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It's the daily talk show. And it is Georgia boys highlights day two. Thank you for joining me.

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I hope you enjoyed yesterday's show. If you haven't listened, we don't really need to go back. You can if you want, start on this one if you want, doesn't make much of a difference. But basically, I'm putting together my highlights of the last 700 episodes. And this is the second day of that.

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The boys probably still sleeping because we have finished it at 24 hour stream. And actually, to be honest, it's Thursday right now, the night before. We're flat out. It's six o'clock here. We're not gonna do the show for another hour and a half. And I'm already exhausted and we haven't even started the 24 hour thing. So let's say having a but um, I think to kick this one off. This is Episode 579. It's a live show, which is awesome. It's a bushfire relief fundraiser. And it's with special guest, Ryan Shelton, who, you know, I love and I can honestly say this conversation, like, changed my life. Sounds extreme, but it was so good to hear someone talking about this sort of thing and and applying it to my own life and bringing hard conversations forward has kind of been the motto of my year since hearing this conversation in January. So I hope you enjoyed this one. This is Brian Shelton, live at the bush fire fundraiser, push fire lay fundraiser. And it's Episode 579. What about like bringing hard conversations for I guess that's an example with Hamish where it was the podcast your podcast that actually prompted you to sit down and say hey, I've actually been feeling this way. Yeah. Do you think we need to be having tougher conversations? Sooner in life. Yeah. Well, I think so. And it's, it's sort of easy for me to say now in a way because I've, I've sort of, I've had one, but I can say, I can say from the experience I've had have, so and I won't go into it too much a lot of people here, listen to the podcast. But yeah, it it was essentially just like a thing that I was feeling in my life where I felt like I wasn't good enough to do the thing that I wanted to do. And I tracked it back to the early days of when we were starting out and we and I you know, Hamish and I were like best mates still are but since high school since we're like 15. And, you know, you start off at the same place as someone and then one person sort of like he both doing the same assignment and one person just gets a bit higher, and then you can't help but compare yourself and we're all you know, it's a bit of an issue at the moment obviously the comparing ourselves to comparing people that are higher than you. I mean, the highest guy in the room except Yeah, now he just not sure myself. Yeah, so it just sort of the ability to have the conversation. Like you said, like, I wouldn't have had the conversation with him that I was

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sorry, I will go into it. So

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because it's annoying otherwise. So I've I've been annoying. Is this a little bit annoying for you? No, no sounds like it's I think, but but it's generally. I was more it was more because I want like, I thought it was a good opportunity for people to listen to the podcast, but I'm happy that you're going into it now. Thank you. So, so essentially, I had this feeling like that I wasn't that I wasn't good enough. And I wasn't. It's not that I didn't think I could achieve things. I thought I could do things but I never felt like I was I just had this feeling this fraudulent feeling of this insecure thing that I was like, well, I can't do the things that many other people are doing. And I tracked it back to this thing of like, well, it's probably because, you know, hi, Michelle and I were same level and then he he rose up and did incredible things. And because then I my reaction to that was like, I want that. I wish I was doing that. And oh shit, why isn't he Why isn't he bringing me along for the ride? Like why isn't he giving me the the same things that he's been given? I saw that is really unfair and then and then because of that, for years I wasn't able to. I wasn't able to, like celebrate the great things he was doing. I wasn't able to like be there as his best might be happy for him when he had the biggest podcast in Australian history and he old I mean, we all know what he's done but and I was sort of off to the side and I couldn't even listen to his radio show their radio show and I couldn't I couldn't be that great night that I would want if I was experiencing that because having that much success and fame of course it's it's it's great and a lot of good things come with But of course, you want your close people with you to be able to support you through what is a pretty strange experience. And I wasn't able to be there for him in that time because I was resentful. And so I had this realisation recently and spoke to him about it. And, and, and it was, it was pretty incredible because you might think that he be like, shocked. But he would he, he felt it like the whole time he was feeling that same thing. He was probably a bit confused as to why, why I wasn't like, getting excited about all the funny things he was doing. And to be able to talk to him and not that we our friendship suffered or anything like that. But there's definitely this weird block via this weird little thing that was unresolved and never spoken about. And to be able to speak about it meant that all those years of confusion and that we had blocked was kind of just just just vanished, sort of because we both understood and then He then said some some things to me that like issues that he had with the way that which I won't go into now, but like it meant it opened up a whole conversation that meant that we could have this, this chat about all the stuff that we haven't said. And now we were already like, yeah, we were already really good friends. And now I just feel like it's just easier. I mean catalysts for these kind of conversations, they're hard and so you could I mean, if you built the muscle of saying I'll have the hard conversation, I'll bring it forward. I mean it takes time and it's only human to keep these things inside but without getting into details you can say what it what was it internally for you that shifted not necessarily you know the day that you decide to have a conversation like that but what is it inside that actually makes you action something that is going to be is really hard thing in life? What what made me do it yeah, what is the Why do you want if your date if you're getting a bit measured about why you decided to do it? Now

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was it just the podcast?

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In my case, it was it was the podcast and it's a it's a, it's a, it's a pretty fucked up, it's pretty fucked up. It's a shame that it took that but. But like, I think that we talk about more shit on our podcasts that we do to our family and friends. But I will say, though that I reckon the fact that I'm doing this podcast which is so out of my comfort zone, and so different than anything I've ever done before. I think there was something there something bigger, probably that that pushed me towards wanting to do that. And this has just been one of the results of that. So I think I'm, I'm learning a hell of a lot about like, I'm absolutely not the expert in mental health at all. And so you've got a co host too. So you have the Resilience Project. Yeah. So Hugh Van collenberg is the founder of the Resilience Project and he's just incredible guy and he does these talks around the country. He's been doing it for years and Just helps thousands and thousands of people. And I met him randomly and we became friends and and now we did this podcast together so he's the he's the expert giving all the so don't worry you're not gonna treat it in the light I'm giving lessons on mental but he is and it's hard I asked it's but it's it's so helpful like I learned a hell of a lot from him and and I know a lot of the people that listen learn a lot as well and he is he does he is able to deliver lessons and talk about things in a way that's quite accessible and and not as dry as maybe sometimes it feels can we all agree that's very annoying that the hard things in life are the things that actually help us progress like it. Yeah, it is really, I think last year for me. I spent I really sort of learned that that doing the shit that's uncomfortable is where you find the growth which it sounds like cliche, and it has for so long, but it's like really embodied That Yeah, is super helpful. So it's like, if that's the hack, which isn't even a hack because it's this painful thing that you have to put yourself through like a conversation with you or a podcast every day with this guy, you know, isn't a bunch of stuff, but it's a great song. Thank you. I don't actually know what these socks are. They're just as good. It's all good socks exam on today. And so we don't have to have an expert explanation for every pair of socks. Well, no, actually, they I got these from my brother's wedding. He was gifted to me, but the I know. But the feeling what like to live vicariously through you. So instead of us having the hard conversation to just tell us what how good it felt. What was the was it all a good feeling? Walk it walking away? Yeah, it was a real it was a real life. It's that feeling? It's a bit of a burden off a bit of a weight off your shoulders. What's the setting? What do you what do you I try and work out how do you have these conversations? It was rude. I'm on Yeah, it was We went we went out for dinner and and yeah, I just said

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okay Nando's.

