#090 – Cacklin’ Jack Post’s new job with Christian O’Connell/

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So daily talk show I'm Josh Johnson I'm Tommy jacket and this is the conversation sometimes worth recording we're at Episode 90 whoa yeah that's 10 off 100 correct and we've got this special guest jack post

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Are you guys kidding don t as a milestone definitely because I saw so you did counted 70 is a milestone we can't

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You can't as a Mostar everything's a milestone.

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So it's not just 50 100 hundred and 50 every territory zero on the end is a milestone old 10

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we've almost we've had guests on almost every 10th which yeah

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that wasn't deliberate but as a part of the milestone episode yeah

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thanks for joining like it nine which you were going to be initially it's actually good that you couldn't do at night it's a sheet number

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yeah maybe ya know if I did that purposely yeah I found out was it

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Josh has been hooking you

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awake that coming on he built you up yes

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I've heard about this we first started doing it before even asked me to be on the show. Yeah

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I think I think I hooked and then before I put it live I said jack we come on the show. Yeah and so for people who don't know jack post is his name. You are known as cackling jack from Hamish and Andy and the podcast now that they do. Yep. And came out with that

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one of the two of the highway. Sure. Andy it wasn't talked about before it happened. I was just laughing loudly in the background. And at first when I first started that laughing in the background I was trying to emphasize it. Oh you know I was laughing more than I usually would. Because I wanted to tell people later on psycho he that guy

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and now it's stock feel like I'm being a force I laugh every

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but do you think there is a little bit of that I record in the sense that when I listen to or watch like live streams and stuff like that the laughing that people are doing doesn't always connect with how funny The thing is that they're doing Do you reckon that when the mics are on there's a natural inclination to want to laugh? Yeah, I

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didn't think we were I mean I don't do this. I don't feel like I do this by I think some radio shows. Try to

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make a synthetic vibe in the room. This is really fun by laughing more than what is funny than what makes sense

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yeah I reckon I reckon I definitely pushed the laugh as well but not you know I think there's a different element in a you know a locked room where you turn on the market in the alive like it adds a

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different definitely it's actually typing in a live comedy show versus watching comedy on new TV yeah things a few uma you're more ready that you're in the state to laugh and wanting yeah you give yourself to that moment yeah

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and so radio has that's been like basically the your main shoe I sorry do you guys do much laughing on the show faculty we're not we only laugh at things a funny it's probably one in every five shows

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a little milestone in itself yeah a lot

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sometimes we get real silly and it's usually when it says Joshua not yeah more swearing council

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can we I don't know for a lot of cyber were in the presence of a fourth person today yeah it's true rallies here so it's it's like I know we're recording this to be heard by other people but there is a sense of being self conscious that there's somebody on the other side of the room tapping away at their laptop is listening to our

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phones on but listen to nothing and listening to us and he's the literally got the Mac Book microphone on and his boosted to try and hear

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us making the show.

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We are live streaming right now. Who's doing that? So radio is the thing that you've known for your most of your life. That's been your DNA, anything else? A few other things as well as radio What is it? What what are the things that you know, sort of idea do you think? What do you identify with do you think? I guess music Yeah,

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kung fu

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fighting

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street fighting? No, I guess

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I don't know I'm pretty basic. I like music I like free Yeah, the foot are you still doing that? So you also were doing stuff is and and yeah.

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was doing a podcast as well. But that is normal. Because now

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Yeah. on to other things. So you announced on Friday that you're doing this Christian O'Connell Breakfast Show thing eg Yeah, that's

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right. So it's ripe radio playing to one of the things I know yes the three

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well if you nice very things it's it's good to you. Yeah, I can't Why? It's sick. It's got its gonna have music on there. Which will be playing music and what was the other thing I like footy? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no problem. I don't imagine but who knows. So

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I read the

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articles that came out on the radio today. You're ready its head? I was gonna say the the radio. So who jerk website.

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I think everyone who has been in radio me bang one hand putting my hand in there and jerking them off. It's true. He's interested in this stuff. And that's where I saw an article come out about you making the Is it the move? What are you finishing up with the Hamish and Andy Ross. I'll skip doing Hamish and Andy podcast. But we only do it once a week now. So I've been of these men haven't five or six day weekend between every podcast. And now I'll go back to this working like a normal person five days a week, but will be added to the podcast because you finish breakfast. Right? Do not I am. So I'll be able to jump into the podcast once a week. And still continue doing Hamish and Andy and then doing this Christian culture as well. Because Are you guys familiar with him at all? Yeah. Well, do you know? Yeah. So now

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I remember the simulcast to that he and I did with him in 2012. Yeah. This

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is the first time I met him as well. Yeah. So

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they did like a Yeah,

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it's a similar simulcast. His London Breakfast Show or UK Breakfast Show, by coincidence of the time difference was under the same time, as Hamish and Andy

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drive home show. So we were in London for the Olympics in 2012, during the gap here and we broadcast in his studio to his entire audience and our entire audience at the same time as one of them.

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Yes, it's just like a radio gates heaven. Do you know? Was it like is dn or did you had it? How was it

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guess it was I would have had to

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hear anything he was laughing

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It was a was a bit of a radio cakes Heaven, I love the idea of doing it. And then a lot of the show that show became about complicating and deconstructing, you know, are we going to listen to your news or we have to listen to our news who's add who's as it we have you got to sponsor we got a sponsor that we have to mention. So the whole show became about

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all the essentially the logistics of running two shows at once. That's my brother gave me feedback on this podcast. And I said, Do you have any feedback you said just stopped talking about podcasting on Yeah, trust because I think we can get meta like you when you get excited about it, you can start getting really and I know that

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while you guys are both while I know Josh, especially you're a bit of a gearhead so you love your like technology and you stuff at the same Tell me on assignments just steroids

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easily talk about these Sennheiser votes,

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it was upside down projects defense and said I am the digital chubby yet. Yeah, the who I can't Russkies who's a friend of the Charlotte's not he was saying that he loved that fries but he said Josh fucking gets so excited when a new piece of technology in front of me oh yeah look at the little knobs on that yes go

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yeah sad it is every episode end up talking about you know the end

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it's not the equipment it's more about like the other podcast not all it's not even that night it's like maybe like might we're doing it Yeah.

