Human Evolution

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad. That's crazy!

Josh: We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Say hi, guys. Hi, guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show episode 960.

Tommy: Happy Tuesday. Happy Chewy Tuesday, my friends. How are we?

Josh: Uh, continuing our lockdown, we'll be here until Wednesday, and then hopefully here all week we're, uh, back at the office. But yeah, it is Chewy Tuesday. You gave me the Trident cinnamon. Normally, uh, you are extremely strict, um, you can be a bit of an asshole about it actually around us not having the Chewy before Chewy Tuesday.

Tommy: Well, it's, it's It's called, we want to be able to react in the moment to the flavour of the chew, where we chew on a chewing gum for the 60-second segment that usually blows out to 60 minutes. But no, no, no, you are like a child that I'm like, if I told you I got you a present, you would not stop harassing me about what did I get you. Even if I prefaced with, I got you a surprise present, and you're like, well, just tell us what it is then. And so Chewies, your kryptonite. You love them. And if I— if we've got Chewie in the office and it's for something special, you want to get into it. And then I called you, I called you, I dropped— because I had to drop some things to you, and one of them being the Chewie, because I needed— we needed, you know, I'm, I'm the backbone of this segment even though it's your segment, you know.

Josh: You were delivering. So yeah, the other day before, uh, we started working from home, you dropped off you dropped off the chewies and then we had a FaceTime call and you said, are you eating those chewies, you prick? Which, which, well, I mean, the thing is, we're in lockdown, mate. Just give us a break. I couldn't believe that. Think about all of the hassles. What are we going to do with Bodhi? Like, what's all this? That, like, and the big thing was like, are you having the chewies early? Like, that was the, that was the thing that was going to piss you off.

Tommy: Well, as soon as I saw you having one, because I haven't even thought of having one, as soon as I saw you, I was like, well, fuck it, I'm eating chewing gum as well.

Josh: I knew that you would do that. You wanted to see me do this.

Tommy: Well, you know, one sort of weak link takes down everyone else, but if you're not the main weak link that started the fall of Rome, you're okay with it, you know, it's all good. So Um, today, well, there is something that we both haven't done unless you've already done this. We're doing a Chewy Tuesday chew-off.

Josh: And yeah, I haven't done it yet, but what I will say is, um, when I was having one of the cinnamon Chewys yesterday, Bree said it's, um, because it is cinnamon, it doesn't have that sort of minty fresh smell. And I said, should I say in the review that it makes your breath smell not great? And she said specifically, she said, do not say that because you can't walk away from the guy who's got bad breath. Like, it will stay with people. So she was very clear that it wasn't that it smelt, it just smelt cinnamony, and she likes the fresh mint smell.

Tommy: I get it, I get it. Her other boyfriend, you know, delivers on that.

Josh: No, no.

Tommy: So today's— today we're Trident cinnamon gum, which this is like an extra, so it's like a thicker slab, um, a thicker piece versus the Big Red last week was like straps. And can I just— can I lead this? Yeah, I don't— I don't—

Josh: I—

Tommy: what you just said, I don't—

Josh: I don't know. No, just the strap versus the thing, like the extra thing. What you're just talking about is a little bit of— there's just a slight thickness difference, so the Trident's a little bit thicker.

Tommy: Do not compare a crepe to a pancake. They are not the same thing.

Josh: Can we be clear? I never did. What I'm saying is, if you can run the segment even though I created it, um, but what I'll say is looking at the Chewies, yeah, so you've got maybe it's the trident is the width about like a third, like, um, two-thirds of the, um, the width, or just, or maybe half. So yeah, I understand what you're saying.

Tommy: Comparing it to a Big Red, one's really flat, one's a thicker little piece.

Josh: Which one do you like more in regards to flat versus thick?

Tommy: Trident is real good. This, this, this is my favourite cinnamon gum I've ever had, and I used to be a big believer in Big Red, um, but until I saw how many carbs sugars it had in it. This is sugar-free.

Josh: No, it's not that— like, let's, let's not sound like we're, um, orthorexic. The, um, it's only 10 calories per big red stick. But the big thing you can't deny is you can't be chewing gum that has sugar in it. The doctors will tell you— sorry, the dentist will tell you this, the FDA will tell you this— you need to go zero sugar if you're going to have chewy, because otherwise you are ruminating in sugar all day, which is not good.

Tommy: Well, it is. It would be like chewing on a little gummy bear. It's full of sugar. If there was a NutriSound, that would be a great idea.

