#797 – Trust & Uncertainty/
- July 21, 2020
We chat about sick days, wearing masks and trusting professionals, staying sane in iso, pre-existing stories and uncertainty, and Kanye West.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Sick days
– Tully’s new podcast, Too Much Tully
– Iso round 2
– Masks and Wuhan
– People not wearing masks and trusting professionals
– Staying sane
– Stories, anxiety, uncertainty, and worry
– Kanye West
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 797 what's happening guys what's going on? Welcome back JJ
not doesn't feel like it but because we've been speaking most of the days every day about how you're still at home and you haven't got your COVID test so I'm in the studio burning the midnight oil. Your your voice You sound like you got a big COVID you're a bit sound a bit croaky.
There's just a
bit of the bit of Domino's. I really had Domino's. Yeah, Georgie boy and I had a bit of dominoes, like dominoes. What do we get the something that's it's like, take your breath away. Not something like a fiery breath. So fire eater. That's it. That's good.
Very impressed. It's the fire eater. It's it's got me
Well congratulations to 97 on yesterday's show, he was sitting in my seat for the very first time it didn't actually sink in until after the fact that it was the first time I'd ever missed a show. That is the first time in 793 shows that's just a guess. But I missed the show. I missed a show. What was it five in? Yeah. Well, technically not much more of my voice was on. Typically you missed that show because I did more of the talking in that episode, but I was sick. And I pulled the the I pulled the pin based on a massive event like I had to have been spewing, because it was early days, but later on spewing didn't stop me. And so I think that you just went up to the whole the the commitment that we were going for it. Yeah, you contacted me. It was like episode five and you say
I'm too sick to do it. Can you play a an audio audio of a video of you and Craig Harper and so what I did was I was actually at Woolworths Abbotsford to our local wards now, where we where we go, yeah. And I did an intro saying, Hi, everyone. Tommy sick. Here is a podcast. So I feel like I was there for that podcast. You weren't. So I feel like we've both missed one. Ah, now, I think I think you're right. I'll take one you take one.
How did it feel like when you saw Mr. 97, he did a great job.
Well, the funny thing, the funny thing is that
when I was saying that I was going to be taking the day. Jess used that moment to tell me that she has only taken two sick days at her in her entire life, which I thought was sort of a dig.
Well, I mean, it's you
pressive it's what you look for, is it during total time we want everyone we don't want people, you know, working if they're sick. No, if she's worked while she's sick, I don't agree with that. But if she has had an immune system Yeah, Mr. 97 Mr. 97 hasn't been sick. Not much at all. He's young, you know, smoothies young young man and but he's sick at the moment. He's had a covid test. Oh, so. So you've had a covid test. You're waiting results. Bree has got hers back which in negative which hasn't ruled out the super spreader Janssen potentially still not confirmed yet. But hopefully, hopefully you get your results back tomorrow and we're already dejan Mr. 97. So good to And so today, there was some exciting movements within the the office with our new podcast. Yeah, I mean, some exciting movements all around.
Holly Smyth has joined the podcasting landscape once again. And this time it's through BIG MEDIA COMPANY. Yeah. So excited. And so, too much Tali is the name of the podcast. Jess, is her producer, she's in the in the podcast. Go check that out. But yeah, we're currently recording this at after 8pm. So like, Yeah, well, this is probably one of the last podcast we've done in the last hundred apps, but I don't think it will be. I think there may be chance of it happening more because tomorrow I'm moving my setup home. Yes, right now in the studio, but then it gives us the ability from the home setup to do it whenever Well, it's funny the the move to being
at home, all of a sudden I have all of the memories of Friday night drinks, DJ precious, but I'm feeling
feeling extremely comfortable like my setup, it's like it's all dialled in. It's, it's even neater than it was before. So I'm, I'm actually ready for a long period of time where we're running like this. Well, I think it's what is it like military or they break you down, build you back up again. I mean, fraud. I think I broke you right down. I feel like you're a stronger guy now. I feel like you're, you've got a new turtle shell, I did have a moment where I'm like, maybe we bring it back. I was just like, I don't know if I can do it to myself. It is, um, a question that we've asked a bunch of guests. What have you learned about yourself in COVID? Like during isolation and what's happened with COVID this year? I mean, today around the office, it was like, fact 2020 what a piece of shit like such. Why was who was having because I wasn't in the office. Well, who was saying, oh, Jess and I were just saying we could put 2020 in the beam just having a session about 2020
Yeah, just behind it's bad. How did it come up? Like the 2020 thing down the beam?
