Name dropping

Josh: Wait a minute! Crossface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Tommy: It's a Daily Talk Show 128, brought to you by, um, 7-Eleven car park.

Josh: That's where I— that's where I am right now.

Tommy: Really good 4G there.

Josh: It's great 4G, and I just ran inside and got a coffee. Fuck, we're giving them too much promotion and they're not even paying us.

Tommy: You know, I think we should give— we should have, given that we don't have sponsors, we should just mention companies that we like. Today's episode is sponsored by Quad Lock. Yeah, if you need a— if you've got an iPhone, even any smartphone device, you can attach your phone to a bike. I reckon their bike is one of the, um, the bike mounts, you know what I think, in the car.

Josh: I think there's like something about good people that have a business that then just, just multiplies your success. Because I like the guys from Quad Lock, but now I've started like checking motorbikes and checking bikes that go past trying to see if there's a Quad Lock on it. And it's, and so yeah, it's like If you can infiltrate people's minds like that, you've done pretty well. And it's an iPhone case, it's a mounting thing for your thing. It's like I've turned it into a game.

Tommy: Well, I actually saw one in London at a cafe. I got really excited. I was with a friend and I said, oh, that's a Quad Lock. And she's like, the bike? What's a Quad Lock? I'm like, no, the thing on the bike, the blue bit. And the way I was reacting, you would think that I invented it. But, um, no, the Quad Lock guys, uh, listen to the show and they're— they, um, um, we're sending them stickers. We've got that. How's all the sticker stuff going? The sticker promotion has finished. Yeah, so anyone who has sent us an email, yeah, we'll get this.

Josh: We've got a bunch to send out, uh, that's gonna happen later this week, or if not early next week. Are you— are you a name dropper?

Tommy: Um, I get anxiety that sometimes I might be like, I might drop a name unintentionally, or I feel like I do it because it's sort of— I never want to do it for the reasons that people name drop. Are you— do you think you're a name dropper?

Josh: Well, I think I've perfected the craft of finding the moment. So, I would say a name dropper is the person that can't help themselves. And will like just bring it out and has no filter, which I reckon you're a bit there at some time, at some part, in some stages of your life you've been.

Tommy: Was I? Was it, was it, do you think I'm there now? I mean, I did, I feel like when I mentioned the rental car story, I said it was Sylvia Jeffries, that was probably completely unnecessary.

Josh: Yeah, no, but you know what, I think it's actually, um, it's, it's not coming from a bad place. You're just like an excitable person. That just wants to just throw out so much information to give so much context about everything you talk about. So sometimes that's where it comes in. But I found, I find it's like, it's like a challenge. Okay, so where are you from? Oh, Shepparton. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And then I just work out a moment to be able to just say something. Oh, you lived there for a while? Oh, what were you doing there? Oh, thanks for asking. Yeah. Or B-Mac or Jules Lund or—

Tommy: I constantly do that. I know that is— I think that's different. There's a difference between name dropping and being a connector. And I thrive on being a connector. I was literally talking to a guy who's in Texas who does the support for the hosting we use for our podcasting. And we ended up, I ended up checking him out on Twitter and being like, oh, he works with a guy who I've made a film on. And then we started talking. Asked him about that, and then it turns out that all of these people I've made films on, he knows all of them, and we're going to catch up when I'm in the States.

Josh: I mean, that's, that's really when name dropping becomes powerful, when you can actually link it with the, the linking, the connecting part of things.

Tommy: It's—

Josh: that's great. Yeah, I'm big on that.

Tommy: I remember the one that stung for me was, um, I remember being extremely embarrassed. I don't know why I was so embarrassed, but I remember, like, I've definitely gone through a stage of being the suburban kid that every connection is exciting. And I think that it probably only subsided probably once I'd been at Envato for a while. So, even when I was at the radio station, I think I must have still had it in me because I remember there was this time where I was like, I'd started working at Envato and I'd just finished working at the radio station with Fifi and Jules and Sam Cav, who is their executive producer and sort of would look after content at the national level for the radio station. I went to his office to help him with this presentation that he was working on and I said to him, Oh man, you wouldn't believe it. The person that I'm sitting next to at the office is the sister-in-law of Hughesy. And that was about the long— it was almost like we had an ISDN line where there was probably a 10-second delay because Sam just sort of looked at me. He's like, oh yeah, and I was like, isn't that crazy? I mean, like, because I've just come from radio and now I'm bloody— I just can't get away from it. So, ah, that mess, it's pretty, pretty common.

