Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the wrong spot.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:11] in the calendar
Josh Janssen: [00:00:13] just like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:16] story,
Josh Janssen: [00:00:19] the daily talk show episode 954.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:23] Happy Monday at the fab lightly die. Are you a guy that picks his nose? Um, yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:32] How often do you think you pick your
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:34] nose? Well, I think any, any real picker, um, couldn't tell you that. Yeah, because it's constant. It just happens. Um, now hang on. If I thought
Josh Janssen: [00:00:45] about it in your shoe, like, I have actually had moments where I'm like, I've got a problem.
I've got to start
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:51] now, but I think most people have that. It's usually like when something they've got like a little scratch or something develops, like, I don't know if you have a cold. I actually don't do it all the time until I realized that I am then doing it all the time
Josh Janssen: [00:01:04] healthy to not do it,
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:07] um, healthy to not do it.
I've I've heard someone talk about you can die from doing it. Okay. But that, I mean that person's probably like. Tap water will kill you. Yeah. You know, like there's a chance, there's a chance. Everything can kill you. There's a chance your phone could just somehow explode in your pocket and end you.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:28] Yeah.
Do you think that you, um, are you like a dry, like, do you have dry snot? Why are
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:33] we going here? talking about this for a Monday. No, but is it
Josh Janssen: [00:01:38] like, I find that it sort of, um, can sometimes align. You have my email. Does that happen to you too?
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:45] But I don't know. I mean,
Josh Janssen: [00:01:47] I just, I just feel like I'm working from home.
I was picking my nose a lot. Whereas now being back at the office, there's, you know, there's other people it's like, and you stopped. Well, I know, I know a friend that, um, they they've been having stomach issues since going back to their office because they can't fart as much. Fair
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:10] fair. And so maybe nostrils around the globe are filling back up with snot that hasn't been picked based on, uh, working in, uh, restrictions.
Oh my God. There was a, uh, another case of Corona virus, um, uh, obtained is the right word. But, uh, someone who was in the hotel quarantine program, working at the hotel quarantine at Melbourne airport has caught, is this the one
Josh Janssen: [00:02:38] that went to
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:39] four locations? Yeah, one of them being a cake shop on a Friday.
Yeah. Uh, that night also went to the bottle shop. Dan Murphy's Saturday didn't get enough. Alcohol went back to Dan Murphy's, but also went to off your tree. The four locations that you have to declare a fucking a bong shop, a bottle shop in a cake shop. Pretty funny that there,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:02] I did think that I did think that they got really specific with the time.
I have to know a bit like, as in normally it's like between quarter past or whatever off your tray, you said the person arrived at like 17 past. I wonder if they've literally looked at the security footage, good point and done it based on that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:21] Yeah. I mean, who would else be tracking their time like that?
Yeah, that's even going there. I mean, the thing about it is you'd look at your credit card or if you spent money there, I mean, it's probably everyone's spending cash it off your tray off your tree is, or was when I was growing up a bong shop. So they'd sell every car type at glass, bong or smoking. Would they also sort of
Josh Janssen: [00:03:45] synthetic.
Yeah, so stuff that's technically not illegal. Well, I think they've made it
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:51] illegal now. Maybe there is some, but synthetic marijuana was a thing and it was legal for a long time and it really ruined pavements lives crusher than weed in people. Yeah. The addiction was out of control. Uh, bongs are illegal to sell in Australia.
Now, I think maybe reselling, uh, flower vases. Oh really well, that's what that, this is what people were selling bongs as after the law came out of us, just put flowers in their nice little daffodils. I mean, around a little, you know, in, through the small little bong pay that cone peace God. But, um, yeah, that was, that was quite
Josh Janssen: [00:04:30] interesting.
Well talking about, um, COVID and lockdowns and all that sort of thing. Uh, our mates and WWI. I think they did five days, uh, Nicole centers, an email, Hey guys, I wanted to reach out and say, thank you for keeping me sane last week during was lockdown or
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:46] one case and went into 5,000 locked down. Um, but yeah, so it was like almost just like they gave everyone the week off work.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:55] Uh, today when Josh was reading about the history of mimosas, I swear it was like, Listening to H S M R he should read an audio book or something just for fun. Thanks, Nick. Thank you for your very mountain. No, my mum
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:11] reads audio books or she started to, uh, through that online platform. Uh, what is it? The meditation lead?
No, mum doesn't have an only fans. Um, it's uh, yeah, but you can see there's like story time. So you could read a kid's book. It's actually quite nice. I mean, it takes a fair bit of time and then you've got to get it like to read for an hour. I mean, you have it. What's the longest stint you've read for, without even reading out a loud.
So imagine doing a show, just in the comparison to . Two hours, which is still quite a long time to hold attention to,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:53] I just think it, like, I remember, um, Michelle and Zara from shameless, when they were doing their audio book, they were like losing their voice. Like it is a full-on expense because you
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:02] want it to, to all sound great.