Josh: But the thing is, so here's a question for you. You better off drinking a Coke quickly or slowly for your teeth?

Tommy: Um, I reckon If you were to like put your tongue out and then, you know, pour it down so it only hits your tongue onto your throat quickly, that's better in terms of your teeth. Oh, your teeth.

Josh: Well, yeah, so the deal is that my mom—

Tommy: You know the answer, do you?

Josh: Was a dental nurse. Yeah, she was a dental nurse for, you know, 30-odd years. And what she would say is every— if you drink any sort of acidic drink. She has a real issue with the fizzy, the La Croix and stuff that I'm drinking at the moment because they're sort of apparently quite acidic. Um, and, uh, every time you take a sip, it's hitting your teeth. It's, it's, it's attacking the enamel. And so the suggestion is, if you're gonna have your DC, if you're gonna have your Coke Zero, if you are going to have your Pepsi Max do not sip it. If you sip it throughout the day, you think, 'I'm being good.' You're not. You are just— you are creating multiple situations where it's a fucking war zone in your mouth, essentially. You're getting it— your enamel is getting constantly attacked. So either use a straw or skull that mofo.

Tommy: I mean, if that's not, you know, Life advice. I don't know what else is. But I reckon I'm just going to have a little piece of the Big Red because we've got some left over from last week. Surprisingly, you always place it all.

Josh: And you were pissed off about this. Yeah. And so you're pissed off about this too because I don't know how it actually happened, but you said we've got to keep at least two. I thought there was two in the packet. And sorry, I thought there was three in the packet. And so I gave George half and me half, and we chewed on one and were enjoying it. And then you came in and said, who had the fucking chewy? It was you. And then start fucking attacking me. It gets real nasty.

Tommy: What are you having? What are you putting in your mouth right now?

Josh: Big Red. Okay.

Tommy: Yeah, I know the difference.

Josh: I know the difference.

Tommy: Texture.

Josh: No. So I would like— I like the Big Red. I'll tell you why. I taste the sugar. No, um, what I like about the Big Red is this— the, the, the chilli spice heat. Um, there is a, there is a heat, there is a bite that you get on the back of your throat. Can you taste that?

Tommy: Yeah. Oh no, this is annoying.

Josh: What?

Tommy: I've just put a piece of Trident gum The chewy one after the— oh no, after the Big Red. Try it. Take out the Big Red, put in there.

Josh: No, no, just tell me what happens first.

Tommy: All you taste is the sweetness of it.

Josh: It's like, you know, I can get around that.

Tommy: Well, the cinnamon kind of goes because you've been hit with the Big Red's quite hot.

Josh: Sounds like it's—

Tommy: and now, to be honest, yeah, definitely this segment Not advised if you are an asthmatic like myself.

Josh: Yeah, um, um, no, but I, um, I think, um, for a day to an EDC, everyday carry, you have to go with the Trident just for the fact that it's not a war zone in your mouth. It's, it's, um, it doesn't have that sugar.

Tommy: Uh, well, just on the, the chewing stuff, like, teeth are a bizarre thing, like how they've evolved over Well, you know, the, the human, the human, the time.

Josh: What are you trying to say?

Tommy: Evolution. Like coming from— think about like, um, I want to talk about human evolution. Teeth. Think about horses, how over the time they've got that like gap at the back where the, um, the reins, you know, that you pull. There's like a mouthpiece that they wear.

Josh: Ah, really?

Tommy: You know that when you ride— have you ever ridden a horse?

Josh: Um, personal question, but, uh, I don't know. I don't know. I've, um, have you not ridden a horse? I've— fuck off and stop attacking me. I've had—

Tommy: I've ridden a camel, but I know if you've ridden an elephant, you've ridden an elephant before a horse.

Josh: An elephant? Uh, yeah, I've, um, I only ride exotic animals.

Tommy: Is it true that you rode an emu once? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the natives, all the kangaroo, kangaroo, crocodile, fucking horse, poor echidna. No, no, no, the poor wombat goes hard.

Josh: I'm trying to think, have I? I've got to have had ridden a horse, but I can't think of a time. Mate, we didn't all, we like, we were lucky to have enough bow and arrows for the whole team. Like we I went to a public school. Um, uh, no, just give me a sec. Let me think. I've been on a horse and cart.

Tommy: Nah, still not the same. You've— have you never sat on a saddle on top of a big 500-kilogram beast?

