- December 8, 2019
Pete Shepherd joins us for Weekend Banter! We chat about the turn of the decade, social media, the power of writing, and we workshop Harry’s nickname.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– The turn of the decade
– Virtual conferencing
– 2020 plans
– Posting on social media
– When do you lean into your blindspots
– The power of writing
– The Sunday catch up
– Harry’s nickname
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 540
Wow, good. Solid number to have paid shipping back in
97 How many minutes says I haven't done the
cheese cheese? I've got a bed for them. What is this called? still be held us w holder. Thank you. How are you still in the building final day for you hearing a feeling that's good.
How are you? I'm very tired. Well being boy had
been working me. How
has your week been paid? Pretty
good. Yeah. pretty solid. coming to grips with the fact that it's December.
outrageous. I mean, but you could be thrown with the weather like it's still winter has have the coaching business guy go well, what's what's something that's been coming up with clients this week?
This week? I mean, that's a trying to catch him as you
know, I'm just curious to know what people's people's time Is that if I sing like I wonder if these are reoccurring theme Do you see that?
Not necessarily I've haven't really thought about it though to be honest I wonder if I was talking with a colleague actually or a friend of the office that I work at who's also a coach Frank and be like well I won't colleague and will not really colleague cuz we don't work together we just happened to be in the same office so friend and she's a coach as well and she was saying that she feels like a lot of people are losing their marbles because approaching the end of the year, new decade and all that stuff, I was like, I haven't really noticed that as much but i think i don't know i don't know how you guys feeling
anything? Is it just your coaching quality?
Your clients under control,
you know, say come December if you usually shoot your pants, well, this coaching will keep you keep the shit and the decade
thing is I never even considered it out until like a week.
Right? So someone said this to me a new decade. What are you going to do? I was like, What do you mean? 2020 Oh,
we do anything for 2010 though. When you were when we're entering 2010 we went like you decade.
I mean, two years later was a great year 2012 2000 the 2000. Do you remember
what you were doing? I don't remember. I don't
remember myself specifically what I was doing. But I remember the narrative around like, y2k. Yeah. And the computers were going to essentially take our minds were going to fall out of people went flying, because I worry that drop from the sky
fair, I guess like it because it was all had to do with it seemed so practical in regards to. So basically, computers help the planes fly. Yeah, the clocks of the computers. Haven't all the dates haven't allowed for this. And so once it takes over, all those computers can be fact and all the plane, you know, I didn't go down
well, and if you do that narrative over and over and over again, you probably would be like, Well, I mean, I could fly on New Year's Eve, or I could just fly the day off to win it might
be safer. 2012 also was a year where the Mayan calendar had dated that something was going to happen. Nothing happened to be fucking great. minds got it absolutely wrong. And we all got The y2k bug thing wrong. Yeah.
So when was the last time you guys used a physical planner slash diary?
Oh, I have I use
a notepad notebook. Every day is dates on and on. No, no, I write the date at the top.
Two limiting. I remember I used it for clients when I was a PT, but it was specific to that one page. time slots. Yeah. And then if you miss a week, you kind of get flat because you've got like a blank way to just go to skip it. You just drive Yeah, it's
uh, but that's what it's about. Isn't it? Is remember back in school days we used to have. You all have planets.
But you're like a school diary. Yeah, we cut the corner. Yeah. So you guys right to it is Jamie say
cut it every week. He cut that and he just like turn straight.
That's right. Yeah. Works well, but it makes sense for doctors and stuff who want to just be in a room in their practice. Yeah, they can just taking notes. I mean, you can do it on the show. Yes. The thing is, you've got to lean into the digital space. Is there anything You're doing paid within your business that people are still doing.
by hand, I think I mean, not by hand per se. But I think the fact that 95% of my work is remote is still very foreign to people, that everything is on zoom and slack and email. And a lot of people still find that concept hard to grasp of like, oh, but if I was working with someone, or if I was a coach, I would sit down across the room from them. And I do that far more really than I do. Hop on zoom and have a chat with someone. I think that concept is still foreign
to people. You went to like a conference the other day where it was like, oh, virtual
Yeah, digital conference.
Can you still say you went to a conference?
Do you write a book if you if it's definitely not? Oh,
absolutely not. You haven't read the book.
You listen to the new Canada's listening you still listening but as
people say read it's interesting, isn't it?
You gotta say in the foreign
conferences to Fonseca. You see there's
an orifice has been penetrated, but it's just not the orifice that you would think Awesome anyway right now, that's that last.
Bring it back. Did you?
Did you go to a conference?