Like you, you CA I reckon I've been able to pick up on an audio book of when someone's done a new session. Like just maybe the morning they came back and did a morning, like some people's morning voices, real thing. Yeah. Just a bit Husky. You've
Josh Janssen: [00:06:18] got to imagine a lot of fundamentals. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:21] You get it fired up.
Um, dude, uh, I reckon, I reckon I've had, um, post-traumatic stress. I believe that
Josh Janssen: [00:06:30] working with me.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:31] Yeah. I mean, I've got through that. Um, and I'm working on it and medication's been good. Uh, no, you're all right, man. You're right. Um, the incident that happened across the road from my house, which I haven't talked about yet, I know Joe talk about it.
I think I got to talk about it yet, but it's affecting you. Well, I've got to talk about it. I think, um, Scared the shit out of me, but even light last night.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:59] Are you going to change any of the
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:00] details? I just of don't say the street that I live on. Okay. And so TJ, you can change the suburb? Yeah. Okay.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:07] Okay.
And so, uh, TJ called me on a Sunday before 9:00 AM, which
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:14] surprised me. Why you answered, what did you think
Josh Janssen: [00:07:17] was going to happen? I was like, Oh, this is. So you
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:20] guys got calling for something. He's not just going to say what's up.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:24] Yeah. And so you cold and you're freaked out. Um, and you had a story.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:28] Yeah. And so last night I woke up at, um, 1130 couldn't sleep for an hour and a half, which is why I thought, fuck, I've definitely.
We've got some kind of post-traumatic
Josh Janssen: [00:07:36] stress. So that happened with me. So where that happened with me was when the fire was in our apartment block. And so you sort of end because the smell stays you sort of are on edge and the guy who started the fire next door to us a few years ago, he, do you remember?
He, um, came back after a few months. And accidentally cold our doorbell rather than she's one at like three in the morning. And then I got up in there like the next morning and berated him being like, where on edge, because your fucking apartment and burned down. And so, yeah, it is very like, especially in the evenings.
I've said this too, before you wake up during the night, you will feel like the world is ending. Well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:21] last night I live in 30. I just couldn't sleep at all I was thinking about was what happened. So. Uh, let's take you back. Um, the morning, I, the morning I called you, so that was 9:00 AM. Let's go back 9:30 PM.
The previous day, Saturday night was off to bed, uh, early one. Well, this is quite standard when you've got a kid and unless you want to push on a sandwich even on a Saturday. So I, um, so we got into bed, you know, it was a nice night, had the window cracked. So it was wide open, um, which, you know, are our bedrooms looking at to the street?
We kind of elevated a bit, which is nice. Makes you feel like you're a bit safer when you've just got a couple of meters between you and the floor, you and the ground what's underneath. It's just house it's on a sloped blocker. So the front of the house, you know, it shows you how much of a wedge, where actually someone
Josh Janssen: [00:09:14] get into window easily.
Very
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:16] tough. Okay. Would need a ladder that kind of up. Correct. So windows are open, gone to sleep houses, all locked up, which is standard. Bodies' in his room, which is awesome. And, uh, not off wake up. And it's very, very early. It's almost a middle of the night, you know, that's just so still no wind. You can actually hear everything outside, during, and
Josh Janssen: [00:09:43] there's less wind in the middle of the night.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:45] Uh, I think that a lot of the time the wind drops off at night. That's not to say that it can't be windy at night. Is it a light thing? Morning, time, less wind. Good to get out for a nice surf. I love surfing in the morning. Okay. And then the one you just picked out. Yeah. So from my studies of being out there in the water, if you get out for an early surf, the wind can, it can all change by 9:00 AM and it's windy.
So it was zero wind, which means you could hear everything and fuck, I heard something and what I heard was don't do them. So the front door imagined like a fly screen, just being pounded. And then someone yelling at the top of their lungs, Frankston police open up.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:31] I was going to go Cranbourne. Yeah. I could go Frankston, Cranbourne, Barrick, any Collingwood Collingwood place,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:40] open up search warrant, just like this.
Clear, um, aggressive, controlling voice. Don't don't do him Frankston police open up search warrant. It wasn't our house. If that's what you're thinking, we have a fly wire and it wasn't our place. Yeah. But line of sight across the road to this bloke's house is someone's smashing his door saying Frankston place, open up.
I'm thinking, Oh fuck, there's a ride happening. This guy's a bit dodgy. I now he's dodgy. He looks dodgy. I thought he was dodging when I moved in. And so I'm like, right. There's a fucking raid happening. Oh my God. I sit up. I'm completely node classy.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:21] And I'm just
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:22] looking at my window just wide. Open listening.
