Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the drone squad.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We're committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:11] who it in the calendar,
Josh Janssen: [00:00:13] just like to check the temperature in the room. I told
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:15] you my squeegee story.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:19] It's the daily talk show episode 965. Happy to
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:24] be Tuesday. How are
Josh Janssen: [00:00:25] we everybody? I'm really glad that you've, um, Really gotten
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:29] on board. Uh, should we do choose Tuesday now or save it to the end? What do you feel like? No, let's do it now. I think that is the stupidest question. These like bringing out a cake to a child and saying, would you like to wait until after dinner?
It's your choice? Would you like chewy net? Would you like cake now or after dinner? Yes. You know, the answer is always after afterwards. Can I
Josh Janssen: [00:00:49] also say that we've currently drinking out of. Wendy's cups. Yeah, but you're, you're drinking out of your camcorder club mug as well. Uh, but Larry from Kentucky.
Hooked us up with a bunch of these cups. Now I can confirm that
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:08] Tommy is the superior water drinker in the office. We did a, there was a four of us and we did a sculling competition of water.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:18] Congrats. Thanks bro. But we, but we, uh, we, the daily talk show cups, which will go beautifully. Alongside the Wendy's cups.
If you are in Kentucky, please go to any, Wendy's not sure which ones Larry looks after, but yeah, just go to any of them.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:36] Say Larry century, as we've always said, support big business and also support a big cup company.com, which is where you can, um, yeah, it puts, you sort of put the feelers out there to get one of these big cups that we have coming in about 17 weeks, because you sent a message.
You've been saying they could be here like every day. And then all of a sudden you send a shipping notification. Our, our fucking cups are in Compton. California. Yeah. The docs.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:04] Yeah. I didn't realize as
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:06] you chose shipping, it's funny people say shipping it's air freight half the time. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:12] That's how we got such a good cost on them.
They, um, and because they weren't giving many details as well. It just kept saying on road, on road, on road, like every hour, it would give me a notification on route. And so I was like, this has got like how many. Yeah, places as this are these cups going to, and then I got a proper one through DHL IHL, which said going into container and sorry, it's leaving Compton.
I then looked up. Have you ever looked up how far something takes via ship?
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:46] I would say from California too.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:50] Yeah. They said that like the, what I could find was it like a bunch of random like Korea companies or whatever, and it's like, ah, Expect to wait up to 45 days. Oh, wow. So intentionally, so
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:01] we will have hopefully before episode 1000.
Yes. Wow. I'll be fine. Anyway, so I got a text message from Ben Fordham. Uh, last week it was always a good thing. Yeah. It was a photo of some goodies and it's, and it was just chewy galore, like on a, on a, on a desk. And he said coming from Hasum. And has him. He is the owner of Redford, the greatest convenience store in the world.
Redfern convenience store. He's an entrepreneur like no others, no other. He's a, he's a, he's a quickie Mart, entrepreneur. Like he has the best
Josh Janssen: [00:03:39] convenience. It's yeah, it feels like it's more than a, a quickie Mart. Well, I mean, Wiki, it feels
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:46] really a brand quick shop. Well,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:49] this is like, it's a, it's more convenient than it is quick.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:54] Definitely. He, I feel like he's gone rogue on a, um, he's got some sort of franchise and then gone so rogue and it's now just become its own thing. I don't think that's what happened. We had him on the shark. It's a convenience store on the corner in Sydney, in Redfern, a suburb called Reverend and. It has everything imported Cheetos, uh, cereal, LaCroix, LaCroix, um, all different types of drinks, proteins, like it's full on.
It's the place you want to go and you wouldn't think it would be there, like in a place like that. But mate, Josh, can you
Josh Janssen: [00:04:28] film? Yeah, sure. We also did a, we did an episode from the convenience store. So if you just type in the daily talk show, convenience store into Google, you will find
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:39] it it's called SEO.
Anyway. Um, Ben Fordham has sent that through and he's and I said, mate, this is the best. Thank you. Got the tracking number. Josh said, thanks, Matt. So pumped, Ben said, I know chewy chews day is on life support, so I wanted to send some oxygen. And so anyways, here we go. I'm going to unbox it. I actually don't have any, um, Any, uh, Oh, he's really done a good packing job.
He knows no knife. I've got a case here. Perfect. So today what we're doing, cause I, I actually own this secret. Now
Josh Janssen: [00:05:14] you're renting it. You own it. As much as the media owns from their Facebook page, it could be taken by beer, big business mate. Right? I can
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:24] already. Smell it. Oh yeah. There you go. Redfern convenience store.
That's it. One 52 Redfern street. Okay. We're opening this up. Oh, he packs well and he packs in some nice, um, You know, it's just as Piper next Australian census to count nonbinary sex. This is good. You get your two he's and you're getting formed. Yeah. Okay. So I'm opening up. Oh, that's it's just under a cuter.
It was like I'm at,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:53] Oh my goodness. It smells like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:57] it smells like I'm at the Melbourne show. Can I pick a color? Yeah. Pick your color. Purple. Okay. Um, so I'm going to first come out and say, are we counting these which aren't necessarily chewing gums as part of chewy, Tuesday, it's called it's called high twos.
And I I've eaten these before. Versus something like this, where it's a, it's called drive gum energy gum with caffeine and granite. I mean, you don't want to get fired up
Josh Janssen: [00:06:31] on this. Yeah. I could have that before. I'm getting fired up. What one do you want?
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:37] Uh, Oh, my
Josh Janssen: [00:06:40] we're doing this jelly belly. Very cherry.