Yeah, it was a virtual conference, well maybe was called a virtual festival or conference. But it was, it was essentially an experiment of, can you replicate what you can get in a conference, which is a bunch of different stages, a bunch of different speakers, a bunch of different people attending, and different, like rooms or stages were available, which are essentially different virtual zoom rooms. And so I facilitated one of the sessions. And it was awesome. It worked. It worked really well. We had 120 people show up everyone from the comfort of their living room or their office. And then like in between that would do little kind of networking things where you do essentially speed data, you get thrown into a room with like one other person, and you spend five minutes chatting to them, and they get thrown into another room and you spend five minutes talking to them and you find it and so it's,
it was really cool. What's, what's the feeling? What's the difference in the feeling so you could go to a full day conference where you sitting there Bombs a bit sore so you get all these other stimulus. Yeah, so what what the D command is cognitively like wow my head I'm actually just pretty still yeah it's comfy
yells at heart you come out I finally come out really wired yeah like this was me half an hour ago and you sent me a message and I was like so wired because I just come out of intense conversations with people even on zoom I find it for some reason that like why is you even more
and what's your comfy space like what do you do I stand
I just stand Yeah, like I find standing I maintain energy as opposed to like slouching and getting tired and I find if I stand it helps just like give me a look. You think
that we could do the podcast standing up? I think we should. Yeah, we can
do that. Heaps in LA
like a stand. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah,
I've got this is definitely a stamina like it gets to a certain point and I start getting fidgety. So I start sort of just swaying both sides. I change my hand like you can see that like the 30 minute mark was, I think, affects me less potentially
Now I have to I'm sort of known in among a few friends and groups that I work with online for being the guy that's always like shuffling, whining and swiping motions to foot to foot to foot. But everyone else is so motionless. I find that like disorientating. It used to be like moving around. So how do we do it? If we wanted to implement like a digital conference? What did you learn from it? What tools are you using? How do you like? What are the actual bits that you would take from it if you were to do it? So obviously, well, zoom was the the tele conference, I guess software that we use, which worked really well. The main thing is you need a way to communicate with everyone at like in real time. So you need to be able to say to people, this thing is happening now click on this link over here, these things happening now click this link over there. So there's like a central communication platform in zoom or slack. This was separate. So this is called discourse. You could use slack if you had everyone in slack. And so it would be like an announcement. And so this is URLs essentially and you click the URL and it sends you to the right Zoom Room. Right.
Yeah. And so really cool. Was it
sort of hacking it together? Or did it feel like these systems were all designed? No felt really well designed, I think I think the the, the idea was it probably will feel really hacky and weird. But it actually felt really good and natural. And it was kind of, like, if you think about the tension of getting thousands of people around the world to come to one conference, and the cost and the flights and everything. This is like people all around the world, and sitting in the comfort of or standing in the comfort of their own space.
I mean, what do you think about being in one on one set or being in the room? So if experiencing all of that sort of stimulus?
Yeah, it's unique. It's definitely unique because you kind of look around, you're like, Oh, no, I'm on my own. But then you got we had 120 people, Jen and I did a workshop we had 100 people staring at us. Like, there was like individual boxes I ever It was like The Brady Bunch. Everyone has their own square. It's kind of cool. Everyone takes up the same amount of space. And so you can't tell how big or small or short or tall people are. Everyone's just the same, and they're just kind of these smiling faces that you can kind of scroll through.
It's pretty cool into that. Can you unmute them?
Yeah. So the the general rule is everyone's on mute, except for the person talking. Do they have to do that? Or can you mute all there's a bit of both. So they can come off, mute and unmute. But in this conference that we had, we had like admin settings to mute everybody. So there was an awkward coughing in the background, because
that happens a lot. What throws you off when you're doing a talk?
Usually, like if it's remote, or zoom, it's usually when someone's off mute, and you can hear a conversation or a cough, sneeze or like someone typing an email and you're like, that's like, just just mute that please.
My favourite was that we had a meeting with a client the other day, and every time they went in to get an m&m, it would cut to them. Yeah, I think it must have been the visual or whatever would be talking about. So I think about this thing, Bob, and then you just say
What's on the cards? I don't
know. Like, I haven't sat down and thought about new decade new me or anything like that. But I'd like to keep doing a version of what I'm doing now is essentially helping thinking about the the idea of the conference thing. I just had this moment when you're talking about all the rooms and all that. So I think I know we're still paying off our line we can Let's not talk about the shit. However South but if there was a way that South by Southwest could have
happened, I feel like you'd be right to go with.
Yeah, it'd be good for it if we're doing
physical trip to sit like South by Southwest. What do you think? 97? Is it a tie for also
exact dates? I'm thinking I might be back in New York in April. So it's popped in July, and we'll be speaking with you guys.
March 13 2016.
Your response? Is there a listener out there ready to sponsors?
South by Southwest is this super interesting festival because it's like all the hotels all the venues are taken over? Yeah. So, yeah, and so it's not like, I just assumed maybe that it was all in this one sort of conference whole, like a Vegas style thing where you sort of go and you get a map, but it's like, really, I want to go see this thing. It's on the other part of the city. And so you will, you might walk 15 minutes to get to the next one is the whole. It's almost like going to like Melbourne Comedy Festival or even like Music Week, where it's not one specific venue. Every single venue is doing it. That's little pub crawl. And Austin's a cool city. So it's so cool. Yeah. Have you been been to many big conferences or expos? I mean, Ted is the main one TEDx, TEDx Melbourne. So when you spoke at Melbourne Uni I spoke about when uni
Tech Summit was a bit bigger
is that on line the TED talk that you did not yet know they've
got to submit it and then it gets approved and all that jazz. Yeah.