Boom, boom, boom. Frank's the plays are open up then his dog's going off and you hear him yelling and then he, then I hear this ref restrain your dog. We will shoot it. I'm like, Oh my God, fuck this. They've got their guns out. I wasn't looking at this time. I was just listening because I was like a bit pissed.
I'd had a few beers the day before and let's just be fucking foggy and Amy's walking up to, Oh my God. And so you hear a smash of a window? Gosh, like it's so distinct at night. No sound, no, no wind. And then I decided to get up and have a look next to me and I'm seeing. Three guys at the door, just like one's got this.
Um, is wheelie been clearing the glass to then crawl into the house? I'm thinking, Oh no, the dog's gone off. They can hear it now. And then they open the door and they all get in and he's still saying, ah, Frankston, Frankston police search warrant. And then for the next five or what could have been 10 minutes.
Times that have stopped. You just hear this sort of crunching of glass walking around this house, still yelling search warrant. And Amy and I are freaked out, like what the fuck's going on here? Well, of course this guy, Dan, to be getting raided, I said to Amy, what time is it? She said three 30, 3:30 AM in the morning.
And we just felt a bit funny about it, especially was like, what's going on? This seems unusual. It's called the place as well. And so I was like, ah, this place. And then I started feeling, it was a bit weird at 3:30 AM. And then all of a sudden you hear one of them yell out, officer Brian, it wasn't the nine that he used.
He used a different one, but it was like, it was a word it's like, you wouldn't question the officer's name that he yelled. And then all of a sudden you hit two to two and I see them all walking out. I get into the car and
Josh Janssen: [00:13:26] the car too. Do you think.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:28] So in a rush. Okay. In my mind, mate, these are cops. They've got to go off to another ride because this guy has done something he's not there or whatever it be, the person they're looking for.
Anyway, we were really freaked out about it. So we called the cops. And at this point, we're thinking they've gone. Maybe that wasn't the police, maybe that wasn't Frankston police. Doing a ride on the task. And so I got onto the operator and I told them the story. And at the point I said, I don't know if it was a place police cars drive past two cars.
I didn't see the car that they drove off in there. Like it was behind a Bush that was at, so I was out of my line of sight, but I saw the people walking out and it was completely quiet. No dog after we're like this guy's done. He's he's been shot or something's happened. I probably would have heard the shot, but I thought this, this guy's in trouble.
Yeah. So cops go past and I tell the person, I don't know if it was cops plot twist. It was not the police. This was three guys that went in making it out. Like they were the cops and righted this guy's house. Fuck, may I, at that point, that was like three 45. And then next minute, it's a crime scene.
Paramedics are there. Police are their real place detectives like these guys. And did
Josh Janssen: [00:14:45] you go out or do you have clothes on
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:46] by this point? At this point I whacked a hoodie on nice little cut in number, no pants. I had, I had shorts on, but I was barefoot. And so I walked out thinking, fuck, like we were spot on like w we cottoned onto it.
After the fact I was convinced it was police for majority of it until it sort of just went a bit funny and it's still. It just felt wrong. And so I walked up to one of the detectives and it's so funny how blahzay that is, and it's the middle of the night. And it's like, uh, I saw all that. I mean, I couldn't really see, I couldn't see anything.
So other than just relaying what I've told you. I couldn't tell them much more than that. Yeah. But I saw it all, heard it all, all the neighbors heard it all, but were any other
Josh Janssen: [00:15:31] neighbors
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:31] out? Yeah. Well at the front door and surroundings when you're talking to them? No, I didn't. I didn't. I texted my mate who got spoken to, we lived across the road.
I texted him later on. When I, when I saw him leave for work early. How many cop cars?
Josh Janssen: [00:15:46] Three who have their lights on?
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:49] Not just light, just light, pushing out lights so they could see. But no other than when they came to the property, but no sirens or anything. And then it was a crime scene for like the next 12 hour type.
Where did they tape? It? Taped it from a tree onto a house around the whole house of this, one of the actual house. But then I saw the dirty, it came out. It wasn't limping. Like he was there and I was his dog who knows it was alive. I could hear it. And so. Th the creepiest thing is, I mean, it's all just fucking creepy at the point that there's people out there doing this shit that aren't police, but are saying they are.
And so I just haven't been able to fucking shake the thought of it and what happened and then it not being random. I don't think it was random. There was a bunch of assumptions I've made the interesting thing. When you talked to the place. They don't tell you anything. I just want them to be like, bro, here's what happened.
He's like, yeah. They just like, tell me what happened, blah, blah, blah. And like, I still haven't confirmed that. It wasn't placed. I just know it wasn't police cause the police came after, but they won't tell you anything. Yeah. It's a very interesting, and so the reason I wanted I was talking about now is because nothing's happened.
