- December 25, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Tuesday December 25 (Ep 246) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Merry Christmas, everyone! On todays episode of The Daily Talk Show, Matt D’Avella joins us once again! This time at Bondi Beach in Sydney! We chat about what he and his fiancé got each other for Christmas, bringing food in to Australia, the tick story you have to hear to believe, Bondi Rescue, swimming lessons, being a loose unit with drones, filming wedding videos and telling people how much you make.
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worth recording, with Josh Janssen and Tommy, daily Talk Show Episode 246 Merry Christmas, Merry Chris de Abella, the guy who wouldn't get any presents.
I got nothing this year for Christmas. I asked for everything.
Is this true now? We actually
know. So, uh, Matt and I decided to do no Christmas presents this year, not as my partner. And it's good. It's honestly I want to say. So what we did was we decided to take the money that we would spend on each other and give it to a family in need. But it wasn't totally selfless. I would say it was a 90% laziness and 10% compassion. What was it? Oh, pretty good. And 20%
How much did you assign $12?
I think it was like 250 each. Gross. I was like, actually, probably a little more than we would have spent on each other. But it was it was on Natalie's idea.
That's nice. Yeah.
It takes the pressure off. Yeah, no
good. Honestly, like I honestly don't do nice things like that that often. And it was like I was like, I shouldn't have you guys are like that. Were like
I should I want to do more of that. I want to find more goats. Yeah,
I got I got a goat given to me for my birthday. And I was so happy about it. It's not a real gut. It's a it's a it's a it's a card that has a picture of a goat. But there's a real goat attached to there is a real goat involved and the goat gets given to a family in a village in a third world country. So yeah, they I mean, they probably just milk it. They kill it and eat it. Yeah, it's um, it's a good laugh. Yeah,
it's good. I mean, for the people that are eating it. It is feel good. I want to do more stuff like that. Yeah,
we're currently Where are we teach yet? We are on Cliff tops in Bondi Beach. So we're in Sydney, Australia. And you might hear like, this is pretty calm right now for Bondi Beach. Bondi Beach it looks like just a great little beach to go for a swim but it's can be super dangerous helicopters flying over it's probably a three they're looking for sharks great white sharks or missing tourists added say which is legit thing that both of those things
are true yeah both the true and seen bond a rescue
This is it
now it's not that was like NATS parents house but it's it's it's breathtaking like they actually legit like saved people's lives. And it's usually like dumb tourists like myself.
I don't know how to handle oil. My mate who's on bond died rescues rescued Hugh Jackman
get out really. Hugh Jackman couldn't swim
I dude this is the thing if you're a good swimmer and you go out and a bad time in bond I can it can fuck you shit up. flashback a few years ago and I keep getting reminded have already been reminded this year of it. Every so often. I get a record once a year for the last three years. I've got a text message saying Bro, I just saw you on bond. I rescue. This is my
baby for real.
No, no, I wasn't getting rescued. I was featured because the bondo rescue guys. One Christmas got legit. Randy's they're like so they're little. And they are legit reindeers. Yeah. What's a reindeer? It's a deer.
They don't fly like that.
That would be crazy, though.
Always cushy. I like cold reindeers. But anyway, that had these on Bondi Beach as an hour filming the show and bring the rent and this just got me holding one of the reindeers looking old
were you getting paid for that? No, I was just a punter walking path. You're literally just did you did you? Because I feel like it. Have you heard of border security? border security.
We actually watch it uh, last time we were here a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And it's uh, it's pretty intense. And like there's some people you know, like they're guilty. You know, they have heroin in their bag. going to jail for a long time as a viewer you hoping they've got something? Yeah. We watching if we don't see people's lives being destroyed,
you feel like it's a people who don't know, it's like, costumes when like the go into into the country. Australia is very, very strict when it comes to things like plant based foods, anything that could be they could have like bugs and shit. And that's
Yeah, so what we're asking is would you smuggle over
some avocados? Johnny Depp guy? He's not like he's banned from the country because he brought his dogs over anything.
