- March 19, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we’re joined by our mate Ryan Jon.
What Ryan is doing down in Melbourne
Negotiation power moves
Frequent flyers and insider trading
Ryan’s Business coaching
The most annoying things about us
Ryan’s radio plans
Learnings from pitching
Starting and figuring it out later
Ryan’s volleyball career
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Daily Talk Show Episode 306. And the only one more colorful than our road caster is our guest, Ryan. JOHN,
thank you very much for having me. It's the first time I've seen you far off from the dance. I love it. It's
a radio studio.
It's just not in a big building that you're used to one thing I've learned last few years, you don't need a radio station or studio to make great radio.
size doesn't matter
what size does also not matter.
You are for anyone watching wearing one of the most colorful jackets I've ever seen. Yeah,
I texted you early. I just got my phone out to rewrite it. I said my friend Ryan, world's most fabulous business consultant will be joining today's episode to advise the partners of big media company. And what you wearing is a sequence
how many different colored sequence Do you think there are?
456 or six?
It's a bit ly blue.
It's a beautiful number. I was at a gay wedding on the weekend. That's why I'm back over Yeah. And they said instead of buying us a present use that money to buy yourself the most fabulous outfit ever. So during the day in the formalities, we all wear like a proper suit. And then it got to about seven and they like everyone go change. Yeah. And so I got this and I had the shorts to go with it. Yeah. And then I thought I'm never gonna wear this ever again. Until I texted you earlier. I don't have it on the show. consultant cuz I just want an excuse to wear it. So here we are.
What sort of coin Did you drop on the outfit? actually bought through different outfits. So I changed at 7pm into this and then changed again at 3am into the most horrific things ever. I think this and the shorts combo was maybe 100 Yeah, from what stole a sauce actually has a festival section. interest. So if you go to a source it's like formal wear casual wear straight wear basic.
Yep, thank you. You're flying back to Perth tonight. Yeah,
are you gonna rock that on the plane?
No, I might wear the other thing that I wore was i got
i was gonna mention moods in there.
I got a one z which is only the faces of the guys what printer I'm saying I'm always curious as to where people get these things did you go to a store online so basically it's just there two faces the two guys who got married amazing, you know one z and it almost didn't arrive on time and I said to a friend I don't think it's going to make it and they must have assumed it was like a tire jacket. You'll get another opportunity quick
question is this was this illegal winning like it's actually Yeah, yeah. If you were here for the plebiscite, there was a there's a lot of hoorah going on she takes time but I was wondering so it's it's Yeah, so actually goes through on a piece of paper. Yeah, well, I was gonna Josh and I could actually I'm already married. I can't. But Mr. 97 and Josh could go to the Yeah, the office in the city and get officially married.
Did you notice any difference between it's not buying into my same sex marriage is not something throwaway Mr. Non except they say anything any differences that a same sex marriage brings other than a lot of flair. And
well, I don't want
to typecast gay weddings for the one I was just that because we went all out, obviously. But I've and my friends aren't
disturbed by what you're supposed to do at a wedding. So those I guess there's all these things that you just assume that's what you have to do. Yeah. And they were like, well, we're not gonna do anything we don't want to do so. The actual formalities were 10 or 15 minutes. Graham was quick fun. was quite beautiful. I cried like audibly lock myself. Because these guys have been together for 13 years. And my best friend is a good chances wedding, which is never gonna happen. Yeah, I think they thought we might not ever get married and feel one of the guys he's a trade he. He's dad to trade and he's a really old school Ozzy dad. I don't know what I'll even charge outside. He's now but when are these old fashioned rz dad stands off and just says how proud of his son ease and like welcomes lame to the fans family. We were just like, Oh,
please tell me he was wearing one of what you're wearing. But he did. He did dress up a little bit. But um, yeah,
it was pretty much just a massive party and that group of friends. A heavy party is something we finished up at 9am on Sunday. So it's 3pm with the formalities. 7pm with the speeches and we finished up at nine the next morning. Yeah. I think I've also got a scar.
failure. Yeah, so that was the weekend and it was great. But like said, that'd be some pretty traditional same sex weddings. Oh, two
days. One thing the guys and I had a party.
typecast that you kind of want. I'd like
it was incredible. I haven't been to too many weddings where I've brought multiple outfit changes and everyone was like I didn't stand out. And people watching on YouTube saying these jacket I was pretty doll compared to some of the really a lot of skin. So a lot of things that I didn't probably need to save it. I didn't know what happened like so 9am is when it finishes. Doesn't aim. That's what you said, wasn't it? No, no. The last paper will lock. I think we're done. What time were you done?
When were you done? And when did you lay? Yes.
I think last time was at this venue I was at 10am on but this time I was probably done by four or five.
Nothing good this going on after three.
After two. I was lots of draw. I had to travel there for a while. So that's how I got there. I was exhausted and like I can't keep up
with it was in loan or something
in between Laurin on Apollo Bay. So this huge property on the Great Ocean Road looking over the water. Yeah. And everyone went to the beach for Sunrise at 6am. And so nice. Yeah, but everyone's like, still let the party at that point. They just like well, the property was on the beach. So 900 made a walk. I mean by 6am that's not very like the parties in this room. Not that room. It's just people struggling around the toilet. It's happening. Well, how many people were there?
Probably 100 or so? Fuck. Yeah.
It's a big event. You You know if one day you were to get married? Yeah, a guy that would have a big wedding na and people find this really strange. Like I work on the right on the
loud. This is gonna sound weird. I'm wearing this jack. But I hate the thought of standing there and having all these people look at me. Yeah, like locking. I'd happily emcee your wedding of MC tapes, weddings. That's heaps of fun. But being in the wedding. Oh, it is
it is good. Like, it's not something that I I didn't want to I didn't really feel like it was one thing that I was like, I didn't have the opinion you did. But I also wasn't going I can't wait to be in front of all these people. You're in this zone though. That's the best thing about it is like you locked eyes with your partner. Yeah. And it's just like, it's you're in this world. And you like fuck it. You know, it's like, it's like when you struggle look into your eyes and holding it there. Because I actually I am right now. But you know what I mean, your partner, you're so close, Eli. Yeah. It's almost like you're having dialogue without talking. Yeah. And you know what that dialogue is? And so as you're out there, it's like, kind of like in this little world all these people watching. It's a weird experience. Yeah,
well, I think Bridget and I, and we will get married at some stage, but I reckon we'll just sort of sneak off and do it and then just have a big party. Yeah. Because again, the formalities and stuff. It's just so I don't know I've just never been a big Yeah, my parents like went married. So I've never grown up I just doesn't really mean much to me. But yeah, if I want to be married to Bridget will sign the docs and then just have a big party and we're probably stupid clothes like this. Yeah. How often are you leaving Perth at the moment like flying? It's March now and I think I've come back four times to see Bridget so yeah,
are you doing long distance we haven't was was that time you're on the show? Oh, yeah. We spoke to on the phone fact. Yeah.
bagging out radio stations. Did you get any pushback at all? Surprisingly, you guys don't have a huge listenership
in that industry, please
send this to his program director. today. Yeah, yeah.
So I live in Perth. My partner Bridget just got a new job and move back to Melbourne or just outside of Melbourne. So I come back every four weeks. It's expensive. It's expensive. Not worth it. We just got a dog Kobe J. BJ. I don't know what it stands for. Because we got him from a farm and we're like, what's the stand for like? 999
and they also call him peanut butter boy.
You could get a job while doing long distance.
Bodie my son's initials are bJ 97. BJ, he's a bj. I don't know. I feel like I just remember growing up with this tough guy in the neighborhood who was BJ so when it came to blow job? It was like you would never call him blowjob. Yeah,
he beat the shit out in well I'll kelpies a softy and he's a bit of a dork. So there's no good because
there's no goodbye Giovanna with a softy.
Where does where does BJ live? He lives in Bridget I can't add in a Great Western small little town. Was there any discussion of you potentially getting Ah, I was always now I've always wanted a dog and it's just been tricky. Like we've we've been in apartments. We've had like three months left of a job and we didn't know if we're going to still be down so it's always been a good excuse not to get one and bridges like stuff and I'm just doing it goes more to keep her company. I was gonna say is it like safety? She can't make it well, she said I want it to be safe. Like you know, I just want a dog in the house to scare people. You know, she's like, I
see that she's not gonna leave you because
his job is to scare off all those hot attractive farmer boys. That but I went and met BJ the other day. I never met him before and Bridget wasn't home from work yet. Yeah. And I walked in and this so called guard dog just walk straight over to me start licking me and was like my best friend straight away. I'm like, if someone breaks into this house, there's no way he's scared him off. Maybe he knew it was you will have been faced timing with him. You say it could be I was actually wondering a friend of mine.