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What sort of what what basting deal? It was? What's a basting? What's the medium one? It's medium. Yeah, medium. Yeah. Or is it mine? I think it's very confusing. They have sources and paintings and they call a medium for one a mob the other which I should just what do you mean that they don't know consistent in that? Let's get them on the line. Yeah, we could, but so that that feel like, you know when you go out to dinner, she always wants to know what did you Yeah, yeah. I can't even remember we saw you like hey, I need to have like was like, do you eat before the dinner? Yeah, no, I it was just like a normal dinner and then just again, we can Yeah, we got two minutes. And then yeah, I just sort of brought it up at dinner and just yeah, it was it's an awkward conversation but a bit so you sound like so but I've been Thinking, do you didn't have a script, but it was it was just I just sort of said hi. So blah, blah, blah. I'm not gonna do it, but it's actually a podcast so you can listen to it now there wasn't actually a podcast. He was on the podcast, so

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we just finished on this. Yep.

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So you sit down. Yep. But you you don't know that you're having a serious conversation. I know. I know. I know. But haymitch doesn't know. Yeah, yeah. But that sometimes brings up a conversation and the other person's thoughts coming like you know, like, sometimes that happens the transition the transitional point of like, Oh, yeah, I'll have this and that. It's like, hey, so thinking about like for the last 15 years I've been feeling like a little bit resentful. I didn't I didn't that probably would have been that's like the clickbait version. But I was a bit sauce a little than that. Yeah, I'll try first and then yeah, then hidden my good shit. I think it'd be it'd be good to I mean, having those conversations is important, right? And so if someone needs to have a hard conversation in the next two days, they're inspired by your conversation. The story you tell leading up to it heightens obviously, the feeling that you have inside about how it's gonna play out. What some comfort for somebody or is there nothing. Well, what I did what I did honestly think afterwards and often we because of course, it's hard starting once you're into it, it's, it's, it's easier. And once you finish it, it's obviously easier again, and it depends what it is obviously, but it's kind of hard to give a sweeping statement because everyone's different, but in my situation, it wasn't as big of a deal as, as I built it up to be I think that's the that that problem when you kind of think something over and over and you analyse it over and over, even if it's just over Die. But when it happened that 15 years you think, whoa, and but the thing is I wasn't even thinking about it for 15 years, I was just only thinking about it for a year. Yeah, because I didn't have the realisation till then So, but then the conflict people can have is, it's probably not gonna be as big of a shock to the other person as you think it's gonna be Yeah, this next little bit is from Episode 62. And they have a conversation about only doing the podcast for a short amount of time, clearly they've kept going every day. But it's interesting to say them at the start of their journey, talking about how long they should do this thing for. Also, they talk about this screen time and this was only, you know, a couple of years ago and their screentime compared to now is so much less. If you heard any of the live episodes they're doing, you know, on their on Instagram for like four or five hours a day. even longer. Josh, I think it was up to like 10 hours one day, but um, so it's interesting to hear them talking about how much time they're spending on their phone. Back then they thought it was too much of wonder what they think right now. So here we go. Episode 62 To be honest, I'd be happy first to get to 100 episodes of this podcast. Yeah, and fucking colon die. Yeah. Seriously, like, hundred of anything? Yeah, you damage 100 times by 30 minutes. It's 3000 minutes of talking, where we're coming in 3000 minutes of talking is exceptional. Yeah. And and then it's working out like the next iteration, right? Because then it means that it's like you've oiled up whatever it is to do the next thing. I do wonder it's almost like the dip, which is Seth Golden's theory and book which is like, you get to a point. And so say it's that 100 episodes maybe that's the dip. Maybe it's when we're like not seeing any growth like, we've had the same amount of audience for the last 50 episode, whatever it is. And so we stop, however, yeah, the hundred and 10th episode is when thing fucking go bang. Yeah. And so I think that that's definitely the You know, when is the last When is the last Seinfeld at when's the right time to do the last Seinfeld episode? When's the last time? I remember lonely man is billion dollar. Well like rove live I remember when rove was a thing and just being like when that ended, it was a big deal. Yeah. And when Hamish and Andy decided to finish the radio show like all of these things, john Farnham decided to leave for the seventh time, you know, his career, like Yeah, totally. It's nothing fucking I want to make more videos. And I feel like this gets in the way of that, but maybe doesn't. I reckon I've created more videos this year than I did last year. Yeah. And I've also done 62 episodes of a podcast. Yeah, so if if I know the exclusive This is getting in the way a video is bullshit because I'm more creative in my mind. And, you know, and the skills I'm getting from talking Yeah, you know, on a podcast is a lot and because it's like What would you do if you weren't doing this? Right? The thing is like this is what this is probably eating into right now for me is just lazing time. I'll just be lazy around. And so

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and it's the difficult it is that thing of like, it's a, it's like running because you know, I'm a runner now. So it's three days in three days, in three days a day. It's it's the, it's the whole thing where it's like, when I'm when I'm running, it's like, it's a little bit painful. It's a little bit annoying. But I'm like, if I actually it's only 20 minutes of my life. And so why do we think about what you would give? Like, if I look at my phone right now, and I look at the last 24 hours, I can tell you how much time I have spent on different apps, right? And so if we, if we just look at if we purely Look at that, and then it really should put in perspective some of those other things right like going to my battery Here we go. battery usage last 24 hours. I've spent 1.2 hours on Instagram in the last seven days. I've spent 6.9 hours so basically an hour every day on the fucking app. I've spent the last seven days I've spent over nine hours on my phone I sorry, on the phone like calling people so you look at all these things, dude. Instagram for me last 24 hours yeah 24 minutes. That's good. What was yours an hour and a half an hour 1.2 my biggest one was email 27 minutes. Last 24 hours. Yeah youtube. 24 minutes. Phone One hours of spent on the phone. Yeah, go to your last seven days. Everyone if you just go into the battery section of your iPhone, it tells you all these details on the battery use four hours in the last seven days on Instagram fact and I've spent seven hours we're spending double the amount of time and then what do you got on YouTube? I don't I hardly use my phone for YouTube. What's the next thing? The next thing for me is phone at nine hours. And then it goes down to fucking like Chrome which is only 1.3 hours one hour on my email. 25 minutes on Google Maps faced Facebook gets back and hardly any time really how much time do you three in the last seven days? Yeah, mine's 54 minutes spending less time on Facebook than newer. Fact Facebook can go faster. You get a you get an issue. This is one of my favourite episodes. It's number 413 Live from the salad missing. Seven is bleaching his hair blonde. It's all happening we got multi camera set up, right over Tula is doing it and she is the number one hair colorist in the country. This was all organised Of course by Queen gronk Gemma watts and of course she had to come along and be in the show. So you get two EPS Jim that's pretty good. You gotta be happy with that really fun episode live from the salon with Rachel, Petula. And Mr. 97, bleaching his hair. quick check in with Mr. 97. He's got a mark in his hand. Yeah, feeling great. It's good. It just, it just feels like there's a bit of paste on my head. I had a moment where I was like, there is no turning back. Right. I was thinking that just before there is no turning back.

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You can always change it back to his natural colour

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for another 540

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do you have to I believe my brother when we were kids did that but he had to die at Red before he went to brown or black. Is that a thing?

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When I was in high school, and I had a lot of friends that went from blonde to brunette, that was essentially the way to go. But now with technology of colour as long as you read positive pigment that was lost when lightning in your colour, if that makes sense. So, to me it does, yeah. So there's three stages of lightning, really depending on how dark you are naturally. so in this situation here, the first colour that eat that will appear is red, then it'll go to orange, and then it'll go to yellow, interesting, and then we counteract that turn once we get it to the lightest level possible. That's the name of the game today. So essentially, when you're going DACA, you have to re put those pigments back in, in order for it to not look green, or blue or CAC, so that CAC back like that carry on cannoli

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is CAC the colour of soda.