There was a couple of moments. Maybe it's just Jess and I like just pitching on 2020. But we were saying about how, as she left and got in a car tonight, we were talking about how she was just saying she claimed the bird should, by the way, now hasn't yet. She was saying. I was just saying how she has done such a great job being on the podcast with Sally and part of BIG MEDIA COMPANY. And she was just saying how it was always like, How great would this be if COVID wasn't happening? Like, the little wins might feel bigger? Or they might not? I don't know. But maybe I think the thinking is what it feels. Now, while we're trying to succeed within this crazy time. Like without that craziness and the world falling apart. This would be like, I don't know you. I think you would celebrate the wind maybe more, but maybe not otherwise.
It's I don't know, I feel like Don't you think were able to be more creative because we were talking about this COVID in ISO working from home, like I already I got my, I put together my exercise bike today and didn't have a blow up. I did it all on my own without any assistance. And it was just I did have a moment where I was like, if I was in a, like a big brother challenge, and like it tested me, and there actually wasn't any part of it. That was a problem like the whole thing went smoothly. But even Yeah, even at being smoothly and even only having to instal the seat, the pedals and the
and sort of the bit like the handles, that was enough to freak me out. But I was thinking, I'm made for this ISO life. What's something that you're going to bring in to this new ISO life to make life easier for you?
To make it easier for me, I think our setup is, I think, one I just sort of circle back to that question, what have you learned about yourself in eisah? I think it the answer for me is
the uncertainty of the future is scary. And I think we may do a good job at convincing ourselves that we understand where things are going, where we're off to, based on the goals you set and sort of the vision you have. But this year has just really thrown a spanner in the works where you don't understand like, you don't understand if the economy is going to, you know, the asset is gonna fall out. Like, I think the people who probably have got it right are the ones that were really pessimistic about the future and like, maybe it's not looking good. The economy's gonna turn to shit, people are gonna lose jobs. There's not gonna be much work around. Most of those people have got it right to some degree and they
could build back up from there but just understanding that we don't know what's going ahead. So my point being is circling back again, to your question, understanding what it means to work from home. We know that tick, understanding
where are we going? based in this new world? I kind of have an understanding of we you know, we all as a team, we know this. And so there is a few things that seem more normal now, which it didn't before it was very fucking unknown. Well, even even though you're saying it's normal, it's anything but normally in Melbourne specifically. So starting in just over 24 hours, everyone in Melbourne if you leave your house or if you go to your workplace you have to wear as TJ puts it on now. Face
It sounds a little bit muffled muffled
What do you think these are the these are the masks that I said.
Were the ones that is from Brees dad. dad's business and I said that whenever you do anything with family, they normally look ridiculous or they're a bit dorky. What What do you think you look like a plaster You look like a plaster for one. These are my it says Australia New Zealand standards,
some Eagle brand. But yeah, I mean, this looks better than a $200 fine does on my bank account, because that's the fun that you get for not wearing it.
I spoke to a guy in a coffee shop this morning at about 6:45am I was getting some petrol and I thought I'd just go to a local support local and chatting to the owner because they've just opened the window so the shops not actually open. They've just got like a coffee, you know, coffee machine next door window. And he was saying that there's been a bunch of his customers that have said, based on the mask thing, I'm not leaving my house like it
I'm just not going out. It's too much of an annoyance. Really, I think about like all the people and it's just like, Ah, fuck it for little things like getting coffee by going to your favourite joint to pick up your coffee. That seems a bit too hard basket if you like, I have to put on a mask? I don't know, is it my laziness? Or is it a self consciousness?
I think it's a bit of
everything. It's like, the reality of it all. Or maybe it's just like feeling out of control. Because I had been wondering about the mask stuff is it that
we feel like you know, this whole thing is out of control. And so if you've got an aversion to masks at all, I can see how being told you have to wear a mask. You know, if I can bring a big baby and you say no, because you've just fucking you know, you've lost your job and you've had 10 other things happen. Yeah.
