- December 21, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Friday December 21 (Ep 244) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, Ryan Jon visits us from Perth. We chat about why giving no advice is sometimes the best option, we visit Quad Lock to drop off the ham prize, putting up your hand to talk, what social media channel should we focus on, buying too many books and making podcasts independently.
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It's the daily talk show. 244 is the number.
It's a fat Friday is Ryan. JOHN is in the building.
Good to be here for the daily talk show Christmas.
It was the it was the impromptu Christmas party.
We big media company Christmas party. Yeah.
It's the last day of the working year for majority. How long? You been on holidays now?
Two weeks? And I did call you earlier in the week. Yeah. And you said us commercial radio Fox in your lazy Christmas holiday month?
Yes. And I didn't disagree. Yeah, yeah. I mean,
it's when you're in a metro market. You actually get the the survey periods. Yeah.
Where's when you're in shopping in the survey? Right was the whole time you were there. You get a survey?
No, no surveys. It was just work. Take a little bit of time off each year. And work Saturdays please. The thing about the podcasts are we don't really need to have these big celebrations because we're going to be on doing the podcast, the 24th of the 26. There's no break. Yeah, we can't blow our load too early.
So you're having a Christmas Day edition. What's gonna happen?
We've got Matt develop in a minimalist
show. I mean, since you guys mentioned him watching some of his stuff on YouTube.
He's pretty good, isn't it? Yeah. He's great. He's pretty he's just like, like, he has the full like, he's got everything. I think a good youtuber needs, which is good production value, consistency. And biceps. Yeah, dude, Are you impressed by his biceps? I haven't paid that much attention. But I know that you mentioned Yeah. Really? They're really solid works on them. That's
so the data talk show now has a YouTube channel right? Yeah. So if they were the keys to good YouTube being you guys, I consistent tick. No, no, no. That's okay. Well, there's some work for 2019 Yeah. What was the other one?
production value production value? production value
production value when we do do something is hot.
And you vice? Yeah,
I said, Let's feel yours because we're feeling my why what is that muscle cold?
Your is it brackeen forum, like your radiologists and brackeen. It is a forum for our muscles
to get to smarty but we're sort of we're playing a game of guests, which I'm messed about with. Yeah,
and my comment was because it's like a classic character to have some guy who's got a big forum on one. Yes. Like, how much does that dude actually masturbate? Because that's the weird thing about the dude before but then Josh is I are not hang on. Try it out. Feel my hair. Feel my forearm which one is harder? And it just went down a real weird rabbit hole. There's some statements that I hadn't heard out of a male's mouth before
he made a male's mouth. a male's mouth but it's a mouth mouth. You've heard it? No,
it just I'm just referring to men because men have penises. And if you're a female with a penis, you can realize but I'm just saying
saw a Josh is a very sweetness and
lovely. Yeah, Julie said it shocked me.
I love it. They were not even gonna say what it is. But it sounds filthy.
No, it's just a bit we It was like, dude, have you actually grown up?
What do you mean grown up? What was the bit?
The conversation that happened in the badass days before this podcast could have happened in a grade five playground? Yeah, yeah.
A bunch of guys in China.
It's nice to be able to. Yeah.
To 44 Yeah. We already said yeah, that's me. That's me wrapping this up.
No, I like it.
So Ryan, john, for people who are new to Ryan. You're normally in wi during your Breakfast Show. You're in Melbourne it by heart. Yeah. Born and here for most of the high school until I moved off. Yes, I born and bred and then realize that this is like real fucking bogus. Yeah,
I didn't actually know a bread man. Yeah,
it sounds like you some form of like Leisha of
rods not doing cats. I didn't want to mention bread.
Third time on the show.
Well, third time is a full episode guest that I made a brief cameo. Was it early this week?
Fourth, I'd take I reckon you're up there with Derek. scooter. Derek is the highest return rate that is like
2019 to be the most regular, regular guest on the most regular
most dumps in a day.
That's what you're hoping for. So who's this screwed? Derek? Tommy been on?
twice, two solid episodes. But he's a
Yes. So big brother. Yeah. First one big brother and then crashed an episode legit by accident. You just can't do that. Because actually taking the Can you do the other day? Yeah, Derek literally walked into our studio here. Was it Oh, God. And then he came in, or flustered?
Because today is the Christmas party of the dare talk show. And like you said, For most people, it's the traditional last Friday of the year. How are you guys going to look back at the podcast for 2018? In terms of how do you think it's gone? And how do you think you guys performing? And what's your thoughts on it? And you don't have to have said this because I'm hearing some podcasts specifically don't have guests because they think it's better without others. More guests all the time? Sure. What's, what's your read on 2018 and what you've learned.
I think the thing that we've learned is that we're not from one or the other. We're not a guest show. We're not just a personality show. And the way I was describing this to Peter Shepherd, yesterday, we're talking about it. It's like a pistol. pistol paid is actually a guy I worked with called pistol pay. So it's probably about a million Periscope. Like Periscope. Periscope. But no, it's I'm trying to emulate what a friendship is. And so the thing is that if you just talk about tactics, and how to be more creative, and all that sort of thing, you know, a real friendship is about being able to talk about how you rank and for me, okay, yeah. And so I think that they are liable for a lot of people. Yeah. And so I think that that that is probably part of it. What main one is,
why are you saying that? So the person the podcast that is the same every time is like going to a party and there's a guy in the corner talking about the exact time Yeah, thing every time you feel like he goes deep a lot. And you just like today,
I don't feel like we're alive when you say a friendship because when you have a friendship sometimes it is the two of you and sometimes as other people and sometimes it's not. And this is not know this friendship works like this. And that's it
is I tell you what, you're pretty right here, though, because their friendship doesn't put their hand out when they want to speak in a conversation. You just did that. I didn't
want a very chatty show at the moment.
On that before this time. So
to speak. I'm fair enough. Brian, what would you like to say?
Is that a producer? Do you remember the conversation of the hand thing?
Not really, we just sort of had to because like I said a lot, a lot of chatty people, but I've never before my current show had to do it. Never thought of it.
You're unless you've got a threesome happening yet. Which is a different scenario than
it is. Yeah.
Listen, put your forearm down.
Well, I thought it would be similar because my old show was 10 years and I which is on paper tube it was actually a for because we had been to use radio was permanently in because we liked her. Her name is cat. Yeah, we just invited her in the studio. And then after juicing that was really funny. And he's had a really unique laugh. And it was just good to have around. Yeah, have a bit of long time. white trash, Matt. And so there was four of us. So I thought all it won't be that much different cuz I've come from a show with four. Yeah, I'm going to show with three. So like,
there's a hierarchy. there's a there's a status play, you know, you've got the different roles, you've got the hosts, which are the court talent. And then you've got the news radio, which is a different class, you've got white trash, Matt, which is the bottom of the barrel.
Yes, with that name. He's but you set
it up to be and so when I think when there is I thought I would find it hard. If those three mentioned Hamish Andy and another Dude, that wasn't a young person used
to be Ryan Shelton back in the day. Really? Yeah.
That was that
got rid of? Yeah, yeah. Well,
they got rid of Brian, for that reason is because that will lock all it's a bit cloudy. There's three guys trying to be really funny. Let's go.
It's complicated as Ryan Ryan's one of their best mates. Yeah.
And says he produces their TV show. Yeah, I think he is as good as he was on radio. He's a better I don't know him personally. But I he's a gun producer. And I guess stick to your
strengths. I think the thing with a podcast for 2019 you have these ideas about what building up something is lie. And then there's the reality of it. And then there's the feeling of when it started to go, like a podcaster starting to get momentum. And I was thinking like, imagine if he's really blow up. And I felt the exact same way, it wouldn't feel as good as you think that it would not say it's bad. But it's like you're in it. You're tired. You're doing it every day. It's like you, you know your job. Now Ryan is the the highest of your career it's ever been. And I could imagine it feels like she did sometimes.
It's fucking I'm tired as fuck
every single day you the alarm goes off at four o'clock, and you think this is what I'm doing?
