#979 – Hypnobirthing/
- March 15, 2021
We chat about billboards, hypnobirthing classes, Tommy’s fine dining experience at Lobster Cave, and preparation for Tommy & Amy’s second child!
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Tommy’s fine dining experience
- Getting prepared for Amy giving birth
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Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the wrong spot.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:11] in the calendar just
Josh Janssen: [00:00:13] like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:16] story
Josh Janssen: [00:00:20] talk show episode
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:21] 979. Happy Monday. What's happening. That's going to go. You cap. I forgot my cup. Yeah. Too bad, mate. I'm I'm I'm uh, hydrated. So
Josh Janssen: [00:00:31] deal with it. I've been very hydrated lately. It's actually become a bit of a
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:35] problem. So then are you hydrated because you're saying it's become a problem, a hydrated person.
They're not, there's no problems. No.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:42] I think there is. There's a point where you're going to the toilet too much, but anyway, let's not get too much into the toilet thing. Still a wheelchair to light, uh, billboards. So in a few of them
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:53] around, yeah. I spotted, um, Jason PJ on one yesterday. Um, pointed that out to me.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:00] Yeah. So one that's like pasta sauce. It's actually at someone's house. The billboard. Yes. It's in there, like it's on a house. And so I can't work out with, uh, the people that live there. Run this pasta sauce company. Good weather.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:20] Um, You know, they're just getting, uh, the cash money, cash money. So it was always a thing.
Uh, this, uh, this is a bit of sort of inside baseball, Melbourne pain highway and North road. There's a little business called tiny town. Tiny town is a car sale. It was a car sales place. Yeah, it is tiny. Like it was like, uh, Uh, two story, um, looked like a house and the, it was like a garage down below, but there'll be cars there and it was only second hand, second hand cars.
And it's on the corner of this big block that used to be like a, uh, Panisse, Panavision, richer vision, whatever that was random sales, maybe it was like a, a big, uh, um, electrical place anyway,
Josh Janssen: [00:02:07] in the visions, the big cinema
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:09] rented, but the corner ended up getting developed. So there's a huge Masonic hole.
Well from some, um, what are they called? The Freemasons borders. Oh, really? But they didn't get tiny town. So tiny. Can you say there's like huge constructions and then like one little building, the guy was like, fuck. Yeah. Not selling the tiny towns still there, but tiny town has a billboard on it. And I reckon Mr.
Tiny town is just, uh, he's retired. He probably lives in port Douglas and he probably just gets one 50, 200 grand a year for his billboards. This was the thing. There was a in Fitzroy street in St. Kilda. Number one, Fitzroy streets was a restaurant it's been about 40 restaurants. I can never get it right.
It could just be the location, but it's a good venue. I've been to a few 21st there on top huge billboard. And I heard that this person makes 80 K a year just from the
Josh Janssen: [00:03:03] billboard. If someone yeah. Knocked on your door and said, Hey, I'll give you 150 bucks to put like a sign. It's just like a cardboard. And then they sort of hammered into the ground.
Would you do it
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:17] at the front of my house? Yes. What, what does the sign say? Uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:22] I don't know. Uh, it's a for pasta sauce.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:26] Um, 150 bucks for how long I wait for 12 months. Oh, do I have to do any upkeep?
Josh Janssen: [00:03:34] No, no. They'll look after it. They'll, they'll wash it down every six months. It's 50 meters by no, no, no. It's, it's sort of, uh, uh, three meters by five meters.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:49] big. Can I, I don't even know if I can do it on a rental, you know, you can't, you're not actually allowed to lease out your rental.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:56] Yeah. Remember the protein pole down the road at the protein shop. He said, um, you couldn't pay me. To live around here. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:04] You said that if he gave you a house, I wouldn't accept it.
You don't get it. This area is, you know, affluent.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:11] Yeah. There's just some drug issues, but is there anything that is a no go. So for instance, if someone gave you a house, is there anything that would actually make it unlivable for you
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:24] and livable? Um, yeah. Location is one thing, like if it was in a seriously.
Rough neighborhood. And there was no security, but I mean, you could, if you like, there's a difference when it's like money at the end of something is a, is a good incentive
Josh Janssen: [00:04:45] about power lines. Would you, do you have a house under power lines?
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:51] I know it probably doesn't cause cancer, but I just think that hearing a buzz.
