#848 – How To Make A Podcast/
- September 10, 2020
We chat about looking back fondly with rose-coloured glasses, progression and comfortability when starting a podcast, finding your groove, and how far to think ahead about what you are doing.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Appreciation Thursday
- Looking back with rose-coloured glasses
- Podcast progression and development
- Starting a podcast
- Finding your groove
- Thinking ahead when you’re starting
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 848. Happy Thursday gronk. What's happening? What's going on? How are we? Before we get started want to say thank you to BK for his Insta story. He took a photo of the squeegee key ring. Good boy back. If you send a Insta story, after the daily talk show, we reshare it and things like that. Definitely.
That's very nice. I mean, while instead of thanking PayPal, I was just thinking this morning, as I seem to have that replay. One trick Tony was just thinking, very thankful for young Mr. 97.
Well done serves.
Just, he's the kids on, he's on three different three different types of steroids. Now he's on three different podcasts. So wait, he's really been thrown into the deep end, and just a bit of an appreciation Thursday, sibs
and blind man
Yeah, look, I will he may be blamed on the Monday it may be mine next week I don't know yet but don't um
what else are you thankful for and anything else Andy in the YouTube chat is is asking.
Very thankful for you know what? This morning Tell me. Let me let me see if you can guess what's been different about my morning, wake up, check the news in bed, went back to sleep for 1020 minutes, got back up, got back up, decided to go downstairs that night I'm going to go get a coffee, went to coffee. The coffee shop wasn't up and went for a walk. I was like listening to Hump Day replay just walking along forgot my headphones. But luckily my phone has loudspeaker so I was just pumping Hump Day replay as I'm walking.
Okay, where is Bodie?
Good. I need to pick it up. He said is that my mum and dad's place had a sleepover. Oh great. So it's a little cheeky mid waker And I mean, that's not even what I'm thankful about. I'm thankful for it, but it's about the things that you realise when you're not with the child,
which consider sort of an Everybody Loves Raymond soochow wasn't the parents across the road?
Oh, were they? Maybe now?
Oh, they weren't.
It was across the world. Well, Raymond was an adult. He wasn't a child. He's like, yeah, they put their kids in the house.
But maybe, I mean, I probably should use a reference of a sitcom that I watch.
No, but um, I was I was seeking. So then then my morning continued, I went to the park. I almost didn't like my mind. Like, no, don't do it. Don't do it. But then I did it. And I went and I did some stretching in the sun, and then a meditation with the sun beaming on my face. It was lovely, but I've had this moment right. Full circle to what I'm thankful about. And thanks for asking. We're moving into a new place. Next week, and we just
got the all clear. Well, it's
Yeah, seems to be it seems to be the handoff is done. I don't ask questions when the well the real estate real estate agents like yet you can move in on this day and I'm like, Fuck yeah, so we're just going with it, we're gonna remove those books. But it's not about that it's about how it's just happened, it stars have aligned, you could easily see it as like, you know, any place you move into, you can have that feeling that I've really made a decision in life where it's if I'm moving, I want it to be a better place than the last. And that's just like a sign of I'm, you know, putting, you know, the thought first of, you know, I want to leave somewhere really comfortable. And so it's, I'm lucky that we can I'm very thankful that this next place is better and I just fucking love it. I'm just so pumped psi pounds for I was very grateful. As the sun was beaming in my face, just feeling happy about it.
Now not to, not to quash this quashes squash or quash whatever you want might want. What's the difference between squash and squash?
Just what you think about it to be honest. Well, the difference between anywhere just what you even believe the word means now,
really what it is this there's definitely something beautiful in something representing either a new chapter or what it's going to do in regards to mood and relaxation and the ability to sort of live your best life.