Nothing's no one's called me about it. I think they had my number and that was speaking to me, you know? Nothing's happened. It's crazy. Isn't it? And I feel like that was so violent. I don't know what happened. You could say violence is so someone's, you know, severely injured, which I don't. I think he was, it's always brazen a violent, a violent breakup.
Like it was fucking next level, dude. Like my heart, I was going so hard and I'm so lucky he didn't. Yeah, but we were like a kids kid-friendly straight, you know, all these in their toe. Like I had to stop one of the cops going to the next door neighbor. I was like, man, you will kill. You will give that guy a heart attack.
He's that old? And it's 3:45 AM. Don't go into his house. And so then he came over from me, which I kind of wanted it at that point, but I didn't, I couldn't get back to sleep. So I was out from three 45.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:56] Like, so that was on the, on the day. And so you're not sleep. So you woke up, so coffees two weeks later, much.
It hasn't been two weeks. It's been a week and it's only
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:06] been a week over a week. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:18:09] And so what's the, um, what's the feeling when you wake up? Is it at the doors locked or the
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:18] dumpster? Yeah, I'm literally doing all the security. Just ramp that up. Got my security camera called Trevor. Thanks to Trevor long nickname that Trevor is keeping guard.
But other than that, like last night, just hearing the dude's dog bark and then. And then I was just standing at the window looking for fucking
Josh Janssen: [00:18:37] torch. No, no, no, no, no. I don't want to shine
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:40] it. Amy literally opened the door to go out when it happened. I said, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Dark. Because I was like, if it is police, they don't need our help.
If it isn't a place you don't want to have fucking anything to do with those
Josh Janssen: [00:18:55] chants. I mean, uh, I sent you a video over the weekend, cause I know you sometimes like Gore stuff or you have, you've said that to me before where it's like, Oh yeah, have you seen the video of the car accident or whatever? It's this
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:08] one, the one that did happen, but I'm, I'm getting worse in my older, I actually watching Gore stuff.
I struggle.
Josh Janssen: [00:19:16] Oh, like, as in you struggle watching it, I struggle
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:18] watching it struggle, I think is
Josh Janssen: [00:19:21] also, I think that's a good response. I went down the rabbit hole of watching, um, defense videos and it's all like, um, I think it was Eric and it's maybe coming off dash cams or watching no, it's cops. You now watch cops the other day.
And so now I'm just getting all this gun-related stuff and there was the one where it's like neighbors fighting, arguing. And, um, a neighbor just goes inside, gets a gun shoots both of them in
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:48] the head, which I think a couple of questions you might have for me. Did I film it? No, I didn't. Which is fucking unusual for me.
Like I'm usually onto it, but I was so rattled by it happening. Which seems weird because maybe I didn't feel like I needed to film it because it was the cops, which was so and so, so
Josh Janssen: [00:20:06] maybe the thing
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:06] is, so you I'm actually glad I didn't film it cause I would be watching it nonstop. It'd be painted. It's already fucking like, um, what do you call it?
Like etched into my brain. Don't you
Josh Janssen: [00:20:18] think that sometimes, so like you have a different, like my default in those circumstances, I know that I'm going to be useless except filming it's so ingrained that you like yeah. I get the camera straightaway. No,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:32] I am, you know, I film a lot. Yeah. But for some reason I just decided not to.
And I was
Josh Janssen: [00:20:37] like, it's the middle of the night, if you haven't so rattled. When I was living in Collingwood, there were probably half a dozen. Serious incidents that happened. And we were on level five. So we were sort of away from it, but I'm not as a guy calling triple zero, but like we had the guy on Victoria street getting stabbed, you know, all that sort of stuff.
And sorry.
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:57] Um, you need to film that one though. Cause that was pretty
Josh Janssen: [00:20:59] serious. Yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:01] that's a good point. But the thing was serious, dude. It makes you think twice. You like,
Josh Janssen: [00:21:05] it's like when you're in the, so there's a big difference. I think, between the safety of being up in your apartment and being able to like be on a balcony and film versus you're in the scene, you're in the street.
Like, so that guy it's like, but it's also hard because some of these things when someone's being injured or whatever, it's a medical. Issue as well. Like, you know, they're fucking, Oh, like, are we going to have to do something like, this seems something seems more distasteful of filming someone when someone's being injured versus say, um, I filmed the, the Mac pack Ram, right.
Where cars were slamming into it, intuition. It seems
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:41] just like dummies, trying to break into a hard thing to get into. But this was like a guy was in there serious, like three people storm in the joints. Yeah. Yelling. And then when, as soon as you work out that it wasn't cops, it's like, it adds another layer that it's eerie.
You like. What were they doing inside? What were they looking for? Why did they do it? Why that house? So many questions, which I'm sure the detectives okay. Get trying to get to the bottom of it. Does it make you
Josh Janssen: [00:22:09] want it? Cause you've spoken about wanting to be a cop saying that thing. Does it make you want to be a cop or be like at a, can't be fucked with this drama.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:19] Nah. I mean, I do think I could be great cop. I'd probably be the best cop.