Gum has it got sugar in it just had a
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:46] cat, very cheery naturally and artificially flavored. Sugar-free gum, dude. I'm all about this. All right, let's do that. And they're in like a, um, I feel like I'm on nicotine gum.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:57] Yeah. They're in those sorts of like little, uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:59] Allie minimums sort of thing. A little push out.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:03] Yep. Okay. Thank you.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:08] Let's go into the ground, but this is mate. Hasn't been for them. Thank you. There were so many good flavors. So smelling
Josh Janssen: [00:07:18] the smells like a, um, a pharmacy in the U S
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:22] or as we say, it smells like asthma, which
Josh Janssen: [00:07:27] smells good. Doesn't it? Oh, it's got a real share it. Like it's, um, cherry flavor, asthma.
Okay.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:36] Hmm. I'm about that. Hmm. Dave like Dr. Pepper eddies, like Dr. Para pepper gum form. This Ben Fordham. We've
Josh Janssen: [00:07:50] got oxygen. Yeah. I'm feeling I'm. We've got asthma. Well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:56] I need a Ventolin
Josh Janssen: [00:07:56] puffer. 12 pieces. Yeah. Very good. Um, thank you. Uh, has, um, Uh, from the world's greatest convenience store
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:05] Redfern, we literally have a year's worth of chewy, Tuesday segments.
And the problem will be, I think, I think the fair thing is it's free. It's, uh, it's free game, whatever you say. Um, when, when one's opened refinish them it's done, but we can't open any that haven't been done on the show. So it starts on the show. Then if you want to be a peak and smash six after this. Cast up.
Yeah. Thank
Josh Janssen: [00:08:32] you. That's some lovely messages from a yesterday's episode. Hm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:38] So,
Josh Janssen: [00:08:42] um, yeah, so we did a whole episode about, uh, the changes of the show what's been happening behind the scenes. We tried to be as honest as we could be.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:54] Yeah. And it, and it's not because we're, we're not honest usually, but. One thing we didn't say on that show was started this year, before we started back doing the show.
Um, we were sitting in the studio before it was put back together because we finished the year doing some client work and we had to pull out all of our gear because we needed to put it all into a production that we had on for our business. Full-stack films, big, many company to everyone you want to go for.
Um, and we were S you were lying on the ground cause. I did. I
Josh Janssen: [00:09:27] actually don't really remember this.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:29] And so it started upstairs and then it just sort of came downstairs and, um, and then we were chatting about what we want to talk about this year. And, uh, I think in, in, um, yeah, I think we were looking at, you were definitely thinking about how, how much do you want to share?
Of your personal life. Like you'll always shit. You have to share. Anything you talk about is personal to you because it's your experience first person, but it's about some of the private things. I think also conquering Christmas.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:05] We haven't talked it can we quickly, before we go on, can we talk about the client shoot that we had yesterday and the clients have a monitor?
And so they've got your iMac. Yeah, we used
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:18] my iMac, whatever it is, 27 inches, a client monitor to see the video being pushed through to where the
Josh Janssen: [00:10:24] client could watch the video that we'll filming. Anyway, did you know, Jess came up to me during the shirt and she said, Hey, just so you know, Tommy's I'm messages are appearing.
Uh, on his computer so the clients can see the messages. And so I like, because Jess had just messaged you because they're sort of, you know, 15 meters away behind the curtain or whatever. And, uh, And Jess had messaged you about, Oh, could we get a pickup here or whatever? Yes. Yes. Did she tell you at that point that that had happened?
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:56] I'm just looking at my messages. Um, I can't see, but I know she did tell me that. I think she whispered in my ear, your messages that are coming through your phone are showing up on the client monitor. And so I was like, yeah, sure. I forgot about it. I was like, yeah, I'll get to like hectic day shooting. So I was going to go fix it.
And
Josh Janssen: [00:11:15] anyway, uh, Amy. Your wife sends you a message
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:21] and says, she said to me, um, love you, darling. You smelled so sexy this morning, which is an unusual message for her. Like it was true. It was true. I smell good. I walked in and I had just, my mum bought me this. Uh, this aftershock, this cologne, and she's like, Oh my God, I got to fucking, I've got an amazing deal on it.
Turned out. She'd bought me the aftershave, not the. Not really. So there's a difference. One's like more watering. You rub it. I didn't realize that, but it was half the price and I hadn't used it and now I'm all about it every morning. Anyway, so I did do that and I walked in, I Kista goodbye. It was 5:30 AM, but to get in an Uber, to come to the shoot and, um, and she did even say you smell lovely.
And so. You know, I gotta go. I gotta go in first. And so it was nice that she'd followed up. Maybe when I start putting in effort, I will get more messages like that. But then the client said after it was like, nice to know that. Yeah. Well I think she smelled them. I'm just glad it wasn't anything else. Yeah.
I've got nothing to hide. I'm not trying to hide
Josh Janssen: [00:12:33] anything. And so anyway, on sharing insight, mature, we are otherwise I'm can be I did it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:37] Yeah, I've got it. Cause I'm going to pick that up. I'm gonna pick it up. Um, Oh, it goes white.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:43] Uh, yeah. On the different sharing stuff. I think just even the design of the shower.
If you think about it, we've had sort of different types and formats of the show. Some of them have been deep dives with guests. Uh, others have been just you and I chatting. Yeah. Well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:02] we went and did it. We did a month of the show where we did. Like how many guests? I mean, the times where we did go away and we did 20 guests in a month, but like, there was a time where we like five
Josh Janssen: [00:13:15] days there would be guests every single day.