Matt D. Avella talks about you know, when I get into the when I get the 50 millimetre lens, I will then be happy or when I get this, I'll then be happy. Yeah. What is your take on calling your bullshit on like, like, Did you say this about the other place or does this feel like it? Yeah, no, it's definitely felt this felt like that about this place that I'm in currently. And it It's different so the the similarity to what Matt de Ville is talking to is me thinking about the exercise area that I've got at the new place and how it's going to change my life. That's, that's more than I'm just really like, I'm just really content with the fact that we landed a place we saw it, like, I didn't really have, you know, I wasn't hung up on if we got it or not. And if you only saw
one place, right,
yeah, man, we just literally was the only application we put in and so when that I it's hard, like maybe I'm older, and I've you know, but I've got a kid you know, there's a family moving in to be different than just a snotty nosed 21 year old that I was that I, you know, wormed my way into a property through a, you know, family friend, you know, the privilege of going to a private school and having family friends in the real estate game. You know, they just gave me the property but no, I just, it's definitely the exercise area where I've even caught myself like my I'll stop then I'll stop when I move into that place, but that but i, but I've caught myself in, you know, starting to do some stuff at home like I'm starting to introduce other ones that like I've
caught myself like Now tell me the same piece of shit wherever you move.
Like no no that's good. Yeah, so I do see the trap of thinking things will be different when I have you know cue cards or when I get index cards my new bike
or your fire pit? Yeah you know well life is just the spa Oh man. Yes Byron HDS
absolutely not I'm very thankful I'm in the spa with chickens. Another problem is that it's it's something I mean, that's its main, you are the spa was like,
huge. This this this is the thing which I've worked at
you know, you learn as you grow older Josh
I was I was younger. It was a year ago. And what I've realised is that to have a spa, you need to be rich, because then you get other people to fucking look after thing for you to show it. You don't want to have to do that. And so actually the spa boy comes every week. Yeah, he I want to be I want to spa boy. Yeah, I don't want to be spa boy. I didn't mind it. And but here's the thing, even around the rich thing. We started complaining about how much we had to spend on chemicals. That's not a problem. It's like buying a Ferrari and thinking back I don't like buying premium nonie is too expensive
to choose to go fill up local shell, you know, so don't be whining about that too. You know, you're gonna have these issues with the chicken like you sort of alluded to, and the chickens are gonna cost me I gotta be careful with
my egg. Yeah, you'll be fine handing him in now what Amy's very keen on that. She's thinking a lot about it. I'm into it. So at least we're spreading the load. Bodie. It's a beautiful thing for him to grow up. You know, you think it like even the nice photos we got in the spa. Maybe he remembers having a spa as as he grows up. So you do do things for the kids as well. It's not always for yourself, but there's a lot of nostalgia in chickens for me. But you know, here's the thing, JJ, fucking mom and dad with over last week, and they're talking to us about the chickens. And they said, you know, we got rid of the chickens. So what do you mean? Like, I can't remember when they left. I just remember having chicken coop in the backyard. And I used to throw them in the air and eat their eggs. Well, this.
This is a thing with you specifically, is that you? Definitely you always have rose coloured glasses. Looking back on things like when we did New York like he was sick during you like when we went to New York? Yeah, I knew like my cap. Just gotta fucking get back to New York. You were sick.
So this is the thing mom said. Those chickens were We were prisoners in our own house. They were shitting on the deck, and I was spraying it off. And then I started having memories of me stepping in chicken shit. Like squishy in the on the back deck with no shoes on. And like, Oh, I didn't clean any of that. And so you start remembering this stuff and but it's not so i i think the memories for me is strong enough of Bodi in the spa. That override the negative ones of fact that I can't be bothered clean yet. It's a good one is literally Joanne nice,
isn't it? Because like, yeah, I can't really regret anything, because every time you look back on is like, Oh, that was fucking great.
And I guess there's stuff that hasn't gone well. It's like the the ultimate optimist has neg. That's it. There's some negativity in that there's like there is some, some qualities of that that might not be productive, like you're not willing to work on yourself. Cuz you just saying silver lining? Yeah, my, you know, I lost that predicate for a reason. Like, that's, you know, but I was
it was all made but you know, does she say hey, like, because the thing is, it's only a problem. If then, you know, it's like, you know history you look at history otherwise it will just repeat itself or whatever that fucking saying is, do you think that there are times where you look fondly on something you have to be reminded by me if I hang out you actually didn't like that. Like I know you want to go to down by a park again. But last time you chucked a tantrum.