Yeah, you'd be annoyed and I'd be worried. It's not, not ideal, not ideal, but I mean, if you're given something, something it's like, you're going to be grateful at that point. Don't you? Yeah. I'll tell you. I was grateful yesterday. I mean, I've been doing, um, hypnobirthing classes every Sunday.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:15] What's the goal.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:16] So hypnobirthing, I mean, you, you tend to think about hypnosis and then you think about someone being turned into a chicken. You know, like, uh, three fingers and you'll turn into a chicken, which can happen. I think a lot of the times, so hypnosis is, uh, it's, it's not the other person doing it too. It's you doing it to yourself?
Okay. So it's slipping into a state of mindful state where you are focusing on it. So a lot of hypnosis is like someone's running you through a visualization. So I was like, You walk into the house and you see in the corner, some flowers, the flowers bring them, you know, like that's a version of hypnosis where it's storytelling, you really embody it and you can even feel it.
So it's like, you know, uh, think about the power of the mind right now, Josh picture, you've got a lemon in your right hand and you are bringing it up to your mouth. You smell it. You can smell the citrus. And you take one big bite. I'm already salivating. And so that's your mind doing that? Right. So it's like hypnosis is, um, when it comes to birthing, hypnobirthing is, uh, is a tactic, a tool to be able to get through what is a pretty hard, or it's actually about reframing.
Oh childbirth. So what does it mean? What does the pain mean rather than seeing it as this, is it like a negative sign? Is it a government run thing?
Josh Janssen: [00:06:50] So how does it work? So this is some
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:51] sort of, um, there was a, there was a woman who created, um, she's trademarked something about it and he'd know birthing, but she did it for herself.
And then her daughter asked, can we, can I do this? And then they've developed this whole system. And next minute, you know where in Melbourne? 50 years later paying somebody. Who's probably, you know, a part of some kind of hypnobirthing body. Um, but they're teaching it on. And so it's very common. How did you hear, um, Amy found it through somebody just found it online maybe, but it turns out that it's like four seconds away from my parents' place.
So we dropped Bodie off and go and spend three hours, but we already feel so much better about this childbirth. Then the last based on just being curious to understand what's going to happen and understanding how you can cope and what the body's capable of so much, once it was in someone's house or someone's house, you know, you're in the it's sick, it's like in this lounge room and there's three other couples.
Is it sort of
Josh Janssen: [00:07:57] designed because I remember as a kid learning piano, And the S the smell of the house had a certain smell. I felt like I was in someone's personal space.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:07] Was it pasta sauce? Cooking? Yeah, it's very nice. It's think, think like, on the hippiest side, the more sort of natural side. So just natural sense.
Not even, it's just a really nice house clean sort of how many people
Josh Janssen: [00:08:22] are. In there in the room, the room
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:26] for eight, nine people, same people every time. Yeah. That's like a once a week, five week course or something. So anyway, we thought after the Hypnos class that we would, um, we would go for sort of little lunch, you know, like buddy was at my mom and dad's and so it was like, let's get out for a little lunch and I just recommended.
Somewhere in bar Maura. So it's like, Oh, we should go try this place out. It's called, um, the lobster, if
Josh Janssen: [00:08:51] you heard of it. Yeah. I feel like I've heard radio ads maybe. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:54] Yeah. It's one of those places. It's it was in the, uh, the books where you could tear out the entertainment guide. It always had lobster cave
Josh Janssen: [00:09:02] in there anywhere unless it's Tamika.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:07] So we walked into this place. And after
Josh Janssen: [00:09:11] three hours after three hours, solid hours, three and a half, actually bring your
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:16] snacks. No, they cater what sort of catering snacks? Fruit platter is beautiful. Pistachio like banana loaf
Josh Janssen: [00:09:27] before you get to the lobster cave. Pubs to cave. Yeah. So. Or you might have you become friendly.
Have you added anyone on Facebook that you've now been in the
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:39] class with? Amy knew one of the people in the class. And do you ask many questions? Uh, listening? Yeah. I asked a few. That's the
Josh Janssen: [00:09:48] few. So what's the scenario. Are you sitting on
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:50] seats? Sitting in a circle? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a nice environment.
Very relaxing. There's a big TV, 70 inch. Leading exercises. We're doing breathing relaxation. Lovely.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:04] What's the biggest thing you've learned.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:07] Um, so many things I've learned that there's not just one big thing, many just about what you can ask for, um, Jerry, can you help us? As the partner presents last time, I've logged Amy's birth now.
But I think, I think just literally about the present nature of the partner, the birthing partner, um, so important.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:33] So what did you, you do last time that you won't do it this time? So you won't flog or you
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:37] welfare? No, I just, I did film some of it. I'm not going to do any of that. I'm not going to film other than take some photos at the end.
