#289 – Mushroom Dealer Mason Taylor/
- February 22, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we’re joined by Mason Taylor. In addition to being Jack Post’s mushroom dealer, Mason is a health educator, speaker, and podcast host who loves sharing how to navigate the evolving world of health, and has a special interest in herbalism.
Mason’s vagabonding trip
The benefits of mushrooms
Listening to your body
Doing what’s best for your 80 year old self
Our Uber Eats delivery
The Ketogenic diet
Avoiding pesticides and chemicals
Trojan horsing herbs
Paul Stamets and the Westernisation of mushrooms
Sourcing for SuperFeast
Mason’s personal website:
Mason’s business, SuperFeast:
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 299 and this is a interesting layout if you're listening you can't say but if you're watching there is a bunch of it I mean on one side because it's fat Fridays we've got Krispy Kreme Doughnuts and some computer on the other side
and we've got nice and Tyler with a bunch of his mushrooms he said what they are
three machines this is the thing everyone's like super face then you know you do all those mushrooms I've got my shoes Andrew Barry I love this mushroom
don't want to offend you. I think it's just like the branding of mushrooms is so strong that's the association hang out with
our roots and berries and then three machines will get into
Mason we mentioned or jack post mentioned you last week when we had him on So You are his official mushroom dealer he was talking about having mushroom teas and and shit like that. Yeah. How did you get to selling mushrooms as a thing?
Well, okay, first of all probably good to get clear. There's like three general categories of machines is the fungi Kingdom starts coming back into our diet in the West were very aware of the soil borne mushrooms and Porter bellows and you know, those that we had on peaches growing up and that's not what we're talking about here. Not talking about trippy psychedelic mushrooms, mushrooms, although that's an interesting conversation, talking about medicinal mushrooms and essentially the machines that their native tongue is wood and they grow from living trees like the Shaka mushroom, are they going to be growing off Deadwood which is like more so what you're going to see the ratio. And I basically got into it because I was God long story short, like I was traveling. I've been doing a lot of years been shaky and having the best time ever traveling around the world being a ski instructor. And I just ignored all these symptoms. I got a fungal infection, funnily enough coming out of my What did yours look like? It was just like really inflamed and read. Like I got to add to Kevin a lot of the time people like it wasn't like a little gnocchi mushrooms growing up, but I basically had an extreme immune deficiency. And that led to me being quite exhausted. And I was in my early 20s. And I was like, man, something's gotta give I was in Bolivia at the time, and I was like, I gotta stop ignoring this shit. And I got back and jumped into the deep end. In my final year of uni. I just went hardcore down the rabbit hole of studying longevity practices, tonic herbal ism, medicinal mushrooms, and it just swept me off my feet and carried me into the sunset. So I just kept on going here like I mean, I'm here
Hey, this is I've never met a mason until Mr. 97. And now to in the same room. I want to point out this is this is a compliment when I was
the yoga teacher had been a meditation teacher for 40 years 30 years. And she's taking the health food shops and I still I used to love just sort of, you know, smelling stuff and more walking around and like you know, trying little bits and bobs when you walked in this morning. You smell to me like a health food store.
What is that smoking that I smell?
Coconut it's like a Is it something you put in your hair? Or is it like a some sort of
smarmy like particularly like this set I don't use any like perfumes I don't really use soap I prefer to skin Skin Cleanse and so baby Josh
has been doing the skin cleanser no soap for a while you know
I use ya know, I've gotten better at that. But now I use that Mr. Pitts which is like this all natural and
I think it's good to have something like that the crevices, but in general, I don't think we should be bombing our skin which you need, like we've got a microbial biome within our skin as well that needs to be left intact and in the beginning of your skin's really congested. First of all, we need to be looking at the lungs because the lungs govern the skin health and so you get you get your lungs and then you live are really like nice and singing you're gonna see some real superior skin health come through but when it's been like you know living in cities and you got all these stuff laying on you I like to get into the deep skin cleansing I'm like I'm to the extent where I like using organic vodka by carb g with MSM and you get in scrotum. You don't
drink it. You get a little bit around drink
it. Can you see the blue tint in my hand? Oh yeah.
Going into a fucking Smurf.
I just decided which I've got something coming very very soon I know which one you're going to be getting.
This is not a fungal infection. My wife bought it because it was on special was like a hair shampoo that was like with a tinge of blue. So it's like meant to keep the color or something. But it's the only one I've been using. It's just going all through my hands it's probably fucking
Yeah, it's real bad. The other thing Tommy does is I've banned him from spraying his deodorant in the office because I'm like yeah asthmatic, and it's just like, but then he would spray it outside and come in. He still gets into my throat is
asthmatics in these hypochondriacs that you're a blend of the two between when it comes to spraying?
hang on you say that it's gonna give you asthma. Yeah, this is
not the carcinogenic but which is worse cancer or asthma. I don't want it either.
They do lay in the same place. So first of all, like I think your idea whether its cost of agenda not I'm definitely in the camp that they generally are going to be and they're going to have like metals in them and so I like that. When when I smell like I've got pure heart mists, flower essence kind of crush your heart your pure heart mists. And so they're like, a brand and friends of mine. Yeah. Which and that's what I've also got this. I don't know, if you got like in the shamanic circles you'd be aware of like, I'm a Florida so it's flour water using ceremony? Yeah, most of that actually has carcinogenic stuff. And so they're kind of developing one that's got this 88 flower mother of a tincture, and then they've turned that into their flower. I grabbed that like a whole bunch of that and just whack that over my head. So I'm kind of like, I think you'd be going to be healthy. You need to really ingest and wear flowers.
So when you do it,
wait, can I just say I feel like Josh and I are these gronk from the CD and we've got it from somewhere else. It's
from Byron and my sense
is just on a on a completely different level. This is where I live it's like we are worlds apart until you live in Byron
Yeah, I grew up in Sydney and I live in bar
Yeah. And so this is to gronk sin and a bar and by dude on the show today. I love it. I'm a gronk in myself.
the vagabonding thing you were talking about before we press record that you've done a bit of travel What did what did that actually look like?
That looked like on my 19th birthday going over to Europe for a year landing in Santa rainy realizing I don't really have enough money to be in Europe so
especially Sandra rainy dude,
yeah, honeymoon territory. And it's actually fancy. So I was just like working on the strip work in the doors of clubs having the best time ever. And then just doing little trips over to Turkey, Italy going and living in a university town in Spain for five weeks, because that was super cheap. And then going to Austria not knowing what to do, having never skied before. Found this three week course that taught you how to be an Austrian ski instructor didn't tell them that I actually never escaped before arrives. And in that time, passed with flying colors, because I didn't actually have any bad habits, and then spending those four months in Austria, and then just from there, Southeast Asia, then going over for a year in, in South America.
That's amazing. What was the biggest learning through all of that?
Besides fungal infections?
Yeah. Besides the fact that, you know, maybe there's some kickbacks to have them like the best time.
Man biggest learnings, it was really formative for me, it got me out of my deep set belief systems in terms of the way life needs to look in terms of going to uni and getting a degree getting a job. And basically, it just helped me with that. It's not like I completely liberated myself from the system or anything like that. But I've definitely gone down that phonetic route here. And there
are some nights when you're partying and Sandra and it felt like that, I felt
liberated and I really like and I didn't have Facebook or Instagram back then I wasn't on email. So I was completely free of the environment that really gave me formation. And so I in that sense, I was able to really sit there and not actually meditating, but consistently inquiring within myself and dying within my diary as well, and learning just who I am, what makes me tick and what possibly intentions I have within that should be coming out and setting themselves as the core values of my life and allowing that to somewhat help me navigate the decisions I'm going to make.
God took me a lot longer than at 19 doing that. I'm actually just starting to do that now thinking about this stuff. It's did you go into the trip thinking, I want to work shit out, or you just like, Well, no,
and I didn't. It's not like I came out of that one trip. with that. I was like, it's only in reflection that I realized what I was doing. And I think that should be ingrained into every phase of life where we're transitioning where we give ourselves that space to go and contemplate what's next and free ourselves from the belief systems that we've given ourselves so that we can go and make really sensible sustainable decisions that are ideally going to lead us lead us to be like less of an asshole and more of a like, you know, a beautiful person that is not sacrificing their health to some other entity and also really, really ensuring that we have a contribution to the community and those around us recovering gronk
we're just becoming like, you know, accepting the fact that we're a gronk I'm going to be the best gronk that I can
Yeah, yeah. What does it do to relationships when you came back to Sydney or Byron or wherever it was when you first sort of landed home? Was there a process of realizing that the changes that you had made weren't in alignment with your relationships? How did that go down?