Like sometimes success is a delusion in your mind about it some sort of utopia,
I would have said many times, if I just got that Metro brackeen Wait, I'd be set for life. And I'd be like, rocking back too much Aegon? I've done it. Yeah. And I'll just sail off into the sunset, and then you have a job. And it's just the same as the old one. Just what
do you do then? Like, what's the, what's the copilot can tell you, I'll tell you life is fact
I can from being in radio from doing this with you, Josh. And having a discussion with somebody who was talking to me about like, it was it was almost like an old school discussion or a radio discussion about finding the character. So I'm this done with it brings this is last week. And it was like talking, you know, this person's an expert here. And they're younger. And so you basically defining a role before you've started the show, this person's an older woman who has really ingrained beliefs about this, don't you reckon that would be a great combo. And my thing is, unless you actually friends is not gonna work, it's not gonna last, because what I know, for me is that I could not fucking front up and have conversation, especially in this landscape now, where you're not going to get a million bucks for a show anymore. Like, think about how hard you've worked. And you're not at that sort of Melbourne Metro or like, and it's one step away for you. So you're the closest out of my good mates that I know. And it's still you need to be, I think, to survive, be actually actual friends. And or be willing to work through stuff and actually care for each other. So that's what like, that's why I think we just keep going.
We've talked a lot about radio over the last year. I mean, his any have a chat, like being doing the podcast? Has your perception of radio change, or is that just double down? Oh, I think I've just become more certain on the thinking of it. You say that, but you did deliver a ham today?
Who fucking decided on that? I'm like your mates with the guy who made me do it. Because otherwise I would have left the show.
So I said, I'd say you have a challenge to give away a ham. And
the difference between the difference between our podcast ride and your radio show is that you may act like you don't know that something's going on and you're like, Okay, at least need to know what the fuck I mean, what do you mean, as in? Ryan doesn't know, but he knows that I'm going to give away a ham but he's gonna sort of he's not gonna lie. But I think he'll be like Oh, you're stitching me up so it's Oh, God, I didn't know that you're stitching me out is like I this is a stitch up again. So what
literally came up with the Pataki giveaway a hand we stop no spin. brand.
Nice been nice.
hand around with Schmidt, Kochi.
McConkey, I suppose like get fact, I didn't even know. I'm literally my is this one another one you promises that we're going to make on this show and not fulfill? Because I've done it.
That actually is one thing that irks me is that if you say you got to do something, you got to do it because you can't just be thrown out. All we're going to do this and there's only so many times you can not do it before people go Are they just say things? Yeah. So I'm glad that you feel that. Just because if you said you're going to do it, you should do exactly. I was thinking
what do you think the amount of minutes of video footage on YouTube is people talking about? where they've been in saying sorry for why they haven't touched?
me it was the same with blogs five months ago. Sorry, five years ago, this is a really common blog post. Hey, guys, sorry, I haven't blogged in a while. But trust me, I'll be back. I don't do another post. It's like, Don't tell me guys
look at blogs that talk about when they basically apologies for not writing, see how many you can hear and then
not written after that.
I've want to say something about when you said in commercial radio, you normally know what's going to happen. Yes. That didn't happen a few weeks ago and Taylor Swift was in town. Oh, yeah. So my team thought it'd be funny to tell me that we doing this listening giveaway, but I had to give up my own tickets because we didn't have enough left. See? What sticks out? Yeah. And I just went the station live on air because about four or five times. I've personally paid for tickets because the station stuffed up. And it triggered you. Brian with stuffs coming up. And I said on it. This place is the worst. Like how many times do I personally have to pay physically and mentally for the incompetence of other people to work in this building? And then people call them unlock stuff the station that your tickets for me if I had to sit in the first place. We can't give you an tickets. I'll be like, yeah, it's cool. Like you weren't gonna raise all that listener. But my thing was, I need to set a precedence that when you give something you can't ask for a back. That's well, so I went on this huge rampage. Yeah. And then they come back and said all of us, especially just a bit of a stitch up, we thought you would just go on, okay, and then hand them over and you'd be the good guy. But instead he told every single producer personally and named them and told them how shit
from tactics was crying.
actually really, really Mickey for a little while. And then they finally were like, Oh, he's the tickets and I was like, night good.
Morning, and they gave him I think he's having on a Wednesday. Yeah, the girl who won the tickets was at a school so actually went to a school did a pay announcement, like, please come to the office and then gave them to us. It was a nice thing. And then at 10am on the Friday, they were like, all the whole thing was actually a joke. He's a tickets and I was like, No, I can't go now because we just did this whole thing about me not going to be dumb if I went like that's part of the story. I'm on it's 10am On Friday, the show's finished for the week. This is part of the story. You tell me what part of the show what's going on? Because it's already
there's so many examples of it's like the equivalent of if you go to a cafe all the time. Yeah. And then they they're always running late and it really pisses you off. And then they say, Oh, hey, just so you know the avocado the smashed avocado is gonna take a bit and then that's just the straw that breaks the camel's back. Nice. I I fucking white here all the time. And then for them to be
here it is. It's a bit of that deal. It's not the theme. The moment is that every little thing
that I think I'm sure that Bry stitch me up. It's a good stitch up I couples for partners to sort of walk as you know, the hot buttons like a hot button. Yeah. You just hit it's like I'm not finishing work on time today. Sorry. I'm just fucking having a huge blower. And then all of a sudden you become the bad guy that had this has actually happened to me when
It was it wasn't even a clear stitch up. It was Miller with Tyler sweet at night. I mean, it was when I mean Mr. Fly. Yeah, yes.
Wow. You miss your flight. And you can imagine that that is, you know, it's not just Amy's problem. It's my problem. And it's end of the
pay cycle. You get a call from Amy. Yeah. You spent a bunch of cash on a on a flight. Yes. And then what? And she's she calls you Is
she laid with? I've missed my flight. And okay, I haven't been able to make it. I missed it. The bus didn't arrive.
Not. And so what it what was your reaction? I would I can't even remember. Give me the cat the rental car companies never now. Yeah, because
she got a bus. She got a bus an hour from an hour away. And it's a door to door service. So you call up music? My flights at this time? Yeah. And they say great will pick you up here. They'll give you enough time. Yeah, she gets on the bus. She gets there. She has 150 bucks for the bus
gets to the airport. Crazy. But
it's like going from port city to Melbourne airport. So it's a
long way. She had a chef
he was with. So I already feel like if I missed. So I'm taking on her feelings about missing a flight with the baby. It's a little mental kid. And so I'm feeling horrible about her situation and how Lynn affect myself and our financial situation and her sister. And so I was pissed on my not the company who made you miss your flight just got you there late. Because they said what time and Okay, we'll get there paying for it. I was just adamant about it. And then she said, I've actually been putting on the next slide.
Because you can just instantly go down to like 10 you talk momentum, but all of a sudden you have to go to a nice guy and well.
Well, you couldn't lead with it.
What happened in the lead up because I feel similar to the Taylor Swift? It's, it's those it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. So what else is going on that day? Or with the rental car? Just finally the moment?
I don't know. It's just marriage my
grating is it's kids
going away like it was it's hard. was just
getting it getting that coal
or everything. I think it's just like I'm looking forward to Okay, I've got my time and I'm going to pick her up. And I know I'm gonna be there. And then just everything just gets thrown off for the best way to react. And especially I wasn't on it. You were made. Yeah,
I was always live to a lot of Josh, would you say that? Tom is the kind of flexible guy that when something changes in these plans? He's cool with it. Because I'm feeling like that might not be the case.
No, I think that Tommy's got to extract I think that
depends does Yeah, I think that like Tommy can be the most caring, flexible, easy bloke going around. But it turns out like Yeah, but if he's rattled if he's had a bit of rattled for the day, yeah, but the good thing is working with each other, you can just identify it. And so just like hey, Cam with me just been like your fucking issues to that. I just like, you realize that it's actually what you
said out loud. Oh, just notice all Tom's having to die. So I'll just go to my desk.