Just have a head strap
Josh Janssen: [00:10:43] on just the GoPro,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:45] but it's about. Uh, being Amy's go-to person to make sure I'm, I'm thinking about thinking about having the necessity for a safe environment for a woman giving birth and. How much that can do. So Amy knows that I've got to go back and, but there's all techniques, soft touch, massage, um, pushing on sort of like some, some different, um, pressure points.
There's, you know, pressing of the hips, releasing pressure or different types of stuff that help a lot. And last time you were, I missed it. No, it was just, you just don't know what you don't know. And that was the case for both Amy and I like. Didn't know, like we weren't offered a ball. Um, what's it like an exercise ball to do?
Like we weren't asked, do you go on your hands and knees to do some pushing? So you're
Josh Janssen: [00:11:40] going to have to, so you get like a midwife before
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:44] it will happen. So you end up just getting what you get on the day that you
Josh Janssen: [00:11:49] get it. How do you negotiate then? So you're going to have to sort of. Both be assertive of like, this is what we want.
Okay. Like we,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:57] no, this is the thing, if I need to be taken charge. So
Josh Janssen: [00:12:01] project managing the whole
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:02] thing. Yeah. But it's just about like, you can, you know, hang on. I feel like there could be a version of midwives or hospitals that are like, are fucking some hypnobirthing people. They've got a sign on the door saying, we, this is hypnobirthing.
Like there's some resistance between the way. It is, or the way there's a new documentary called birth time, which looks at many things amongst a childbirth thing in the world. And the things like intervention and how much intervention is actually required in childbirth. Because think about it. You've got like a birthing suite at a hospital.
We could have like 10 rooms. This is probably a lot. That's probably heaps for a hospital. Well, you think there's how many, how many women are going to be giving birth across a year in those rooms shitloads. So they need to make sure that they hit it. Like it's, it's a system that they have to create to be able to manage the amount of childbirths that are in Australia.
Have you thought about doing
Josh Janssen: [00:13:02] a home? Do they encourage home birth through the
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:05] hypnosis stuff? Yeah. I'm not really keen on it for this month. I don't, I don't, I don't want to do it, but is that what
Josh Janssen: [00:13:11] some people are doing that are in the class?
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:13] Yeah, I guess. And so there is, you can feel the resistance between modern medicine and the people that are pushing for hypnobirthing.
And I'm like, it's, it's like their stance against some of the things that like, like what, um, Just against the system that has been created. So it's like that that's the vibe like it's pushed back against the system that's being created. Do you feel like you've like an
Josh Janssen: [00:13:39] anti-vaxxer
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:40] kind of, but I'm, I feel like I'm on the cusp of it, like, but I'm, I'm definitely not in the facts, but I feel like there's a, um, there's, there's definitely like, so
Josh Janssen: [00:13:53] epidural yes or no.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:56] For who though. So find me. No. So yeah. So I'm guessing you're birthing is all about trying to do it with intervention, free intervention free is everything from the gas that you suck, um, uh, inducing. And so like, it's amazing, like this lady's reeling off a bunch of stats around, um, childbirth and you know, the, like their view on it is that it becomes a problem when.
We're moving away from natural childbirth, natural mate, meaning no intervention it's meaning. No, no C-sections. And so I don't, I don't like, there is a bunch of people who are all about hypnobirthing, obviously. I understand that, um, C-sections and things have to happen at sometimes individually has to happen.
And it's not that they're totally against it, but you get that vibe that they are, I'm totally against it. You know what I mean? And I think that
Josh Janssen: [00:14:52] probably people sometimes feel judged too. Totally. If they have to have intervention, it's like breastfeeding, right? Like if you can naturally breastfeed all of a sudden, now you hear stories of your friends.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, I mean, we went to a class and it's like, Breast milk is the best milk is what does it lady says? And there's a reality that some chicks can't breastfeed. Yeah. I've got a problem that they come up to. Um, yeah, that's what I feel like. I'm more on the side of like, ah, you're fucking excluding a lot of people.
You here, there's a lot of kids that were born C-section and are doing
Josh Janssen: [00:15:28] good, but it isn't it like, you don't want to walk away if you need intervention and saying, Oh, we fucked it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:38] You know what I mean?
Josh Janssen: [00:15:40] A lot of those stories where it's like, I felt disappointed because they have this idea, you know, you have this idea in your mind, it's going to be X, Y, and Zed, and then complications.
And you're having to do shit away that you don't necessarily want
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:53] it. Yeah, definitely. So that's the thing about home birth? I'm not completely sold on just at this point with this baby. Is Amy keen on it or no, I think she might be, no. I guess if she was, we'd be doing. But, um, yeah, I see what you mean. So they're in essence of what you're saying, the person that is saying no to intervention usually would be quite down the path of, um, understanding their body, listening to their body.