Yeah, good question. I probably isolated myself not too much. It was necessary for me at the time but I've definitely isolated myself from my schoolmates I was I was telling you guys earlier I In the beginning I went down bit more of a hardcore gnarly health route which was the raw food route and so I probably in that in that extreme that extremism in which my my lifestyle took that turn when when it took that turn it probably you know virus Moses isolated me a little bit from the original family culture in which I grew up in and I had to get off that bandwagon really quick so I wasn't a judgmental asshole and I could still really be there
with my going to be an extremist best just to eat fruit right like it's a good in regards to the better version of an extremist.
Yeah, let's not get into for Terry and
Jason, if you've come here, because of Mason and this you're new to the daily talk show on Fridays we do something called fat Fridays, which before before you got here Madison will like it You are like a health freak in that respect is we can't spell out the Krispy Kreme Doughnuts which have been given to us by Kareena next door. Thank
you Kareena celebrating.
Let's just hand out the kombucha. Which one do you want doing a pomegranate or an original Aldi? pomegranate?
I'll go would you like
Mr. Nice having you on brother throw over my phone that's over there.
We are. I think is this today? Yeah.
Because we have our Uber rates order on its way. So
we set Mason the task of we said what we thought we don't want to push any bad decisions on to you. Yeah. And so we thought, why don't we say through the lens of Mason, what you would order for us? So we gave you Tommy's Uber Eats account and you could order us anything. Anything for fat Friday. And so we haven't seen it yet. Should we work out now?
wish I could have.
So what what have you ordered us? So I've gone to Pachamama kitchen is actually ordering and I didn't click the fact that I I actually do know Pachamama kitchen and I've done a talk there. And so I'm going through going good stuff. And then I was ordering us a couple of kind of, like, I'm not I'm not a I'm not a mad fan of the ketogenic diet and just gonna put that little caveat in there. And it's a good healing system, but I got some keto coffees driving, and as I'm going down, it says, add Mason's mushrooms for like $1 and I'm like, Oh, hang on, I know where I'm ordering from here. So I've got a mix of medicinal mushrooms amazing. And so I've got us four copies come in Quito copies, which are going to be rad got some gay and MC to oil in there. And I know they source really good coffee. That sounds ethical, and it's also low micro toxin, which is also efficient my you get not good level of coffee, and some smoothies, including a Smurfs movie. That is going to be beautiful for you. And I just told them to load me up with random tonic herbs and machines. Amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. Be A Better brand integration for your
Mason's mushrooms. That's your super feast brand or is that
yeah, that's the super face brand, which I started in 2011 because I basically got out of uni in 2010 What did you study? International Business Yeah, yeah, I really hated it. And I spent my last year thankfully pays get degrees just passing but as pays get degrees passes get degree degree
what's the pay where do we get the pace from it?
So I pass but um, I was studying in that time also becoming a yoga teacher and I got out and have a bit of having my existential crisis going What do I do constant what I learned in university and basically learn how the corporate world goes in and conquest back these emerging economies didn't want to be a part of it. Funnily enough having an international business in myself but my mom was basically got behind me that I was like look you're on about these you know nourishing yourself through foods getting to teaching people about their organ system their immune system teaching people about the sovereignty of their immunity and what happens when you actually develop a herbal culture within your own life and bring less dependency on institutions and healing institutions like if you're passionate about it go for it match Give me that little bit of capital set me up in a spare room in a house in glides Ville in a Western Sydney Yeah, and
we're all great businesses are born exactly how
it's been great me and I've still haven't taken investment we've grown from there to like have a really solid crew warehouse up in Byron Bay and it's been magic because I haven't had to compromise anywhere along the line. And so basically, we do an extract powder is a Dallas tonic herbs, including medicinal mushrooms, so very particularly, and the Masons mushrooms is a really epic medicinal mushrooms for the immune system. Amazing. I'm going to be Trojan horsing them into now coffee. I fucking love
the word Trojan horse thing, by the way. Like, we love Trojan horses anything. Yeah, I can confusing people getting in there and been like, Haha, yeah, you thought you're coming for Seth Godin. And now we're talking about dicks on the show.
similarity between the
similarities. Sometimes you see a Shaka just like absolutely sticking out in this most phallic way ever. Very sexual. the Mushroom Kingdom
was a hammer. So how many mushrooms are actually on the table right now? So
we got sharga mushroom machine doesn't really look like a mushroom
looks like a fucking rock. It actually feels like
a muffin break muffin. It's got that sort of.
brand. Yeah, it's an old Bran muffin.
You've chipped to beat off a tree that looks like a big solid piece of bark or something. It's amazing.
Daniel's phenomenal. This is a really good. Something about that white feels like a doesn't really smell
like much on the other side. It almost looks like a cork board. That's cool.
Yeah, it's a good Beautiful, beautiful mushy that one that is a shotgun mushroom grows on birch throughout the Arctic regions, that up a belt. And so I harvested that one when I went to visit where we do out wild foraging in China and chunk by mountain the noise of China last year, you go into the wild foraging. Yeah, we only work with independent farmers or independent foragers. And so Chagas, one of those Herbes, which there is a sustainable practice around wild harvesting, and the absolute magic. Just ancient intention that comes through of going and sourcing Herbes from where these ancient Dallas would say, if you want D down hubs in that sense way, they wanted to say it is Herbes were grown in a way and in an area where they sucked up as much cosmic energy as possible to pull that into us. So when that when you actually look at that, in in modern day terms, when you go and study what the actual active constituents are within these machines, when you grow them in these areas, where there's a financial system, a wide fungal system through the forest, where you have good soil, good atmosphere, and in a sense, you're going to see that good cosmology in that area, you're going to see basically a healthier herb crop come through
what can I just ask you this alive right now? Um,
yeah, well, basically the in herbalists and we've gone and dried that. And so the idea is that we can we dry that and then we will take that to our facility. So technically it is alive in the sense that you are going to be able to take that and get some date medicinal action going on some deep immune modulation, which is very important it's not an immune stimulant, it's an modulator of the immune system. So helping hit receptors within your immune system, which we are hardwired for the fungal beta glue cans in this so we're hardwired an immunological level, especially through the macrophages that's laying out got take up these compound a cold sorry, the macrophages on macrophages and so it's an immune cell that then will men with receptors on it and the beta glue cans if it's extracted so if you wait this now, you can basically say it's going to be like chewing Ward month when you hard boil that and also extracted in alcohol. So jewel extract, all that medicine becomes bioavailable, and then we basically squirt spray dry that and we've got an extract which then we can go and add easily to our coffees are hot chocolates and these kinds of things. And then what happens is the beta glue cans in here, go past the the stomach into the digestive system. They're prebiotics for our indigenous bacteria that's very good for gut health, and then getting uptake in within the receptive immune system going deep into the immune system where it's hard to get nutrients and then metabolized and then that metabolize beta glucagon is in that perfect shape again to hit fungal based receptors within our immune system to turn the lights on. And so when you turn lights on within the immune system, all of a sudden you have less of a white bread, flabby Western immune system handle
la Monza Flappy Bird, my whole enough my organs are actually made purely from one to one.
Possibly two minute noodles.
So in China has been picked up.
Just another good good update is the in China is this common? What what like you you're describing is in that region? Are they using the machines in this way?
Absolutely. It's integrated tonic herbal ism is integrated, it kind of had a bit of a speed bump in the 50s when you get that red wash from the mail
administration, and they basically tried to modify TCM, non traditional Chinese medicine. It's kind of almost like it's able to be sold to the west. Basically what that means is it's digestible to the west. What's digestible reductionism? If you have this symptom, you take this formula, if you you know, like if you have this herb, these are the classifications and you can't go outside there's classifications and they they basically wiped out the ours mysticism from herbal ism and that included things like organ massage, that really included things like deep five element theory, and it definitely included tonic herbal ism, which are the herbs that we originally see a text in the Shen Gong, Ben salvaging do, or Ben Celgene is the translation, or interpretation, the first material medical around 200 BC, where we see there is a class of herbs called superior herbs, which are to be used for the purpose of a lightening the body, bringing graceful aging and longevity and bringing the spirit and crack that through which basically means you're healthy enough to consistently be able to reflect and just basically become a better human learn your emotions become less of an asshole more of just a person. It's awesome to be around
listening to your body. Like I was watching this morning driving my son to daycare this woman at the lights just punching a dowry. It was not Sandra, Sally just
Yeah. But what I did what my wife and I had the conversation about was, like, looking at that. Like you,
when you wake up in the morning when we wake up in the morning, so we're taking our present experience. It's like my body feels like it needs kind of water. It's like, if I listened to it, it's like it's wanting all these things that are going to like help
it baby need some water.