And I need to provoke because the thing is that it's still distracted. If you don't say anything. And same with me when I'm in a mood, if you end up having to feed on it, because it doesn't stop unless, unless you actively say, Are you being a bit of a piece of shit right now the way you talking? You just sort of keep on going. But when you go settle down, like normally it's a settle down, which if some people said that to me, if I can lose my mind, you're very good with it, you're like, some chill out a bit.
I feel like I try to be optimistic. And sometimes it's probably a bit of a detriment with a bad mood, you know, but something happens. So something negative happens. And you just like, instantly, because it feels good. I think it's almost a coping mechanism to go, this bad things happen. I'll be swayed if we do this, and finding that solace in some sort of positive thinking, are you that person, I'm the annoying, it's like the the typical stereotypical male thing is when someone comes to you with a problem, sometimes they just want to express the problem. Whereas I'll be like, oh, we'll just fix this. Don't fix just, I just want you to listen. Yeah. And so it took me far too long to learn that that's like a real thing. Hundred percent man. So I will go used to try to fix everything. So at least now, but then sometimes the danger is if you do the listening, then the other person goes are, this is the kind of guy he's going to listen to my problems. So therefore, I can go and tell them all my problems. And suddenly you become the problem guy. And you don't want to be that guy. You don't want to be the person that someone goes are finally Tom's here, I can tell you that all the shit things happens. I'm like, I don't want to hear that we should think
it's the equivalent of Josh, you not liking fiction books, and only ever reading nonfiction. It's the same feeling. I feel the same way as I feel that when people come to me, and I can't then solve it. It's like I'm fucking delving into a fiction book.
Well, I remember when, like, when Bry would be having her career or whatever, and she would have a problem at work. I used to think that it's like, I'm good at like, when she bring up a problem or vent or something. I'd be like, okay, I was always solutions focus. Okay, well, so to speak to this person or that personal, if you're not happy, just you need to quit pushing on one that does, yeah, she doesn't want that. She just wants to just like, and also the other thing, too, is even though she's saying, like, I'm not happy about this, this and this. She's only saying it to me as a way of getting it off her chest. She doesn't actually, because then when I'm like, have you said it to that? Have you said this thing that you feeling to the person? As I won, I'm actually just in a shit mode. It's got nothing.
I will preface this with me. I'm not. I'm a piece of shit A lot of times, and there's a lot of goodbye to me and podcast, you can go hard on me. There is one thing because I find that, especially in my experience with females, their morning to just talk and not
hear the blokes talk guys.
I like this, this is good.
And I've noticed Amy, I've seen a sister do it, where they talk about so they're referring about a situation that's happened. So they're like, I was talking to my boss, and he was telling me this and you know, I was thinking, blah, blah, I said this and and then she started she threads, what she was thinking and what was actually said into the same thing. So I'm trying to work out. Did you say that? Or was that what you're thinking? Normally they say Bray does the same thing. She was I was like,
Go fuck yourself. I'm like, Oh my god, you said that, you know
that? What did you say? Well, I just got it and kept working. So well. There we go.
That's it's interesting.
So you have to have many tests where you go, and you actually say, did you say that? I've
got to the point where I'm not as brutal anymore. Like saying do you say that? Are you thinking that? No, not thinking that. Okay.
He's it doesn't even matter if they were thinking it was saying because this is all you need to do is do this. Yeah, yeah.
It's so true.
record that fire down, play it out. And I wish someone had told me that five years ago, because that would have saved a lot of drama in my life who had just gone off. That sucks, man. Why? Cuz I almost,
I reckon that I used to think listening meant having a good response to what the person was saying. Yeah, but I actually worked out sometimes and I'll chew now. But uh, huh. Yep. Yep. Yep. I'm like focusing on something else. And then the end of the conversation like that was said that was so helpful. Like, I just happen to be here. I'm just like, but it's not even. Yeah, it's interesting. So like, I don't know how much we actually add. When it comes to advice, is
it a lot you can work at yourself?
And I think that's what they do. Sometimes just venting. Yeah.
I mean, how do we vent? Yeah,
there is it? I mean, there is a thought from primitive times in this existence, men. And there are things like Jim like, I know, I get a lot out of just being at the gym with a bloke with a mate of mine. And we just literally just pushing white dude around. Yeah,
I'm talking about Josh Yeah.
You might lift in a throw I'll throw it in around because tins lot is fucker. I'm
it looks heavy, you
know, it. It's a form of sort of being around and maybe that's what sort of that
like thinking points.
But there's an external thing guy on is that actually putting a drug into your body? So yeah, I mean, that's altering so where is like we're actually doing pushing heavy stuff. And yeah, be
interesting to see how our relationship evolves with now that we're going to start going to fitness first. And yeah, yeah, but
there's so much makeup there.
Who says that?
So you guys are going to gym together and then work together? Yeah, he's not crossing some sort of boundary because
we're not having sex.
In terms of when you work the way
Tommy described it, it did sound wait a little bit that way. We're sharing a moment it is very intimate.
terms of I guess, with any strong relationship we mentioned Hamish nanny early they almost scheduled holidays away from each other just so when they got back to work, there was that freshness and they weren't stale. And I guess you guys work together a lot in a small office. It could be like you know, Cabin Fever that theory of you spent too much time together you start to get into other's nerves. Also Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah.
Maybe maybe Tom doesn't realize anybody just said it out loud going to the gym he sees like, you know, escape and if that's his escape from work, and then Josh turns up
it's a good point. How do you I mean, this is I'm entering your space. TJ maybe I shouldn't go to the gym to I take care of an ad.
I think there's more benefits in I think
Ryan's got a good point. I don't think any excuse to get out of the fucking gym. So this is the problem Howdy. 2828 years in a row Josh?
Actually, I was at YMCA for a while.
It was good. It was actually before it was a different time. It was
many brands ago
many re brands ago at a point in my life where I thought was acceptable to not only climb Uluru, but we called it as rock back then. I've got all this footage was acceptable. Yeah,
well, that's why I'm saying it was a long time ago. This is back in the black faces. Coolio. Yeah,
exactly. Hundred percent. Sure. mccalla. I can get me into it. Yeah, it was a big it was a big thing. But
we'll talk about the daily talk show. Yeah,
we're talking about the hams. Yeah. So the My point was evil. You think that I sprung this on you?
You did? It was in an episode I hadn't heard. I never thought you told James. I'm pretty sure. And James warns you have the idea before you did the show. conspiracy. Jimmy. Yeah. is a good guy that you'd be pushback on anything. Yeah. And he's not to radio. Certainly. Right. It was and too bad. today. You soar through the what would you call the promise the ham you boy. I went and gave a ham to someone who email this. And
Rob ward. prologue friend of the show. Yeah,
winner. He was the first person we actually got quite a few emails this thing is you push back on radio but the giveaways that God works, they work they so we've got to play a grab.
I was I was
a little bit beforehand. All the radio people laugh at them. Yeah, the thing is, we wouldn't
we wouldn't have the money to have all the audio licensing. So if we did that, we would just need to do a bunch of Yeah.
That's true. You could throw to it and then you insert it after and then we'll come off the back as
what we did was every time that that happened, though, that would come back off and definitely ready to deliver. Yeah,
I'll tell you just what visually happened. The picture where it's on our Instagram. Yeah, so we actually already have it on the socials.
Can I just quickly say, maybe I can't say it.
Okay, Radio Network recently did a new website rebrand I work for them. I just want to add on on the website I'm thinking of really I was just thinking like it was AdSense so I was like, pulled in from Google so I was like, not making a huge amount of money on it and I'm thinking like I wouldn't think So Mike Why are you taking up so much screen real estate with these like dynamic ads anyway
we need to get the ham we need to drive to get the ham but we also need to drive to get the glitter cannon and the that was my idea. Yeah, it can really cannon and we opted for not the 15 cinematically the cannon not the confetti cannon. We went for the big the big girl. Yeah, it's
30 centimeters. It's just a big cylinder. Don't they? Don't I don't I don't know. Sorry, lad actually takes a lot by them. And I don't know that
you actually can do it. So we so we went.