You're saying like for the PE person that is totally neglecting how their body's being responding and then doesn't accept intervention. So there's a version of like, So imagine being in pain. So imagine childbirth extreme pain I do, but then there's a version of not seeing it as extreme pain. You know, there's the reframing of all this stuff, which is hypnobirthing, each surge or each contraction is getting you closer to birth in your child.
It's about like, it's the energy being required, you know, like being created by your body to do this natural thing, which is child. So this is the, I see the advantage. Of going deep into the practice for hypnobirthing to give you a higher chance of a, uh, of a childbirth with less intervention and
Josh Janssen: [00:17:14] so loves to cave.
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:17] Yeah. Did you get a disc it's way about Amy's having the bike? So we went into lobster cave just to sort of, you know, it was nice to have a little date after, but we worked into walked into a booby trap.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:31] So lobster cave. I put it in the same vein as you know, there's the, um, the fish and the fish place where it's a blue and white logo.
It's like a man. And it's like, they did, um, crap shack. No, they did like, um, that like, um, I used to eat the crumbed calamari high here. Yeah. I'm trying to
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:52] think of what it's called Rex hands fishing shop. It was
Josh Janssen: [00:17:56] like a big establishment. Blue and white dunno, hide the dailies orchard or commerce? No. And so, anyway, what is the vibe?
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:04] I had picked up, um, food from there probably seven years ago. I was at Roxanne's house just to humble brag. Um, picking up some food catering for his house. We were out there for Christmas friend's uncle. Anyway, I it's two nowadays. I think he's probably still doing something with footy. Fishing. Um, nice guy.
Anyway, he, um, that was very different when I went there last, I didn't even recognize this place. We didn't know if it was open. It's like this black, black sort of exterior and you walk in and it looks like you're going into a nightclub booths. Well, once you walk in. Coming out from coming from the outside.
Very glary. Your eyes are adjusting because it's so dark and you're looking around. There's like, yeah, there are some booths. There's like, um, the ceiling looks like, uh, a Lamborghini ceiling that has the little style lot room. We felt like we were walking into some kind of, you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:19:03] Dracula's is that some sort of performance?
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:06] Man. It was, you could see lobsters everywhere anyway, so we deficient
Josh Janssen: [00:19:10] chip shop.
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:11] No, no, no, no way. No, no. We fucked up dude. Fine dining almost really. Oh, I looked at the menu. We sat down. First thing they said on the table was a bottle of sparkling. Just assume that slow booby trap do not accept that sparkling because they will start charging you from that sparkly on the table instantly.
That's freight. No, I don't, they're going to start charging you for that. I didn't confirm that, but I didn't trust them. Cause I looked at the menu and one of the share platters was $499. Oh no. So we shut down and at the moment of like, why did you decide to go there? Just cause we were like, Oh, okay.
That's kind of cool. Amy have any sense of what it was? No, but she'd heard about it and, and she wanted to go there too. Booby trap, fine dining, like expensive. It was one 30 on a Sunday. We weren't prepped. What sort of people there? Um, international, uh, the, you know, some locals look like they're celebrating dad's 65th birthday.
Do you know the vibe, the vibe
Josh Janssen: [00:20:15] of, um, uh, the cheese cake factory in the
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:20] U S dude I quality like, like as in. Like on the, on the end, like closer to Rockpool, which is a fancy steak joint in Melbourne. But this is like a it's well known. It's been there for many, many years. You wearing three quarter pants, runners, the daily talk show hoodie, like just, we, we did not know what we're walking in.
How much, how much do you reckon? I mean, I spent. Um, w walking in thinking, we're just going to have a little bite to eat on a Sunday and we're to David. We can't say no, we don't want to seem like absolute Tituss that did you drink the sparkling water didn't drink? Did they take it away? They took it away.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:59] I always find it interesting logistically how they do that. Like, so they will give you different color glass. I've had a case where they've put still water into like refilling my sparkling. It's not good. I mean, let's say you spent 80 bucks between the two of you.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:17] Hundred 60.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:22] went too deep. Next minute. We're back in ordering where like, Oh God. So did you reckon that was on the cheap end? Did you lean in at that point and say, okay, let's
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:30] go. So I landed. I'm like, fucking get, did you guys have peanut? I was like, we're deep we're so that we have been trapped. It was lovely. We had the most amazing.
Ordered lobster. what do you think? How many pieces of lobster bruschetta would you get? How much was it there? Just answer first. I can just say lobster. Bouchet that?
