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Tommy Jackett: [00:00:36] podcasts? Uh, no, none. And I am. I am, uh, Theo Von comedian.
Um, what does he talk about? Oh, I mean, he goes just the most random shit to then. Some really sort of, um, deep, uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:00:54] does he really do? I can't imagine him being a deep
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:56] guy. Yeah. Well, he heads, he people very smart people on his podcast. But then it's like us, it's a mixed bag. Yes. Like sometimes you get just like a, a freckle in your, um, lolly bag.
Yeah. Other times you get a Sherbert, you know, you never know what you're going to
Josh Janssen: [00:01:11] pull out. Uh, and so today we thought we would, it's like, what could we do? That would be a bit of fun. Yeah. Thank you for all the emails, hight the daily talk show.com. Got a lovely email from Paulina. Thank you for sending that through, uh, today we are doing.
Uh, we're going through the 20 questions for humans by our might cry CAPA. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:32] Great book, little, um, it's almost like a little hand guide to life. You wrote this a few years ago. Um, and it's great on the back. You've got all the questions and so we're going to go one for one, and Craig has answered them in the book.
Uh, and so if you want a real clear, succinct quality answer, you're going to buy the book. If you want, uh, you know, a grown cancer, a mixed bag, you get to get it. You're going to get it.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:58] Well, what he says is when we ask high quality questions, We're more likely to make better decisions, embrace healthier behaviors, think more logically produce better outcomes and change our life for the better this book was written for that, uh, that reason
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:15] literally, yes, I caught a Craig hopper.
I said, um, uh, we know what to do, but we don't do what we know. I mean, he didn't come up with that. He says a lot. It's great. It's it's it's logic.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:29] And the idea of this book too, is there's a whole, your note section. So like you can, you're meant to be writing in as you go about what you take away from.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:36] There's one thing about a nice book with a note section. I panic. You don't want to ride in it. I'm almost. Yeah, because I don't trust myself that I'm going to, you know, like I don't. It's like, you're going to be messy. It's great. But then I'm like, there's only a limited amount. What if I blow it? And I wonder if right.
You know, I'm over thinking it. Am I over thinking it? Uh, who wants to start with,
Josh Janssen: [00:02:59] uh, I can ask you a question. Yeah. We're going to go from the top though. Yes. Great. That's what I was going to do, going to do. It did sound like I was just going to
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:07] do random. If you asked me randomly, it would be over. We'd miss about question one.
And there has to be, we only have a small amount of time to answer. And if you don't just don't talk, like don't just go for it. Sure.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:19] Okay. What's my life telling me, what is
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:22] my life telling me? What is Tommy jacket's life telling me, um, upon the, uh, we don't, do we know what to do? We don't do it. We know. Um, A great example of that is, uh, sticking to that.
Exercise that head, uh, head health. It's a new way of saying it. That head health habit. Yeah. So the difference in getting up in the morning, going to the gym and meditating is not ideal. I didn't, I slept in when yesterday going tonight. Um, but say, I even say that, but I know I should do it regardless in the morning, because what it does is it sets me up.
So my life is telling me. That I need to stick and have that routine rock solid. Haven't missed a day of meditation in years, but even when I leave it to the last minute of the day, I still confined it. Like I just make it. And so what are the difference in getting it done in the morning? My life is telling me that I should get it done early so that you're not trying to catch up.
By the end of the day and having that vibe, even that energy towards doing something, just making it, I don't like that energy. I like having made it because that means I've succeeded in, um, showing up and sticking to something. Okay. Any question for me? Uh, what am I, number two, what are my core values and how do I live in alignment?
So core values. And how do you live in alignment? Core
Josh Janssen: [00:04:51] value? Uh, Not, uh, not following the status quo, I think is a core value. Uh, how am I living in alignment? I think that I'm constantly questioning what I'm doing and, um, I'm, uh, yeah, I'm skeptical of common advice. Okay.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:15] Um, just to elaborate on that, what is a core value that is more.
Personal too. Uh, you just you're. I feel like that's one to following the status quo is like looking at how other people view what you're doing, but what's something to Josh Janssen, like a personal one. Like it could be like a trust or it could have like a core
Josh Janssen: [00:05:41] value. So you don't think of that. That's a core value.
I
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:45] think it is. Um, but I want like a personal sort of like a. Um, you know, the people you surround yourself with, like, what's a, what's a core value from, I guess you could, you could look at like, um, that could be work-related right. Not falling status quo or like career or business. What is, uh, a personal one?
Josh Janssen: [00:06:09] Uh, yeah, sure. Let's have a think.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:13] It's a hard question. This is the thing about this book. It's a simple question, but it's hard because I always am a generous guy.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:19] That's a great, I've gotten a lot of pushback in generous driving, which the thing is, this is why I'm wary of saying the values because, uh, I do they're they're personal.
So what's your version of what generosity looks like. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. So a core, like, I think it really like a core value is around, um, like creativity. So thinking creatively, um, uh, yeah, I think that that's the, that's the main one. If I think about like virtues. Well think about like, yeah. Yeah.
I dunno. I think, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:06] with your first answer, I think creativity asked me
Josh Janssen: [00:07:09] a second time once. Bingo. No, I think like, yeah, it's a creativity. It's, uh, internal, uh, Yeah, ask questions. I know that these don't seem like value. Curiosity is a value, I guess. And so curiosity is a big one for me. So it's curious about beyond what the norm is.
Curiosity around. Uh, people are complex ask questions, I think curious. Okay. I think both spot on for you. Uh, why do I self-sabotage
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:40] um, because, um, things that things are painful. Because I might be experiencing some, um, some mental pain. And so you sabotage because that's easier, but it's harder on the other side.
So if you're feeling shit and you drink, you're hung over the next day, it's, you're actually in a worse state, then a worst state to deal with. Any the struggles in the, you know, post sabotage state. Um, and so why do I do it? Why? I think the sabotage is the easy go-to for a lot of us, it feels like it's the easy option, uh, or the most obvious thing.
But yeah, it's it's yeah, it's this, I mean, it can be a cycle for some people. Sabotaging is like, it's always what I've done when, when, when stuff is going bad or, um, you know, it's, uh, sometimes it feels good to sometimes
Josh Janssen: [00:08:47] as sabotaging ever served you,
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:51] um, Well, I think if you, if you've sabotaged enough, it could be, it can bring you to the crucible moment.