Josh Janssen: [00:22:25] Sorry, Bree I'm on high street on Friday. I'm in Windsor, just outside parang grocer had a, uh, uh, three, there were three chicks, uh, and two of them were basing the shit out of another cheek on the ground blood everywhere, guy from an architect firm.
Next to the grocer came out, started helping the go. I had to fucking actually throw punches. Really? The sh yeah, these chicks were fucking feral seems like drug related or whatever. But the thing is that you do realize that when things happen, the cops take a while to get there. Like
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:10] I, I used the collection though, so just, um, The cops were at the scene within four or five minutes after these people who had left.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:22] How long do you think the whole incident went for?
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:24] Um, uh, around about 15 minutes. And so the thing is maybe as soon as you 10 minutes of the time that they're there, if you heard glass smash.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:35] Surely someone at that point, even if they didn't hear the whole Frankston police or whatever they would, if you hear glass mushy will call.
Um, and so maybe there's a difference too, around, Hey, there's glass that's being smashed.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:49] Um, yeah. That's where I'm who called, who called it in.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:53] But then you do have to, like, I think where I've landed on all this defense stuff I'm watching. There is an appeal. When, you know, you're talking about getting, doing some form of jujitsu or something like that.
I do, I wonder w for one what's involved. So
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:10] what I don't like and sweaty and rolling around and dripping sweat into each other's faces. So the thing is
Josh Janssen: [00:24:15] the only you've got it. Keep in mind that the last real fitness experience that you and I have had together is us walking around fitness first Richmond.
And it's just a, it's a bit of a sane, it's a bit of a, um, you know, you gotta be there, you know, like it's, uh, it's the closest thing to a nightclub without going to a nightclub.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:37] And so. Uh, martial arts. Are they saying
Josh Janssen: [00:24:41] no? Yeah. So w like, what's the, I wonder what the, cause the only martial arts. So what do you think the culture cause you did martial arts in you?
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:50] I did, I did, um, more Thai for many years. There's a culture around more tie that's that? Can be a bit aggressive, tough people, whereas I haven't done jujitsu, but I've got mates that have done it. And
Josh Janssen: [00:25:06] can you talk me through a class of my tie
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:10] starts out just some stretching, skipping shadow boxing, depending if we're doing pad work, we might start doing some in a partner up do some Frank kicks.
So roundhouse kicks might start low, go sort of midway rotate, do some pad work. You know, that's about it. Yeah. Bag work depends on where you're at. Then you can do some sparring sessions. But my point is, I think, um, the, there, I think there's probably a bit of a difference between culture of jujitsu and the culture of kickboxing jiu-jitsu is very controlled, but also medicine, if you meant like you tap, so you stop as soon as someone's feeling pain or they can't get out of the position, you can tap.
So you, but then. I don't know that I was looking at trying to find a place to do jujitsu. And there was one, it was like,
Josh Janssen: [00:26:03] this one does, is this the appeal or not the appeal I get when you listen so
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:10] much to someone, but it's now it's so much more popular than when
Josh Janssen: [00:26:14] Joe Rogan made it more
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:15] popular though.
Brazilian jujitsu is extremely fucking popular. I think it's hard to
Josh Janssen: [00:26:22] find places in Melbourne now,
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:24] but I think Joe, Joe Rogan has definitely brought a lot of attention to it. He's one of his best friends is a guy who's started 10th planet jujitsu, which is like a school or a way of training. Like that has become very popular based on that.
But like Sam Harris. Um, it's like Sam Harris, doesn't it? Yeah, he does it. He does digit. So, um, Lex fried fried guy, he's like a black belt in jujitsu. It looks like it turned
Josh Janssen: [00:26:52] the thing about it looks like an FBI agent. Why does he always work
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:57] smart scientists? The thing is that to be good at it, or to have your black belt.
You need to consistently do it for 10 years. And so I think that's where it's like, I think about how popular nowadays is just sticking at something should start small, just everyday chip away. It's the same with a martial art, something like, um, jujitsu, you will get much better slowly and it takes you like get on quick.
Do you know
Josh Janssen: [00:27:25] what the different, like.
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:27] What the belt, you can get your black belt quicker than 10 years. You could get it. I think someone might tell me three or four years, if you were just like a freak. And so
Josh Janssen: [00:27:35] what are they looking at when they're doing it? Like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:39] Oh, some of the best videos that will make you cry is, um, people receiving their black belts.
Joe Rogan, you can watch him getting his black belt from Andy Bravo's crying. You can watch, um, Israel at a who's a New Zealand fighter. Who's very big at the moment, him getting like a purple belt as there's all these standard or bad. It's not your black belt, but it's, it's getting there. Um, and it's so funny because that one he's like.