Her kid was really friendly with Bray, my girlfriend, right? And the reason that I think it is is because I was really around a friend while she was pregnant. And I feel like my voice
has a familiar ality and now it might move on to Bry is because brain is so quiet. Well, I hope that's true. Because I've spent a lot of time like whispering sweet nothings into pregnant people's bellies who I yeah, real daily.
Mr. Nice even look it up. Obviously, you actually look great. Knowing the baby's familiar with parents voices in the womb. Because Yeah, I was talking to him. He's barely hips.
And it could be a thing. Like, I was wondering. I was really testing the rapport like using my voice a lot to save. You know them? Well. Yeah, it didn't. It didn't sway him as much, but he really liked Bry and so I tried to take a little bit of
a shine. Yeah, exactly. There's something
about having the power over something like a dog like when you're the owner,
you know, to be in power of it.
They said but I'm just saying it's one of the perks of like, being able to tell something what to do can really
be told he's an idiot. Really? Yeah. don't join mommy I'm watching the TV. Just right on top side dog around sign dog started outside then Bridget came to letting him in the land. Yeah, and then slowly went from the land Florida block. All right, just get on the couch for a little bit. And now I'm pretty sure he sleeps. Next we're in the bed.
Next to be under the sheets in the bed. And then you be like Mr. 97 sharing with the dog. The dog was in the room while sharing was happening. That was the thing Oh, he gets in the shower with the dog dish to clean the dog. That's how he cleans the dog. He's
nude. I actually think that's fair enough to watch the dog fully dressed you'd end up with all your clothes so you might as well just get up in there and if you're not staying when you're cleaning the dog
go outside these cars like Car Wash joints now have dog wash Aires
oh no that's cool. Yeah,
that's we have to pay for that.
We've got a boss he doesn't leave
the house and right West than that we have a bridge leaves we didn't know when we got it but it has a bath in the backyard. really looks like maybe like an old tool chest or like it's kind of imagine a coffin shaped sort of thing. Yeah, it has a big sort of actually it's pretty much like a coffin bed like a corrugated iron outside and we just lifted it up to see or maybe that's where they keep firewood or it's like that's where the motions or something we lifted up and it's a full proper bath hot water connected really got the shower outside and stuff. I've seen photos in your Instagram of Yeah, like a getaway time
it was in a bathtub in Pasco Baptist. And it was like this huge bathtub we lifted it and we heated it up with water from the stove.
That was all connected but it's still at the back so you can see that the back look out over the mountains over holes gap and stuff.
Is it a rental? Yeah,
that's about Yeah, although I reckon we might
we lock it down. How many times is that actually happened? Do you think someone goes from renting a place to going and buying a second look or a property investors just that investors so if the price is right and then looking to you know, diverse or whatever,
if your lease if you've leased it? It's because it's either it's probably the investment well, where are you living? If you're not if it's not something you've bought in like you have it? Yeah, so they probably like if it's the right time, you just gotta get people at the right time. Yeah, you've bought a few properties. Yeah,
you just can't snake him. Yeah.
What does that mean?
If I need to sell quick Okay, yeah, sure.
Actually, Leon sugar and
before I met you snake and if they say a number you say no. Really want to sell it? means I want to sell. Do you have any tips in regards to you know, you are making people? Yes. Making people how do you how do you snake?
hummingbirds men mentioned the numbers. I mentioned that. Can I talk about that on me? Yeah. So when I worked at National Australia Bank, they told us if anyone mentioned that ombudsman, just give them whatever they want.
And should you know international viewers, listeners in a bay have been in some of the most trouble when it comes to the Royal Commission in Australia when it comes to banking. Well, I think even if they're right, yeah,
if it goes the Ombudsman it cost them a couple of grand in fee. So they're like, Look, it's gonna cost us two grand and fees. And you're disputing it Reebok just Yeah, really?
How do you think they link the snaking the Ombudsman. How do you do it without lying?
Well, like how you have the house in camera, these people who are selling it and they built this beautiful home we loved it was like two years old. And we knew they were moving into their new house in three weeks, and they just needed to sell it. And so the first opening was on a Saturday. And I said I'll come around Wednesday for look. So they just gave me private viewing and I just gave him the check and was like if you accept it right now I'll buy it tomorrow. And knowing that if they had an inspection and they were going to have an auction like three weeks later, I was like they're under the pump. Yeah, it's on blocked. He's the check.
Right now. Don't have it tomorrow. Imagining you in this
Okay, I get it like fucking right. I can't see the check. But I'll take it. How did you work out how much to pay? Well, I thought it was worth about 30 grand more than what we paid. So I just went it's probably worth about this. I know they're desperate. So I'll just go low and see what they say and the power of having the check in the inside.
versus if you say all you know, people like all we're looking to buy, but we have to sort out the finance. Yeah, it's it's a 60 day settlement. We're like, it's a 24 hour settlement. The money's here. Yes. We're not
fighting at McGuire or what? Yeah, it's got very lucky if more people get to see these house, they're all going to want it as well. Because if you can't if you're feeling that why do you think they get the sense of in one, one area where it's a power move with like, men take the check. Yeah, but it's also the other side, which is like,
just take the check. Yeah,
like they could have been pound moving me. Yeah. Like
that's any kind of bartering or exchange. There's always one. Like it's a power game. Right? There was a new app.
You know, there was a power play within the power play now I remember it so I think we said about five grand less than I wanted to pay. Yeah, it was like, and it had like something like these, what's called a butcher's block. Is is really nice. You
seen the photo of the house when he was Yeah,
so this beautiful block and so I could kind of make which became our kitchen table lock. But yeah, it's
clear they want to buy a house you want to buy a house Josh the one from IKEA. It's like probably
a lot cheaper than the one you've got. So it's a butcher's block
on top of that, and so it's like I
was used back in the day, it was sort of the kitchen bench slash dining tables. laughs That's where we spent all that time and because it's not fixed to the house, but yeah, so perfect because the guy that built the kitchen built the Buddhist block. So I took a little bit off what I was going to offer and said our I'd love to have that table as well if I can keep it and they went or will have to push the price up and I was like Yep, that's what I thought you'd say and I factored that in Really? Did you say five k did you do the full Am I simply pay five k for that table?
negotiation? I got a free table Did you pay this a minute? You got a table
you're looking at it Yeah, did you take the table to a new place now we left it there so it's okay good. As long as they don't such an expensive type of deal this shit so how do you how do you do this negotiating without feeling like you're a liar.
It's like when you go I just wanted to know but
I guess so when you go for a job and you they say how much you want? Yeah, what do you say
whatever you're on plus 10 grand so you lie nobody to it so that's where I think people battle people battle with these situations I've actually thinking about now all the new jobs I've got a sort of him in the same company so if you call your boss
but I know top with negotiating you have to be prepared to walk away Yeah, so when I like went in and was like take it or leave it I said we'll leave it then you have to then you can't be like oh well actually then you tell us you kind of gotta stick by it and that happens in a lot of industries where they people come in and go I'm worth this much pay it or I'm leaving and they say no and you have to leave I got rid of Fox tower which is like a cable here in Australia because I tried that move around like look like yeah if you can look with this package I'm just getting rid of it. Yeah All right, I'm done. And so Bry just wanted to like lower the price you really like Fox to hang up and bring goes so what happened? I'm Oh yeah, we're getting rid of Fox now.
What do you mean? How are we going to watch all the shows? I don't know. When did this happen? This was like a couple of years ago look look long term who was the real winner that folk style is dying? Yeah. And you run a media account executive at a company Yeah, you'll be a big media company. We are all around a lot longer than Fox.
Can you do that with like it's the Barefoot investor he says you should call your insurances and your home loan come in just go hard. Have you done that stuff?