Josh: So yeah, so there are saddles for like the camels and the elephants and stuff, but no, but I mean, I mean I don't think, I don't think so. I can't remember. It seems ridiculous. You know how when you're a kid, I don't know if you ever did this, but when you would go to a fete, yeah, it was like the, um, there might have been a horse, but there was also, um, the local bikie. No, the local bikie that would take you on a Harley around there. Do you remember that?

Tommy: I had it for my birthday one year. We got Harley-Davidson rides. And so that's cool. I don't think they're bikies in the sense of, yeah, tough, they're criminal bikies. They're like hot rodders, almost like your dad, enthusiasts.

Josh: They love it.

Tommy: And so it brings joy to them to get some little tacker on the back just loving life. But I remember there's some photos of us out the front of our place on a motorbike. Anyway, we digress. So it's not about whether you've ridden or you haven't ridden. I mean, that's something, that's a big first that we can do all as a team. We can see you trot off and it's probably going to be a winery tour. An adult tour.

Josh: Do they do that?

Tommy: Yeah, down in the peninsula you can ride horseback between wineries and have a few sips. I don't know, you know, it sounds dangerous. But over the years, horses' mouths have evolved. That's what I've heard. I wonder if chewing gum or like the human mouth, how it's evolved over the years, like wisdom teeth. What are they for, mate? Are they— they've got to serve any purpose? Maybe many, many years ago. It's bone. Anyway, um, Jess sent us a, uh, a site with 43 wild facts of human evolution, um, and I'm going to read a few. She's, she's given us— she's done some— she's given us some numbers. Number 36, 29, 27. These are all the number— so within the list Number 36, choke artists. All right, here we go.

Josh: So do you want me to guess what a choke artist is, or is it as it seems?

Tommy: No, this is fun. What's a choke artist?

Josh: My guess is a choke artist is someone that's sort of, um, almost in the realm of a magician that's able to sort of choke themselves out, make themselves unconscious, and then bring themselves back.

Tommy: Well, I mean, people thought we had a choke artist the other day when you grabbed me from behind the— oh yeah, behind them, from behind, and choked me out. Um, no, uh, humans are the only mammals that face a significant risk of choking on food.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: The lowering of the voice box, which is exactly what makes it possible for us to speak. Similar primates like a capuchin monkey, for example, How do you reference a monkey no one's ever heard of? A capuchin. Capuchin. Have you heard of a capuchin monkey?

Josh: No, maybe I haven't ridden a horse. Don't ask me.

Tommy: Yeah, true, true. Struggled to create the sounds needed for speech because their voice boxes never descended. In the words of the linguist Steven Pinker, at some point evolution chose human speech over human breathing. Personally, I would not take not choking over speaking. So that's interesting. So yeah, you can— it was the deal with the devil, you know? It was either never choke but you can't speak, or speak but you watch it when you're fucking at Vaudemont sucking back a snail, it could kill you.

Josh: Oh, so you think it's like, so it's the food choking sort of thing?

Tommy: It's, well, I thought it was more sort of like, yeah, that makes sense.

Josh: That makes sense. I straight away went to sort of like being attacked, like how we can die.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, this is a good one. Hiccups. There's no game there for you, but maybe think about what a hiccup is. You, Josh has eaten bread a bit too fast around the office.

Josh: Oh, it's like Bree actually gets mad at me mid-hiccup. Like, if it happens a lot with cheese, you know what, you know what, just like, I, I, I feel Bree's rage.

Tommy: There's something annoying about it, and it's just like a kid who's eaten too many chocolates and is shitting himself in the corner. Just like, I'm not like, that's annoying, you're annoying.

Josh: But you made me feel better because you said, um, Amy does it.

Tommy: Yeah, Amy, when she eats bread, it's like, it's like, it's like she's a, you know, a little, little kid just getting, you know, hasn't eaten in weeks, just getting a bit of bread, eats it too fast. It's something about how much you chew it, I think. I reckon you feel like it.

Josh: So it's more than a hiccup for me. It's almost like a, um, it's closer to a heart attack, I would say, than a hiccup because it's sort of my whole chest No, it's not even that. It's like a, like a, a physical—

Tommy: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. It's like air trying to go down, it gets stopped. All right, here we go. Hiccups may also be a leftover from back when we were an aquatic species. Basically, the same muscle used to produce, uh, to process water in a fish's gills is what's responsible for the contraction we feel when the diaphragm goes into spasm, i.e., a hiccup. Okay, there you go. Your diaphragm spasming, Josh. Remember, the next time you're expecting the hiccups, it's really just your fishy heritage coming out. Treat them by leaping into the nearest ocean. Okay, that's just silly.