Now, I don't think I've got nothing too serious. Nothing too serious. But you forget stuff like last night. Somehow we just started chatting about Skype. It was I who who use a Skype. How much is that worth? I kind of remember last time you Scott. few answers. Skype sold for like $7 billion Microsoft. The original owners sold it for 2 billion But they've still got 40 million monthly, sorry, daily users. Yeah. You jump to jump over to zoom $300 million users, Amy, Amy said we used to use Scott when we were in, you know, early days of our relationship. I was like, no. And then she sang the tune Doom, Doom, Doom. Doom. And I was like, the memory came back I was like, oh my god we did I remember that. It's but it's Yeah, so you it's it's a funny isn't the mind funny? The way you look back on stuff. It's bizarre. bizarre. Yeah, there has to be something trade in what you do. That is the thread so you love that enough? And so yeah, this this pleasure in pain. Yeah. And so and so. Yeah, I mean, you're the well travelled guy will travel doesn't come without headaches,
and low on the wind just yeah, just like and but also the other thing is, it's It's fucked up but I feel like for so many times I'm travelling or whatever I'm like there's so many times where it's like this will be a great story the story is better than the thing that's happening. So when nice Irene KL and there's a 24 hour delay or then we're on the on a flight that needs to have an emergency landing like all of those things like you think I could die but then always in the back of my mind I'm like this is a good story.
Oh yeah, bungee jumping for me very gently got annoyed like you annoyed No, no, I would never do it. I don't think so. But look at like the people like so like goal setting you land a goal and then you land a bigger one. You think it will be better when you're looking towards that bigger goal. Look at Joe Rogan lands you know hundred million plus dollar deal, moves into his new studio in Texas and gets trolled for how should it looks and sounds and now that we've spoken about it last night, the fine will like that. The Money doesn't solve all the problems. Yeah, and I love your you said, growth is never linear.
where you're going, when you go forward, you're so go back. It's like when we go to the like, when we went from our remote setup to the office, there are a bunch of things like I might hide and dip came into this to shot. I don't like this too sharp. And the thing is, is that we know that's like, you know, this is, this is what happens is it's like you can't just always as much as you just want to be growing, growing, growing, growing, growing or like improving, improving, improving. Using the Joe Rogan example, he had that studio for a bunch of time where he got comfy. They worked out exactly where the cameras were, they got the nuance they got, you know, set up to a point with it and you can't, you can't hack that and the only way to get to that is time in the seat. And the thing is then when you change the seat, when you change all of the different things when you're having to worry about Different tech, you have to relearn it all again. And that's that's like with us with going from audio only, to video to then going remote to streaming to having guests, like all of these things become doing two days. two episodes a day, all of these things challenge you and it's like starting again. But I think that that is Yeah, that's like the growth bit.
Yeah. And then it's just like I see it so Theo von, there's a couple of big podcasters that have moved out of La they've been comedians you know, got profiles and shit and they and they're all saying the fan writing on the wall and escaping. So Theo Vaughn's gone to Nashville, and you watch his podcast and it's hilarious. He's got he's got cardboard on the windows behind him taped. And then you see he's got little Sam things like sound acoustic panels taped to the wall. He's got some kid that he doesn't know it's it is hilarious like he's using it as gi yeah and it's like as good but like you just say even him he had a studio here this fucking amazing murals on the wall and the winners push through the winners continue and and take a hit to their ego or you know like put themselves in the firing line for criticism. You say that comments no no no sound quality this mic fuck off your 36 subscriber YouTube channel loser like
where he's at sub loser?