That's my that's my
that was in my head. I didn't think I actually
saw a big man Why back in?
jazz behind it? It's
awesome. Yeah. The talking thing, going from the 10 thing to looking at 2020 you're saying how you spoke to set the boundaries and just do more? Yeah. What is if Seth is telling you to do more, what does
that look like for you? So the the backstory of that is I told See, I thought you were talking about when I was in New York, speaking at TEDx, Seth Godin, Seth Godin, and he's, he's making his lunch. And without, like, without even
he's painting the picture. What's he making? He was
making like a sweet potato noodle, kind of, because he's vegetarian, sort of vegetarian dish. It's delicious.
He's saying game game changes.
was cool. Yeah. So without looking off, he's like, you should do five ball. I was like, What do you mean, he goes, Well, the thing about TEDx is no one speaks to other TEDx organisers. Everyone wants to have the TEDx event with a talk went viral. And the better each time you do a TEDx talk, you'll be better. So you should do five because the fifth one will probably be more like likely that to be the one that gets popular than the first one love it. And I was like, that's a fair point. That's a fair point. So I know if I
do all the same, are they all different? Well, that's why I asked him and he was like, it doesn't matter. That's not the point. The point is to just do five tours, right?
Should I do a different things? Just do it. I guess the comedians tour a special for a year or like a stand up thing for a year.
Yeah. It's one thing you find when you start to follow certain thought leaders or speakers, or whatever it is. They say a lot of the same thing over and over and over again, just in different parts of the world to different audiences.
We'll start with why good example. Over 10 years, yeah, it's a pretty simple concept, but it takes a while for people to get their heads around it. Yeah.
The friend told me that this company paid exorbitant amount of money to get Bernie brown to come in and do an hour just do many talks. And he said that he saw in the settles. Ted Talk. Yeah. Which is like so valid. She's there and that's what they get here. Therefore, the Netflix specials aside
He's like, if you've read a books, you watch the Netflix special and it's just like her and her writing her book. I've heard all this with a few funny jokes and she's very, very charismatic. But the content is still all the same as the stuff that's in a book.
Well, repetition is powerful. So it's, I can I can get bogged down in our people saying that, but most people haven't. Yeah, most people haven't seen you do
it yet, or if they have that probably benefit from hearing it again. Because I'll pick up something else.
Why do you think we all feel that like, what do you what is that if we're worried? Is it that we're getting caught out as you're a one trick pony? Yeah,
or no, I've wondered that myself. It's something Jen and I speak about a lot is we think we need to always come up with some brand new concept, but it's like maybe you just need to repeat the good concept over and over and over again, people really get it.
It's because you always in the room when you're doing the talk, right?
so if you think about it's like, they say like when a marketing manager gets sick of advertisement, plate 50 more times because the thing is, it's like, there is so much more opportunity or cut through that happens. I guess that's the similar with Like social media, Mr. Nice Evan and I were talking about what we're going to post on Instagram. It's like, if the algorithm is getting stronger and stronger in what it's waiting out here, then if only one in six times someone's gonna say our content that means that we need to produce six posts a day. Yeah, just to guarantee that someone's gonna see I think what's
also good quality content can sort of reach many times, so videos can go viral more than once. Yeah, I posted shit. That was a good video. I'm like, let's see if this works again and it dies.
Well, that's crazy. It's like the tick tock example. But even
but even Facebook, the same video? Yeah, I should just post it again.
Yeah, what I heard I remember I did the
thousand steps videos. I I counted the thousand steps. miscounted the first time went back and realise I hadn't counted again anyway. So I came up with this. A number. I heard fav real at the number Not really. He literally master Watch my video. It's Mr. 97 was looking into it too. And he found like the the council even will like yeah, that's correct that
number really lay on sure grand doing one page.
The point being is if you talks code which it is
speaking at Craig hoppers conference in February, the project conference and he was asking the other day what I want to speak about, and I was saying, I'll just speak about the similar topic as I did with my TEDx topic, because there was 100 people in the room there, which is not the same 600 or 700 that are going to be in the room for yours. So I'll change it up a little bit, but it will essentially be the same message. Yeah, I love that. It
makes a lot of sense. You know, everyone the dance about trial, Michael Craig, I think there's a video that would go into a bit of a singing bit as when we had Michael bungay stanier on who's talking about book publishing and writing a book. I've always been You're around peytie gonna write a book. And you've always sort of push back on it, hearing him talk and all that sort of thing. Where do you sit on the whole book writing coaches thought leadership? I think if anything, it validated my thought of not writing one at the moment, because he was talking about how tedious and arduous and painful it is. Yeah. And he was like, you should just do some podcasts instead. And I was like, cool. That's what I'm doing.