Josh: I mean, talking about that reminds me of crocodiles. I was— I watched a clip from Elon Musk. You rode one.

Tommy: Talk about the one you rode the other week.

Josh: I rode one. No, I, um, was watching a Joe Rogan clip on YouTube when he had Elon Musk on for the second time the other day. Did you listen to that episode?

Tommy: Yeah, I got about 20 minutes ago.

Josh: Okay, so a couple of things, uh, so they were talking about crocodiles. Did you hear that bit?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Don't just think it's a bit—

Tommy: wow, they survived. Yeah, and just like, so like rotting meat, the way they survived the thousands of years and not going extinct. They can eat anything, just rotten carcasses.

Josh: Yuck. And so they— did they survive the Big Bang?

Tommy: Mate, I'm not Elon Musk. Why are you asking me?

Josh: Can you just Google, uh, I've got a mic in my hand.

Tommy: Okay, why can't you?

Josh: So do I. No, no, I'm in the exact same position.

Tommy: And so, um, uh It could be, that could have been pre, pre-big, pre, like, Big Bang. And then was the Big Bang— is suggesting that that's how the universe— are you looking it up?

Josh: No, no, don't worry about it. The, the, um, yeah, we need to get some sort of expert on to talk about it. But the other thing, um, that I thought was interesting from that, uh, chat very quickly was, um—

Tommy: no, so Josh, the Big Bang Theory is the leading explanation about how the universe began. So, so it's— so they— the ice age is what I'm saying. The ice age, yes.

Josh: Ice age, okay.

Tommy: Yes. And so see, yeah, so that was pre, and then—

Josh: so there was the Big Bang, and then I need a— some sort of, uh, timeline printed out. It's good to know.

Tommy: We'll get it tattooed on your arm, mate. Uh, all right, you ready for the next one?

Josh: Go for it.

Tommy: Pink eye. Have you ever had pink eye?

Josh: No, but has it got Mr. Pinky giving his feedback? Well, pink eye from earlier in the article, maybe pink eye is like the—

Tommy: maybe it's, um, conjunctivitis. Is that it? It's like people refer to pink eye as conjunctivitis. Anyway, all right, the small pink tissue in the corner of the eyes, leftover from a third eyelid. I know, you know, that stuff where you sleep sort of pulls up. I'm pointing at it.

Josh: Oh no, no, I don't understand that. So I understand sleep, but what's the sleep pulling up stuff?

Tommy: No, no, no. So, so in the corner of your eye is where sometimes— so the corner closest to your nose on each eye, you can see the pink tissue at the joint at the very corner. And sometimes, well, sleep can pull over to that part of the eye. And so when you wake up, you just— like, people rub their eye and get the sleep out. Anyway, I always thought that that area was like the place where it just sort of sends it all. But they're saying that it left over from a third eyelid similar to those found in a bird or reptile. It helps to protect your eyes by keeping them moist. Um, does this support the reptile Illuminati theory? Okay, this, this website just adding in commentary as well, like facts and commentary.

Josh: It's like when you read anything where you just inject dumb shit into it and we don't know if it's real or not. So it actually said the Illuminati thing.

Tommy: It actually did. All right, so I'm going to give you a couple options of which one you can go next for the final one. So So foot muscle, um, here we go, number 16, Neanderthals and humans, or we've got number 13, blushing, or we've got—

Josh: I'll lock in foot muscles, please.

Tommy: Foot muscles?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Is that because you see yourself as a walker?

Josh: No, I've just had foot issues previously.

Tommy: Okay. Foot muscle. About 9% of the human population today has an utterly useless muscle in their leg. It's called the plantaris muscle, and it's used to have a legi— it used to have a legitimate use back in our monkey days. It helped us to grip and manipulate objects with our toes. Now, of course, our fancy fingers and thumbs have taken over that function. Leaving the plantaris out of work. In fact, the thumb has rendered the plantaris muscle so useless, scientists like to use it when reconstructing other parts of the body.

Josh: That's interesting.

Tommy: That's full-on. What a useless— I mean, there are some—

Josh: Plantaris.

Tommy: Plantaris. I don't even know what— like, what's it doing? How's it even staying alive? You know, how's it keeping its thickness?

Josh: I don't quite understand it. Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, hang on, sorry.

Josh: That was a good section.