I appreciate because the pain doesn't change I think the pain we feel is probably a pain that Joe Rogan's feeling right now not comparing ourselves but pain is comparable is the financial situation and audience is not comparable but so what what changes The experience can feel the same for people of all different levels.
I think that part of like even the coaching and support that we've been doing without network, so other podcasters like one trick Tony in too much Telly go one trick Tony's new episode landed today, too much Telly her episodes come out every Tuesday great episode next week as well that you just recorded with her the the coaching that we have to do around people getting into podcasting is realising that you will have this spike of interest in on social media. Everyone everyone loves a launch like launches a sexy launches that like it's like, that's why I love saying put it in the calendar. Because putting it in the count like putting the calendar you get fucking fired up and then when it's when it's the date that you said it's like you get fired up. And so what happens with 99.9% podcasters is your launch, you'll get a big, you know, bit of noise on social media. And then it sort of dies down the reality, you'll see the the downloads will be going up, or they might be sort of staying the same. And there's people listening. But it's not, it's not the thing where every single week you're going to be getting the same amount of noise that you get in week one. And so that's always, that's always a massive learning for people is it's like, you need to be willing to do this for a long time. Whilst not that many people are responding or reacting
differently and then there's the that sort of external noise and internal noise. You can have the cheerleaders internally saying my FACA what you're a champion, you've done this. You said you couldn't do it. Now you've done it, but then and then you're like, you love your show you love what you do in that case was great. But then it gets to a point where you can even like my Brother is speaking to me last night. And he's got a podcast. And we, we've chatted to him on this show before he started probably 300 episodes ago about how what he's facing what challenges, you know, in the creative process, and into doing like, 10 episodes, he's feeling the feelings of what am I doing? Like, what is? What's the meaning of it? Like, what, why? What kind of guests should I have? And as you know, he comes full circle, and he realises that it's about keep going, when I say we might just keep going, look at all the things you've learned since even speaking to all these different types of people. And so that's the the trap is that the noise can be too great in those times that you don't even listen to the advice of yourself, which, you know, the truth is, if I just keep going, I'll learn more like if you just to sort of do a brain dump, you would realise the things you've learned. And, and it is just about the capon going in. So I feel like, there is not not everyone wants to hear that though. Like, I find moments where we're beating the drum of longevity, you know, see, this is a future play and, and good things come to those who stick out like all truths. But then some people might not want to hear that. And so we're not we're not for them.
But it's also I think that part of it too is that that is a value system or something that's bigger than just a small idea. This is like avoiding like listening to external forces or noises and for a lot of people, because podcasting is shiny and sexy and all of those things now, it's, it's, it's going to encourage a certain type of person who actually doesn't fit the mould of longevity. So if you're wanting quick wins And going viral and being famous and sorry, Tony, if any of that I do believe you're gonna be famous or shiny, yeah, any of those types of things, it is going to be a hard journey. If you see it as a development tool and say, Okay, this is the new, you know, radio, they call it SCA caught at the talent pipeline. And it's, you know, you go to a regional town and you and you're there for a few years, and then you go to another place and like, this is you can create the show that you could be doing in 10 years. But it just requires first, that you put in 789 years of just showing up every day, learning a little bit more building upon your ideas, versus this sort of quick thing because what's going to happen when you get the quick thing if you get if, if all of a sudden it does do well. All of a sudden you do have people you know, sharing shit on Instagram Like, what does that actually mean?
Hmm, that doesn't mean much when you get into it, but also you will forget, wherever you were at, you'll forget the early days because you're so focused on how you feeling now. So you progress and then you feel a bit yucky in the moment, even though you have progressed, but you've forgotten the times, like I remember working, like getting up at 4am to go into channel 31, where I would do this segment, sitting on a couch, you know, talking on camera, and oh, my God, like thinking back to the now like, I remember feeling that pain of like, Oh, I don't know what I'm doing like all of that. But it doesn't change a great deal moving forward. It just shifts where the focus is. I'm not thinking about, Oh, I can't talk to a microphone net. Like it's just a different thing. Our it can't be be as big as It's all like, we're not like a problem just shifts. Yeah. But it's dealing, how we process it. And so it kind of has a link to that. Looking back on memories with fondness. I look back on that with fondness versus the pain. You know, because it's like it. Maybe some people hold the patent like band aid. It's tough. Don't do it. But it's like, Yeah, I don't think it helps people's journey of you know, confronting that pain.