Well, he flew over on his private jet and brought his dogs and didn't get the the right. It's like going to another country and not getting the visa. Yeah. Rule of the country the way
Yeah, I know. We didn't smuggle anything over although I see like I told you I'm more type A Yeah. Then Natalie is. So I'm like she's like planning on bringing the peanuts that we bought from the airport in and I'm like, you can't do that. I just watched the video. And they said that you cannot bring any food from the airplane or beforehand. And I think you can probably get away with it, but I just rather not risk it. Yeah, you guys are really strict with it. Yeah,
absolutely. Oh, yeah. New Zealand. I feel like those countries in particular quite strict. Yeah.
When I went to New Zealand that were super strict. They're like, have you been on a farm within the last month and are you wearing the shoes that are on that farm?
I do that in Australia as well?
Yes. We don't have anything to lose in America. We've already desecrated our land
tix everywhere. Ticks ticks. Yeah.
And in America. Yeah.
Yes. Not a big thing in Australia.
Now ticks on the it's mostly on the east coast where I was from in Jersey. Like, if you went out in the woods, you'd have to come home and like check your hair and like do like a full body surgery. I got it. I had a tick on my deck once. Yeah,
I was I had to get my mom to remove
I want to say that I was young, but I was
probably like 10 WAY WAY too old. To me like it's not that it's not a medical procedure.
It's actually not too old to have it done. It's too old for you as a young 10 year old to think that that's what needs to now happen it is because it's
unfortunate because that's memory stick after 10 much more than you do beforehand. And it was like my dad worked at a grocery store and he told everybody like I went in the next day and like everybody's looking at me funny man
that was definitely the nickname was tick tick
was a hard to get off it was
it was pretty easy because it gets he does it actually yes into skin it doesn't second scan and it required teasers
tweets. What's that sandlot kids you know with a walking down the track the trend line? River Phoenix is in its right last week film, and I'm not saying about kids
is a movie but then
yeah, no. I should know that. I totally know that maybe I've watched it a million times Ron. Ron is it
really runs across the forest. There's a scene where they on this train bridge and the train comes and he's
run and he's running and he said
listen is alive bro it's a You're a fucking idiot. But in that film hybrid le talk show.com
he goes into a swamp and River Phoenix gets leeches Yeah, it wasn't no
no, it wasn't fact.
leeches are big. They are like beside the palm of your hand. Well, they were big bigger in America. He's never seen him that you've never have never seen him although here's the thing disappointed with Australia because I heard like you guys like don't fuck around on spiders and all this stuff but we're not here to fuck spot is
pretty I said Really? Say you don't
see a lot I don't know
what he's the sign this show the saying is if I was like, Matt and I made up we're having a few beers at the pub. And I'm like, yo, Matt, you are you getting pissed tonight? You haven't a few few beers tonight. And Matt would respond I'm not here fuck spiders. How does that actually manage? I'm not here to fuck around. I'm not here. I'm here to have a good time. So anyway, so
yes, I want to know about the water with in regards to Hugh Jackman drowning and not drowning. He was fine. What was what was the the water training sort of swimming lessons like on the East Coast? Did you guys have swimming lessons growing up? Yeah,
like nothing is mandatory. There were maybe like one or two kids in every grade that didn't actually learn how to swim. Yeah, pretty rare. Most people had above ground or in ground swimming pools the house at their house Yeah, maybe not most maybe like 50% above ground wasn't like royalty that was like
above ground is like you would LD had a special
it's like just dig a hole it put it underneath but yeah, we had an above ground pool and I learned to swim pretty early on but not good. I'm not a good swimmer at all I can just survive would you feel confident going out in this in this kind of was a bit of a low key fear about like oceans too but I have gotten better over time is it the shock thing or just like now I think just like the power of the ocean and like the current getting swept away and I hearing horror stories of
something happening I was close to drowning I had to be rescued one so I like I didn't see the sign that said don't go above like your waist and I went in New York my shoulders and just sagging dragged in I was like putting my hand up it was like the waves were dumping me and I was like coughing and scraped I couldn't scream because my throat was all filled up and they had one life God came in to try and get me in their board got smashed by the wave and then the second one had to come through I was gonna die scary
thing about drowning. Is that died right? No. He drowned that you did electrocuted so drowning doesn't look like what you think drowning would look like yeah, it's that's that's the scary thing about it. So here at the beach when there's hundreds of people thousands of people in the water so what they do here some something's happened they take everyone out of the water. So there's like a siren that goes off. And you should say it's the most eerie thing. Yeah, thousand so maybe 4000 people are at the beach everyone's out and they're looking for someone to water but drought so you don't fly all like you know you think in a movie some to add sample it does but like real bad drowning. You can't tell that's the problem. It's usually the main thing is it like just Is it the current pulling you down? Is it exhaustion? You don't usually scream because you're so exhausted. That doesn't happen. It's just like yeah, bobbing. What's the
protocol to are you I heard that you're supposed to let the current take you and and not fight it. Is that true?