We ramped
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:19] that up. And the internal workings of a show, if you didn't like the sound of that, We think that that does, I don't ever know. Like we're thinking that will be more interesting to people. Yeah. And then you find out based on numbers that it's not more interesting, like it's not connecting or engaging more than when you have you.
And I have just been, you know, shooting the breeze. But the thing
Josh Janssen: [00:13:39] is, I think that not everyone will, will say whether they like something or don't like something. So we'll, we won't even realize like half the changes that we've made. We haven't even realized that we've made them. They've just happened slowly over.
You know, a long period of time that it can, you can sort of, I didn't even think that we were actively saying outside of. Uh, the Mason thing, which the reason when you're dealing with individuals in your work, like it's a different kettle of fish. So I can be as honest as I want about things, you can be as honest as you want about things, but we have a responsibility with the people around us, around what we share of them.
So that's like with Amy and Bri, what we share, sometimes we go over the line with that. But that's what you get to do, you know, in a relationship. Yeah. But so I think that, that was like, I don't think we've actively ever being basically, well, we'll sort of be dodgy facts about something, but, um, some lovely emails.
We got one from Nellie. She said, hi guys. I just wanted to thank you for today's episode. I'll be honest in my below remarks and hope. I convey them in the right way. Recently, following the changes you have made, I was feeling really disconnected and did not understand how you could make changes that were clear to us grants, but seemed you were just trying to ignore the changes you would made.
I guess that is a kind of previously sharing so much with everyone. I was thinking over the weekend, I wouldn't expect Woolies. To explain why they change their shops at set up. So why do I expect you to explain
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:18] yours? So I will say on that point nearly I've walked around Woolworths after they've changed it, thinking these fucking dogs.
Yeah. Just all kind of fun shit.
Josh Janssen: [00:15:27] Um, and then also shop to shop. Let's just have some consistency that, you know, I think I needed to look at things more as a business. Then as a friend, a friendly, a friend relationship. Because let's be honest, even if you don't know me, you kept me sane during COVID and became my friends anyway, with all that aside, I truly appreciate your honesty in today's podcast, even though you didn't owe anyone an explanation.
I think it was great to remind us all you are in fact, a business and need to do what is best for you guys. Anyway, unsure. If my is rambling. Uh, ramblings make sense all the best. Nelly. Thank you, Nelly.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:06] Thanks Nelly. That's that's nice. And
Josh Janssen: [00:16:10] so, yeah, I think that this was, uh, yeah, across the, across the board.
It's it's hard like decisions. Yes. Send us an email. And she said, when are you guys going to do live again? And the interesting thing is that it has never been a big decision. Like we're not doing live anymore. It just ends up being a bit of a, um, A practical thing. So as we started to do more things and had more projects on, we couldn't be as consistent with our timing.
We weren't, it was actually really easy when we were doing it remotely to say, Oh, we'll just Chuck it live at the same time, because we had to sort of, we had all the texts set up anyway, whereas in studio it's a little bit different.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:52] Yeah. And, um, Ian Gronk and also emailed through. He said, I think it's, uh, amongst other stuff, lovely stuff.
He's he? Um, he said, I think it's probably one of the most important episodes you've released. I know I was quite sad and confused with the news that Mason was no longer around which the first time he heard this, his main speaker, now that. It was on Instagram and we'd written something that you could, you know, gave some of the times sort of read through the decision making.
But then the episode yesterday was really talking about. That in detail. And he said he was such a, such a big part of TDTs love watching him grow and the crazy stuff you used to put him through that he said yes to, that was the best thing. That's why he loves him because he was the guy that would say yes, but probably not that comfortable about it.
And that's exactly, and that's where he grow. He said he'd like to thank us for yesterday's episode and explaining what life has been like for BMC. It's easy to forget that the main priority for you guys is running. The big main company making the business a success. So it's easy to forget that there's next to no money in podcasting.
Um, yeah. It's, it's interesting. Cause it's yeah, like, I mean the thought of, I definitely felt the sense of we weren't talking about it, but that was. Uh, that was the re the reason for not talking about it because we needed to make sense and actually talk about it properly. How much have we talked about just off the cuff and it probably.
Hasn't we're forming thoughts as we speak about many topics. That's the beauty of the podcast. It's also the downfall. If you wanting to have clear communication about a specific area, but I
Josh Janssen: [00:18:39] think that the other think is so we used to do, I think there was a time where we were doing heaps more in regards to sort of, what would you call it?
Story arcs or things within the show had more things going. But I think for me, Uh, what I really like, I would create a, like, make a lot of promises. Many of them wouldn't happen. And so I think that the other thing that happens is you get a little bit not worn down, but you call your own bullshit around promises and say, you know what, like what people say is, unless you're gonna fucking do this thing, don't mention it, which is the hot position to be in because then.
So if this was, you know, uh, uh, young Gronk and Harry happy Harry, uh, texted and said, Hey, if you, um, are you going to fly a virtual plane on episode 1000? Like you spoke about a while ago, I'd forgotten. It sounds like
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:33] a dumb idea,
Josh Janssen: [00:19:36] but for it to be fun. And so anyway, um, Yeah. Th th there was a bunch of those where I was like, if you think about it, there were the clubs, that book club, the adventure club, their life hack club, uh, they were heaps of fun.
We didn't necessarily have the momentum, the energy, the time the interest to do with the things all the time. I did bike
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:58] ride. You did one book club and a nice Dell up a bunch of, uh, life facts. Yeah. Um, that's a, that's a fulfilled promise.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:08] Exactly. But yeah, but I think that like everyone during 2020, everyone's staying to reflect, you know, what do I want to share?
