#202 – Gawndy On The Less World Famous Rooftop/

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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket is the daily talk show everyone back in Melbourne. Yeah. Second the rooftop. Yeah. With Gandhi, right? Yeah. What's going on? You guys have had some great guests in the last few weeks. They've been a show on night and I'm thinking Geez, they going up and up and up and then they get back from overseas and they got me Yeah, now Well, you've you've got us the roof top and describe where we are going. So we are at SCA in Melbourne. I've done my show at a PEX. We had the radio Awards on the weekend and on base on the Central Coast just out of Sydney. So now from Sydney, a lot of people think it's a long way from Sydney, but it's literally an hour with the coast lifestyle but this company so we're here today, off the back of the radio awards and I head home today.

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What's the deal with do that? Do you have to be? You know, can we please do the show? Are they okay with it? well know, for me when I was in shipping and it was non existent, you couldn't just, hey, we're just going to go down to Melbourne and do a show. What and I think then, with all these Digital Studios and stuff set up now, I think there's a lot of it's becoming easier. Yeah. Although this you had access to this at that point in time as well. Right? Yeah. Well, maybe. I don't know. We felt like we were very much shit kickers of the business. See, but I think that's changed your again. Yeah, I really do. I think, because I've worked in this very building. I think, Tommy, you and I worked here and about the same time and I think the perception of stations outside of the metros has changed a lot. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, we just don't even ask any questions. We just send the email the text, confirm it and we walk through the door so I'm not sure so the real the job for the text has just become much harder because they're getting all these people going. Yeah, can we do the show remote from Melbourne now so that for people who aren't familiar with

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The radio industry these how many regional stations Direct and Southern Cross the series, something like 68 Regional stations and they do vary in size. I think it kind of starts at the Gold Coast, Newcastle Cambria and Syosset probably the bigger markets at breakfast shows one of which I'm on with ash Paul od from MK we have producers on the Breakfast Show and a lot of them wouldn't have had that and then you have this and I producers and yes, there's a lot of regional stations for sure.

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But yeah, I mean, I guess some of the bigger ones get access and maybe some god i'm not sure that

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anyone that's listening I mean just give it a crack cuz this is a great building. I love company. Yeah. Well, you see at McGuire we're just walking the halls through a bunch of a Kevin Lee Yeah, who's doing breakfast up in Sydney, but he's in Melbourne. Well, yeah, half the shows here half the shows in Sydney for that show in the studio. We're out of is right next door to them decide. They've got talent.

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absolutely everywhere in this building. It's actually a good vibe today, like off the back of the radio awards. It sort of reminds me Tommy and I went to Sirius radio. I went there to when I was in New York. Yeah. Did your fan Harlem Is that who you're

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connected?

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Through Brad blanks actually. Yeah.

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That was Brad blanks. And he was like on a to hook you up with the guy from from serious and we're in this bar having a beer and he goes, you wouldn't believe it. The guys just walked in the door of any bar in the whole of New York City.

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When we got to New York, Josh saw Van Halen walking down the street, and then we're out with Brad legs. And then Brad said, you gotta go to a series.

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Yeah, I reckon there's something out on stage. You have to pay cash.

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You know, having been too serious. They sort of they've got studios and studios with all different shows going on. Yeah, and I guess normally we've got

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Metro will have the main Breakfast Show or whatever. But this is like a different vibe today where there's lots of different breakfast shows all doing their thing. Did you guys get to go into howard stern side of the building?

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I like going he was testing as to say we

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should we shouldn't say yes. No one's going to do you. Do you listen to Howard Stern and I Well, I don't pay for it. I have to pay for some sort of.

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Yeah, yeah, I don't pay for it. I just get it all on YouTube whenever they upload things, or he's Instagram's quite good for a lot of their content as well. So I just kind of get it through there. But I would like to listen to it daily. I mean, one of the greatest if not the greatest broadcasters of all time. Yeah. And howard stern. So Isn't it funny how his voice coming from that guy? Like, yeah, seeing he misses. scrawny kinda long haired, eccentric looking dude has this really deep voice a video of him talking about and our economic and realises that hey,

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gets these headphones set to a certain

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volume or not volume. It's like a base of his voice then he gets changed, which makes him talk in that lower tone.

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So he's headphones. It's funny now, Derek who is has a scooter repair business but also it turned his dyno into a podcasting studio. He talks about that very theory, which is he thinks I talked differently because I'm always wearing the headphones. Yeah, I reckon if you didn't have your headphones on, you'd be talking louder right now because we're out outside. Yeah. And you I've noticed you are talking quite softly okay.

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I appreciate the just sitting there enjoying the sound of his voice.

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actually turned you guys right. Barely. I can hear you through my chest. We're not a there's the phrase the world famous rooftop, which selling Crossroads stereo sort of isn't that

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this is the

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This is the

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world famous rooftop. He's just up there. I think we can say it. They've had some great parties out there. This is kind of attached to the digital side where I think people just come out and have dots and Bs. Yeah, this

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is Yeah, there's many remaining dots and bees that have been discovered on the ground. That's probably from from the weekend. So, Gandhi, you've worked here, you've worked everywhere. Yep. And your How long you been in the radio industry for? I got into the ashes, helicopters arrived.

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She's getting picked up now.

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She's getting back to the

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floor. And that's not a plug by the way.

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I got into I'm 32 now and I'll get into radio when I was 15 or 16. Doing Movie Reviews at my life.