To the side I learned as a kid my dad Kane said I've been in mortars like this since I was a drone By the way, guys a little. Yeah,
actually might be camp.
You could have at least bought a bacon.
We asked him for the footage.
So one of the things is to swim across. Yeah. In a rip. Okay, just go straight to the sides. Yeah, it's easier, or, I mean, I always just try and catch away. But it's scary. You know,
the idea of like catching a wave. I think under underplays the feeling of when it's happening, because it's like you have it and even the idea of swimming to the side. Like I've heard that as well. Yeah. The thing is, though, you don't even know where the beach is. You can completely lose perspective. Yeah, that's when you're in serious
I find laying on my back is like whenever I'm freaking out, even just in general. I mean, Italy though, and I'm like, I'll be swimming hate if I start getting tired. I just stopped floating. So I'm just lazy. good
spirit on the back.
Just go into like a dominant pose.
I suppose this drone is reminding me of Tommy when he was sort of starting his video business originally he got a you would have been one of the first people in Melbourne to have
it so when the maverick pro first came out, I got the order. And I got it pretty much as soon as I got sent out. Yeah, it's amazing what three years ago maybe three years ago and I went hard. So funny. I see people now out flying their drones and I just think fact you've got no idea as in the rules and the safety and and it's like that as well. Hundred percent I think about my show.
It's Well, I mean, this is pretty timely with the Gatwick Airport, drone situation. There was a they had to shut down the Gatwick Airport in London or just outside of London twice because the same drone kept popping up. Yeah,
I just heard on the news on the way over here. I think there was actually no drone. Really Oh, that was so the true people that buy on to people but there was what they're saying is we actually don't think there was a legit drone like it wasn't wasn't real what. Obviously, someone called in something people were being sideways and they thought it was I don't know. I'll give you another update
on what I saw on YouTube recommendations. On the right hand side yesterday was a drone footage of an 8380 Have you seen this like one of the massive Airbus plane yeah this drone was flying and basically alongside the a three it and it's a legit it was recorded about a year and a half ago. How fast
is that drone half
was young he was like panning across so it was basically stationary. Yeah. As an in front of the sort of to the side front sort of side to the plane and sort taking off and and as the plane was going it wasn't
edited like that was like
a legit Wow, crazy.
What What do you guys think about drones now because at the time it was I remember seeing some of the earliest drone footage online. And as filmmakers you look at and be like Wow, that's really cool. Like that's an amazing shot to get. And then in a similar way that sliders and dollies everybody has them glide cam or whatever stabilizer you have, like at this point. Do you guys use drones much? Is it like and like? I don't know. It's it hyped up more than it?
Definitely I haven't used I've got like the Phantom four Pro Plus or whatever. And I haven't used it in Yeah,
I think that it probably should be a club of US drone owners that never drone too much work. Yeah. And like honestly, I'm always disappointed with what I get. And I'm like I just the drone always tends to sway and it doesn't go in a straight line and I'm like it has to make sense to the shirt if you need it for a specific
I mean like this guy will get the footage of him for our beta for this video. But I what I worked at was you can impress people very easily with a drone all you need to do is have them in the moment question How the fuck you got that shot? Yeah,
so for instance is always dangerous. Yes.