So thanks for validating that But Michael,
what is it? It's the legacy media that we feel sometimes, but maybe because we've grown up with it that it is super powerful. And books have changed people's lives. But so other thing and podcast Yeah, cast have changed people's lives, blog posts and change. Yeah. And so we get sort of stuck to the medium.
Yeah. And I'm like, I guess it's maybe it's a I don't know if it's a generational thing, but I just thought of it taking so long to get out there. It's just like, I just want to be able to record something and push it, record something and push it rather than like riding and riding and Riding, riding riding.
What's your information diet been in 2019? What have you been doing? Consuming
lane mentioned on fish, fish content,
lots of fish content. Yeah. Information diet has been a sort of doodle down the podcast that I subscribe to just been good. So a lot of Debbie Millman lot of Krista tuza Debbie, Debbie Millman. She does design matters. Oh, yeah, yeah, she's phenomenal. I really like a whole podcast is great. She's probably one of the best interviewers that I follow around. So she's great. Krista. Tippett? Great. The Daily talk show boys is pretty good, excellent, solid. And that's kind of it. I sort of pick and choose the Tim Ferriss podcast based on who the guest is a bit like Joe Rogan, but I don't subscribe to them as much anymore. And then we're trying to replace a lot of that with audiobooks as well. Reading audiobooks, TJ Yeah,
pretty sure that you're not really listening.
The phone thing like I've talked a lot over the even like two years if you think about if you go back and when you retired, yeah. Retired, retired from social media
crazy. Longer stint to the new vegetarianism.
Yeah, that was
Really Was it a year?
Six months it was solid winter
it's very hard you know what no no it would have been so because I on archived a bunch of shit but it was too dark
it would have been two months no that was like six
back from overseas was November october november and we came into this office early this year March geez time and chosen that it's not like I feels like it's been this is feels like 10 years this one year
to be honest. She's been
too big one but
you have the social media stuff like I've gone back the the other way which is seeing the value in posting stuff. Yeah. And so trying to break out like with all the stuff that we do, it's like, so easy to go guest photo gets photo, especially on my personal one, right every time we have a guest on putting up a photo and all saying Yeah, and so I'm trying to like say okay, if I did a post a day,
it wasn't that
yeah, that could be Interesting. How do you find it? posting? Yeah, like, do you get the anxiety of social, the things NASA the things that I posted that I was happy about? They end up doing well and maybe serving. So for instance, on Friday I did the post of hiring. Yeah. About experience. How are you?
Reading he started
a good quality guy. I want to be aligned. There's a reason why I'm in the photo with him. I want to create alignment with those types. And I also got the new phone I want to widen the exotics.
Run me through I struggle. You've just taken a photo I
struggle so much with it, especially Instagram. I don't know what it is about the just overthinking or like the fear of judgement, when you like, put a photo up. I still have it so much. And
so it is the judgement of pizza
looking at it. I think it's a fear of other people's opinions. Yeah, and
I can give you guys opinions. It was June 19. And so when I got back on and so I the last post I had done was November 120 18. And so six months six, so
that's good as it's flown. Yeah. So and then we're in here.
But yeah, so what I did was studio in the studio
on the show you back in there.
Yeah. Babies battle ground after eight months of retirement.
Do you find the anxiety of like posting and sharing and
dead? Oh, yeah. But Martin The reason I'm saying is it about the people, it's not about the people for me. I know there's a friction point at just like the caption and then just like thinking about what it what it means to the other stuff I've been posting. Yeah, maybe it's easier if you're a fishing guy and you've just posting photos if you catch the latest catch.
And looking at photos of people holding fee
there's a lot of Instagram accounts with way more followers than all of us.
Yeah, that efficient. I just enjoyed living their best life. So I had a month
where you actually challenged me Josh from one of our walks, you challenged me to lean into social media more and do stories and post and I started doing these little clips every time we had a podcast episode, every time I wrote a blog, and I got some good feedback. It's a really nice feedback from them. But I just like anxiety and the tension I felt of doing it us like, I don't know if I could do this to
the benefit wasn't done that way.
The feeling? Not really not for me. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know what the benefit was beyond like a few people would say this. There's a really cool
that all the people that weren't saying anything, but you didn't think but it can be a positive can be negative or positive. Right? They can be the story of like, people who aren't saying anything, thinking negative things, or the opposite, which is like, there's heaps of people who are saying it. Yeah. Which then yeah, what is the benefit of more people knowing what you're doing? Yeah.
Yeah. It's a great quote. I think it's probably one of the flaws that I need to work through which is a fear of people's opinions and the people pleasing syndrome, I guess is what I would refer What else?
I mean, you've balls deep is great smile, he says into that. Like, you're the guy doing the TEDx talk. Yeah, you're the guy standing in front of lots of people doing 100 person.