I've gone to a bank and said not this is the interest rate will pay and what did I say? I said yes to quickly and as I can I should have gone low. Really um, but another time I yeah, I was buying a house and I had to go print off a bank statement. And I walked into a different bank and she said I can use print off my statement is admitted Wait a different bank to the bank says with so I got the home loan with Cameron. Thank you. And my like day to day bank is Westpac. Sure so I went into Westpac I was like, can you print off this statement I need to give it to come back to prove what I and then when I buying a house for beta it
really was like, Ah, it's already done. I just need to print this form off and I'm moving in. And they're like, Oh, you should have told us because whatever they were doing, we would just would have
made it far and
really that could so you couldn't in that moment. Well, like I said, we're moving in the next day and I think that was two years ago but I keep hearing I heard Scott Peck talk this morning that's banks have really tightened up but they're still competitive like they want your money your customer I've had I've closed credit cards as well for the same thing where I'm like, unless I get zero but like yeah, zero fees. Yeah, because the fees can be pretty expensive like we brain I account fees and shit. Yeah, well the annual fan of credit. Yeah, like the black especially like when you go to those like frequent flyer ones I think was like 299 or something on those frequent flyer ones. I yeah, they were riding flew first class like
full bedroom bed. You're doing Yeah.
feels right. Yeah, I signed up to every credit card last year awkward and paid for flop from
Yeah, so what at bay for
you, one world a sterilized quantity. stuff. Yeah,
everything goes into that. And so what's your What are you going to actually use the points for Have you worked it out? flying back and forth? Yeah. to visit you guys and a little bit of my partner. Yeah. Melbourne, the new partners? Were in Melbourne. Yeah. Well, last night last year, I flew to Sydney to Melbourne twice and to Bali wants on points old
status. So no, no status. I mean,
look at these jackets.
Doesn't matter what
this is a
fraud, or gold or something. And it means lock, not mine. Now you can line up over the head. I'm like to get on the same plane. Yeah. I got I got super annoyed. I realized that I need to stop chasing the status thing while we're away. It's a metaphor for life. Yeah, it is. But I may be wrong you still better than ever.
It was a when I realized was when people were getting on the plane. And that cold only people with Platinum or whatever. And other people started to line up. And I just had this moment where my first impulse was to scream at the out of the way
that I decided to be a guy
because I feel the same I love when I'm
on it. I think it's the thing is like I feel like I've spent all this time like all the credit cards and the fucking around and they It feels like you have
Yeah, it's like,
it's the equivalent of no one should get so obsessed about toasted sandwiches, but Virgin Australia, they lounge. They do toasted sandwiches. And so you end up buying into all the hype of every little bit like, when in reality, we could buy a jet filmmaker and have it and just like do it. Oh, I've been accruing points. And I want that Jeff will to have the right kind of hand.
I know Yeah. You do become big, like freaking flies is the big baby club. Seriously, isn't it? So big baby
it totally works. I like I now. Only flock wanted. Yeah, because of some little. They, you know, I spent thousands of dollars to crew like a few points for something. I could have just used that money on fly.
So what's the reality of opening all these credit cards?
at this school like Donna,
it has to be good. You know,
it will get a hit every time you open up an account, they get to a point where you can't have any more. So now I don't reckon I could get too many more without closing a few others down first, I still pay them all on like I never pay any interest. But yeah, there's a point where you can't just have huge credit cards and
what's your the video you made about this whole thing? Did you get anyone saying? Why you telling people to get credit cards? Yeah,
well, it's because I was I thought who's gonna be interesting in this topic. So I just logged it into a Scott Pape appreciation. Really bad. Why, but it's one of those things. You really did that? Yeah, we got to put it in front of the people
that want to say it. And john was the one who connected me with Scott pipe.
That's how my connection with Skype. And he's now one of the great members of the big media companies. Yeah.
Well, you welcome permission, but that's fine. But I think like I said in the video, and maybe we can post it somewhere for people to watch it is that there's ways you can win. And there's ways you can lose. And what happens is people see how you can win sign up, and then they do the dumb things and get caught. And I think the people in the Barefoot group and in general will like you have to be strict and plan and discipline to make it work for you. Because you can get sucked in
with a marketing from the company is the winds. They're not marketing, how you're losing that whole equation. Yeah,
they're not saying Oh, yeah, but the annual fee comes around. And that's where we make it up. say, Oh, yeah, we give you this, but then we charge you heaps of interest. So where's the word? They don't tell you that the facts Have you ever used after pay? No, no, no, I haven't either. And that's dangerous, isn't it? Yeah. Bridget, my partner was in a shop the other day and went to buy something. And she saw a T shirt. And they're like, $70. And she was like, not paying $70 for a T shirt. Like, we have $70 to her name. But she's like, I just it's not worth $70 to me, and the shop system goes, Oh, well, you just put enough to pay. It's like, No, I'm not saying I don't have it. Now. I'm saying that thing is not worth 70. Yeah. And the girl was like, Yeah, but you just put it off to pay then you're like, Wow, she liked the person selling it was just like, oh, it just doesn't matter what it's worth. You just put it on after
some of the most depressing statuses on the Barefoot investor Facebook page, like the the forum. Yeah. Just the Pete the debt that people have around those instant pay websites. What is it? There's another one like, nimble it or something like that? Yeah. Yeah,
they're all they're all very similar. I mean, my brother invested enough to pay in the early days.
As he is in he bought runners using I
know, he invested. He told him, You should get on this. And he did. And he's mad. He's already seen dividends from his investment. Have you
guys ever got a hot tip, not gone on it, or got off at two tournaments. I remember when I was a kid.
We were at like a family friend's house. And this guy was saying that he worked for a company that was about to be acquired by Microsoft in like, the next few days. And I remember I would have been like 12 at the time. I just remember nagging at my dad and my dad. Just put 30 grand down.
Fabulous jacket. Oh,
I just do it. Just like dead. I know. Like, listen to what he's saying. Just put the 32 I don't know what happened. Yeah, I'm sure it was probably. So let's get a
couple of my mates you guys would know. I'm not gonna say their names because it's quite embarrassing. Puts 100 and 150. Now the put 15 into this thing where you had a tip off? It's essentially insider trading that unless it's it is insider trading. But when is it class?
If you're not in the inside?
actually don't work for the company. When does it become insider trading? What's the definition
of insider trading lots of Mr. 97 robbers of the CFO and Roxy bankers husband's
tipping off a mate or something when we get caught from so
I knew where this tip came from. And I don't know he didn't work for the company. But these two dudes invested enough. I watched the stock so did rise. It's probably from their input their equity.
But it's fact
it's an i don't think we'll come back. It's like 20 cents, no less. And what was it? I was just some some government
it was at 20 cents, was it?
Not even like I could probably find it. It's fact it's fact it's like maybe was got 20 senses went to five or something? Like they totally lost their money. All the people like my uncle I remember invested in Telstra shares. I just bought them really? Well. There's I don't think they used to be at like 80 or 90 or something. Back house job. Yeah, they used to be really hard on. I mean, one of the things Josh and I've spent a good half an hour multiple times is just typing in the stock prices into Google saying you can press it like year to date lifespan. And we're all just a gun. Oh, look at that curve.
I was gonna Yeah, it's always the always going to invest. Yeah, man. Yeah.
It's like going to the horse races though. And going on that talking
about the horse races. Did you see the AFL playa who throws shoe? Yeah.
Someone raised in Western Sydney?
Yes, yeah. And
then the day after he. He's in intensive care right now. Really? Jesus day after? What happened to him? I think something happened. He was he walked onto something really nice. Or the shoe back had a big weekend. He had it. Yeah, that's not an ideal weekend. Maybe that's why everyone went quiet. But on Twitter people were. slant absolutely slamming him. Yeah, I think I know. People have just finished AFL. I don't know. That's not Thomas. I'm in LA. Yeah.
So he just finished up his career. Oh,
actually, I'm not sure he'd be at the age where it'd be close. If he hasn't. Yeah. He finished his career over the week. Well, if you're thrown a shoes, drunkenly a week before around one you probably not. Yeah.
Did you find it? Mr. 97? Yeah,
so the inside has to be either a director or senior officer of the company, or an entity that owns more than 10% of voting shares, really. So if it's right level, then it's
the realities. It's the because most secondhand tips outside of that I probably should have, like how many people are actually best method, the CEO getting the tip and then telling you not probably the case all the time. But that's where they know in advance what's going to happen.
When I how much people got the early investors into gimlet.
Oh, yeah. shelled
Chris rocker and all but like it was one of the venture capitalists he wrote to me TEDx these money. So they all
wanted $200 million
sold to Spotify for is that what we're thinking for big media company? Like they started out as just one podcast one thing and it just got sold for 200 million. That's not crazy. Like, that just happened? Yeah. And you guys doing the same?
Well, I think so. You get like gimlet media?
Sorry, any company that is trying to get venture capital injection is essentially trying to sell out at some point. Yeah. And Mark Boris that. The mentor, he was I went soaring the other week. And he was saying to thousands of people, he's like, you need an exit plan from day one. And what does that mean? He it wasn't like work at the figure, you get a cell phone, but it's like have the exit plan of how you're going to transition into doing something else. Which means you need all your ducks in a row, which makes sense. He's like, you don't have to use your exit plan. But just knowing what your company's worth and knowing all your systems and everything in place, then you can act on it. I need
to put an extra question then because I told you that the jackets not just the front I do have I have prepared a quiz. Do you use Evernote do i do
i do and I'm just adding to it. exit plan. exit plan how often do every day I've run my life of my life that my work life of Evernote, I dreamed of doing that I
sell my coffee for 200 million. What about you? I just wanted to really well planned.