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Cool. radio station. So what was that? What was your local? It was coast FM in Mandarin 97.3. And I worked at the local cinema there. And I was always interested in writing on the general manager said, we actually are looking for someone to do Movie Reviews at their local cinema. Do you want to do that? And it was a great foot in the door. Yeah, but then it probably took another two or three years before I landed like a full time gig. So I've clicked over the 10 year mark, but I'm worked a lot of behind the scenes kind of stuff on big shows like Ryan Monte and we're we're now we're doing an overdrive show. into the team with days I was there with the start of them. So yeah, I've done a lot of stuff kind of behind the scenes with them. And probably the last three years I've been hosting my own show. Yeah. Which is why I found I had to kind of move out of the CDs to get that gig and I was working at NOVA in Brisbane, which is a radio station here in Australia, doing awaken show with Jonathan Brown, who's a footballer who's now on the Breakfast Show. Now on the Breakfast Show and

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So yeah, he teach me and I thought all I'm gonna have a crack at this as well and often play 300 games of footy. So it's a bit of a longer road, but it's, it's one I'm willing to take. So you have clocked over 10 years of full time radio work. I think I said to Josh, that there was one point in time and this is when we were hanging out when you were in Melbourne, living here and working on Nova and we frequent boutique. That's why together Yeah. But so you were on that Breakfast Show. And your name is Dan or they use you Gandhi's your nickname? Yes, you soon I'm gone. Gone. Back. your real name is Dan. And they had you anchoring. And that was Dan one week. And then I because I used to listen, mainly because you're on there. I liked and I liked your input. And then all of a sudden, there's a Dan in there, but it's not fucking you. Yes. He's gone. Yeah, you can relate to this because this is how many Tommy Tommy came in after me. After manager. What happened? I didn't know what happened in this was anchoring using Kate. That was 20

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12 and he's he wanted me to be Dan because going Dean Hughes, he and I were just too similar. So he said, let's just read and Dan, probably threatening to take his role. Not saying that I just said, we think Dan role was a bit easier than then Gandhi. So I went with that and then 10 months later you didn't get to see the Chinese names.

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But as a 26 year old coming into that role, you'll be called whatever we had some crazy radio names a little bit.

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That's what I was commonly.

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Even when I was here at triple m in Melbourne when I was younger than I was, I was the G train because I was in Melbourne, I'd have a crazy name so they called me the G train. really wrong with that but just back to the the Nova thing. I went back to Nova in Sydney to rejoin the team with the show, and then he took over for me so I left his day and he started a den and then even

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Lighter I was getting people messaging me going oh I love that bit you did on the radio yeah I haven't been there and he

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didn't even really know is just this easy transition I wish I had to double double time because I hang on yeah that he's not your voice and I think it was I wouldn't they must have at some point just

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one announcement is like all right can we can probably get away with not doing any more than one announcement because the same night I didn't even know it was announced I think it was just kind of swept under the rug and replaced with about the same nice What was it like? Did making the transition from being off air and having a row on air? what's what's the vibe like? what's the what's it doing? I went from behind the scenes with feed scene with Saul's peddling Nishan call aka jack posts with Hamish and Andy and editing a lot of this sketches and prank calls and helping them come up with ideas for parody songs and whatnot. And then I went to anchor the using Katonah to solid anchor all even were dead. Cavalier was doing it. He wasn't 19

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I was always still using Kate and all but otherwise fan that solid third person and co roll really strange you're kind of a you're involved you're in the conversation it'd be like the three of us here having a chat but I need to pay for a 90 in the chat Tommy feels like

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found that to be weed and then my goal was always to get my own show with my name in it where you have older creative control I guess and you're kind of running your own thing so there's a huge difference between being that person and not being not not credited because you are but the idea is on yours you're really just there to facilitate other people's ideas and it's funny You're so close to what you want to do is your dream job which is that for me, but you're not really doing it if that makes sense. You're not coming up with the ideas you just kind of helping someone else create this I always found that a bit strange and I think guys like bar and cook who are he's on the faith Evan barn show in Melbourne. He's managed to change that and

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Now he's 90 in the show Yeah, I don't know I think if I'm ever a content director in radio one day way down the tracker I just don't think I would hire anyone that's not might be good enough to be that third person I think I just keep looking until I found someone who is actually good enough to be that third party in the show otherwise What's the point in being there I guess but using Kate such a strong brand I didn't want to change it to be easy Kate and Dan you know to me it's just a that's the name of the show say make it known that okay, you can't don't overstep the mark here No, not really he's he was always like get involved more like you know, I mean, like jumping there a whole lot more but

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you know, you it's, it's different because the guys in the studio so using camera was like getting into it. And in the programme directors a lot.

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You know, they the stars of the show, and you're trying to, you know, replace you with another Dan immediately, which

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that's really a thing like I remember when I was doing

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digital content for FIFA angels I remember there was a like you'd be having a certain type of banter with like say Jules or Faye or whoever it is and then you'd have people around being like oh, like having sideline conversations of like order to keep their energy you gotta you know, that sort of protection mentality talent mentality right it's like is all these conversations going on around the stars? They was probably telling Carrie I can you get Josh away from

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me and just not saying anything. Did you define being openly ambitious so

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actively saying that you wanted to be on air? Was that a bit of a turnoff for people? Do you think when you weren't in those positions? I think it's a fine line isn't it? You know, man, you don't want to come across as too keen to push people out of the way but at the same time you walk on a bit to show what you've got and and take it to that to that next level was definitely a follow on it's the same for anyone trying to break into into the into

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You're going to try and be persistent without being annoying and it's knowing the balance between between the two. So I was just picking your moments, I guess any moment where you feel like you got it wrong where you're a bit embarrassed of something that you did or

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over

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on anything because I feel like I've definitely had moments where it's like that energy can go one of two ways it can be great or whatever or it can be that excitability can also be used to

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No no, not really where I think I've I've got a wrong I actually think with that fine line that I speak of, I probably probably edge on the side of being more persistent than not long rather than just playing it cool. I I kind of pushed a little bit harder to but when I got the job on the central coast where I am now which is Monday to Friday breakfast, I was sending Mickey Mouse in the payday their emails every day to show that I was Kane, and some people might take that as being being annoying, but I guess you've got to show them that that's what you really want. You know too many low Yeah.