Josh Janssen: [00:21:52] Uh, yeah, you'd have like two, two large slices. One H maybe four.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:57] Yeah. Yeah. Maybe might be four. Two small slices for $49. Like we don't do this shit.
We haven't been out for a night. Like we lend into it, like we'd organize the, you know, this four weeks ago and thought let's go. Not a nice, fine dining. Got a nice steak that came with some like crab on top. It was like amazing, awesome food, but we totally were trapped again. Definitely definitely. But I'd be the lumps to cake.
It's a celebration for some like good. These are specialists in labs that you've never had anything better than this lobster, Burchette that really. Okay. But 49 bucks
Josh Janssen: [00:22:39] on a small Sunday, a small bit of toast. I'm Saturday or Sunday.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:43] This is on a Sunday packed, packed. Oh, and they gave us free crimper lay on the way out
Josh Janssen: [00:22:49] or really it wasn't free. No, it wasn't. I mean, you see this when you go overseas traps, but not really in your own town.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:01] I know. And I didn't think like, cause I knew people that went there when I was younger, they must've been spending coin dope, but like it's too, once you get into it, it feels like you're inside.
You can't like leaving is, it would be very like. I just found a table that just taken, you know, put all the cutlery out next minute. Like it'd be rude. And so $169, I think. Well, I took a photo of, I took a photo of the menu as well, cause I was like, I want to tell you what, um, yeah. So one of the, can you sharing platter?
Uh, $499 for two people, or if we, you know, if, um, say you George, uh, Jess and I went six 99 sharing platter. Fun had a great ID. Non-dollar style.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:55] Yes.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:57] That's grabbing on. We literally, as soon as we realized we'd gone into booby trap, it's like, you're hanging upside down. You're like we're caught. And we're like, let's, let's enjoy being captured.
Yeah, definitely. I
Josh Janssen: [00:24:06] mean, I think that's like, especially, you know, captured
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:10] overseas. So we re we very grateful that we have. The money to be able to spend on that, but it hurts.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:18] You got to do some nice things. You gotta do. You gotta, um, and so in regards to the hypnobirthing, just very quickly, what's the, have you got a bug out pack?
What's a bug out pack. It's like a doomsday preppers. Use it like a pack in preparation, like an EDC for pregnancy.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:36] So you do a. Um, the hospital pack. Yes. And so that's currently what we're building out. What sort of stuff? Um, things like candles, the electric type, like little nice ones, like a, um, a power board electric one's going to do well, you just can't have flame in a hospital room.
It's just a nice little mood setter. Can you turn the lights off? Yeah, you can really. So this is the thing you don't know. Like imagine the first time you go to give birth. How do you know that you can just flip the lights? Or how do you know that you can say, I want it deemed, I want the clock. You're going to bring a human.
Yeah, you can. No joke. Yeah. That's one of the speaker. No. Um, what else is there like a, you could bring a humidifier and you could bring like a, uh, the thing that sort of sends out the little, um, the center there. Oh, you know, steam here. I don't know the name
Josh Janssen: [00:25:25] of it, but like an E an oil thing. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:29] Like a, yeah.
The, um, so what bag are you
Josh Janssen: [00:25:32] using? Like a, um, duffle
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:34] bag. We haven't got it ready, but we need to, but then inside of that, like, um, yeah, he wouldn't hydrate. We need some of that for her feet for Amy. So we want, like, we want like four drinks ready. So you want, like,
Josh Janssen: [00:25:48] you get anything you bring in a thing that's going to just make you a better partner,
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:53] some LaCroix.
Yeah, that would be good. Yeah. That's great. I should yeah. Pack because we need it to go, because think about it. That it could happen. Like Amy, the due dates, like the 23rd or fifth
Josh Janssen: [00:26:09] for Amy. Well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:11] you want, she needs sustenance. Well, last time we, we literally got like, um, I, and I ate them all like lolly,
Josh Janssen: [00:26:19] the last thing you want to be honest though, like talking sustenance.
If I was giving birth and my partner gave me an up and go,
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:27] I meet loves Apple guys. It's one of our five, really no joke, but like banana bread, like they want peanut butter a little more, like, think about the, um, the F the, the sort of healthy snacks, like high energy, but not sort of jewelry sort of bursts.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:44] And so what are you going to say? If you were to talk me through it, you were saying you were project managing it. Yeah. So you walk in, what are you saying to the
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:51] people? Yeah, it's Josh. It's all about the tone that you set with him. So it's about the voice. Thank you. And then, um, and then put the sign on the door and I close the door.