They set up to do a, a position where he's like, imagine me sitting on the ground and my bum, my knees sort of up my feet on the ground. And then you sort of nestled into me and do the same. And then I'm over the top. And this guy like tricks him and gets you in. He gets him in front is like, okay, so what we're going to do here?
And then he just whips out the belt in front of you.
Josh Janssen: [00:28:32] So you don't know when you go in together,
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:34] it's decided upon. By the, the coach, the, um, and so what's the, what they call them at the not like, what do I need to be good
Josh Janssen: [00:28:43] at? Or anyone, anyone that wants to try it? Like, are they looking at technique how you came
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:50] the belt system?
Yeah. There's no kicking in jujitsu. Why is that funny? Because it just seems funny that you think that jujitsu's kicking what's jujitsu. It's all on the ground. It's it's the closest thing it's wrestling, I guess. Submissions bars,
Josh Janssen: [00:29:06] leg locks. There's a great video. There's a great video of a, because there's defensing.
What they do is any time something big happens like a robbery or whatever. This guy who's like wearing a red polo shirt, you can actually buy them online, but they do much, um, Deconstructs the whole thing and says, you know, they didn't create a defensive fence. They didn't do this. They didn't do that. Oh, fuck.
Them watched like three hours of it, um, over the weekend. And, um, one of the great ones actually sent it to you. Did you watch the one with the high school kid? No. So there's one where it's like, um, these, uh, somewhere in South America, I think, uh, at a petrol station guy tries to abduct three kids. Uh, the mother and the kids run into a shop.
Uh, the guy starts like that. They like trying to close the shop. The guy gets in and is like punching people and all that sort of thing. And this big guy actually reminded me of conspiracy Jimmy school kid who just won the wrestling, like amateur wrestling or whatever in his, um, you know, the high school wrestling.
And he's a town came in. Grabs the guy and just lie, like lies on him just on it and just holds him until the police arrive. Yeah, it was amazing because it actually, it's very hard having watched all these, uh, defensive videos, hard to keep someone down who doesn't want to be kept down,
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:33] unless you, unless you are really good at jujitsu, but this is the thing, like most people don't know how to, I could, I would struggle like corrections struggle.
Well, like, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:42] Like corrections officers or whatever. Like there's a, a guy
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:45] who I think there's a difference between, so if there was two people and someone who knew jujitsu and like, you're in trouble, you're trying to think about this other, guy's going to keep me in the fucking head. Cause it's, if you get someone into a chokehold and it's actually sunk in there.
Fuck.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:01] Yeah. Yeah. So it would be nice that like I do, um, just the, the anxiety level, just thinking about.
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:11] Having to submerge in a culture to learn something you're totally right. Jujitsu is a, you're rolling around with men straddled on each other, just at that moment. It just who's doing that. Who's who is like in your personal sweat.
And so that's where people either hate it or fucking, really enjoy it. Yeah. I think I haven't done it yet, so I can't tell you, I really want to do it. I need to get in. I want to find the right. Yeah. What's the, like,
Josh Janssen: [00:31:39] what's the first session. So this is the thing, like this is doing an, a shtick, all of a sudden, like, this is where the, if you had a, I'm going to go do some, if you're big enough in the documentary space where it's like, Oh, I'm going to become a jujitsu expert over the next 10 years, I'm going to do a documentary.
I wrote a black belt. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be, that'd be good with that. That would be great. I love to,
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:02] I'd love to see you as a black belt. This just very calm. Just, yeah, I'll check that guy out.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:10] It it's good having that as an option, but the thing is that what I've learned from a lot of the defensive stuff is it's, uh, reducing escalation.
So it's rather than, so if you watch the people who are. Really strong. I remember this in basketball. Um, there was a guy who like, when I would court announce, there was a guy who had like a black belt and what
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:32] man, probably karate. I remember people had their black belts two years ago. It wasn't jujitsu.
It was always karate for us.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:39] Yeah. And so what's, what's the difference? Do you know a completely different model? What does that, what does that, so martial art, do you know what is a martial art?
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:47] Oh, I don't, I don't know the definition of a art, but it's karate. Is I think Japanese, I
Josh Janssen: [00:32:54] have no idea. And so when he went, but I remember it was interesting because it's almost like, um, did you have mates that were, uh, bounces and if you had a
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:04] capita was a bouncer.
Oh, that's what I did know a bunch of others. So
Josh Janssen: [00:33:07] if you had to secure, if you had a mate. Was like, um, had a martial art or whatever, and was, uh, had this security thing. Like I remember a guy that would do all them and, you know, Paris Hilton came out of whatever he was like there, um, her a body guard. Yeah.