Josh: Yeah, I— Amy, um, has told me before, like, she has tried— she's seen the moments. She said to me that you're good at not, not dropping in things when there's not— when they're not necessary, because it's like you totally read that wrong, right? Like the excitable moment to connect something and drop someone's name. Definitely wasn't the right time. Yeah, it's all about timing, but I think there's nothing wrong with it. I think if you— but I think, well, how many friends would someone who is of status have versus how many people would actually say that they're, oh, I'm good mates with that guy, I'm good mates with him?

Tommy: Well, I think that I already have a complex around, um, and we've discussed it. I I may meet someone for 10 minutes and I'll be like, we're best mates, my good mate, my good mate. Uh, and so, you know, and, uh, and so that's where I think that maybe with age I've, um, removed some of that and realized, like, like we've spoken about on the show, the time that I, uh, friended a guy who was a cinematographer on Facebook and then he deleted me a few months later, and I decided to send him an email just to ask why, which we still— I think we still need to do something about that. That was going on probably 7 years ago.

Josh: This is great. Oh, that's right. We read out the email that you sent him at some point.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he never wrote back. So, it's still up in the air. You still—

Tommy: It's really— I asked him if he had LinkedIn. I said, do you want to be on LinkedIn together? But even I noticed this with the Airbnb guy, right? Like pretty, I go hard on asking questions. So even yesterday morning, woke up, we saw he was out the front. We were leaving for the day, going to a lake. And I said to him, "Oh, what are you excited about at the moment?" And it's like he had an existential, existential, existential, don't even know how to say the word. He basically had a crisis in front of me. Uh, because it like, it was probably too big of a question to ask, and he really thought about it. He's like, oh, you know, yeah, there's a lot on. Um, I'm taking the, the cat to the vet, um, today.

Josh: And you showed him that good chat, bro, and walked off on him. Made him seem like the weirdo. But I've told you, leading with big questions. Yeah, what's the best part of your day? Holy fuck, I haven't even thought about that. I just need to take a shit. That's probably what most people are thinking.

Tommy: The best. He's a really interesting dude though. I think that what I can take from people is like, he's an anthropolo— anthropolo— fuck, I can't say anything at the moment. Anthropologist.

Josh: Mate, take a leaf out of my book. Commit to the fuck up, say whatever you want and own it.

Tommy: So I think anyway, I think his name's Bob and no, he anthropolo—

Josh: Anthropologist.

Tommy: I'm gonna—

Josh: no, you're anthropologist.

Tommy: Say it, Bri. Anthropologist.

Josh: Did I say that?

Tommy: Anthropologist. I don't know if you did.

Josh: I'm pretty sure I did. Email, hi, The Daily Talk Show, confirm.

Tommy: Yeah, well, we know when pronunciation goes through email how that goes based on Trevor Long's email.

Josh: Yeah, very true.

Tommy: But, um, No, but he's a super interesting dude, has a book and it like looks like I'm going to get on the Kindle and then get a hard copy when we get back to Australia, 'cause there's something cool about, we're staying at an Airbnb where the guy's written a book on Tuscany. He's like, and then I said to him, I was like, "Oh, we're thinking of cooking like while we're here, but we don't know how to cook. Are there any cooking lessons?" around. He said, oh, they'll all be in Italian. But he said, um, he create— he's got a website and he's done a bunch like cooking videos, so we're gonna look at them on there. But the interesting thing was, um, I just feel like from day one I was asking these big questions, and it took him a while to come around. Like, as we were, um as we had our suitcases going to our, to the apartment, which would only been 2 minutes. I was like, "Oh, so like, how did you end up in Serrano?" He's like, "Oh, it's a long story." And I was like, "Oh, this guy, why is he being so seedy? Why is he here?" And then it just turns out it was literally a long story.

Josh: Did he tell it to you?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. He went to, Yeah, I won't tell the whole story, but it was interesting.

Josh: So, what's his name? Lawrence from my office. Fuck, he was telling me—

Tommy: Yeah, Larry.

Josh: Yeah, he was telling me that he was filming a wedding the other week and the wedding were— it was a Jehovah's Witness. I guess that's their faith. Similar to Christians, the Christian faith. I guess if we're really trying to simplify it. But the point being, he—

Tommy: Like, really, really, really simplify it. Yeah, you wouldn't— Maybe you might be right.