We need BlueTech now everyday carry. And so what we do is we put the sign up that says where hypnobirthing. Really. Yeah. That's what you meant to do. They've got even like prepared, sup pre-prepared signs that are printed off in our booklet that we can put up there, but you know, like you can say, I want that.
Josh Janssen: [00:27:22] So what sort of set dress it what's what are you going to take out?
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:26] Can take out some of the big machines. If you, if they're not needed, they can put them in the car. Oh my God. So
Josh Janssen: [00:27:30] what's the point of the sign is so that,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:33] so that, so that, um, you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:27:35] is it going to be, controvert like, are you going? Cause I think I would be.
Obviously it's all about Amy on the day, but I feel like I wouldn't help, but feel self-conscious if all of a sudden I'm like, no, we're running this
This is a Tommy, John. I think you will do really well at
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:54] setting the tone. So has anyone who comes in the room, we'd like to understand who you are and what you need each time. Really? And
Josh Janssen: [00:28:00] so that's. Well, the thing is your, the door bitch. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So you'll um, and so have you smoked so you can
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:07] just call me a bitch, I'm doing anything and everything, and it's not about me.
I'm absolutely there for Amy. Um, so just this one day three 60 about me Tracy, the fifth, you know that. And so
Josh Janssen: [00:28:24] can you talk me through some of the things like, cause it's almost, I can imagine. It's like the checklist manifesto. You need it sort of to have everything yeah. Written
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:33] down. Well, you hand in a birthing checklist to the, to the, um, to the midwife when you signing in.
So you can act last time. No, they didn't do any of this dude. We brought like a, um, just panic. Just, you just don't know what to
Josh Janssen: [00:28:48] do. You just had your
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:50] camera. Yeah, I know I had my camera kid. Yeah, but we had, no, we had like a little bag to bring, but there is also, you just, you don't know, like we, we want to set it and just be in a nice environment.
Like for example, stress can, um, Uh, adrenaline or like, you know, that spike of that feeling of fear can, can set you back in the PR in the labor so it can take longer. And so when your body isn't affected by all that stress, you can, it can happen faster TV on or off. I dunno if there's a TV in there. Cause I can imagine.
And if it's about
Josh Janssen: [00:29:29] relaxation, it can be like, imagine if you'd learnt the, um, like got your favorite film. What's party.
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:37] Do you want to say coming, this is the thing we're going to have. No, he's not coming, but you need to have someone who someone can grab him and say, well, could imagine if it happened in the middle of the night, we would have to take him to the hospital and I'd call mom and dad.
That would drive backtrack. Definitely not for Bodhi Uber. They have to come and get him. Um, which is, yeah, the reality is setting in isn't it.
Josh Janssen: [00:30:05] Well, that's exciting. And so, um, tell me more, what else do you know? You still need to work out?
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:12] Uh, I'm going to work out where we park. So you get to do a dry run, which hospital?
I don't know where to go or haven't been there yet. Amy's been once, but she still didn't know the parking sitch. So she used to bat her,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:26] drop her at the door and then find the park. That's. What about if she's like, if her waters have broken. Is there a
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:35] fine motor skill break, and then you can have the baby 10 hours on it.
Josh Janssen: [00:30:42] I wonder if there's probably like, um, some stand, like no standing parking that you could go in for like, like a loading zone. Loader race car gets tired. Yeah. But you're going to have to, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:54] we're going to find the park. We're going to know it all now. Exactly where to go. Yeah. Just cruising.
Josh Janssen: [00:30:59] It's going to make a, such a difference.
Isn't it? It's like a site. Ricky.
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:03] We're doing. Yeah. It's, it's crazy. How little thought we put into it the first time, just because we, I didn't know what we could think. I think you're just so fucking like, Oh my God, we're having a child. So fun
Josh Janssen: [00:31:15] stuff. Like what are some fun things? So the reason I brought up the TV is imagine if you like, you know, um, Bray was showing me how at her gym they'll have songs and they'll say, okay, you've got to do this plank.
Until the end of Beyonce. And then when the next song starts, you change to jumping jacks or whatever, but I could imagine putting on Shrek or whatever movie it is, and then you go through the stages. So by the time, um, they're singing, I'm a believer she's like full, full
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:50] push. Well, I think it's, um, they haven't recommended it in the birthing class.
No movies. You know, nice music mantras puts out she's up on the wall, but
Josh Janssen: [00:32:00] Amy's gone for some pretty hardcore tunes.