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Would you rather sit on that solid then on the sod applying it to Columbia? You guys are recording a show every day. Yeah, the autumn a lot. That's that's an extreme. Yeah, I I definitely didn't utilise that more to my

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it's probably to my detriment that I didn't actually email people more when I was in Action Network. Yeah. Because I found that people with who are less focused on actually getting that

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upping their talent. We're doing more of that and saying you did that but the people around me who you know, weren't focusing on actually doing great work. Were the ones actually shooting off heaps of emails trying to get a check from big you know, big paydays because they wanted to get in further or, you know, advance their career. So it was this funny thing of when do you know, when do you decide, okay, I'll go hard on this. And then also work out of my craft is this when you went to shepherd and what did you expect to get out of it when you went to that market? And it's not the biggest market but yeah, what is it two or three

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from Melbourne so you still got access to two hours. But did you have to get out? I was absolutely thinking

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I could get home and that was crying as well. No, no I I didn't think too much at the time about what I was getting out of it I had my head down trying to work it all out yeah and actually create lots which you have to you got no choice but to do five days a week and make content around it. But yeah, I think we're I would I didn't do it maybe because I didn't actually want to move on into these other markets doing this type. Like I think about what I'm doing now is more in line with what I actually want to be doing. Why did you go there? I actually fell into it. I literally got asked to do a talent day here. Literally in this in that room right there where I'm pointing to one metre away from us. I did like a test day. Yeah. And there was like mighty smiley, bunch of people from Big Brother. And it was like they got all these people in they said if this doesn't

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Meaning, you're not going to get a job from this. But you may in the future be acknowledged or whatever it was. And it was like, I had to bring a whole bunch of ideas. And he did a whole bunch of talk breaks. And then three, four weeks later, Dave Cameron emailed me at 12am was like, hey, Matt, would you be interested in a breakfast radio show in regional Victoria? Yeah. And so I literally did that. I wasn't, I was doing some stuff in this business. But I was always aiming for doing more video work. It's funny what the perception is thing. So I remember when you got that, I thought, oh, Tommy's got there, and you begin to ease there and maybe work your way up. But yeah, I guess you're just kind of taking that role and stunting the growth of other people that actually want to do that.

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But I think I think it took me getting that to realise that it's like, it's not actually like working with a co host that I don't actually, like, not that I dislike, but they're not my friend. Yeah, I can't do that. I've said to Ryan, john, you play the game really well, and he didn't really know what the game meant, but I mean, the game

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I've actually working with somebody who you have to see every single day that isn't actually like for what the, what the actual relationship is where you having to talk, you communicate and it's like it's there's a heightened emotional level to it. I can't do that with somebody that isn't you know, like I couldn't do it. I couldn't do what I've done with Josh if I actually didn't like him right and have this especially for no money for 50 grand

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and that was just enough but I saw so many more opportunity in that which was learning and and actually having a go at something throwing myself into something that I was kind of interested in. But I didn't know if it was the thing and so what's the point of the daily talk show then because again off the back of you doing ship it and and then you guys doing this every day, I thought maybe this is just a great stepping stone into hosting something maybe for the both of you. So again, it's not it's not. It's not what you want to waste. I think we see this is the final stone in summarise.

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I think with with podcasting, you think about, say

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10 years ago, you might want to drive show a national drive show or whatever it is.

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But if you look at it now, hey, mission, Andy, specifically on doing a podcast? Yeah. And so in a lot of ways, we're given the opportunity to have that drive slot now. And so for us, I think that there's an empowerment in knowing that we can invest whatever we want into this. And we don't have to worry about like, you know, I know, the feeling of being in a role where you feel like you're being stunted by what people think that you're capable is, is what you know, that you're capable of. And so, and the pressures that come with that to trying to prove those people wrong and, and also the imposter syndrome within yourself where, you know, I have days where I'm like, Am I any good at this and then you don't have a lot. Yeah, it's one of those constant things where you are trying to impress others and prove to yourself that it's a

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Something that you can do. So I guess you guys have the creative to creative control to do as you plays and there's no one to answer to but yourself. Well, I think about like, different roles within radio, say a digital content producer, if if I introduce you to a digital content producer, you can straightaway sort of have a sense of who they are, where they sort of fit in with the company, what sort of what sort of clout they have all those sorts of things. And that's what I fucking hated working within radio. And so what were you know, Tommy and I've created a big media company, that's a new business and it's the, the idea that we're pushing all of that away and confusing the fuck out of people is build it like it we are playing in the same realm that the, you know, we're interviewing people like Seth Godin, one of the biggest marketers in the world, were able to actually do things that could you imagine if you spoke to your content director and said, Hey, I want we want to do two weeks in the US you want to go to New York. We want to

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ally wouldn't be doing. Like how hard it would be to get that off the ground at a regional level 100% Yeah, and you gotta go, you gotta go through a lot of channels even make that idea, even a possibility. But I guess if you do get it off the ground, they pay for it. So that's Yeah, yeah, you guys would have covered that hole and get to do all that. And that's a good thing. We're lucky that we have video production as a means to make money. So we're able to fund it through a different area and then invest. I think the the creative landscape has never made less sense.