Josh: Well, you wouldn't— Yeah, like, I mean, they've got their beliefs that are separate from a Christian church or an Anglican church. So it's like, are they a sect?

Tommy: Are they a sect of Christianity?

Josh: Also, they're a Christian denomination. Denomination.

Tommy: A what?

Josh: Denomination. The Christian denomination.

Tommy: Um, so can you not— let's just have a rule that we don't rate this. It's fucking embarrassing.

Josh: Um, so they have a Bible and they, and they think that, um, they, they're— they— I think God is Jehovah. And anyhow, uh, what's his name, uh, um, Lawrence was filming this wedding and he, and he kind of didn't know that they were Jehovah's. So you see the Jehovah's Witness, the people standing on the corners, and they have to rack up these hours. I'm very much generalising this. They rack up these hours of like devotional, like, um, spreading the word about Jehovah. And, um, you, you would see them. There's like— it's, it's a really interesting thing because they're in up where Amy's mum lives in Sydney. There's like a massive Jehovah's Witness following or church. And so there's all these young people on the streets sort of just standing around for hours and hours just trying to talk to people about the faith. And anyway, long storey short, he's filming this Jehovah's Witness wedding, Jehovah's wedding, and he didn't know that that's what they were. And then he asked someone, and then he worked out that everyone there followed this faith. And then he spoke to the DJ and he's like, yeah man, yeah, I'm a— I, I follow, um, it's— I'm a Jehovah's Witness. And he said that the music, because they're not allowed to hear naughty words or have parts of songs that are talking about, you know, grinding and bumping, um, and so he said that there's a— like, it's almost like a Spotify subscription service where they remove not just bad words, but like sentences that—

Tommy: Do they replace them?

Josh: No, he said it's kind of this weird mix. He was hearing it and he's like, I can hear that. So it's like full Nicki Minaj, but just without the sentences that make sense about, you know, what she's doing with her ass. And so it's—

Tommy: It's probably actually more like what I am at karaoke, you know, where— that sort of thing. They just like— it's just someone saying randomly.

Josh: But how bizarre is that? You— so there's a subscription? I can't find it for the— I've been looking for it. Not that I want to get involved.

Tommy: I'm sure if you just went on to Spotify, what he might have meant— can you just go on Spotify, um, and search like Jehovah's Witness songs? Like, play—

Josh: no, he reckons it was a separate— he said it was— this is the way he explained it to Lawrence— it's like Spotify and you pay a subscription and you've got all the latest songs just, you know, this thing. What was that?

Tommy: Do you know what it stinks of? Do you know what it stinks of? Songle. Do you think this is just what Songle turned into?

Josh: Transition. What was Songle?

Tommy: So Songle was, um, my old employer's attempt at a streaming, um, a streaming service. I remember being— I was just a junior burger sitting in this meeting as these executives were doing this big presentation, and they, they talked about what they were going to do differently. And they were saying how, um, there's going to be exclusive content that only people would be able to see from our radio station. So it was exclusive, but it meant that none of the other stations would be on there. But my favourite bit was that they were going to be leading with visual advertising on our screens. And so the question that I asked is, I'm like, if people are listening, won't they have their phones in their pockets? You could just see the executive just being like, shut the fuck up, Josh. Like, we're selling this, we've just spent a lot of R&D, we don't need your bullshit right now.

Josh: Who's this piece of shit poking holes in our business model?

Tommy: Yeah, anyway, Songül. But the other thing too about Songül is and why I was sort of rolling my eyes a little bit. Do you think it's okay to talk about ex-employers like this? I guess it's okay. We've got big media company. We don't need to be hired.

Josh: Well, if you're looking for a job, probably not. But if you're pointing out that you're a little shit, then I think that's okay. And that's what you're doing.

Tommy: Yeah. But the thing was that the reason why I thought it was funny was because Songle was a rebrand of a product called Anubis.fm, which was started by Sony in response to Spotify as a way to say, hey, we're gonna— this is a solution that's good for the labels and all that sort of thing.

Josh: Was Spotify out then?

