- January 29, 2018
The latest we’ve recorded an episode of The Daily Talk Show. While it’s storming in Melbourne, we talk about swearing, specifically around our religious mates, phrases we’re over using, picking yourself and Josh’s favourite podcasting app.
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When Tommy was a stripper and his wife was in bible college – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2REos47hNns (VIDEO)
Happy Monday, everyone. It's the daily talk show. What's going on. Teacher
like the intro. Well done. Thank you. It's the the lightest we've ever done a podcast. Yeah, we just sneaking this one through
8:20pm Monday the 29th and do these
21 degrees? Yeah, it's been Melbourne. Absolutely scorching hot. last couple of days. My little boy didn't sleep much last night. He's in bed. Now. What? Do you have a gun? Yeah, we do. It's not never. But we live door opener pushes through to our moon. Have you done the math on how much it costs to run it? May our power bills been like $500? I don't know what every three. It was. Right. So this power company. I can't remember who it is. Energy Australia. Either way, they give you this option. You pay by this date. And
you pay at okay. Anytime after that date. It's like $850.
How would they rewarding you for such like for so much? There's such a difference that they they're either like doing you're really good solid. Or they're fucking you that no one's giving now solids. I told my energy companies doing you a solid? Josh you don't want to.
I realized that. If I'm speaking to someone who is a bit religious. I won't swear as much around them. Yes.
Oh. So you know how I went to New Zealand? Yeah. So I went to New Zealand maybe a month ago for a wedding with me in this. My wife. I mean, she was a part of the wedding party. She was a bridesmaid and I was in a house and I need a little backstory when she was at Bible college I was a stripper there's a video on there there was a video we'll put it in the show my point is she was doing something different with her life when I was doing something questionable I didn't think hers is questionable but
say that but it's very funny but my point is the same question but while living my life
she was the pure while I was the I get the rat back anyway so she's got a lot of friends that steal from the church he'll song yeah and a lot of them work for heels cost all that will this cold Pentecostal church i'd enough that. I don't know but Hilson singing about Hilson. Yeah, it's the the big concerts. There's like planet shakers. There's a few of those real to get this the guy so Amy's best friend was getting married and she was a bridesmaid and the guy who was marrying them Yeah. What are they called celebrant? Yeah, the celebrant was the dude who started the hill song she reached do you have that rich vibe? He doesn't have reached vibe. Probably it was probably reached before after i'm not i'm not trying to
church. He's got books and he sells books. He's doing well. Yeah. And he's not what sort of is the book called The Bible meeting right by the Bible pub to he actually he writes some good stuff anyway, my whole point to it. I was in a house staying with the husband's of the girls who were part of the wedding party and you know me if I can swear all the time
and by the end of it they you don't realize how much you swear until you hang out with a bunch of Christians yeah
that's gonna be the title of the podcast
and I felt bad for actually now I didn't feel bad but I sort of center they would wins every time you'd say fuck one of them is an absolute legend he messaged me because he was off getting you know told what to do by his wife and their friends and driving people around yeah and he says I want he misses me he says I want to swear like Tommy jacket right now
that was close he got to drop an F bomb it's a bit it would got me thinking speaking to it Christian dude today and I was realizing that I was saying fact why less now it's like you know what it'd be the topic guy that I would like to listen to this podcast or be a shame if he didn't listen because of this because of the swearing
yeah it's it's a funny thing like I told you two years on radio never once wore
that's pretty impressive that and that's the rules when there's no rules in place I'll get a bit loose I'm a pretty like I'm a loose unit in regards to I think I would swear 70% with clients like with most clients you can guide you Yeah. Hundreds Engadget well you ever gauged it wrong Have you ever gotten a bit of a can't say that now but maybe that's my lack of filter around that type of thing so maybe it's maybe you would have been the moment going on mate I was so proud of myself because I you know you know why that had context dropped the sea bomb with one of my clients who was a lady who was like
scientist bit begin the gender inclusion diversity times in the same I said if that guy couldn't that guy just stop buying and
it. Because she like it. Like, you know, I think that all of this gender stuff can give people a bad rap as if they're
that you've got to tiptoe around shit. But she was she was actually the most politically incorrect in some regards. And anyone I've ever met. And that's like, yeah, across the board with like, working with NGOs and stuff. The people who are like you would assume like the activists and I sort of thing sometimes have like the filthiest man
Well, I think you really can feel in the moment that it can either bring you really close. Yeah. Or push you very far. But if that's only if you've read it wrong, so I think it does. It makes you up a bit. Yeah.