It can be like I've done too much of this. Caught myself. The mirror, I
Josh Janssen: [00:09:03] guess, is the difference between self sabotage and sabotage as well. Like
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:08] I'm referring. Everything is to myself like sabotaging. So it's like, you, you, you want to be healthy and you, and then the next minute eating a bag of vitamins,
Josh Janssen: [00:09:17] it was a sabotage last night.
What is the, what's the definition of sabotage? Because I, I think the thing is that like, is sabotage the result of the thing or sabotage
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:28] the thing. Well, sabotage would be that you, so in reference to wanting to live, wanting to eat well, this is just an easy guy to know. I want to eat well and, and I want to change my body.
So that's the outcome I want. And then you actively do something. That he's counted to what you
Josh Janssen: [00:09:50] wanting. So it's an out of alignment thing, but I think what would be interesting is, is this, so self-sabotage, I guess, anything that is out of alignment with what you're trying to do would be self-sabotage, but I wonder if there is a sabotage that actually works for you.
So if you think about the creative process, creative processes about breaking things and rebuilding and doing all of that, is there a version of sabotage that actually serves. I guess self sabotage, no, based on, you know, self being your goals, where you're aligned to a sabotaging that knock, right. Well, if
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:25] you were in a, a project with a bunch of people and one person sabotages the outcome, then that's like a self sabotage based on it not being a collective, uh, conclusion that we want to sabotage things.
So it he's always coming up to seven
Josh Janssen: [00:10:42] times. So someone like. Sabotaging a relationship that they're in because unconsciously, they don't want to be in the
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:50] relationship. Yeah. And so that's self sabotage. And so when he's, but so that sabotage though
Josh Janssen: [00:10:55] is like a version of serving them because they're like, ah, They don't have the, the willingness or the consciousness to yeah.
To do it in a way that's very direct. So you end up doing it, you end up getting to the outcome that you want purely by sabotaging the position that you're currently in.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:15] Yeah, yeah. Definitely a hundred percent.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:18] So, yeah, but I guess like, you know, so for instance, self sabotage on the food thing, um, you know, like, you know, being out of alignment with that maybe, um, Maybe you don't want to do the thing, like, so like maybe you don't want to exercise.
So if you don't want to exercise and you're sabotaging the, um, you know, your, uh, your alarm or whatever, or you miss the thing or whatever, like you're getting what you want and know there's sabotage sabotages and you're seeing what
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:50] it is. It is, it is an interesting one. Uh, okay, next time. What's the best question I can ask.
Uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:11:57] the best question I can ask is what's the worst that could happen. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:07] uh, uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:12:11] yeah, especially at the moment where things feel dooms day or whatever it is, uh, it can be an easy way to, to get
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:19] perspective. Yeah. I like that. I like that. Okay.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:23] Number five. How does the other person see this
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:27] great question?
Uh, almost links back to what we talked about yesterday. Yeah. Margo, um, multiple truths, uh, multiple realities, um, different, well, I mean, yeah. There's and so how do you answer that? How does the other person to say this? I think it's a question to ask in anything you're doing. Where you, uh, having, um, your actions or, or your, your
Josh Janssen: [00:12:54] so we're contextual question, but do you have an example that you could use?
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:58] Um, uh, so how does, how did Margo see it? The conversation where we had with about Mr 97 and the changes to our business, um, people could, how, how, uh, how does the other person see this? They don't say it the way we do.
Josh Janssen: [00:13:16] So I had to, they, so, so I guess it's a way of getting empathy and
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:20] so all. So I don't think it's actually needing to embody and then shift your way of seeing something into the other person's way of saying something, but just like the perspective of realizing that the way you view something, isn't.
Necessarily the end. So yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:13:41] but what is it like, can you try and enter into it? How does the other person say this? So if, if you, if you take away ill intent from, from say a negative comment, what are they trying to do? What are they trying to articulate? Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:55] So you could look at. They, uh, trying to communicate that we have, or I have done a bad job at communicating.
Uh, I, or, uh, you know, you could look at it and I did, I misspeak in the way. Hi, I articulated that. Um, did, did we, when we think about the, well, if we say, okay, that conversation about Mr 97, we did our best job at articulating the truth. Oh, w w the outline what's
Josh Janssen: [00:14:27] that? How does the other person say this?
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:33] How does the other person say this? They, I mean, th isn't there enough to take out of it, that there is a different way that they are observing it from. So then what I'm connecting to is my truth is not theirs.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:47] And I think that, that there's a version of actually entering into it, like, if like going into their shoes and saying, okay, Like they've said this thing, what are they seeing?
So they've seen something different.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:00] It's hard because we're not, it's probably not the best example. There's probably a clearer one. How does the other person say this? So if I did something, so if I actively did something, I'm just trying to work out. Um, how does the other person's is? So
Josh Janssen: [00:15:17] someone's saying like, you've lost me.
Yeah. Like, you know, referring to
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:22] let's have an example. Once I got into the car and I had a seven 11 coffee in my hand, And you fucking got pissed because I didn't get you. What? And I was like, in my mind, I thought, Josh, it's like a seven 11 coffee. It's $1. I was like, I'll quickly get a coffee. This was two years ago.
Yeah. It was two years.
Josh Janssen: [00:15:41] We had a five 30 from the, from your place. And so you get into the car. Oh, can, Hey man, you got your coffee. I was like, Right where the
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:53] fuck is my coffee, but you got real shitty. And if I, if I asked myself that question, How does the other person, the other person sees a selfish, fucking chill, chipper bloke.
Who's fucking, just raring to go. And I could've seen, maybe you felt off. Maybe you were like, I, all I want right now is a coffee, but he hadn't even articulated that yet. Uh, but you felt like that. And I didn't, I didn't consider. And someone else's selfish. So I'm sorry, but that's how you get to understanding.
I think that question leads to empathy, um, for the other person and what they're going through or what, or just their, their situation or they wide viewing, because I could easily just say it my way, which is a story. So seeing it your way, seeing it your way versus the person's way is the story that you've surrounded that event with.