Over the sleep like an illegal way I mean, like it's like if you're using a gimbal if you reached over a table Yeah, and you pulled back and revealed so you traveling across the table or for instance if you're on a beach and you and you're pulling back and you go out across water Yeah, we'll just because it goes from a shot that could be done in a normal guy we're with the gimbal to then going holy shit that's a fucking drone. Those kind of shots really impressed. Yeah,
and that's that's kind of what got me into filmmaking to begin with is being able to get that reaction from people that wow you did that
you made that yourself the tick wasn't as amazing
down on tick, tick tick
tick the somebody's gonna have to help one of these fuckers this guy
so guys just jumped off a small Cliff into some whitewater rafting Okay, he's a fucked up thing. So I served out here we're like on the point in bond die. On one of the days it was show rough like 10 times as rough as this little stormy? Yeah, the thing is if you get close to if you get close to the rocks, it's less risky. So when you're surfing the way you actually get ass on the point so it might my mate who was with was super super talented services if you're in trouble swim as hard as you can at the rocks because it loses all its cool. So look at these guys they like you think they fact but they
I'm like I look at me like oh god this is
that looks so dodgy. This is running the same in every way bad. Yeah, came very close to that
all it takes is you hit your head on one of those rocks. So yeah, are we just risk averse? Or are these kids idiots know the kids are idiots? Yeah, now
around the water I'd like that's normal. Like that constantly
be talking about the drone shots. I feel like in the same vein, the move movie stabilizer stuff. It's the same sort of thing with the specifically I remember being in a bay like the National Association of Broadcasters Expo and they had like, movie was showing all of the footage that they got with the camera and they show all the behind the scenes stuff. Like people like they'll have a going upstairs on the little crying thing. And then they lifted up and then someone's running with him, then it goes through a car. And then you actually watch the footage. And I feel like the behind the scenes always looked way more impressive than the actual shot. Yeah,
and even a for like people that are inexperienced with filmmaking. Like all even Matt and I were watching marvelous, Miss nasal. And there's some clever shots where it's very simple, but it's just that the camera pulls back and then reveals a phone in the bar. And then you realize that they had to have like a dolly on a crane to pull back and actually make that reveal. And it's a pretty complicated, I mean, a simple looking shop, but pretty complicated. And post. Nobody knows. Like, she did not notice
that most people don't do you still have your movie.
I just sold it a couple months ago. And I'm like, I think this is like a transition from me doing client work and working with like brands and startup companies to doing original content where you have to do it all yourself. So I was like I you know I now I have one of these little Xi'an cranes, which I don't use. But I mean, it's, I think it's a
good hand gesture again.
You will see that if you sign up for my Patreon.
So I made a video recently for my wife, she just had this little Expo for a candle store at a market is what she did. And I just had my a seven. And I've there is legit, like no need for a slider, or a Zion crane, for the most part for a lot of stuff. Unless you're running after somebody or just wanting to just get that little queasy just holding it and complete. You know, you're walking long distance, but I was doing shots. It's 50 front of 60 frames. And it looks like it's on a glide cam. Yeah. And so it's there is ways around it. I think the tools are like it was very popular for one point to do all that stuff. And now it's we've gone through this. What's like, it's like, how we went through handheld? into gimbals. Yeah, and now it's all going back to that handheld look. Yeah,
my problem is that it's it slows you down. Yeah, to set up on a gimbal to set up your drone. And especially if I'm doing somebody more blogging or on the fly style, I don't want to that all that time to do it. And especially if I'm filming myself, there's just not much option, you have to do everything on a tripod.
I've been using that easy rig a bunch, which is all right. But it's like
it's the Hell yeah, but it's a certain style,
which I can't work out how to do first person filming, like I've gotten so used to filming the short docks with the easy rig and within f7 that the idea of like, how do I create a video that doesn't have that has me in it? Is it for you to try to use just a lot of tripod shots is that Do you find that you lean on that a lot? Yeah,
I mean, it's funny, because people will say that about my videos and say they have a certain style to it. And everything's on a tripod, and everything's simple and setup. And I'm like, that's because I have to have somebody that. Yeah, I mean, I may have more movement in my shots if I had somebody else filming them. And I probably would actually do a lot more handheld stuff. If I had somebody shooting x, I'd be like, Listen, grab it. Let's go, let's get the shot. And let's get to the next thing. And so maybe my style will change if I'm able to hire a filmmaker to help out more.
But so you lower the barrier to entry to start being in front of the camera. Because that's kind of Josh and I've been talking about, I've done that blogging, style handheld looking, holding it to myself. And then Josh has done the opposite. Because he's been focused more on their client stuff, telling someone else's story. And so it's like, yeah, how do you? How do you transition? And how do you do it? Because that was the I just had no choice. That's the only way I can do it.