What I like? Um, you know, what's the point of all of this. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:21] and, um, I mean, for you, what is the, what has the response of. Uh, having the insight into a few people, a few people's minds, you've got some lovely comments on YouTube. This was, um, we've got one on, um, Instagram. Appreciate the talk today, guys, trust the process and bench more similar to that.
What did Ryan say?
Josh Janssen: [00:20:43] Ryan on YouTube said, thanks for the episode. Appreciate the honesty and transparency really impressed that you guys are having this sort of chat. Publicly Giuseppe said a hundred percent understand keeping certain things to yourself, but the transparency in this episode is really appreciated rooting for you guys even more.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:01] Thanks. Just a funny one because, so I go, what? So. I think it was even last week in those probably like at what point do you take into account? The context that you're in. So last week I reckon I was fucking feeling like I'm dad, not that, so this is why I don't say it then, because I don't feel like that.
Yeah, this moment I'm done. I could fucking easily go and get some job where I'm not having stress and not worrying about staff and not worrying about my getting business for my, you know, for, for the business, worrying about Josh, you know, like all of that. Yeah. But then what, what degree. Do you need to stop and go context we're in a fucking pandemic.
It was a lockdown there's potential stresses on the horizon that aren't yet come to fruition, but all real money's real businesses, real things need to happen and it can all be taken away. And so, and that's why I don't verbalize necessarily everything in those moments of darkness, because I'm like, And I, and here's what I don't know.
Is it not like if I came to you and said that you and I would just probably, you know, talk dark for a bit and other than going, yeah, well, we gotta do that tomorrow. We're going to get back to it tomorrow. And so it's hard because. At what point do you hold back on addressing these things? Because there is a version of working out.
So you feel down knowing, going to the gym, literally that's exactly what happened. Last week, I went to the gym at like 5:30 AM. I was on fire that day. Like I felt fucking like 150% better than the day before I was like, how's that work?
Josh Janssen: [00:22:44] But it's also like the whole idea that thoughts aren't facts. Yeah.
And so the idea that you have. I guess you want to be around people that can understand, and if you can't even reconcile it, if you can't understand why I think that, um, I think there is a generational thing to this as well. Like I'm having many conversations after the episode went live. My older friends tended to be nervous about the transparency or not even really nervous is probably not the right word, but it's just, I think that, uh, the older generation would tend to say, you know, like you don't need to tell people everything.
Like, it's, it wasn't really like, you know, saving face a little bit or, you know, what is this going to do? Like, is it. You know, is it setting up, you know, your clients, like, are they going to think are like these guys, you know, are they okay. That type of thing, but I don't think, um, I don't think that that's a, uh, something that we worry about.
It's hard
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:52] to be in that state and then ask for help. Yeah. So I, I just, I feel like it's too far of a leap if you've just kept everything in. And so I don't know that I don't know where it is and, and the line is, or where you should. I think it's personal about what, what your ability is to, you know, cope with these things and what coping mechanisms do you do use that alleviate some of those stresses.
But I just imagine if there's heaps of stuff we haven't talked about with our business and the struggles, but he's a good thought if you've thought that the times where we have been sharing a lot. Have been good times, probably the hardest times. If you think about that, like the hardest times of our business have been the times we've probably shared a bunch in terms of our personal live and Mason, but we haven't been talking about the, the anxiety producing mission.
That can be a business. Yeah. And not being where you want to be. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:57] Also, um, I think we're going back to the format of the show. I think that we are still figuring out what we want the show to be, which is fine. Like, I think that we understood that there's a process of showing up, but this is going to evolve.
This is going to become what it needs to become. And it's not going to stay the same, like we're not staying the same. And so if the individual is within a guy wearing Crocs and we're in Krog is not the same big cup, um, feeling great. Um, and so that's what I like. What I like is that the daily talk show can be whatever we want it to be.
Uh, I do think about the consistency. So what, what I feel that we bring. Uh, for grants, is that consistency that you know, that you've got something that you can put on, you can listen to, you can sort of, um, detach from whatever your reality is. And listen, listen to us, you know, whether it's talking about serious stuff or, or having fun.
And I think that that, that is the key, the key thing that will always stay the same.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:07] Um, which I, yeah, I think it has. And so if I was to understand why without, so you can always look back and think what was the strategy that you didn't even talk about that actually ended up happening. And if you don't think you have a strategy that is the strategy in Australia, um, the re the reason we don't bring stuff up or have talked about it, like one of the reasons is trying to work it out and articulate it properly and wanting to give it the best version of delivery or whatever, but it's also like, The last couple of months have actually been like fun the show for you and I, yeah.
And that's important. Yeah. And that's, and that's at the cost of not necessarily talking about everything that's going on, but just what we're doing.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:52] So we spoke a bunch over the weekend. We spoke a bunch on the weekend about social media. I am.
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:01] Yeah. I'm fucking still torn.
Josh Janssen: [00:27:03] I mean, so the, the thought is that, you know, we go through.
Yeah, I was writing a book, you know, there was a guy in the, um, the documentary, the social dilemma is the one that was sort of the, um, one of the OGs of virtual reality. I think he's got the big, long dreadlocks, real arty looking dude. He's got a book
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:25] that guy telling you that virtual reality is going to be a thing 15 years ago.