You can lose your like security license if you beat the shit out of someone just on the straight. And so there's that whole thing around, like, I remember the basketball, they like, Oh, watch out Bob. I was going to put, yeah, well I
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:35] think, yeah. I think it'd be nice. I would say that I haven't done. I haven't just from meeting people who have been great at jujitsu, different vibe to those who have been graded kickball.
Karate is different. Yeah. I reckon karate's in the same. Yeah. Same field as, um, jujitsu in that it's like, you don't really know if someone's got it, but usually if someone's wearing tap out. Pants that could kick. I could fucking head kick you.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:06] Yeah, maybe
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:06] it's a, um, but it is a real Saint. I was at, um, uh, this sports aquatic center in our park and there was a jujitsu tournament on, but you just got a sense of the culture.
What
Josh Janssen: [00:34:16] was the, what was the
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:17] vibe lane lane like button a bit quite sort of quite kind of happy,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:25] good core strength could a posture.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:28] It's you know what, if you'll, if you'll. If you're lonely and you don't have a great deal of friends it's chance that, that there could be you martial line. It could be, I'm just trying to embed yourself in something like a martial art.
It is amazing. Like I used to spend four, five days a week training, kickboxing and I, the people and you just, the team it's fucking sick. And so for some people, yeah. Okay. There was like the head coach that I was always like, Oh, wow. It's guy, Nick, Kara. Who is he? Oh, he's an animal. Look him up. Um, special K Nick, Cara, who was an Epic kickboxer Muay Thai kickboxer.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:12] And so you laughed at me before about saying the kicking in jujitsu. So jeans it's jujitsu's on the ground. He was saying no.
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:23] You stand up, but there's no, you're not throwing punches. And so are you stand, it can be standing wrestling. You could wrestle up top. Like you're just trying to help many people get under
Josh Janssen: [00:35:31] arms.
Just like, I'm always worried about my shoulder getting dislocated. You reckon that would happen. There's a high
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:35] chance. Okay. But you, can you tap in? I dunno, we should all
Josh Janssen: [00:35:38] do it when I've got a fucking dislocated. Yeah, I think there's, there's definitely, yeah. We need to work out a way of doing it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:48] For content?
No. Then
Josh Janssen: [00:35:50] just as a way that, where it's, um, like I remember doing a, do
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:54] you to do a video of it. I'm sure we could get the place I want to start going to is, um, uh, MMA. It's something, um, it's in Collingwood, but they do it. They do, they do a certain type of, um, did you too, and. I'm sure we could get one of the trainers and a time when we're not, and he can just
Josh Janssen: [00:36:15] run us through some boats.
I remember Helena Grady drama school doing that as a kid. So it was, I can say no. So after school, like, you know, you could play sport or whatever, which I did. I played, you know, basketball table tennis or trying tennis never actually applied, um, play court, very annoying features. Uh, but, um, yeah, drama score.
I remember just feeling a little bit, like I was expecting that I was going to be acting and we'd be playing these games. I'm like, this is all a bit childish
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:48] for me. No, what it is though, the feeling of, uh, self concern, going to these things, it's easy go like, but I, I feel the exact, I'm like, fuck, I'm going to have to meet all these people.
I'm going to have to like, Um, you know, show the status of I'm a newbie. Like you want to get to, you see how, how comfortable it would be if you were a black belt and you were amongst them in the light CrossFit you're in.
Josh Janssen: [00:37:14] But a friend of mine was saying, she's going to start like in a swim squad. That sounds like the same, like a swim squad.
But you think about us swim squads in high school, or like just being an adult and starting at a swim squad. Was that tyke that's like martial arts in your undo in like your bathers.
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:35] Well, it's probably less invasive. Like it's less personal space being invited. There is something I think there's probably something good in the experience of starting something like a martial art and having that feeling of you have to listen to somebody there's someone better than you.
You, you know, your place because you are at the very,
Josh Janssen: [00:37:56] can you say why this is hard for me a
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:58] hundred percent. I see why it's hard. Um, like it's just the, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:38:04] That's why growth is like exactly. If you can get through that, if you can get through that, you know what, like this isn't funny because I think that the.
I would be looking at all the funny bits of which is
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:16] like, this is your mechanism though. Cause you, you, you, you're not worried about looking silly. And then you're like, I look silly in this fucking silly outfit. Like you could know, but what I'm seeing your dialogue on yourself, you're like, yeah, I don't, I'm not, you see somebody that looks cool in their fucking gay.
They've got their black belt tied up and they're just looking like that. Fuck you up. Yeah. That's not you,
Josh Janssen: [00:38:39] but what about like, um, so we did a, um, uh, a workshop with Michael Bungay Stanier. Oh yeah. And that had the same sort of like, you know, going up, remember I got up on stage or whatever at the front and got coached.
Um, and then like, you know, I,
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:54] I didn't feel Matt like the incident across the road. Cause it was so fucking trolling.