So, I mean, yeah, I like these, the thing about these questions or they can go so deep, you can just keep asking, um, for you, Josh. What's my, why you don't
Josh Janssen: [00:17:00] getting the riff? I think, uh, my, why is, it'd be funny if he's done easy, hard, easy. What my, why is to work out? Why I'm meant to be here in life. What's my purpose.
Um, so it's, it's actually, rather than, uh, having the why my job is to understand how I fit into the world and what I can, what value I can bring. She makes sense. Um, or do you think that's not answering it?
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:42] I th I think about the people who answer it, they're like my job is to serve people. And this is the
Josh Janssen: [00:17:50] cliche.
I think that I just don't want to enter into. I don't actually, uh, so like what I'm, I love making things so that other people can relate to it. The reason why a lot of that is self-expression. I want to like express myself. Mm. Um, I like that it can help other people it's. Um, I think that I would be talking shit if I, if I was to say that, like th there's many other things I could be doing to help people every day.
And so I'm wary of just saying my why is to help people at mines. My why? My, why is, um, is to. Makes sense is to make sense of life. Like that's really what I feel like I'm doing every day. Um, and so on the purpose thing, uh, the. Yeah, I don't, it's not as clear as like, okay, I've got a clear answer. I'm doing this.
It's actually, by the end, like through the process, it's not like a thing where I arrive where I'm like, I've worked at my, why I've worked at my purpose. It is the process of doing it every day.
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:03] Yeah. And do you think that if you had. That one liner, I guess like a business before you start it and thinking about its values, do you think it's worth good
Josh Janssen: [00:19:14] while I've worked on it with enough people worked on enough projects where we're filming some, people's why, uh, and then seeing them being completely out of alignment with their why.
And so I'm really. Jaded wary to virtue signal. A great answer where my why right now feels like figuring it out and understanding where I fit. Um, and so that could be in. Uh, doing creative, like, so what I feel like my, why is, or what the, the mission or what I'm trying to do, it's constantly express it, the creating creative stuff that people can enjoy.
But I think, um, the thing that has changed over the years, I think, um, uh, has gone from doing it for other people. Uh, to doing it for myself. Like, I feel like with my work, I'm really doing it for me, if that makes sense. And so by saying, like, say watching, like the Billie Eilish taco, you get the sense of like all for fans and it's like trying to, I don't feel that energy.
I feel like I would burn out if I, if I was to do that. Yeah. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:33] she's young. What's my change. And that's, it can change your why can change. So whatever you say now, conjecture.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:41] A question for you. Question seven in 20 questions for humans by Craig Harper. Who's a qualified human and you're on
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:48] the daily talk show.
Thank you for joining us. It's a real radio racist. Sorry. Did you not like it? No, I quite liked it. I just had to point it out. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:56] What's my plan. Question seven.
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:58] What is my plan? What's my
Josh Janssen: [00:21:01] plan. Tommy jackets joining us.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:06] Plans. Uh, there's there's I think there's multiple plans at play. If you're enjoying this
Josh Janssen: [00:21:11] to hit the like button subscribe
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:13] on your favorite. Um, what's my plan, multiple plans at play. We've got business plans, um, personal plans, uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:21:22] your plan. So I think it's interesting that you say we a lot. What's your plan?
What's my plan. What's my plan. Answer it for yourself.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:30] Um, what, what comes to mind is strapping strapping. The seatbelt on for life. Life is a lot of things out of our control. And even the things that we feel are in our control. There's still a version of those. Like why you like what you fucking like for food?
Why you haven't stuck at something? There's many of these things that are unanswerable.
Josh Janssen: [00:22:02] And so what's your plan.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:04] So I don't think in my life I've had necessarily a plan that is strategic in a one pager or a why that is crisp and fucking succinct, like petty shepherd. I don't think it's in my nature necessarily.
Now Pete's also figuring it all out. When we ask him he's a coach and he does think about this stuff. And he said, um, meaningful work with people, you know, like, and so he has got that and I get it. I get it. Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:22:35] But there's also the context of work. Why your company and then personal
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:40] stuff. So I haven't articulated my plan.
My plan that you don't have one. No, not in the, not in the scheme of, if you said what's your business plan and you slide across the table, the written out business plan.
Josh Janssen: [00:22:55] This is point out the point of the question, which is what is, so what is your plan? So what you've always, we've spoken about it internally, which is like, if you don't have a strategy that is just strategy and get pulled into all these different directions, my
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:09] life has played out in a way of, um, Sort of navigating and moving towards the things that I obsess about and think about what is that.
And the areas like, I think where I'm at is a, is a manifestation of where I've wanted to go. And so where I've wanted to go in the past was, you know, into my personal training career or, you know, uh, exploring the health industry. And then what that meant for me personally, and understanding how I was treating my body in that.
And then it moved into media and it was an expression of my creativity. I was yearning for doing more from a creative aspect. I knew I had it in me. I didn't know that I could do it. I hadn't done it. And so then that sort of went down that journey of the presenting thing. Like I'm, I'm relating these things to career, but they've also related to internal feelings and, and, um, and, and things that I wanted to.
You know, serve. And so,
Josh Janssen: [00:24:07] so there were previous plans, like I
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:09] think witnesses it's. So that has been building the foundation of wanting to build something that is, um, creatively rewarding. Um, Uh, he's has other people are part of it. So the, like you and I wanting to have a creative team and being able to help other people do a creative endeavor for themselves and scratch that itch.
And so. All of that has been a part of my plan that I just haven't written down necessary. Do you think you'd
Josh Janssen: [00:24:42] benefit? This is not in the book. Would you benefit from writing down this
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:46] plan? So my question to you about your, why do you think you'd benefit from actually articulating? And I think there's a yes.
For both the, you know, the questions one, do you want to make? Um, I think there is, but even so. Well, Matthew McConaughey in his book, grain lights, um, wrote a diary and wrote stuff down that he wanted to do, but didn't look at it like, but looked at it years later and it's like, fuck, I'd, I've done all of those.
And so I've been through periods of my life, where I've written out stuff, you know, every year, write down, you know, written down my goals or whatever. And I felt like when I was less successful, if I was to look at my life, Back then, and look to where I am now, you know, think, fuck, that's great. You've come so far.