I was talking to Mr. Nye seven because I found some audio from when one of the first times he was on the podcast. And it's just you said, He's just talking in his chest the whole time. Yeah, it's just like a little bit like this. And I said to him, like, what is that? And it's like, he was talking about the the uncomfortability in himself, not just like, not just on a show perspective, but when you're 19 years old. You're like, Still trying to work things out. Like there's just a. And the thing is you don't necessarily realise that you don't know what at the time because you live in it. But it's not till you then see the progress. Like the thing is, it doesn't feel like I don't feel like I'm necessarily improving day to day when it comes to this podcast. Like I feel. The story that I've told is that I'm talking the exact same way that I spoke in Episode 123. Like, that's really how I feel. I feel like that like you listen, and yet there's a difference there. But the actual like, the psychology of it, or the remains the same, like I think that when not necessarily like I don't feel like I'm necessarily in tune with. Am I comfortable? Am I uncomfortable? I'm just sort of doing it and having a crack. Does that make sense? Yeah,
I mean, yeah, yeah, but there's like you you lifted certain weight, like getting to 100 kilogramme benchpress was a mental thing as well as probably strong enough to do it. But then, now that I've done it, I'm like, I can, I'll do that. And so then it's about it's not easy. It's still hard. But you don't have that mental thought of, can we do this? And so the equivalent for doing a podcast the 50 episodes anyway, I can do this probably more. So now that I feel like I don't even think about Can I do this? If I'm just like, great. This time, I'm going to talk about this or, you know, takes me much less time to work out what I'm going to talk about today. And so but that's, that's just repetition. So repetition in anything in life means that you lose some cognitive load, and you can focus it elsewhere.
Yeah, I mean, I last week when I was on Insta, I asked him what, who wants to who's thought about starting a podcast? Just send me back a Fire emoji just because I wanted to see who and what and just to get a sense of where the space is at with 30 people that that sent me back the fire emoji that want has been thinking about starting a podcast
and I like to kind
of individuals surprised you don't even they say that yeah
I don't know I think like um it's it's not necessarily it wasn't skewed to like x broadcast people or anything like that it's it's just people with normal jobs normal that like not necessarily experienced in entertainment that won't want to do it. And I think that like there is an exciting it's
not fucking peacock Tommy jacket putting his hand up.
Just there were definitely some peacocks. But the But yeah, I just I just thought that that was interesting and and then I was thinking how many people will do it? How many people will transition because it's if you look back at sort of old school media You had to audition. You had to be picked, you had to be all of these things. Whereas now, you go to a, you know, podcast host, you know, like a place where you start your podcast, put in your credit card details, and you and you've got a podcast. And so
confronting, I think, for a lot of people, because, yes, you can do it. And so if you're not doing it, the thing that's holding you back right now is you and I think that for a lot of people that's really confronting.
I'll just make one caveat there. It's either you or it's Asha ginsburg. Exactly. Because he
he didn't never forget.
But also it's
even if it's not necessarily you, it's the it's the it's the stories that you've told or someone in your life has told you where it's, but it's not it's not true. And so I
think that that You, you are capable, you will capable. Yeah, is the point, which doesn't mean that you won't have any of the experiences that people who feel like a fraud or an imposter get when they do something. Because you
most likely will. That I mean, that's the whole point is it's like, yes, you can do it. Will you be great and day one? Probably not. But that's like, that's the only option you have. And I don't know many people who were great day one. And so that's like the other thing. So it's a there's a willingness to fail and be shooting. I think that potentially it's harder for people who have existing audiences. So if you're an influencer, so someone like Telly, it was like day one. She's got a big audience. And it's like it would be hard. Going into a situation where it's like she's having to do her training. She has to develop Learn in those early days in front of a bunch of people.