Got that. And then we went and got it because we were like, this, Josh. The thing is, he puts me under the bus and says I have to do it. But then he's got this anxiety around having to do it. He's like, Man, that's your problem, bro. You fucking you've created this problem. You inseminated for you? Not made Yeah, but you still Yes, this what you've signed up for. So we ended up wanting to sweeten the deal with smooth
smooth over the other hand that it was great where we got the hand we got it, you know, really known to the Jewish area. balaclava in Melbourne, just because I was worried that there might be him short it's Christmas Christmas. Yeah. False like lots of him. Yeah,
but he might not be fully stocked there like that's on them to be ready for you think maybe
by did he somewhere? I don't know if this is just hype within the radio saying yes. But I think it was two girls talking the weekend. Summer breakfast
Yeah, it's this cold those two girls
five to 6am I thinking of
what's called those two girls those two girls
so those two girls I think that was saying how you had to go giving ya Pataki sorry. No Spanky
shit talking. So hang on you were counting at commercial radio for being so funny like if I hands then you drop in to get your hand and then listening to a commercial radio.
So I may have been listening because I wanted Tommy to win. The idea was that Tommy was going to win Yeah,
and I never won the him so we bought
it i was i was texting Tommy saying 13 1060 cold locking it gets the Carol, but you would oh by the time I texted that would have had 20 Prize pips
actually made it a lot harder now. They're trying to make people listen, they said
if you want to get a ham you need to order it in November.
Anyway, we got a we got a six pack of donuts to for the winner. Yeah. And his staff members because let's be honest, hands on the best price prize.
No, he's taking that home to the fam. And we need to reward that. Anyway. So we were walking to his office. And Josh we spotted him walking towards us. He's on his phone and I jumped into like a you know, a little nook, the front of a building. And Josh scrambled back.
That's where I just don't shine anytime I need to hide quickly. Yeah, I can't just walk normally. So it was just a very like a joke. So he would have straightaway just looked. Yeah. And he was like,
and then I was like I can't stop so I press record Yeah, on this would work. If it was writing I would go to the bit but I press record and got I said to TJ TJ TJ
so I've got the I've got the ham in one hand the the confetti cannon in the other
and this was meant to happen upstairs. Yeah, the office
Yeah, and I was just go go go so I've got these loaded 30 centimeter cannon and I'm just trying to get it and rob the dude's shooting himself because
he thinks that I got to
answer the footage is him just looking like I've got a gun at him and
what we're also planned was that Tommy was going to go down that data you haven't seen that that day and he didn't so I panic so I'm behind the camera going dad Tommy's trying to get the hippie can't get it and then I just go silent so it was like halfway through
like as Josh tried to use these working hand do it but it wouldn't work hasn't been working enough. Don't don't don't know. change hands to use my right and at the top of this strong and I twisted it. Anyway I shot this thing so loud. It frightened me smells like I'm smelling it. And it showed some confetti and there was a woman packing her car and had a baby in the backseat. And there was a like a wind screen it sort of protects the baby from things like the sun and August and it shot a massive Reuben into the the baby seats like didn't hit the baby hit the hit the wind the shield thing was a loud noise though.
Very, very terrorist attack like
so. I hadn't thought about the mess. It's gonna make it clean up by which was a nice touch. Oh, yeah, we got a box Who? Klay
Yeah, we cleaned it out. We gave it a good crack, we put it on, put it on the Instagram account. Best giveaway you've ever done.
We just paid someone's mortgage for a whole year so it's called Live for free. So it's like we it's like the big pay bills but it's like we pay mortgage for a whole year and we did actually hate giveaways but I like using the giveaway as a thing. So earlier this year, we wanted to give away a trip to London for the royal wedding. Yeah, and I was like nah, let's not just give away a trip let's hire some royal reporters. So see how you still giving away some calm? Yeah, but we're recruiting some people. We had all these youngsters and interns like applying and he's out video entry and 15 minutes of fame many people many successful presenters Julia one yeah. I have my first job with Sarah was through a competition. I think it's great. Yeah, so I was like let's do that. So essentially they still inverted commas want a trip to London, but they were our reporters and that was cool. And
that trip think about prizes on writing Sessions is like no one cares. I mean, the paper when k but then you don't know like you never hear about it after so they go that's a good way of doing
I had Yeah. So then you got to say the winners every day in London be like, hey, it's the winners of the row reporter Today we're at the front of Buckingham Palace so you kind of get listened to these gentlemen I hear it but I actually fought at the end of the four and last I think to have like you're like a segments almost like where are they now? So it's like remember in January we said we'd pay these guys bills free. Hey, bro, what do you do with the leftover money? Oh, yeah, when traveling. Oh, cool, because they only gave around the road trip there on the line. How was it on man? We're in like it sort of cashing in on Yeah, you spent the money like don't get the punch line? Yeah, hundred percent. I lost that bet we didn't do it.
Over there. What were the roving reporters like in London?
They were pretty cool that I felt like we were over there as well. Yeah, so we were still doing a lot of our own stuff. Do you think they do we're prepared for how much work that would not work I can Yeah, they did like a segment a day I can they segment modern day and we went into telling fun and that just tells a story. Okay. But for me, it was the the hiring process was way more fun than the London itself. Because instead of going for a whole month, oh, in a month, you will hear someone win a trip and that's all what happens from there was like, today's applicants are so and so and so and so we've got your journalistic assignment and you're going to go off and do this and come back tomorrow and if you do a good job, you'll be in the running so we had a whole month's worth of applicants and build ups and find that yeah, that kind of stuff. Which to me was
a team I'm in the hospital with the princesses
we didn't want to bet would you view it under pressure and we lit these people on fire? Got this the fiber guy to light them up and then spray them with hoses? And I'll be like, quick now to a 32nd report about fill in the blank Really?
shows on show real because that's the opening the opening scene in Brooklyn show real
Hello sir would you like your state media? Yeah, yeah,
it's a good thing. I just I feel like it's a very Who Dares Wins
so we do the most Who Dares Wins that we got these people driving blindfolded which just screams Who Dares Wins all I ever
was super easy to Tesla.
And they we did a wedding we gave away actually two weddings one was just the cash and another was we built it like people just call him like em a florist order the flowers and someone else called and so we actually accumulated a whole wedding on the show and
for free where people just would you guys actually fun
Well, what happened was that the these people won the two finalists and one of the couples one this wedding Yeah, and the other couple the grandfather was about to passed away. And the whole idea was they want to get this wedding done quick so grandpa could make it and so Perth just kind of like felt sorry for these guys. We didn't win. And so sort of that all we heard this story with And so yeah, run. The venue said you can use our venue for free. Florida will do the flophouse afraid and Dr. I said we'll do and so and that almost I don't know the actual value but I
skirted Derek I think the run is up did a better job got more than the wind.
But this is always the case guy Sebastian and Shannon know I'm on that
as I said that I was like hang on one got Sebastian one because the
city has brought me here then Shannon know if he is lighter was like the guy and then guys like
he's that's so true. Yeah, actually, I heard someone mentioning who came third? She had him or Shana. No, no, no. No. Constantine. Yeah. Constantine was in the list at an airport with her But no, someone was talking about. I've never been in an airport with a Lyft. Really? Yeah, no, I was on one. Yeah, there is one point Sydney Airport and that was in Melbourne. There was I just remember like the luggage or whatever. If you wanted to go from arrivals to departures or something. You know,
how continents doing?
No, she she that was easy, guys. I sorry. But do you remember she was the nodules? One she?
She had nodules on her thing.
throat was fact. Yeah, it's a good story. Technical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great story. It's a daily talk show.
For Christmas, what are you doing?
I'm, I'm in Melbourne for a few days. And so I feel the pressure of having to catch up with everyone. A little bit. Yeah, because I sort of like well, if I don't save on now then I don't know it all. Same. Next. Obviously, the daily talk show is my first stop very. And then what is it Studio 10 was
the first time I've come here not having just been on TV? Yeah.
So no bit to you. Are you a social guy? Are you like 2019? I'm caring less about social awkwardness and just being like, yeah. Oh, good. Like, but does that mean that I go to more things without care and just enjoy it and have the moment? Or does that just mean? Made me saying no, I've got the opposite of FIFO, which is fear of going to something and it's shit. Yeah,
I'd rather stay at home. Yeah. I live my life a lot of creativity or my creativity by my alone time. Yeah. So if I don't get a lot of time I get to be Nancy.