And he started ringing Why did it that's like,
it's like when someone says something really nice to you. Yeah, yeah. And you sort of have this out of body experience. Well,
if there's been Christians listening to it, this this podcast, I've dropped off at the one where we played the Craig half of 25
rules of success. But I am I think, fact has become a word that we can just use pretty openly without it being an issue. Maybe kind of want to use it more around people that don't like it. I like I feel like the What do we got kids? Do you said in front of birdie? Yeah, he's
on the he's not even a year? I don't know. I think I'm okay. If he swears. Billy has to know what? Okay. Yeah,
like timing where you are. And why using if you're using if you're putting white behind it emotionally, you know, it's charged. Well, that's why I feel like maybe I do overuse it because I am because I would say a few times in every pod like and it makes me realize because every time I upload the podcast I have to click like, contains explicit language and that's my fault
my brother started telling me off the swearing around he's really who's nearly two or yeah she's really to do you
feel I don't know if you answer that question Have you ever you have you have a small one in front hardly know move fact. We know you've done that the at a position where someone said I can't do that
at school and stuff like that. But yeah, now I don't know. I think I think it becomes a bit more clear what's okay and what's not. Have you ever been told offers and that all that like you can swearing now just in general,
being told off as an adult? Yeah,
it's not ideal. Is it? what pisses me off? One of the things you just don't want to be told anything about? Is you parenting, it's like, have you had anyone? No, not yet. Not yet. And like I said, I see people look at me when I like in a strong body around he loves it. And I think it's like it's all my choice to do what I want to do with my key because I'm the one and maybe this parents that are and don't have the field but I feel like I know the limits of whatever we're doing and what we're playing and one where he is so I haven't yet been told off but I feel you definitely feel I know you only had the punch on with the guy at Luna Park, remember?
Well, he thought I was gonna walk into him and I and he and he had a go at me and I actually thought he was telling his kid to watch out for that guy yeah, dad, he was telling me to watch out for his kid Yeah, when I was like my keyboard to watch and I tell me what seemed
like such a weird point is I would see him You should we watch your worries going okay, I tell you what, having a break after a weekend and when you are doing this podcast thing? Yeah, it's like you actually I've had so many things that I've kind of wanted to talk about that's nice because you start thinking in that in that way of going oh, we could talk about that in the podcast or I could bring it up like a YouTube channel all that if it's just like 110 now you're not 100% I will I'm doing
I'm actually on track to be doing 110 if you were to base it out from
the days yeah which is good well all Power Team I want you to do is I would love it for you What have you been thinking about what's on your mind so and I know you're you're you do this and it's you get on like these I might be a couple of weeks or might be just one way clients know yeah that too but using us for a turn of phrase or like a metaphor or something that you just get out there he talking to other people using it using it online so always say when it was people's birthdays are writing their card life to God and dig it which was Joe Dirt
you remember the film I love God I could have a watch it you'll direct a there's some of those homes you're dead there's the Napoleon Dynamite gotta get feel like they wouldn't be as good second time around but anyway so you're talking phrases in my phrase at the moment and it's and it's like Guess what?