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:04] Um, yeah, she needs to, I dunno, she said you're just going to be, don't criticize my music if I want it next. Just press next. Okay. So it's uh, one, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:32:18] what about sort of like instrumental.
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:21] Hmm.
She's got some good ones in there. Should we, should we save? People can start following Amy's yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:32:27] yeah. Or at least putting in what, like a Gronk Gronk playlist
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:32] you've had. Well, if you've given birth to some good tunes, what are they?
Josh Janssen: [00:32:38] the pianist is great for something that sort of feels cinematic.
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:44] Yeah.
Can you share a, um, yeah. Had some nice stuff in here. Incubus. That's nice. Miley Cyrus. Slideaway that's nice. Yeah.
There's yeah. There's heaps of great stuff. John Meyer. Uh, yeah. What about an audio book? I think, dude, I'm going to show you some videos of women in giving birth. No, you don't. Um, have you ever looked at it? Yeah. I mean
Josh Janssen: [00:33:18] just on YouTube. It actually.
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's um, but we've been watching a lot of birthing videos, hypnobirthing videos in the course.
And if, if you you'd watch these videos, you wouldn't probably be making these suggestions because you see how in tune with the breathing. And, but is there a version
Josh Janssen: [00:33:39] of being mindful, but also. Just bringing distraction.
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:44] It's actually about focusing on the breathing in response to like,
Josh Janssen: [00:33:51] which he listened to meditation during
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:55] some hypnobirthing, um, uh, like tracks that you can listen that you could listen to.
I reckon. Um, which I have been listening to with Amy and so 24,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:07] Like you could be 24 hours in labor, right? Yeah. And so what
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:12] happens physically? Yeah. What happens with food? This is thinking good. Eight. Like they give you, you look, I can give you like little sandwiches, but this is why you take food.
Like even one of the midwives. Um, the lady was saying that one of the midwives that she knows would be giving the woman, uh, outs. Paul's about like, it's a lot of energy you've being expelled.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:36] I remember when I was a kid, I wanted to get my tonsils out. Cause my brother got to have ice cream.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:42] That was, yeah, that was sad.
Yeah. But like, I mean, have you had your, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:48] nothing I've never been in, I've never been in surgery. I've had an epidural for my back. That's right. But I've never, I'd be terrible at like, I mean, no one Brie away says, you know, no one likes it. Like, I don't like hospitals. I don't like, uh, I did it in the chair.
Okay. If I can, the tooth. Broke apart during
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:07] to knowing the bone, the bone? Um, no, because when I got my wisdom teeth out, I got a get jelly and ice cream. Oh, that's good.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:14] I, um, when I was a kid and I found out about the tooth fairy, uh, we were watching a movie at school and, um, I pulled out, um, one tooth. I was like, this is too easy.
Mum picked me up. I had a little kinder surprise thing and I. Shook it, I'm sorry. What's in that. And there was three teeth I'd ripped out three teeth
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:36] in one go wobbly or not, not as a missing tooth in between.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:44] Is it funny? I, um, you, you don't realize something about yourself. And it just happened maybe a year ago I looked in the mirror, I'm like, Oh my God.
What's happened to my 2000 years. And I just had never tap on
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:59] it. It's so weird. I became transfixed on something, but I it's, like, I just noticed it with moles and stuff. Yeah. I've had that like, Oh my God, I actually have a mole on my face. Weird.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:16] What's exciting. Anyway. Yeah. Now how long till I miss
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:20] June match right now?
March, April, may, June three months, three months. Over a little bit over. It's not long. It's not long at all. It's not long to grow a child anytime at nine months flies. Well, we'll definitely
Josh Janssen: [00:36:37] we'll we'll work out a daily talk show pack. That'd be good. Can
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:41] bring, if people want to send stuff, what happens? Ah, here we go.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:46] Uh, the daily talk show, like doing an episode. Did you bring up with the, like the trainers? What happens if you're going to record nap? We just getting someone outside broadcast from the hospital. That'd be
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:04] good. That'd be come the cab. I couldn't
Josh Janssen: [00:37:07] do it from the car
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:07] park. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you, well, I mean, I have to like the hospital thing, you don't get to that.
The guy doesn't get to stay much. The partner doesn't get to stay in a lot of these public hospitals. So you, uh, well at a certain time when the birth is happening. Yes. But if the birth happens at 9:00 AM and it's all good, I'd have to go home that night at 10:00 PM. Okay. And have a sleep. And then I can get back in at 7:30 AM.