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That's exciting that Well, yeah, definitely. Because I think creativity doesn't always make sense. So it's like when we're talking about this podcasting thing and where it's moving to, I think you could look at the radio landscape and go Okay, move to a regional market, which was how it was spun to us move to a regional market, couple of years there, then you could maybe move into another spot and then move your way up. It's that classic climbing the ladder and there's that saying a climb

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The ladder and then realised it was on the wrong wall. Which is like people getting to the top and going okay, maybe this isn't the right one and I definitely felt that I saw that ladder for me as not one that I wanted to continue climbing right but maybe this one maybe will be like fuck I am on the road. Like I'm on the right wall climbing the right ladder. I also don't think that necessarily like within say a context of radio you have a real clear structure on things. But what about if you wanted to be a mix between a Hamish Blake and a Dave Cameron? Yeah. What if you wanted to be the content director and the person on air? And I don't think of that. In the current landscape. I think it's moving more into that entrepreneurial realm. Yeah, but don't necessarily think that radio has been great at those hybrid roles. You got to sort of stick into your lane. And then the other Yeah, not a man so you gotta kind of finish your time on air and then become programming or whatever it might be. But with the with the daily talk show

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Did you think about doing the weekly talk show? I mean, it's a lot to commit to, isn't it? 100% I think we're not getting paid. And it's something you got to do a single day. I wouldn't do it if we didn't like it because it's it's too much work. And the doing it every day is like what you would have learned doing a show every day, you're actually having a chance to come back and try something, rather than having to wait to think about what you gonna try. You gotta try the next morning. Yeah, you gotta change something quickly. And so there is that rapid learning, which you just don't get if you don't do it all the time. And so that's half the half the thing for us it's a point of difference too. I think it's working out what is your point of difference? I think that

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for Tommy and I was that we were having conversations every single day. And then that's a lot for

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the big baby. But the thing is, that didn't start out that like so this is our audience. I think he's a creatives or people who are working in

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This new world of the future of work, which is that we won't necessarily have one boss, we won't work for one company we might be, you know, you'll be you have a little retainer here. And in some regards, like what you were even doing with doing the lotto numbers doing all that, so stuff, yeah, that is that entrepreneurial way, which is like, I'll make 550 bucks here, I'll make 600 hero, like that freelancing type of lifestyle. That is that is really conducive to I think the type of stuff that we're trying to create for people which is like, we were having these conversations every day because when you're working from home or working in your own office, you don't you're not exposed to people. Yeah. And when you're dealing with clients who do have big offices and they do have lots of people, you just need to be able to have a sounding board and so that that's what I think we're we're trying to do is it's like this we have people who are you know, train drivers who blog is you know, all different types of paid moms moms, yeah, but I think

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You're

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a lovely message from a mother who is off work and just listen to our show a lot say, yeah.

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And so I think that there's, there's there's a lot of opportunity with all of this. I think also the daily talk show.com I managed to get for us and I think it's a pretty killer domain name. So Isn't it funny how entrepreneurship has become Koon out enough Gary Vee videos to get excited about starting my own business or whatever. But it's really this thing right now that everyone wants to be a part of, but taking that leap, probably the biggest and scariest thing but my fiance Jamie and I, we looked at starting an app and we did a course here in Melbourne.

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Through I won't even name them cuz I paid for the course and I was a bit of a stitch up to be honest. Did you fly Virgin Mary? virgin? Yeah.

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Remember

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But yeah, we did this course and there's just so much to it and this idea of borrowing money off an investor Yeah, when they're going to give you millions of dollars or whatever it might be honestly was enough to to scare me out of it just the thought of gambling and risking someone else's money and you look at the stats on

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you know, how many of those succeed and file and I listened to Jos Lund episode as well and I've chatted to Jules myself actually called him with the idea and he didn't mind the idea but you look at those numbers in so many more filing than succeeding. So it's just I think it's finding something within it. That is enough to drive you to push through any of that pain, like what you've done chipping away for years and years in radio would be someone's nightmare, because it is hard. And there is times when you like fuck, you know, Am I some fucking ass I'll dance replace me. Yeah, it's like but then you keep going and so there has to be something within what you're doing. That is enough to

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To get you just past, you know that that all that crap Jenny sounds like a long time, but it hasn't really felt that long to me. You know what I mean? Like you work a year or two here on a show, and you do a year to have this job. And I probably had three or four jobs and all the sudden you've wrapped up 10 years. Yeah, and it does feel like a long time. But also you go so far down one road, which I have with radio, which I've always loved. So I love doing it, which is probably what keeps you going is inside with you guys doing this is your love of doing it. But I'm at it. I'm kind of getting to a point now where I don't know how to do anything else. I don't have any other skills, then then then radio, whether it be on the air or behind the scenes. So if I'm to lose my gig, I'm looking at other radio options. I'm not. I don't know what else to do. Yeah, I think that it's about the being a hybrid of things as well like being able to, you know that the being good at one thing was very good in the industrial age when you're a cog in a machine or on a conveyor belt and you just had

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focus on one thing Yeah, but I think that the, what I'm excited about is it's like you can the the equipment is affordable enough all of the you know, there's YouTube videos that you can get to a point where you understand what audio engineers are doing and you can produce your own show. Think about creating what you're doing there is so many transferable skills now into this modern day in terms of creating something Yeah, emotional intelligence. Yeah, just being able to read a conversation and and that's what your your podcast what was the thought behind that? What How did you get to starting that? Well, I always I love this format of just being able to get on and have a chat and I've always been thinking up Ah, geez, I might not love AFL footy but I thought, you know, is anyone gonna listen to my fellow footy podcast when there's a whole hype out there and, and it's something that I'm probably gonna have to research a lot. So my podcast is called the radio randomly podcast where I

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chat to other radio people. And I thought, why not just stick to what I know it's the easiest thing. I don't really have to research anything because the people I chat to, I came across anyway. And it's just an extension of the things that I see in here in radio, which all right, a lot of articles on radio today, which I know this podcast features on griping and all right, and I'll go all in and I'll be more about that old. Craig Bruce has a podcast called game changes where he talks to the people at the top and I thought, well, what about the people still climbing the ladder who might not get an opportunity to speak on that podcast? And while we can all sit there and listen to Mike Malloy, talk about how great it is working an hour a day.