Definitely like cuz Tim Ferriss is a note taking.
Dude, I jumped on Evernote when Tim Ferriss fall going to tell you I got onto my workout plan. Everything's gonna be here I have all the data. And if you do use these things, they fucking work read. The receipts Do you use sometimes?
Sometimes it's probably not ideal. Yeah, I use it all the time. I wanted to get to a point where it's like, if someone asks a question, I just I don't know. I'll have to check every night. Like I want it to have every answer with everything wanna? Yeah, he's a full my deep. Well, most of the people that listen to this show. I mean, there's a lot of creative types and maybe people this isn't completely boring to them. Right? So I've got like a list of ideas. And so I've got like hotties Adrian Ryan show. He's got three notes, parties, Adrian, Ryan, Joe, Ryan, john, life and dreams other shit. And then I've got lots of like, dumb ideas and stuff. And this is what happens. I meet with someone they go, Hey, Ryan, we want you to do a video for us. Like here's the budget. Do you want to come back in a week with a few ideas? And I was like, actually, let me look in Evernote. That's your idea is good. And I have pitch people and sold thing on the spot.
Thousands of dollars that's amazing. And so what's the comm slash Ryan? JOHN for your 10% discount?
No I do I really the I use at the moment I a writer
not just to stylistically look
good night. It's just a no that's what the jackets for. No, I a writer is just like a note taking app. But it it goes into the cloud as well. But I do
it does look good that it's in that old top. Yes.
It does look nice what you can full screen and stuff. But I do like the idea of Evernote but you really need to invest time. What's the big media company? One that you have was a big note for you guys. Yeah, before I had whatever we chatting about last time I wrote down in here. And then when he's gonna file on us, yeah. And now and now I've got to go through the notes for the most fabulous business coach ever. Yeah,
definitely he was
doing during my show this morning was researching what to do on the podcast.
So this these questions, first of all, is just Yeah.
Because the five things that I think are important, okay, was for but now it's five. It's turned into q&a.
It's the first ones that mix of strengths yet. Second, these growth 30 annual focus. Fourth is accepting each other's negative attributes. And five is apparently our exit plan. So let's stop, stop. Okay, perfect. One.
this is grind. This feels like insider trading. I don't know, having the same strengths as your business partner isn't always the most productive. Sometimes you need to have your strong points covered the other person's weak points. And that's where you get synergy. Yeah. So my question is for you guys to discuss. Actually we'll start with the Josh Josh what can Tommy do that you can't?
Tommy and Robin with Josh he doesn't think anything.
But also while we great, because that's just the thinking know you next time,
you know, I think Tommy is very good at dealing with social situations and having multiple conversations going at once and having a lot of stakes in the ground. Whereas I tend to do one. Yeah, I have one at a time. And that's good. That's good thing for business, because there's lots going on. Yeah,
what can Josh do that you can't? And hello, we go hell.
No, I think I think definitely, it's the counter the opposite to what Josh said. Like, he can be very single focused and put the blinkers on and not consider anything like tunnel vision in some of the things which is amazing. Artistic. Yeah, yeah.
But sometimes you just gotta get it done. Yeah. Okay. Good. Past first question. Second one, if you want to throw any Mr. 97, as well. Yeah, yeah, he can be. Do you agree with what they said about each other? Yeah, yeah. When I told me you were gonna go with some like technical. Oh, I mean, we got How much? And what technical stuff can't just do.
It just gave me one. It actually just
becomes a stings for Josh because he prides himself on being very,
I'm trying to think of movies hate to the Final Cut Pro. I'm still going. Yeah, Final
Cut. Yeah, yeah.
Or even just even shortcuts in general premiere? Yes. I just, I just I want to be the guy who's got Evernote. Have all my shortcuts. Yeah. But in reality, I'm a click and drag her and I'm still learning. I've just started teaching myself how to edit. So I feel your pain. I want someone who knows what they're doing. Unlock. That would take me out. Yeah. Yeah. Question two is growth. gronk. This is from the most fabulous business coach in the world. All smola new businesses strive for growth. However, there's different types of growth, different areas where you can grow in different ways that growth can be measured. So I want to know if you're both on the same page for what growth you're striving for. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to count down from three, and then you guys are going to shout out what growth means for big maybe. Okay, the screen just went is it? Oh, okay. Yeah,
that's okay. Sweet. Alright, so what area of growth? Are we striving for? Here? Three
things one word answer.
The point is that you should know it should be
I think we're super a lot.
You think you beat the gun? The I need to count. Okay, can
I just tell a guy in this jacket? Hey, give me a sec. Sorry.
There's gonna be so many words that come up. Yes. Throw it out there. Okay. 321. A name.
Says originality and originality. You said we're nimble team. That's original, I think was an original middle name.
Sorry. So what I think we are super light on this. Because any like, show, you could look at business and go, man of staff is many and growing. The amount of clients he taking on his growth in revenue calculates the fees, but there's a school of thought of going we can be a small team working with little amount of people. A lot amount of
money revenue per employee. Yeah,
I mean, a very singular goal. But if because you could then manage it and go, okay. Well, Mr. 97, could make is $100,000 a year, let's get 10 of him. There's a million dollars. And what will that cost? It will cost Baba and so you could get into it like that. But it's like, we're a small team, that one want to reach far. And we don't want to be bogged down by you know, things like staff or high staff costs multiple people if we can keep it simple. I think that's the that's the thing. People think that they need to do is expand the team to expand the business.
Where do you guys lines says black business versus output? i a lot of like startups a lot. We don't need to make money for the first how many years? We need to get members or listeners or whatever.
Have those people who've had venture capital where they're like, we've got a runway for two years. Yeah.
Where else around my well, so I think the fiit we want to be bootstrapped. So we want to be independent. But we also want to make sure that we're utilizing ourselves before we add extra things in. So realizing it, like getting good at the foundation. And also that means with like Mr. 97 going, Okay, he could be working on this. What else can we be doing? What is that? What's the limits that we can play? Yeah, how much?
We've looked at, like, how much money is this small team? Can we make? Yeah, and then we go, Okay, let's reach for that. Because we could not hit that and bring people on and go scale up in a different way. But if we can hit the way that we're saying, It's big, and it's small and gives us flexibility, yeah.
now know that this test is designed to fail. But you have past that, and I kind of knew the answer. But like, you could imagine there'd be a lot of teams who started out kind of thinking they know what the other person wants. Oh, yeah. And you could see how like said there's many different ways to measure it if some people are interested in different things that can get relocated real quick. Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like I'm in a game show with this guy.
I'd love to a game show. Yeah,
I think you'd be good. Nice. Yeah.
I'm gonna host down any auditions for game show? Yeah, I'm actually in the running to be the host of Who Dares Wins. Really? Back off. I decided that at 6am the guy waiting when all the sun was coming up, but you know
what? Well, I did the audition at the time.
Friends and family. That was a good show. We've spoken about on the show. Yeah, I think it's a good show in itself, but then you get those nostalgia points, hence why it could work. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I
just had a photo recently of mean 10 years, I had some bragging moment. Yeah. The
The best thing about who has wins is its prey GoPro. So you see them are in the hottest part of them doing any of the real sort of high angle stuff where they're really fired up is the fact they've got like, a big fuck off camera, they
have neck injuries going on.
And it looks like a like a shot on a potato. But the amount of Yeah, it's pretty crazy. We kind of covered and your focus when we talk about growth, because there's so much let's move on to accepting negative attributes. So when you sign up with a new partner, yeah, obviously you like they're great at this. They're great at that. I'm great at this and you kind of match your strengths and stuff. Yeah, but a part of business relationships. Yeah, and life relationships is accepting that sometimes some people just have some annoying little habits and you just got to get our show. So we're going to go one at a time.
Very quickly, Tommy and I had a discussion just earlier
probably a six out of 10 and hate
to hate Dinka rub
but bit of dank rub but then I noticed in Asana which is our project management tool, Tommy added to the topic things that people do to annoy you.
Oh, that was actually before I read that before I'm pretty sure
so I got that nice
subtle I definitely I will say before we answer this though, it's like a radio show with two people the two similar there's like no friction just yeah What do you think of that? Yeah, I think
it's it's like so it is it creates some harmony having two people on the same you know, fucking wavelength, but then it's not the best. Yeah, the outcomes not as excited as it makes.