When I, when I really had those internal sort of, um, itches or, um, you know, I felt sort of annoyed at where I was, I would write that down and it was very helpful. Do you
Josh Janssen: [00:25:48] think that, that your, your relationship with the idea of a plan changed last year
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:55] from COVID? Yeah. Um, I think I've literally, this week had moments where I was like, Almost like it sank in what last year was like when now that our business is doing much better, a business last year, there was no business for most people, but like looking at the work we've got on the business and actually then going, Holy shit, like the story dealing with it in the middle of COVID and not being able to operate a business is like, you just it's survival mode, but you, you, you kind of almost aren't I felt shit.
And it was hard, but it's not like the, the, the understanding of it now when you're back in work mode and looking to be like, Oh my God, duck, that was fucking touching go seriously. And so understanding that yeah, there was nothing, there was no, we couldn't have a plan. Like what? We, we did have a plan we doubled down on college.
Yeah. But that's what it naturally evolved. It's like, we can't do anything else. Let's do it. So I think yes. Answered the question. Yeah. Beneficial in writing down a plan and that plan might just look like what you want to be doing. What's the stuff you love, what aren't you doing? Y you know, like a whole range of questions that aren't necessarily like a strategic business plan.
And so, yeah, I think there's, for me more value in like, who's who, what kind of a partner do I want to be? What kind of a husband do I want to be? I don't have a partnership and a husband, not it is that husband, but what kind of a dad do I want to be? You know, how do I want to be as a business partner?
Like all these things, which I think about. And then I look at where my values sit and, and, and feeling am I in alignment with this stuff actually is the plan, but I don't have a written down Craig. Sorry, man. Okay. You're going to ask me a question. Why do I think the way I do. Number nine and I'm a eight.
Why do I think the way I do?
Josh Janssen: [00:28:01] Um, because it was the way I was born, I think, um, Now, why do I think the why I do? I think like upbringing, you know, what the, the experiences I had when I was younger, because I started freelancing when I was 14, I created a bunch of habits, some good, some bad, but a bunch of ideas on what it means to create what it means to collaborate.
And so I think I'm definitely first, 20 years of my life has really. You know, shaped what I think now the age of 30.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:38] Yeah. I mean, we are a product of our environments, which we almost have our beliefs. And to us from early stage in our life, you know? And so then of course you can, I mean, onto the second, this next question, which kind of feeds what you just said, how
Josh Janssen: [00:28:55] can I change the way?
I think.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:57] Yeah. So just on the two being handed beliefs, the question and it forming the way you think, uh, the way that I can change the way I think, um, action, you know, Um, physiology changes, psychology, not the Craig half line. Fuck. I'm good. Craig's good. Actually, I'm just repeat. Remember that. Um, No physiology changes psychology.
So, um, moving your body can change. What's going on upstairs habits, you know, can, can shift. So if I think, which is a belief that I can't stick to anything, and then I never try, um, my thinking is going to be the same in that. But if I managed to actively stick to something, whatever it be. Exercise, you know, business or personal, whatever it be that can shift my belief, which is the thinking.
And so this consumption there's, what am I watching? What am I
Josh Janssen: [00:30:00] rating? I think what you are doing is the biggest indicator of what you thinking. They think it's like, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:10] Well, your actions are speaking your, your values. So that's so how someone acts is usually good. Um, you know, example of, yeah, like you said, what, what their beliefs are, what their values are.
Well, I think the
Josh Janssen: [00:30:26] other thing too, is like, what is very common in sort of motivation stuff is it's like, it's not like you, um, a lot of people wait to think a certain way. To then do the thing. Whereas the weirdnesses that a lot of the times you need to do the thing to unlock the thinking. And so if you're waiting for some sort of motivation to go to the gym, it's never going to be there.
So you need to do it without it, to then gain it, which is really annoying. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, is it your turn to ask me a question?
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:56] My 10 question 10, what is reality? Yosh dancer.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:01] Yeah, re reality is, uh, what you think a reality is, how, what you surround yourself with and what you focus on. And so the, I think that reality is really interesting for us because a lot of things have gotten better for us.
But if you focus on the negative stuff, which we have just through ebbs and flows, like I was thinking about, um, uh, times where I've felt like this, but we forget, like we forget we're really good at forgetting the shit times and remembering the good times. So yeah. You forget that like, so when something's happening, this is how I feel.
Anyway, when I feel like I'm being negative, it feels like it's the most negative I've ever been and it's never been worse. And then I'm like, think about it. And I'm like, Okay. This habit here of sleeping in, or just like, you know, you know, the, the sings it's like, Oh, you know, I've done this before. This has all happened before.
And so part of it is reality is the view we choose to, to pick. So if it's like a three 60 view, And there's all different types of emotions and feelings. Uh, we can actually pivot and change that perspective, but sometimes it feels like the weather you are, everything is pointing you to feel a certain way.
And I th I think that that's like, what resistance is, resistance is everything is feeling a certain way. And sometimes you can be, you know, the wind can be blowing in a certain direction and you can push against it. But then there's the other version, which is you enter into it. And I think that everyone, I don't think anyone, uh, I think that there's very few people who.
That don't feel the varying levels of emotion. So the, the idea that you're meant to be like this, you know, idle sort of energy, just nor here, nor there type of thing like that, that isn't life. And so thinking about, uh, negativity as something. That's a reality in time. Yeah. I think when I think about reality, I think about time, I think about this thing that I'm experiencing now is only the perspective based on where I am right now, but it will change.
And I think the other thing too is that it's like, there's, there's lots of things that you can do, like what you're talking about and go for a walk or this sort of thing to change. Your reality, but sometimes, and this is on the sabotage thing sometimes, uh, the crucible moment being able to beat, like being able to break yourself down to then rebuild is exactly what you need.
If that makes sense. Like, you know, the, the worst, if, you know, some people are just really lucky that things don't fuck up for them. And so this is, this is part of it. It's like, um, uh, this is what, like success, whilst we can have some level of control it's if you had, uh, you could have had a business in 2019 that, um, did really well compared to 2020, where it's completely different.