It's a bit of that. I mean, it's feels feels very unknowable.
I mean, Jess and I were walking. We both had masks on, and she was like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. But it's like that is imagine that for an elderly person that struggles to breathe already. Yeah, no, but then it may I'm not saying it's COVID. But yes, I get what you're saying. Like it's more just, it's the uncomfortable thing.
But we're all having to do uncomfortable shit. Like, and the weird thing is, I think that like what I'm finding is the uncomfortable thing for a lot of people is the comfortable thing for me, but the uncomfortable thing for me is normally the comfortable like for for most people. It's like, Oh, I want to go out and I like I heard Michelle Andrews on shameless talk about how she just loved going to the dog park and she's like, has an opportunity to say everyone, and I just remember looking after a dog that
was like the nightmare of the dog situations I've got a fucking take this dog to a dog park and there's gonna be other people got I mean, a couple of those stories thread their way in picking up the warm poo, you're glad I'm not a dog owner. But in terms of mask, I'm happy to wear them. One thing that sort of
I'm not a conspiracy guy at all, however, but I was reading an article that was connecting dots between a big pharma pharmacy in Australia, like a big chain that has done like, a shitload in sales of masks in Victoria specifically, because it's become legal requirement. And then on the side of the packet of the masks that they choose to sell. They were imported from China specifically whoo Ha. And I know it's just like, China produces a lot of PPA for the world, along with many other things.
What's the bureaucracy? Like? What are people saying? Look and so think about it. So the the thing, any good conspiracy sign that fucking think about it use your fucking head I said there was like, some of the questions early days where can you get COVID from a delivery that you have purchased online that comes and so it could be you pay for products from China? Yeah, they decide, but isn't it and so, I mean I'm not drawing too much conclusion that you're going to get COVID from wearing a mask that comes from Wu Han but I don't think he can fucking you can even connect to that. I think it's like what what do you mean he can't connect it. That's what people are doing. My point being is, I'm just like, oh my god. The thing that everyone's having to use is a mask that is from a business that comes from China specifically Wu Han, where the virus came from. Well, that's what they say. Like it
Isn't that just that he's like, crazy coincidence? to it? Like, if that's what you're gonna give it like, I mean, what do you know about like, the thing is that isn't Is there a huge amount Sebastian was there in 2019? Like,
I shouldn't one. I'm sure it's a great place I watched, I watched some videos of a guy that lived there. And he, like a an American or an English guy who was local to the, you know, lived lived in a small town. Well, so the thing is, so reading that
you're not written like, it's entertaining, instead of like a funnel, like, it's like, you know, getting your cards right or whatever. No offence, but the Don't you think that it's, it's not a good idea to actually think about it, like, Are you thinking about it on a level of like the way that you're describing it? It's sort of as if you're doing some sort of academic research. Not at all
But I just so if I think that I have friends that deep down rabbit holes that they hear that, it means you can get something from these masks, which is fucking out right? But then so why people get upset. So if you'd like it because I can see how it can be fun just to go down that rabbit hole. But they find it's what your mind instantly does when you hear these things. But then if you think about the if you think about people who are working in hospitals or working, you know, in doctors, nurses, all that sort of stuff who are having to deal with the COVID cases. Plus, they're always they're wearing pee pee all the time. I don't know. I just feel like the
the conversation doesn't seem necessary. I think it's like, that's the one thing I don't get with the US. I just think that it's I love the US. I love going to the US but the more I see people
fighting over things like masks. I think a fucking insult like how selfish can Yeah.