The conflict is coming. We're going to start with Tommy okay, right now on I'm going to count down from three hard and you're gonna say you're gonna say what you think is the most annoying little thing that Tommy Tommy do it for a bit? Where's that but you're gonna say what you think he's gonna say? Oh, and see if you get the same answer so we're focusing on Tommy Okay.
All right. Great. Two one
What do you spray deodorant in this small tight booth fuck off my
was very biased that answer
is that what you do though?
I spray deodorant out the back.
Does that annoy you? Well, it gives me asthma
okay, I when was last time you use the puffer Josh
I didn't know when was last time you sprayed yoga probably three days ago. No, I don't own a puffer
Yeah, so he's not an asthmatic? Because if you're an asthmatic, you own a fucking Puffin.
Actually, I spray mind for everyone because I need to do it straight after this. And be once cover. Make sure you keep your text message saying that mindset for the best price
now there's only one ambulance Bry. Who you
know, it's actually different in different states.
That sounds rather there is only one ambulance service
Victoria is Victoria's its New South Wales is different.
I said pushback. Yes. If I ever complained to Tommy about the deodorant. He straightaway pushes back. Yeah. And is that
instant reaction is Nah,
no, no, it's only it's only when
if I'm certain on something. Sometimes there's a little bit of pushback. Okay, which is I think it comes to a good result. I think Tony was saying if if everyone's agreeable, then you just locked? Yeah, yeah.
The only old critique my pushback is that I was talking to conspiracy, Jimmy. And he's like, he's telling me about how he plays devil's advocate with his business partner. And it's become a thing. He's just like he launches into He's like, ready for playing devil's advocate. But he's like he's identified as it is that automatic entering into that space as negative, which I think there's a bit of that on push back to you that you can always be pushing back, which you can bring good result?
Well, I think you know, because I create, so like, there's so much velocity to my thoughts or whatever, right. So if I have something it's like, I better say I think part of the panic is I better say something now, because otherwise it's going to happen. Yeah. Would that be fair? Do you think Oh, no. Yeah,
I think there's a there's two sides to this. It's like being conscious in where you're giving pushback and why you're actually giving pushback, do you actually honestly think that you need to give pushback. And then it's the velocity at which you enter a situation and being aware of how that you, the passengers, they get on board with what you've done. And so it is a hard one, but that's working to that that's a business partnership,
I read something about the devil's advocate. It was like, I wish I remember, it was like a you know, an Elon Musk, Seth Godin, sort of no original thinking kind of guy. Yeah. Who said Janssen kinda boy. Yeah, my blog. He's actually recording my devil's advocate is bullshit. Yeah, you're telling someone to be negative, and they don't even have to put their name to it. And only be like, Oh, yeah, if you're gonna come back and say it's fucked at least have the balls to say that's what I think instead of going,
You're saying people coach their opinion in the devil's advocate use the word Devil's opinion because they're like, Yeah,
but if you say, I'll just be devil's advocate, then you like just telling him to shoot.
I think it's a way to I mean, I
remember you were playing devil's advocate the other day to pedophile.
actually, that is the that is the that is the fucking embodies the devil. a pedophile. Yeah. And
so in that moment, you're advocating it? Yeah.
Do you want to retract like yeah,
look? I don't know. We'll have to we'll get Mr. 97 and close the loop on that one question for and a half. I don't don't pedophiles, you're all backwards if you are one.
All of our listeners like I like to know they're not watching. We don't have headphones.
If one of you please stop watching and fuck off. Yeah.
Now we turn our attention to Josh Josh
on the cannabis radio gonna say what you think Tommy thinks about what you would do to annoy him by doing Oh, hang on. Yeah, I'm three you're gonna say what annoys you about Josh
And is the second last question of the business card. Okay,
now Yeah, this is great. To one I'm drinking your water bottle.
I will say Who do you spend the most time around? I'm sure you've had this with your co hosts Eric and Eric and George and I spend way more time together than you and your co host 100%
so far away you
know when growing up I think the closest exit Emily's when I was growing up and you'd be on holidays and you've got your mate that you love from school and you're spending like two weeks together fucking in each other's pockets that's the relationship George and I have because we do this thing five days a week soon to be seven and then we fucking and you're texting we're texting we're working together we speak my son always thinks Josh is on the phone because he mostly is Josh
and so these things little things that you just start to
reveal the negative appetite he's
been doing lately that's annoying. I felt like
I'm drinking my water and he's gonna
drink the water bottle
Yeah, just a little bubble that can you drink the water?
Like do you want me to because the thing is I don't raise them why they sound and bubble it Why
think do it just do it? I think the reason why it happens is because whenever I'm drinking it's a panic because I've realized that haven't had enough water today so it had this is you get to hear I
didn't mention these 1020 times a day
That's so annoying.
I appreciate that you tried to do that all in front of you look fucking
wonder what is the annoying but it's also make it stop it thing and
there's nothing I want you to continue and it's something I have to deal with. But that's why I was gonna bring it up because it's Josh
you said unpredictability you
annoying but funny at the same time. You said I'm predictability Do you think you sometimes a bit of a Yahoo
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah all the time. Yeah, I go through a little bit. manic depressive. So I go real quiet back diagnosed.
But the lowest lows aren't like negative on the world. I think that's it's like the the the scale of the manic depression it just is up and down. Because you don't go into the don't go say hello we're all fact in the show is going nowhere
and I mean Josh come in and then you'll be like, Oh, it's one of those days I'll just be cool.
No, it's more it's more flying through the doors to do something big which see that like you could look at that as a positive and a negative yep the negative is the fucking passages passage passengers that you take all the fuckin What do you call it the casualties that you create
I'm doing but doing a podcast and I'm fine we're not at war. I mean
this is this is a low level fucking fighters small business owners. Sorry there is that but that's not I think I say there's a more positive than a negative thing.
Well, it's just the water bowl thing if you stop bad be fucking
me back. I'll say no, but that's
that's a positive point for crime because the whole point of it is that is accepting the negatives. Yeah. Also just being open and honest about them. Because sometimes it is something like the water bottle that five years later you're Tommy's here twitching,
broke the business. He broke the big media company
finally lost the water bottle. I did lose the water. Bobby gonna lose it when I like to.
Actually, I got a thermos
and the water bottle. And the thing was the Hemis, how old are you?
A real hipster. They call it's not. Now you should say the thermos? I have it's quite premium looking.
It does look cool. It's not one of the big ones. That was
from the footy. Yeah.
AJ with a blanket on the
on the wave leaks household. All that. So you definitely would make that before? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. final one. What is the big media company exit plan? Because as Mark Boris once said, conference last week, you have to have been from day one. Yeah.
So it was saying the count of three, might as well. down so 321 blow up modify.
Mine's more optimistic than
my mom was more sort of a funny blow up like the idea that we're done. Yeah,
we're done. And mine was $200 million acquisition from Spotify?
I think I'll probably not I reckon we'll meet somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Obviously, you don't have to, to answer. But just the question of Have you guys actually had a conversation? In 510? Where does it? It's not like I think we're building out the business around systems. So making it very sort of streamlined what we're doing and taking anything that could be a system and turning into a system. So then we can focus on the creative stuff. Yeah.
It's a good exercise to take everything you do, just as a top line heading right onto a board. The stuff that you don't have a system for, what is the problem? frictions. What can we
say nice to someone last week, about ash or luck, if everyone wrote down it, everything that you do every day, and then crossed out the stuff that didn't really matter?
that's a good one. And a lot of people do a lot of stuff that they're like, I want to actually do that. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, I think that we're in a unique position that we're building something from scratch too. Yeah. And because of that, we don't have all that legacy shit that can happen. Like, you know, you start a job that's like, I have to do this. And I started doing that. So we still don't, yeah,
it was in shipping. And we were like, why are we doing this? Yeah, so we cut back on a bunch of stuff. But that's Yeah, it'd be the case across the board. So I think that we're
in a thing, the reason that people would be interested in not even acquiring us, but working with us use the systems and the knowledge that we have around what it takes to do
innovative content for a long period of time, as Mark said, you like you can't sell a business if you don't have systems in place. What are you buying? And that's what he was. I think that was his emphasis around exit plan is unless you get worked out no one's gonna What are they bond? Yeah, how they buying
it you're not gonna be there any more than what exactly
yeah, there's no system in us I think yeah, it's
there was a guy who used to play foul who created an app
know, the different guy he created an app that
was sort of like that river of drink so at all the loader six pack in and it comes with men's and water look. Football Club player Yeah, but this guy by that's all you want him to Google
Melvin Football Club, playa alcohol delivery already. Got that? You'll find it? Oh, no, no, I
don't think it is. But basically, someone bought the app for hundreds of millions is God related? And now and they're like, Oh, you want to buy alcohol delivery thing? And he goes no, we don't care about delivering alcohol or anything but just this database management system in the back end. And he's the little thing we've been missing for our business that I purchased the whole thing. I can imagine that happening to us and so all we want to as Mr. Nice
thing you used to put your ideas into that's not Evernote aside. I just come to you and go the way you've laid out your he's 10 mil now.