Oh, yeah. And you could see it is, you know, being harder or being more scary based on you know, there's going to be feedback and you know, you're in the raw moments of doing it. It's Yes, it but then so what so you could relate this to like, Why do you do anything? Why do you end up doing something for you? Why do you think you ended up doing this like actually sticking at it? I know I'm a part of the equation, but
I think I'm realising it's like having a you realise you've got a view on your future version of yourself. And then you realise that the only way that you can get to the future version that you want for yourself is to do something now and so For me, it was, you know, like, especially with it, you know, being an employee somewhere or just like, for a long time, I feel like from, you know, the my early 20s to sort of my mid 20s until I started my production company in a more serious way. There was a sense of building, I never felt that I could be the full leader that I wanted to be I was always like, defined by the role that I was in. And so I realised that if I wanted to, there wasn't going to be a ladder for me, I wasn't going to climb up some sort of ladder and I was never going to fit if I got to the top of the ladder in regards to sort of entertainment or whatever it is in that sort of traditional media. I still would have felt out of place and so for me it was realising of like, ah, I don't like what is currently out there. I know when I want Do I know what I think other people should do? And so then it becomes this choice of like, okay, I've just got to do it, build it put in the work without the sexiness of. I don't think that we're like, We're not trying to build the next Facebook or the next. And so that's I think that the problem at the moment is that we look at the billionaires, we look at Amazon, we look at Jeff Bezos, we look at all these things. And it's completely fact with people's perspective of what success is, and should be. And so I think that what we've been good at ease, the narrow, like a narrow focus in just, you know, not not being attached to previous story. So that guy who's like, you've got 12 k subs, and you've got, you know, a $40,000 studio that doesn't connect that doesn't connect for him, right? But like, the beauty of it, or what I loved is it Like, yeah, like it's not meant to make sense. Like, if it makes sense. We're probably following an old narrative. That's, that's not relevant right now.
Do you think it has to make sense to you? Who's doing it?
Yeah, I think so. Like, I think that someone along the I mean, it depends. Is it? Is it a? Yeah, old stories versus new stories, but then also the fact that things are going to change as well as you go. So for instance, the story that we told at the start is very different to the story where we're telling now, don't you think, Oh, 100%,
but it's a different belief and even what you're looking to in the future, there's things you realise from doing the thing so you get a year in then you, you have, you see things differently. And so we didn't see it like this, that beginning point
and also, I think just Testing and learning like we think what we have done better at is, as we go saying, or this is something, you know, like we've said previously, like we've had conversations two years ago where we're like, let's, let's do the daily talk show. Let's focus on that. Let's not have any other podcasts. And then we evolve. And we realise the opportunity, not just from a market perspective, but we can. I think that we underestimated the value that we can bring to people as well. And so what has been great is it does feel like at the start, there was just a serving of gronk the community you listening right now, and now it's expanded beyond that. It's like we can do that. And then we can help other creators do that find their audience, and there's no I don't feel any go around needing to be the biggest if that makes sense to like if we can help a creator find a bigger audience than what we have. that's a that's a massive win. Hmm, definitely.
You like Yeah, no, I 100% agree, I feel the same, I feel the same. Because it's, um, you end up it like that's aligning with your values or where what you're wanting to do. So it could be Valley could be community and working with great people. And so, as a result of that being a focus, we we can help someone else build a big community and audience and so it's still Yeah, it's like, it's having kids have kids pretty proud of what they do.