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advised not to talk about it in the show. And

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now we're talking about do you think jack Are you a on the spectrum of Decree how geeky are you about radio and I'm I would be

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yeah I can't guess I'm a little bit closeted i would say i openly I would say not very but then you know i because I've done it for so long been in radio and I and I do care about it. I would say less about the tech but more about the content the content and like who's where and what shows are happening and who's doing well who's not doing when you're reading those websites I mentioned yeah I mean I'm part of the circle jerk

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time page

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hands right now you can't say it and the cuz i was like i definitely getting old alum and so I get into the tech stuff but I've been trying to listen to other shows all around the world. Have you ever listened to Howard Stern because I've been trying to get out to Siri like get a subscription through serious but I really lock it down right yeah but the most of us and handstand would be on YouTube clips so you know we rip stuff and put it up but I don't know if you get the show yeah start to finish every day in any way you can watch

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really messed up stuff I watched this one episode because I video it too yeah where they just had a line of blokes that would come Oh the same believable

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This is all said

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I'd walk up in front of campuses like a real live

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right hands down

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bend over and show the Hemorrhoids and it wasn't ever so all about due to have Hemorrhoids and I was like writing the worst hemorrhoids we're gonna have to

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take others to follow Board of things that will

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jack turnover

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do you guys do you guys do any stumps or any water like close this don t thing I think we do is using location as I would call that so we call it like I guess this is a pretty broad right at 10 but like going next level like what's your next level idea and you guys going to ship it and I'll go and Krispy Kreme order to do that next level idea yeah

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so that's the target looking outside our frequency as Sam Can you store I sigh I use that in client meetings and people looking at South Africa yes we do like So the example is it's like okay if you're on Fox and you want to you've got you know you have the listeners listening they're engaged but if you go to fountain gate shops and do a live show from there you're now reaching people who are outside of your frequency they're not even tuned into the radio but they're saying you when they can connect with you always Mike is yep

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it's a big word

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for you guys does Krispy Kreme appearance Shepherd in

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appearance thanks for asking I'm here is gone full podcast met

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someone who is in the radio industry and this is very true it's there are

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a domain

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it's about like noise Micah is literally I had people who didn't even listen to the shows but said are so you Krispy Kreme yeah on the internet it's like I think that's half of Hampshire any stuff that you've been a part of so true. I didn't listen to this shit that you were at the

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if you were running low something going on the athletics thing at the end of Clarendon straight there was something big thing you guys were doing it obey from there yep. I just remember the noise it created and I didn't even listen to it. Yeah,

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but I felt a part of it I saw a piece of video later on and I heard you laughing and and I had enough but it's so true. That video with with Facebook and Instagram, that video has become so powerful for radio because people I think assume they've heard parts of the show that they actually haven't heard of just saying on social media. But they'll have it gives people who aren't listening to this show a sense that they have heard the show and they'll say yeah, I've heard Hamish and Andy before Of course on those news articles that said that you are the producer slash sidekick what how much producing What does that mean? What does that really look like for

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Christians producing yo you got like, we all know that the producer as a taco is probably the most least respected thing from an audience perspective no one knows really what the producer does. Yeah,

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that

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goes for films anything yeah like

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oh it's so dependent the so in like what an executive producer does in radio is so different to what an executive producer does within film even when I went to the National Association of Broadcasters Expo in values Bray was with me and she has been working on the business as a producer and I said to her I was like oh I'll give you a we had to put a name like a you know suggested title and we put executive producer and she was just embarrassed the whole time guys be like you've got big Hollywood do pays like yeah all these top Hollywood professionals and then there's break films that a lot of the time money

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yeah she's trying and things like that but yeah so you because you would do what would you say them for idea which is the idea of radios it's just a few people in a room having a conversation yeah so from an audience members point of view who doesn't know too much about the behind the scenes their idea of producers like well what does that person do Is it just two guys sitting in a room talking yeah like

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oh yeah you get like we help get the coals on get invited guests on air so it's just like oh well you almost the AC It feels like some of these and the the geeky of the shows like Carlin Jackie O or a good example of a radio geeks show because they do get meta they have they bring in the producer elements and stuff like that and having that was my shining quite there was a shake white that we would have had some vision of that to be able to show but I didn't put it back on the shelf that's okay the know you so yeah these even with Christian O'Connell he's show is very much designed for the radio gigs because Richie his sidekick that was on his show at the absolute radio and yeah London How big was the show brother over there 2 million people yeah listeners whoa so it's pretty big and so yeah I think it was so producer wise I think there's a shift potentially that's happening where it's like as people respecting the process of things more so people like the behind the scenes you saying content on the side I reckon I produce it in my eyes is an anchor with a little bit more white good metaphor but in the sense that it's

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you there might be some level of steering and I think as a sidekick potentially you you do a little bit of that where it's like you're sounding board but you're also producing content you're actually a writer I think probably a writer is a better terminology and I

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just got you on so that Christian doesn't say pro pro Iran and fuckin

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just your they're just decide Barrick when again.