Joe McDonald Yeah, with 100 million dollars. Yeah,
but look at the negative stuff around that not to bring him down. But
that's exactly what he doing.
You know, there's some he was bad shit going on. Yeah, hang on. I don't want to misquote. But But you did. That was the headline I heard and then and then I heard the follow up, which was something pretty bad. Hundred Million. But I mean, that's crazy. Mr. 97. Credit, he's worth every cent. What
do you reckon? After the Have you had any more clarity around what you will do after radio? Done is this is my last year.
And so I don't tracked it that way. You talk
one player. Yeah, you know, you don't if you don't have a contract, you're not playing.
She's watching the f1 we watched the first episode of f1 on Netflix. I really good. Yeah, it was great. And Bry you like was getting into which is like driving along just like, like what Mr. 97 does overreact to things. Like I wonder how Ricardo went. Yeah. And then we looked it up and he he retired or
did they did not do not finish? Yeah,
he fact it so I don't know. I think
you're finished at the end of the year. And I don't know if if they want me back? No, I'm,
is it for you? Because that's where it like, if you if you delved into Seth Godin stuff? Yeah.
Not always atheists or ethos of being picked. and choosing yourself. Well, yeah, that's young begin to choose yourself. And that's what I love about you guys. You didn't wait for a company to be like, Hey, can you guys do a daily podcast? Yeah,
being funded by SCI incubator.
You do the same. You're a content creator.
You know, you're learning how to do editing and things like that. So you're picking yourself in many aspects, and then you work for a company that decides that you are the one? Well, I'd say earlier, I don't choose myself, but I choose my content. So I kind of go Hey, radio, I've got a great idea. And they're like not and I'm like, Well, I'm still gonna choose it and do it over there. It's on Evernote. It's on Evernote. And so in that sense, and I liked it, the shameless girls. They mentioned it on one of their podcasts, there will be like the same pitch to Mamma mia Mama. It was like not not well, we're not going to wait for my mirror. podcast one to choose us. We're just going to choose ourselves. Yeah. So I'm big subscriber to that. I'm in the reverse oddities we'd kind of going to work on I don't know if these guys want me. Yeah, if you get a sense who's gonna send me boss? Yeah. So um, yeah.
I mean, in the best interest to make your feel like you there next year, so you rock up feeling good. Because
once you know, on the first day, this year, the in the meeting was like, well, it's the last year of the show. And I was like, Okay, cool. I really want to contract so I was like, okay, that's interesting. But that was that was a different say day. Yeah.
Lots of changes, though. Your co host is about to have a battle. September bad. Have a Baby. Yeah.
So who knows the long distance relationships factor? Yeah, dog BJ dog. BJ. If Bridget is always not pregnant, we've been trying for a long time. So that would be
I've heard rumors. But yeah, like I'm really thought about and so first off if I didn't know what I was doing the following year, yeah, ever probably. Yeah.
Well, you're in March. So you've got a few moments. Yeah. Well,
someone said to me if you don't know about October the answer is nothing.
They don't tell you
they don't tell you just get to November go. Yeah,
just let us know when you frame that back. Yeah,
that's interesting. I would you crumble Josh not knowing like feeling
because I couldn't that's why I don't think I could. That's why I don't know if I would do the whole thing because I reckon I would just be like, I think I'd probably go
Yeah, good question. In this risky though. Now.
We get it we have we know like even if we like hitting a brick wall, at least we have control over like the pace in which we're going to do it. Yeah. The the idea that the the unknown so feels like we can keep building keep building and it's this momentum. Yeah, I would feel like the unknown of whether I'm going to be there next year, would add a huge amount of drag to the momentum. Yeah, well, yeah. I'm like envious of guys like yourself. And Michelle and I forgot her and all the other girls named Zara Zara. And any people and lots of people over the last Christian just quickly show Yeah, and I'm, like, jealous of those people. Because I would love you could do it. I could, but I like it. so lame. But I like a routine. I like knowing what I'm gonna get paid next month, we could give you a routine you can get we can guarantee how much you get paid is what?
You'll be able to win whatever you want to work. Yeah. And that's the one selling point. Anything radio is that you can wait whatever you want. Yeah.
I mean, what's the what's the thought around stepping in? Could be a sidestep to get forward step. In terms of
Yeah, we kind of mentioned that in the last episode, where it's sometimes it's tricky to get your life stuff off the ground. And you kind of think if I left the company, I can go and do all this great stuff. That'd be impressed by and want to hire me back. Yeah.
Which is still the thinking of wanting the person to pick you for doing the thing. Kinda, I guess. Well, I said, pitch to them. I don't want to.
I'll just do it over there. What have you learned about pitching? I've never pitched anything. And I'm not good at pitching. Yeah, I need to get better. Because why will have this big kind of concept. And sometimes it's hard to explain if pin lock if people are likely wants to be big and different. It's sometimes it's a lot easier just to go small than what we know. Yeah, sure. And sometimes it's, you know, you can scare people, I only know this and you're pitching that, you know, I don't and I sort of go get a bit.
This is time if Korea as creators of having the idea in your head, being able to community being a how to communicate that to someone before you do it or doing it. Having the skill to just be able to do it. And then show somebody go Look,
I told you so that's my without the attitude. I told you. So that has been my unofficial, like, I've just gone and made stuff and then go, I can do a version of this again. And I can't tell you how many times I've pitched to a radio station. They've gone Oh, that's not for us. I've made it on Facebook, and they love that hour. And they're like, why are we involved in this one? Yeah, I pitched it last week. And
it's a strength you need to build I think, because it's a I think it's a newcomer or I don't I'm not there yet, because I'm still come from that time of guy. Look, if I just started working, I could show you what I mean. Yeah, versus being able to show them or communicate the things that need to be communicated.
Or my video income has come from someone going I saw this video about this. Can you make that same sort of thing? But with us? Yeah, yeah. And so
which loses creativity? No, I think it loses been made to.
Okay, so you order in that they go we just liked we saw it out in the road doing it? Do your style. Yeah, that's what you want. If you came to our business, and could use anything that we've got to do something similar, what would you do? And then you pitch the ideas, which is a lot easier. And what I've said to some people, because I've made lots of videos from Sam, and then I've spent lots on others and made zero. Naka, why would you spend the money in life because people see the one that you made? Yeah. And that's when and that sells the next job. Yeah, Lucky can't be a TV station that just plays ads. Like you have to get the audience and the ideas with the programming. And then you so true. Yeah, I heard Chase Jarvis, talk about how you've got like, if you have always built like small sculptures, that's all you've ever built. It's gonna be hard to go to a client and say, hey, I want you to give me a bunch of money, you know, like, build a big sculpture for you. Yeah, you really have to like spend your own money, build the big sculpture, show it and then say, Hey, I can make one for you. Well, I don't there's a lot of YouTubers who want to be in effect filmmakers, they make short YouTube films. But exactly just said, I reckon it's hard to justify the life of going. I'm a YouTuber, check out my stuff. It's great. Let me be in charge of a 400 person crew and make a feature film. Just like know, you've got experience doing that? Yeah. Yeah. But like I said, a lot of people get into that, because it's the entry to film and probably is, but you're out somewhere along the lines, there has to be some faith. Yeah, I
mean, there's there. And then there's a fine line of going challenge that as a creator, and go, what does that actually look like? If if anything early dies, you you land jobs, and then prove to yourself that you can do them? The hardest thing down the track is the money, the budgets are huge. The promises are even bigger that you're making. And so I think this is between Josh and I, it's like, I've made a lot of fucking promises that I haven't known that I could fulfill. But I just knew inside that I could do them figure it out. Yeah. And it just it's a it's the decision down the track when you've done a lot more and you're speaking to bigger people, the fuck ups on you go, which could ruin our business? Yeah. And so we were like, how do you do that? If we want to make a documentary be funded to do it? Or just do the documentary,
find it yourself and do it, we fund it yourself. And then hope that when you say I want to make a different documentary, remember how good that last one was? Yeah,
about cancer. And Teresa's motive, like you can draw motivation from being paid for something. It could be a driving force. Yep. So you get some funding might not be big budget funding. So you could put together
modest budget funding? Like why don't you just do it yourself? Yeah,
I mean, there's all this The thing I always say the opposite? Yeah.