Yeah, baby needs water. But then I sees her punching a dairy. And I'm like, that's not what your body actually your body wants it based on the addiction. But I'm like, it's, it's actually counter because it's not great for you. Just like there's a misalignment for a lot of people, myself included about not listening to how I'm feeling like, you know, you push through it, I think, work and all that, you know, life gets the better of you sometimes. And so there is this disconnection from the body. Is that something you had? Like? How do you find? Because it sounds like you have found that connection to listening, trying? Try a try. I think it's a work in progress for most people. How do you go about that? If you've, if you're not listening to self if you're feeling shitty guts after eating food all the time, but then you eat that food all the time? And
how long is it does it actually take because I think I'm probably very receptive to placebos. So I like the idea. Not even if all this even if you take out all the science of it and just look at purely as a placebo effect. I feel like, I'll have one sip and I'll be like, Man, I'm fucking I feel great. I feel even field lane. I don't know how I'm losing weight, but it's happening. It's old.
Dude, I feel better. I feel better after drinking for summer. I mean,
how, what stage? Do you feel that it's placebo? And so like, do you see the instant? Like, how long does this stuff scientifically take? And can our lifestyle counter the benefits? So if I have the mushroom, and then I am having some form of
highly processed drink? That's got a lot of sort of chemicals in it? Does that all counter out? So it's, it's a yc? time or they're really good questions. So we'll hit it from a few angles, then we'll definitely talk about the fact of what happens when we ignore our body and we use our sheer will to just drive through what's actually happening in our body, which is something what you are basically doing in that instance, and in the West, a lot of people are doing it is leaking the gene, Gene Bane, our primordial essence that lives in our kidneys, that gives rise to our libido, stamina, lower back health, our capacity to reproduce tissue, basically, and reproduce cells. You see what happens in the West, people get to about 50, and 60. And all of a sudden they walk they're walking on eggshells, right. And we in the West, to an extent Luckily, but it's another another angle to extend it's the to the absolute degeneration of our health because we become flabby and our intention is to care doctor, give me something or they'll be drugs and surgery and get to that point of people enter the death cycle, right, they've linked to the Jing and the essence, that primal essence, they haven't kept that that waxy candle, that is the essence of who they are protected. Right? They've sacrifice it like coal energy, that chipping off the wax and throwing it in with another double coffee to get me through the day using that will and ignoring what's going on basically that's burning the candle at both ends. It completely lessens your capacity for physical Zubrin health. And so in terms of one thing I will really empathize with is that person that's punch in the diary, who probably if you put a tobacco plant next to them wouldn't even recognize the plant that really interacting with every single day, you really could be easy on yourself, don't come at it from the angle of like, you know, what you're doing is bad, what you're doing is wrong, it's never going to really get you that far, that's going to be a short term thing to be like to really like with yourself like that short term thing to kind of get you out of it. And then just go, I don't know, just go on your journey, start listening to it open up that can of worms, I would really say that two people open up that can of worms, this seemed like, it's scary, though. If you start feeling useless symptoms, you don't want to feel like you're sick, you're functioning and you open up the can of worms, everyone goes, Oh my gosh, you've got this and you've got this and you've got this and you're like I'm sick, I'm body sick. And that's not useful. Unless you are at that point where the symptoms are really you know, I can be stopping you from, from going on living. Or if you you know, if you have something gnarly like a cancer, you know, that's obviously like, right, you're in a compromised position. But generally that's not going to happen. You just gotta you don't want to be in that mentality, I would say start to generally open up that can of worms. And don't put too much pressure on yourself. You not you might not have the time to become an expert in nutrition and herbal ism. You know, get a practitioner I've finally finally got a naturopath that I'm like actually comfortable with to help me just, you know, sensibly get some marketers to say where I'm at, because I'm, I've driven myself for years and years and years on my pure instinct. And it's been very useful for me. And it's been amazing for me to awaken that. But if you're in that position, get a Paki. I've got like a got an excellent night. Yeah, Dan, simple, like, good natural path, you know, that many out there? How do you find because I guess there's lots of doctors and all that sort of thing. And I always have pushback with medicating myself, because I feel like I have two herniated discs, there was a time where I couldn't walk for, you know, period of a couple of months or really struggled. And I didn't want to take painkillers and lots of things, because I felt like that was going to sort of reduce the symptoms or not actually, like fix the problem. How, what is the how do we look at these things productively, and while still being able to seek help, because I guess there's a lot of good look at everything and feel like I don't want to fucking do that. I want to do that. I want to do that. I don't want to see a doctor because they're going to give me the
how at what is the filtering system to be able to actually make progress in these things?
Yeah, very interesting. I'd make sure that you are doing it for yourself, and not some external cultural idea that you you know, it's good to be healthy. And it's you know, it's going to be like a good social standing, I'm going to be helping young people will accept you more, I think you should be looking at your own intention. I think when you open up that can of worms, especially when it comes to pain. It's a weird cycle when it comes to pain, because we don't actually know what pain is we haven't quantified that yet. It is a signal from your body. And it's something that one way or another you're going to have to feel unless you get to the point where you Medicare and Medicaid and Medicare and Medicaid. And that's when we get we see people on their deathbeds not actually able to feel their body and feel the process that they're going through. And they have a numb death, which in the Dallas terms, and yogic terms is the ultimate foe pop with life, you want to be really in a feeling sense at that point. And so basically, right now, take, you know, take the fact that pain is bad, out of the equation, and that there's any pressure for you to be somewhere, get rid of the social pressure or the pressure you have in yourself and just begin to feel it gently and sustainably. At that point, when you start to when you get past that first layer of tension that's really blocking you from getting in there and feeling what's going on in your body, you'll find, if you will, enough, gentle persistence. And this is the key, small persistent steps, you know, whether it's a light movement practice, or whether it's taking Herbes that like, I'm going to restore the gene kidney essence, so that you actually have the ability to go in and heal through the spine, those consistent steps, what you'll find is you'll get to over a year, you'll look back and you'll go Holy shit, I can't believe how many how far I've gone in that time. The 1% is that's what Tommy and I have identified it because I've always been very extreme
I speak 120 kilos have been through a lot of different diets. And the thing that I've only learned from the podcast is the incremental showing up every single day. And I'm still not there with the gym, the idea of going to the gym, and doing some form of exercise, but not feeling completely fact by the end of it. It's hard to quantify and say, Well, that was actually worth doing right. Because in the moment, it feels so small that it doesn't have any impact.
I think that that's probably I should be a personal trainer. And I have clients that, that I would train them and I and if anything, I built my business around, gently, incrementally increasing the intensity, because no one wants to come back after being absolutely throttled through a session. But it slowly it works. But then there has to be the money, monetary commitment to me over the 1015 weeks or whatever, you know, six to two years training with me. It's like it does work. But it is hard because we want the feeling of like being ruined in a session is mentally satisfying the some degree because it's giving us a song or doing something
we need indicators.
And we're extremists in the West. I liked being an extremist, I've had to become an extremist within the context of looking at my life over a decade long span, right? Not a decade, like over decades. And so when I when I approach my herbal practice, because I used to be quite like a mega dose. So you know, I'm taking like tablespoons of things, these things every day
you do on the company. So you got a
good stash. And that's, that's partly why I do create the company in the first place. But even when it comes to physical exercise and herbal ism, I really have started going is this useful to my 80 year old self? Yeah, right? Is this gonna have me at 80 and 90, being able to walk up a hill, breathe easy, have a conversation and really be able to hold complex ideas in the same time, which is, you know, I love the fact that we've got Krispy Kreme sitting there. And some of the most ancient Taoist tonic herbs for restoring the pure life force of the body. Because really, as we know that a beautiful quote, The sign of true intelligence is the capacity to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still function. And I think that is so critically important. And all these like, Is it really useful for me to absolutely go with thrash my body, the gym, especially if I'm not really in touch with with what's going on within my joints in my adrenal, when I'm doing this, is this actually useful to my 80 year old self? Now the thing about that path that's sensible in relation to yourself, you know, has an appropriate amount of excessive action, but majority is just this nice, sensible and very sustainable way of going about things is it's not that sexy. Yeah, it's not that sexy on Instagram. Yeah, it is sexy and how you feel in their essence because sexy is something that you should be really embodying within yourself and who gives a shit what other people yeah,
right? I said documentaries, Ronnie Coleman, one of the world's best bodybuilders. And he was known to be one of the strongest guys in the gym, most muscular one, you know, I back to back and came from nowhere coming at every competition to then when you just coming first, for the next many, many years, documentary. So sad though, because I looked up to him when I was young as a bodybuilder. He's fact he's had so many back surgeries. He's in pain. 24 seven, and you just see him with his family. And he just, he looks, no, it's just a sadness. He's a saying the best side of it, knowing what he's, you know, accomplished and where we left in history. But he's not thinking he wasn't thinking out of your old self. His goal was so focused on being the best in that moment. But it's not. That's a shoot that's short term. That's in the moment, thinking it's not forward thinking exactly.