Yeah, I think the other thing too, like we were talking the other day with a creator around the start the difference Between the start of your podcast journey, and then as you go on. And so when you start doing a podcast, the podcast is attached to you, you are the podcast. And then it's almost like a bubble, like imagine like a bubble that is attached to you through soap or whatever. So you've created this bubble it's attached to you. But then you start putting in the work and you put in sort of, you know, whether it's segments or ideas or guests, and it stopped, the bubble starts to get heavier and heavier. And before you know it, the the bubble ends up detaching from you, and it becomes this entity that sits outside of you, you built it, you helped create it, but what it means is and that bubble can become bigger than you as well. But the beauty of that bubble is that there is a detachment between you and the bubble now. And so when you get feedback and thoughts and all that sort of thing, I think anyway, from our perspective We can look at it and say, No. Yep, completely understand where that person is coming from completely and it doesn't. It doesn't feel personal because there's enough that's gone into it, that it's become something that's not just us. It's not attached to us. So any critical feedback doesn't feel personal. Hmm.
It's important because then you have an objective or removed less emotive response to to it.
Yeah. Rich in the YouTube chat said how long was it before you guys felt like you started to get your groove? What What do you think the answer is?
I reckon. Oh, like you literally could tie this year really, I feel this year, to be honest. And like even at 500 think about the feeling of doing that live show in the news and like, I feel like that's weird. I feel like I maybe I feel like a wouldn't feel like that because I hadn't experienced it yet so there was a new experience of something we hadn't done weren't sure if would work and doing the sec
I mean, we were like, the SP will fucking like, hanging out the green room like I can't be like fuck you got to go out that like, where it's like yeah, I think like right now it's there is a comfortability to all of these things where it's Yeah, I definitely think coming off those two like so doing doing two live shows I think that the distinction between the live shows Episode 500 That was our crew that was, you know, 75 gronk, who all came to listen to the daily talk show, sort of an intimate, intimate sort of scenario. And then you had the SP which was a fundraiser around the fires, and that had other people that had other communities, other podcasters communities at the app. venue watching listening. And so there was a pressure there whereas I feel like now we've done those two extremes that you can you can see that it's like I would feel comfortable on stage doing our thing. And not having this same level like definitely still butterflies not so thing but not the anxiety of our fact this could this be go real bad
800 episodes is a good finding your groove after 800 episodes, no, but to be honest, it's like it because it's not what is funny and groove. It's like, a lot of things feel like aligning together. So the you're in the groove, right? You've and so that can be everything from the team around you, the space, your ability in doing, you know, different tasks and how long it takes you like this, so many things that need to find alignment. You can feel confident Then you're going to talk to a guest and be able to ask questions. But then, like, further beyond that, there's something in helping other people do something that helps you upskill yourself, learning by learning, learning by teaching. And so teachers out there. Yes, sure. They're not the most knowledgeable, like they're not, you know, they don't know everything, but they also have a unique perspective about the thing that they're doing based on doing it plus also teaching it so when I was 18, I felt like I knew more about I trained a lot. I felt like I knew, but then when I started teaching, I was like, Ah, that's fucking what's going on. Like, I'm seeing what I'm missing when I'm doing it. The so there's a bit of that too, which is happening
analytical, it's the analytical element, isn't it? It's trying to, okay, how do I, how do I take this complex idea that I've, that maybe I've sat with, and so there's a mindfulness element, and then there's also the element of seeing podcast is going through the same things. And the other thing too is the meetings, the conversations that we're having. We're having a bunch of conversations with individual creators. And what we're always surprised by is how even very different creatives are all having the same issues. They're all having the same tension, the same friction. And it's sort of weird at the start that we start, it's like, are we projecting this onto them? Just be quiet, then you just say like, what's your biggest challenge? And you just you don't sort of elaborate or something else and you realise it's like our fact like, it's, there's only three or four things that are stopping every single person. And it's, you know, Do I have anything to say? Why would people listen to me? What if it doesn't work? All of these things are universal and it doesn't really change. It doesn't matter whether you're one of the biggest shows in The world. What you're out there a little bit? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Or I just want people to know it wasn't me mid sentence, or, you know, someone starting out for the very first time.