Because it's always true. Well, I just feel like what's the, you know, what's the quickest thing that we can do to actually test test something, right? Because there's a level of bullshit in any project where you like, actually don't know whether it's going to be good or not, like, that's part of the part of the processes and make it and then we work out whether it's good. And so part of it is that I would just like to take that arm to some myself because I'm like, I'm caught like, I believe in what we can do. Let's let's make it then. Maybe we sell it to you a little bit further down the track for more money rather than you investing early. It's probably not too dissimilar from bootstrapping, versus taking venture capital. What's the idea? What's the biggest thing that you'd love to do? The two of you guys, I guess it depends how you describe because doing a daily podcast as a whole is? Yeah, particularly
in effort, but like he said, What did you actually think on the daily talk show stuff? When you sort from the outside looking, you know, what we're doing? Where do you sort of position it? what came to mind? Do you think? Is the five days or is a bit? Like, is it a waste of time? Do you think for us? We haven't missed? We've done 360 406
episode? We haven't taken a survey breaker, like we have literally was here in Christmas. And I was like, when's the Christmas break? And you know, well, it's strange, because it's not all wearing bloody sequence tops. And
it's nice. It's not based on the content. But your point of difference is that it's every day, lot, which is a weird point of difference, but it kind of makes sense. That's what the show is called. Yeah, these bodies and I think people would be like, slightly impressed by that. And it isn't really one of those can be quite you there. People would be slightly impressed by that. JOHN, when stuff gets crazy, and people are gonna go fuck how they do it go. Those guys rolled up their sleeves chose themselves and do it every day. I hear stories like Kobe Bryant had a day off. But every day he would go and shoot hoops for half an hour.
The outwork everyone else? Yeah. I don't feel like I'm out working everyone else because
we get these times we were like turning off is turning up is more than half a job. And you guys turn up every day. And I always do free throws on the weekend is where the work boy. So I like that. And I like that I like anyone that's doing anything. And I think what cripples a lot of people including me a lot of the time is you could spend an extra year trying to figure out exactly what it is. Or you can go let's just start and we'll figure itself out if you I guess in theory it probably still is in three years you look back Go fuck member and then say guy used to come on, we still let him in the room. Now look, his is a Kairos.
away don't even remember his name. But what I mean, what if you were to do a bit of SWOT analysis on it? or looking forward yet where it's all going? What do you think like if we were to actually because part of it is like, we could just do more like we could do seven days a week. That's one thing that we're talking about and working towards? Or it's like, we could add other components? What can you add at this point? Like what can we add to the show to actually make it better Laura, and what might work? And this is just off the cuff. But I am a business consultant in the world. Yeah, I'm obviously you guys a great at making videos, both in LA storytelling, and also just the visual and technical stuff. And I don't see why there's any reason why, just like radio stations tried to do is incorporating like, obviously we're filming the episode now. But actually doing stuff out on the street. And because it's a lot easier to sell a video than it is to sell sponsorship for podcast. Yeah. But leveraging the audience you've already got, I'm sure there's fun videos and stuff, you can do that and that would be a revenue driver. And just another way to be visible. And you never know, similar to the 711 thing, where I was credited as being co host on this podcast. Well, you never know that this before the show, actually, we like you never know what someone's entry points going to be. So videos have a tendency to spread and go viral if they if they can. Whereas it's rare that a podcast episode unless a one masterminds a joint that
we use. It is a sure way to lose your job.
I'll do it.
But um, I know that this might be a way for people to find the podcast. Yeah, I'm just doing great. So I think that's because you've already got the skills are I can that's it an easy way to explore and monetize. I reckon Okay, so if I were to do a video today, I have an idea.
I bought this item. About four years ago, when I was in the US. I like to buy something for brain when I when I go away, but not like the obvious not not the obvious sort of shit. And so I was in this store. And I found this thing. It's a running parachute.
And so it's
one of the most stupid purchases. Yeah,
so it's a running parachute. Anyway, I thought it would be perfect for Mr. 97. to strap it to and see how he would go running down easy straight. It's supposed to be a bit to make, like resistance training isn't Yeah, yeah,
it's meant to be Can I just read something that's on there. So I saw that it's still a brand. And I looked underneath. And it says warning, this product may contain a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm
were just donated. The thing is, that is not an edible. In California, they have them ever go to Disneyland. Yeah, and actually have sign sign these alcohol cancer if you're in a bar or whatever. They'll have signs there. So anyway, how do we feel about making a video now we'll go downstairs? What does it mean? Because I'm curious to say it Yeah, I guess. Like you what, what does the audience want to see? How do you serve them? It smelled I need it. I mean, I watch it.
Absolutely. We definitely use it for what's it for its for me and it's
to get you to purchase Josh me. What's
I think we've only maybe we can put the sequence jacket on Mr. 97. runs with a parachute and the sequence jacket, high
end quality content to get used to the jacket. I'm never gonna wear it again. Before we do that, with your weeks, do you find that the the start of the week you feel certain way then by the end of the week, do you have like, hung over not hung over? Well, I'm just feeling like, I noticed that my moods depending on the week sort of flows through. Do you find that on a Monday you're energized during the Sunday? That's when you have your existential crisis? what's what's like it really depends what's going on. And it's a lot different now that I'll leave alone competitive Bridget, because the weekends used to be like picnics and it is and
just in Bible Tinder and fireballs. Yeah,
sounds a bit different. But I know just depends because I usually use a lot of the weekends to film stuff that I couldn't during the week and stuff so I don't work full time every day. But I work I do something every day. Yeah. So the weekends weekdays it's also the same to me so I don't have that. You don't get a sense of like you man, the way you feel on a Monday versus a Friday. Although the hours is hard. Like the first when you wake up on Monday in your for it's early. Do you wake up early on the weekends? Well, little bit. Okay, but not as well. And just the pressure of no alarm like it really makes it easier. Yeah, yeah. So what do you TJ, what do you recommend do on the different days of the week? You have a different Monday I'm pretty fresh
because now I don't drink this. That's not factored in.
Well, Gary Vee is big on he's whole you know, if you just living for the weekend lock check yourself and like if you guys are enjoying what you're doing I'm sure you're not getting to Thursday just been like
fuck, I can't wait for Saturday so I'm Get the fuck
yeah. Because I am the other way around. You wouldn't get the Sunday night and go all I have to go and do a podcast tomorrow. I do get excited on a Friday though, when I realized that it's a Friday. Like it's
Friday. Right? But it's
also like, they're not. Now there isn't unfortunately not yet. There is a like we implied like a lot for you.
So we got, I've got to program them all. But now I feel like I felt it. Last week that on Thursday night. I was like,
Oh fuck, it's Friday tomorrow. Yeah.
And that was that was a song. That was a good sort of, no, it was a good vibe. It was like oh, yeah, and then I'll I'll still work on some stuff. But it didn't feel like a real like
it's truly an embedded in us. Yeah, think about school all those days. You like working the week working towards the way
do you get paid the same cycle? Like I remember when I was working at the radio,
when you paid how much you paid 1515
grand every month? And do you find that I remember that. Within the radio station, especially when you start to go down the junior roles people will run like running out of gas real tight and this from the 10th of the month. Yeah.
It's real time. Yeah, and the craziness is so I often by live run does like Uber Eats for the whole team. There's eight of us on the 15th or not anytime. Like during the mornings three times a week we probably get everyone toast teas and coffees on a break really will be gone guys do it. Yeah.
This is like because I know your mom's in my pocket. Yeah, there's some shows that they've got a budget for that way down a bit on well i don't know if i was any budget but I'd argue I'd rather spend it on the show Yeah, but I do notice that a lot of the producers and stuff like that really shout between the start of the month from the 15th the 15th getting involved as well they're involved blocks away started offering and after a while that's probably I never say that on the
which is fair enough. We should we could do that show toasty be coffee with
Mr. Nice and he will knock your socks back nearly every thing we offer I did hear under his breath. He said
pie few fucking eggs and then oh
god panelists you shows I do but not when I'm in Melbourne. Okay, so we had a new panel up last Friday and this morning. Yeah, so I've been in Melbourne for a bit. So a new panel up went smoothly, which is good. You just point out them when you want something played on kinda the tricky thing is with you know, I have some songs have the extended intro. Yeah. And if it's like a 32nd intro, and you can feel it wrapping up, I'll kind of fire the song and keep it low. And then if they don't, and so I'm sort of like, yeah, and then and then you get to the end of a break and you go anyway, that's coming up next.