Yeah. Which I don't mind doing that it's the posting about it afterwards it gives me so much anxiety.
Both date but he won't even kiss 97 the social media thing your relationship with it? You've got Mr. 97 on Instagram. When was the last post Can you pull up for
500 before we went away as she was on the plane is just before we were taking off I posted it.
That was a good luck and Carousel of images.
Yeah, yes. Good. Oh, I like I like doing caught up on a year's worth of batching it's great. You just just get a bunch of photos of the LA one. Yeah, I'll just do one post and you'll have like 10 photos. trip.
Yeah, you will. He did not will
2020 or not? No, actually it was it was in my little book today. Yeah, today. Yeah. So how you felt? So you've got a book, you don't write your little book describe what is it? Why it's literally just a checklist of stuff that I wrote down in the morning to get whatever I'm thinking about add my head. And then on the other side on the left side of it's just like, like gratitude journal and then potentially the question of the day, which is suggested by Joshua Tommy or just a question or something that I've been finding I had
been a nos haven't been told that I
was just trying to spread the
rely on someone texting a 30 without having
one on one because I do the one on ones with 97. Yeah, I will say, if there is something like have you got a question of the day, if he doesn't say maybe it could be one of them could be said for instance, we're looking at business models and all sort of things. How could be Who within your network would be interested in what we do? And then he can riff on that. And then you know, finances nice. Can you give him one paid?
Question? Good one, just trying to think
as well for lunch.
Tomorrow is a great question by a guy called Jerry colonna, which haunts me Actually, who's Jerry colonna. So he's a famous economist. He's an executive coach in New York. He coaches like colleague
or friend or friend of set, so I'll call him a friend,
right? He's the CEO, he coaches a bunch of executive CEOs in, in New York, including like the CEO of gimlet and the CEO of Shopify, I think these kind of people. Anyway, he asked this question, which takes a while to get your head around, which is how you complicit in creating the conditions you say you don't want.
Say it again. How you complicit
in creating the conditions
you say you don't want
so creating the stuff that
I don't want so I started out like I hate the fact that I'm not earning enough money.
Your hand in actually the creation that like you're creating that
what's right intellect ownership is that yeah,
that's the idea so it's on your own your shit only figure out a way to get away away from it. But that that question I think he's because it's really easy to point the finger elsewhere.
It's basically like, Monday. Monday, December we just did it awake. The celebration for the for the sort of year. Yeah.
Question to noodle on that question. Yeah, I
love it. Thanks, man. How you finding the blogging every week? I love it
still love it. Yeah, the practice of sitting down on a Sunday afternoon with no idea what I'm going to say. And then you sit there for an hour or so. And then you come up with something and you go, oh, I'll ship that even if and 95% of time. I think that's crap. But that's right. Have you thought about doing it daily? I have. Yeah, it's definitely crossed my mind. But I just I like I'd write once a day in my journal, but it doesn't feel like the sort of writing that's worth putting out into the wild. Do you take stuff from the journal and put it into the blog sometimes? Yeah, sometimes I'll look back at the wake of journaling and go Oh, actually, that's interesting. I'm not right about that. But other times it's just like, you know, garbage or gibberish or like real deep, dark thoughts.
The hard thing is like the social media bit the blogging every day, doing a podcast every day, if you were to put it on a piece of paper, and if one of the if you knew that one of these things would get you further towards where you want to go, whatever it is
97 off camera, that's what I was doing. It was laughing at I wasn't I actually was completely serious. Funny, then. He was laughing sorry.
Do you think you'd still do it? Even if you knew, like you think about, okay. You daily blog for the next year, and it will make you as big as Seth Godin or something.
Yeah. If he would do it.
No, I'm saying would you do it even if you know so the thing is, we don't know. That's the one thing we all fucking know. Yeah. But even if you didn't know, do you think it would be enough to commit to it and actually do it successfully? outcome, trying to understand because there is no assurity in any of the stuff we do. Yeah. And even if we didn't know, would you even stick it doing it?
Yeah, that's really interesting question. I think that's why we should do things that you enjoy the process. Because we can't control the outcome. I would imagine if I if there was an outcome that I really wanted, I think I'd be pretty good at sticking to something to get that outcome, but I'm trying to do the opposite, which is like an attack from the outcome and enjoy the process.
Well, I like to think that I would if I knew that putting out a video day would be the thing. I'd like to think I could do it. But I also think that maybe
if it is it, like it would be the thing,
but you kind of joined us so let's say somebody else like writing a blog a day, make me the other thing. I still think it's back with me too much.
Is that fucking with you is friction, which is progress.
Yeah. So there's friction in shitloads. The things that people need to do that probably would get them closer, but they don't do it because of the
fee that it's the wrong friction.