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Exactly. I think you're a great I agree with you Josh. I used to say even though my father was a producer on high machine for a long time I used to say I was abroad for that show because I think that more lends itself to what people know

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have book Pippi. people associate the word Radha with somebody who's coming up with ideas for the show. Yeah,

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it's a comedy term to write which I think is pretty well known yeah of writers within comedy. Yeah so

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I used to because I was much more creative producer on the Hamish and Andy show so mostly working with the content rather than working with logistics or administration

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that's why I like to call that roller right up but that's the same thing I'll do for Christian is I wouldn't be handling logistics or

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admin of just be doing the fun stuff which is coming up with ideas and

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contest 2023

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football radio and creative yeah yeah I

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mean creative I think and so you got rid of music

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right? Yeah that can fit in there yeah i think that i think that's the thing is that what you do within radio like radio is selling at cyphy can short right because it's like the 80s creative content that lives so far beyond like just the the speakers now

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all right hang on what's the what's the biggest idea you've come out with the Hampshire any show that I don't think it's not like he trying to take credit but something you're super proud of

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that tight credit? Yeah, I have. That whole show is so collaborative. So

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it's hard not to be able to take my finger out of any aspect to that five

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Well, the things that people would know and I'm not going to ever take credit for an idea and it's a whole state however, however, I guess the I came out with the first idea what would later become the idea of us being the three of us being in a band right? Which was Adam Lambert was coming and he had a song at the time which I'm gonna forget but essentially it was just acoustic guitar and and one riff on a piano I think and I said to the guys is like why don't you just he's not coming with a band so why don't you perform it with him and he play guitar. Hamish can do like I'm sure we can figure out the three notes on the piano. Yeah, and Adam Lambert end up saying no to that idea. But then it came back around again for Rob Thomas who, where he's where the ideas of originally started on air. He's a matchbox 20 guys from matchbox 28. also read the song smooth with Santana, which is the first song that we ever played, and Hamish and Ian myself as a band with Rob Thomas. And then the band became a really big part of the show, because we went on tour and we, you know, we took a tour bus up the east coast in Australia. And then last year, we got a private jet and zigzagging across Australia sideline shows. So that is one of my proudest moments. It's

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also because that's creativity, right? You plant something evolves, you have an idea, you sleep on it, or you bank it because it won't work, then it just starts compounding. Yeah, that's

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so true. And that's no idea or on that show was ever like it's going to be someone coming in and pitching. And guys, this is exactly how it's going to work. This is step one, step two, then you say that and then step three. And then at the end, we'll be able to go on to ban to Yeah, it's always just the seed of an idea. And if people think it's funny, then you take it on air, and then it grows and goes off in its own that all natural organic paths and finds its own life like that. It's a Yeah, it's an organic narrative that's built out through what happens on the show versus trying to reverse engineer it in the background and then try and Yeah, and I think that's one of the things Hamish and Andy always did really well is be honest, that that process, they don't know where it's going to end end up. Whereas I think sometimes if you look at Hamish and Andy show and you trying to recreate it, you go, Oh, we need to get to a big idea at the end, like a bet taking a band on tour and taking it around the country. But if you start with that idea, and then try and work your way back, it's never going to be as funny as if you just start with a small idea. And then try to amplify it wallet grows naturally. How

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good is it when you you know, have a color that says something that sparks an idea to then go after a pig that knows how to open you know, fridge door and still be like this? What happened in Shepherd, but it's like we did we put it out there. We've mentioned something and someone mentioned something about a smart pit. Yeah. And then just evolved. It's like, I always

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feel I did the best radio Yeah,

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but it's even the that's what I like about the podcast is the listen not to bring him back to the podcast.

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No bit the death of us the people that listen, it started like Derek who has any audience on Eric.

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Very good, Cole back and sort of local local content, which is great.

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The guy Derek who we've had on the show who has a scooter repair shop, and he built a podcast studio seek in his own diner room. It's got hammocks in the

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podcast from him. Yeah, sure.

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He listens to the show. And we've had him on and all these people that we've had on we have had on Trevor long, who was at two GB for years. And does all the tech scout invite as many podcasters as you can on to the show. Yeah, well, we're definitely trying. We're definitely interested in having people who liked having conversations. And so I have just naturally been listening to a lot of shows. So then we have that

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going on with that, though, always. Yeah,

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I think that it was just around that guests like you naturally have that community that you're still dealing building from, right. And you know, like so many things that we have planned because someone said are you can use my space

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for this show.

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And that fact it's like anything. You never knew that Hamish and you would be as big as it is when you do

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I've known you for ages. But I don't even know how you became a part of that what what happened. Yeah,

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so this is my 10th year with Hamish and Andy this year. So in 2008, I started working at Fox if m just as a panel operator into not Tom which means a show would come down the line from Sydney has been broadcast nationally and I was in Melbourne just making sure it went to air in Melbourne. And so I'd finish at the same time that I sorry I would start at the same time. Hamish and Andy finished HD so I would say them on that changeover and then slowly just started offering to help out where I could and if I could sit in their meetings or you know learn to panel their show as well and that's how I got involved with that show

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over time but it was or it was probably had one successful year in 2007 I think we're and it was so is it's already starting to ramp up and then the next few years 2008 nine and 2010 where you know it became one of the biggest radio shows huge we were you ever a listener that would call up shows Have you listened to shows and been a cola now, I never before I started working in writer I I know I just never was that kind of person. Even I enjoyed shows and love them and thought

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even if I thought I could add a funny story to it. There's just the type of person who doesn't Yeah, want to engage with that. Yeah, I that's why we funnily enough, we've talked about it behind the scenes of Hamish and Andy before that, you get a different type of person

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corresponding with the show on email, then you do the type of person who call the show. And we started, you know, in those in like 2013 14, we really started to use emails a lot on the show. What's cool during business branch? Yeah, yeah, we did a show called Happy Hour and business branch, which was just a one hour mini show. And we really used a lot of emails in that show, because it just it brought in a different top of listener. Yeah. And fast