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Top. Yeah, yeah. So You do have to re put that pigment into your colour when you go back to your natural, but it doesn't necessarily have to be that two stage process like it used to

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do you always say we're not doing this? Yeah.

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Yeah, I cannot stress to you enough how?

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I mean, and we're also like the carpet at the office is gonna be fine. Oh, yeah. TJ was what like Tommy was worried about like, if we spilled a little bit on the carpet, that's a fly

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dress. I was in Sydney and I

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had no involvement with then I am listening and then oh, we'll have to get Gemma and I think she's in Sydney at the moment. And I'm like, hang on. I didn't put my hand down. Yeah,

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we nearly did it in the garage for about with

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Joey, do we have to put toner in this no matter what do you always end by putting toner in in a scalp lining session?

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Not necessarily. Really. What does it mean? Oh,

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If you're getting cavities between the other what was the other one? Yeah. Thinking about is folliculitis. Let's be honest, you mentioned

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I've just said the F word.

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I just woke up this morning. And my first thought was just, this is a whole morning of folliculitis. Yeah,

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well, it's not about Josh or me today. It's about

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Jim and Rachel. Yeah. And so, um, I believe we

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did have a scout related question, but

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I mean, do right, you know, you're not a dermatologist, but have you heard of folliculitis? And do you know, anything that you can do to help it? No, okay. It's sort of like a pimple a thing on you. It's like pimples. Oh, it's actually like infection of the scalp surface, dude. So it's not a pimple. You got a pimple? Yes. It's been on the scalp specifically. I mean, it's a little bit like that, I guess. But it's there is some form of element that antibiotics can be helpful. Yeah. Which is antibiotics for bacteria, bacterial, fungal infection. Yeah. And I always think I've got a son. He's two and a half years old. He goes to daycare. And I'm a cool dad. I mean, I didn't have to say because you said it.

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I didn't hate it. But I'm glad you said it before.

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Neat needs lice. Oh, no. Like, I always think majan when you deal with hair, right? Like, have you seen them before?

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Yeah, yeah. And I've had it multiple times.

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Yeah, I've had them as an adult.

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The cleaner the head.

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turned around. Don't actually just wipe it off. I was just gonna kill waivable rode microphones. We're so sorry. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. Why are you sniffing it? smelling it to say here, but so you? Have you ever had someone come in and you've just looked at their hair and you've gone our da?

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Yeah, but the hard thing is now we As hairdressers in this industry, we actually can't refuse service when a person comes in with headlights, can't you Really? So because it's kind of like, do you have to charge extra vacation and stuff? Really? Yeah. So what we have to do is still complete the service, let the client know that they've got head loss and that it needs to be traded and then we have to disinfect, disinfect everything

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could you do ever say it up front so that they out of their own sort of options, they actually know what well I think a lot of is hot, like you see something wrong like that and you kind of you feel awkward about bringing it up for them. And so you kind of make it again goes back to yourself because you're not wanting to feel

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you try to not make it like it's an issue because it's a fucking issue.

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Because it's not like someone will get sick from it or anything like that. So we just let Know the correct way to treat

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it. I'm saying the colour it's it's coming out it's coming out

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with people who have this I don't want to use the word clueless

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but I wasn't expecting to be able to say I would expect that we would wash it off and then you actually see like just brand colour no no no no How about I pray you think they were washing the brown out?

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How about we get an update from Rachel What's happening?

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So when you can say oh, I don't know what you guys can probably say. See right off his scalp is slightly lighter than what it is on the very ends Yeah, so naturally ahead, releases a lot of hate. So about that much of the root area will always lift further and faster than the hair on the rest of the head. Which is why I like to lighten all the way through on shorter hair. So we are getting really good lift, but I can tell by lift is the colour not Yeah,

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really well, it looks like I can tell this is gonna need to process under like a Hate Machine

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really with a little. With a little prompting, you'll come out.

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Right? Are you single? Yes. For a single woman, you know, how

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am I much is how much they like to tell me.

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Look, I'm a married man with a kid. It's like I just the only reason he's married with a kid is so we can

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know but if you saw a young strapping man that

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ain't Hey, what what's your thoughts?

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Um, as in like the end result he's gonna have

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I mean, say you nail it. And you see him walking down the street. You're like, is that Adam vain? No, it's just some other guy. But is it appealing or is it going crazy? She's sort of it's a paid dating capabilities.

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Yeah, hundred percent. I think that's why created this amazing colour. It will as he's walking down the street, a lot of women will be like, Oh, he takes pride in the way he looks. You know, he really tries. Yeah. And I think that's really important because

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I think that's a brand value that you stand by 97 which is you do try? Yeah. So just finishing off the breath. He'll be the guy. I mean, he's young. Now. He's 19. But when he's that 35 year old bloke, he will be the friend to us that has it together. Yeah. And it's just taken over like, he's super anyway. This is another really funny episode. It's number 633 with Dave Thornton. And I love these ones. You know, you get a really good insight into what JJ was like, back in his early 20s when he was working at the radio station. It's just really funny to listen to. You should listen to the whole episode because at the end, they start calling Josh an alien because he's, you know, he doesn't. He's asking weird questions and stuff, but this is a snippet from the start of the episode. Just kind of reminiscing The radio dies. So this is number 633. with Dave Thorne he's I love this. Because JJ told me we unfortunately have worked together in NA commercial radio. We could we cross paths in the same business. Yeah. But JJ similar paid paychecks. I think we're on why we had such report. It was, it was just cigarettes. It was. We just got off a packet, as I said, enjoy. But JJ used to be around and I've forgotten about this, that you have so much knowledge in some areas and in absolute knowledge. Your knowledge is like if it's a roof, there's any support in one corner. It's very fragile. It's like a top. It's bent to fall. I've always enjoyed so much the thing the blind spots in your eyes, he gets in so much trouble because I know it's been your show meetings.

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But I still love it. I'll be like, let him talk. Did you work on this show? Yeah.

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Can you just lay there throwing stuff around Yeah, and that was because fan tools just didn't have time for it. It's like, I feel like Sam Kevin's main job was like, performance managing me. And so anyway, I would go into you're doing Mamma mia Mamma mia today with Mr. Oceana and that would just let me think women's issues. And so, before we knew what it was goes, and you would you would let me and just like, it'd be like Josh, what do you think? That's fucking great. I think it was because you only had like half a producer or something. Well, then it was a great producer but then like, wait, we just have a producer as and she was only putting half a tie. No they resourced and the half of their time. So yeah, that's what I was saying. No, Zoe's not a producer watches for me. You're treading on thin ground, JJ. No, but it was such a strange anomaly that show because I get it. They wanted to get mums listening because it was between three and four. Memory said there would be moms in the cast picking up kids. But then I and I wanted to jump on the back of Mamma mia the website. But then they had the old school commercial radio thing of like one girl, one guy put them together. Funny guy was gonna do some stuff. But then you're running from MMA, which is a great website, but it talks to some really heavy handed. Yes. So they're like, you know, like that, like talking about auto nine, like six workers in developing countries and how we can how young girls are getting groomed, what I'm going to talk about, and I'm a Canadian, like, Josh has done something fun. Guy, please, can we just not talk about this serious issue on a commercial radio? Yeah, we had. We had a lot of fun. Actually. I remember a specific time where Jules was asking me to do something. I said, Man, I don't have time. He said you just spent three hours with Dave because we had fun. Yeah. Cool. And then that show turned into an The out the evening show did that turn into another show you did you move from that show to another show? Come with you. I wanted him to I was always impressed somehow, like 15 jewels would go overseas to London or something and it just was coming with this. Well, it was hard. I'm it was on. I was on a different flight to them, which was weird. Everyone was going on one flight now was on the other one. And I also brought my they were like, they didn't have cameras. I'm like, Hey, guys, I've bought like four GoPros I'm ready. And so they let me but actually when I was quitting To be honest, it's not when you shouldn't have been on the trip. And now you've been put on a budget airline.