How do we then live in the moment, but not think too far forward? To remove us out of this moment? Good question. Because like the idea, then is integration to the present moment. And I like consistently, and hopefully I can embody this through my practice is integrating my past experiences and honoring where I've been, and ensuring that I'm representing that in each of those phases that I've gone through, because what's when you get into hardcore diet, or hardcore fitness or whatever, quite often, your identity comes through opposing where you've come from, right. And, and the same with identity in this very moment. I am, you know, I'm into natural foods, or I'm into raw foods, I'm vegan, or I'm, you know, keto, because I'm opposed to big fat, and I'm forming my identity because they're evil. And the way that I was brought up, has left me with autoimmunity. And I got this and I got that medication, and they destroyed my microbial biome, and right, and then now this is who I am because of that. And it doesn't like contradictions, right. But in reality, life is full a contradiction, but you want the contradiction to arise within and not externally, when your external identity is formed. Because there is a group of people that you go and hit your wagon to non stop your form, your external identity, then is like, where about this, because we're opposed to this. And ultimately, that leads to mental issues, you can't actually generate your values of health internally. And you can't actually even have the patience to sit there and communicate to yourself why you would want to make certain choices. And not it's much easier just to take on a dogma, like, like, you know, like raw food is a more like activism, not to say that I don't agree with those kinds of things being an activist sense. But I want them to be in existence. Because from from a value system emerging within and I want your mind to be slippery enough to be able to make changes if you need to. Now in terms of the past, that's what I mean about integrating with where you came from, don't get into what you know, whatever you're doing, because you're opposing the fact that you were a skinny kid that was bullied. Now, it's great for marketing that you have like an official story of why you got into things. But people this is the thing with social media, and I kind of felt it in the early days of going and doing talks. I've done hundreds of talks now. And social media, it's even more of an issue you you start to get carried away by your stage identity or carried away by your Instagram identity. And you invest so much into it that you lose yourself in that identity and then it makes it very hard to actually make sensible changes that are going to be really appropriate for your life long term.
Yeah, what's in a boat you feel like you're in a box? You are in a box?
Absolutely even prison yourself. Mr. 97. Yes,
has just drop down the rates order. I'm gonna let you get into the ice and you you tell us what's going on? Oh,
yeah. Oh, my gosh, here we go. They've hooked us up guys. So thank you Pachamama at Whole Foods you guys are absolute legend so I'm like oh, they've they've hooked us up. So this is these are chocolates so I think these are going to be royal chocolates something I'm all the local loves oh my gosh local loves I'm shout out to local loves their out like now made up in Byron Bay the best chocolates that put out wild crafted shoes Andrew Berry, which is my Indra sure Sam Suzanne Jim berry I mean if this all this orchard that we get this from is absolutely insane. What is your What is
Hey, we need that right now. So these aren't just organic she's Andrew berries that I've gone and bought here in Australia these are ones from our orchard on chunk by mountain up in the northeast of China way it's it's five flavor fruit let's get into
our come and try one as well a little bit of
injury like the ginger.
I wasn't expecting that at all. And so that's in the chocolates them so getting. So this is an incredible Mr. 97 you're gonna like this one for getting your libido rockin
one for getting the sexual fluids rocking in the body regulating hormones. This is it's an incredible liver herb. It looks like a team Tam wellness is like wow, these artists know road chocolates. It's gonna be hot. You're gonna be hot come by getting better than local love.
Is it dairy in this?
no dairy? No grain no soy? No seemed like no refined sugars as a good one. Okay, so that's some cherry and raspberry logo lives. All right. Did
you actually order those are like, No,
thank you. I just realized that. All right, now we got smoothies because smoothies are always fun. Yeah, I don't do them all the time. I'm not a big fan of putting like, Oh gosh, they've like
we've had to like, fully like,
Yeah, what are the what's your views on calorie intake and shit? Do we? How much should we focus on it?
It's not my area. I personally don't love it. I think it's such a small part of nutrition. But I really can't discredit it for folks who are in that place where they're having trouble of eating too many calories and they need a short term protocol or guide to give them the possibility to feel what their body feels like when they have less calories. It's like a short term means to an end kind of thing. I think as old diets and protocols should be people should try it. If it's useful. Go ahead and do it and then integrate it into your lifestyle and be able to throw away that calorie count and that is definitely what I think okay, no, no good daddy.
You're going no sugar daddy.
a sugar daddy.
No sugar in that one. So I'm in here. We've got they've added Mason's mushrooms. Yeah, crunches got sharga ratio. Lion's Mane quarter steps, my talking shit. talky Agaricus, Emporia mushrooms. Whoa. And they've also spiked some of them with lion's mane, which we absolutely love. So we've got like a tchotchke not one for Mr.
That definitely helps. He's mission to find a life partner.
Yeah. Chocolate is a wonderful aphrodisiac. We've got Smurf power is
nice it I wonder whether they actually put fica sign in it, which is the blue pigment that you get from from allergies like spirulina, really, which is actually if it is that quality, it's high quality and very wonderful, I guess
that you pull this thing out, it's like fucking galaxy blue.
I mean, fica signing is galaxy blue. It's it's very hard to get blue pigment. Sorry in nature. Now we've got just these like these kind of Cato style coffees, you know, got the gay in there and got NCT oil, and then got Mason's mushrooms, Trojan horse in your in your coffee. So I'm not necessarily against coffee, per se, but I think we should acknowledge the fact that it is a Yang herb it's a very stimulating herb as Yang Yang. Yang, you get into the yin and yang kind of style thing. So Yang is very expansive, it's very metabolic Ryan. And so we want a good amount of Yang in our body a lot of these herds that I have a Yang toning Herbes, but as we were talking about, like here with the mushrooms, sugar ratio Lion's Mane or more of these, like kidney Jing essence herbs to restore, like, you know, in that adrenal burnout kind of zone, you sit within the Jing Herbes primarily. So I've got you call me back his shoe, I put them into a blender called Jing, which they've all I think they've also slipped in. Now that's the other one is to 97 I want to get you on is gene. Because kidney Jing and essence is what is actually gives you sexual vigor and libido gives you that sex appeal exact sex on fire, because your kidneys actually have the ability to regulate how much cortisol is being released. And then on the other side of that you have the ability to create a nice healthy array of ratios of sex hormones, including that testosterone magic, and that's sexy, like sexy from the inside out.
Is there a difference between what men and women ate and drink? Does it does it matter? Or is it basically the same? Are we all basically humans with the same organs? And in the same shit?
Yeah, it's a good question. We are definitely not the same is like there there is like a big crossover.
In in cellular biology, and in you know, in many aspects of our organ systems that are absolutely the same and similar, and men, especially when you get into the sex hormones, and when you get into reproductive systems, it is so incredibly and beautifully different because of course crossover like men and women can take the same Herbes and both have a boosting effect to their libido long term. So I'm not going to short term aphrodisiac, synthetic aphrodisiac, I'm going long term embodiment of sexual vigor because it's an absolute sign of help
perfect for the life partners. Like we don't want some sort of Tinder one night.
It's this is missing.
This is missing 9750 and he's still rocking it.
Exactly. That is exactly what we're going for. And that's the intention. And so we've got a bit of turmeric in here as well just assuming is always wonderful, smells good.
I like it there has been so much beat up and not beat up so much publicity around the MC, not the MC to the the oils that you're putting into this. The grass fed balance never actually had it.
It's an interesting one that Kato world so first of all coffee, young herb stimulating herb. It's not a superior herb. It's not one of these ones that a gentleman that you can consistently integrate on their own, and they're not going to take you out of balance. But at the same time, it's a wonderful herb in that it's a regular herb category, it's probably one that in excess obviously is going to take you into a place of excess which is adrenal burnout, or you're going to be compensating for your adrenal burnout with coffee. So what I like to do is if you're going to have it First of all, consider getting yourself to a place where you don't need coffee, where you can just actually have one as as you choose to. But in the meantime, you can add mushrooms or jing jing Herbes to balance out the overall energy of that tonic
formation of a hub because you use everything seems to be a herb when you're talking about because coffee I never thought about as a herb. What is it?