So for instance, yes. It's like saying it's like Kim's page saying, find the thing you love doing that you can be in the process. So you love the process,
even when there's friction, friction, so
there is friction there's things you love that have friction, which is interesting and stuff for me there. It's It's not easy. There's a lot of friction.
problem solving. But what about I
guess? Yeah, the thing around working on things that you're not good at
it. So I was thinking this recently doubling down, you know, they say, double down on this triangle that strikes at what point do you not do that? Because I think I've doubled down on the thing that I'm the these less friction, which is not scripting things being more in the moment ad lib, so it serves you to a point right, you become the ad lib got Yeah. Or you become the person that doesn't need to really have a script. You have few dot points in fucking rich media.
But then when should you lean into the written out, very articulate, and you can ship it as written or you could say it as a speech or you could you know, like, yeah When when do you sort of lean into that? When do you know? God enough? You do. I think that's a practice, right? Because I'm like you I like ad lib. I like to show up and not necessarily have a set structure on what I'm going to talk about, I might have some ideas, and I'll riff about them. But sometimes, I mean, the TED talk was a great example. It requires you to essentially have a script. And they, they coach you, and they make you send them the script of your talk, which was the opposite of how I've done most of my talks. So actually, I actually talked it and then sent it through a transcript software. That was how I wrote the script, as opposed to typing it like an essay and then reading it, which I think is what most people do. Yeah, I don't know. I don't actually know the answer to that. When do you When do you, like lean into your blind spots or double down on your blind spots, as opposed to doubling down on your strengths? I don't know.
TJ, you talked about writing. You want to do more writing you want to become a better writer?
Well, I actually think it's because it's the it all comes back to exactly real saying. I see it as a weakness. So it's not a strength. It's a, it's a high friction thing for me. Yeah. Alternatively, the other thing is not so much. But then I go, I question the double down your strengths, because it's like, at some point, there is something that needs to be a part. So you need an element of that. And so if you can get small amounts of that doesn't mean I want to write a fucking book or blog every day. That's like, there's bits and so I don't know. And the syndicating there, maybe it is just going to be a friction. Always that does create some visceral response to me when I sit down to write
Yeah, I guess there's got to be some intention behind it to write like the idea of what's it for. So it's like, I want to improve my writing. So that what like if it's just so that I'm a better writer, maybe there's not enough actual like reason to do it. But if it's so that all of the work that we do moving forward is even better or so that the business gets better because I'm writing better business proposals. I feel like the intention behind that would make you do it will encourage you to do it more than just because I feel like it's a weakness. I want to get better. I feel like there's got Some intention as to why you're on
is there some universe ality in the writing bit, which is actually writing is thinking as well. So writing isn't necessarily like some of the other things like hard skills. It's actually a way of processing and all that sort of thing, which is the big piece in the whole, I think I think writing is
thinking and processing for sure. In the same way that you've been talking a bit about, about going to see like a psychologist to talk out loud about things. I think writing for me has a similar impact.
Is that in your morning pages? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so what about the distinction between that just being sort of, you know, flow stream of conscious stream of consciousness, you know,
making it sensical.
If you right, I guess part of it is if you write an email for a client, you've had to do the work and the thinking, to synthesise and to communicate. And so then it takes the communicating the thinking That's where I think the power of writing is like using the, the transfer of information rather than the specifics of where a comment goes. That's not even what I've given up on all that shit doesn't mean anything. And so what is it then in the writing? So it's
not the grammar or really intention to an email. What's the information that I need to get across to this person? What are they said to me? So what's the stimulus? What's the questions I've asked me? Yeah. And then just formulating the
food? Yes. I mean, that's the like, the the stream of consciousness is different. You're right. So the blog on a Sunday? Yeah, so the intention behind that is not just stream of consciousness. It's like, Can I put forward an idea worth noodling on? We're thinking of exactly yeah,
cuz I can go hard on that straight. Yeah, right. Sometimes I'm rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit. fak what's that outside the shoes that, you know, you can do it, but then when it's trying to formulate it to be sensical when flow and so
yeah, it's a it's a hard one.
Yeah, and I think it's a practice. Like I think that's why I do it every Sunday, because I think every time you do it you a little bit better at it. And
is there something that doesn't come natural to you that you've identified that you should have pushed this? I like it. plenty,
plenty. I think planning is probably one of the main ones. We might have spoken about this on one of my nine appearances. But yeah, the
many minutes? Do you plan ahead? 9.6 hours
on Spotify score for the six. So I think Yeah, my ability to plan ahead has always been a bit of a weakness, I could frame it as a strength because I'm like, I'm always in the moment and I'm able to be ad lib. But there are definitely moments in time where I've been like, I really should have planned ahead for this moment. I wish I had been able to do that. And the people around me, I think that's who it impacts the most. It's why you push back on planners so much. Yeah, exactly.