I feel the same way. Do you think it's a bit of a cop out though? Age? Do you feel like it's a cop out? You're the extrovert of the team. Do I like going to not I've become more like that. Like, especially with the family. I like this as a just chill. But do you think I know brace at virals could like, forever got anything on? There's always like a little bit of selling that she has to do?
Well, I think it's the it's it's almost it's the equivalent of a negative mindset where you go dark straightaway, does it? You know, it's like, it's automatically going there. Yeah. Whereas it's not open to it and then go Okay, well, why couldn't that work? It's hard to switch out of that though. My old man side that he's in. He wants to get out of the time to go.
Would you? Would your dad be the type that would go to bed? Yeah, you know, this is good. Yeah, I've done that.
Once I get like so many times, I'm like, Oh, I better turn up I'll have one beer and drive home and then a week later relax my car still at that point.
Though, I, I feel the problem with being holding things that you have, which we don't do a lot because we're a small place. But we have done a couple of times. And there has been moments where I'm like, Guys, I'm just gonna head off the bed. It's like my house is the cut my space. My only place in this world that is mine. And it's like, where I rest. And I can fucking be my self. And when people are over. It's like, we're not the queen. You no one can leave the table into the Queen's finish at all. No one can finish at until the Queen's finished dating. And so unless you sit sharing hot chips. Is that true? There is some weird rules. Ryan probably knows it's a radius thing. Apparently.
Our correspondent will correspond when she finishes they cleared the whole table. And charades is the thing that you have to keep playing charades until she decided she's done so you're sitting around playing charades like you don't you don't say oh anyway, but I get going. Everyone plays charades into the queen is done sure right and she likes charades that's a thing Christmas time everyone the family get together and play Sure.
That is I was thinking we were driving in Australia just before actually to deliver the ham to rob and we saw this guy and Josh this guy's this and and then we got closer. It was a dude who was slightly pudgy he it was fat, long gray hair. He had what do you call him suspenders red suspend red suspenders.
So he wasn't dressed as Santa it's not a guy he's everyday kind of
Oh, he's just asking for it like you don't rock around if you
look what he was wearing a mirage
yeah if you wearing red suspenders there's a bit uh i like this You deserve a day Yeah.
It would be had all dry head long fat dudes. This Tommy We even saw when I was a month ago he could have been It was almost timeless fires but bit too well together
when he was lying down lying down
and you like that that's definitely Secret Santa That's right. He accomplished
it's ready to go You gotta push his belly button and call Santa lands will jump out and you've when you want a million bucks
I love the idea of something that you have to go do something to a stranger to win because I love the stories of people doing it. Yeah
All you have to do is go up to the fat guy and say are you the kiss FM fat guy? Yeah you win the prize you can
con just a regular fat guys like no but what do you say?
It's too Is it too many bro like in radio now? Is there a local rules around like are you conscious of any one company
we're talking to Dan to both about this a little bit where we about the whole like you can't you can't do that anymore can't do that what you talked
a bit on which company so the
the company I'm with now is terrified of doing anything you know we're often like oh no legal said this and some of the smallest things that's like our legal preferred us to do it this way and I'm like why did we even talk to people about doing and
what is a good example that you can share of an idea that then has been shifted based on the your
part every idea is shifted at some stage Yeah, Tyree rallies the banners and then it's like everything you want to do is like Oh, he's the watered down thing we're allowed to example like everything we do
we used to I remember we nearly dropped Jools Holland off like a big crime into water.
diligent go into the water. Yeah,
but he was he was gonna wear like a black it was gonna be blacked out.
Normal like face black black down. Yeah,
like a mask? Yes. He was going to take it off. He was going to be 20 meters up. Yeah. And so we even did like this stuff. The stunt diver and stuff was like going into check the conditions on order of what it was like, but they ended up they couldn't get it insured. My actually just the Royal reporter I was talking about before, we weren't allowed to use the word hire or job because of all these reasons, our work overseas.
Well, no, just like if you offering a job, you have to give them a full time job. And I was like, No, just give them a job for two weeks. It's a two week job. I don't know but by the time you over it, you have to explain why you're explaining it certain way then you fuck off lost interest. Like it's and when you when you do anything about hiring someone then you can't use the word job hiring.
It's the Royal sole trader coming in, yeah. How's your IBM
thing was everyone gives away something to win. Let's hire someone. That's the point of different, great point of difference. We're going to do it however, can't use the word hire and can't promise a job. We have to say you winning a prize and like, well, the whole point was to do something different to winning a prize. Not yet. That's what we can do. However, we just need a word like this. win a prize.
doesn't really make sense. But if the legal team says that's what's best, and
that's all we do. When are you back on?
radio gets a pretty good break. So we finished two weeks ago, we back in late March. Now I think it's what is January,
March. That's mid January. I think we had six weeks. Are you life of Ryan? what's what's the latest podcast stuff that you're doing?
The voting season? Yeah. Yeah. So that's going to be new on next year. Okay, what is it? I don't know exactly what it's called yet. But essentially, it's just going to be more regular. And lock radio, because it's going to be where all my pitched ideas for the show that didn't get up going to the podcast little bit more sort of raunchy, just actually existing and really, no legal, legal. And the podcast I just did was really, it was good laugh, Ron, but it was very hands on in a headlock co hosts and you know guys helping with the audio. And I found that I was spending more time managing the working parts than the actually doing the podcast shows you guys probably had jobs like that way. Like, I want to just do the job, not all the organizing. So it'll probably just be a bit more of me with some sprinkles of other people rather than trying to find everyone who can get to the studio one time. So last run and probably just finish the season and release the same RSS feed and stuff. I think so because I was when I went for a while of doing a new podcast every year then you start at zero every got zero subscribers zero, listen. So I think it's easy to just roll on. And as long as that's not too different. Because you can't get on. I mean to travel. So everyone subscribe to my travel thing. And then your honor this year, I'm I'm teaching you parenting tricks, because you can't assume it's the same audience. Yeah. So it has to be similar enough to use the same feed, but it will be just more of the How It's Made will be a lot different. Yeah, but I've only really finished working today. So radio finished. So you've got you you just wrapping wrapping up the video jobs that I just finished up. Today was the last because you did a bunch of horse stuff. Yes, I was the reporter at large for the spring race and carnival. Yeah.
Which is had a job.
Wasn't tired. Yeah, she was hot and you'd have a job with
the deliverables would you have to deliver videos? Yeah.
And I just said, I don't really want to make ads. Here's what I've done before. And I can make stuff like this, but filmed at the track. And they just went the weather like 530 second clips for social law. It was Yeah, the videos for Facebook. And then smaller snippets, for instance. Because obviously it's there's only 60 seconds. And yeah, it was five or six videos over a five or six as one awake for the spring carnival. But then I films that come every Saturday. And I was like, No, I'll come for the first two Saturdays and film
gronk Marina Yeah. And then I'm done. Awesome. And then just over just released them week by week. So thing I'm missing your content not being on social media is off because I'm officer. I've retired from social media, I've just decided
it doesn't quite know
now that I just I'm sort of feel like I can't talk about it until I've done it for a year. But the idea is I feel like a new focus on deep work and producing big bits of content. I agree. However, here's the thing, sometimes there's new trends and changes. And if you don't know about them, and then you're off selling stuff. They're like, the last thing you want to happen to you is that a client goes, Josh, we got 50 grand, we want you to make this thing similar to that new thing that everyone's doing in your life. I don't know what you told him. That's what
you'd probably tell him fact anyway. Well, I mean, if you want to if you work with somebody, it's just saying do what everyone else is doing.
Hopefully, I can keep up to date just with my just being online. But have you got much website presence? Can I just go to Ryan john.com.
There's not much on there because
it's like a phase a Tumblr, tumblr full of
porn A while ago, when you're on Facebook. I was like, I want to keep people entertained on Facebook. I don't want to use Facebook as a way to get someone to something else. Yeah. So it's kind of pushing making the end. So I was like, if it's Facebook, I just want to entertain people on Facebook with the Instagram and put photos on Instagram. I don't want to use all the platforms to just send people to other platforms. Yeah, sure. So that's why the website hasn't been left behind.