Dave right you guys it's an actual phrase yeah it's quite deep it's like advice and it's not mine okay what it is I think these things are resonating within me at the moment and prison is a big word at them I resonate so this one is
don't wait to be picked PS SF garden yeah and I love Seth yeah he's amazing you've got every year poke the box he talks about that a lot but it but it's so I think for industries like media radio, TV online YouTube channels like it is it that is the explanation of that saying don't wait to be pick pick yourself
well I reckon if I'm just doing a search on my medium which is like that you know like writing articles and stuff I don't know if I took it down because it was I saw the other day and embarrassed me because I literally was yeah when you write stuff
I think I have what you can assert your medium page I was just on my medium page and I've literally I have edited I can you see your
sandwich appointed this but my point was I didn't articulate the on the article that was on there and I think I just deleted up with picking yourself my usual capital letters and shit and I was just like so let's talk about it yeah
it's um. I was having a conversation today about somebody okay if I had to convert offered up this piece of advice two days in a row okay number one was to my friend who was very close to getting on the block okay second year around run about renovate your own fucking house is that we
actually didn't, but he was like, are so new year, they said that we could probably we might be contenders for next year. So I'll probably just like hang out, probably see if they all contact us again. Gain and you know, follow up with them. But that scenario where you're waiting for this channel nine. And you also fucking know these producers have so many people like How many times have you thought you were going to be on something and you just you so far off, but they're just hedging their bets. I've got 100 people that they getting this and the same that to everybody. And that's the example like of my friend. I think he's talented and I think would be great on reality show or TV or whatever. But it's like those things that saying embodied what you're waiting around for. So picking yourself, I guess as a radio presenter would be having a podcast. Yeah. Because the only difference is the money. Yeah, really? And more audience money. Yeah,
I mean, but if you find an audience you find the or having a the difference between having I guess a regional radio is that there's a few things you getting the discipline you getting an audience, you getting an understanding of sponsorships, advertising content directors being part of a big car, like a cog within a big machine. I think that that's worthwhile. But as soon as the land that shit you got, if I can get out of there, and everyone
wants to get out of that big call. Yeah, and most people are stuck on. Oh, yeah, I think a good example is and I you know, the Barefoot investor. Yeah, he does. A finance dude. Legend. I've worked with him doing video stuff. And he does a radio spot. Yeah. And I know it's not. He's like bread and butter. Yeah. But if he was to do his own podcast building one day a week, yeah, sorry, one day or every single day, five days, like what we're doing? Yeah, he's got a profile. He's speaking yourself. That's not waiting for produce the girl can you come on the show to talk to us? Yeah, I'm so. So like, that's what I see where there's a lot of people who have these opportunities. And they might have put in this pre work and they've got this amazing opportunity to pick themselves.
So many people spend a lot of like, How many? How much time have you spent, this isn't to you. But this is to the audience writing an application for a grant went like,
my whole thing is like, Okay, how much is this going to cost? I'm not going to fucking spend a year trying to squeeze 20 grand from some company, you know, some organization ABC, or whatever, to then have all of these limitations around it. If you believe in your idea, don't try and fucking sell it to Vice how many people have an idea and they said be perfect for vice and so just fucking make it Yeah, stop being a decade about it. Yeah, Jesus have done well with the whole non swearing thing. Have an eye that picking yourself is a big one. I mean, it's funny, so true. That device thing you've even said that that would be fucking everyone does. Like everyone. It's like, all this would be perfect for Netflix. So this is perfect for Yeah, it would be but make it and then I think probably the, the thing that I found ease that I have no problem in picking myself. But I think where it becomes a slight issue is when you pick yourself but you sort of like deep down want to get picked. And probably the biggest example is those people who like go freelance which is their version of just being unemployed. So they saying freelance at the moment, but if I can job hunting or their stuff, and like, that's all well and good, but you've got to if you want to give freelancing ago stop going to fucking job interviews, like think about how many jobs in the last two years you've turned down? Because you like, No, that's not what I want with is it? I know that when I was freelancing five years ago, that it was sort of like freelancing with like, with one eye open on the sort of job listings. The only reason we're doing this podcast is because I am doing what you're saying. I was doing some
freelance stuff, and I was trying and I thought the right thing was to get a job with a big radio station again, cells holding out and then I got one back in Melbourne. So I've moved from bond, I go back to Melbourne, and now we're here. Yeah, it's I've never done yeah,
I think like, it's all part of the learning. Yeah, it's all part of the learning. And I think if anything, you realize how quick and nimble I think the other mistake people make is, they think that they need to emulate what's already out there. So they say, Okay, well, I'm going to pick myself I'm going to start my own radio show. So that like, Okay, I have X amount of breaks, in fact, an emulator it I worth, like, that's not you, the biggest thing to keep in mind is what is your point of difference, you know, your, your point of difference if you're competing with the southern cross eyed stereos or the
are like AR n, or any of that sort of stuff, like they're these big fuck off companies, right. So the point of difference, probably from day job isn't going to be trying to interview like, all of the, the, you know, radio shows. interview. Yeah, and I think that that's, that's part of the, the struggle is, it's okay to be the small boat, if you're a big ship, and you sort of and you trade it like that way, you're going to be just a slow, whereas if you can use your advantage of being nimble, you don't have the limitations?