We're thinking about turning Sundays from a normal weekend band. So the reason why we're thinking this, how he was saying that he was doing his HSC he was struggling to keep up he was getting FOMO and so you fall off the waggon Regards to listening to the show a bunch of people who will listening or watching through Matt de velas feature that he did on us was saying, it would be great to have specific bits, which is highlights that I can watch. That's not going to require the 10 hours. Yeah, awake or whatever. So like a Sunday recap Exactly. And so we're we're thing thinking the Sunday catch up, where it's the best of goes around 40 minutes of that type of content with a 10 minute bit. And when we say catch up, it's from the week, six full shows, finding great bits. So you
distil each one to like five or 10 minutes.
Well, nice away from trying to work that out. So do you need to represent every show? In the catch up
a highlight if there's a highlight, and it's a great bit that adds to the story or the narrative for the week? Yeah, it's a great guest like this week's been huge Michael bungay state lady reigns Also we had Jim, Jim Harry, so much been going on, and then pay and so
and so yeah, I guess the question becomes, so like, user experience, I start thinking about that. And so if we put it within the feed, because one of one of the listeners said, Will it be a separate feed? I hate the idea of having to
face too much time. So in front of the number you just recap in brackets or something. So this is another thing I'm obsessed with the numbers. How annoying is that? Apple podcasting? Yeah,
very annoying. But the question around do we think of recap the catch up? episode count as a number didn't count as a number i think i think so. Yep. Is it will have a unique bit at the start. Yeah.
Yeah. You have your you'd like you signposts at the start. You can say number there.
And so we would say like it's a daily talk show for catch up the Sunday TJ What was your favourite bit of The way Yeah, I mean you're like speights legs under the time you see them I were there and I really watch after you up because I didn't wear my shirt I normally wear shorts every single night so horrible and I had
skin on skin.
So what are we any any feedback or thoughts or what are some questions
that we could ask to get some more clarity around this I like it Firstly, I think the the What's it for feels clear, which is to help people catch up on your show and maybe you get all the sudden new listeners that only listen on Sunday, which is fun. We catch up crew.
Yeah. So you might have the gronk squad or that you might have the catch up crew.
Yeah, slightly different audience. And the other interesting thing about the Chat Chat crew is that someone might listen to the Sunday catch up, and then go back and then they'll be like, Fuck, I love the episode with Pete. I'm actually going to listen to what actually becomes an onboarding. Yeah, from last week's bits of content,
deep dive with Pay go back to episode. Yeah.
So you could leave people that are new. You could say, hey, just check out one of the recap episodes. And then if you like it, pick and choose, it's like a menu you can choose from that.
It's a really great way to finish off the week. So the
profits that come from the catch up show, do I get 10 or 20%
can get 100% for the next week.
Talking about monetization,
too busy using the company car. How much did you spend on fat Friday's?
$25 You said it was 10? Yeah, and you didn't get us oversight, and I didn't get a receipt.
It's disappointing to say the least. podcasting in 2020 for you What's been the learnings from 2019? Is that a full Have you done more than a year now? Yeah, 62 I think so just over you. So 62 episodes
a week, every week, two weeks, 62 weeks. So, learnings have been this year in particular we fell out of the habit of having a can so like handing the backlog so that we could just pick and choose. And we got into the I think the unhelpful habit, which is like, we better record an episode for this week. And doing that, which meant we weren't able to focus on other stuff that we want to do and build together. So we're recalibrating on that. Yeah, I think we love doing was episode in person. shocker, which is when you're in the same room, when I'm in New York, we can actually try and record like 10 to 15 be like what you guys do when you're in LA? So we're gonna try and do that next year when I'm in. What about guests in New York? We have been talking about that. We've got a few pretty cool potential guests lined up. How we might do like we're thinking maybe once a quarter or once every couple of months just throwing in a guest episode fact this
is contentious will Seth Godin do it under 100? Because that's his rule. No, definitely. Let me since I got
you know better than I do, I could send him a message.
Yet just mentioned that you bet on the daily tool is leverage Harry, this is officially your final episode of work experience. Thank you for everything. Thank you for having me. We've had so much fun. Any highlights and I've asked you throughout the week and you've sort of failed fast. Have you got anything? Deep? Yeah, Dave, you got this area.
I think Mark was episode was big. I know.
You did great. By the way. That was really good. Yeah,
well, now I've got a bloody post once a week. That's true.
And you gaining followers slighly ever come up with a nickname? a nickname night?
know he messaged me last night. I love the message because he's like, like, this is my boss. Because he knows he knows how to I said to 97 lines. Call me boss you would reset Absolutely not. I said maybe I get Thomas calling. But he said hi boss, and he's signed off to teenage gronk teenage chrome Shall I
thought this Queen girl called
saying teenage? teenage
daughter which will be awkward when you turn 20 but that's
okay you down for the next little bit. It'll be good. Yeah. I like work experience Harry.
pretty long though. What about
interns to deal was intern he was because he was North America and the deal for a deal he got their work experience Harry's not bad so anything else that we could call you florie
Yeah, that was a recommendation don't like that.
Yeah, we'll look to be honest florie floor manager
who said that who was somebody
that I really liked it.