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forward. You just have to purely do it out of necessity to right, that's how it started. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But now even Dave into the shows last year, we would still use emails as another tool, rather than just the find what's the What do you find being the biggest difference between pre recording and doing a show live

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live is just got a natural buzz and chemical in the air that it's hard to explain. But whatever, it is easy to use the chemicals that make you laugh, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It just gets you just get you a bit more fired up and it'd be more real. So you have to work a little harder and a pre record to get that and to make a space that

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allows you to go there, even though it's pre recording. If you I guess the the risk doing it live is that something could go wrong, which I guess boosts that adrenaline and which gets things exciting. That's right. Yes. Diamond. Yeah, I like that one. And then the other major One is through the immediate feedback of live radio. So you can ask for a caller who been to Disneyland this year. And then they'll call you but if you pre recording obviously can't do them. And how much of your how much of Hamish and Andy would be adapted depending on the types of callers so for instance, you've got the run sheet at the beginning of the show you guys pretty pedantic on sticking with that or would you regularly check things out? Give it give me a bit of an insight for people who don't sort of yeah

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I reckon we would we would definitely check stuff out but we would keep pretty well to the run Shay

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We worked hard before the show that's one thing that that show is date is work hard before the show to come up with ideas that we felt were foolproof. So they would work whether they failed or not, they would still be funny and there was a high chance that people were getting involved with the show whether it's on phones or

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online or an email would be able to contribute in a funny way so we we pretty much stayed with the run sheet and less

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something really spontaneous and fun caught our attention and then that's when we deviate from it. Yeah

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and because Dr. Show I guess is known as being sort of the opportunity to relax after a long day breakfast is sort of more topical covering what's been happening is that is that going to be a big shift Do you think for you having to do naturally keep abreast of what's happening in the world talking about the royal family all that shit yeah you

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know what but if it sounds like you've listened to a bit of Christian show is not a super topical show it I think it will sound a little bit different to what Melbourne Breakfast Show sound like where they are very what's in the newspaper Bahamian show, it's not like the hot breakfast

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where daily Yeah,

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okay. Yeah, it's, it's a bit more to be honest, as a bit more like what we do with Hamish and Andy Where's you make your own world and playing it rather than reflect what is in the news. But obviously, that has comes with its exceptions. It's, um, it's funny the job you have. And I've been there too, is like, it's public knowledge, right? So it's this weird thing. It's not like, you've just landed a job at a you know, finance company. And now it's publicized everywhere. It's just such an interesting thing. You know, like, you see him his nanny these real big celebrities now that have crafted about, you know, you're kind of at the back of that. I don't think it's, you know, you starting to make this name for yourself now, which is awesome. And it's a different path of your career. But what's it like, sort of, I know what it felt like for me when it's, you get this job, and then it's put out there and it's like, you're receiving this feedback. Had you deal with that? How do you feel about that? Yeah, well, actually said to my wife, after I turn on Friday, I put on Instagram that I would be starting with Christian and I got really, I was so surprised by how much positive feedback I got from an overwhelming response from friends and, and even people in the industry that don't know very well, who reached out with goodwill and congratulations. So I said to her, I was like, This feels so good. I wish I was announcing a new job like wake because this this has been an amazing feeling.

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And she pointed out that it's a kind of a rare spot where it's like having a wedding. You know, like, you can say, it's a great like, it felt great, but you can't do it.

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It's more engagement. You know, when you get engaged and site this fucking, you haven't even done the way to you haven't

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even

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done anything yet. Yeah, that's true. That's why to put it. Yeah, but you get

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well done. Yeah, great

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content content. Three years of very little sleep, or however long you do the show for,

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you know, you got the hard work still to come. But you've That's right. I'm already cashing in on over all the good feelings. Yeah, it does have a little bit of that feeling to it. Like,

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now I've got the adoration. And I just have to do the hard work.

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It's like the equivalent of there's a TED talk about don't tell people your New Year's resolutions for this very reason. because it lets off the same thing in your brain that if you actually did it, so yeah, sometimes

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that about like, if you're going to marathon before we even start training, you're telling everyone and you're ready. You feel good? You like cheese? I'm like, yeah,

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you feel worse? Doing the marathon?

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Yes. It's not it's gonna be painful. Yeah.

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What about thinking ahead for the show? Because I know I've been a part of two new shows as in CO hosting with your two new people. And I just know the the road ahead and that being good or bad. You know, it's like ups and downs of any show. You're annoyed at the co host. Yeah,

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how to use I think the one thing is just the unknown. Like, I've only ever worked on one radio show, which is Hamish and Andy for 10 years before that. The only thing I did was working community radio which is why why different because you got no budget, no resources nothing,

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nothing to lose. And that's

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very similar to ship it in that

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you should have actually just unseen I think that actually at

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least I got something since paying 70 now. Yeah.

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So So this is one big show you've had one Yes. I'm

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only worked on one show really. And what I saw I know that show back to front now what I don't know about Christian show even I can listen to these current London version of the show is really what it's going to be like. Like, he can't predict the dynamic that will occur naturally between us on air and what what the kind of stuff we're going to have fun with and play with on air is going to sound like until you go to actually some shows under your belt because the roles like don't just aren't just interchangeable, right. So just like TJ when you went from having candy as a as a co host having Stacey you don't have the same same stick it's like with jack what you're doing what Richie brought to the table like I've been listening for this Richie Richie is the sidekick is it that's right so Richie this so it's Christians breakfast shown in the UK but he has he uses these news ready spokesperson and he has this role that's a sidekick which is a section essentially he's co host but you know he's just not on the posters and stuff it's all going to be feeling standing into that role but it's not like I can listen to Richie on their current show and go alright this is what Richie actor who's gonna fly Richie I'm gonna have to be myself so I'm not exactly like him so the show's already going to be different from that starting it yeah it's