It's a plant mineral or animal derived or mushroom derived medicine has a medicinal action I always thought of him as like mint and parsley.
Mary hooks gronk
you know I think Josh This is something you'd be into like a meal right?
right but this is the problem. I'm getting fucking pumped. I'm getting extra I'm taking notes and the problem that I need to be careful of is next week I'm moving to a new place very close by to the office I'm sort of I feel like it's an opportunity for I like to call it a personal rebrand and I know we were in your
office get a friend Gemma can hook me up with some laser hair removal and I'll be I'll be wearing the what is it cold a single it
well I mean like I like calling them wife made his wife
2019 why feta say why
that is a What is that? A specific the blue one? Is that a quintessential Australian brand or something or another quintessential Australian
brand you're just like this is just the bonds it's just the bond Yeah, I'm actually like we're in the works or I'm putting it out there anyone if you want to create either like you know an organic cotton singlet like this that's got nice stretch in the versatility may make it hemp make it make it bamboo or whatever. But as long as it's got versatility, I'll wear it and I'll like endorse the crap.
I can't believe there hasn't been one at a bone at a bar. It seems like there's all
types of them but like when you get like a lot of the time hip ones are just going to get like you're just solely at she and boli Yeah,
man. And to me, they were trying to smoke them in bar. This is
this is Marina will, but it's like a blend. I fucking love these t shirts by a company called woolen prints. But I went away for four months last year. And I wore like t shirts for weeks at a time without watching them and they like odor resistant noise.
So I mean, that's like when it comes down when it boils down to it. Like there's like I need convenience at some point. Yeah, and I need to like I basically wear this every single day. It's my uniform. I did a talk last night. I did Yes, I looked at
some photos of you and I saw you in there.
It's a fucking p cocking uniform though.
Like I feel like even if you're from Croydon in Victoria and you're wearing that it's not doesn't have the katsu is on from Byron
Yeah, it's perfect.
This is epic over good.
Yeah. Right. So it's got that a room. I didn't Quito for a while but I did a terrible version, which was a lot of cheese. And it was I felt by the end of it like a big blob of cheese and
like I don't mind keto. And I think you've absolutely like you know, a lot of people who don't even do the cheese route, they don't have the bacterial or liver capacity to really move that much fat through the body. And so the way I kind of see it is their liver and their small intestines become this big boozing blob of cheese that can't actually digest and they start off gassing in these ways through through the bacteria through so much excessive fat in a way that starts loosening the the tight junctions in their digestive system don't want that no, you know that's a leaky gut. Yeah, and there's certain constitutions that rocket on Kato rhyme.
Like what is constitute What does that mean?
It's just a basic, you know, like, you know, whether you're whether you're prone to be able to metabolize carbohydrates or a higher ratio of fats, ya know, it has a lot to do with how, how much constitutional gene essence you were born with in your kidneys? A good way to think about it is Keith Richards came through with a lot of constitutional gene, right, he can go and go and go, but then we know there were people who like towards like, Okay, well look at ready. I mean, it hasn't killed him as a lot of people that wouldn't be able to backup once after a night out, you know, that's like that, constitutionally, they don't have that much gene Ryan. And so someone who's got a really strong constitution, you know, for instance, I was telling you, I was on that raw food for four years, I was really rocking it, my spleen could handle and I have a lot of time, just fire organically. And so it didn't, didn't come to my detriment, I made the change just based on my own will, because I knew that it was time to make that shift to something that was probably more accessible long term that I had a diet that I'd be proud to share with my kids, Ryan, Robin going it's just raw food, here's the book is the dogma, you know, I'm a missionary. So basically that but on raw food you see there are a lot of especially women, you already have inherent hormonal disturbances who don't have a spleen function which is able to really heat up and break down and cook the food within the belly and they do absolutely terribly unroll. It's the same with Kato. And it's shit. When you say people who are like, you know, keto is just like, you know, I did it and look at me now shredded. And then there's people in the support groups, right? It's like with anything, it's like with Medical Medium right now, there's people in these Facebook support groups. And as they they take particular people in these dietary well, whether it's veganism overall, or keto, or Medical Medium,
fucking loud helicopter
sounds like a pizza. You know what these are the people in the dietary dogmas and they know
just like, started like no just sent out there missionaries. This is actually
open rates, they've done a real extra special, they're coming down with road real traits such a mama, you've done
And so basically what they always do, and it's the same with herbal ism, you know, I could be in a position where I could go, yeah, everyone should have ratio all the time, no matter what. But that's a really irresponsible thing that doesn't respect people's instincts and the fact that people should engage with these hubs and find an appropriate usage for them. You don't pick just a few good people, and then only highlight that because then there's other people. And it's like, it's a bit easier with herbal ism, because it's not a complete dogma. It's just something that is on offer to include with a lot of education if it's if you're doing it responsibly. But in the dogma, in like the keto world, there's people within those groups going, why are those people rocking it so much? And why am I getting sicker? There's no one because it's, um, because the responsibility is to stand firm, but behind sets of rules. And what you've discovered is the big thing, and then what is the thing that works, you don't actually go and highlight the fact that there are very, there are a lot of nuances within our bodies and with what works and the time period and keto is an incredible healing diet, people with brain injuries, I think, you know, you should go into a state of ketogenic. You know, I like the idea of water fasting, I've done it and I done I will do it again, you enter into a state of extreme keto Genesis when you do that, and you start burning, burning fats and working on fats and you heal that long term. I there's no romance in it. And long term your culture needs to have this integrated Lucien of romance in terms of the new traditions and the way that you're preparing food in a way that engages your senses. It's more along the lines of like that Italian Mama, who's rocking in the kitchen and arm God that has to be in the long term. And you can't get that in dietary dogma no matter what they say.
How do you reconcile the use of Instagram for business when you see that there is so much misinformation or people who have great rigs to start with jumping on to certain trends as a way of just selling product?
on their good question, I talk about it all the time I talk about it in my talk last night, I'm the first to take the absolute piss out of adapted Jenny curbs, and taking medicinal mushrooms and these kinds of things off the pedestal so that they can be gently integrated, if useful into the lifestyle. Yeah. Now, in terms of jumping onto bandwagons, I think it's, I just think it's always going to happen. I can't get too worked up about it. I do think that it is quite irresponsible. If you are in the position where you start not just documenting your journey, but you just start actually sharing like, hang on, I found the truth here guys. The other thing I think if you're going to stop giving advice, I still run the super feast, Instagram, I still write back to every single dm, if you're going to make yourself figure of education, and especially I've really, it was a turmoil for me and years in terms of selling the product and educating about the product, it was really difficult for me, but I make myself accessible, non stop, answer all those questions, I do a high amount of training for my team. And we don't bypass the hard questions that may burst the bubble of our, our you know, our butterflies and rainbows take on adaptive jeans and tonic herbs were very realistic. And if we don't think it's appropriate, I will tell someone No, it's not time for you to be going for this you need to go and like go a little bit deeper, you need to be working with someone, you need markers within the body stop stabbing in the doc. Although I'm very, very much for people getting into their own sovereignty and taking the health back into their own hands in their family hands and bringing Laurin folksy remedies and herbal ism into the house, you need to really appreciate where your edges of expertise. And at that point, you need to look outside that bubble so you can learn and go to someone who's you're maybe a practitioner, or maybe just someone who's a teacher and then go and learn to get a few markers that are going to actually enable you to get on top of the symptom or whatever it is or the illness.