Well, I reckon that there would be majority of radio presenters out there. And people in TV that if you said to them, you could have your own you could have your own show on TV or you a big YouTube channel, you're a big podcast, this is your own radio show
a lot of them now that the ones that arena would probably choose the podcast or the YouTube channel TV presenters want to be YouTubers and youtubers want to be taping Yes, this is across the board every YouTuber like especially in a notice for whatever reason, the UK this seems to be a big thing. YouTube is getting radio shows, I've been really romantic. Think about the sort of mainstream media and wanting to make that jump and like go in there and realize the limitations. Yeah,
it's a picking yourself. I think that the one realization is that it's, it's a self discovery, it's something that you can't tell someone and just expect them to be able to do and most advice that's what I found. I've been so fucking disappointed over the last 10 years. Because, you know, listen to your advantage. It will you get you give people like, you see so much potential in people. And you're like, if only this person did like, how many times have you seen someone who's super skilled or super talented or super smart. And if they just did a, b and c that'd be fucking the next big thing. Yeah, but they don't and they're not. And that's the difference and that's why I like the people that I respect like brain I were talking about this the other day people that were your SPECT of people like you, people like Simon Taylor, the comedian, it's people who are fucking hustlers that are that are going to make it work no matter what that that the don't allow
all of those things that can get in the way to get in the way and then also like fact, respect even more respect to those who don't have the privileges that you may Simon do, which is that were black and white dude in Australia, but the people who are hustling and the creating a path for themselves, I think that's the other thing what what people want is a path. That fact I feel like this is our first Randy show, this is a sort of shit that I I can't
talk about, because I love talking to make this possible. I
ran children. But the reason people don't pick themselves is because by picking yourself, you have no guaranteed party, you have no guaranteed map. And what people want is they want a defined map. People want to be the people who want to pick your brain or that want
they want a job because it's a different mindset. I've I've worked with people where it's like, okay, you just need you need to do a beta, you need a website, you need us set up these pages, you need to freelance and they come back and they say out all I want is a job. Yeah, how much do you think that is these people like Gary Vee and all these entrepreneur is selling, selling this life selling this hustle life, right? But then there's people that are working for somebody that only might think that they want to be the entrepreneur has to because they see someone else do it, but it's not truly within them. So it's not really what they want to do. It's an accessory me but the problem with the entrepreneurship the problem with all of this stuff is that at some point we turned it from being fucking the unromantic small business to the romantic startup and everyone wants to be fuckin Zuckerberg because what people want I think he's influence and if you think about it,
that influence used to be in your brawn in your strength. He you know, being a peacock or whatever. And the funny thing is, the peacock in
is the fucking nerd who knows how to work a computer and it has glasses and that can engineer shit and that can make like makers Yeah, and I think that even speaking to
my niece, she you know, should be you know, for first year of high school everyone wants to be a fucking youtuber and
everyone wants to be and the thing is that love is kids like
the reality is just like not everyone smart enough to be a doctor. I'm not smart enough to be a doctor Yeah, some kids charismatic enough to be in front of camera and I think that the interesting thing is it's um i don't know if i think that these things are always exist people kids wanted to be on MTV yeah they want to be on jackass they want to be on all of our yeah get away and now they want to be YouTube stars and the problem is I think that for most of them just like get away what that people wanted didn't get away as I wanted to travel they wanted the limelight they didn't what they didn't want and what I think if we spoke to our friend jewels would tell you is it's not as glamorous as as what they think and that's the thing with even being a YouTuber like a YouTuber
in as a result if you are one of the you know, point 1% has success and has fame and has all of these things but for the most part it's creative frustration and working hard and it's understanding how to put a project together