Tommy: Yeah, so yeah, Spotify was already out. It had been out for a long time overseas. And because I had Sonos in the early days, I had Sonos probably 2011. And there was no Spotify in Australia or anything like that because I was working. I had a tech blog, so I would review these products. And, um, and, uh, Sonos had— I basically had this crack for, um, Rhapsody, which was really good. It was like streaming, like a Spotify, heaps and heaps of songs. But then, um, Australia released their first one, which was Anybus.fm.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which was specific to Sonos. Anyway, that was, Songle was actually just Anubis rebranded. And so just following it along, I was just like, ah, this just, it just stunk of we need to respond, we need to do something to be in this space. But it didn't feel like it was, it felt like there was a disconnect between my reality of what I'd seen within the space and what they were doing.

Josh: Well, yeah, it's becoming— I mean, yeah, I think it'd probably be a good idea to bring a whole bunch of people like you, young little smartasses, in and get them to try and poke holes in your current business. I was talking to— I was with you. I was talking to Jules Lund, name drop, and I was saying, here we go, that I was driving, listening to the radio, because we were discussing radio. And I said they hooked something. They said that they've got something coming up in the next 15 minutes, and it was a piece of news, and I wanted to know that piece of news right now. So I pulled over and pulled out my phone and searched it. It's like, you can't hook— you can't hook something coming up in 15 minutes in today's age. No one wants to wait. Who said it recently? It was like their kid was saying, why would I listen to— why would I— why can't we skip this song? I want to listen to what I want to listen to. So why, why would I stay in the car and listen to this shit? It's so funny.

Tommy: Yeah, I think— and also the thing is, I think that the, the weirdness in the position that I think I've been in is being a, being a geek and being someone who Like, I was 14 years old listening to podcasts on like an iPod Classic when— before it was on iTunes. And so, you see these like trends and then you see people who haven't been there at the start talking about these trends with some level of authority. And I think that that's what sort of get— And that's almost the reason why I love podcasts. And I've had a few podcasts over the years, but the reason that I probably was reluctant to, um, you know, to start one again is because I feel like this— there is so much hype associated with shit.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it's based on— and it's based on this timeline which feels like it's what— like takes way longer than what it should. I remember I've got a, um, I was looking at old files, and I had a USB stick from, um, 2005, early 2005, and it was, um, a website that I had to make in my IT class. And it was about, um, I said, um, podcasting, and it was like all about podcasting and how this is the future. And it was like, I spelled it P-O-D-Casting. But anyway, it was just, um, Yeah, I mean, it's sort of a bit of a hashtag brag of, mate, this is fucking nothing. This isn't new. We've been doing it for ages.

Josh: Did you have Winamp?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Did you use LimeWire?

Tommy: Yeah, I used— before LimeWire, I was using Kazaa.

Josh: Napster?

Tommy: But you would only yet use Napster. And yeah, I remember downloading like the Austin Powers theme song. For, um, um, off that. But there was also the thing with LimeWire is you would only ever download— I think it was LimeWire Lite, LimeWire Lite, because, um, the other ones you could get like a bit of, um, viruses. But I do remember with Kazaa, we'd— we got, um, ADSL at our house and it was— man, I'm really coughing today. Um, we had a gig of data a month. That's what our like allocation was for the whole ADSL.

Josh: Holy shit.

Tommy: Which is like pretty, which is pretty crazy when you think about now. But anyway, I, um, I went crazy on Kazaa and racked up a bill just purely by uploading because we were downloading and uploading because I was like peer-to-peer and I just had it all on because I was really excited. And, um, it was over $1,000. Our phone bill, like our internet bill, was over $1,000.

Josh: Holy shit. So I saw I saw Derek today who's been on the podcast, has the Scooter Dirty Shop, and he's actually— and he's got an amazing podcast. Um, he said to me that he—

Tommy: yeah, What Now with Derek.

Josh: Yeah, What Now. He said to me he went out on Saturday night and he's like, I don't know how it happened, but in my pocket my phone chewed through 50 gigabytes of data. It cost me $400.

Tommy: I said, Derek, 50 gig of data.

Josh: I said, Derek, there has to be an explanation for this. It doesn't just happen.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: He's like, I blew up at Telstra, I called them. Uh, yeah, I went off at them. I was like, mate, you've obviously turned on like some— you just got a new computer and there must be some kind of like iCloud. So his whole entire phone's syncing to the cloud or syncing to Dropbox through his data. Far out.

Tommy: I mean, that's been a problem with That's been a problem even with my internet here, like the tethering. Like I keep getting texts in Italian. I had to go, like I spent like 2 hours the other day working out how to sign up to Vodafone. Like they're, like it's hard enough fucking signing up to Optus or Telstra on like online. Yeah. And so I had to do it in Italian and got it all set up and then was loading money onto it.