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And Jules actually used his points to get you on that flight.

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Imagine he would

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he was the extra 20 kilogrammes.

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jumped on it. That's why he got so slim. Get on the flood. But when I quit, do you remember when I was quitting writing I was like, I decided on a day and I was like, behind the radio station pacing. Yes. And you rocked up in your mini you were doing like you were going home or whatever, and I waved you down on a motivational speech. You would I don't recognise you Well, why not the first person to be walking that block? That block is gone. What have I done with my life? Like I don't want to cast aspersions on the people behind us. But you know, at at SCI day, they got the two radio stations on Fox FM and they got triple and below them. And then behind it, there is commission Platts, as you know, so I thought we're gonna say the best performing radio station out of the mall, which is Kohl's radio and good luck it was brought upstairs now, we'd prefer to my catalogue. That's like the number one digital radio station in Australia. They're in the same chats or the same system. ranking system as well. Exciting, right? Is that right? Well, I don't guess it was. There's something going on here. Yeah. So I think the from a survey point of view, they look at the digital stuff. And because Kohl's, Kohl's worked out that it was cheaper for them from a licencing perspective, to have their own digital radio station, then it was to pay the PPC ca app for licences per store. So they just play their own radio station. But if you have a look 97 que se there. It was always a funny thing in shepparton, we would hear the calls radio going in my mouth, and I were like, yes, someone from regional radio is gonna, you know, he was a joke that you're going to be on the calls, right? Yeah. next minute, there was a girl who worked regional radio that was on calls, right? Yeah. Up to the big. Well, we thought it was a step dammit. Yeah, as we know now it's a step. Are you finding anything than Shepperton? That's true. Actually, they've gone self serve on the radio as well. That's incredible. So what was the space? What did you tell him? Do you remember the day? I just remember you saying like my hand when I was in niver in Queens, that dude over in Queensland, Brisbane, Brisbane, yeah. Which is Queensland. Thank you. Yeah, very good. Specific regional. City. caps it nice. So it looked like I was going to the site now. I just remember you just said, Yeah, might have done this before you should go out, do it. Just I know. You don't have another job. That doesn't matter. And so you were the one that pushed me and so after that conversation, I went upstairs, typed in resignation letter template, filled it out. I printed it out and gave it to Dave Cameron and a half an hour after speaking to Thorne Oh, Bree, I spoke to Bray on the phone boys. I don't do it. Like I'm waiting until I get a job before I do it. And then the one I just gave me the confidence. And then he was my sponsor job for you.

Unknown Speaker 34:55
Still on the content meetings.

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All right, one more red car get paid. So that's what I was told. Oh, not 13 1060 Yeah. Do you need a cape cap? If you can't afford one? Yeah. No, I did say to you, because you were at that age. Well, I would have been 22. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Now you just know anything at 22. Yeah, that's exactly exactly what you do. Because you just go go go see stuff, go do things go answer that question. Because otherwise it's, you're still there. You're still there. And somehow you're in marketing, and your potential, and you have a good redundancy package by now like turning into OBS and you putting the songs out the sandwich board, guys. If you have no responsibility, that's the age. Yes, you'd be able to do it. That's exactly right. It was a good decision. Did you travel when you're young? Yeah. 22 year old? Yep. I'm trying to think I because I grew up Joe long. I worked as a graphic designer up here in Thornbury. Nice to draw that every day. It's like an hour and a half. That's a lot of code right here to fill. On Bri Tina. Yeah, it was a bit so you went from Joe long. Yeah, it's I'm trying to work out yeah drive every day. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And then to see what I could save money so I can go backpacking and I went for two years or something. I should that's a good thing. Yeah, it was a UK so much fun. Let me guess. Yeah, yeah. Finally Has anyone done it before does anyone So how long did you bite? Let me guess you base yourself in the UK and then flew out to other places or not I base myself in Dublin. So I mean, close our eyes. But yes, and then I worked in the Greek islands for like a summer good. What did you do there? picked up a lot of diseases I was make gianopolous frequenting making off at that point. Did you say me? Yeah, yes. That's that's what I used to do. Just I had a whole new thing that just went don't let that

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the king of making

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next chat is from Episode 616. It's awakened Banta and it's with two of our favourite drunks pay to ship it and scooter Derek. Peter Shepherd is a coach. If you didn't Know that you should really listen to all of his episodes. You know, he asked some really interesting questions and get you thinking about business and creativity and the why in what you do. And scooter Derek is really good friend of the show who helps out a lot. He's got his own podcast business, and we pick it up here when they're running through a little bit of a workshop. So this is Episode 616. with Peter shepherd and skidded, Eric, when we decided to collab and I hadn't done this. I remember that feeling of ringing ringing him up saying, Danny, I'm really sorry, I just made arbitrary decision. And I'm accustomed to ever having to talk to anyone about that probably why I've been travelling my wife a lot of the time, because that is a collab I guess, but I'm just confirming it is. But yeah, there was that moment when I realised I just decided to go and, you know, try out some advertising thing and put the money in and he's like, ah, Don't worry about it. I'll give you half the money. That's the good side of collabing someone else is wearing their distress and stuff like that. So I learned from that, that it is lovely to have someone else who cares. I'm involved in something really nice. And so why don't you do more of that jealous of you too?

Unknown Speaker 38:19
Oh, you can do it your way. collabing right, doing stop bickering. And then yeah, yes. But what's it like? If you were to do more colour? collabing What would that look like? No, it's not my natural thing. So is it not natural? Because you can't rely on people?

Unknown Speaker 38:39
I don't know. I guess if I look at the idea I've got for this ad studio too. Mm hmm. And I go, alright, what do I need off someone else? Someone who's keen who wants to get into it? Is it someone who's gonna Mackin and build or someone just forks out some cash? Like what? What do I want out of someone? Yeah, what's up? Like what's collaborating? I gotta make it three times better. Yeah. What's what's the So what's the full fee? Why why a collaborator? How does that help us go? I just want to do something that is a collab, you know? I've been loving it. Yeah. But I don't know, zoom or Zoom Room and a collab room. Yeah. So I find the collab thing interesting because I get it. Because it's very hard to collaborate with someone, you need to do a lot of work internally in understanding what you want. But also, like, you can't change your idea, I can't. When you're doing it on your own, you can just go from one area to the other. You can like be extremes and just do whatever you want. When you're collaborating with someone. Everything like the biggest amount of tension I have is the annoyance of 100 explain myself, which I normally don't have to explain myself, but that's a good thing to go through. Is that part of it? So if you asked for money, what are people going to ask you? within you, if someone If someone says, or I'll be in there, I've got dough, and no talent, then you kind of go. Let's leave that to the last minute and see if I can get through because you're not going to provide anything since taking half the profit, I guess. And then you think well, is half the profit if something's that's done properly and invested in properly, it's going to be more should be more than double. You know what I mean? So it should help when I had the bar. That was the last time I was in, like, the only time I was in a business with someone was in business, the two other guys and they couldn't get along, because they had completely different dreams. So it was a complete disaster. And maybe that was, what were the different dreams. Well, one of my business partners was he wanted he wanted the bar to be like St. Jude. He wanted to be a wine but he wanted to be the kind of bar that he would go to and just be really proud of, but that would have required us all to chuck in 150 grand each None of us had any money. So it was like, so number one your dream. Fuck it off. I save it for another day. But and the other one the other business partner risked his soul. He's gone now. But he was he liked the idea of just having a buyer and serving carton draft and being rude to people that wanted a coffee and you know that old school because it came from that old vibe. And what did you want? Well, I was kind of in the middle. I want a personality I wanted to, you know, to make the place where everyone was happy, in which case that favoured the cotton draft guy. And but they couldn't get along because it was like, well, we couldn't run this bar without them without Andrew, right? Being manager every day, unpaid or whatever, you know, just as a shareholder. Yeah. And turning up every single day because we can't afford to pay anyway, in the end. It kind of worked out like Andrew and I ended up let's buy. Let's buy Dave out. Right. It's not gonna work. He's unhappy that we bought him out for virtually nothing, released him, and then and then sold the business. I feel like we're getting closer to your definition of success screwed. So there's nothing out of it that a question that I think JJ answered really well, this morning in the workshop that we ran, that'd be curious for your thoughts on. So I just transfer the $10 million.