And so, um, Yeah, reality is what you're viewing at this specific time, but there's no single reality. It's like Ms. Unsane in film, you've got a frame. And what you're saying is just in that frame, and sometimes it's a comedy and you're having a great time. And other times it's a horror. Mm. That was French. I believe gala I'm saying, is it French?
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:14] Number 11. This is for you. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:19] What's it like being around me. So what's it like
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:22] being around you? What's it like being around me? If I just ask myself that question, um, Uh, I won't answer it straight away. I will get to it, but I w
Josh Janssen: [00:35:32] I'm reminding you, you are listening to the daily talk show and we are reading 20 questions for humans by CRI CAPA.
Please hit that like button, or if you're on the podcast apps. Thanks for joining us. I had a
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:43] moment where I realized, um, how it was to be around me at a certain point in my life and it, and it was instantly. Yeah, very recently. I can even remember where I was walking. I was walking down Victoria street and I was thinking about me when I was a, you know, a young PT, um, all about that protein, all about that chicken breast and rice pole down the road.
Yeah, just, I, I just, I had to get my protein in, had to get it in and I used to go down to the test. Obsessed. It's how I put on 20 kilos broken
Josh Janssen: [00:36:22] Messina. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:28] yeah, yeah. Um, but I used to get a lawn in the summer time friend had a holiday house down there and there was a place called Andrew's chicken joint and it was like a charcoal, chicken, fucking brilliant.
If you're ever in lawn toric or side, Oh, man. It all, I didn't do that stuff back then. It was all about the chicken and salad to bully. Yeah. You hit the, to Bali. I love the blue train and I just had this moment where I realized that. Interesting.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:59] So you remember it, so Victoria street recently, recently you were thinking about something that happened.
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:05] Yeah, it anchors I have. So I have moments where. I, I, I can listen to a podcast and I literally will listen back to it. And I'll remember where I first heard it. I was at punt road in the corner. It really embeds. There's something about the audio journey that cements with a memory of the moment, like where your that's, why
Josh Janssen: [00:37:26] like the memory games, you can like set up a ha like a path and you go through the path and you place things on the path.
That's how you remember. It's like me remembering me asking you about. Starting a business together, new Todd Rowe.
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:41] It's an important, I love it. I love it. So that's the Victoria street thing and you have Andrew's chicken shop in Vermont. So, because I had a breakthrough moment of observing how I was to be around in that moment, which is funny, cause it's years later, but I was like my friends that I was without there.
These girls would like LA like love, I think just like getting me excited about Andrew's chicken, joy. And I was like, do you want to go get some chicken? But I was just like, Fuck. They it's all funny. Must have been a bit comedic to them in a fun way because they love me and that, but that would get me fired up and, and it was, do you want to go?
She knew real serious. I wouldn't even get, like years later I'd like get texts of the Andrews chicken, joy, like a photo and be like, The best, but it became a thing. And at that moment I was realizing, yeah. Why in Victoria street, did
Josh Janssen: [00:38:37] that come to
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:38] mind? Still getting booked down a bit? Victoria, there's literally had a moment where I remembered.
And so it was a moment where I years later realized what I was like to be around. And I could think I was really putting myself in their position. Thinking about them. What made you think about
Josh Janssen: [00:38:55] that? as you do it, like you do it to me, I think sometimes where it's like. Um, you purposefully enter into my world.
So you, like, it's a thing. I think you've especially started it this year where it's like, Oh, you know what, like I'm thinking about what Josh wants or needs or makes things easier. Like we're on a shoot. And sometimes I hate like fucking, just dealing with all the, like, I love the cinematography part filming, but the pack down pisses me off.
Sometimes we're on the shoot and TJ was like, mate, just fucking chill. Take a seat. We actually need everyone's hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To do this, like, I actually need to come if I was to sit down down, I'd feel like a real piece of work now doing it from a nice place. I know, you know, just sit down.
Yeah. But that is you active that's that's the chicken shop. That's you thinking about? Like, what would like Josh doesn't want to be doing this? Is that right?
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:56] Yeah. A hundred percent. And so. There's there's then the, in the moment thinking, which is what Craig really wants us to think about. I think, uh, what's it like being around me in this moment, in this business and, and I think it's highlighted when, um, when we, we have different.
So for, from a business context, you and I are very different. And so if I think about what it's like for. The people in this business, but it's like from them being around me and, and then I, yeah, it's, it's confronting, um, because you then realize, yeah. W w what you're really, you're analyzing your behavior.
You're thinking about, you know, how you spoke to somebody, you thinking about, um, your mood. If anything, I probably am more. Uh, we, we talk a lot about, we get met or about a lot of things. And so that is about our emotions, which is thinking about how we are to be around like the conversation after yesterday's podcast.
Um, probably was a good shift when Jess and George said, fuck you guys pressed. That's a realization that moment where it snapped me out of the feeling. Um, but into the toxic toxic masculinity, but sent me out of it. It's like, ah, you see how we're coming across to people?
Josh Janssen: [00:41:26] Is it our job? To, uh, is it our job to make people feel comfortable around us?
This is not a credit card. Is it our job? So in that moment where you change to make them feel better, is that
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:42] no, I don't think I'm changing to make them feel better. It's a perspective shifter. Like it's another one, Craig, your questions. They great to ask because they get you thinking. That's what he said,
Josh Janssen: [00:41:52] Zara, a YouTuber.
She has a great line of clothes and one of them is a jumper. Or sweaters, I would say. And it's, I'm not here to make you feel comfortable. No. Which is such a funny, like I'm wearing it at a family event, just fuck off. Just, just chill out. You don't have to argue about it wearing a sweater that says I'm not here to make you feel comfortable is really like I'm ready to fight
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:21] politics 100%.
And because I think there's a, I get it, the funniness of it, but there's also like
Josh Janssen: [00:42:27] a, I don't think. I think that for, especially for women where you feel like you have to be made, you know, this is what a bunch of women who said, like, you know, you have to feel small in the room or, you know, change sort of, you know, be a chameleon in every environment, fit into a man's world.
I guess, with that thinking I'm not here to make you feel comfortable is pushback to that. It's sort of like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:54] so there's also. Some real fuckwits out there that have no gauge on how, how they're perceived or how their actions affect the people around them. Like probably the fuckhead CEO, businessman who's making his employees, especially women feel like small individuals.