It's because it's the only way it's had to be done. And I've learned so much from doing the blogging style. That it's I don't want to say it's more difficult. I just want to say it's a totally different ballgame. Yeah. And that I had to relearn how to be a filmmaker in a different way. And filming yourself is very difficult. And I think you could actually even see that in my early videos that I released a year plus ago, two years ago, that the quality is pretty shit. Like, overall, I just, it wasn't nearly to the standard of my freelance work that I was doing
was that painful for you?
pretty painful, but it was like, just get over it. I gotta release a video like I had, you know, I said I need to release a video every single week. So it just kept me going.
bunch more like, Do you find that like, half the time you watch stuff and say, Oh, that was like I was completely out of focus there. Like you don't have any monitor that you're pointing to you or anything.
Sometimes I do, but I do like reshoot stuff. I'll shoot a video. I recently did a video about minimalism. And really what it is, is called what minimalism really looks like. And I shot a talking head, it was just gonna be me talking to the camera about what minimalism is. And then I realized that, like, a couple weeks after I shot it, because I had, you know, shot it well in advance of when I plan on releasing it. And I was like I had this is it doesn't feel good. I feel like I could do this a lot better, I could get more creative with it. And it's also probably going to be a video that would resonate and do well. So I was like, let me actually rethink this. And so for me, I think the biggest learning lesson learning lesson has been to put more time into pre production and plan out my videos and think about ways to get creative because like, I'm not that funny on the spot. But if I have some time, I could probably think of a decent joke to put it into my videos I
think was pretty funny. But that was
That's that's how you been working on for many years.
I was a child when I started
working I remember you did a one video where you talked about people can make excuses around I can only do this thing when I've got like the 50 millimeter 1.2 lens or whatever different product it is then in there. The drone, the gimbal what is the what is the one time of light that you've picked yourself up on going like, hang on, you're doing exactly the thing that you're trying to avoid? Oh, yeah, yeah,
no, I do that stuff all the time. Like, I'm not like and I think sometimes you you talk about stuff from experience. Yeah, and not saying that. I'm perfect in like, I'm the guy that would be like, man, I can't I remember early on thinking that I needed a 50 millimeter prime lens in order to shoot this one video. So I bought it way before I ever needed it. And I didn't even use it on the shoot. I guess I didn't need it. But I did recently I did by design crane actually like coming to Australia a couple weeks ago for a wedding. And I was like I packed my tripod and the crane and I was thinking all the shots. I only use the crane for one shot really and I'm
filming the wedding now. Yeah,
guys, things have been rough on Patreon.
I hope you didn't rock out with any gear because you know like you go to a wedding and there's like one guy who's like the cousin of the bride who's walking into
weddings recently and I just love watching the wedding. videographers just scrambling.
I feel sorry for you, bro.
I don't know that I did the guys that film this wedding. I was disappointed performance because they would they had cameras, right? They had the coolest straps. leather straps. They look like it was originally for a gun. Yeah. And then they had their cameras on their side. And they had no lens caps on them and they're just running around with the camera flop by another hip with the lens potentially scratching as any and everything that's next to them with a full
their hips. Oh my god. Yeah, they were from Germany and
the same leather straps at this video. Crazy light on the camera. There was one guy who had a lot of the camera that was that was like those tiny little LED light, the tiny little lenses
type of thing. Yeah.
And these guys, but these guys had the light on the camera. And I'm like with these new lenses, you don't need a light camera. And like it was in your face. And my guys, please. I mean, it's honestly is like, I don't know, it's disruptive. I'm trying to dance man. I'm trying to remember I can't have evidence
that this happened to remember the whole wedding you filmed.
I remember when I decided to quit weddings, because weddings is hard when you quit. You have a whole nother year of weddings to do for a year. But I did three weddings in one weekend, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
And then I charge for weddings.