I think Ryan's a great example, that of challenges. You're thinking around this social media stuff. I feel like you're spread across majority of
well, I read a book the other day was Roxy's dish anchors me.
Oh, yeah. She I saw she was on your show. She was on our show. She's great. What's it called
woody Bette PR is that her.
She's got many businesses, she's doing pretty well for herself. But her whole thing was, if you try to be on every platform, you'll kill yourself and you will start watering down your stuff, find the one or two that you're really good at. And just make them great, because if you try to be on everything, if you don't have a Gary Vee team of 26, people helping you cut stuff, you kind of got to focus on a couple and for me, that's going to be which a couple of my couple, you know, what do you think it's gonna be?
Well, I'm looking right now to 20 220,000 likes on your facebook, facebook,
facebook kind of has to be one just because the number
does it. But does it
seem irresponsible? Because the thing is, I've got nothing to lose. I've got 1700 followers on Instagram, it's not gonna hurt me. I've nearly by the like, will win nearly 15,000 downloads this month for our podcast, if you think how many people were reaching? It's like, my Instagram audience is like 10% of what we reach on the podcast already. And people actually consume it. So yeah, do you do you think that you need to go for that bigger audience because you've got it there.
I feel like I need to bits more like I spent so much time building it up. It's almost feels like a waste to let go. And and they are genuinely like, interested in my story and stuff like that. But I gotta be careful not to like spam it.
But the spamming at work. Have you tried posting a shit ton? Does it have diminishing returns? Sometimes? Yeah, yeah.
And so Facebook, I think this last he just posted anything, and off it goes. But now it's like when the algorithm change and stuff, you really got to make sure it was Instagram, I'd say it's more consistent. Nothing will take off and go viral, but then nothing will sort of died or just sort of consistent. Yeah. And then. So YouTube, I've
This is probably the one I'm going to just not worry about because because I feel like it's its own based. And you either go to commit, and you may YouTube it for five years, and really being in the YouTube community. Or you can just check something out there every couple of weeks and not could you though, like he said, I wonder if the difference between this isn't necessarily my thinking. But he's the rationale that's like, Oh, well, if it's easy, just to check something up every two weeks, maybe better off just checking it out, then not posting it all. Yeah,
but I feel like you got to make it for the platform. So if I make a quick fun video for Instagram, that's 2030 seconds, that won't translate on YouTube, it just feels a bit weird. And vice versa, you put it a 15 minute sort of story on Facebook, I can't imagine too many people watching the whole thing. So that's where it's for me, it's like you're on stop trying to do everything for everyone and just pick your little So Facebook, and probably Instagram or Twitter is just long gone mad, really use that. And then podcast but even the podcast, I say that is a almost a practice and a learning for the radio job. No luck. No one could listen to that in a market for long as it's just exercising my radio skills and ideas. You know, the creativity whole? Who's the James Alger? like yeah, quite lots of ideas and get better at it. So for me, that'll be
while you're doing that you're doing a podcast every single day, every week die,
essentially, which is the radio. Yeah. But
yeah, I think there's a bit more room to do some stuff
today. Do you think the radio stations Do you get a sense that there's any pushback on stop spending your time on doing a podcast, you've got a fucking radio show? Never
well, but that's because I'm in a position where I've never said you're not putting in enough time and effort to the radio. I'm sure that and I've been there for the opposite way of people a lot. You've got a radio show and a job and a salary. Stop putting in a net? Not for me, but you're saying other people work with have to have that chat. But you've got all know what works harder than spends more time doing work than I do. So I'd be that'd be very rich to have that chat with me. I would have thought yeah, yeah. And some of the other way around and walk on making this stuff. If you want it, you can have it. But you probably want, so I'll just put it over here. Yeah,
so they can have any of the content they want.
How do you how do you sort of draw a line between? This is good for radio, this is good for the podcast. We sort of pitch it up in the radio producers meeting. And then if I don't take it, you're sort of writing? I think so? Well, yeah.
But I think I just got to stop making it. Because I know it's like if you the more ideas you have, if you don't use them, you just don't have any ideas. Like what's the point? Yeah. And so I'm going to use the podcast is that, like, I'm gonna make it either way. You guys want it? You can have it? If not, no problem, ADA.
What? What stops you from putting out something? Like, for instance, I think, for me, I've grappled with the thought that I don't have a niche. Sure. I'm not specific about this I'm talking to. And so that can create a bit of a confusion. So sometimes it's literally just going, you're thinking stupid, you're thinking is stupid, because you've had some success before. So just put it out. What is it for you? Well, actually a really great example. Just what we're talking about is my friend Dave, who ran 300 kilometers in five days, based.
Yep, you came over to his house, Tommy, we have filmed this really nice little three minute video. Video does right online, that was sitting on about 1500 dollars for two months, money raised, and in 24 hours, they raised another 20 grand. So that video was like a really good investment. I did a podcast episode about it. And so the combination of those two things made about 20 grand for charity. I pitched the radio show, and they just didn't get around to it. And so at first I was real pissed, because I was like, probably the show didn't run this thing. And then my partner was like, you raise more money than you hoped. The video went wild on CHANNEL SEVEN, run it nationally. You haven't lost.
You wanted her to do is listen.
Just like don't feel annoyed that they didn't run it. He annoyed that they didn't get it. Yeah. And so I guess the filter for that one was like it was just a great story. And I wanted to tell it and I thought it was the best why to raise the most money possible.
like people knocking back taking some it's it is it doesn't make sense. all
they had to do is say yes. And they could have claimed they raised 30 grand for a cause. Yeah, give it three minutes. What
is your pushback? Josh? on people who are selling ideas? Yeah,
I don't know. I think that the Yeah, I wrote a blog post at Josh janssen.com. Just just about ideas, a cheap ideas, ideas and nothing without execution. So we shouldn't put any emphasis on ideas. We should be doing it. Yeah, I think that the the idea is kind of what does it actually say? What was my thought around?
I hundred percent agree. I could sit here at the end of the year and be like, Oh, it's going to do this charity thing but the station said no. So I didn't be better. Or I could call Tommy my stations not interested. So we're going to do it ourselves. And we had a great win
over Ray Josh told
me to write it down in my voice like an audio book. Yeah. Here we go. It's like a Seth Godin esque
Raiders. Josh, all ideas of
Josh, this is a Josh Janssen esque.
All ideas are bad. This is by Josh Janssen from the December 3 2018. The person who says there's no such thing as a bad idea, has obviously never put a knife in a plugged in that toaster to flick out a jammed pop tart. There are bad ideas. In fact, I reckon every idea starts that way. an ID is like a check yet to be signed. The value with all of its zeros, all of its potential riches. But a signature short. The signature is the commitment, a willingness to take action, a crack at making the idea happen. be skeptical, skeptical of ideas, people, ideas, hunches and assumptions. ideas don't make you rich, and they don't make you clever IDs a blank worthless checks until misaligned. I like it. I like it.
And this is exactly why my 2019 podcasts will exist because I don't want to be the guy who finishes off at the end of the year and be like, oh, but look at these bodies in my notebook. I want to be like, here's the episodes. Yeah, go listen. And if someone doesn't want them, then someone else will. Yeah. And that's how a lot of even client work is a lot of stuff that I've pitched to the station they've gone I really can't be bothered. So I pitch to someone else and they pay for it.
Well, ideas I feel like it's the equivalent of the same people who say I'm a writer, I'm a filmmaker I'm in this I'm a that the person who's obsessed with the term the noun or whatever the fuck you want to call it, is it a noun? So the
97 is nothing
you should be focusing on the actual Austin clown talks about it, you should actually be focusing on doing the work. So rather than being obsessed with, I'm a writer, that's what I do. Or I'm an entrepreneur, it's actually like, okay, you you're a writer, how much you actually writing, and I can catch myself for being like, I'm a reader. And it's like, I need to make sure and I buy books. Have you seen how many Amazon
been going a lot is slow the fact down? I'm just trying
to slow with the buying. I think we should the rating.
