#046 – Graffiti and gangs/

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The Daily talk show Hi everyone it is Episode 46 yeah and as you said that I just realized that I forgot to bring from the office the package Michelle Santas oh yeah from London that's annoying it's my remember what she said in the letter she's not from from fucking London oh well as heartland

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Yeah. Boy Hill enjoy that what's been going on

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there is ever increasing graffiti going up around Melbourne and like when I was it Did you notice this you probably didn't you know how we were on different wavelengths in terms of what we're seeing in our world because of what you're being a part of. I wear glasses is I think is what you're trying to say

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no, I'm just saying I used to sort of dabble into graffiti when I was younger and so I noticed a lot of tagging tags and what would you say

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right it's like bunch of different stuff beta the idea yeah I've got a real data you might see in some my videos my friend who took his life made me and it's the last thing I feel like it's it's a thing and I'm sentimental about it it's a piece of paper that he used a pin to draw and write and do a little piece for me and says oh my boys like so fucking nice to have that yes I've got it up it's like any of my videos on my YouTube channel you can sort of see it on the wall in the back of that's cool and as a stained soul that Haywood nine ages three star okay but I've been seeing like people writing company names that I it's it's probably not guerilla marketing but some person writes Uber every and every time say I'm not a fact Uber that's funny one three cabs

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in Roddy Creek. And that's a funny, I wonder if one three cabs can get in trouble for that

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was a guerrilla marketing, right. I mean, I see. Imagine if you paid some dirt. You can't. I had one fucker Jacob, from humdrum. He I gave him another field man. Yeah,

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I gave him some full stack film stickers. Yeah, I was walking with a client few weeks later and the clinc us hey what's your logo Jacob had put the fucking logo on a stop sign down in Collingwood like a kilometer away from my office

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on the front of this stuff so yeah

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on the standard no standing side yeah okay so I

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look like a fucking parasites they actually classify that would be graffiti graffiti because a lot of tag is graffiti artists doing stickers now Oh, I did I know I remember was even popular back in the day when I was growing up. And I would just either get like blank ones right a tag onto it and then go around the city putting them out what's the appeal? What was the appeal for you when you would the so I knew some really big well known tag is What is it? What do you so you're not referring to like well known graffiti artists who are doing really or gradients and like fucking spray can't like so they go between right so there's there's barely had got this tag is that became really big. But then there was also

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I guess what you call artists, small muralist that also became really big, but also tagged and what was the with the tag what, what would make a good quality tag,

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there was styles and yeah, there's like differently, I can't really explain it. But there is better tags and other tags, but quantity of your tag banging around the city. It became like, you know, it's all about notoriety. Who who knows of this? And then there was like, amazing young kid used to ride the trains and see all the tags and was thinking like, oh, who's that guy and then you'd hear stories about or you know, serving master Graham accounts. So now there's a guy named that he's tag was like, still so yeah, so

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this I actually got onto really, it's just I gets into the graffiti saying he's fucking all over that. Sure. So

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there was a guy when I was growing up he's tagged was break. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And he would be everywhere. He did tags, but he also did murals. Yeah, and he was absolutely everywhere. I found him through suicides page Yeah, because he taken a photo of him and he got he got he got us talking to another guy read another artist from the art gallery next to my studio this week. And he was telling me about break he punched out a person in the train yard female police officer for and went to jail for six months. You probably

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would for doing that we know Yeah, of course, he had all these other charges. But this is a dude who's so passionate about writing a word that goes to jail. So my point is, it's like so much more than just writing a word these dudes thinking like is what like, I think that when I was a kid bang in the sauce a or school captain, these things were this was on our faculty agenda dealing with the graffiti and there was a huge I remember pushing really hard for soup. Huddleston, the principal to install security cameras, because I was fed up with it g color Petro

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Petro she got a bit of that, but um, do you think

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do you like what sort of person is doing it? They just a bit sort of, it's a world, so I wasn't gonna mention it the minimalists. That's a world to be in right you've seen it there's almost like fandom around the sub culture subculture so graffiti is a subculture that I knew a guy who got held up at machete point knifepoint by another guy who was his train yard isn't fucking owners. He just graffiti in the train out on the side of trains. But this guy I knew was there to do graffiti on the trains. And he said you're not fucking coming in my yard. So they claim ownership over train yards.