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it's I find it really interesting because I see the differences between Richie and jack just listening so Richie's this guy who you know they talk about he loves eating fudge things she loves what else is he loves it he loves them five got they've been talking a lot about five guys and enough at some other guys train he gets and the other thing too is he's not he doesn't seem concerned with calorically like restricting what he ate at all because he the what not not not purely by what he looks like but what he's eating he's like I he gets a thick shake and stuff like that so he likes food and then

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yeah thirdly i don't know i think that there's definitely it he plays in naturally I think to that sidekick role or that that relationship that you similar to an idiot abroad. ESL Cal yeah it's that similar thing where it's like cow for Ricky is an opportunity just to throw a few punches and even when he loves yeah and I was watching the comedian's name is it something car riding a ritual Jimmy

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Jimmy Carr from like a few years ago was on Christian O'Connell. And it was interesting saying Jimmy Jimmy Yep. To me. Just slamming Richie right like just he just comes in and just be like, oh you know, it looks like I've given you a voucher to this like food joint and you just haven't stopped just like this and I was like Yeah, well I don't know if that tones necessarily would translate in Israel I feel like if you've got a new UK if you're a British dude coming to Australia

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on Australian station I feel like that's going to be an interesting thing for Christian as well welcome to work out which

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seems a good Christian coming I had my you know everyone's talking in the writing I spices having a thought of something about it. Well, you're on the radio tonight. Comments going? Like what

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about the guys and shipping in

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your anonymous Tommy? All the gate. Just another reality as soon as I

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heard you're on it. I had a different tune, because I know jack Yeah. But

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I was thinking about my biggest thing. I've never heard him. But I see about an English dude on an Australian assignment. I was thinking about all the people, they are attuned to hearing American stuff because it's based around celebrity and Hollywood. And then I was thinking about an English dude on a breakfast show in Melbourne. Yeah, it

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will be interesting, I don't disagree at all. I mean, a British company definitely has its niche place in Australia and Chima like I mean, I grew up loving British companies. But that's not decided that every man on the street is going to be as readily open to British comedy in a British voice as much as I am I think it'll be interesting to see how people if they if they give him a true chance and and how they relate to the show and how they engage with the show as well and so is the you know, do you think that they you know, what's what's your role in it. Do you think? How do you sort of help that piece suburbs? Yeah, sorry guys, start with Barrick. It's a supportive role. I like I've done that for a long time. And Hamish and Andy which is just a it's a you know it is to be honest, as a little bit of that punching bag. Going back to that punching bag role where you, you, you saying things and you're doing things because you know that it's going to make them laugh. And they are going to have fun making fun of you. It's like

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a self deprecating,

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self deprecating and just and you know what you just putting out there the quirky things about yourself, which everybody has them? Yeah, it's just whether you choose to hide the Modi choose to let people play with them.

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So that I think that comes in a supportive role to give somebody else the chance to have fun with you and make fun and just break down those barriers a little bit rather than if I'm trying to play safe bat all the time and just trying to be never get anything wrong. So I can't be made fun of that. Yeah, it's it's a pretty defensive thing to listen to it. It's interesting how you even just talking about Ricky Richie, Richie. It's

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like he doesn't even nine really awful these things about him. Which is the fascinating thing about the job you're in. Yeah, so people can listen. Yeah, and even less. So podcast, I think people will be able to get a good grasp on who we are. Because as long form no break, we we pretty honest, you know, longer form where is right here. It's like short bursts. Very chosen. Yeah. And so and it's commercial, writing a su there's all these things you can do

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this. And especially I think in in comedy, you're trying to you're always trying to get to somewhere funny. So just sitting down and having an honest conversation like the three of us now is not going to be as funny as if we like pick on things about each other. That

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Yes, it's funny, it's catering to a different need that I feel like radio for me. Now. I'm not into it. Because it doesn't cater to that long form honest in elements. It does. But But law podcast is conducive to honesty. And you're standing a different perspective actually having back and forth about a topic not which can be done in three minutes. True. And so the way more patient to listen to a podcast. Yeah,

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and I guess the other thing too, is Hamish and Andy people use them as an example of, you know, one of the most successful radio shows in the world. And definitely here in Australia, the

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the thing that they deed was take a friendship and then run with that. Whereas within the radio industry, there's this sort of cherry picking of talent and putting them in a room. Yeah, and then saying, being friends. So you spent a while and

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a lot of the time actually, it's it's like, let's try and choose the opposite. So yeah, we got the person who's Taipei Wouldn't it be funny if we put Taipei with them

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a lot on file blow up? Yes, when they want. Right. Yeah.

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But more recently, I guess, trying to do the Hampshire nanny model, which is his two friends are allowed to be in the same studio at the same time. Yeah, people are trying to re create that. And it is tough, like you just done how people are going to what the dynamic is going to be between two people, even if they're both in their own right, really talented It doesn't mean that they're going to mesh together and make something better. So you When was the first time you met Christian. So in 2012 we did that simulcast show and that was the first time I met him

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and you know, we went out to breakfast I think after the show and

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had a chat and he like he's just such a lovely guy and such a genuine person that he's always it doesn't matter that you're just like, because at that time I wasn't I was a producer of the show but you know, lowly coffee running type guy but he gave me the time of day back then and I still always remember that

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and then now i mean he came to Australia last year so he was here at at here in August so I got to chat to him again that's before I even knew that the show was coming was a chatting to gold at that point was he I guess he probably makes sense so guy now that think about it he probably was because he came out here on holiday and I think he's honest about he was saying if his family liked it and if I could really all live out here but I guess he probably wasn't discussion with the station already then during you that you could be a piece of the puzzle and I actually knew I never thought but I actually don't know if he knew about the show because maybe he was just

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teeming first and it said might county