yeah I am run people through today a whole bunch of editing things and it was like a workshop for creating video content and maybe just realize how much monotonous sheet I've done yeah, and I'm still not even that great. Yeah, like I can make videos I can make ones that when I came at ones that shape but the amount of little bits and pieces my point of it is you need to be show into that something Yeah,
all the all the time like it's not sustainable. And I think video and I think podcast like you do we put this podcast up in five minutes after we finished
and it's because of the 10 years have you been a nerd? Yeah doing this. So the fact that I was doing this in 2005 The thing is that the reason I didn't have to YouTube how to do it is literally what I learned when I was 15 years old making the Josh Jansen show and
and so the YouTube as these young kids are these your nephew? Yes, thanks. Yeah. Friends. Yeah, the probably the reality of it is I won't be able to make it through all that stuff this annoyance most 10 year motivation why
you did I think that the thing also to consider is that even I think that there's this fee within our industry that all the young guns are going to come in and they're going to be fucking amazing it after effects and all that sort of thing. But the there's always a compromise there's always get. So if you're spending, you know, eight hours a day doing after effects, maybe you don't have great social skills, or maybe there's all these other elements toward as well. So you're going to get gonna get people who are great.
I think that the the people who are going to be really powerful of those slashes, which is the direction I'm going in, which is I went super niche. I did all the video stuff. And then I realized that Mike, actually, the only reason I'm not picking up a stills camera or picking up a microphone is because I've created this predefined idea of what I meant to be that I meant to be that a filmmaker, if you are going to be a serious filmmaker, you can't have a podcast or you can't be taking stills because what does that say about your craft? And I think that it's a word an interesting where we're at an interesting point where we're sort of, at the, some crossroads. But yeah, you talk about not being romantic about certain things. I think that that's, that's one of them is not being romantic around the labels around I'm a writer, I'm a filmmaker, I'm a photographer. And then
even where I kind of bring back to is like, where you post stuff like I feel like I only posted to YouTube because I'm YouTubers like whatever channel works you don't have control of unfortunately, absolutely. My Facebook page has more likes on that then my subscriber base on YouTube Yeah, and it's only because at some point it's really worked and my biggest videos have been on Facebook and you know so it's like I couldn't if I was to just be not YouTube only don't do it to that stuff. It's like yeah, I'll die Yeah, I
industry. And I think also that the opportunity when you are in the early days is it's like,
you know, I've heard women in sort of male dominated industries talk about the the benefit is that no one expects much from you. And then that can you can fucking fly under the radar and do amazing work. And that is the that is the benefit of
being a beginner starting even Catholic guy. His name's Dan Jesus, lightning. It's getting a bit stormy Dude, I think he did 10% happier or something like that. He was on Matt developer podcast. I know. Yeah, he was on Matt developers podcast. The ground up show. Definitely worth a listen. But he can he'll know. Dan Hey, Dan. Hey,
Dan. Sam, Sam. Dan, Dan Harris. Dan Harris. Dan Yeah, yeah, use a TV guy became had a meltdown and lost the sheer loss you should on on a national dealer should
have been you
fully had a meltdown like, yeah,
and then found meditation and ship, but he talks about the beginner's mindset. It was literally on I've got to give full credit to Matt and Dave Ellis podcast. It's such a worth a listen. And also just he's got his YouTube channel and stuff in the show. Now it will put in the show notes. But Dan, what the fuck is named Dan Harris sounds very similar to who's the Sam Harris Sam Harris was. Dan has
a very similar a similar Dan Harris. So in his latest podcast, which sounds like we're just doing fucking recap of other people's podcast, but he talks about the beginner's mindset. And what he says is, when I fuck up is when I think everything's gonna be fine. And I'm really confident said that space where he does his best work is beginner's mindset. And what he talks about is, it's when he's got the little bit he's got a little bit of anxiety is a little bit cautious. It's when you turn on the recording and on the microphone, you're not being some super loose unit, but you're actually being really thoughtful, and that is when he's at his best. I think there's a lot to be said about the beginner's mindset, because the beginner's mindset to me also
isn't romantic about the shit that you're doing in the sense of it's saying, It's realizing that you don't have all the answers.