That should be a minimalist approach with books. I want. You only buy another one, if you've read it. Well, I think
that definitely how I feel about I think that I might my thoughts,
please hand up.
You've got five minutes in the corner.
What I was just going to say was I am
there's so many books, like I wanted to say I wanted to basically be able to be like, this is my year of thinking, This is what I want to be focusing on the buying of the book is the focus on this thing is important. I want to learn about this thing. And then now it's like the WeChat, the lead vs lag, goals and shit like that. I want to be at a point where it's like, Okay, I need to be writing 20 pages a day, rather than saying, I want to, I can read 50 books a year. And so by focusing on that day, I'm
reading a lot more
on the ideas thing. Yeah. Does it when you like, ideas on being an ideas person is worthless unless you do them. Does that then put more emphasis on the people who are around you, for instance, if you're a two man business, yeah, one of you is the ideas, man. And the other one is a great execute. Does that therefore be a good combination? Yeah,
I think I think we're definitely interchangeable. Yeah,
well, I think the thing is, it's that whole, like,
one plus one should equal three, not two, more than two.
Also, and I think that within a partnership, that's why you're doing it. So partnership ease, you're not necessarily a whole on you like you might be able to do a bunch of the on your own. But together, you're more powerful, because I think when he ideas, people, there's a lot of great creative ideas, people who are really terribly organized and sloppy on getting stuff done. But then there's a lot of people who want to be in the same business. And radio is one of them is really organized and really driven, but they just don't have that unique thinking brain. Whereas if you team up with find those right, three people and put them together, yeah, then that could be a real winning combo. And I think most of the good combos when you sort of think about that those, you know, what do you know values, but skills, they have all fair, then maybe some ideas are good, and your blog is wrong.
Ideas are bad. I don't see that, as you saying that. For anyone who tries to pride themselves on ideas. I think you're taking a great headline. So you tell me another layer runs the podcast is essentially what have been deemed a bad IDs because I didn't get up on the radio show that you've got. But it doesn't mean that you then take can't take those
yet until he's done it
exactly. But the whole premise of the podcast is doing bad ideas essentially doing it like it. Well, I think why didn't they make it their?
objective? Right? Because
you're just getting around to actually doing it? Yeah,
I think that I stand by the that thing around ideas, because I think that it is a it's a means to an ID is a means to a thing. Without the thing without the thing. It's fucking worthless. So you could say this, the, it's hard to sort of explain I guess. But I think like if you're, if you're planning a trip, or whatever, the I'm going to contradict myself, maybe it's a bit of a paradox, right? Because in some regards, the reason you plan a trip is to go on the trip and to do the trip, so and to actually do the trip, it's, it hasn't come to fruition in saying that. There's also a lot of joy in planning the trip yet. So there is a bunch of fun in the ideation. However, if you love traveling, and you only are ever in the planning stage, do you love traveling? Or do you just love the idea of traveling? And so I think that that's probably the identifying bit is it's like, do you? Yeah. Do you like making the ID or whatever? Or do you because there are some jobs where the outcome, the thing that you need to do is it is the idea. If you are a screenwriter, essentially the idea is make it look at a bunch of ways the screenplay is that that could be the face. Yeah. That's also the that is also in some regards the finish pace, but also the films a finished piece. Yeah,
true. Yeah. I was thinking when you were saying that about being a monologue writer for like the tonight show? Yeah. Where's we could sit around here and write a joke. Can you go? What a waste of time button if that joke is then read out by Jimmy Fallon, and you got paid two grand for one job. Even though you did exactly the same thing. It's very different. Is that what people get paid? There's some people they called faxes, because back in the day, you'd fax them in. They've got a writing team. But then they've got a bunch of fact, faxes and they'll just send out hey, this week, we're talking about Trump, Halloween, and whatever. And you just write zingers and fax them in. And if they use it, you just get paid for Joe. Yeah. Yeah.
So Milena. Yeah,
we'll let you wrote for Linda. Yeah.
So I have him on the
podcast. He's right. I've met him when we were both working community radio like six or seven years ago. Yeah. He was like a magician
at that stage is doing tricks. He still does magician stuff. Yeah.
Nice guy. love watching these. Yeah,
we just missed him from Allah when we were in LA. Or he was there the week after his like, I'm here he didn't disappear into
what's it? What's an idea that was deemed bad that you've had by other people? Or even one that you've done that other people on the street videos were not okayed by multiple radio stations? And then I'll do a few Anyway, I'll just do it on my own page. And then suddenly,
Merry Christmas. Sorry, I just got to the table.
Conspiracy Jimmy's on this walking past the door. Who would have
done that? In cameras like you can't go out in the streets and interview drunk people light it not know this session was like, there's just other boundaries. And this story was about bringing in lockout laws. And I thought it was my point interviewing grantees at 10am in the morning about the people that affects the people who are at two in the morning. So then the people whose opinions are on Yeah, so that like, you can interview people in the gronk than I did it. It took off online. And I was like, I'm going to go again. But if you do it again, it has to be on the station page. And Baldwin was like you said no to it last week. Yeah. And the same happened. He said no to things and other people have taken it. The thing with Dave, like I said, the station just didn't get around to it. And it raised 25 grand for charity, and I just couldn't be bothered. Like most stuff on my Facebook page is stuff that people haven't. And my Facebook page does a lot better than stuff does.
There's some, I think there's some real reward in not taking people's
I guess thoughts on your ideas negatively. But
sometimes it's a bad idea. And other times it's like, oh, we just we don't want to send the video to help or we don't have time to edit it. Or
some people just don't get it as well. Like the thing is that if you if you are a professional who knows their shit, yeah, sometimes, like I wrote a blog post about this, like you can be the exception. Like I think that what we do is
really low ideas of bad. by Josh Janssen read by me, Josh J. Yeah, this is audible, Random House audio presents, How to Win Friends and Influence People about buy a car. I've done it.
I couldn't say Dale Carnegie
except being the exception. Yeah, I think that there. If you are, if you are doing something different, if you don't ask, produces or people like different people within any sort of context, how should I do this thing? What are they going to do? They're just going to look back and see if it's worked previously. Yeah, they're going to say, is there any risks with this? It's sort of, you can't really go anywhere with it. We pitched an idea weekly, and got told no weekly, and then someone else did it. And it took off. And then the session was like, yeah, you can do it now. what's been done, we won't do anymore. And so that we did do it to these topics and almost didn't work. And I think that that's the benefit of being an individual is that just like, I can take this risk, and with the risk comes a reward. So being like, I actually think this is gonna work. I'm going going to do it.
Can I get date with you here? Yeah, this one guy was fucked on acid one night, I was an accountant. And I was thinking of quitting my accountant job to move to Thailand to do radio full time. So you weren't the guy. I wasn't gonna say
Where did I hear your heart that was super interesting. And I said
like this is the riskiest thing ever like I've got this high paying financial I'm kind of set falafel and induce just keep his job and I'm set and he said, sometimes not taking a risk is the biggest risk of all. Fuck you, right. And we're saying
by a fucking
radio stations are going to play it safe for the next 10 years and not the existing in 20. Because they didn't take a risk. What is the big risk? Is them playing it safe and not existing? in the
decade or two? Well, I guess the other thing too is how little digital was on the rider. you calling? It was Did you hear that?
I was getting fired off about the research
that I did. Was your phone. Yeah. Your who we call it was kind of Nova imaging. Okay.
I think there's definitely, if I think about radio in 2012. And how digital was saying then? And I'm just like, just saying that experience? I'm just like, what is it cold? When the guy always lies in the night trust him anymore? Tonight? Yeah, no, it wasn't Pinocchio, the guy who always lies not Robinhood.
God the shape?
Little Red Riding Hood? Ah, the boy who cried wolf. Yeah.
It's like my son, The Boy Who Cried? Yeah.