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jail. I gave a new and from that I think about I reckon he would come out here and then gone back and then put the fields and said Hey, does anyone does you know Is there anyone who would like any Breakfast Show? Well, I think even before that he would probably Iraq and his first pick would have been to bring his team right like, like given the the relationship that he's had, but it just wouldn't go right. Like having to British to come. Yeah,

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I think you could just transplant the whole show and have I mean there's four people in there for British forces a melon breakfast wouldn't make sense

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but Europe is a lot for him to give up Richie because they've done it together for 12 years

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it was clearing it though both tearing up on a on Friday on their large pizza he did his last on Friday yeah

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I did here but it's a heightened emotion I was packing tearing up it was also very hung over on my last show and shipping it you are you spending on your left right oh yeah

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I felt a bit emotional I was hungry you know when you get what was the circumstances of you leaving shipping it

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and I quit

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I was just down and I admit I me and she was living in Sydney and we're doing long distance so I noticed was I not this is not going anyway and

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I think you you

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you out

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realize she was crying you things but but I think I got to a point where it's like you literally I just here earning money now because you're you've learned as much as you can in this environment. Everything about radio, but you go to a big city. It's a new ballgame. Yep. Yeah, new people, new ideas. And so I was like I could stay on maybe a work but I looked I wasn't committed to the show. Yeah, sure. And I wanted to be with me so I left there where was I going with that?

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Do you think they would have been more opportunities for you if you stayed or do

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maybe I might have a narrative but I don't think I was committed to radio in its for sure. Hundred percent wasn't because I

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think you do. Yeah, you're similar probably to what joules was you choose land was always facing which is like you've got this platform radio which is the thing you meant to focus on. But there's this really bright and shiny digital thing that you toy that you want to play with more Yeah. And so yeah, I feel like what you're doing now TJ is like more aligned with like this and it's it's all of these things it's it's storytelling its creativity but it's not necessarily one oh yeah the other they all sort of play so the answer changeable

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if I if I got off you know, like if I actually landed a job in Melbourne or something I probably would have come back or kept going with it but it didn't feel right like I was thinking about those bigger jobs and I was like I actually don't feel good about that yeah sure. So I've done the best move doing mine but what was I saying I was going somewhere with that no

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literally jacket asked about your story you told it yeah this is perfect and I had something fact it's probably yeah How did you are tearing up it was tearing oh yeah

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and yeah still got

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the thing with tearing up is the like I've noticed of light that for whatever reason different things like I've noticed that things make me more emotional I don't know why like I've noticed like the last couple of years like I was reading Bray my like house ads as I was writing her my Instagram posts I did about a I was like I'm just gonna I go like like three quarters of the way for a new account and now wasn't crying but I was like like yeah and

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I was just like oh you get its own its own fucking Instagram is getting married like you met your wife through Hamish and Andy or through the yeah

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so we were in New York in 2011 I met that's where I met her fact

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finding mission and yeah

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no I like my 20s A Todd up in that show pretty yeah

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she's she's you for your family so now you've got to add that in your foot for thing oh yeah

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for number

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one of my hobbies I guess

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interests yep but obviously yeah definitely during the wedding I was I was like fighting furiously fighting back tears but in that moment where she's walking down the aisle I think because like it's everything at once you've done you've done really know what to expect as you've never done it before so you're all of a sudden you're in a moment with senses are heightened in every single way yeah and and I remember trying to think about the stuff you know so you wouldn't cry yeah

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right yeah and fully

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yet nobody's screwed up how we yeah we we try and push back on that so I think that also makes it worse it did there's definitely this desire inside which is like where it's like these painful feeling I suppress that emotion any suppressing any emotion yeah like where was I the other day Oh some way where I surely cream no good guess though it was you're doing a bit of to say that's a Christian O'Connell I'm Richie good gag because it's a bit of a it's a slight fat joke is a Krispy Kreme while we do it again, some fudge some more fudge. Let's go to a break and website. Ready I film there we got this breakpoint. But the No

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no, I was somewhere where I shouldn't be laughing and I started thinking about laughing a lot here. And it just like I ended up having to like real off every sad thing that's ever happened to me and hold the funerals I've been to. To try and not laugh Yeah, but it's hard. When as soon as you say don't laugh in your head

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it can get can get a bit difficult. Even let yourself go that having a kid he's full on you having kids? No, no, no, not still for least a couple of years. We just pushing it to the you know, far enough away that we don't have to think about it yet.

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And the thing that I was going to ask you about the punching bag thing. And young people do know these little bits of your life. And I think they know you. Is there any pushback where you no longer want to be the punching bag. So for instance, on Instagram, every time if you ever do a post about you building your house,

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you're gonna have people slam you bang like because you know, it's a context. My wife and I are renovating a house at the moment. And we have going very, very slowly. It's a combination of we're trying to do a lot of things ourselves and just keep running out of money. So it became a running joke on the show that I've been building this house for a year and haven't got anywhere and we still aren't living in it was still living my mom or dad been longer than a year now. Yeah, so now a year and a half year and a half. Okay. And we're still at least six months away from Bay in India. So I put up every now and again I'll put up something on Instagram about this the progression of the house and people jump on board because they've been taught or any fans of Hamish and Andy have been taught the acceptable reaction Yeah, they didn't have the narrative of what like it's funny that it's taken so long. Which it is funny but it just allows strangers to jump in and be part of a joke where you wouldn't you wouldn't usually say that to a stranger because you like bro you're renting fuck off my bed at the same time. I've actually I don't mind it so much in that it's like it's almost engineering because they feel like your friend because you were only say that kind of thing to a friend you wouldn't say it to a stranger on Instagram so you feel like you feel like it's it's okay I feel like it's okay I just feel like some people just get the temperature wrong sometimes and it crosses now so yeah they just don't really get it but I put that down more to their own skill in how to properly communicate bar in that scenario where it's like we talked about on high machine and a lot as well