And in fact, it's so for, you know, you talk about like, the phrases and stuff like that I get hooked on different theories or thoughts, or Yeah, there's one by the guy who is the main dude from This American Life, what's his name? Ira Glass. And he talks about the gap. And the, what the gap is, is it's the time in your life as a creative when you know what's good. So as a filmmaker, you know, what cinematography what looks good, the shallow depth of field looks good, all of these things are good. And the gap is when you know what looks good, but you can't fucking make it happen to try and film it. And you can't get the shot the way that it looks in the videos that you love, or you can't get the color grading, right. And that is the most frustrating section is when you're in the gap. And he's thing is like, that passes you continue, you work on it.
And that's part of the process. Whereas a lot of people can be dismayed where it's like my photo. I know what looks good now, and I can't do it.
It's an interesting, yeah, podcast recommendation of the week or two things. podcast app, what is it called? podcast? Why
it's not the call
pocket cast pocket costs yet. Pocket cast, it was like five, you know, I love paying for sure she'd love paying for apps and
the free version here is one. I don't think there is no, okay,
now it's six bucks,
six bucks. But it's fucking great. Because it will if you're listening to a lot of podcasts, it helps you manage them in a really nice way. So that app is really cool pocket costs. The reason I heard it about it was because one of you listeners is listening through that app listening through that and it's not you. It's not me. And I said, Oh, this this looks interesting. I started in the stats how to did a search and I fucking love it. It's great. It shifts on the apple podcast app, which is a piece of shit. But the podcast that I was going to suggest is called the accidental creative. I listened to like a 20 minute podcast with them today. Phenomenal. What do you think? Just
how I built this? Yeah, which is on opinions you call it but half of them are just like due to a fluke that Yeah, I'm starting businesses, big businesses that you know, we work you have jackpot lie, and you just hit the ground out how they should feel hot to a potluck. So fucking how they built these Empire. Yeah. And it's fascinating because half this shit that they going through in their head is exactly what the small business owner that will never scale his business. Yeah, he's going through and that we're all equal in that way. Absolutely. And so there's, you can, yeah, anyway, it's worth this into two things to wrap it up. Yeah. Have you drank coffee before this episode? Yeah,
you did your time. Early. Early. Early. what's hot
like 930 this morning? Yeah,
cuz you're a few fact in Hades Really? is always on such a like a low before this. I think it's all the fruit. Yeah, we had fruit before the kids. And I think it's, I'm feeling good. I gotta have shit done today. Now. So if you're listening to this, we haven't been we haven't talked about this. We haven't put it out there on our social media. This is also tend to please Are we really appreciate everyone who is listening. Yeah. And let us know early listener. Please let us know. We do have the P o box. I fucking check it every day. And literally, I've only had two things send and they're both being packages to being for the pair box. So I have to end up like going anyway. It's a disaster. What is the pay of ice cube? A p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 3067. And if you're doing it from overseas, just add Australia there for shits and giggles. But fuck. How good would it be the first bit of mail that we get? I'll send you something back as a fan. Shame will pay you to send us and I'm not saying no. But I'll you know I love buying shit. I'm gonna I'll send them something. All right. We're wrapping this up. Great. Thanks, everyone. This has been the daily talk show. Remember, you can subscribe to us on all those podcasting apps, including pocket casts, which I mentioned. We're also on YouTube, Tommy's youtube.com forward slash Tommy jacket, which is what was the latest video you posted. And we just made one that I can't release yet. So it was the Craig half of one gray carpet.
the live version of what you heard the other night. The successful seeing as This podcast was kind of a bit of info or at least a bit deep for us. It's it's on that same level. But still, Gregg Harper is worth following as well as Instagram. Where's the whiteboard whiteboard lessons on Instagram and Craig just search it on YouTube. You'll find him anyway,
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