Yeah. It wasn't
Josh Janssen: [00:27:29] even like this. It was like a long, long time ago. Um, he, uh, He has a book, a 10 reasons to delete social media accounts now,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:42] um, short or long, or just like
Josh Janssen: [00:27:44] a one page SEO book. So I'm not sure, I'm not sure. I'm just sort of going with the flow, listening to it while it's vacuuming. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:52] Nice.
What was that? What was the takeaway easy? Is he dropping anything that, I mean, he's, he clearly it's in the title. He's not on he's deleted them all. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:28:02] Yeah. So I think that, um, A lot of it is around. We are being manipulated every day with, with these tools. And so the, uh, we've spoken about this many times before, but I think that the feeling that we have, the questions that we have around, do we need to be on these platforms?
What do they do it like, what happens if we don't engage on these platforms? What can we do instead?
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:27] Is there a book called
Josh Janssen: [00:28:28] 10
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:29] reasons to stay on? Well, is there a book called, um, Surviving is a business without social media in the 21st century.
Josh Janssen: [00:28:37] I mean, I think that there's heaps of businesses that do life, isn't it?
Yeah. This is the thing like how, how many actual clients to businesses get through social media? Some of them a lot, but if it's a relationship scale, if it's all those other things, maybe, maybe we're over baking how much we need it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:59] Yeah. Th that's definitely true
Josh Janssen: [00:29:00] too, but we also don't do a good job. Like I don't, I've never done a good job of responding to comments,
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:06] I should say.
Yeah. The one thing I was just going to say is, do you think you need to do a good job? Like if you were to reframe what it means for success on those things and what it means, because what it automatically does for a guy like you is you're thinking of the optics of what people are thinking about, what, how you're doing it, how you're being perceived, which is a version of.
What needs to be thought about if
Josh Janssen: [00:29:27] you're building relationships. So the thing that's always annoyed me about Al social media or all of that. So thing is we've never been good. I've never been good at responding back to people. And so people are going to spend the time to comment, and then we don't write back it sort of sins and a conscious unconscious message that it's like, Oh, we're not listening.
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:51] But I mean, think about anyone who you like. And no comparison to how big we are, but like the bigger people,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:02] but they still like, a lot of them do like, look at Dave Ella, like spends, you know, 15 minutes after the thing is in 15 minutes. He couldn't have a bunch of,
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:12] well, you've got the, yeah, you've got a pool
Josh Janssen: [00:30:14] of, but I don't think like he was at the beginning, like just responding back.
I think that people who do social media well, Uh, why'd that why that vibe chem, like, I'll just sit on comments for ages and think and lie. Yeah. Like I never write back, but I'm like thinking about, Oh, what kind of right here, or, and so
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:34] you see the people that get back to people with emoji, they just go through, it's just shockers.
Yeah. Fire symbol. Like it's clearly just ticking a box, ticking the box, getting back. And so. Yeah. W w what does that all for? Like, does that suffice? You pay someone to do that? And so then what's the
Josh Janssen: [00:30:57] like yeah. What is the point of all of this? Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:01] or if you can, if you could deescalate or not deescalate D um, if you could take away some of the meaning of it that you apply to it, maybe then it is like, Zero fucks given, but not in a zero facts.
Like I don't care about you people cause there's a, I think there's a difference between the arrogant
Josh Janssen: [00:31:24] people. So, but the thing is people notice the difference. I think that part of it is that for a lot of people, social media is their reality.
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:34] Well, yeah, I mean, so Facebook have shut down, um, all the news publications on, on their platform.
And I was reading an article of this woman. I had to go to the website, you know, at the go to the actual fucking news site to find this course, it's a woman, who's a single mom of a couple of kids that she said, how disconnected to the world. She feels because. Her her window to reality was through Facebook.
I was like, Oh fuck. That's a problem for you. Cause if that's that's your window, it's manipulated. It's distorted. Look at your actual window. And you'll probably say a fucking nother house or, uh, you know, apartment or a park, whatever it be or bars if you're in jail. But like that's the real reality. And so
Josh Janssen: [00:32:20] what's stopping you from getting off social,
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:24] um, Uh, yeah, the unsure and, and maybe the unsure and surety and short being unsure about what that even does, what that even means, what we're doing, what the impact will be.
Is it different if it's an experiment for a month because that
Josh Janssen: [00:32:45] is it. How does social media make you feel?
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:48] Um, I mean, other than just a fucking little tickle in my, um, Coach when I get comments back about something and I've posted, but I mean, it's, there's a, there's an InTouch vibe, you know, it's all Bray posted a lovely photo of the sunset of the rainbow rainbow this morning.
Jess Lucas. Yeah. I was like, well, they did, I should do it. I took a nice photo. And so I'll post that up, but it's, it's funny. Cause it's so obvious. Anything that, anything that you think is probably go to everyone? There's so many people there patterning is. Yeah. Sounds, you know, sunset or photo
Josh Janssen: [00:33:24] Instagram, instant light, but this is exactly, this is what we're all doing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:30] And so there's robots, but that's a connection in some respects that your, that you're making Bray got back to me about mine. I think I should do. I'll get back to her about her. Yeah. I love it. Good perspective of where she is and where I was for the, for the rainbow. Then the size of it. Interesting that.
A rainbow, depending on where you are still, the arch is the arch, no matter which way you're looking from. Well, because you guys were in a different sense North side,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:00] she was, she was
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:01] North side. Ah, okay. Yeah. Cause then, but Jess, yeah, it's interesting. Interesting. I wonder what, you know, people on the outskirts, this isn't, I mean, I've, I might probably do a full investigation into, is a rainbow.