Unknown Speaker 42:24
Now you have no excuse around time and money. You're living in a world with no constraints. What are you going to do

Unknown Speaker 42:31
tomorrow or in the next few weeks? So what are you going to do with your time once you buy your holiday house? And once you've got the material stuff, original, sweet and do with the time? Yeah. Yeah, I think I would.

Unknown Speaker 42:45
I probably, it feels like I would run with the same plan. Hmm, that's good. But in a building that I owned,

Unknown Speaker 42:54
and, obviously, much better. But I don't know if I can only even own a building. Can you make it too meal.

Unknown Speaker 43:06
So there's no mention of collaborators in that vision of the future. So I wonder if there's something there around you being attached to this idea of a collaboration, when you're not actually clear in that, whether that's what you're seeking. But just because we get to watch Tommy Joshua, that looks cool. Yeah. Well, they are. That is, surely that would put me straight into another mind bending situation where you go, if someone wanted to collaborate with you, after they knew you had $20 million. Yeah, right. Even though you'd already spent six on a warehouse. Then you'd start with that kind of gold dig of feel and you go, I don't know how my mind would go from there. We'll never know. Yeah, but I definitely would they be people around. This is not my dream would not be to be in a warehouse, tinkering with all my millions and making it perfect. Then I would, I guess it ends up being stuffed. Isn't it? Well, yeah, so there's a different way, when you've got, well, this is what we've been talking about the difference between employees and having a partnership. They're very different employees, I can tell 97 I think we should do this. And he can push back a little bit, but at the end of the day, he's does what we think we should do. Yeah. Tommy and I, it's like, okay, no, like, we bring, we have to sell it into each other, we have to justify it. And so there's a big difference between having staff, having people come in and use your space versus having a partner I think, do you think that you could use seeking a partner Are you seeking that employ a team that can execute on a dictatorship. It just feels like a bit much to have to at this stage of life to have to be, especially if I was rolling with a multimillion dollar business then it would be a bit much didn't have to be an expert at accounting, an expert at cinematography and expert at audio. You just have to load people in, you have to take have a team and then learn off them. Love that, that that idea learning off your staff. That's I think, back in the in the 90s. I had a manufacturing business and I'd learnt all my blacksmithing skills off my staff. There is a fair point though, I guess the question is like, can you collaborate with an employee? I think you can. Yeah. Well, I think that that's the whole co creation thing. Right. But that's the new joke joked about the dictatorship because it's very much like when we're working with 97 He is giving us the he's telling us this is how I think we should do it. Yeah. But it is that there's definitely a difference in the the different dynamics totally. And what did you find secure to having staff are you a bit burned by that? Do you think that all these sort of experiences play into where you are now?

Unknown Speaker 46:04
Or can the one of the biggest mistakes you can make is making a vow? I'm failing never to do this or never to do that. It's very good. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 46:16
This next episode I want to throw back to is number 512. And it's with Matt D. Avella and his wife Nat. The boys are in LA. And they're talking about their experience trying edibles. Matt is obviously a very successful filmmaker, and he's been on the show many many times. And he's conversations about creativity and, and making videos are really awesome. And you should listen to those. The reason I picked this one is because it's, it's about the boys leaning into something that is out of their comfort zone and talking about their experiences while travelling overseas. So this is a funny one. This is a 512 we decided that we'll try edibles do so in California. How long has it been legal for?

Unknown Speaker 47:01
beginning of last year? Right? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 47:04
Because the thing is I'm not someone I've never smoked in my life. I've never done drugs in my life. And so this what it felt like it was safe enough based on sort of the whole med men thing and it's all nice and easy. Do you find that the barrier to entry means that more people are potheads that you wouldn't normally a shame.

Unknown Speaker 47:25
I feel like the pothead stereotype has kind of like disintegrated a little bit just because it's so normalised. Yeah, so I mean, you're right. There's more people like experiencing like, especially when they're like in cute little gummy bears, like

Unknown Speaker 47:46
pretzel ones.

Unknown Speaker 47:48
Yeah, but like, I don't think that there's this Yeah, there's an association with like, Oh, you don't have your life together.

Unknown Speaker 47:54
When I was like January when it just became legal recreationally in In California, the only this year

Unknown Speaker 48:04
so it's 20. January. That's what

Unknown Speaker 48:06
Yes, I was right here. almost two years ago. Any girl can have it.

Unknown Speaker 48:10
Yeah. Any gronk down the street. Yeah. And then, so we flew home after vacation in New Jersey. And then we get to California and I'm driving past med men, which is a shot that you guys went to a very popular weed shop. It's like the Apple store of pot library for madmen and you drive past I've drove past it a line wrapped around the block like crazy. And I think that that was like kind of people's initial, like it's illegal now. So everybody's really into it and wants to go and try and get weed and like have the experience of it. But I think that for most people that don't smoke weed, they're not gonna go out of their way to get it. It's probably still for most people just gonna be at every once in a while thing. I don't think it's probably turned too many people over to like,

Unknown Speaker 48:57
when you do it, like Do you find that I can't He's like so I started I've started drinking and it's like a red wine on a Friday night. He's something is doing edibles. Is that like a Sunday thing?

Unknown Speaker 49:10
I feel like it's similar to what you're explaining. But correct me if you disagree, I feel like it's a wellness moment. Like it's your Granger's. Okay, but not in the morning. In the morning you might have it like anywhere else maybe on the weekends, it's just the

Unknown Speaker 49:21
CBD or is this the like, have you done? Ah, say, which is like the bit that makes me I think actually.

Unknown Speaker 49:31
We, we, I mean, I don't smoke a whole lot. I think it's like, whether you like doing it or not. And the difficult thing about marijuana is that you build up a tolerance to it. So I have like smoked frequently in the past. And like when you're smoking every day, or maybe like three to five times a week you build up a tolerance but also like, it's more enjoyable because you're used to it. But then like if you don't smoke much at all, and I if I smoke like once every other month, you just get stoned. Yeah handle it. And it's not a great it's not good. I don't love it. I don't know I don't smoke bait do it consistently, consistently it has a different feeling.