So owning a business like super faced, you've got a product that people you know, it's it's not within their day to day unless they choose. And you get people that are doing you know things like network marketing, so Isagenix, and these things where they try and talking about their product, like the thing that you're missing out on life, and you start feeling bad because you like, well, hang on. And I've always had the thought of like, if it was actually good for everyone, why the fuck wouldn't everyone be honest? And so how do you how do you tackle like with because from what I'm hearing is, if this isn't for you, if this doesn't work for you, you don't need to have this so that's that's just
all dude. I mean, I told people to like I had to finally accept this was something useful having powdered extracts and I put them in in like really beautiful ultraviolet Josh that bomb. And it presents really nicely, you know, I want them to be presented in the house, but it's still an extract powder in a jar. And for ages, I just wanted to bypass that and teach people how to go and forage their own mushrooms and Herbes. Yep. When I was doing the markets for years in Northern Beaches of Sydney, I'd have conversation with moms of four, who would just absolutely don't have fucking time to forage. Is that what they say? Just one month Trish, I've been talking about agent she had two autistic kids and two kids. I'm older. Like two older kids, two younger kids who artistic her husband had full time jobs. They're all into no bullshit, Trish. No bullshit, Trish. And I was like, and she's like, Oh, my gosh, you've got the mushrooms you've been talking about for ages. And at the same time, I've been talking about hydration, getting inflammatory foods out of the diet, getting off processed foods, it's definitely getting off pesticides and these kinds of things. I've had to get off pesticide Well, he can't get off pesticides, they're pervasive. It's a bit of a complex conversation in terms of you know, making the best food choices talking to the farmer, ideally getting local and understanding how it's grown in the first place. And then opening up your deeds talks channels, including the skin, you call in through your blood up and through your lungs and getting your lymph moving, moving. So you are not allowing those pesticides to embed within your body and embed within your within your brain and especially using things that are either binding like clays, and other things that are like somewhat delighting or able to, you know, help you detox from these like Zika lights. And so nice caveat here, that's a good one like, like, what don't just like it's like in business going just get a good bookkeeper.
And I like I hate that bypass, you know, just get off pesticides, because it's like, we're talking over 30 years here. How
do I do that? Yeah. And can I like, I guess where I get I struggle with is I can overthink things. So I've associated eating things, say eating fruit from planets or like planet of strawberries. I've now associated that with like pesticides and chemicals. And I almost like Can I taste that in these ones like, so how do we? How do we create a certain level of skepticism around things? versus being able to be a productive human that's eating a man it was perfectly put? I think just having that that's a quality question. That's what I like to like, I think each time we're having a problem internally, when it comes to our diet, quite often we're not asking enough of a quality question that within it already has the answer in readdle throughout it and then defines really clean steps you know, you're not going to it's not useful for you to go into extreme paranoia about pesticides being everywhere.
Especially if you get into the plastic free realm like I live basically, I endeavor to get plastic free I try as much as I can. But when I'm in a city I just don't freak out. I'm not freaking out right now that this is a plastic lined a surgeon rich cop, no matter what they say no matter how impossible it is. They're still plastics and those toxic Zeno estrogens within their do have the ability to go in and take down testosterone. But do I let that freak me out? Absolutely not. Because I have I have strict values in the way that I want live life and I want to feel primarily that laid. So putting me into a state of tension and stress is never going to be useful for me if it does. If it is it's only for short periods. Yeah, well, I have got this dress and then what actions can I take so that I actually, you know, can I may turn into something useful? So I don't know the exact steps to take. But I will say that if you just sit in increasing the quality of the question and and just lean into it and be like, especially like Why don't you want pesticides within your life rather than it being a rule? That will it'll be you know, it'll just be evident from the very beginning like what steps you should take and if
the cops are going to kill us I reckon the bestest flaws will get us first.
And so like you know, just thinking that Yeah, she's just like, you know, and I was like, Look Trish, you know, like, I know you I know you want the mushrooms but you know I'm really you you live near Lancome National Park you can go and harvest Iran. Turkey town machines there and driving this Wednesday night for kids will talk don't know time give me the fucking mushrooms.
Yeah. And I was like, wow, okay. I was like upset like, yeah, okay, this is relevant. She's got a strong intention. She's like, every year we get the flu, I can't come will not have the whole household going down for three weeks to the flu. And I was at the time, like, I got a two year old now. Right? I can like I thought the time I was like, really empathetic to that really hard. And now I'm like, Oh, my God,
it's impossible. I've got a two year old and he gets sick we get sick, then he gets sick and we get like, it's you just passing it on. It's horrible.
Just like it's just this big game of
So basically, with in that instance, she then we're like, right, how are we going to get them into your family? And so she was like getting hot chocolates is a wonderful way. And so for in the household wouldn't drink the hot chocolates to autistic children wouldn't? That doesn't work. What about berry smoothies? No, that wouldn't work. guy I'm like, Oh my gosh, I didn't know Trish was in my early days. And then she came back one day cheering and I was like, how'd you get it in, she's like, in this bag bowl made
a tablespoon of the Masons mushrooms. And we're just put that in this bag, ball charge and hosting and intuition. Important to do that with consent, not let your being got. And then when she came back after the winter, I said, How did you go? And she said, great, you know, everyone got the flu. But it was only for a week. And it wasn't that severe. And I'm really happy with that. And so that actually started to bring some relevance for me about why these full spectrum hubs that hadn't been isolated in their constituents. They were in a bioavailable form that could just be added to whatever you were doing within the kitchen so you could easily integrate it into your life which is that's where the roots of Dallas tonic globalism lies gently. And you asked me about China? Yeah, they're putting quarter steps and ratio in the stock, right? Yes, they asked regardless in the stock he should we're in the brogdale making wines out of shoes, Andrew Berry and if they're having a rice wine, it's such as Andrew and food, wine, you know, oj and then non fantastical about it, which is where I want to be with ton of globalism. It's a it's a budding conversation in the West. And so, you know, I have to, you know, put some spirit finger terminology on to get people's attention that
those things like what happened with Trish, that gives you the confidence, because I could imagine like, even selling myself as someone who makes videos in my early days, it's like you were trying to get some confidence in wins on the board, even though you believe in what you do. And then it has that been a case for you. So get on man,
I love this. This is like my constant internal conversation. Yeah. And to ensure that I don't go into a play place of just pure justification, because I have a few testimonials that might just go out willy nilly and market these things as something everyone should be doing. Because I've got that in the quiver to make sure that I'm consistently appropriately sharing these things. And because I've taken it upon myself to create a business out of it, which you know, at the same time, I really want to support my family, I really want to support my mom who had an aneurysm and ensure that I've got her set up for when you know when when certain things happen in the future. And so that's there. And I like to be really upfront about them. And I also like to be up front about the fact that I haven't taken investors and I don't want to take investors because that would be too far for me and turning this into something that's too much of a commodity that I can not necessarily control but God. But because I've taken it upon myself to sell them and educate about them in that interesting gray area where I do both. I really need to consistently humbly making myself available at every layer, appreciate that, just as it was at the markets where I've got new people that need those new distinctions and how to not just run it let this run off to become a fad in their lives. But they have the distinctions, how to appropriately do it, that yes, they're very Herb's, but it doesn't matter. They're still Herbes, and they're still going to have a big action and you want to integrate them into the culture and lifestyle in a way where it's going to be long term benefits and usage, not just that immediate, take the herb and feel something and get a hit like what I'm talking about. Now that happens. because someone's adrenal exhausted, they take you coming back in his shoe, and they feel far out man, like, I'm getting this energy. And that's the kidney system, the organ system. And then she coming back online, Simon, some people get on the mushrooms, and they hit the immune system and the receptor gets the cobwebs blown off. And they feel that ci and they go My God now go, that's wonderful. Feel it, whether there's been a deficiency or you're now reducing an excess, and you're really feeling That's wonderful, go on for baby awake, maybe a couple of weeks. But then when it becomes more subtle, because we don't want to use them as like, I just need to feel something. That's not where it's happening. It's not where long term herbal ism lies, right? jet you want to be like long term using them and just tending to the function of your organs and your systems with these and that as I go along. We're now reaching more and more people, I need to ramp it up even more so in constantly making that distinction. And I just can't sit on the back of it that I've been doing this since 2011. I've been doing this the entire time. There's enough content out there because you can find it. Yeah, no, I need to keep on doing it. It's my responsibility. But at the same time, I it's fun because the more I get to have that broad entry level conversation, to ensure that these things aren't just felt as a fad, or a cure, or something like that and something to be respected. At the same time. I get to have those real technical, deep conversations because there are more and more people that are really becoming tonic herbalists within their own lives and understanding the nuances of this tradition and bringing that and in graining that into the western health culture, which I really love. So but you know, to, for me to earn that right to educate on that level, I need to consistently might you might chop wood carry water and my practice. And I think it's an empowerment having a business and being really responsible with it, and put my face out there non stop and ensuring that it's effectively integrated. Do you think serving the Australian market, being this skeptical market that it is has made you a stronger communicator? Yeah, good question again, because you go to America, and I've got made some like, hey, how does it feel to be back in the land where people actually celebrate you having a business and making these games? And I'm like, it's wonderful for two weeks, but then it gets a little too inflating for me. Yeah, come back to the land of tall poppy syndrome. And it is wonderful. Yeah, the skepticism is great. And I, again, we were talking about Instagram, I'm not a big fan of the big, big American, you know, just like ignore what everyone else says and just go forth and believe in yourself. I think that should probably be like 80% Yeah, of it. But 20% you should definitely be listening to the scrutiny. And you definitely be listening to why people are just questioning what you're doing, and the validity of them. Because that will give you some biofeedback, you know, and most of the time, it's, you know, there's trolls out there that just, they're just trying to, like, you know, just like, just raise hell, but majority of the time people's intentions are good. And that scrutiny can be really used to sharpen your sword, and make sure that you're plugging all the gaps of how what you're saying could be misinterpreted. And, and so that's empathy. And that's putting yourself in all the different shoes. And that can be seen as a very silly business decision to slow down to that extent, where you acknowledge all that, but that's the decades practice. Right? Exactly. That's Yeah. And I go to sleep at night.