Does it look like the same Ryan buy from every angle and so that it probably does not pay
Josh Janssen: [00:34:19] well. So the thought on the social media thing, I feel that there is it's too easy just to keep them.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:27] Yeah, because it's rewarding you post, like I was looking at something mine, 3000 views on Instagram like that. I put out like, this is the problem.
You get a little tickle, you land a viral video. Yummy. You know what for, I don't know. See, here's the thing we talk about keeping it, or we talk about what it's done for us. I can't, unless you have an, a store, a shop set up through Instagram or unless she has him, unless she has him. Why.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:59] With these
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:00] convenience store?
No, no, no, no. E-store I quick,
Josh Janssen: [00:35:05] how many people like has, um, has a great Instagram account that brings a heaps of like, so yes, and he's active and he's
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:12] engaged and he has a great product that is sold based on the content. So, but if you were to look at the sells online as well, so if you were to look at it yeah.
Uh, a country road, you can go into their page. You can click on a photo. It has little dots on it. Click on that shows you the dress. How much did is click through by it, very clear reason and very clear to be able to track the success. And so their metric is sales because they're a business. The heartbeat is content.
What's your metric. For success. Yeah. And so that's where I think the track can be numbers more and more and more equals more and more success. And so if you were to reframe the success, being more specific to the creation and sending shipping, Seth says Seth garden, maybe that dumbs down, dulls down the noise.
That comes from the lack of understanding of what success looks like. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:15] There's a, there's a documentary, a short documentary that we watched, um, over the weekend, leaving the
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:23] internet, leaving the internet. Yeah. And
Josh Janssen: [00:36:25] it was that made, so that was 2013. Yeah. Uh, and so, uh, it was, um, made by the verge. Paul what's Paul's last name.
I'm trying to remember. He, um, he basically decided I'm going to get, uh, Paul Miller decided, uh, he's been on the internet his whole, whole life don't want to do it anymore. Yeah. So he leaves the internet spends a year off the internet. Wait, just
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:54] to break it down quickly. Laundry list. Going off the internet means no phone.
Like, no, I message. No GPS, no maps on your phone. So you have to go burn a vibe. Um, and then do you even still use your burner? No email. Yeah. Like, like, no.
How
Josh Janssen: [00:37:12] appealing, how appealing is bank? Okay. So all of those CS, like there's, there's a bunch of, um, an in the, uh, 10 reasons to delete your social media account.
The author talks about. The internet smartphones. They're not bad. Social media is specifically doing a thing with the algorithms and all that sort of stuff, which changes the experience that we all have. We become the product. Um, if
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:39] you don't pay for
Josh Janssen: [00:37:39] the product, you are the product. Yeah. And so,
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:43] Oh, wait, chewy, because we didn't
Josh Janssen: [00:37:46] know we were a vehicle for Ben Fordham to get his name out and remains advanced.
Yeah. I mean, we're just two guys who don't need it. And the thing totally, this is, this is costing them. This is a charity case
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:59] on there, but,
Josh Janssen: [00:38:01] um, you know, they say put on your oxygen oxygen mask first, before you put it on us, before you help others, they are in
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:08] good condition. They're trying to help her.
struggle
Josh Janssen: [00:38:11] with that. Um, yeah, sorry. I, I dunno. I feel like it, um, that's a conversation that I would love to act upon soon. Around social media and just by just going. Yeah, I did it a bunch of times. Obviously I have done a bunch. Did you do it then?
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:35] What I remember, I got you've quit smoking if you had just quit it.
Probably not. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:38:42] Yeah. I mean, I, um, in 2009, I deleted Twitter and Facebook and all that. So I think actually I didn't delete Facebook. I'd deactivate. If I deleted Twitter, I actually put a PR profile pickup when I was going for two weeks. That was texting. Yeah. I said, I'm going to be off social media until this day.
Like, it's pretty obnoxious, but I think. But I think there is something nice. So on the weekend, I sort of hacked together a day where I wasn't doing social media stuff hack together. Well, just like, I mean, like didn't, didn't really like create, like I just, what day. Sunday to Sunday, we'll send that. I can't remember which day it was, uh, Sunday, uh, just like, not like he didn't even delete the apps or whatever, but just kept my phone somewhere else was re doing a bunch of writing.
It felt so good. Mm it's. I think it's time. Do you want to do it or no?
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:43] Uh, yeah. I mean, I don't feel, um, I mean, I mean, Both camps because I could have it and just give it the worst effort and be okay with that and not be that beat up about how she had a job. I do you know how fucking whack it is? Yeah. I
Josh Janssen: [00:40:03] mean the one thing is we did stuff with them.
Yeah. You know, we, um, we're on MTV's Instagram account talking about things that were happening, Victoria. They gave us some tickets
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:16] for the tennis. Oh yeah. Yeah. And that was only three sessions, media, social media. That's relevant to them. You weren't exactly on that,
Josh Janssen: [00:40:23] but maybe that's okay. Maybe you
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:26] do something else just means you don't go to the tennis.
Yeah. I mean, you're not a guy who would buy tickets to the tennis anyhow, nor a neuroma. I haven't, if we're talking about the last 10 years I have.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:37] Yeah. I think one of my first Instagram photos was made at the tennis.
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:40] Um, you can't, you got paid to go and shoot for Lulu
Josh Janssen: [00:40:43] lemon at the tenants that does no, no, no.