It was pretty affordable. I think I started out doing $1,000 a wedding to build up a portfolio. And then I eventually got two cameras 3000 or 3500 US dollars. And the third wedding was at like a Russian buffet kind of look like a chinese buffet restaurant. And it was like a hole on the wall. There was disco dancers and singers that were like the hosts of the night and I was like, I'm done. I can't do this shit anymore. How
many edits would you because I know a bunch of wedding filmmakers and they'll have like 20 edits that they're working on. They end up having to get contractors in to help them and they just
I think people overbook, and they don't like they're not that good at managing their projects, if they're like not being able to edit them. And I think maybe it also comes from the fact that people get very good at shooting and filming first. And they don't put as much time into the editing. Yeah. And I think that if you become a very good editor, you can edit projects very quick
and efficiently. I met at this when I'm talking about with those guys with the hips to holsters. Yeah, Colin, I met the guy whose production company it was. And his girlfriend, she they were kind of like, oh, what do you what do you do? And then I asked the same and they said, I've got a wedding? Video business and their girlfriends have jumped in was like, you know, yes, this year they've done 98 weddings are just creams. Oh, anyway, but I mean, this is their business. Right? And
who do we got to do similar to like having a catering business at that point? Right. Like, was there like delivering? Because you're not going to be able to? I mean, do you think that the craft, you've got to lose the craft to that point, if you're doing that amount, you've at least got to have a bunch of employees or contractors? Yeah,
I think and i think that i p that's a route to go. And it's a cheap, quick route. Yeah, it's like, I think that you will definitely lose quality. And I would rather be the person that charges more the person that people cringe when you charge $10,000 for a wedding or $30,000 for a video like I would rather be that person. Because there are plenty of people willing to pay that. And it allows you to focus on it.
At what point do you lose sight of the craft, I got my son's daycare, I always say so lovely. You're always like smile and look over me waving. And we had the Christmas party at the daycare last week. And I was like, he's definitely a creative. He's always like, like, in with the kids, he mastered run his own thing. And then we started speaking Woods owns a production company. And we're chatting and what you know, what do you do, what kind of stuff you're doing? And the way he kind of given into the fact that he does known aspirational client work? Yeah, but he's successful. And he was kind of referring to because I was saying kind of what Josh and I are doing, you know, we've come from doing the client work and sort of focusing on the more story driven taco style stuff that we really love. And he's like, oh, man, that sounds so fucking great. And he's talking about paying the bills. And it sounds like he's, he's like, given over to the fact that he's got a business that doesn't do aspirational content, in terms of what he thinks is even aspiration.
Isn't it sad, though, to like, when somebody starts explaining what they do? And then in the first couple, like the five minutes, they're already like giving disclaimers and like saying, like, you know, like, it's not like the most glamorous? Yeah, what do you say you love that mean? It's easier said than done? But you can? It seems like he's if he's established and successful. Yeah. And I think this is one of the reasons why you want to charge a lot more. Because if you charge a lot more for your videos, then you can start to say no to the projects that you don't really care about
how far in like wins, wins to light, having four kids and then saying, Honey, I'm chasing my dreams quitting my job. that's a that's a very hard, that's a hard thing to do. Well, I think that part of it is the fact that it doesn't have to be like video. Production doesn't have to be what it is. For everyone else. It can just be literally what accounting is for an accountant or, like, I think that some of the times, like I find that it's hard to explain what I do sometimes just because I feel like I owe some honest answer. I need to like you can fall into that disclaimer thing where it's like this is because sometimes there's also a gap between this is where I want to be but this is actually where I am right now. And feeling like it's disingenuous to say, yeah, I'm doing Doc, whoa, tight, like I struggle calling myself. I've, I've changed my website from Josh Janssen had like filmmaker or whatever to like Josh Janssen, podcaster, and video creator, for like, I'm more comfortable with that at the moment. Have you worked with a good
point, though, in that, like, if you are giving a disclaimer or practicing what you do? I find myself to like, almost downplaying what I do in a way to as to not maybe like, get people to think that I'm bragging about myself.
Bitch, I got over 700 K.
on YouTube. Yeah,
I actually have a business card that just says 700 I gotta get it redone all the time. So annoying. No idea. I think it's like, I always try to downplay what I do. And I actually wouldn't tell somebody that I'm a YouTuber, mainly because I've always been a filmmaker, and I just, it's more natural. It's just a different platform. But also you just try not to, like, get too many questions. And you know what I mean? Because we do cool shit. Yeah. You don't want people to feel bad about themselves or what they're doing. It
sounds like the from my mind, the very anti American thing to sort of say to yourself, mean, that's what I love about a lot of Americans I've met then they're not afraid to promote the success, which can come across to some people is bit gross. Yeah, but to others. It's like, man, he's only it well fucking done. to it,
right. There's like an art to the humble brag the center of the humble. Yeah, it will like help you. Yeah, I think move your career along. And what
you're really saying is I Oh, that guy, that boat guy just lost his hat. They went over big wave in a boat.