And then it goes
yeah, sure. But apart from that, it's pretty it's pretty easy. We're not an overly production heavy show so it doesn't make a huge deal. Yeah, handling and stuff but it is sometimes it's some fun to be had that you can't do and you know panel. Yeah. How do you like being the panel? Ah, it's very minimal at the moment, but I do want like what I'm excited for is when we get camera switching happening and we have multiple like, well, you're not gonna camera switch off the desk. Mr. 97 years, my most important statement zoom in on me. Exactly. It would be it would be nice to be able to do that. No, but TJ made out of pressure
on Mr. 97. Yeah,
there's a lot of pressure. Man, he's running CHANNEL SEVEN. And you guys Hey, you you learn you learn how we actually he's going to sit in on 57 Byron and watch that show again. 11 I was actually just about to say before he said that I was like you should come into SEO morning. Yeah, yeah. Be right. back. He should do though.
say Melvin that was about 15 different breakfast shows as this morning. Really?
What we need to realize we need to get him to Perth as well. You don't see show you stand in the middle of sem Albin. I'll be like this triple m Sydney. Yeah.
I'm in Perth. There's a moto in Adelaide, I think and there's a fox over there and triple M and yeah, the 10 shows within block visible
Yeah, make it to make it to Metro and then do the shot from wherever you want. That's what he's Kayden Italy. Yeah,
he's pretty crazy, isn't it? Well, the technologies that set some heavy precedent so when I say I've got a gay wedding, yeah, I need two days. A wedding? I'm wearing a jacket. Yeah,
it's hard for network to let Carrie do her show from home yeah. from Katie from Italy and then say Ryan, you can't do one show from Melbourne. Yeah, the acoustics seem crazy to want like the the Carrie big one I saw a Instagram post and they've got like just sticking stuff up on the wall trying to like time like you've got these expensive studios. Yeah. At sci fi multimillion dollar studio. Yeah.
And then just people
can you stick it to combo box against the also sounds such bouncing. Yeah, it's
Mike, thanks for coming on the show always feel better off of the business advice was actually I really enjoyed that. I like it. Yeah.
Tommy liked it. Listen, I didn't
know I liked it. I enjoyed it. I think you get I think it's a like when you actually getting sure on more things and much more.
It's a fun process to actually talk through this shit. Because you got in your head, we talk about it. And then when people ask you, you can actually talk the truth. Yeah, energy making it up so much along the way. Yeah, early days. And so those questions six months ago, what?
One thing I am envious of, is that like, I don't have a business partner, and I would love a daily lock. What do you think of this? Often? I just spent time thinking about it. But you got to be okay with him saying that's fucking listening. Like I need some help with ideas, but you have to agree. Yeah, you gotta you gotta What did I say? I was gonna say you can't have your cake and eat it too. Sure I can. You can have your cake and eat it sometimes. But sometimes I'll say no more. Okay.
taken last night, how's it You did a 45 did you all know what to do anymore though? How was it moved? It was it was hard for me because of the hours Yeah. Is Bridget still doing it? Oh, no. But she went at Tavis for one night she's ripped she looks unreal. Why during harvest What does that mean? She's a winemaker. So she's carrying barrel she's walking up and down ladders she's in the fields for hours just walking around peeking like it's a physical job.
I'm saying hey read shots but they're on your account you're posting a rig constantly
I couldn't believe I saw for the first time in five weeks I was like oh my god
five weeks Oh hot yeah
wow that's a long time Yeah, I had it was the longest stretch just gone
What can you say right now that will definitely get you fired so you can come over and say more often now Jackie don't
bring the pressure on in October
didn't have the pressure when you saw Bridget and she was looking hot to be like fuck I need to go and do something other than laying on the couch at home. Well no Chrissy was there.
When you when you go to when you're in Perth on your are gonna go I mean daily rock I'm gonna be stocking feet again. That's five years in a row that has no way you were an athlete. Yeah. So can you explain because I think we got this at the very end
you definitely would have known this parachute thing that we've got in front of us
it's ready You saved me with that it
was a volley we volleyball beach volleyball are there two types of already applied a little bit of extra indoor was my main one. What's the actual what's the cultural difference between indoor and beach indoor beach? They've got
that that that that?
beta is fun there's music playing you don't have to have shoes is whitelist injuries because the whitelist clothes Why couldn't you just do beach and seven oh, he didn't have a beach close by Yeah, I lived in Melbourne which isn't a huge beach area and I didn't live near the beach and also it's sort of I'm not that tall. I'm only six foot and when you can afford one or two small guys in a team of six but when you It sounds like you're making a sacrifice having Yeah, we'll bring this short pretty small there's different positions so I wasn't a heater or a block on way I was a setup which you setting it it's sort of like the quarterback so you're setting it to the hitters and stuff. invade your everything you can hottest most everyone does everything in between. There's no positions in between door there is okay. Sure. Yeah. So the center is sort of like in cheerleading, you'd be the one that we throw into the hitters in the I guess the game is they've got their blockers, you've got your needed, so you gotta kind of maneuver
that around. Did you do it? international level? Yeah. Yeah. So I played in for Australia and Serbia and Europe and then a US college and then applied in Malaysia and French Polynesia for me. That's, that's crazy. Yeah. Did you actually did you get any bad injuries or? Shit? Yeah, I've had three shoulder shows.
In fact, this finger is fake. See, that's got it. Oh, I feel it. Yeah,
I got a fake.
Fake. What do you mean the thing before I touch so i.
So I broken like 10 different times. And they said there's more callous and sister than there is bone in there. So we're just going to take the bone and replace it with they got a little bit of my wrist. And then they got coral because coral calcified. So they got the coral bit of my wrist. New finger and you can see there doesn't quite bend.
Much awake hip as well. Can we give you a
nickname? I feel like the ready for some of the Great Barrier, man.
can you ever go to the feeling or is it gone? Yeah.
What does that feel like? Holding hand on a
single finger was a single. My hip I like up sometimes it's a small sore hip because that's not. Yeah, but as we're in the 21 when I got it, I was like 80 year old nine year old eight year old 21 year old so I was very popular.
I really I've seen the photo of you in the wall holding hands. Yeah, yeah.
He's ripped. Yeah,
six foot. What can you run into stuff? Because I always see people where it's like, yeah, I've had like six reconstructions of different things. And now I'm running a marathon and it gives me it actually gets me excited because I'm like, hey, I've got like, nothing wrong with me. Maybe I could do it. When I walk to the bathroom in the morning. It sounds like a hip hop concert because it's just cracks. Oh, really? Like every
day? The answer is yes. You can have a full name Rico and come back in final season. Yeah, I don't know what you'd play another season of the podcast. Yeah,
so you don't do any more volleyball? No, I the injuries caught up with me and I'll sort of not that good in that. Do you push on through injuries so you can play in the third division in Belgium for 10 grand like I wasn't going to be worth it anyway when you say some AFL players and get off as a bit of pain but I could earn a million Yeah, but for me it's like who's making a million a year doing the beach volleyball sorry, the valley in Australia there's probably 1015 guys over 100 grand a year and probably three or four in the mills Yeah, my ego went to high school with me he'd be in the mills Thomas is merely
who had where's the cash coming from
Europe? three biggest spots in Europe for basketball volleyball. Really food Yeah. And so they have like sponsor deals or something like Spotify for a club and you know, that's the Italian ladies the richest league in the world and that's huge.
What are they? What's the tournament to these events? Like
in Serbia played in front of 15,000 Really? Have you got photos or something?
Well yes, I've got
a brand though was there and like because I feel like if I was a volleyball or applied at that level, I would be only volleyball guy yeah. Never interested in being a coach. So when you start playing and all that sort of it was pre social media so I wasn't like on Instagram like Yo, I'm Rhonda volleyball guy show I kind of Yeah, finish that up when I was 23 because I talked about like the Olympics and shit there's like orgies that go on and shit like that. It's all true. Is it like 100% Really? Yep.
Anyway you talking from experience or
no? I never got into the Olympic team but even I'm guessing if that's the Olympic team then like if the Olympic level we're thinking you got all these little
and there's a bit of a you really dedicated to doing it and so when you finish like you might finish on day nine of the Olympics it goes in 15 days you just hanging out for six days in the village Yeah, what are you gonna do
not have sex with a hot Polish? You said you say Usain Bolt is eating KFC and having sex well they know anything.
KFC the hundred meter sprints towards the end where's the swimmers as always at the start the swimming some of them finish on data and then they just bad at that and then you got Ricardo?
Swimming. Yeah, I really am water polo girls. I know what
I get the good core strength and stuff the Polo. Yeah,
he just had water sports.
The chlorine or something? Put Mr. 97 in
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