Josh: So what, what kind of data, what, what kind of a plan? So if someone just flew into Australia, there's not— I mean, there's okay plans, but the internet's pretty slow here. What do you, what are you getting?

Tommy: So like the— I get, um, I think it was about €20, and, um, I get, uh, 10 gig of data. And, um, I use that within 2 days though.

Josh: 10 gig in 2 days.

Tommy: But the thing The— yeah, so it's, it's a fair bit. But the thing, my mistake was relying on that rather than connecting to Wi-Fi at any moment. Oh yeah, but, um, I should, it should be more. And so that's what I've been doing now, like we're talking right now through Wi-Fi rather than using 4G or 3G. But, um, yeah, it's, it's interesting. I have it— one thing I want to do some more research on is the, um roaming. So, like, specifically in Europe, I think the plans have gotten better now, so you can just get a SIM in the UK and then you can use it in Italy and different parts of Europe.

Josh: But that's not what I like, a universal SIM. Yeah, because you've changed your number a few times.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I've just been updating. I've just been going— I feel like bang for buck. My view on roaming is that typically you end up with like second-tier carriers once you go to different places. It's like, how often would you land in Australia if you're roaming from overseas and then end up on Telstra?

Josh: And so also, you're smuggling drugs as well, you need to change up that number.

Tommy: Exactly, exactly. I've got a lot of burners, a lot of burners. Um, we, we got a— we tried the Instagram, or you tried the Instagram feature. Where you can ask a question.

Josh: Well, I thought I should. Everyone was doing it. The function came out a couple of days ago, and I— and it was just like, it is pretty indulgent, just like, hey guys, you got a question for me? And so there's all these just individuals doing it. I saw one was just like, are you going to buy a house? It's like random, random stuff. So I just put it up.

Tommy: Do you know what? Do you know what? It reminds me of, um, a website that was probably the— maybe 2005, 2006. Actually, no, no, no, it would have been later than that. Might have been like '07, there were '08. There was— it was sometime in the 2000s. There was a, um, a site called threewords.me, which, um, it was actually started by a guy that I know who He lives in the US and him and I and a couple of other teenagers, when we were like probably 2005, we did a podcast called Teen Technology where we used iChat audio and we recorded. I can't find copies of it anywhere, but basically it was a technology show and we'll just— these teenagers who had found each other from around the world, it was called Teen Tech Online. But anyway, his name at the time was Shui and he changed it to Mark. But Mark created a website called threewords.me, which I don't think is around anymore, but it was bought by like a couple of $100,000. He was only 17 at the time. And what you could do is you could send people a link on your social media and say, describe me in 3 words. It was like played into all that stuff that we love. It's just like, oh, what are people saying about me? Like, how do people describe me? So it feels a little bit like that.

Josh: Um, yeah, I like it.

Tommy: And so we did get a— yeah, I was— I was just going to say we did get a few, um, we got 2, uh, 2 questions. We got one that said that was from me that said, curious as to how this shows up on the Daily Talk Show Instagram backend, um, which I then had to look at, and I accidentally added an M that wasn't meant to be there.

Josh: So can people actually see them?

Tommy: We did— no, you can say— so we can answer them if we— can you hear that? Yes, I'm just putting the— I'm just putting the microphone on it. So that's actually one thing that I love about Serrano is every hour the bells go off, you know, for the amount of, you know, so if it's 5 o'clock, it dings 5 times. It's so good in the morning because like I'll be waking up and we have the door, the window open out into the valley and we can just like wake up to the light. And I literally like lay in bed, I don't look at my phone in the morning. I'll just be like waiting and hearing the dings and watching the waterfalls.

Josh: What's the smell like right now? What's the air smelling like?

Tommy: Let me, let me just get up out of my seat and just give it a good sniff. Hang on.

Josh: Is that a fireplace in your room?

Tommy: Uh, yeah, there is a fireplace. Yeah. Um, it, uh, to be honest, it smells like nothing right now.

Josh: Is it fresh?

Tommy: Super fresh air? I'm a bit— yeah, no, it's actually—

Josh: it's—

Tommy: when I think about fresh, I think, um, of cool. It's not really— it's already quite warm. It's, um What time is it here? It's like 9 AM here, 5 PM in Melbourne on Thursday. And yeah, it's already warm. So, yeah, but it does get really— It gets not like people are smoking meats and shit. So, it's like got all that smoky smell, which is really good. It's like fucking Sovereign Hill.