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It's crazy ones that my old office had some tagging done it was just shoot just like a big fucking like junkies be picked? Yeah, is it like,

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I think there is a lot of graffiti around Collingwood where I I'm pretty sure kids are off the face just squirting garbage on the walls. I saw when I was in that office. I was just sort of

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my desk used to sort of look towards this sort of like, fogged out glass that was sort of up a bit higher. And I just say this arm go up and then they've got like a component market Mr. Fucking tagging it. What was your response house? I What do I do? So I just ran over and it was next to a door which we never had access to. And just fucking rattled the door. They ran out runaway but it's also you think about it's pretty low. It's a low level crime massively, but they

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are so what I was getting at before was Oakland, Physical Graffiti in Oakland. Yeah. In comparison to Melbourne, Melbourne, it's known for like one of the be straight at Sainz. Well,

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Ryan Nicodemus from the meal must we went around and we're sort of exploring and he said he reminded him of Berlin yeah

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so record the artist who's going to show on in the art gallery next to my office he lives in Berlin and they live there because of the outset is huge over there but I think it's like I said I appreciate some of the tags even though they just like Miss on a wall and some people would be like that's just fucking gross yeah it's annoying and gross but I'm actually enjoying like as you talk about it

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yeah there's a bit of me which is like oh this could be fun

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why to sit on the train looking out the window at the graffiti all day on the train tracks and I remember at night there was times that we would like just walk the train tracks like from we walked from Did you ever do the train riding we jump on the backward back on what's it called it's gone it's called a back on and you the back of the train you literally jump onto the back of the trying to hold on and you've done that

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yeah what what trying line Sandringham was scared shirtless yeah

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I mean it's one of those things I felt like it wasn't that unsafe I'm on like on this big bit holding on pretty tight as long as you hold on but you fact if you fell off like I think about that think about my son doing it I'm like I mean he can he can only just start walking so the good thing is trains nowadays have lost the back of them that more so now they're less conducive to even be able to hold on to anything there so they've they've sort of shape them in a way that the connector for when the trends come together isn't locked the old one was I remember once I've ran up so we went up to so you to hide underneath the station yeah and I would go up at the back of the train and we jumped up onto the back and I got the fucking Friday my life the train horn in the back

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but just rattled my brain there was a guy in the back so there was like a so he saw you he saw me a sore as and then he pressed it and we fact jumped off and shut ourselves and ran away just reminded me so remember the guy that all the people that would hold up people you can't come in and train yet the same people we used to get the key and it used to be called so there's always terminology is called like the Guardian The Guardian what what's that what's that stand for the god he will be like the gods like the security guards like that we're referring to the back of the train so when like almost like where you sit to drive the train. Yeah but at the back. Okay, I'd call it the guardian. We've got the guardi case of some of these dudes had the key to getting through the train carried into the bit we drive the train what I do with it so because the back of the train has the front of the train so it's just like you know it's not doing a U turn it just goes to the end of the line. Yeah, the driver gets out walks to the end and jumps in the front again so then drives back the other way so one's always empty and so people get in there and put their tag up on the blind that you'd pull down and so it's like that it was notable to get your tag on that blind would you Did you ever get any really good spot I got into the guardi with some people that had a key ones when I was just out of the tribe I never I never tagged on the back of like on the blind but we used to come to Smith straight to get it was like the only one of the only locations you can come to get permanent Inc this special time off of ink What do you mean like office works like it was a news agents that would sell specific ink that was called black top Inc. And would you like painted on NASA you'd get markers and you'd fill up your market with it could you just not buy a market with order be expensive never put that in so it was like patting also like stamps yeah but these kids like kids are so fucking nifty they worked out that this Inc was like you'd watch it on and it just wouldn't come off you wipe it off and then there's like this sort of blue Mark

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it's the subculture runs so deep dude it's like and I asked her so about this because so so if you see was so to it

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yeah he was even getting

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he showed he posted a photo of guys up at the top of the NY licks sign. Yeah, this was heaps of graffiti guys were getting into it. Obviously, up there. abandoned buildings is like where it's at, for doing graffiti. So the question that I have about it is, I was wondering, I was driving along the other day, I saw this white van. Like, why, why aren't we seeing more graffiti on cars?