Unknown Speaker 50:09
Yeah, do it every now and then you get to biked. I prefer alcohol. I prefer Yeah, well, it's less intense. So that's nice, casual, we had some gummies and these things look like little squares, and we only took half, which was five milligrammes because you variance to one, you felt that you needed to sort of be across the whole situation. I was looking after my babies. Yeah, my boys and you need one responsible person and

Unknown Speaker 50:41
they say Actually, I was doing some radios like the experience one. Like they should always be someone who's done it before so they get the feeling you need to know how they're feeling. You like

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to expect

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what you're explaining is like you don't like there's something about The first time you do it, and you're entering into this unusual world that you've never experienced these kind of feelings before, right? And so that can scare you. Like people can get fucking scared shitless I wasn't scared though.

Unknown Speaker 51:13
When your kid turns like 16 or 18 will Would you let them smoke weed and or would you do it with them?

Unknown Speaker 51:21
I don't know yet say I smoked weed with my mates dad like 12 assuming like, I would never do that. It seems like a line. 18

Unknown Speaker 51:30
is a fella. Maybe Maybe there is a development of the brain, though to where you should be at a certain age before you know definitely. I mean, where's the grown man doing edibles? You know? Yeah, for the first time for me in America.

Unknown Speaker 51:45
I didn't pass my peak. I'm not getting any smarter. So

Unknown Speaker 51:51
I lent into it. So we were saying people today and I was like telling them about the experience. And I was wondering, is that one of those things where some people could look down at it like do you feel that? Is it something people hide? Or could you be talk to your employer if you're working somewhere and could just talk about it freely?

Unknown Speaker 52:09
So what's interesting is when I have felt like looked down on and it's by other Australians who haven't experienced the culture here that's adapted very quickly to embracing and normalising

Unknown Speaker 52:24
I can imagine I reckon we'll look back on this and I was doing we filmed us doing it last night. Is it like it was a weird time like this is still a weird thing. This is why we're so fascinated with it. Because in Australia, the the stoner mentality like that what you're saying was,

Unknown Speaker 52:38
they were actually actively trying to negate that when when the laws switched, and you actually saw a madman that stole talking about before actually putting up billboards where they cancelled out the word starring Ah, and they like it was like a really like

Unknown Speaker 52:49
loner.

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Trying to put a new twist to it just became

Unknown Speaker 53:07
they replaced it with like athlete or doctor and like they're trying to say that like people just smoke weed and

Unknown Speaker 53:13
it doesn't define you

Unknown Speaker 53:18
oh my god they're coming to a rescue for them.

Unknown Speaker 53:22
And so when it comes to actually buying marijuana What do you guys and also like from a joint like a couple experience with you remember the first time you did gummies we're not like we're not like stoners we don't smoke a lot of weed. So like How many times have we gone like maybe four,

Unknown Speaker 53:41
four or five, four or five? Really inexperienced? Like I would say like Wade culture isn't very big in Australia. But

Unknown Speaker 53:48
what does mama say back home? Oh shoot

Unknown Speaker 53:59
interesting I'll be interested to see how that yeah in in like the madman store like there I remember you get you got very excited about the one wall because it's all like different creative like not the iPad but it's like different creative like drops and gummies there's like 100 different like an apothecary like it was like Oh this is so like all this stuff is marketed in the way that yeah

Unknown Speaker 54:24
yeah I've done a good job. Yeah, really

Unknown Speaker 54:28
the guy who was looking after us he was like, now you need to set your own sane QC set you're saying like you're in control and also thing and so like in the video of us I was looking at it last night I was like, I think I've sent the wrong

Unknown Speaker 54:46
feeling it

Unknown Speaker 54:49
the way it played out last night for people following along because we put up some Instagram stories and people are very curious to know what happened.

Unknown Speaker 54:57
I had it and within 30 minutes I was laughing my ass. Josh on the other hand stiffened out like a, like a wooden board. I was I was his arms crossed, because I was like okay they're high why on I high? There was a there was a funny moment where I sort of were missing ice everyone was like no you are hi you I got really excited

Unknown Speaker 55:30
and then I and so then I started getting like a bit paranoid that you were so transfixed on not being where we were that that was your hi I was like you're so in that saying I was just transfixed on laughing and then I got transfixed on you being so down about not being pull you out of your day because then you're like, Oh, my phone No, no, I think I don't think Josh is the right one for me to get high with you because I put I recognised pulled him out, and he pulled me out. And so I'm just like worried that Josh is like, he's actually losing

Unknown Speaker 56:08
fight where Tommy hit the gummies and I got very upset about it. I went to bed. And then I got into FaceTime. I told you that I'm just, I'm actually fucking angry.

Unknown Speaker 56:23
And then missing 97 was going into bed too. And then I was just like, Man, it's just doesn't feel fair. And I felt like a bit sucky. And so I was like, you need to tell like tell me that. I'm in bed. And then I hear this on the floorboards walking and then Mr. Nice seven opens the door guy. He's like, man, Josh is really upset.

Unknown Speaker 56:46
He wants more. What can I say? Just before I said, Dude, don't you see that? The fact he's so upset about not being where we are, you're creating a stories and why he's actually really high. He's nice. He was like, Oh, dude,

Unknown Speaker 57:03
I was so convinced of it and then

Unknown Speaker 57:06
he's Oh, dude, that's my mind cuz why if you were sober you just say, Hey, dude, I'm not hike. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 57:12
I felt like I was doing but the other thing I was trying was I was like, tell me what it felt like he was like Nah, man, you're resisting, you're resisting. So then I was like, being silly on purpose to try and put me in that state. So the guys were like, yeah, if you weren't high, why did you put a box like a Lacroix box on your head?

Unknown Speaker 57:35
Yeah, just like Dude, there's a line. And Josh usually comes to here and then there's all these little things. And that's why it's like it's not always the same for everybody the feeling I believe you guys are 30 years old.

Unknown Speaker 57:48
Let's go back now to Episode 426 with author and go to founder Zoe foster Blake. This is such an awesome chat. I talk about copywriting business. branding, writing books that we pick it up here where they're talking about her relatable content that she puts out. So this is number 426 with Zoey foster black. My wife's comment about your content because I asked her she's not just coming to me, she says she's content made with a fresh eye catcher. She says it's very relatable. And I think that from what it sounds like comes from you thinking about what is going on in your head and personally, that's our best shot at relating with somebody else's talking about what's going on. For us one of the most relatable pieces of content on your Instagram is your bit about cold sores.

Unknown Speaker 58:42
Oh, man. Yeah, I know I grew up

Unknown Speaker 58:44
I've got no problem we've been the cold so queen. Oh my I T who's the cultural King Michael jacket, my brother. Oh jacket. Oh my God should say the family photo album. It's nearly every photo of the kids get a cold sore. And I got them and I just and this is so unrelatable for you Josh cuz you don't

Unknown Speaker 59:01
It's just you know the people that just do that.

Unknown Speaker 59:04
are you discussing one so discriminate? It's hard it is but it's full on

Unknown Speaker 59:11
like a little pimple that I thought

Unknown Speaker 59:14
like, Oh, you know, the corner of the mouth now you just that's just alone Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 59:20
Orange Juice no problem that

Unknown Speaker 59:22
by the way was I was putting other things on it you need to put a bit of cortisone cortisone cream on there on the corner. Yep. Because you've got like if you're eating bad food and you go to unleaded petrol I believe.

Unknown Speaker 59:35
Growing up I remember it was such a such a I remember I won't go to school because of cold so it's funny in the social death, it was the worst as I've gotten older, I almost embrace them if I get them I'm like, Whatever. I'm on the lips.