This
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:47] 10 years, 2000,
Josh Janssen: [00:40:49] 2012. Great year 23rd. I think it must have been 2013 anyway. Um, yeah, social media. Fuck it. Uh, I feel like there's, I don't have that much to lose, but a lot to gain, but you need to replace it. So Paul Miller does a year without the internet and then says, you know what? I'm still depressed.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:12] Yeah. I mean, it's not funny that he's depressed because he didn't go outside much. It's interesting. Cause it's you stop drinking, which I ha I ha I did for a whole year. I think that's taking a break. I can say I have not, I didn't drink. Two weeks, man, it's evenings quit the internet. Now you didn't quit Facebook, but I remember thinking I don't.
So there's the person you become when you stop something, you stopped drinking people around. You might say you're a better version of yourself. Do you feel in when, when they've articulated that, do you feel. That you are more content happier, like you are a better version. Like there's a bunch of things in the struggle I had from a year off was, I don't know if I was any happier or sadder.
Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:42:03] Was that the wake that you're talking about that you said was really hard for you? You have externally great.
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:11] Yeah, it's called toxic masculinity.
Josh Janssen: [00:42:13] Do you think it is like, so what, I'm just the Venn diagram I'm of toxic masculinity. Don't speak about your emotions and then being so aware or like being aware enough that you, um, you're not going to respond and react.
Where do they cross over?
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:31] I'm
Josh Janssen: [00:42:32] just trying to imagine a Venn diagram.
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:34] Yeah, no, I'm just trying to find out where they crossover. Yeah, but I'm looking for the crossover point. And so that people would be aware when there's action. No. So
Josh Janssen: [00:42:48] now the question is what's the difference between a holding your emotions in and understanding your emotional state and not responding negatively to them?
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:04] Well, I think if I. I 100% understood my emotional state, meaning, acknowledging that I'm feeling a certain way internally. So I'm not just, I wasn't caught up in it thinking I'm like not having that awareness.
Josh Janssen: [00:43:19] So the toxic bit is not acknowledging
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:22] it.
So what if it kept going and. Next minute, you've just ignored three years of feeling like shit based on something, a situation that's I think there's a, there's a T like, even when I say three years, it had to stop at some point, or I think emotion and, you know, feelings of up and down. That's the constant up and down is the constant.
Um, but there's so the stopping point, I think there's just a. The realization that, that I will go back to a darker place at some point. But yeah, the thing I don't know in the question that you're asking is when do you actually talk about it? When do you share or consult? Cause the hard bit is that usually the deeper you go, the less you want to.
And so I don't. And so, yeah, so one of the, cause if Bodie asked me if I, if I already said that to me, You know, it's like you said, we can talk this, uh, if I knew Bodhi was in a dark place like that, I'd be or AMIA, it's like, I want you to talk to me. I want you to tell me about this, which is easier said than done because you know, I'm a bit inept.
I can't, I struggled to talk to Amy sometimes and she, and I almost get it to a position where she's like, You want to talk about Sy because she knows I want to, but I'm just a bit fucked. I mean, I don't know how to initiate the convo, which is like, that's just a patent. She can recognize in me where it's like, so you wanna talk, you know, I think, yeah.
A lot of people would have a version with their partners where they want to be prompted. They actually want
Josh Janssen: [00:45:06] to be, but don't you, I think that your prompters changed because yours would just be. Being a grumpy Falco, just re reacting. But if you remove that, that was like always like a big prompter. Like if you're getting easily frustrated, but if you remove the easily frustrated, but it's harder to, to pick.
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:26] Does that make sense? So it's almost
Josh Janssen: [00:45:30] like a PayPal cracking or, or whatever, or like it's an unconscious, whether you sign it or not, you are projecting, this is how I'm feeling.
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:41] Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you're trying to throw a signal out there or even
Josh Janssen: [00:45:47] try
Tommy Jackett: [00:45:48] it, like it's unconscious conscious, mostly wanting someone to acknowledge that you're not doing well.
And so, yeah, I mean, we've talked about that, like in a workplace, should you, should you be vocal about it? And it's like, it's, this is the hard, tricky bit about navigating life there's culture and there's, you know, Um, other people to consider. I think, I, I think I am of the understanding that we're all swimming in our own thoughts and feelings and emotions.
And so there's, there's empathy there that I then have for other people, but also for myself about being in those places and then being able to, yeah. Acknowledge that it will change because you do see a change. And, um, it's a fucking tricky one. Cause there's people who are going through serious shit that are quite happy, got a business fucking imploding.
This is the best they have to do this shit anymore. And so that's a weird one because that for somebody else. Is the end of the world, the end of their world.
Josh Janssen: [00:47:01] I think part of it, like what I'm feeling at the moment and have felt for the last like three years, stay hydrated, hydrated, not anymore. Thanks to big cups, big
Tommy Jackett: [00:47:12] company.com.
Never orders. It might tell you. I'm sorry. I just need to a bit, uh, I'll do it a bit before, you know, I'm just going to say it. If you don't know. If your cup's big enough, there's one way to find out if you're in a conversation and you go to sip your cup and your eyes disappeared from this other person like this, the cups big enough.
You want to be, you want to shadow CAFTA cast over your eyes. You want to feel like you could be asleep.
Josh Janssen: [00:47:45] Amelie had a couple of car accidents drinking with these. So I have to actually use the lip like this.
Tommy Jackett: [00:47:54] Yeah. Yeah. I'm not talking about COVID of that three
Josh Janssen: [00:47:58] years. You've been in a transitional period.
Like you just transitioning to a nut like that. Yeah. There's, there's a, um, I think the path that we've picked is, has lacked comfortability in some ways. I dunno, like there's always like a bit of a, and I wonder, uh, you know, like I've been thinking around. The podcast, the podcast is such a big part of our lives.