Tommy: Do you want to do one more? Yeah, because this is very relative. Nah, hairy humans. One square inch of human skin has as many or more hair-producing follicles as other primates. The difference is ours is lighter. Thinner and shorter. I just ruined the segment by bringing that up. Sorry, guys.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: That was dumb.

Josh: That's okay.

Tommy: Did nothing.

Josh: Did you know you lose around 70 hair strands a day? Do you?

Tommy: As in—

Josh: Well, I do. I saw a beauty, like, maybe Joanna Fleming on her Insta. She was doing— she's got a beauty podcast and she was doing sort of an Insta, you know, ask me anything, and someone was saying, hey, I'm losing 20 hairs a day, and she's like, hey, up to 70 is all good.

Tommy: Up to 70. But how would you— I mean, Amy loses hair quite frequently, but it's just, I think it's just more noticeable based on the length of them, right?

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: And so if she has a shower, I'm always surprised that she's not completely bald. By the end of the week. Like, how are they growing? Are they growing that quick, or you just have so many of them? That's what I don't understand.

Josh: I think, yeah, so many.

Tommy: It's ridiculous. It's crazy. I mean, what's, um, how— I was just thinking about, sure, some women suffer, um, what's it called, um, alopecia. Alopecia. So they lose their hair, but like majority of women have hair. Why did— why is it that men go bald? Like, why did men get that deal?

Josh: Do you think that that's like the testosterone thing?

Tommy: Mate, yeah, I don't know.

Josh: Got a lot of questions, not many answers.

Tommy: We need answers. Do you know that?

Josh: We need some sort of scientist that we can call up on these occasions. One thing that I can speak to a lot is, um, torches. And, um, I've got a great, um, one— I've charged it, I can turn it on. Um, uh, I think it'd be fun to do like a Torch Talk segment maybe once a week where I can tell you a funny Torch story. And this storey comes from the weekend where we had some plumbing issues, and I saw the plumber using his iPhone to try and light up what he was trying to say, right? I just thought, this is not good. So I went over, I said, hey, do you want a torch? He said, oh yeah, that'd be helpful. And so I ran so quickly to get my torch, and Bree was like, she's watching me going, oh, like, he's got his moment. And, um, I gave it to him. I gave it to him on a real high setting, like, it would have— if he held it for too long, it would have burnt his hands.

Tommy: He said, fuck me, not a blowtorch, mate.

Josh: No, so I gave it to him and he was flicking through the settings and I wanted to explain. I said to him, ah, like, you just— do you want me to show you how to use it? And I just liked his response, which was, mate, I learned Microsoft Windows all on my own. I've got this. That's a good response. And then he— but then he went for like 5 minutes talking about, yeah, you know, windows. I did all my— like, just talked about it for ages. He loved talking, which I do too, so it's all good.

Tommy: Who won the talking comp?

Josh: He won based on he was able to turn off the torch, but not before he put it in strobe mode. That was when I asked him. It was like strobing up the joint. I said, do you need a hand with the torch? But no, he Oh, like, I think Bray was getting pissed off at me because I was egging him on, like, just asking him questions. Like I said to him, he's trying to push through some sort of blockage. I said, he's like, oh, you know, we have to go from this way. I'm like, can you not, like, might be a simple question, but could you just vacuum it with something, like use some sort of vacuum technology? And then he went into, oh yeah, you'd think, but no, they don't have any technology like that. And then I asked him about his he's got a camera that he like, you know, put it through the system. And then I said, oh, through the pipe? Yeah, yeah. So like, how long do you guys like use them? Like, how long you had them for? He's like, oh, I guess that's like asking how long have mobile phones been around. I said, is it? And I said, uh, early '90s. He's pissed off that I gave him an answer. And then he's like, oh, you know, like, and he started telling me about like, oh, you know, the, um They were the big phones, you know, you had a real, real massive, massive phone, big brick phones. And then I realized, I'm like, I'm not getting any information on this camera. And so it turns out they're about 10 years— his point was someone had invented something 30 years ago that no one was using, but in the last 10 years it's become a lot more popular. And he's had his unit for about 4 years. But it is cool, like he was showing, he was giving a lot of detail about his, the job. Just plumbing. Yeah, yeah, just understanding. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, yeah.

Tommy: If you ever want to have a conversation with someone who's a tradie, just get them fired up about what they do. Make it all about them. It is a good way.