Yeah, but there is a bunch of people, some being on my Facebook page which I was very blown away by that are absolutely refusing to wear masks regardless of the Fonz. And so who are here is this is why I don't have Facebook anymore. I wonder if it's um, what type of person is saying no to masks? This is someone who is into meditation. A Yogi
probably lanes down the
anti Vax movement you know to heal yourself your body's capable that style
but just loves
me loves poses high school just like legit saying they don't need meditation you just fucking get off Facebook. Dude. If you want to wear a mask, go ahead. That is
What if, if you want to social distance, then do it that is your right. If you want to lock yourself in a dark room, close all the windows and pray for a vaccine and go for it. That is your right. If you will inject your if you want to inject untested, genetically modified proteins into your body in the hope this will protect you from your environment. I won't try and stop you. I won't say anything. It's your body. It's your ride. I mean, then it's just, I mean, it's going on and on. So
why we lose the main one. We have been, I believe we are being lied to about the severity of the virus. Let me be clear, I'm not denying people are getting sick. I've done my research. I trust myself and I trust my intelligence. If Yoga has taught me anything, is to speak my truth and stand up for what I believe is right. Even if it hurts, even if I stand alone. I believe our right rights are under attack and I will stand up to defend them. Even if
That angers and upsets many of you. And then more, more and more. I mean, the thing is,
yeah, I mean, I just I just don't get it. I don't get the I don't I don't get the pushback, but I, I feel I could imagine that if you consume that style of content, I didn't spend any time on Twitter, like, I feel that entering all of that stuff. It doesn't make life really complex. Like the thing is, dude, like, how much of the stuff that happens in the world? Do you just not understand? I don't understand how planes fucking fly. I just I don't get I don't get how, like, even
anything fucking works. I just don't understand how buildings are made. And so why, when like, we just assume like, I don't know how fucking building is made or how it's standing up or don't understand any of it. But I like trust that I don't understand how like it seems like suit
We're arrogant and obnoxious to enough in a time where we're being told by medical professionals, hey, do this thing for that to be the time to be like, man. I don't know. I don't agree. I wonder if it's, it's because it's affecting everyone, as in, you're not necessarily directly affected by how a plane goes up into the sky and takes you from A to B. I mean, you want to get on the plane safely and arrive in the other location. But this is, you know, I think where it's getting to the choices are made for you, which I'm also confused that, as we mentioned earlier in the week, last week that I'm confused that which side of the political landscape are going hard on certain areas. So this person's very progressive, but then is saying, absolutely not wearing masks when it's like, we're trying to help people. So it's like humans first.
It's very towering it's like law at this point. I've been wanting to break laws many times but I'm not fucking willing to do it just because I don't want to wear a mask but I'm not willing to that's so fucking selfish at this point because what is the issue? There's no fucking issue Yeah, just wear a mask.
So what are you how are you staying sane? What are you excited about? What are you doing on the weekends? What are you looking forward to? What are you doing with Bodhi?
trying to think about what we did over the weekend with Bodhi. Not a great deal. We can't go driving is not allowed.
We had a fire. That was lovely. But is there a certain amount of like so the having a a real like a realistic outlook on things are going to be tough, but then having an overarching optimistic view on how all go
Like, I feel like maybe that's where I sort of oscillate between. It's like, Oh, yeah, I think we're fact there's gonna be a lot of issues. But I actually think in the long term, we've got to make it work and it's all going to be fine.
I wonder, like, frame of mind, where do you see yourself at the moment with this sort of second wave coming in? Victoria?
I think it's,
I mean, there's, as I was saying, there's more clarity about the uncertain future, which is a weird paradox. But, you know, the government support is there.
But it's, it's definitely it's, I think, if you haven't swallowed the reality that the future as in what a new existence in a world where we're thinking about catching things, like, you know, all you have to do is put on a mask and feel when you're seeing other people and you and you're just thinking about it.
germs being transmitted via your mouth. And then you just like that new world what that looks like as sort of a constant thought about what if, what if I think we're still in that very early stages of that. So I think about what does it look like for Bodie going to school? What does it look like? I mean, I'm very optimistic that we will make it through whatever this is, like, fingers, you know, touching wood. None of us get sick. But I also feel like with we will make it through regardless with what happens to the economy and all the business and all these things. And so I am very optimistic that it's
I think there's definitely always that a gratitude thing like Do you find that a you?
Like, I had some good success like a few weeks ago, like I don't do it nearly enough, but actually being like,
let's think about like when I can get into that sort of
Negative spiral on things. Just look at everything. Like I even find with all the
the podcast, rancour stuff and then saying fuckin publishers bullshitting. And I'm just like, fuck these people. And then I'm like, You know what?