Think about what would it look like? This is something that we sort of spoke about briefly making the podcast private. What would it look like? You know, in a few years' time for it to be a private, uh, fade that you have to sign up for? We do email only. It's not on the social, like it's not on social networks.
Hmm, that to me sounds really appealing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:48:52] Hmm. Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch of people that already do a version of that, which it can sound quite complex if you're listening and haven't signed up to somebody podcast that does that it, um, yeah. I mean, it's, who's it for, what's it for, I
Josh Janssen: [00:49:11] think like the. Yeah.
Like one thing that I realized was way doing the podcast for us. Like, it sounds, it sounds way more sort of sexy and a nice, when you say we do it for people, we do it because we want to connect with people. We want to do this and that, but we do it because we like doing it. Hmm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:49:35] Which I think for most things that people do, uh, that then have a reward for other people.
It starts with them. Because we've been in a room talking
Josh Janssen: [00:49:45] when no one was listening and sorry for all the time that no one was listening. If we did it just for people to listen, we wouldn't do it. You wouldn't, no one would do it. And so, but then you can get tricked into thinking, no, no, no. You've got to care about the numbers you need to, what can you do?
And this is the thing, this is what happens. You end up having guests on every single day, because get more numbers that way, or, you know, those types of things. Yeah. Um, you know, the private, the private things. Interestingly,
Tommy Jackett: [00:50:15] I don't know you driving with a cop is probably more interesting at this point than a
Josh Janssen: [00:50:21] private
Tommy Jackett: [00:50:22] RSS.
It's a favor listening, like the sight of you getting out of your car, holding a big cup, wearing
Josh Janssen: [00:50:28] Crocs. It's a good look. Hi, the daily talk show.com. What do you think? Are you, uh, do you feel like you're just constantly. In the state of transition, feeling a little sort of unsettled, let us know. The other thing is, do you have any suggestions on things that you love within the podcast that you would love to hear more of?
Sorry, I'm thinking format, like what about, uh, some of the things that I liked growing up Diggnation I loved that podcast and that was taking the top stories on the social news website. dig.com. Let's dig dij.com
Tommy Jackett: [00:51:04] invented dig, which was a good,
Josh Janssen: [00:51:07] so it was like Reddit before Reddit. And
Tommy Jackett: [00:51:09] so it'd be like, if we created Reddit and then we did a segment.
Yes. And so what's unread. It that'd be a
Josh Janssen: [00:51:15] fucking, that was cool though. So that would, they would take the best stories and they would just talk about them. So you'd go, like if I get let's go to D I G g.com. Don't come to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They sold it. Um, Tony ammo, Shaw. Okay. Here we go.
Tommy Jackett: [00:51:35] Uh, which is not an original format, to be honest, the most original bit about them doing.
And does that was their website, whereas now you listened to the fighter and the kid or a bunch of podcasts. I've got to produce a bunch of top stories. Okay. So let's
Josh Janssen: [00:51:54] try it. Um, uh, with. Uh, 840 digs submitted by John Michael puff. Uh, the most likely timeline, the next four seasons of pandemic life, um, daily life should get better soon then maybe a little worse than almost surely, much better.
Uh, though the next three months remain a mystery. The summer could be somewhat normal. Improvements could continue into fall and winter, although there is also the chance of modest relapse. And so then we would read the story. I would have an idea of it. Key details for most of the next three months will look like the preceding 12.
I'm boring myself. Some at 21 could resemble some of 2019. The following cold amounts will likely see cases rise. Is this just
Tommy Jackett: [00:52:52] people. I mean now is 2020 people talking about the future. What the future looks like when no one had an idea. I mean, the States, there's someone who is a scientist at John Hopkins university and they've come out and said that Corona virus could be gone by like April in the States.
Which is fucking pretty crazy herd immunity based on how many people have got it. It's a bit flexing that everyone, everyone got COVID. Ah, yeah. So it's herd immunity now because we fucked it up. Everyone
Josh Janssen: [00:53:25] got it. If we lost the vaccine, um, uh, here we go. I ditched texting and picked up the phone, uh, submitted, uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:53:36] hang on.
I don't get the dig thing either. Is it like
Josh Janssen: [00:53:40] 475 days? Yeah. So just dig a story and then it would appear on the front page. I can read it up.
Tommy Jackett: [00:53:45] Fuck. It's shows me how far gone that term. Diggies I was literally thinking about
Josh Janssen: [00:53:51] call on a dig, dig a 475 digs submitted. Uh, doesn't even have a submission. So sometimes it looks like, um, it's um, outside, online.com and they say, uh, They're going to say that they a text message, fragment, fucking boring myself.
Pretty crazy something interesting. I get
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:12] it. I get how to call. Maybe I get it. I get it.
Josh Janssen: [00:54:16] I'm boring myself. Okay.
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:18] So the question that, how you got to that was saying, what should we do an idea? Do you want to hear something? Take your feedback. It's probably worth hearing the feedback coming through email before it's too late.
And everybody's given feedback on, um, podcast reviews in Apple. This is a bunch of podcasts that are getting absolutely slammed. And it's a bit late. Cause you don't want your, the message board know coming through on podcast reviews. Cause they don't, you can't just edit them or
Josh Janssen: [00:54:48] delight@thedailytalks.com.
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:51] We will take your feedback on board and we love
Josh Janssen: [00:54:53] it. Yeah. All right. Have a good one guys.
Tommy Jackett: [00:54:55] Bye.