Josh: And that's what I was doing. Like I was definitely, I was asking, like just, I nearly asked, Oh, how'd you get into this? But, um, I just thought like, I think we're paying by the hour. And I could tell like, and he was explaining everything. Like, I just, part of me, I understood that it's like, it seems like quite a lonely job. And he, um, you know, there was one sec, like, he was a guy who was very sort of, um, vocal throughout the whole experience. So it's like, you know, where I'm in the house and he's out the front trying to work out, like, I'm trying to get the camera up the pipe from the front of the house, and you just hear, "Ah, fuck." So we like go out, so, "Is it— are you all good?" He's like, "Ah, it just, um, it forks off and I can't get it up, get it up there." So we can't, we can't see, see what's going on. But like the way that he was talking, I thought like he'd hurt himself.

Tommy: Yeah, no, it's my dad. Bugger it, bugger it. He'd be like, mate, you're right. Oh, just, yeah, lost my measurement.

Josh: Yeah, but he also, he reminded me of me with like video projects where it's like he's been around for a while, so he's seen things go wrong. And so he's like, you know, he's tiny. I've had something just like this before. I ruined the whole kitchen. I had to move out. It was an insurance thing. I was like, okay. It's just like, yeah, this is not good. This is not— and then like, he said, oh, so we'll just need to put— we need to get someone to put their foot over this like hole where like a drain sort of thing so it doesn't go up when he was like putting through some sort of like pressure hose. And he said, now, you know, I don't know how long this is going to take because I don't know if you guys are comfortable with putting your foot on it or do I need to get some more people into— I'm like, I like put the foot on the drain. He's like, yeah. He's like, I'm like, I can do that. He thinks I'm a useless fuck. But then he's like, oh, you know, but I can't be held responsible for any of the, you know, like, there could be, you know, we don't know what, what sort of, um, whatever the fuck. Yeah, no, no, but like, what sort of like shit is there?

Tommy: I'm like, isn't it our own Oh no, because you can get, dude, you can get, um, hepatitis. No, you can get like from sewage. There's—

Josh: if it was so bad, I shouldn't have done that.

Tommy: Unless it's sprayed everywhere, I think you're fine. I think, I think you're fine, dude. Okay, that's funny.

Josh: I do enjoy a chat with a tradie though.

Tommy: Yeah, tradie chat, it's great.

Josh: Maybe we could do that. Maybe once a month we could get a tradie on. And we could just ask a bunch of questions.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, what you're seeing is you really have to treat them like they're experts who have come into your house. If you had a, if you had an aquarium or like a fish expert come to your house to look at your fish, you'd be asking all different questions. It's like my dad, you do it with him with plants. He loves it, loves chatting about plants. And something about hearing somebody who loves something talk. There's someone's, you know, just loving on a topic.

Josh: And when they explain it too, like, he really got into it. Like, um, yeah, explaining, like, now I feel comfortable doing some plumbing, you know. Like, I've got just enough, just enough info to be dangerous, you know. Do you have a plunger at your place?

Tommy: Um, you mean like a, like a plunger? That, that, yeah, no, I don't really. I don't.

Josh: I feel like because we're in a, like, an older house, like, that's a thing now. That's like you have plungers. Being in apartment blocks, you didn't really need a plunger, but having pressure and, you know, I've been into—

Tommy: I've moved into a house that had a plunger that was not ours, which is almost like— you think about the problems that have happened that that's needed to be used on. I've never had to really use it. Actually, I should have had a plunger once. I had to use a— so I looked up how you could, um, I looked up how you could create a plunger at home. And if you wrap a toilet brush, if you put a plastic bag around that, it can, it can become a plunger.

Josh: Oh no.

Tommy: Like, it can, it can seal off and sort of just push, push whatever.

Josh: Sounds like a sad day for you.

Tommy: I know, yeah, it's that, mate, one, using a fucking toilet brush is one thing, putting a plastic bag over it, oh yeah, horrible.

Josh: Oh yeah, I remember as a kid accidentally being at a mate's place and being really particular with wiping my ass because I never would go to the toilet, like do a shit at their, like at people's houses, and I needed to, and so I was being very particular and I took the toilet roll, the toilet paper roll off the thing so I could like get the paper. I accidentally dropped the whole— a full roll into the bowl. What do you do? What do you do? I was fucking panicked. I was like, can I flush this fucking thing down? It's gotten so big. It was just— that's why you don't shit at people's places. All right, anyway, it's a daily talk show. I hope you're enjoying lockdown if you are in lockdown. If you're out and about, I hope you're having a good day with that too. Uh, we'll see tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.