And so at that point, at that point, that question is, um, would be poignant for him to ask. And so it's, uh, yeah, I, I, we think a lot about who we are and who I am is my actions, who I am is how I treat people, who I am is what I believe in think is made up of all of those things. And so if you can just be checking on them, You know, I'm a faculty to be around.
That's
Josh Janssen: [00:43:47] what I'm saying. I am Josh Johnson. I'm joining host. Tommy jacket is the daily talk show, uh, actually could get into am. I love what are we up to 21 today? Currently 19 in Abbotsford,
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:03] question 12. Am I efficient or just busy? I don't think
Josh Janssen: [00:44:07] I've got an issue with. Uh, busy, I've pushed back on busy my whole life.
So the, the idea of like getting into the hamster wheel sort of thing, doesn't really, um, it's not a problem. I have efficiency, not great. I think, um, I think, uh, I go around like go a long way for certain things. And there's other things that I'm highly efficient on a lot of procrastination, but at the same time, very good at distilling things in to a very simple.
Process around this, this, this, this, that's why I'm videos. It's like, I'm very good with understanding key messages, distilling it down, not fucking around shooting at heaps of other stuff, getting to the point. Um, but I think, um, yeah, I think that that question is obviously going to serve a lot of the people who it's like your constantly doing stuff.
Writing, you know, thousands of emails a day. I'm not that
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:04] guy. Yep. Is that fair? Yeah, I like that. Uh, what is success for me asking success for me is a, um, I was going to say successfully managing, but I guess I can, uh, managing, uh, my, my state managing my mind. Like, I feel that navigating. Um, so, so it's not as much like about material or monetary, like in the PA, like, I think they're the.
The, the things you go to, a lot of people go to quite quickly is when they think of success, but if I'm having great relationships, um, I'm, I'm doing the things that I say I'm going to do, which you know, is probably one of my valleys of, I like, if I'm going to say I'm going to do something, I will do it.
Um, and so if I'm success, it sounds cliche, but like being in alignment with your own values, He's a version of success because it, it makes you feel sort of harmonious, you know, there's little things that are success doing meditation. Um, Yeah, assignment. There's so many little things. And so I probably thought about money recently about success and money in like, as I get older and where I want to be in having a plan, you know, having a house.
And so you see how it shifts.
Josh Janssen: [00:46:34] So someone making, and this is what I've been thinking about with the money thing is someone who gets lucky through a few transactions or Bitcoin or something like that. It's not really, you can have a big bank account, but that doesn't make you. Successful. It doesn't mean that you've lived a rich life.
And so it's very problematic assigning success with money because, um, success also is in some sort of destination where you arrive, obviously it's something that you have glimmers of feeling success, like maybe like wins, like you've had you have wins, but if it's, if you see successes having wins. It's like every day is a new game and some you win, some you lose and then your life is a sum of all those games rather than winning one big game.
Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:47:32] Yeah. It's uh, yeah, it makes it hard to answer the success thing. When you start really sort of understood like, So, if you understand that like every day is going to be a mix of emotions. So if happiness was your goal, at that point, you'd be upset because most days there'll be a version of feeling, not in the state of
Josh Janssen: [00:47:55] happiness, you know, having a bad day, you're having a bad moment.
Yeah. Well, tell that to me. Cause I'm thinking, having a shit.
I mean it's early in the month.
Tommy Jackett: [00:48:05] I think they're probably important if you're looking at, you know, some things. So for businesses making money is how you tick and keep ticking. And so there is, um, yeah, it's varying for me, bearing for me, uh, for you Josh question 14. Am I ready to do the work?
That's that
Josh Janssen: [00:48:29] sounds, that's a big, it's a big silence. Yeah.
Uh, I think that that's like the big, the big thing that I'm trying to overcome is it's like, uh, am I ready to do the work? Um, it feels like.
It's interesting because beside this, like breaking down and rebuilding, breaking down and rebuilding, it feels like, uh, I've been, I've done the work a bunch of times and I'm not necessarily where I want to be. And so work becomes harder like doing the work or doing the thing that you think that you need to do.
I've had moments where I've been like, it was like it's fucked up, but I don't think that work has an always equated to the success or happiness. It's just, that's the whole busy thing. So, uh, I'm willing to do. And I, I am, uh, what's the question. Are you ready? I'm ready to do the personal work that I need to do that I think is different to the work that others think that I might need to do or the work like I'm.
I think that at this time right now, is this internal thinking around what is the work that I need to do on myself, on all of that type of thing. Um, Does
Tommy Jackett: [00:50:07] that make sense? No, it's good. I think it can be asked to anything you're doing, whether it's changing your body business relationships, because if you think about it, it's like if you've got a bad relationship with an individual that you want to have a better one with, are you ready to ask or are you ready to be open with them and tell them something that you hate or something?
I think there's also just fucking hard. And so then it's like, yeah, Not everyone is up for doing the work. Yeah. But I also
Josh Janssen: [00:50:38] think there's a lot of people who say they're willing to do the work. Um, but they haven't and they, they, they don't. And so where's the disconnect. There's gotta be a disconnect in regards to, um, yeah, I think that it's, uh, maybe the plan, the values, all of that sort of stuff really needs to be dialed in to then, because I feel like you never work out.
Or I don't work out the, the cadence or the, the, the work that needs to be. I'm still figuring out what, what I'm here to do, what work I need to do. And because I guess I'm constantly asking, is this the right work that I'm doing? Is this the best use of what I can do? Am I, um, Am I optimizing my, you know, like a learning, I don't know.
I think like learning's a big one from a values perspective. I always am wanting to learn.
Tommy Jackett: [00:51:38] And maybe when you're thinking about, so for me thinking about doing something that I've already done. Again, so you have context of what doing the work looks like, or like you're saying, having that plan, something written out where it's future experiences that you're writing down.
So it's like what I will need to do. It's hard to keep because. This is the weird bit. Am I willing to do another thousand episodes of a podcast with somebody else? Absolutely not. Yeah. I don't. I'm not up for doing that work, but was I up for doing the original stuff? I never necessarily said to myself, looked in the mirror and said, am I up for fucking doing, you know, X, you know, X amount of podcasts, whatever it be.