Hmm. Yeah, it's a journey. But then it's the ultimate question is how do you end up being up for going on the journey? Like he said, it's not as clear as getting in a car door and closing it and putting your foot down to drive. It's it is unique to every person. There's a different answer for everybody. Yeah, why you end up doing it?
And I think to like everyone's path is different. So for us, we do have our production company, we have our video production, which is I feel very grateful that we've had that because if we would just trying to make a podcast work at the start, it would have imploded Because it's just like, how do you make, it's unicorns that can get that working. And I think also that quick growth and the success, there's a bunch of learning that you'd never have to do. It's a different type of learning. But it's a bunch of learning you don't have to do. Whereas with what with what we've created over time, is it has been this evolution of it started off. So we set it off with our video production offering because that was very easy for us. And two years ago, when a client would come to us and say, Hey, can we do? Can you do a podcast for us? We would say no, because we're still like, we've got 10 years experience in video production. But podcasting, we've had two and a half like we, in the grand scheme of things at the time, our podcast stuff, we had a lot to learn. And it's only, you know, June, July that we've actually been like, hang on. We've now uncovered all of these processes and systems and why of working that we can actually benefit people who want to start these things. And so it's just like, it's amazing to see how I can see the difficulty for people who are starting a business day one, and being clear and saying, This is what I'm going to do when then doing that, without thinking about the reality that two years is a very long time in regards to growth and personal growth. And your business could be in a completely different area in you know, from from where it began. Yeah,
yeah. And so if you are getting started, how far along Do you think you think, do you think you visualise or scheme on
I think that like, it's definitely one. It's the one force in front of the other mentality, I believe, I think it's the speaking to Georgie boy with Hump Day replay, it's like, Wow, I can't believe I met you know, X amount of EPS or this or that. And so you have to, you have to do that if you look too far ahead, you will get frustrated and you will get annoyed because you you will see the gap, you will see the huge, the huge leap that still needs to happen. Whereas if you just look step by step by step, episode by episode, making a promise to the audience and making it happen every single week or whatever that shedule is the you know, you'll get to a year or two years and you'll look back and you won't know how it's happened. And to me that ism is a much is a much more palatable, much more sort of, it's easier it's but also I think it's got a higher success right in trying to go for some big fucking launch, you know, this big like this You can get to a certain point. But then everything you do after that to try and make it better, is going to have a very small impact. So once you get to like an 80% like there's only so much like it getting a better design if you're if you're if you're like stressing about your podcast artwork, we've changed our podcast artwork three times over the course of our journey. And it's not like we've spent the least amount of time on it, like it And the thing is, if you're obsessing over, I can't launch until I fucking hire an agent design agency who's going to, you know, don't like it's all it's all a distraction from getting it out and doing it iterating changing. So I think yeah, it's the, it's re re looking at the launch. I think that there's so much and you can see, you can see online how that becomes the thing. That's sold into it's like marketing, right? Like it's um, how to how to launch like how to do the perfect launch, and people bullshit and they'll scheme and they'll say, it's got to be at this certain time and three weeks before you need to do this and then you need to fucking do. It's all made up like this. The thing that is that we can promise you is required to have a successful podcast is show up on day one and release a podcast and then do it the next time you promised it and you keep doing that and doing that until you look back and say, well, I've climbed this massive mountain. But there's no there's no, there's no way of helicoptering you know, getting in a helicopter helicoptering in to the mountain and gaining the sort of growth you would going through the actual steps required, yet
you still feel fit as an Fit is fun. Exactly. Yeah, man, that was a good climb.
Right. I mean, the copter. Love it.
Yeah. But if you want to send us an email, we're sort of we're working on some. We've obviously we're building out other podcasts for the network. But we're also helping businesses as well. So hi, at making podcasts calm, it's the early days of the website, but we're sort of building a resource where people can learn to podcast, but then also, we're working with some great brands now, to sort of take some of this stuff that we're doing and helping them do the same. So if you have any questions or whatever, happy to like, elaborate on that stuff as well.
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