The Boy Who Cried? Well, if it's a bit like boy who cried wolf, in some regards, where I'm like, you guys didn't prioritize it. And it like you were thinking this, why now? Why should we trust you now to make all of these decisions around innovation, that I think that so many companies are just catching up. They're not on the they're not doing the innovative thing. They're actually they were in a corner. The fact that they're doing it only doing it now the fact that podcasting is like a, we're excited about podcasting yet. Like, I don't celebrate that I didn't say that as a celebration, because I just say that, like I say podcasting in 2000. And for and then I see what certain networks are talking about with podcasting now. And talking is if they're the figureheads of it, or that they're fucking some Heroes for getting onto this thing. Yeah, it's like, Guys, you have entered the arena? How many? How many years is that? 14 years after this thing. And there's been, you've had, you've been putting your radio shows on, say, for 10 years, or whatever it is. And now it's become that like, I don't think we should be celebrating that. I think that radio networks were so slow off the ground. And I hope that independent creators can see the
benefits of podcast radio
had a very unfair advantage in podcasting that they, as you said, did not take Yeah, there's apart from Hamish nanny who are podcast only now. There's no radio shows in the top hundred podcast very rarely. Yeah, I like you said, a huge head start. All I needed to do is chuck it on and market it.
And so that's why I just find like I I struggle with that, which is like, not I rolling every time because it's like, I also think that this kid reckons podcasting can be big. Here we go. Yeah, it's just like the competitive the competitive advantage is just like, reduce, reduce, reduce reduce to a point where it's I don't see what radio stations, what advantage they have. They talk about content and all that sort of thing. But it's like, the, the talent pipeline. Now you don't have to like, you can pick yourself and be doing that and be making the thing that you want to do rather than waiting to be picked by one of these now. Yeah, well, that's
what you guys, are you guys.
Go from shameless. Yes. Yeah. So they were pitching to Mamma Mia, and I'm pitching to other people. And they just pick themselves and say, Oh, actually, we didn't have to wait for you to say yes, we're just going to do it. And it's like, it's the same thing ever and a massive
FUCK YOU TO Mamma Mia. Like for them like it like shameless bang, like look like we, because shameless like, Michelle and Zahra was pitching it. And they were saying we want to be on like the talent, we want to be on the show and do the show. And they'll basically told, maybe you'll get the show, but you will never be the ones hosting it will have people on it. And they've just gone done it. I picked themselves. They picked themselves. And now it's like, I love when they scrape. They do string grabs of how the podcast is going in the charts. And you say where their old bosses sitting on the charge you say where they're doing it there, but I didn't work for
me. You guys picked it? Well, I both quit. They both worked for them, to them. And then they said, Okay, we'll leave and do it on our own. And you guys obviously picked yourselves number one podcast on Easy Street calling
outside of school to dare tell you exactly.
How do you reconcile the picking yourself thing within an industry that is all about being picked?
Well, it's sort of similar to the ideas before and that
I'm not going to wait for someone else to pick the ideas. I'm going to pick them and it just it's just a matter of where it ends up. But it's still going to get picked. And so I think, yeah, it's really easy to blame other people. And I do it all the time and go, it's fucked. And this is fucked. And as I get over yourself, man, if you want to say your idea, then you just make it. Yeah.
And don't combine it empowering.
It is it's also terrifying. Yeah. And for me, it's forced me to learn some skills or pay for some outside skills, which is always a risk. But again, if you if you're doing it, you're doing it.
I feel like I was why less of a cock head and arrogant, like maybe seven years ago when I thought these things but I think that now that I've seen, I feel like I've lived it now enough to be able to be like, all these things. Like, when big companies are thinking certain ways and doing certain things you like, they must know something that I don't know. And I feel like the longer you're in it, you're actually like, Oh, no, that's no clue what
Yeah, what they're doing. They're just gonna biggest ship.
I think when you yourself, you like growing and innovating something with bigger ships to protecting what they've got. Yeah, protecting what you've got versus growing for the future. polar opposites. And the big companies are protecting what they've got.
It's it's across everything. If you've got a big family, lots of kids, just quitting your job and doing something that could Raipur reward, or could fucking ruin your family? It's the same thing I think picking yourself across so many things is relevant.
Although What about in company level when say if a company's underperforming? There you go all right, underperforming, but let's do it. Let's couple of customers. So we just got to protect those couple ones. We got already pivot and get another 10 big ones slightly somewhere else? Yeah,
there's a massive chance that they'll have zero revenue if they do that. Yeah. And it depends if there's other people relying on them. It's so it's so late, if you've got staff and they're relying on you.
So maybe that's a leaner, much easier.
And part of it, too, is like we don't have all the answers yet. I think we're not making any money off our podcast. There's most people say number one,
number one, we're killing the gods.
And I think that that's the thing, it's like we can do like we were doing other media stuff that, you know, pays us. And that's what we think is the current where this current space sits. I think that the there's a lot of people who challenge is based on Yeah, but how, how are you making money for all this sort of thing. And I look at how the big networks are doing all this stuff. And I don't see the connection between making heaps of cash, and the 80% or 90% of the content that they're creating on their podcast networks, how they'll actually shift that. So at the end of the day just becomes this game of like, we have a combined total reach of 10 million people. And they can say that and they sell to advertisers on that. And the big business does. Well, yeah. But then is that good for the small creator? That is the bottom 20 30%? Yeah,
it's tricky. Well, there's a lot of podcasters getting huge download numbers and not making anything.
feel like there's an opportunity there for them to do other stuff to look at to be entrepreneur, I think that podcasting suits the entrepreneur. And we're not we're not monetizing yet. Because we're, I think still trying to understand this landscape. I'm saying like, well, we have a bunch more years before, we should be like, what other industry what radio, what radio personality does something for you, and expects to be the number one try?
Well, it's we I think there's the assumption that you have to make your podcast revenue by putting ads in your podcast, where for my podcast, we did an episode where Bridget was talking about her thoughts on wanting to be a mom and she gets jealous. Like she's to be excited when all the girls got pregnant, fuck excited for them. And now she's still excited, but she gets a bit jealous. And thank God, you know, it's kinda like rubbing it in. So that was a podcast episode that blew up and then news.com like our can, Bridget just put what she said in words, and we'll pay you X amount to run the article. And so is that podcast revenue? Pretty much? Yeah, exactly. And then so and then I did a podcast on a certain topic, and someone's like, Oh, we heard you do that on the road thing on the podcast? Can you do a video of that? And we'll pay this much? And is that podcaster? Me like probably? Yeah. It's all part of the big package. Yeah,
I think the people don't get it can't wrap their head around it because it's confusing, because it's so new the freemium model on YouTube, the people, people who watch your free content, just donate to you and give you money. But they're not actually paying for anything that they can't get for free. Some Yes, there's other ones that you get little extra bits. But if you didn't pay, you actually have access to all this stuff. And so that's a hard one for people to get the head around. Which it hasn't even really, it's now shifting, there's a problem at the moment of someone on one of those platforms, Patreon being the the $12,000 a month account just got ripped down by the platform because off the platform on another person's podcast, they said something that was deemed to break their two T's and C's, and they've now got it's super complex, but it's a it's a very new conversation in a in a in a field that is very new. So it's like the first of its kind. And what happens I wonder you talk about the legal risk associated with doing your radio show. Yeah, they having the same legal concerns across their you know, 200
podcast? Well, it's funny because often we can't do something on the radio show because legal didn't say so I don't want if I did on my own and have a legal team, so they can't say no.
And so and that's the thing is like I they can't have that the the onus is upon on the the content creator at that point, right. Which like, I think when we when we put something out there we are standing by them. We're taking
everything that's been on this absolutely.
One thing from me
that you would like to take
back now. I don't do it on the show. I just take it back after
and then I deal with it. I see you say it to me later. Yeah,
maybe. That's right. Like I shouldn't have mentioned that Amy was annoyed at the airport that one time
Oh, no, that's fine.
Because I said that she can start a podcast that just basically is about my bad. My bad. Right? And I'm okay. Yeah,
so talk show
successful with giving Why? Yeah. Is radio out of 10 what kind of how from a radio guy? How radio was that?
No, very because we haven't had any Harvey Norman ads in one.
Zero out of 10 we can always do one
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