Yeah. No, I didn't, but I was up for navigating and, and doing something with my life.
Josh Janssen: [00:52:29] Uh, yeah, I think that, that, uh, there's been moments in my life where I've really got a hold of the steering wheel and it feels like I am, you know, definitely have that all dialed in. It definitely feels right now that life is happening to me.
If that makes sense. And so it's hard to identify what the work is, um, because yeah, I think that it's much clearer where at, where we're sitting right now. Abbotsford.
Tommy Jackett: [00:52:57] Thanks, Victoria. Welcome. You're listening to the daily talk. It's 19
Josh Janssen: [00:53:00] degrees, um, top of 21 today now, but I think it's
Tommy Jackett: [00:53:04] um, wait with city. Uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:53:08] yeah, it's.
It's a different, it's a different feeling. So you think about reality or whatever. And so you, you know, you've got a mate who's like really ambitious and doing stuff, but you're like, Oh my God, they're a bit fucking off their chops in regards to what they're thinking they can do, but it drives them like that.
Like future driving, where I struggle. I struggle with, if I think about, you know, like we're good with. Um, you know, last superannuation, like putting it in personally and all that sort of thing. But if I think too much about superannuation, I get like so dark on it because I'm like, okay, so this is 401k in the U S or whatever.
It's like, I'm going to work all of these years to then retire or to then have this money. Like, when I think about that, I get like, A bit, a bit depressed. And so doing the work, um, is interesting when it feels like a lie fees. When you rent a position, it's almost like you, um, this isn't the best case scenario for us right now.
Don't you a great, like if, if we could have had it, we would be doing the podcast and making a bunch of money through that and doing original stuff. So we're doing plan B. And I think that that's like a hard reality, but also it's hard because, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:32] Uh, then would he feel was only ever the plan? So it's like plan, I plan bays distinguishing to call it like conceptual conceptualized thinking, which was planned.
I conceptualize thinking, which is planned Bay, but then there's life. And it is what it is. It is where you are. And so if you removed and be like, there was only ever thinking. And so we've only ever got places, you know? So you don't control where you're born. I didn't pick my mum and dad. I didn't pick to grow up in Brighton.
And so there's so many things that were never a part of anyone's plan, other than just evolution and human
Josh Janssen: [00:55:14] endeavor Hills.
Tommy Jackett: [00:55:16] But that was a weird way you thought it sounded great. I should have gone into no, of course it is. But, well, my point being is what you were saying between this is plan B. This is life plan, a plan B.
So the way you're looking at it is like, if there was, if you don't succeed, plan a, it falls into plan B, but plan B is life. Life is however it's playing out and wherever you are right now. And so we don't want that's the high bit, what you're saying is. There is an alternative reality. The one we have that we would probably choose if we could click our fingers, but that's not even real, but
Josh Janssen: [00:55:55] isn't there going upstream and going downstream so that what I felt like we were doing for two years, Well three years or whatever was going upstream.
And I got so much energy through that and I feel like I got stronger because it's like, you are like, you understand that. It's why, why, why harder, but it is, you know, that the development development that you can build from that, but also at the top of the stream, or, you know, as you go, there's so many more sort of rewards.
Now, it feels like, uh, it's recognizing that we need to switch to downstream. And the idea is that it's like, it's because we sort of reached a level where we're like, Oh, you know what? Like maybe we die if we keep going upstream. And so it's like, okay, we need to go downstream for a bit. But the downstream thing.
Uh, doesn't have the resistance that upstream. So the resistance was the thing that I loved, which was like, Oh yeah, you don't think we can do it. Yeah. We're going to fucking do it. And it's like putting in the time and it's like doing the work going upstream. I fucking loved doing the work going upstream because people like the, because felt like it wasn't the status quo, it was doing something different.
It feels like what we're doing now. There are thousands of versions, you know, and we have production companies doing client work. I don't know, like
Tommy Jackett: [00:57:27] think about there can be, if you're thinking of a river and you would a wack people in canoes or kayaks, very different experience being in a canoe versus a kayak, you know, one's very easy to flip, but the pros are in the kayaks.
Going very hard and they get great at navigating down the river with the stream. Yeah. And so if so, what's, you can be a different, there's a, so what I'm saying is the rivers going one way, there's lots of people in the river is what you're referring to, but you can be really good at navigating the river downstream.
You can go faster, you can pull up, you can navigate through, you know, um, specific obstacles like. And so there is, I mean, I think it's fun to be going down the river versus up the river because it's, so the pencil time, maybe you've built strength going up the river to then turn around and funk coast and then train in a different
Josh Janssen: [00:58:26] way.
And so I think that part of it though, is, uh, the downstream you're living in a temporary state. I didn't have any intention of doing what we're doing now for the rest of my life. Like, I, I don't, I could do what we're doing now of regional staff. That is the vision of what I want to do for the rest of my life.
And so it feels disingenuous in summer gods or your just trying to get enough. Energy again. So like the idea is, I guess if the fuel is, you know, money and, you know, successful business and also like that's the way of, so when you go upstream, you're focusing so much on your own wellbeing and surviving that you can't bring, you can't get other people to come up with you on the upstream.
Right? The only way to get people is. Uh, by going on the downstream because it's an easiest, everyone recognizes, understands it's, you know, there's revenue in the downstream. So it's like, it's easy to bring people in and all that stuff. But the idea is that you sort of in the, the, the downstream working out a plan to go.
Back up. Um, does that make
Tommy Jackett: [00:59:46] sense? Yeah, but you can spend time in both places.
Josh Janssen: [00:59:51] Okay. Then that comes down to focus. So you can't actually go upstream and downstream simultaneously. You have to pick one. And so, and that's what we were experiencing is it's like we were trying to get the fruits of the downstream whilst.
Putting all of our focus on the upstream,
Tommy Jackett: [01:00:10] but like the resistance from going up streams builds the strength to go then downstream. So then I think it's like a training. It's a training ground. You can't like you'd fall apart. Just feeling like so much resistance constantly and the energy that that can bring.
Um, so number S uh, 15. Okay. The equate, let's go hard through these last five. And
Josh Janssen: [01:00:35] this is for you. What is my body telling me? It
Tommy Jackett: [01:00:37] needs to take a piece way too much water answers, but what is your body? What is my body telling me? If I, if, if I've, um, I've got a sore shoulder, it's like, I'm tied up, up in the shoulder joint.