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on it no behind the scenes is this idea of like play fighting and how you've how you fought with your co host on air yeah and they have a great analogy I think which is I it's oh I it's it's almost like wrestling like you make it look like it's hurting but it's near actually hurting the other person whereas some people then listeners or people who aren't as experienced coming in through actual punches and they don't know how to respond properly like you know they're not playing they're not play fighting you just they use like a real knife

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yes yea what I find interesting about radio stations and I've worked at Iran and Southern Cross so you know very much similar dynamics

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I are in for people Australian radio network Southern and they've got what kiss know what gold gold everyone wants to the mix a lot of places

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someplace Yeah,

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and then selling cars

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on stereo just like

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yeah hundreds of radio station you know Fox be 1053 and then the triple m network yeah

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yeah but I always found like the power dynamic depending on the position you're in at the radio station and I've been in all of them you know being on air being the you know Coca Cola boy What are they called straight time

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Yeah, just doing when you're doing video like Yeah, yeah.

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And so I mean I think it's different to an accounting firm a big accounting firm where it's like the people on as a traitor differently to the account managers and then to the work experience fucking kids straight team is I think most industries have their version right so you go into a tech company and all of the developers are on you know, 100 plus thousand dollar like you know, like there's a certain level that you know okay just by being in there you've been sort of high stat I reckon radio

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sessions different though because the top talent interact with facing yeah and so then there's this you know image around them when it's like a device and the business is more like a sports team maybe you

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were the people on air other people who are actually going out and playing the guy

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actually all of them

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whereas there's a whole staff of people behind the scenes that are also making a football team nipple team basketball team run that's the same with radio there's a huge behind the scenes cost were from sales to produces to riders to the people who are selling ads and and writing ads

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I think he goes are on edge in the stations to because you think about all the kids that want to be the jack post of 2008, you know, having to be worked, you know, doing some, you know, crappy little job and then seeing Hamish and Andy and then getting that in. And so everyone's trying to have heard the stories and trying to do that hang on around the office. And then the account managers are wanting to be eaten with the radio team. Nothing wrong with any yet but when you're a coach for when your water boy for an AFL team, you know that you're never going to be James hurt. Or like you know, or NBA.

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LeBron had you

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become the best foot forward in the NFL. I just hung around like, Oh, we finished when the team started around until I would kick me the bowl and then I kicked hundred goals in the season. Yeah,

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what do you think about just getting a job in a radio station and it took a race Do you think these limiting spots because I know some people are in like account roles because I want to be on a Yeah, I

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done like, I honestly don't have a lot of experience because I just even though I started with high mission and you know, low rolling worked my way up, I never moved outside of that shows. I also always had a little bit of an umbrella she me and allow me to progress but also always in that team. But I know a lot of my career path has been luck. So

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I don't think it's as easy to say just work hard in one bit, and you naturally progress to the next bit and naturally progress and so on. It's hard because I think that it's stinky doing too much of the you know, you're going to start in this sort of support role or, you know, I remember as a content producer as a digital content producer, the biggest slur someone would say is I wants TO BE ON AIR if someone said that you want to be on a you'd went a little bit and be like You know what, I'm going to back off

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you would never want to be seen as the guys want to see on the umbrella. JACK Yeah,

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I'd like to know what you think about going regional to advance so that's a common thing that radio stations will tell young people who aren't ready to be on air yeah yet is I bought on you go and take this opportunity in a smaller regional station and, you know, get your flying hours up and then come back because Shelly and dream it's totally Yeah, and it's like, but for some people works. But I guess for some people, it's just a holding place or something easy way to say to someone like are just going like, if somebody has a problem. I mean, it's the personal learning, it's the it's the best thing I did, you know, it took me out of being a personal trainer and having these other career and thrusting mean to the media. Yeah,

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and a completely different learning over to you so it was like, go and do it because it's an experience if you have you know, time on your side as far as how old you are, and family and stuff to be feasible for me to go now but it's

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anything some people take that role on expecting something

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it's like film school right and film school can be really fucking great because you can get a community you can learn all these things you've got this great structure but at the same time going to film school doesn't give you some sort of city that you can go and cash in the Hollywood and say I'm going to make films and just did all my homework I'm ready and that's the same with being in any of the regional stations you know anywhere in the world it's like just by you doing it doesn't actually give you any extra level of opportunity all it does is maybe you'll be able to refine your skill so you're a better version to no one like the the CDs of a radio station content directors and not sitting down looking at a at a resume saying okay they did they did this original one so that's good that's like that's just one I never got to go there's two people going for the same job and one's a little bit more talented than ever gonna go I will the guy who we sent over to dub Oh yeah,

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I mean he's putting the hard work so let's give it to him they always going to go for whoever's the best Not

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only that, but I I would say it's probably slightly controversial that it would play against you in the sense of like from a standing out point of you if you're doing if you if you go down the track of doing the regional radio type stuff there is a lot of people like us doing the exact same thing whereas if you're the oddball like what they looking for my guess nowadays is the next big thing the thing that's going to be a little bit different so if you're a comedian who's built up an open mic night and that's you know doing their own podcast and doing all that sort of stuff I feel like CDs would look at that doing their own podcast This is going to get on a scale so why do you think why do you think he jack

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What do you think I know I tend to agree with you one thing it does guarantees that you'll get

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up skilled so how are you gonna absolutely by the nature of it you're going to get a lot of skills that the other person has it but you're right it has no guarantees attached to the end of it what do you think if you if you didn't have the sort of the these next steps that you have planned with Christian O'Connell show is that what it's going to be cold by the way Christian Christian coral Breakfast Show I can be Christian icon on Breakfast Show will I'll put that in the description so we can SEO for it just to leverage everything that's going on right now appreciate the