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I heard stories of people like throwing that black top Inc. into a convertible before

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it was never first hand store. So yeah, what I mean bullshit. But you're right. I don't know. You see, here's the thing, right? You could think

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maybe you could listen to me about me doing graffiti back in the day. But like you fucking disrespectful little shit. But people within the subculture like literally have rules. Yeah. What are some rules? Don't spray painted car? Yeah. Fucking idiot. Yeah, it's like them. Don't spray paint a wall now. What was free? Oh yeah, you can. Yeah,

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so water. So there's also stuff about tagging on other people's graffiti. Yeah, you can't. What do you call what they call it? cap? So I was like, Don't fucking cat my piece. Really? Don't cap my piece because I saw that a couple of times walking around today. Like beautiful murals. Yeah I had some fucking idiot that is written ruin it

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yeah so there was literally fear from getting bashed by the older guys yeah in the gangs in the is in gang. Like, some of them were pretty hard like, like, more violent than others. There was a few there was a gang called TSS which is still around and there's it I heard there's one guy at now that the the rumor is because I sort of still have connections to these areas of life are now you don't fuck with that dude he's brothers like a full blown jail dude jailbird and he's so what's

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the difference between like by keys and gang? Do you think well, Bakkies would laugh probably graffiti gangs yeah

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cuz they're legit organizations

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and by criminals

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bikers on criminals I'm but there's a difference in in bikers and by keys and their bike as you'll see on the Great Ocean Road with a little headsets that will be made well yeah

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yeah bike biker gangs. So the common arrows and key not name and if that's making me uncomfortable,

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nobody can. Okay. Great and ido are on the yellow pages. They're actually tangible goals. It's like talking about the gangs in New Zealand that are famous the mangrove mob and like, they just facts that these around, right and I'm not saying they're criminals, they have like, a lot of them have legit businesses and not support them a but the way that they're legitimate there. Josh, I'm just about to ask you. Do you want to join that? I actually have this when I was a kid

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when I was were banks year 11, I was doing music industry and my teacher. I didn't do any of my class work. And he was in a cover band. A Queen cover band. Yeah. And he was Freddie Mercury in the band. And he said that if I went to film him at music land in the western suburbs, he had a gig on if I filmed it, that he would pass me because it would count those like industry experience. So he picked to pray and I think about 11pm for like, like, after midnight show. How are we 16 1617?

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And then the best part was, he then had another gig like a couple weeks later, that was at a box. Yes, that was where my moms like, you can't you know, going to the club? I mean trade by darkies. Yeah, I was sitting next to some Bandidos. How do you know that their band aids

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and this is why I'm talking about it because they rock out there on the box pocket on the pavement and then the patch. So they've got their like, like,

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their jacket that has Bandidos and they've all got to have Harley Davidson So no, not specifically there was a prospect which was like a balky in the making before they're fully patched

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Sons of Anarchy. In fact, if you watch Have you been into any of this gangster night because I think it's sort of

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it's a little bit childish it's a little bit sad now you've mentioned them all they can but it's this old like

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there's something a bit sad about it but

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so there's other than balky gangs because there are some that a lot less active within criminal

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criminal activity what is one on like the low end

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I think the outlaws on that prolific in crime and never even got outlaws and then what am I made steps was the president so that the top of the outlaws and they'll pretty time yeah the time that yeah well I think it's still had some things going on a club houses getting righted. But like the ones at the top you can just look in the paper you find like the Mongols and stuff like that. There's some pretty hefty ones. But then like in terms of like talking about graffiti in the subcultures like these like the Gypsy jokers and the band aid is these are all the what's the rebels and there's another one these all come from international so they started like scattered around America yeah and they work their way out like the Mongols have clubs in Thailand and have

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hubs in Melbourne and fucking Singapore I think they probably get into like the human trafficking and Jenna

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I mean not that I know if I went to high school with a few due to balky now full face time where

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does the money I don't

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know so this is that's why I'm so in trade because he the from the X ray couldn't make a doc I want could wait because there's already been a row yeah sure of course I'd love to have a boxy on this and talk to them about this stuff but what I worry about is

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I might just say well now you get a stockpile this 500 bucks a week because you had us on the show tonight you just never know but I would love to shift that happens all gangs have always been known to sort of like give protection and the protections not needed they just offer the protection you gotta pay now fuck

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you know when I was important Melbourne

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commentary is important yeah

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and we were I think we used to live on not straight and bang bang bang one morning look outside on the balcony is a big fucking SWAT they're like what like a not a van it's like one of those like heavy artillery fucking vehicles and they're like over the Speaker I do come out yeah if I can crazy and I ended up I was on triple m news for us you were out on the balcony just do it what's up with me and balconies and not think that you're about to comment about like by Bach ease it was over a low level staff All I said was yeah I heard the noise in the morning oh yeah

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visit my Facebook page but no that was that was interesting that this shit doesn't fall I don't know why doesn't scare me like it used to when I was a kid drugs and gangs and all of this shit really scared me I remember being in the car with my cousin in St Kilda and having a junkie trying to open the door of the car I was like fucking freaked out and then her house got broken into in St Kilda. Have you ever you had that one incident in bond I with your hard drive your laptop yeah I haven't had much burglaries but