Josh Janssen: [00:37:37] try and maybe, uh, Jess, George, and I can do an episode from the loves to shack that was called
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:43] loves to cave. That could be fun. That's annoying. I wouldn't be there, but it
Josh Janssen: [00:37:49] would be a good celebration. Or maybe then the next episode, you're back. How much time are you
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:53] taking off? I hadn't even thought about, I haven't thought about it and you need a few weeks.
You don't know when it's happening. I mean, the thing is how long did he take off last time awake? That doesn't say number four. I was non-existent around the house. Yeah, sure. Well, but the thing is bodies' still has to go to daycare. It's like when you have another child, there's Amy Amy's mum
Josh Janssen: [00:38:20] lives, uh, interstate, like you going to organize like more family around or something is your sister.
There's so many logistics. Isn't there.
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:30] It's uh, I mean, in, in respects to the second child, it is a bit that stuff, because we've gone through the one and we had the support, the first one, which was awesome. More so just with Amy's sister, then coming down and, um, It was hard to, I think we're going to, this is optimistically going to be a much smoother ride.
Josh Janssen: [00:38:53] remember a friend saying that it was hard. The first time they had to drive their kid. I drive the baby, like the baby's in the car. It's like, everyone's a bit tense.
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:02] Oh yeah. Taking the baby out into this natural resource time out in the real world. I remember
Josh Janssen: [00:39:06] that. How long was it? How long was it between when Bodhi was born?
When did you leave the hospital? After Bodhi was born? Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:15] Yeah, it was the, exactly what I actually outlined. I didn't even think about that. So he was born at like 10:00 AM and nine, our motto and I, and I left that night for Amy to, um, stay there. Cause I wasn't allowed to make friends. She was annoyed by the woman who was sitting next to her.
Pick my birthday, but no, she kept a new this all night to the baby, to her baby. That's nice. But it's annoying when you're so tired, you know, it's like sweet. There's some annoying shit that, yeah. And yeah, she was, um, I don't know if she could speak English and her heck he'd had six fingers. Yeah. And the extra one I saw, I wouldn't, every time I came up looking, I say it, trying to see this little pinky anyway, it's um, It's annoying.
Like you don't want to be in the same room with somebody like you want the time for your family. Just, you know, it's not about other people. You literally just want to be in that little. So I don't know this, the health system is amazing. The public health system here in
Josh Janssen: [00:40:19] Australia, private, what's the difference in the pay?
You have to pay for the private insurance, but you don't have to pay
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:26] if you, if you had the money you could pay and not have private. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:29] Yeah. I had a friend that did that. She didn't have it. Didn't have the insurance, but then just pay to go private. But what's the difference?
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:37] Your own role. Yeah. You then get put into a hotel that has like, um, people there, if something goes wrong, it's like, yeah.
Transitioning from the hospital to the hotel. I went and visited my brother. He was staying. It's a nice hotel, you know, in the buffet when you know the library cave caters, but it
Josh Janssen: [00:40:57] like a hotel, like a, like a Hilton or something
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:00] holiday in wait, was it this one in East Melbourne here
Josh Janssen: [00:41:04] and it's connected. Oh yeah.
The Ismail, I guess there are sort of,
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:08] there is one connected to the hotel. Is it better? No. Yeah, no, they actually put you up in some hotels, but they must have just on the wa in that area, they have. Midwives or nurses that are on call just in case something goes
Josh Janssen: [00:41:21] just remembered my, um, ambulance cover lapsed yesterday that reminder everyone to your ambulance cover.
If you're in Victoria, it's not
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:29] much, I did nine bucks a year for a family. You got to have, it must be like
Josh Janssen: [00:41:34] 30 something. Yeah. And I didn't have it yesterday. And I was thinking of
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:38] there's a grace period. But you don't want to get done with that? No, it's 800 bucks ambulance.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:44] If you need a helicopter five grand, I think that's not good.
Anyway. Uh, any, uh, tips on giving birth, you probably don't want to hear him, right.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:53] Well, I don't want it negative stories. Cause that's the thing thinking about like, if all you're hearing is negativity about someone else's birth, which is their own trip. Yeah, no, you got to experience yourself, but it's about surrounding yourself.
If you had a really positive birth story, let us know. That's the better version, because then you're like inspired.
Josh Janssen: [00:42:12] I, you know what I'm like, I like to help. Have you thought about magnesium
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:16] to what?
Josh Janssen: [00:42:18] Magnesium? I mean, familiar with your aches, they'll be spraying it on Amy's
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:23] back. Yeah. That could be, I mean, maybe look up magnesium
Josh Janssen: [00:42:29] giving childbirth.
Okay. Right. Uh, it's a daily talk show. Have a great day. We'll see you tomorrow, guys. See you guys.