I, I go from that. And I'm like, Okay, what am I? What am I doing right now? What am I? Where am I putting my energy? This energy could be good, like it can be good in this small period of time if I can then transition out of it to continue on our path doing our thing. But I feel like so much of this is mindset. Have you thought about what it could look like so that you're not in that COVID? Because I feel like I've noticed it just even the last few days just as talking about these changes, or you know, like, what's happening in Victoria. It's very easy to suddenly get back into that new cycle, speculating on what's going to happen.
What's happening is new thoughts for a lot of us. So the thought about masks and a new thought could be what is that going to do? The little change of everybody wearing masks? And so then the the spiral I could have I reckon I would have gone down early days is like fac like really dark and what it all means and how it will change people's What do you think it all means?
What in terms of so
what wearing masks or what the implementation implementation of people wearing masks as a you know for as a legal requirement, and visually the optics as you would say, what that does to your mind. It shifts things it shifts how you're, you're feeling when you're out like just looking around and like what's going on like it just it takes you on a new thought pattern. You haven't had to think about that. And so
There's there's new thinking for a lot of people about, what does this all mean? like looking at looking around at people instead of interpreting situation? What do you think it all means?
In terms of, so what I think it all means I haven't come to a conclusion my, my mind has just been in thinking about, it's like your mind going to new areas of thought. It can be confusing. It can be
worrying, or it can just be what it is, and you're letting it go. And so I'm more on the, for this one. I'm more at like, wow, and then just trying to let it go. I mean, this isn't a one out of it. Like the more you know, the more you realise how little you know. And so it's like a little bit of that as well.
Yeah, yeah. I mean,
the more you're, the more you know, the more the The more you realise how little you know, I'm just, I mean, it's at that point. It's like how quickly can you
Let go of something like go over a thought process that, you know is not productive. It's like you're saying, You're getting into that mindset and you know that it could be very counterproductive to you die. And so I don't know, I haven't stopped meditating. I definitely like say it is a fucking important part of my day.
Is there a really shuffling of stories like I could imagine, like someone who, like for me, I feel like I love change. So it's worked out, okay. But if I was in the stage of, I'm just the travelling guy, and I'm like travelling around and I couldn't do that. I could imagine that being tough. They're stories that you feel like you need to rework based on what we can actually do in 2020. Yeah, I think definitely just an hour's talking this week about having an office and
You know, the classic rock being at the office feels like regardless of if it is productive or not that you are doing work that's moving you forward. It might not be but definitely showing up and clocking in it's very old school approach bums on seats mean equals work, which we definitely know it doesn't.
That kind of stuff I definitely felt more
embodied and understood more recently as much as we've talked about that before. You know, the old industrial era check clocking in clocking out, you know, if you're at the premises, it means that she's getting done but and so, yeah, there's that thinking there's future of work for a business like ours and, and, and the thinking is more along the lines, productively of what is that business that we can create based on shit like this happening because this is my
As someone would have thought five years ago that this could happen. Most people weren't really thinking that this was go there's a lot of things that could happen. We could be nuked and so like the thing is like we don't know you hear a lot of things that could happen. But yeah, being able to actually enter into that space, I feel like would be exhausting. Do you think that your worry is your worry lie at an individual level? Do you think it really like lies at a family level at a bowtie level at the company level?
i don't know if i feel worried. Like I don't remember the classic like had a friend whose mom was always seemed like a worrywart. Just worrying just fucking freakin anxious about everything.
I go through periods of times of feeling more anxious and not
But then, I think
I mean, he experienced a bunch of emotions across a day, but I don't feel like I'm worrying. It's more just uncertainty would be uncertain and more uncertain about the future. For anybody, for us for anybody, is it a stress thing? Whether you like it like what is like, I'm going to look it up the definition of stress? Do you feel stressed? No, not really, at times, depends on when it is. If it's
But no, like that moving back to our home set up not stressed at all. Like it's not because I am, because I can. So what would be the antidote to stress feeling lucky Have you understand what's about to happen? Or that you've been through it before or that, you know, that you're equipped with? Or do you think or is it is part of it just a detachment like so for instance, the mask thing, people, not
wearing masks or not wanting to.
They don't want to wear masks. That's them being attached to a previous idea. That's no longer our reality.