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And at the very top and and leave that luxury, what about the other people that are climbing that ladder and how they go about it? So I've found since chatting to those kind of people, the amount of people that I get messaging me and most of which they're all in radio, listening to the podcast, but they're getting a lot out of it because

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I can relate to those people. They go that's me right now, it's interesting to hear that someone might be struggling with a certain department of their role, and then other people can relate to that. So let's be honest, it's promotions. And it's promoted myself and they struggling with the promotions department. struggle with the promotion. Look, we need to get this activation guy got no budget. Well, is the doing the podcast? Is it giving you a new perspective on radio? And is it a good perspective? Or is it a negative one? I think the perspective is changed. It's a voice I don't know what it is I love about it. I guess it's just an exciting industry that I love and I'm excited that I'm alive in a time where it's still relevant and I do worry about this podcasting and where it might take it but you worried Are you excited? Are they one of the same thing? What's funny when internet came along and TV everything's been destined to kill off it on it's done nothing but make it its strongest. So be it

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Probably more excited than anything, but it's just been great to be a look, I'll be honest, I'm a creature of convenience. And it's just convenient and easy for me to talk to people I don't have to do a lot of research for so it's literally just turn the mics on and let's chat righty I already know what it is. And

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I try to cut the paper at the actor radio awards, and that would come up saying how much they loved it and one guy even said it's slack off become the big brother. Like if Craig Bruce is the godfather of the radio, podcasting, I'm not the big brother. Yeah, there gets these people on our level under my wing and gives them a bit of promotion and gives them a leg up in what they're trying to do. So I'm happy to take on that role. What's the when you start a podcast and you work in the radio industry? What do they do they say anything to because it is a I mean, does your podcast with the network or is it a separate you're just doing a side project did it a separate I kind of started off by reading

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A few people at work and they said, Yeah, no worries. And I just sort of started off and

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then realise how seriously the network and the company take because they've got podcast one. Yeah, how seriously they take that. So I need to now chat to those people now that it's out there. And there's a few episodes out there. I do need a chat to them. And I think I'm gonna have to change over who I published the podcast with, given the fact that I use the network facilities and talk to a lot of the talent. So yeah, I mean, it's not something I take lightly the network, the podcast, especially where you record it through and promote it through Yeah. What about the having different because in Australia, if you're listening, you're overseas. There's always been like, you know, different radio shows. They're different companies, essentially. So you, it's like a bit of competing. So having someone from another network on your radio show was a bit of a no no. And what about podcasting, having someone outside of the company SCA

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Is there any? Why did that's what I flagged so it off flagged it with the guys at SCI and the guy I chatted to he said as long as I'm not revealing any secrets of the of sci fi or anything like that, it's it's more chat to the person about where they're at and what they're doing so they've been fine with it. As it goes though, it's been more SCI people just because it's easier to take out those chats. And that's probably been the hardest thing in these podcasts and you guys might know what it's like is taking up a time where you're available they're available you know, when can you make that happen? So that's been the probably the hardest part of recording the episodes and lock yourself doing the daily talk show where you're committed to daily I guess it shows a side of me. The reason I call it the radio randomly is because I can record it randomly and randomly. That's that's the reason it's called the radio randomly because all the radio weekly and do it once a week and I just found it was too hot. To produce something up. every single week went audit know whether I'm going to be on the call

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Sorry Melbourne or wherever it might be so out of your pocket I'm going to go radio randomly and you'll get the episodes when they're out. Yeah, and they recorded an app you mentioned the actress I feel like I have a love hate relationship with the accuracy of angels. Yeah, I have a picture of you actually. I was flicking through some of the tags as I was trying to show my fiance Jamie what they were to the enterprise I'm flicking through and I saw a young up like don't wear what Josh

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the Yeah, I went to the accuracy was actually I'd finished up at the radio station that I was when I was doing the digital content producer role we did. I think it might have been Suzuki car swap or some sort of activation type thing. Anyway we want to know award but the the idea of awards shows, I just don't know how I feel I like the the everyone getting together and being able to say people and getting to sort of talk to people who are outside your normal sort of circle. That the the idea of like the competition behind it. The idea of

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This show is doing better than the other and that we're going to have a big sort of circle jerk about it. Like, I don't know, with any industry though there's always these Business Awards and I feel like some sort of like the advertising industry is big on it but I think even with the podcast award, I don't know whether we'll I don't know whether we'll enter you gotta enter

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the bit yeah so what it like it that's why I wonder what is the what's the gain? What do you see is the game for say within an accurate Well, for me, like I said, I haven't played 300 games or 40 I'm not a big name comedian. I'm just a radio guy. You know, that's kind of my background and

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so for me it is good promotion if I win even just getting nominated. So I was up for best entertainment presenter outside of the metro so it goes country provincial where where I'm at and on air and and, and Metro. So even just being named in the top three in the country for that. It kind of puts my name out there and they go all will who we

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Looking at to feel that next kind of Tim Blackwell style role in a metro Gordy's worked at Metro stations he's been nominated for an accurate for best entertainment presenter maybe he's a good candidate so I guess it's just a little bit of good promotion for me and had I won the award Tony Hennessy one on the night yeah, I guess it's just it's something that I can I can climb I guess not having the NFL football career or being on a reality TV show or something like that. It's something I can go look I one that based on my on a work I recommend be more people who would pull you up afterwards and say,

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Hey, might love the podcast? Yeah. And remember that you won the award. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but I'll take both.