Yeah, you know, the Joe Rogan, one of the biggest podcasters in the world had a guy on top mushrooms. Yeah. Did you see any change in numbers of people wanting in Australia?
mushroom, was that Michael Pollan? Or who was that was all
dude that blew my mind him talking about mushrooms and and so I can just imagine that everyone's going up on a mushrooms and they're looking out for you. Is that did that happen? It definitely did. Because we're in a time now that like accessible information has never been more more accessible information has never been more accessible. And I think it's a you've been on this. You've been on the train since 2011. It's now you know?
Yeah, I mean, I've earned my right to be in this fashion as the wave really started crashing and the mushrooms really came into popularity. And these like when in the West in the West, we call them adapt eugenic Herbes. This is a very general general statement. And in the east, in one sense, we call them Taoist tonic, herbal, tonic, tonic herbal ism. In a event, we call them raasay honors. And so just so you get that understanding, where it's like, what's a tonic herb? What's the medicinal mushroom? What's an adaptive gin? And so we can get into that, but they're all in the same family. Yeah, when Paul Stamets happen, I had someone on my team watching the SEO on lion's mane, especially and it exploded. And we definitely saw an increase. Now, that was a beautiful thing that happened for me and not because he's in my colleges and heavily a scientist, right. And so he leans towards growing them in labs in America on I think, a growing medium of brown rice, which makes sense to him so that you can have somewhat of a standardized growing process. What do you mean that eating brown rice, that's what they ate, rather than than native? mushroom? by Norman brown rice to
suit the lane, little bit China? Yeah, I mean, like,
it's an interesting one, where I agree that in certain certain circumstances where they wanting to really have a standard product close to home, that you'd grow it in that particular way of westernized.
It's not the foraging in the mountains of China, and it
lacks romance. And I really, I don't think that's a bad idea to do that. I'm glad people like saw a scientifically and it's also in that realm of having a business and wanting to have something a little bit more streamline that doesn't have so much chaos embodied into the sourcing process. So that makes sense to me. not opposed to it. I don't want to give that to my family. Yeah, I definitely don't like if you will seek maybe it makes sense for you to like, be like, I know, this has been studied and standardized in a particular way in that practitioner realm. Yeah, go for it. In that sense, Bob, I want this ratio to be grown on wild oak logs difference between grain fed beef.
what if you didn't have one or nothing? So if you had the brown rice, mushroom grown or nothing for your family, which is it? Do you
go? I'd probably I'd still go brown rice, but I'd keep it on higher circulation, and it would be more of a regular herb number tonic, it'd be something I wouldn't integrate into my life necessarily. I'd use it for more specific medicinal actions. Yeah, if you know what I mean. Because personally, it needs that we're explaining date outsourcing and the cosmology and growing in particular areas that's got enough romance them that it earns the right to be within a kitchen that has the senses engaged, and he, Paul Stamets came out and was this like, I basically studied all these mushrooms from China, and you know, only nine out of 10 good, just don't get anything from China. And it's such a reductionist scientific way to look at it. And I wrote a blog about it going like, you know, damn right, I sold my mushrooms from China, I kind of see it, it's like, it was the only way for me to go about it, when I was randomly sourcing all the herbs very in the beginning. And I didn't know which ones they were, I just going to add ratio 12345. And now a different standards, some grown organically in America on grain on wood, and some from China, from the Dow in the hills, and others, you know, organic in China, and I found in some was standardized, so we chopped out particular medicinal components, standardize it to 5% or 30%. And so they chopped up the energetic ratios of the, of the herb itself. And I kept on being drawn back to the D dow full spectrum, there was something about my body that was able my organs, it was able to, like recognize the hood, ongoing link. So it was I was able to create more of a habitual action of going back to it without having to think. And so that's why I started going down that route. At the same time, I've been to the farms, you can see like, you know, at the, you know, where we're growing, the ratio, which is in the Darby mountains, it's just surrounded by wild forest, deep in the hills, its religious, only independent farmers, like, I'm like, has Paul Stamets been here and tested that one, just reducing it to its pots and just going I'll just throw it out, and, and just come and buy them from Australia. Whereas like, I'm from America. And I'm like, well, that's that's kind of cool. Bessemer very colorful conversation. I like having conversations that are very colorful, and I don't oppose other businesses that are doing their thing, I think with different caveats of society where it's appropriate to have different growing styles, and I felt very particular one, and I'm not sitting here trying to poo poo everything else. So you come and buy this. I didn't give a shit try him. Oh, yeah. And finally, where it's appropriate usage at the same time. Yeah, I'm there walking through the shoes, androgynous I'll show you a picture of it. And there's companion planting with pine trees, there's walnut trees growing throughout their harvesting, that there's weeds growing all throughout it, there's mushrooms going everywhere, there's no pesticides, and there's no organic fertilizers been brought from externally, right. And then and then light out, like you know laid out which would still get me an organic certification, then yeah, we test for pesticides, and metals, and microbial and Apple toxins. And all those kinds of things have such like with the city is about like looking at ensuring that we dry them appropriately. So I know mold grows in the transportation, and very particular about how we extract and so we've got one test of all those things and then another test on back at the facility then another test in China before we get them sent and then we get them tested here in Australia for the same I'm so on that side of things rockin zero pesticides. Beautiful like, you know, like when when you get to the standards of heavy metals, that's like, you know, absolutely knocking out of the park in Australia and absolutely knocking out of the park in the US. It's just like, you're a scientist, there's the data, and we got the romance. Yeah. And it's in a way that it's not an appeal, so you get to control the dose. That's how I like to do it. I don't want to be given a pill. I'm not sick.
Yeah, don't feel like a spiritual experience when you go to China. Yeah. And what does that mean for you, personally? Is it? Do you actually take a significant amount of time there? Is it a slow process? What does that actually look like?
Yeah, so I'm partnering, I'm partnered with someone to go and source the herds from independent farmers and ensure that there's basically one where the current farming practices are wild crafting, Bob harvesting practices there at that we get it as close to the wild thing as possible, with the least amount of human intervention as possible. That's the date outsourcing practice. When I got like, last year, in October, I was there for two weeks driving all over the place visiting different independent farmers. And for me, it is a slow process. I've got a partner there, that, that I've, you know, been able to create a very tight bond with that is, knows just how facilities I am. And it's almost more serious than me. And it's like, you know, someone that was able in the beginning to really educate me and going, that's a good question. A better question is this one and I'm like, holy shit, yeah, I never I hadn't even thought about, you know, I'm thinking about the arm, my own water and what I water I extracted, but I hadn't thought about it on a commercial level. And so those kinds of things, emergence, I'm, in that sense, I'm, I'm happy, I'm really, I can sit really happy in the hubs that, you know, Trish, and the students and you know, my own, like, my own family, you know, these are the hubs I'd want to be taking. And that's what I share with the community. And obviously, there's a certain cap to the supplying and sustainability in that kind of farming. And I just gonna have to be aware of that that's in now game plan as a business terms of going and visiting these places. Absolutely. There's something very primordial about the place, there's something very integrating and humbling for me, and especially going to places like,
whoo, dung mountain in central China, which is one of the birthplaces of Taoist philosophy going there. I mean, there's temple and I'm like,
temple isn't really exciting me too much. You know, I'm like, I'm sitting there going, and go to the museum later. And you can see the effort that at one point, daoism became trendy in ancient China, and the improv is gone. Let's mobilize 300,000 people to go and build these temples in the wilderness. I'm like, Okay, well, that's, you know, it's beautiful, beautiful, and it's a place of like, you know, deep inner inquiry, and you gotta respect that. And you can feel the pressure that's gone in, you know, which is light and hums. But before that, it was simply just humans that had gone into nature, to the places where there was spring water, where there was a growing and where there was wild hubs growing, right. And I just go, as we are all trying to do now in maybe a little bit of a different environment, just inquiring, just trying to like learn, what are we about? What's this about? For me? What am I values? And what do I want to accumulate and cultivate within myself that I think would be useful for this lifetime. It's not this institutionalized ism, just humans doing this thing. And we're using some tools that are useful in that inquiry. And that was the biggest thing I got out of my last trip. It completely took this whole I use the term Taoist tonic herbal ism, because it's useful because it is a system. But then I want to burst the bubble of that system and make sure it's very accessible.