I'm coming to you live from Bondi Beach.
jumping in there.
To get the house.
A lot of blood.
Big hat. comical hat
saying what you're good at. And that is how like, we have a week you have a hard time explaining these painful. These are real. These are skills. Yeah, by this is what I'm actually really good at.
Well, I guess the thing is, like, Who's the audience? And when we're talking to people that we
need to, you know, yeah. Yeah, I think that like when you're talking to people that are just like friends, or maybe you're meeting acquaintances, whatever, it doesn't really matter. Yeah. But when you're talking to a potential client, then I think it's that's where it makes sense to like, talk up what you've done. Yeah. And I think it helps actually having done really cool shit. And having done great work that speaks for itself.
What about this show, I know, like, small scale, I've had some videos do well, where I'm going to an event where I've got, like, friends, they're not my close friends. But I know that sort of within my reach, in terms of them sort of seeing what I'm up to and what I've been, and they kind of reference it and it's kind of it makes me feel a bit awkward when they sort of go, Oh, I see what you know you're doing for you. You've just your channels blown up. Maybe you haven't left the house. That's why because you work so hard. Yeah. People saying, oh, man, I see you doing well, like, what's your response to? Like, your videos are so good man I see for maybe does it Is it because of that you you have maybe where we feel uncomfortable is that we don't necessarily have all of those metrics, like in some regards, that feels like the missing key for a lot of people is it's like, yeah, I'm a YouTuber. It's like, Oh, yeah. How many subscribers do you have? Do you think that that gives you a level of because he's got a good answer? Yeah,
you got a good answer.
There's like, yeah, I mean, it's it's difficult to because even like, when you look at a big media company and freelance and filmmaking client work, the only way that people would ever really know that you're successful is if maybe you worked with big brands, and you had a big campaign that you worked on, or if you just told them how much money you made. So I mean, it's like, I think that first thing is that you just have to let go of like, Who gives a shit? I think early on around your p&l. Yeah. Anyway, man, I honestly like early on, like, I really cared about it. And me and my friends had a light hearted kind competition early on. Whereas I got who can make six figures first. And then it was like, we kept playing that game. And it was funny, and it was just good to make fun of each other and one up each other. But then eventually, it was like, all right, the game's not really fun anymore. Well, once you
but when you do get successful, all the successful, successful people I know, they go through a point of not talking about it anymore. Yeah, it's like, yeah, know, if your friend isn't sharing how much they're on at the job, like your work, it's because there are more money than you. Because they're working on more money than you the person who the person who's not making as much noise go, bro, I'll tell you, I I'm on. I'm on 60 grand. I just I'm being
upfront with you.
If your frame response, guys, yeah, man, I'm yeah, I'm on like, 60 grand, or whatever. Or if they just got Oh, yeah, man, I'm on similar that means that probably on it. Yeah,
I think that it. That's something that I've gone through to where like, I actually in the beginning, I felt this urge to let people know that I was successful. But hey, guys, look how amazing I'm doing. Because I was just very proud of myself. In that it's very hard to I think make it as a freelancer to do something on the independent route. It's more common now than it's been in the past. But it has been something that I've gotten over that I'm Mike. And I think maybe it has been because I've gotten where like the goals that I had set for myself. But also when I I had to set like an enough point where I was like $75,000 in New York City. If I can make that much I'll be happy. It'll allow me to like, you know, it's a little bit extra allows me to go out to nice restaurants with extra little bit actually. Yeah. And it was just like a, then I'd be more than that. And but it wasn't every year. I can't make any more. Some years. I would regret that.
They say like, what if you earn over 75 K or whatever? Like your happiness level doesn't go up? Yeah.
It depends where you live. Right. And it depends what mean for
like, 150 k in New York? Yeah,
like in places like dad is probably higher. And in places like Alabama or like, rural areas. It's probably
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met Dave, Ella, you're going to be on tomorrow's episode as well. Yeah,
I can't wait. We're going to record it tomorrow and it's gonna be amazing.
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