Unknown Speaker 59:53
mom used to kiss me on the lips because she knew that will make me feel when she's I eat Okay, darling little peck on the lips. I mean, so then that was Yeah, very Reliable pace. That's very sweet.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:01
of call. Yeah, I mean, I yeah. Well, they they plagued my whole high school career. And I had one for the longest few years ago on a sort of my worst nightmare that on a wedding day. And as most people know, now that we've talked about it, we're bound to get one. Yeah, but I know what works because I, unfortunately, I live and I work in an industry where I'm not allowed to have a bad skin day. And people often if they meet me, they're like, Oh, I do my makeup extra night tonight. I'm like, No, you look beautiful. But I know that you're scrutinising me because I'm the one who's going there going. Hey, everyone, let's have great skin. Yeah, um, so yeah, but I was just like, I don't have time for causes I have to fix and I do believe that I have. And I put it in highlights because everyone keeps asking.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:45
Yeah, I mean,

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fix being the fan via

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take the antiviral tablet s AP like I always have them on me and then they compete patches. Yeah, don't take them off. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:00:56
just put it right back on sorry. unrelated Right

Unknown Speaker 1:01:04
yeah, absolutely so the

Unknown Speaker 1:01:07
you were talking about the scrutiny of people looking at your face or whatever.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:12
It's not scrutinised certainly is too strong a word but you know, I think that's the that's what's gonna happen to people you said I did say that note for me to leave, you're gonna put yourself out there and tell people what to do with their life in their face. And yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:01:26
I'm a personal trainer. You know that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. to the hairdresser. Yeah. And dress. Yeah, I mean, my hairdresser is bald. Yeah. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 1:01:35
dealing with this

Unknown Speaker 1:01:37
type of person pressure off does Yeah, there is something that is there anything in life that you typically undersell and over deliver, deliver on, like real? Like, you know, it's a specific question, but I know when I was a kid, as a freelancer, I was the hype King being like, I don't have a team Monday and Thursday. Locked up, you know? I mean, are you good with deadlines in that way? Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:01
Well to write a book, you have to be good at deadlines, although they mean that the stereotype is that we're not. And I'm, I am one of those people who can have internal deadlines that I can stick to. And I've actually for the first time in my life in 10, over 10 years I've gone off contract with my books. And I do that deliberately because I wanted to write fiction again for the joy of it and the love of it. With no, no marketing skills.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:29
Is that an upholder? Is that what? Yeah, yeah, I think I am. What's nice. What's the value there so that you hold? Does anyone know? Yeah, it's the the four tendencies by Gretchen Rubin is a Gretchen Rubin. Yeah. But I think that it's like one of those things. If I'm a boy, yeah, I'm the one that like will do do stuff. I'll say yes. And then I'll get really annoyed about it. And I'll push back on it, but then I'll do it. Anyway.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:57
Y'all be annoyed. Oh, I think this code resentment

Unknown Speaker 1:03:03
So for me, I think it's like I don't like to say anything that I want to do. And so and then

Unknown Speaker 1:03:09
I feel like that's a good thing to

Unknown Speaker 1:03:11
do. But But what I realised in a business partnership is that's not Joshua's value necessarily. We've all got our own set of values right and so it's like a pocket my battles Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:23
Somebody

Unknown Speaker 1:03:25
what what's it What's a value that you hold true to yourself Zoey?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:28
Um, I just think if you're gonna do it, don't do it. Well do your best and I I have a hell no policy so if it's a let's all right, hello. Yes policy so with my management we get a lot of lovely opportunities and office and I'm pretty much like I can't remember who it was. I think it was um, Derek Severs yes

Unknown Speaker 1:03:46
about it yesterday, baby.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:48
Well, him Yes, but then there's the seven. So it was on another podcast. God knows which one but they said you know, think of this project out of a one to 10 but in the lead to seven and how much you want to know Then if you're an eight, it's a yes. If you're a six, it's the noi like that.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:04
Yeah. Tim Ferriss talks about it. It's one of those

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things. It's from someone else.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:08
It's one of those.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:10
Yeah, it is a Kevin clients. It's a it's a, it's a very clever way of distinguishing, like, yeah, the bullshit, right or

Unknown Speaker 1:04:18
wrong things. And it's your own bullshit writer, but I've got since I've had children, and I've got a business. I'm like, I just don't have spare time. So the projects have to be pretty amazing to do them.

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spare time, and friendships and all that sort of thing. I feel like as I'm getting older, I can't tell whether it is productive or unproductive to become more insular, or just like, yes, like I've got this drain I think it's not just understanding myself or just deep. Whatever what I'm trying to work out I mean, what is that? What's your relationship with that idea?

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Heavy introvert and very fun with that married to a heavy extrovert and We sometimes just have a little alignment of that, because like he could work in monster week. And his idea of relaxing after that would be to go out to dinner with 10 people. And mine will be put my soft clothes on and have a glass of wine and sit on the couch. And so, I sometimes just go, Hey, hey, you married a writer who lived by yourself. You're just to remember who you married because that's, that's who I am. But I am aware that I can become quite a hermit, particularly when I'm writing and just being with the kids in the family. And so I went to an event yesterday of a friend's product launch, which I never ever go to. And I always like to to drag my fate and then once I'm there and I get home I made like, I got three amazing things happen. Like I was like, looking for, you know, something, and someone had a recommendation and I met a great person and I'm just like, Do you watch it more? Yeah, like you have to connect sometimes and not just on Instagram like real life people.

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So is it bad pushing against what is natural to like, you know, yes, should the introvert be trying to be

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what I can be. I think that we're all mixers but I can be very extroverted. But I just, it's just He's hosting.

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Yeah, I guess like one feels more comfy than the other. Well, cuz actually, I think you're an extrovert, TJ Yeah, I'd say but I reckon I've started to become more since having a kid and doing it's just

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called being tired. talking, I want to go Yeah.

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But I definitely think I don't really want to. I'm focusing on this and I got a wife and like that, that thought of getting home with my families. So lovely. Yeah,

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and do that. But I think it's more isn't it more how you recharge, like that's the true definition of an intro and extra, I'm not sure. But you can go out and have an amazing day or time but then you've got to like so if I do a day of prayers afterwards. I'm a shell. I can't talk because you've just given so much energy all day and I think that's true of anybody. But yeah, I think it was a good reminder yesterday to sometimes just go Just get out there Stop being such a home person.

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Is it cooking it in advance that gives you the anxiety Do you think like if you booked it out, I hate booking Yeah. And

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again, I don't I probably said he's he says, you know, you can't book things that far out because you do you look at your calendar like I don't have anything on in October. Do that and they get you get to October.

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Very, very good. I asked you about this, I think in my side like I did my own trick on you. I'm actually sure walking past

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but I'm much more likely to say yes that Oh,

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yeah. All right. Yeah, it is because it's the anxiety. It's the thinking about it beforehand that sort of builds out. Yeah. But then there's also the other thing, which like, there's a certain trait and probably Haim would be more likely to do it. And Tommy would do it as well, which is just adding extra people to a dinner or something. Like for instance, I'm like, very funny with like, I did a world trip for three months with a mate. And he did like that. He's like, more is better. Okay. And it was like it. It's a nightmare. So it's like anyone like if you if you have someone, if you're inviting someone to dinner or whatever, it freaks me out if all of a sudden someone else has rocked up.