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the gang that were used to be scared of where you'd hear all that and now earlier days that us so I grew up sort of late 90s 2000s 2000

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like mid middle 2000s when I was a real little punk and it's and I early 2000s but the Oakley walks and I'm just using I'm not calling them August that's what they call themselves that they they logo was oh and then the middle w they just copied the is almost Volkswagen

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but they they were known to be like pretty fucking brutal mostly walks would have the best spreads when it comes to

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look moms might look at some leftovers from mom and you know Oakley was where they were they will start fighting get stitches because I too much before that the you know so like when I think about gangs I think about

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like to the bandana re type thing I'm like having the red creep and yeah did you did you ever get into bandanas ever have a bandana not I wasn't into that that's like very American gang culture creep that was my school there was a few kids doing that sort of shoes yeah i mean but I think that they think yeah it's literally try hands you definitely

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feel like I walk through like I'm more I'm more worried about junkies if I was walking through group of and when I say junkies just severe drug users that are unstable based or you know on that versus walking past a pack a young kids what would your approach be so I had a friend kk who's from the US lived in Carlton yeah

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walking along Coulson 7pm girl girl and she

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a gang basically ripped her phone out of a hand she went to chase the guy and there was like four of the the guys behind us a don't chase him well you'll get her and it was some sort of initiation thing the police told her that they had done about five phones in the last 20 minutes all in that area

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what would your strategy Bay if that happened

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yeah

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I feel like I was never happened to me I feel like I've always had my wits about me yeah

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would you be the type to push back on it or would you just allow

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yeah in the in the moment I probably would

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if knowing like why it was size it up yeah i think that's I think I would like to think I'm straights Matt and I would why up if it was tool them yes fucking straight right to the nose and one of them you were solid Roundhouse to the other I'd like to think I would do that but I wouldn't want to now actually I take that back I'm always I try and defuse situations are you old me would have tried to Frank each one of them and do a flying elbow to the other yeah then the

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the old domain value like if they have to you

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I think about yeah I think about getting stead was think so just be like whatever I take it yeah nowadays I definitely

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yeah I remember as a kid what we taught as a kid if something was happening like if you were say getting abducted German we Tony I can't remember what I was told like this is what our class was taught that if anything was happening you getting abducted to yell fire

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and the idea is that people are more likely to if there's a fire people like fucking freak out want to do something extra to live on a bit fracking confusing because I will fire and then you have to explain like I was saying that because this guy was impacting the unlikely you're fucking liar while we're gonna listen anyway Did you any you have the scary thing things in school words like those conversations where there's been a man who's been walking around and he's been going up to the fence and asking kids to come so you have that yeah we had that in our school so it's like everyone if you say anyone at the fence don't do anything like you don't go to the fence isn't that fact out yet fact out the that's the thing that was I remember being so scared as a kid or just thinking about like these fucking predators I didn't think I didn't think about that much I was just out my back my blinds and down the ball and riding around I never It was never fee I never had that fief maybe had any Did you have any incidents as a kid where you felt like really unsafe oh yeah I was in in situations where

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my was like rolled was being rolled his life gives you fine ok I want you find and so there was this this NASA dude who's still around so I mentioned him but he's been in and out of jail now and horrible I now have guns and shoot size like anyway I went to school with him no no so he was like a bad kid then and all the probably 17 we always like to fucking 1213 yeah and he rolled my friend in fact like I was standing with him and he's like you know trying to get he's fine off him and so I was there for that and I was there for another time when another guy got rolled freeze fun it was a real thing back in the day rolling kids for this is all

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I have to do is I'd give us you fine yeah because if someone said give us your phone and I said no it's a fucking give me a phone or her you probably give them the phone yeah

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and so and and especially when it's like these dudes who have reputations that you're like oh shit and so I look back in the like I would now be twice the size of this dude and yeah and it's not that it's a fact that they're cowards and they gonna fucking stop being channel So my point is when I'm yet when you're young right like all the kids that are like three years old and yeah really gone through puberty and also thing they like they like men and now I look at these kids I drive past and they're all like you know, lads that I got their heads up, you know, sort of sticking out the hair pointing out Yeah, they called labs. If you look that up, you know, they look like tennis players, but like they were scary to me when I was a kid. You're tense, like seeing a pack of these. Now I see them and laugh but it's just because I'm older and sort of,

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I guess

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shirts isn't scary. Yeah. Yeah, they went they shopped at low cost and it was def I look on the

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fly or die.

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will say Have a good one. Bye.