Business wise, what's been the biggest learning through having a business and doing something is like, Is it a perishable item? Does it go bad quickly? Oh, man, I was like,
so smart. choosing this business.
got like a two year, yeah, grind to get shelf life. biggest problem we come in, because we don't add fillers. We don't add any filler that people use. Bamboo
Yeah, the bamboo is probably a good quality one, because we actually added I'm contributing some silica, but basically what the starch would do, standardize it if you're doing encapsulation of especially but also would suck up a little bit of the moisture. I don't want to put into phila, I don't want to put it in, I don't want to use capsules, because then I have to generally use a sliding agent to get it in through the, you know, through the machine and into the capsule. So what that means is, that's pure medicine, and it's just acceptable to humidity. And so that's just like, at the moment, we're just like, oh, we're gonna put bigger delegates in and just go on an education campaign. You know, it's like, doesn't happen too often going on education campaign, like, if it's humid, you know, we basically we really want to make sure that no moisture gets in, don't use, you know, like wet spoons. And again, like, maybe keep it in the freezer, you know, where it's a low, low moisture space, if you're not using it every single day. In terms of learning as a business man, I've been clicked on the year by this business. So many times, I'm quite a fanatic and creative type of can't believe I'm still doing the same thing. I'm really run up with the fairies with the next I idea. And the businesses really taught me how to like, just beautifully shoulder the weight of responsibility for the choices that I made. And being the CEO, like, it's only this year that I've acknowledged myself as a CEO of a company, and really started to really responsibly take on that role within the structure of the company, you know,
Why is it taking that?
Well, I've, you know, maybe not the last last two years, so much, but before that, I just inherent was just this idea of just running away from the business. For some reason, as soon as I could.
I was guess maybe scared by the consistency of what it took within a business to actually make sure that I kept it healthy. And then as other people started coming into the business, the responsibility of you know, knowing that this is a livelihood here within this company. I don't know why I was trying to run away I guess I was just someone you know, it was like, you know, I used to do it when I was a kid, you know, let's just run away. I was like, I'll go on another trip, you know, and I'll start something else. And that was really inherent in my 20s and and now I've got you know, got a two year old and and that didn't make me go better like you know, straighten up and do something I don't like it was just you know, just my
empowering and responsibility. And as I get older I lean into it more because it's like I feel like a fucking got my shit together. It's like taking it on but there is also you know, doing starting it a long time ago but then when I start something sounds working, it's like fuck, I can't believe this is actually working in some imposter syndrome happening and yeah, these things and it's just
a dojo or terrain or a biofeedback place for you to get that fit like Dennis get like all that's what's going on. I'm gonna have to work for it's not the business is the problem. It's the fact that I don't want to feel this opportunity I have to grow and evolve and see like, Oh, I'm an imposter on a possible let's work with that for a year or two. And that's I've just gone through it I just stuck my head down my bum up have a really good friend, Sebastian told German guy he's like have been done for a long time. He's like, he moved to Byron, you know, a couple of years ago. Lot of Germans at all, by the
toward your like, happy Sebastian.
And we kind of had up businesses going at the same time he had a sauna company has its own a company and I'd super faced him. He's, um, he's going a little bit over the wayside. A little bit more maturity in the area. And I was just like, I'd be like, Oh, I'm a little bratty selfies ago, like, I just, I feel trapped, you know, by this visit. And here. You are trapped. Enjoy it. Yeah. And it was like a really, I told him the other day, it was really defining that one moment where I actually listened to that advice. Yeah, you are trapped. Yeah, really embrace that. Like,
if you have hyper responsibility, you are where you are. Because you chose to be there. Exactly. Everything you did, every decision is led you here.
It's not useful to blame the circumstances. And I was kind of leaning towards that, you know, things happen in the family. And you know,
Chris got me He gave me the confidence. Now it's, it's, it's so human. I love that Josh and I've spoken to so many people in this podcast. And what I love is that is the human experience feeling like you not worth it for time feeling confident about it ebbs and flows of your emotions about what you're doing.
Exactly. I mean, and that's like I'm what I get to do is actually completely in alignment with that I learned about emotions, and the five element theory, and I learn about how emotions relate to the way ci and electromagnetic magnetic energy moves through different organ systems and how it transforms through different organ systems. And if there is a stagnation of ci, or this, this forgetting of how it's cold for the chain to actually move through an organ, and transcend one frequency or style of movement into another and get that blockage we can see a residual of, of emotions or negative emotions. And we can just gently work with that rhythm of the chain, unblock the physical organ, work with Herbes and practices that move that cheese and give us enough space. So we can reflect on those emotions so that she can then remember how, and continue to move harmoniously through the body. And more and more and more, hopefully, our organs will not give rise to these, you know, quote unquote negative emotions and more to our virtues, right, which is very personal can't learn that in a book about, you know, it's nice to be able to choose to choose a life where the work that I'm doing is actually you know, I can learn about it as my job. Did you
feel like you were trying to learn everything through a book where you were a student of four hour workweek or anything like that? Did you get into any of that stuff? I mean,
I respect like, it's not like Matt is like, you know, Tim Ferriss, you'd be listening. I respect your work. Yeah, not like it but no, I don't work that way. I'm not I'm not a systemized person. I'm very, you know, I'm very touchy feely, I need to be out there experiencing things I need to experience them I have a long term I'm not quite I've curbs my fanaticism. I'm still an extremist in my own right. But I feel like I've kept that into a place where I just keep myself on the edge of chaos. These days are a tipping point where you felt where you are identified that you'd gone too far. What did that actually look like? Um, and yeah, I've made some I've taken on a few projects that were way too big and out of alignment for where the company was that really hurt the company. I've made that classic entrepreneurial mistake of bringing someone on too early. Because I'm trying to escape certain responsibilities and stepping out of the business I need to step into be like, my gosh, look at this shit, fight the finances and the customer service, which is not anyone's responsibility. But mine. Yeah, ultimately. So I've done that, and learned very, nearly some pretty heavy, but beautiful lessons, and that now we're definitely turning points for me. And in turn, I've had so many turning points, man, and it just keeps on going on. Like to be cliche, it's a journey, you know.
Doing it in barn by
was really useful for me actually, because I'm, I was like, if I'm going to own my own business, I'm going to do it in Byron Bay. And that's it. And that's, you know, now I've got where I, I really feel good about, you know, creating a little family of my own. Yeah, in the space, you know, like, and I'm close to the beach and close to the shrub, and also been a place that has really good infrastructure. And so I can run like a little business from there.
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I'm such a good question. So many things flood into my mind. Sorry, in terms of and what maybe we can keep it in, in this conversation of that we've had today the crosses over into herbal ism, but I really feel it's it's a good exercise to sit there quietly. And really feel yourself in the present moment not opposing or at least feel the resentment if it's there, or the ignoring of where you've come from, and just sit with that so hopefully you take away the charge and then really go decades as far as a useful maybe it's a week or maybe it's 2030 years into the future and feel where you want to be at that point and how you would like to really feel in that moment and what some of the variables would be you know, strong knees you know good cardiovascular health nice I can I will play with my grandkids are so simple, are they so simple, and just sit in that and feel that and recognize that that's this is an intention that's going to be with me for my entire life, most likely, this is pretty safe place to take action from
that's great talk show. I just want to add
some you know, listen, being honest with yourself and listening to it. Like I just know, as I've gotten older, even recently, I've just had some realizations of some things that I wasn't being honest with myself about. And it's it's truly empowering, actually feeling those and going, Okay, that's what it was. Even if you haven't verbalize it, like I think these stages of going. I recognize I wasn't Honestly, I'm internalizing it now. And then the next is verbalize it and actually leaning into that. And it's like it's a journey
is as beautiful distinctions that like the fact that we're having these ongoing conversations and magic. And I would definitely just throw your hat in the ring to keep on having an ongoing conversation that you're going to be having for the rest of your life. And that's what we're doing here. There's no like, and so those are the rules. That's how you have a happy life
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