Experience Harry's manager Harry, I'm a sign flow manager work experience. Harry. Yeah. has just like Harry
is like, Harry. Yeah, I mean, but that's not what we've been through.
Quite a character.
Yeah, we need to really sort of happy Harry Potter. Can very, very happy
are you happy like
yeah I'm happy you're pretty
happy you're awake seven days. How many happy
Sundays I hate Sunday Really?
strong word hate Harry, what do you Why do you hate about hating Harry? What do you hate about Sunday's?
I think it's just being the end of the week.
Like it's just been such a good week and then I've got to start again go back to go back to
the start start all over again. What if she didn't look at it like
what do you mean?
come across and say seven
days, the last day of the week kind of reframe the fact that instead of debate with the end of the week being a bad thing, what if it was a great thing? What if it was like tying a bow on a great Can you get some move on and do something for what
if he gets a build on each week? So last week was a great week and so this week's gonna be even better. So you just keep building each week just level up every week.
How do you feel about that? All right.
If it then went on like Eddie's old, I can improve my week by week very well.
Absolutely. You can always improve to read an extra book. or listen
to any bit of knowledge. Well, listen, listen,
I like happy Harry. Harry. Harry makes us happy. Yeah.
I'll be happy to swap
comes available. Can we get that? Happy, Henry? I'm sure
I can afford another domain.
Maybe our friends at venture IP can help us out Happy.
Happy Harry's renovate. Appreciate some lemonade on Instagram. Instagram. Oh, Happy Happy. Happy. Happy Harry is happy Gordon on Instagram. Oh, send him a message
Yeah, he has a happy has no he doesn't have that it doesn't have to tell you happy Harry. Be happy Harry don't call glad harry.com happy
Harry harry.io just
put it in my bio happy Harry
funny Harry calm
do happy Harry dash that
happy How are you? That's good okay we're getting these links in these like happy dot Harry on Instagram surely that
golden herring happy every dot five solid content I'm sure
why not cuz he's trying to
try to get away he needs happy Harry dot Melbourne
happy Harry dot today's available large no happy Harry dot solutions be Harry dot zone there's heaps
talk about all the domain extensions that she can get I wonder if there's adult load
happy Harry Dominic Yeah that
happy Harry dot single so
yeah so I mean the issue is so we do we need all the domain names if we're going to go with the nickname
First you want the Instagram
okay I'll do that let's do it so what's the name the happy hour What about helpful very helpful
very fair fairy wants to be happy I want to be happy happy Harry except on Sundays
yeah okay yeah love that just the core of your description we get angry Harry is a character on Sundays I'm happy
to catch up to
tune yeah can wait do like a little bit now when I got to angry Harry for a moment this is Sunday Sunday the dough talk show and it's the catch up
he gives me the shits what
angry Harry what's up
sway me guard to the supermarket and you queuing and in that argument up the next register person behind you go so next up often the person closest who's been waiting the longest go to the next register. Yeah and then you feel like you go to say something, but then you can't. Why? Well, because they know throw a punch or something
not everyone's angry that
well, even if a lock on a Sunday everyone's very good
Yes, yeah, very good. Well
just stay with happy Harry. So it's just like
Isn't he meant to be happy?
Could you be now catch up things maybe that's where we maybe Hang on. This is a great little bit catch up every single Sunday. We catch up with one other person so this is great. Three day deal. Happy Harry. We, on the Sunday we they join us for the intro and we can we might as well just do another show no match where it's 10 minutes. It's all doing less work it's about actually doing it for the audience. I think there's something in separately and three day deal we could be like how much to catch up with anything from the week he could say I love these bits I thought we could actually say to the
viewers perspective on exactly
yeah so we could we could actually get a person to take the pressure off united it was that you burping Harry?
Happy Happy Happy
97 We could even it's almost like what was the music show but rage
is another idea you could get a like a voicemail people could leave giving like a high hi guys I love this video helped me a lot. I Kimbo record have a little question or I don't want to be saying to be copying a Kimbo but yeah,
a few podcast voicemail
Yeah, but then the carrot we can have the characters on Yeah.
Okay, so yeah, we could do yeah, happy Harry joins us for catch up. And then you we tell your week in advance Harry, and so you find a few You have your favourite bits
you've got a meeting
That's good. That's good happy Harry. Thank you for that
paycheck and thank you We love you and your white t shirts. It looks great. The shorts are great.
Mocambo Do you smell good? What's that? What's that colour anyway?
Actually I don't know how to pronounce it that's the one that's be Lv guy. Yeah that one. Thank you. Do you What do you know about Boca or not because nice bread you know where I got that was you get it when I was flying in business class on an Emirates flight they give you like a really? The stuff is amazing. Sorry.
I got a candle when I was on Singapore first. Surely can't do that cannot no flames.
is no flying your let your allowed a baby horse the miniature horse 45 kg Solid little fucking Oh
yeah, it's like that Shetland pony
we saw the other day. Right? You said Mr. guys take us take us