And it's an it's an it's an attachment to the idea of what freedom means what it means to be an individual, what it means to have rights. And so he's part of it. being like, I feel a bit fucking detached. I'm like, I'll do that, like, whatever if that's the if that's the thing I like, it's it feels like a give and take, there's some wins, being able to get things like job keeper and, you know, like, Yeah, I don't know, but maybe it's different. Because you've got more things that you'd like so with Bodie, thinking about, okay, well, he doesn't necessarily like, you know, trying to help his experience.
He's pretty, he's pretty cool. I was worried about him just how he would interpret me wearing a mask, and I had a
Moscow jumped into the car yesterday. He and he was loving it. I said, Do you know what this is? He said, that's a that's a mask.
And so he totally gets it. It's a think about that for a child growing up, it's, it's gonna be that will be quite normal to him in the next three weeks, four weeks when we were all having to wear masks kids don't you can keep them so do you think that the reason why he does well is because he's not. He's not a he doesn't have attachment to these things?
Well, it's Yeah, he doesn't. I mean, the kids are like, guys.
I just want to have a thought we can my
my biggest thing has been trying to work out how we can build a framework, like the way that we think so that we can actually do really well and we can be real about things and we can understand how lucky we are we can understand that things are hard.
But then we can sort of live a life where we're not sweating, like sweating the small stuff. I feel like a lot of these things, if we actually look at them, we have food we have like all of these things.
You know, I think there is a purpose that comes from there is service from people in this world that have pushed back on things like this in the past, not saying this specifically. But there is critical thinking towards something people sticking up for. It's our right not to be told what to do. They don't want to live in that kind of society. I don't know where it fits for now. And I'm sure at the time when people were, you know, saying we're not going to be a part of this. It is in the future served. This is I think that the heart but the thing is that
it's, it feels like a selfish act. The problem
With this thinking the problem of not even shutting things down, like saying, I want to be out and about like that, that decision, the decision to not be responsible, the decision to go out and just live your day normally is going to have impact in the future because people fucking die. And things and hospitals get overwhelmed. And it means that we can't, it will be it will take longer before we get back to any form of normality. Yeah, I mean, people are. So it's not just short term and people just considering like, this feels uncomfortable in the short term.
So, but but then that it's it feels like it's hurting us longer term. Yeah.
I have the answer. But I mean, what you can say about this. So what would people say it's like Sweden have done, you know, herd immunity or look at Florida? Not. I mean, they're one of the worst
Cases of COVID in the world top five, if Florida was classed as his own country, this still got stuff open, yet they have such high cases. And I don't think it's until we look back until we have enough data in the future 10 years from now, about what it all meant. I mean, this is where
we're looking at, if 1% of the US population died, that's a fuckload of people, and it's still
a lot of deaths. But then it's this weird view on you know, you're referencing flu cases and how many people die per year versus covid cases and how many people are actually passing away? People are still dying. It's
Yeah, I don't know. I, I think it's, it seems like having that the I don't know bit is I feel like the stress the stressor. If you
can be like
not even like I don't know, but it's almost like making a decision to go with
the you know like the mask thing like I feel like having that thought I think the people that are saying I do know and then saying I'm not wearing masks he's probably more stressful than the person that just says I don't know what you say if you will that I think that's the thing I think like going and being detached and so I'm just going to do it versus I don't know how much the conspiracy stuff actually serves like I wonder how much like fuck off Facebook
I mean, I like I like looking at it I liked it Do you like it sounds like like I'm maybe it's the same that doesn't do anything to me. I've got it definitely does something to like you completely. You it enters you whether you like it or not. I didn't like bringing it bringing it up in conversation says that it's I feel like it's painted
Probably more like imagine, imagine if face masks weren't a thing and we put them on we fucking did our day, we might actually get shit done if we're spending every single one that's not before spending every second going fuck. I'm wearing a mask. Oh my god, I can't breathe, I think. Yeah, but i think that i think what you're talking about is everyone will experience the adjustment to it.