It's from an old injury. What's my body telling me, um, I need, um, I've got a headache. It could be that I'm I'm dehydrated. Definitely not if great question. Great question. Number six. Same. Why do I say yes when I should say no,
Josh Janssen: [01:01:09] because you don't because I don't want to disappoint people. Yep. Yeah. I think that that's like the main thing and it's, but it's also like, um, am I just looking at the wrong reality?
If I look at this, if I look at the business stuff. There's if you think about where I am now, you'd say Joshua, just say, no, just give it up, but I'm not doing that. And so what is it? There's obviously enough that I see that enough benefit in trying this other thing. Cause I haven't, and this is, I guess the dip and all that sort of thing.
It's like, okay. It's um, rather than, uh, yeah, rather than saying no. Uh, no is always an option, but I think you owe it to everything and everyone to say yes, sometimes. Yep.
Tommy Jackett: [01:02:02] Number 17. Uh, okay.
Josh Janssen: [01:02:03] Uh, what do I need to stop doing? Ooh, glad you got that one because
Tommy Jackett: [01:02:10] yeah, it's a great question. Um, I, I don't know if I have an answer right now.
Um, what do I need to stop doing? Need to stop? Um, What do we need to stop doing stop? Uh, fuck. Um, stop heated arguments with Amy around Bodhi. They don't have a match that don't happen a lot, but you see the effect and what's the effect. Oh, Bodie can like, if we're having an argument, the car or something, you can see like, like you can see it physically shift bodies' state was he do.
He might just say something like that or you see how it really affects people. And so that's, that's just something we have. We don't have a lot of them, but I really have thought that wanting to stop doing, um, question 18. What happens when I lose motivation?
Josh Janssen: [01:03:10] I think I go introspective. I go internal. I think I do a lot of thinking.
Tommy Jackett: [01:03:16] Do you think it brings motivation back? Do you think it gives you
Josh Janssen: [01:03:20] energy? I think losing motivation, um, uh, losing motivation is a sign. What sign? It can be a sign that you actually, uh, going through nothing motivation. Doesn't last fit like motivation is fleeting. Motivation is not the reason why pops goes to the gym.
By that point. It's not motivation. It's something else. And so, uh, what happens when I lose motivation, sometimes I just show up like nothing, nothing changes. Uh, but other times, other areas of my life, where I haven't built the habit, they just stop. I think that that's the, um, but I definitely, I go into.
The why, what do I want to do? I think the other thing too is I switched my focus. If I'm not motivated on something of switch my focus to something else.
Tommy Jackett: [01:04:27] Yeah. Um, number 19 for me,
Josh Janssen: [01:04:32] what will my life look like in one year,
Tommy Jackett: [01:04:35] I'll be a father of two children. Beautiful little girl. Uh, and Bardy beautiful, man.
And I will probably be living in a similar, I will living in the same house. Um, our business will be thriving. Hopefully we have more people. Um, there's, uh, we're feeling like we are giving it a crack and we're showing up. And so for us the next year, I think it isn't very much of what we're doing and just getting quite good at it.
What we're doing, um, navigating all the, the first time, like what we have the start of this year. There's a lot of firsts. You can have a business, but there comes a point where you have to make someone redundant. That's a first, that's a fucked feeling. Yeah. And we're going to be still doing the podcast.
Um, but in terms of what I, what I hope is, you know, there's some, there's some comfort. In the consistency of doing a similar thing and building that and growing that, which it seems it's uncomfortable, but the comfort sort of comes in the other side or fulfillment or, you know, just like, um, yeah, just practicing.
I mean, a lot can go a lot can happen in a year and it can feel like a lot doesn't happen in a year, but then it's like the perspective. I had a moment where I was thinking about driving up to Sydney, um, years ago when I had my own business and I was editing in the front seat while I was driving. And I was like, fuck, that's a lot different now, a lot different now, but the perspective back then, like, it's, I wouldn't want to do that again necessarily, but I've come so far from then.
And so in a year's time, as much as you can feel in the moment that it doesn't, you haven't come far, if you can just think back. You know, a lot can change, even if you don't think much has changed in your life, probably something that's changed, just going to find it. And it can help you get a bit of perspective.
Question 20. What's the meaning of life?
Josh Janssen: [01:06:43] I dunno. I think that the lie, uh, the meaning of life is to figure it out. That's
Tommy Jackett: [01:06:50] a good one. The many of life is to give it a crack. What is hop? So, yeah, it's what I was. I was thinking. See. All right. It's money Lamborghinis. Uh, do you want me to rotate?
Josh Janssen: [01:07:04] Um, Again, I may the brave or stupid for even thinking about tackling this question, but nonetheless, there it is in the title and here I am.
And even as I write this sentence, not knowing exactly what's about to come out of my head, I should really plan more. I'm leaning towards. Stupid.
Tommy Jackett: [01:07:26] Oh, well having said that, it's a question that fascinates me always has. It's something I've been asked about many times over the years. Um, it's definitely a question that has been examined, explored and debated.
Uh, I'm just jumping here. No single answer. And for me, there's a hint as to why we have not, uh, no consensus and it lies in the singular noun in the middle of the question. What is the. Many of life. The, uh, the ideology suggests that there is only one meaning of life for all of us, and we somehow need to figure it out.
Understand it, agree with it and then comply. Well, I call that rubbish. Um, that Craig doesn't know why though. No, he's what's many of your life. It's probably the question, the meaning of life. I remember having this conversation with this boat named basil, uh, he, the S uh, the first basil I'd ever met. No, not the basil now, but basil was on my year nine camp.
He was like a teacher. It was where we went away for a whole term, eight weeks lived around houses, but he was this hippie-ish guy artist. And I remember him sort of talking to us about the meaning of life. And I felt like this guy knew it. What I realize now is full of shit. That's all it was.
Josh Janssen: [01:08:41] Hi,
Tommy Jackett: [01:08:43] basil was a lovely dude.
And. He was talking to us about he's many of life. Yeah. A hundred percent. Like, because it's very different there. Like it has to be for you. What so many of your life, I love that
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