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Yeah, I think in my heart I'm a rules and routine person and that makes me nervous. When I've booked a table before, and that can only fit foreign hams was like, Don't worry, they'll be fine. I just want another chair. And I always like it at the end. Yeah, I always enjoy it but my brain resists anything outside.

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So is there resisting productive in any way?

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Otherwise?

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Surely this I want it to be productive.

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It's not stupid with all my work and my parental anxiety like, Oh, shit, so you have a kid? Yeah, I was ever an anxious person. Yeah, now I'm one of those people

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you can't Yeah, you can't survive if you were to be the kid like you how much raise Yeah, just running around next minute Shetty shout over there. And anyway.

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Thinking about them falling off. Placing is that

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is that to hobbies? Have you got any? I can't be writing and I can't be.

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I don't that's not a hobby. That's absolutely not a hobby. it's enjoyable work. hobbies. Such an 80s word. What? What does

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that even mean? Yeah, we actually looked it up what hobbies meant is what you do in the timeout. All the spare time. So it's Yeah, what are the things you do in your spare time? i?

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Yeah, well, it's just being off. It's just having no plans. And I kind of wake in the family it just pretty much at home the whole time or together on bikes or, you know, going to have pancakes or something we just go in. And none of that will change once the kids are doing sport and stuff like that. But we really love that stuff. And we say family and friends or whatever, but I don't like to lock in plans if I can. And I do a tonne of reading because I think that makes you a better writer, or that makes me jealous sometimes.

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Good. What is that feeling? Because I've, there's been a couple of times over the last few months where I caught myself feeling down on myself based on someone else's success. Yes. And that was like, and it was the thing was that I was so happy for them. And it was such reflection. Like, if I can do that, why don't you do this or that? I mean, so how do you I mean, how do you I think,

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inspiring so I remember one time and I saw Scott Pilgrim years ago. And we both sat there just clenching missing. Fuck. So good. Yeah. And, and with a piece of art or a book or a TV show, like big mouth, we watch that we're just like, Ah, so go to Russian doll. euphoria, you know, an amazing TV show or whatever it is. I get inspired by that. And I think it's that so funny you don't laugh because you're just sitting there going. Alright, this is just gonna make me leave my game. So I don't get down on myself. I just got a new standard now. Yeah. And I honestly put myself in the most ridiculous company because I'm like, Ah, geez, Tina Fey is good. I should be better. Yeah, it leaves me makes me better.

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This is from Episode 296. The three kilometre club Josh had the idea of setting up three people in a three kilometre radius with walkie talkies to see if they could connect with each other. The thing is, they actually recorded the whole episode beforehand and then lost it because Josh kicked the power cord out of the the road caster So they haven't had to re record it and this is the result. This is number 296 it's actually great same for the start of a horror film where he gets taken anywhere that we want to be doc. Here we go. Hello Tommy All right, tell me Here we go. I'm gonna I'm gonna let you do the talking stick it right

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dress

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is taking longer than I thought I might

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either All right, yeah, we've got some pretty sad and he's mad.

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So you know that piece of gold that we created about 35 minutes ago where you managed to contact BK in Collingwood and you're in the CBD on a CB radio. Yeah, Josh actually knocked the power out and we lost the whole entire episode.

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Jackie

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disappointments real Ross Joshua

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Yeah, I'm currently on the on the sixth floor above the father life. And so he thought that the only was with the sort of motto of always one upping every episode. We need to be able to one up now so the only thing I could think of is Cray weighing with you on vaycay right now with me being at my place as the Father. Oh, and at the Telstra building. You okay, the frequency 16? Yep, he's very. There's a lot going on. Yeah. Do you mind going to number seven, please. Yeah, that was me. Yes. Perfect. All right. Great. And in the meantime, yeah. be on standby. And when you're ready, just give us a give us a radio check. No. All right. catcha. Thanks for Tommy. Yeah, man. So we'll need to We need to tell BK to get on Channel seven. There's a lot of logistics going on. Do you mind just messaging him and letting him know? Yeah, I can. I can message him. Thank you. All. Right. So what was the date meant to be on Sunday? 97 I was thinking like a little catch up around coffee. Yeah, just just go get it like a coffee shop or something like that and get a hot chocolate. I'd get on chocolate anyway. Yeah, yeah. How do you feel about getting a hot chocolate? Like fine? Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Yeah. It's like having a sparkling water at the top. Do you reckon? Like a Sardar? Yeah. Okay. Yes. Okay. I think I'm just hearing something. I've asked the BK of MIT texted him and said get a radio check plays

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this signal is amazing. This is further than ever. What What's the weather like where you are?

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This is pretty poor signal on our end

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could you actually go out of the train carriage or whatever and see if you can see me above the bottle Oh, over waving.

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He's waving he's off

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better than what we had before guys. And what about Ross we need to bring him into the equation

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Could you imagine a line of sight like internet connection like it's perfect

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in conversation guys yeah. Josh

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one suggestion just keep the conversation very short. Ross's

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how's the weather there Ross over

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what is the weather like Ross over

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How are you feeling?

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We've done it all in between the time of 11 o'clock before 11 o'clock this feels like the best show we've done

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any other thoughts of Ross to BK as you know, you both listen to the show over and

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over. Thank you, Ross and maybe we could even maybe you could speak to the friends at Telstra about hooking us up with

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me now I'm just gonna quickly put Tommy on speaker Tommy When I say go you can get you can say anything to them over the thing. Okay, hang on.

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Are you ready? Take Yeah, I'm ready. Ready three to go. Yeah get a boys

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Could you tell Josh to return to nest

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that's all I got.

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You repeat yourself a tag could you hear Tommy over

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now this is where it's fast going downhill now Josh

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at the top.

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Yep, guys, it has been great. Josh will be returning to nest. Thank you. Over

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Did you get that voice

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from the top of the bottle I My name is baby boy and fake as you can Do you sign off now? That'd be great.

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There we go. We've done it, guys. Thank you. The three kilometres I've done it. Thank you. She's done a very massive achievement for everyone, mainly through my logistics. Thank you, Ross. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. And thank you for calling

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over to us or

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still talking what we're done now. We just finished the episode with you on the rooftop via the phone that more than seven minutes. Dude that's been 24 minutes and having fun and potentially some of our worst podcasting today to finish off the highlights This is Episode 455 It's Jeff post and radio Mike from released the sounds performing That song attached to string hi guys are you ready? Yeah I'm ready. Hey guys were released the sounds and yesterday we released our first single we released the alpha sound like the name of attached a string and today we were doing a live acoustic version of it on the daily talk show which is this show that you're listening to take it away jack welch said Mike

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had a love leave and then I'll walk you to your car. The next thing and you will lean in and we kissed a never get this ba hold you close the moment lost

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touch your skin. But I went to Rama

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hand through your hair and a notice you were attached to string

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we're attached

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food on

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your plate

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something

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distracting me from my mom in the rafters of the restaurant. She was making your eyes move making your mouth to making you love me making me love you

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during

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this call

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for some of you you're a puppet

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Now we have a left to gather and we live down by this say, Oh, you can't go in the water but you can sit on the sand. watching me we have a beautiful son, half puppet and half man. The kids at school like to teach him

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some songs for his puppet, human hands, but everything else

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was perfect. My dad called me one day. He says,

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I'm sorry to tell you that your mother passed

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away.

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I guess you didn't know what to say. Cuz you didn't say a thing. I guess you didn't know

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what to do. Cuz you completely stopped

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moving. You were apart. This whole time you were attached to string.

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You were a puppet this whole time you were attached to string

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this whole time you are