For me reading someone who I thought was quite smart, do something it's like obviously puts me on a different side to them in terms of how I'm approaching my existence and they're approaching theirs. Well, don't you to get sort of trivialises or, or creates doubt or brings up point Rhonda does. This does not for me though. Of course, it's that if anything, it makes me realise that I'm pro wearing masks and why the fuck Didn't they do it? Yeah. It's interesting because my perspective on it is it's like, I'm surprised it's even a conversation.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that just because you're surprised that it's not a conversation, there's, I mean, what we have to do is see why there's so many varied thinking in this world. And there's plenty of people that don't believe the coverts really that bad. It's just like the flu guys.
That's literally what they say. And so that's not how we think. So you would, as much as you say that there is also a heap of views that you're on the other side. There's a bunch of people who
don't wear seatbelts, or don't think that it's worth wearing seatbelts, right? Who the fuck are they? Yeah, hope I don't know anything that is this. Hey, I've been in a car accident and I reckon it's the seatbelt. Well, so the thing is, we lost so there was heaps and there was heaps of pushback around the seatbelts and you know, people failing them but even even now the state's like it's a it's a massive issue. Really. Yes.
So the thing is the using the seatbelt example.
We're not in a car, like we put our seatbelt on, we just we just go on with our day. We don't like it's not not a thing. We're not saying hey, like, you know, put your seatbelt on and then say, have a conversation with a saw on Facebook that they're like saying this about seatbelts, or maybe they're actually not effective. Maybe not. Not only are they not effective, but potentially
they could actually do more damage if you're in an accident, right? So just having that conversation. Having that thought is all of a sudden differently. There's no there's no smart person saying that Who the fuck it when you've got someone like Ilan Musk, who people look to as the genius of this world who is talking about, we should be opening up
code COVID-19 more of a beat up than what's being said.
All I'm all I'm saying is there's no smart person saying don't wear a seatbelt this smart people saying COVID-19 is not as crazy as everyone's talking it to be.
That's that's the confusion at this point. I certainly got this changing topics. You're a big fan of Kanye West.
I'm thinking about Tonya, you've said that he's not he's your guy you
your defence, the difference between Kanye West and Kanye West's music. Kanye West is a human and Kanye West is pretty sure on the on the show you've spoken about you think that? Remember we said if you had one night left, and you're like Kanye, he leaves behind with Taylor Taylor Swift or Kanye West you would spend all right I can still spend it with Kanye. Definitely.
What do you like about Kanye?
About his music.
So you don't like he? He is much so watching him. So
what you're referring to is him giving a talk
for the visit, like some sort of political rally where he's having an opportunity to speak and I've just seen some crazy tweet, I just think screen grabs of him just being like,
going off. He's nuts. Yeah, so that's at so he was. The big news was he was running for president, which he doesn't fit into this year's election or something. And so it was about him giving a talk in Wyoming. Where, man I cringe I watched it, and I just had to jump through it. And I was like, Oh, no, the guy's having a fucking breakdown. He's uh, he's bipolar. He's, he's been diagnosed with bipolar before and he's obviously having some kind of an episode and I don't know who the fuck lets him do that. But maybe Kanye is just saying I'm, I'm doing what I want to do. But he's talking about Kim, his wife and he's talking about that.
Family and abortion and our dude. And then what you're talking about is screenshots of tweets and text messages where he's
obviously reaching, reaching out for help or like saying, like, it's someone needs to intervene here. It's so crazy. It's so sad. And I guess the media. Yeah, it's interesting to say like, media is being quite sensitive. Like they're saying, obviously, he needs help here. Yeah. And so I've seen a few people like 50 cent tweets, and then, you know, sort of making fun of it, and then someone rotting in 50 Cent's comments that's like, Is there not enough here that you're realising that he's trying to reach out for help with something like rather than making a joke about this? And so I don't know, man, it's fucking crazy. It's crazy. You know, his music. Right? I love his music. chick fil a is this into somebody's chick fillet. I think he's in music.
musical genius. I just don't know if it's translating to,
you know, giving talks on political, you know, political stuff, I think we need to potentially bring in the rule around COVID. Not even for the show, but just for our, for our lives. We need to, we've made the decision that we're going to be
working from home. Last time we had the luxury of being able to focus on the show and original staff and not focusing on client leads. Whereas now we're sort of like, we want to make sure that after all of the stimulus packages of happening in Australia with job tape and shit that we've got a business and it's going well, yeah, but on the other side of that,
that's for sure. But,
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