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live yes by the way

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what how long do you guys here we go we're gonna go we're gonna go for another five to 10 minutes often yeah

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you've

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got the paste I hope you guys have used that I've used that before right when when it finishes tirade load or when do you finish in four minutes The great thing about paste day is it's all on the app and it's going to use a sponsor that would

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that was fucking amazing integration put it really can literally just seemed like a 45 minutes and yet but I think the jack if you weren't doing this sort of thing, do you reckon I, you should have someone who would do the podcast thing. How much is that on your mind and how much you listen? Yeah,

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I think I would have because I wouldn't have quickly

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gone to another radio show from Hamish and Andy because

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not because there's not good shows out there. But just I was a little less excited to do radio after finishing with Hamish and Andy Christian coming along with soda The only thing where I thought well this looks this honestly looks different to anything else that's going to be on air and I was already a fan of the show after first hearing it in 2012 and since I run a podcast at it from time to time since then. So it was only thing where I was honestly really excited to do it. And that's why I stayed in radio but I mean I really took six months off besides this Hamish and Andy podcast we're doing I haven't been working in radio yeah and he did fucking nothing because he has isn't built

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I don't know yeah

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I

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definitely getting that vibe Christian if you're listening on a fully ready exactly happy to be sidekick number two. And so do you. What do you what do you worry about over you know this this whole journey Did you even fathom went to the UK as well. That's one thing I keep wanting to bring up. You went there to hang out and have some sort of like, you know, tights with Christian was just to make sure that we were ready to honestly get along because I guess it is one like that dynamic is so important. It's one thing to go. There's two people who can capably do these two roles but it doesn't mean that you can automatically put them in a room and it's going to work and we still don't like honestly no one can say if it is going to work but at least having that week where I spend in London yeah we were able to just subside our own fears about it and go alright well I can get along with this person actually so it's not so big a junk to expect us to do this on so as

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much as you get it now yeah

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and so logistically like I'm curious when you go to see him for the first time Have they given you enough so is there no no no there was no financial sort of I

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hardly talk to gold FM ago when I for all before

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going so it was Christian who contacted me first

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and welcome back and forth was gone for a long time before he even bought gold into it interesting so it was like a hey he was actually pitching you in yeah yes yes that's right yeah so it was Christians idea to use me I'll try not gold idea yes right. Yeah

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How much is the journey that's the journey like being on the show is one thing but you getting flying over there it's I

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was honestly so

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especially because I send me I felt like a semi retired from right here in any podcast I say goodbye to it and you know, took out my hammer and started slowly Yeah, rocking that aspect together. But was it was surreal. He called me for the first time just before New Year's Eve. And I guess he because he knows Hamish and Andy a little bit for doing those shows. He was using them a lot as a sounding board for

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all the fees he had about coming to Australia like how people react to it and what are the other breakfast shows like what the personnel could be like to expect from producers to news Raiders to the sidekick role. So I have a Hamish and Andy thank as well for putting my name for it. Or at least if he asked about me then they gave me a good recommendation at least gave him your number which is that's right to get my number somehow I think that came through Andy but you know he's taking 10% if you do

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any lead management

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and so and what would you say to people who he this journey and feel like they're at the beginning that 20 years 20 years old there they they're doing the the paneling for a national show and there and you know, some other other part you know what really interesting I like I just I just don't know what the best advice to give me is because I guess my head goes to just get as much time and experience as possible which is is goes back to that regional

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or even even community radio advice which is just go and do Sean's in a frame. It doesn't matter if no one's listening to it. If you do it every day of the week for three months, then you're going to get experience No matter how much you put into it or not. But I personally black even though I did do community radio. I didn't

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like I didn't work as hard as some people who really like putting the effort in, went to regional stations and and really slugged it out. I always had a little bit of an attitude. Like I was happy to leave radio if my time naturally came to an end. Yeah, and I didn't want to outstay by welcome or for something that didn't seem natural. And I got very lucky that I came across a show that I jailed really well with, which was Hamish and Andy so I was I able to stay for a long time but if I I didn't grow up loving radio as a kid and have my heart set on being a radio announcer so I was happy to pull off a little bit yeah, and and it's true it doesn't mean I don't love radio. Yeah, I do. Absolutely love it. Yeah,

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it's a different journey. Right? And I think maybe people get stuck in like okay because the other thing to which I respect is you've been willing to play second fiddle for a long time like you and you're happy like even within this role, it's aside it's you know, a sidekick role. So you're you're able to sort of you know, do you think you know, put your ego aside That's right.

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Like I think someone with more ambition could have taken the first couple of years I have

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traction I had on the Hamish and Andy show and run with it as far as I could

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whereas I was I was happy to settle into it yeah and I guess I just am fortunate that I had that perfect balance of I've I loved it and wanted to keep doing it but I didn't want to be a world beta and go out and and demand that I was gonna be the next and answer next big thing and right yeah and that's how I've been able to have some what have a long career

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just playing second fiddle

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sad music is just come up but

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I like it honestly a place in my personality I don't want to be I'm not very attention seeking I don't want to pay out the front waving and saying this is all about me this is all about me I'm much

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lay that out to Tommy and I

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don't even put me in the description of this

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meet my voice

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it's a daily talk show everyone thanks jack for coming into Tommy's office and I doubt will leverage what you're doing as soon as the show comes

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after May June June June four is when it's for us when the first yeah first on air day which is the everybody else's every other radio shows holidays which is really the survey like also our hundredth episode with

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June 4 so we'll be yeah so we went live stream it because we obviously don't want to sort of clash with anything he said you should all the three of you should listen to some of the show and then give me feedback we do a car cost

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I mean that's huge. That's a huge opportunity for Christian Bowe

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