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Aboard shows are funny. I think it would be good for the radio industry. It makes sense. If you can win one, to help climb that ladder. Yeah, I just Yeah, for the podcasting stuff. I mean, there is a millions of podcasts out there.

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You're not, you have to enter yourself, you have to enter. So whatever you. So for the podcast awards, it's like unless you

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It's weird because it isn't like, I know what you're saying, Josh, it's this constructed award ceremony for people that actually submit an entry for everyone else. Well, I just feel the issue I have with it is I think I just I hate bureaucracy, I hate having to be picked. And so for me, the awards type of stuff plays into that it gives people power, which is who actually votes. How does that work is actually who's the people saying, one vote for them and you only submit a minute of audio too, and they and they sit in a room apparently, I haven't been a part of it, but it's one minute of audio and a cover letter, and they're basing it on that and it's like, what was your one minute, one minute of audio feature Keith Urban, because I listened to some previous winners from other years and they had great faith is the key to

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Winning. But now, they all had like kind of a big name,

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interview or something attached to it where whoever's judging, it obviously goes, Oh, this is kind of cool. Like it gets him from the start. We get a safeguard, and maybe we could try and get into the

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I got nominated for an award. It was for the breakfast show that I was on. Yeah, like, but I think we had, maybe you had Jerry Harold le will. So you had a celebrity news today, I think so. I asked Keith Urban about the middle part in his hair, and how he's held on to it for so long. But I had that middle part in my hair when I was in high school. What is it like a different colour?

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lines right down the middle hot. Yeah, you have that straight down the middle. I think we all have got him going. He's interested. He

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had that in high school in a 10. So middle part and straight down the middle. But you know, as you get older, he changed hairstyles. If you look at Keith Urban. He said the same hairstyle for 30 years. And that's almost impossible.

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Hey guys

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it's more like why

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Keith Urban All I think about is like straightening some sort of fringe that hangs down

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there's a lot of hair straightener work going on there is like too much for me and so the the podcast like I'm super interested in this stuff because the you say it as a site like it could you ever imagine doing a podcast as your main?

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I'd love to I think radios probably the right may chatting the radio people my audience will be other radio so it's pretty nice. I don't know what kind of downloads you guys get for this podcast get about 12,000 this month. Episode. No, no, that's per month. So we only we get about probably 400 or so listens. But we're being incrementally we get about two extra new listeners. Every single

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So we think about it. Like if we do this for you think about some of the big shows, you think about doing an episode every single day for five years will, I'm sure would be it sort of a long guy that you'll get to

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enjoy for 10 years. So I think it's, it's not a crazy long game, if it is the thing that you're doing. Yeah, for sure. So that audience so your podcast is specifically you can and you could understand who would listen to your podcast based on the type of content you're creating for a radio show. You can think about audiences the people who live in the surrounding areas of Gosford the Central Coast, it's like but you bet you are having to cast the net so much more broad when it comes to coming up with the style of stuff that you're talking about the top content you're talking about. How do you see that as you know the difference now that you've got a podcast that speaks to a specific audience, and a radio show that speaks to a Hebrew different demographic

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I'd love to eventually get to a point where I am doing a podcast which is a bit more broad than the radio thing but the reason I started that was to again create a bit of a name for myself within the the industry and I'm happy to specifically talk radio not get about 500 downloads per episode. That's 500 unique radio people listening I mean that's a fair number. Yeah, so I'm more than happy with that not I don't really do that for anything other than out of pure interest and and and love of doing it and just chatting to other people who are in the industry and then with the radio show each day, that's my outlet to to cover a lot of topics and do various things which that brings a whole nother stress in itself because a lot of the time when you gonna feel three hours a day, you're talking about things you have no fucking idea about. And you literally writing some article on the flaw and you gotta say I'm knowledgeable and know exactly what's going on. So that's something for me that you know, each day that when I get on the air and and and host that

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radio show a whole lot more thought goes into that. And I guess a lot more pressure on myself. Yeah, then the ease of recording a podcast I even with this now, with you guys, I have relaxed is it not a man because you know that we can sit here and just have a chat and talk about being an entrepreneur or the radio industry which we've all worked in. So the thought is there but it comes naturally. And that comes with ease. And I think that's what comes with enjoyment of the job and making it easy for you guys to do every single day. Yeah. What do you like listening to you, personally, podcast wise, just across the board? Because you mentioned you know, that sort of feeling around talking about stuff that you're not sure on? is do you want to be listening to people who are like that? I'll listen to a lot of other radio show replay podcast just to hear what they're talking about and what they've covered that way might have and how they've done it differently and maybe compare and go is what we're doing good. Oh, yeah, we talked about that today or all we covered that this way. So it's kind of like oh yeah, we're ticking all the boxes, and

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I listen to a lot of replay shows other than that I'm a big sports fan. So I'll listen to a lot of NBA basketball podcasts and get my in the NBA podcast but it's funny what you can take out of any anyone's podcast. Yeah, you can take a certain style or a topic or or anything so it's you can find gold Absolutely. Anywhere these days and it's perfect for just driving around checking in on or when you're, you know, flying somewhere or driving somewhere. I just love it. The content is is endless. And the great thing about listening to other people's radio shows is next day is that you don't get all the probably not best for me to say I work in commercial radio, but you just get the content, no ads, no music, you just get them for a specific reason of hearing the content. Exactly. I'd happily listen to someone show the next day just to get 100% podcast. I wonder what the live element of it. I think that's what keeps it alive. Well, so, Tommy and I going to the daily talk show is going live next year. Well, we're going to have