Josh: Have you seen the video of Mark Zuckerberg smoking meat? And he did like a live—

Tommy: The cut, the edited one?

Josh: He did a live feed that went for like 2 hours. And then someone just went through and cut out all the times that he said smoked meats. I love smoked meat. The best thing about smoking meat, smoked meat, smoked meat.

Tommy: It's very funny. But anyway, so the question we got, we got two questions. Um, uh, one from, uh, Geek Evangelist, also known as Russell Keys, who asks, HSP or burger? What's your answer?

Josh: Burger.

Tommy: I mean, yeah, I'd say burger. I haven't had that many halal snack packs. In my life.

Josh: And you can get just shitty ones. There's too many shitty ones out there. But maybe they're—

Tommy: maybe I feel like if I was— I think that, um, I would prefer a chimichanga over an HSP. And, uh, uh, Russ Keys and I have talked about that. When I come back to Melbourne, we're going to get a chimichanga.

Josh: Very cute.

Tommy: Just one.

Josh: Putting a few dates in the calendar to have a few chimichangas. Yeah, far out.

Tommy: Yeah, I love a chimichanga.

Josh: And I'm gonna go pick up my son, but Tomorrow we've got a guest on the show.

Tommy: Yeah, we, uh, we have Jordan Evans on the show. She is the, uh, she created Mingle, which is like a seasoning, uh, company. Really cool. And she's done it in like a really sick way. It was awesome chatting with her. So yeah, that, that is, uh, this tomorrow. We did have one other question, which was from, uh, Testo— Testok, who asks, who do you think will win the final of the FIFA World Cup? I'm going to guess Croatia if they're in it. Is that a thing?

Josh: Well, I don't know actually who's won it, but it's, it's finished. England didn't win it.

Tommy: Oh, really? The whole thing's finished?

Josh: The FIFA World Cup. Let me just— World Cup, FIFA World Cup. Let me just quick—

Tommy: Well, my guess is Croatia.

Josh: Why did it— Yeah, uh, Croatia. Yes, Croatia. Anyway, semi-finals, Croatia. Croatia did beat England, so now they're out. And France, um, 1 and Belgium 0. So that was yesterday. So I think it might be— it's Croatia-France in the final.

Tommy: Yeah, I think Croatia is going to win. Maybe Bri and I should head to Croatia. We've been talking about going to Croatia.

Josh: Yeah, I'll go Croatia.

Tommy: Maybe we'll go there. It would be a good vibe.

Josh: Actually, I'll go against you. I'll go France. I was there when the soccer— they go fucking mad. When I was in Paris 2 years ago, there was some soccer on and far out. They just went bananas for it. So, um, like, you know, a bit of spirit, bit of chutzpah, and they've definitely— they're too busy on boats out in Croatia just sailing around.

Tommy: The, um, I reckon they'd go— yeah, it's very cool. But Bree, just before you go, Bree, um, has been messaging with a girl who is a model who modelled for, um, Bree's old company that she worked for, 'cause they would hire a lot of times for people in Europe and stuff. Anyway, yeah, she's based in Croatia and she's like, "Oh yeah, you can, I've got like an apartment that you can stay at." It's like a small little village in Croatia. So, we might end up doing that. That'd be fun.

Josh: I might take that up.

Tommy: Anyway, sorry, Danny, for the travel. Hopefully, you're not raging too much about my slight mention of travel. But it's a daily talk show, everyone. So, Jordan Evans tomorrow, she's a legend. And please cheque out the one thing with Mingle seasoning, which I didn't realise is how fucking big they are. It's not like a little shaker thing that you see with herbs. It's like massive. You get so much out of it.

Josh: Oh, I've been smashing them. We got given— you were going away, so I took the whole box. Shit yeah.

Tommy: What have you been putting it on? Veggies?

Josh: Chicken? It's this amazing chocolate one. That's like, it's like cacao. Really? Cacao. Sea salt, coconut.

Tommy: It's—

Josh: and you just literally can put it on ice cream or like, you know, cereal. It's really, really good. You'd like it.

Tommy: Yeah, I bet I would. All right, cool. It's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. Yeah, we'll see you Monday for a regular show. Tomorrow is the, uh, our chat with Jordan. Catch ya.