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Yeah, it's not going to start off every day with start off once a week, and then we're going to be doing video streaming and all that sort of thing. So the definitely, there's going to be less and less like, especially walking the corridors of serious. Yep, you start to think I like the borrowing from like, there's a bit of podcast sort of element to this. There's the streaming through the satellite, sort of like this. All of these elements, like I'm finding a lot of I got a Sirius XM, subscription, and I've got it all set up so I can listen to how each day now and that sort of style, I think terrestrial radio could really borrow from an idea of streaming. I'd love to say that here in Australia, man, it's you know, it's exciting is that you guys are at the forefront of it, especially here in Australia to be doing this every single day and racking up those listeners. I mean, it's going to be something that's, you know, you can say becoming common ground. So wallpaper might say you're doing a show every single day and think that's crazy. It's not really when you look at the

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This game of things you just building you know building on stuff. What's the ultimate dream for you guys? Where do you I know you got your big media company you're going to go live with all that stuff so what is it getting paid to do this? What is it? Yeah, I don't see. I mean we do this because we love it and I think you become highly rewarded if you do something that you love and and it gets good enough I think the people who are the you know, famous rich people are probably just doing something that they've been able to be great at. Yep. And especially the people who have lasted across time. So I think that's the first and foremost goal and we're just with what we're doing the many companies more about doing the creating the top of stuff that allows us to bring the most value in an exchange. The exchange is obviously money but it is what we do best telling storeys through video content and then this is just the cream on top Yeah, so video for us, like

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I was doing video 15 years ago when I was a kid started freelancing when I was 14 the when I was doing that it wasn't video hadn't popped, it was still you were burning to DVD and all that sort of thing. So we've seen what happens when there's platforms like Facebook, YouTube, but making video an option for brands, I reckon. If you look at these have to look at how many breakfast shows there are around Australia, or you think about the Dr. shows and then you think about the salaries of what people are on. There's no doubt that there's going to be some sort of transition in the way that the financial system goes within media more towards to the video. I think it's not specifically video guys, but I think that there's going to be

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essentially what brands are paying for his attention. Yeah, and brand alignment as well because if it was just attention, they could literally just pay Facebook a bunch of money for advertising and put their exact message

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But they say that having high mission Andy talk about their product hasn't an additional benefit. Yeah, I think that the future of all of this sort of stuff is will create will create a brand and an audience that will then go and watch our live shows, they'll be subscribers, and we'll be able to build on there. So I think so brands will come on board is that Yeah, so that definitely I think that there's there's a part of it, which is subscriber model. So that's a scary one, though, when you go from this free thing every day to asking people to subscribe. Well, I think that it's the the core of the show. I don't think you could charge for I don't think that it would be about what are the additional things that we would be providing. So for instance, saying okay, well, we could do a, like stern have their wrap up shows or stuff like that you just have additional content, which you would then be able to eventually monetize. Wouldn't it be great to get to a point I remember writing a storey about Ricky device was

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Di had I think, as a bare minimum, I think it was like 2 million subscribers. And I think that I charged $1 per episode, which is nothing per person, I'll pay $1 to listen to Ricky device, but going into the studio, recording it and putting it out there and knowing that once people download it, it's 2 million bucks. Yeah. I mean, you don't think about it if you like, if the benchmark is making a quarter of a million a year, then you're not. It's not that much. Like you're not asking much in regards to the media landscape. This like, like everyone in a metro job within a drive time is making fact and more than that, yeah. So if you think about it like that, I think that it's about being realistic, too. I think that the media landscape is going to be way more spread out. And there's probably people who are bringing home 150 grand a year 200 grand a year, doing pretty well. Yeah, and less of the, you know, 2,000,003 million for me

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I think for Josh and I, it's a interesting place to be at where you are saying, we're trying to build this as big as we can, with no thought that it's gonna make us money. And we've actually got the interest like it is making his money. Or I think when I think when you get paid money, you end up just doing the thing because you getting paid to do it. That makes sense. Like when I was in shipping and showing up, it was a reason to show up. The money thing was a part of the contract. So it felt like it was sealing the deal. But we've been we've managed to have that thought and the investment in it like we are. So as if we are with actually no money coming through the doors. And so we're just planning to build this up. I think people start people are starting to realise that it's not as easy as it once was. And it was never that easy. But for instance, maybe Gandhi at the peak of your career, you might have to be doing a podcast full time, a radio show full time, you know,

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And spots on a TV show. That was equivalent to what someone was getting paid years ago. Yeah, so the work is actually more now than it's ever been because it's spread out. Yeah. And so you have to find that thing that you do love, you know, so for us we're going to be making documentaries and, and the podcast will only assist in that and we get more out of that and our documentaries will get more out of us doing podcast speaking to people like you, then we would if we didn't do any of that. So it is about making an investment with no clear return on it. Yeah, and that's especially in the creative industry. There's a lot of investments that you need to make with no clear return where the success lies. Yeah, so if anyone would like to make a donation just go to the

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dolla dolla I think it's definitely I think the PayPal take way too soon as well. Right. starting their Patreon account, episode one. Yeah, and I probably spend 100 bucks a month in supporting different interviews.

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jewels in their podcast just through believing in this

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first bit of revenue for this episode right here

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if you if you were checking what we're doing listen to some of the shows with your radio background what would you change? What do you like I think you can check a podcast with a radio background because radio is chapter three minutes getting get out here but I get the songs on but that's what I wonder because I've been thinking about reaching out to some radio people, you know, people who've had very successful wins on the board. But are there universal qualities that you can take from radio and apply to podcasting and say obviously, it's not in I did, I mentioned the credit line, the credit line and all that sort of shit.

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What are some of those? How would you approach it with the instinct that you have beyond a radio person but a content person? for this? Very? Yeah. Daily talk show? Yeah. Well, the Jewish law mom was talking long wasn't a

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joke said if you still listening messaged me on Twitter, which I don't think I'll still there. But I think if you're interested in the people who are hosting between you guys, and I'll look at it, same with my podcast with the radio stuff, radio people, if they're taking the time to listen, if anyone's going, the thing we podcast is that they The thing with radio is that you're in the car. It's on. It's a easy, you take what you can get, but a podcast of thought about who I want to listen to. I've gone out of my way to put it on a found Tom out of my diet or listen to it. So you know, I'm invested in that. So the way I look at it is I never even put a time limit on my podcast because I think hey, if you're into radio

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You want more? Yes randomly as well you got to keep keep it random I need I need to extend the episode because who knows when the next one's coming? So I don't know I just I just think as far as time goes even when you guys said with the jewels last one that you felt like it was long it was over an hour. I didn't think so because I was always interested in the conversation so

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yeah, I think and that's what I like about podcast is that there is no time restraints on it but on an August if the conversation is still flowing and and that's all good then you just keep the keep the thing going. What about the challenge of I think that I do have a midday flight down.

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The natural the 18 haven't checked in chicken baggage. No, I see you just guys right on. My fiance on the floor. just pulled up.

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Outside taco day, if I could honestly I

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love this stuff. Yeah, what are you gonna listen to on the fly back each episode?

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accidentally some back to a lot of my people find this weird and I don't know if you guys do this but I've listened back to my Zika not listen back to almost everything that I do and not in a way that's like i don't i sound great. It's in a way that like my best my Ferran Hey pi 44 St Kilda. Yeah. And North Melbourne and every week I'd watch the game that Aaron Ryan found, right? Yeah. So every week, I'd watch the game back. And it's the reason I watch it back is to pick up on things that they could get better on next time. So that's what I'll do that a lot without radio show or the podcast that I'll record. I'll listen back and go and just listen to it from a listeners perspective and go, Oh, I could have tighten that up. Or I could have said that differently. And I don't know. I listen to a lot of the work that I do. And I don't know if that's weed or

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do you think it's the are definitely then that's good if it wasn't helping you and just listening. The thing is when I listened back to what I'm talking about, I literally can remember

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The thought that I was having at the moment of saying those words, and I can, it's crazy. Like I can remember my thought process around what I was saying what? The anxiety that

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especially in those moments Yeah, I remember stressing in my head about that when I was saying this it's always interesting too because it doesn't translate always to know what to do so I'll have a moment where like we did an episode in Los Angeles where that four dogs or going at once jumping on us and I just had a cold brew coffee which I found out after the fact had like three times the amount of caffeine is a normal coffee. Yeah, in fact, jittery and I listened to the episode I was like, actually, I listened to bits just to make sure levels are okay. And I'm like, it didn't sound nearly as bad as the class the fact that it was a lot of the guests that I have on the my podcast as well. They are minute so we're talking about myself for 40 minutes and I say yeah, you feel weird. But if you go back and listen back, yeah, now I can tell now I can pick up the ball.

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So I think there's a performer element in, in that. I know doing radio, I won't speak for you. But when I had to talk about shit I didn't want to talk about. There's something there's a level of a performer that has to come out to talk about, you know, the local hardware sponsoring a segment. like ahh bra. Yeah. Do you think I really want to talk about that? And so there there is something that kicks in where for me what I grapple with is it being genuine. And that's what I can't stand about some radio shows is like, you can clearly tell they don't want to talk about x. It is a struggle. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's trying to give maybe the audience what they want to sometimes you to cover off a whole bunch of topics. But yeah, that's probably that's probably one of the biggest things that I struggle with is talking about things that I might not be all that interested in. I think that's probably across the board, right, which is why this wouldn't necessarily translate to a radio show. I don't think that like if Tommy and I are

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All of a sudden getting sat down and said, You need to cover this and that there's your helicopter coming into a better

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virgin flight. I think that there's an opportunity with it within this platform of being able to do whatever you want. So we'll we'll wrap it up here. It's a daily talk show on demand.

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Got the headphones on

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here and

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I've wanted to come on since you guys kick this thing off.

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Someone has Yes, seriously, I honestly love it. I don't get a chance to listen to it every day. But when I say episodes that I go on, I know that person I'll have a listen. With Sandra Sally. Sandra Sally Episode 200. We we didn't end up getting her because what's what's what's happening is we actually are getting hair in the coming weeks. So we we were still in the year.

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Last we reached out to her we're going to literally do the show. We're going to get back and fly to Sydney to do it and couldn't get ahold of her. After we've recorded she said hi to my dm ready for the podcast will be on Central Valley will be on the end of the year. That's when you know you've made it is with Sandra Sally's slides in

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the day you can actually say Sandra, Sally slid into my day. That's a you know, you're gonna keep it up. Good luck with your wedding. Oh, thank you next week, next week. Not this weekend. Next weekend. Yeah. And I'm excited. I'm equally shooting myself at the same time because I get emotional about other people's weddings. And I'll write my vows the other day and I tried to read them at home by myself. And I welled up doing that. So you know, I I thought I was going to be Rick, and it was the complete opposite and my wife's so emotional and she was the complete opposite. It's weird. I think it's it's a they're like the build up

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And on the day is like, makes it less emotional. I know you're a sociopath. Yeah

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I'm more emotional now than I've ever been. Since you know I have a relationship with a highly emotional person. Yeah and being around emotional people like Josh but Eric and I don't know maybe you might you might surprise yourself that's all I'll say because I surprised myself massively. A lot of a lot of people say that and I'm hoping that happens because the last thing I want to do is be I will cry regardless, there'll be teased and I'll be emotional you very planning for you've got to

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say the bill, I'll be in tears.

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I going to enjoy flight back. Thanks, guys. The Daily talk show hi at the daily talk. show.com. Now that we're in Australia, it's easiest for us to actually get a male's onto the show and donate some cash guys they know that Yeah, dollar thanks.
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