Josh Janssen: [00:39:00] But then during the coup then. Everyone deconstructs what they learned from the coaching thing. And then someone just like, Oh, I think that Josh is the real problem here. Fuck you. Fuck you, whoever you
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:12] are.
We stayed around after we fucked them up
Josh Janssen: [00:39:16] that experience. Right. Which is like, it's, it's almost like I remember. So when I was a kid, I did, um, VCA film and TV school sort of thing in the evenings on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And I was the youngest guy there. All these, um, adults learning about filmmaking and just the culture.
The, I remember like doing a screenwriting, like a, um, what is it called? Like after hours? Like at like a TAFE sort of thing, like learning about screenwriting and or older people. Cause it's like, what did they call that after hours? What's it called? Like out of hours anyway, evening, like an evening course.
And, um, there is sort of that thing if like, Oh, you know what, like, yeah, let's go to the pub, everyone, you know, after the screenwriting course, you'd go pub and hang out. And I was signed to brands. Like, remember, remember I actually, like I did that. You went to the park, just sit just with like a little Coke, zero and just be chatting or whatever.
And I just, I just don't have it in me.
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:21] Why just because I'd rather be harmed.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:26] But I love travel. So this is what's confusing. I like traveling. And then I do, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:32] that's your everyday life versus, you know, you at home life here in Australia versus traveling, you
Josh Janssen: [00:40:40] could you imagine doing a course? So for instance, could you imagine learning, you're going to learn Spanish and you can do an evening course night school.
Maybe that's what it's called you do. You're doing night school learning Spanish, and then afterwards. You all go out to the bar and have a drink? Maybe your manager.
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:58] Yeah, I could. I probably wouldn't have him with Spanish. It'd be more at jujitsu.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:04] You're going to have a drink after you just know you had a knife, maybe that's the whole thing.
Like you pick the culture.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:12] It is health. Like the exercise one is great. There is something in it. I just seems like what we're talking about is just being totally uncomfortable. And pushing through because you will get to, I remember being in a position where I would go to kickboxing feel great. Yeah. Now everyone, I hated the footie club though.
It's not the same footy clubs have a certain type of certain vibe.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:36] Do you remember match reports, nightclubs and match reports watching the game back? So they would like, um, I think would happen on a Sunday night and the parents would, you know, or drink or whatever, and now they would go through, uh, every.
Like a year level or whatever, or whatever sort of age group and say, okay, you know, the, the under twelves plague, nary Warren, ah, the scores were six, seven 42 to eight, nine 38. Uh, the boys did a great job on the ground. Uh, you know, special mention. To Josh Janssen for, um, you know, he saw kicking his first goal,
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:16] running water we've fucking
Josh Janssen: [00:42:18] saved.
And, but it was, yeah, it was a real thing. And you'd get like a MCAS certificate. Like you'd get to go to Mackers and that's
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:26] your childhood.
Josh Janssen: [00:42:29] There's a bunch of adults there that are all too. And so the thing is there is, but then there was also like, uh, my parents would go to trivia nights or they'd go to like, um, So someone would know if I can, um, what's his name?
Russell Gilbert. And so Russell Gilbert would be fucking doing comedy and he'd bring his mates or whatever, and that all, you know, cash job, um, in endeavor Hills,
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:50] your parents go into the swing is not. Yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:42:52] but is isn't it the same thing? Like it's um, yeah, it's interesting. But like, does that, like, could you imagine going to a trivia trivia night?
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:02] Oh, I've got no interest in that. I'd rather something where I'm physically doing
Josh Janssen: [00:43:06] what would be an example of that swing is not
Yeah. And so would you be wanting to do the jujitsu thing for a while? So, I mean, I've just said it. For the first time today that it's like, Oh, that sounds interesting. But it feels like you all thinking it's like you saying, Oh, I'm thinking of like joining the computer club down the road. Cause I like it it's it seems like you should be doing it.
So when you work it out,
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:35] yeah. I'm having dinner tomorrow night with a friend who has done jujitsu for many years. And so
Josh Janssen: [00:43:41] you just do it. It's a, it's a thing for life is that
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:44] while a lot of these people do it. For life.
Josh Janssen: [00:43:47] Wonder if it fixes you, I've got sore scaps, like
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:50] anything there's conditioning class, that's a class.
Isn't just, Hey, we're just going to wrestle the house. It's like, you have to do exercise. It's a V you know, the last
Josh Janssen: [00:44:00] time I did something like this was joining a CrossFit gym and, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:09] had that guy well,
Josh Janssen: [00:44:11] yeah. It, uh, it was interesting. Yeah. Like I did you have moments of, yeah, like I'm a PA, like you, everyone's got their mates and you'd get the vibe and you understand what's going on and you get in there and everyone's like, ah, you
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:26] got lights.
Of course the club thing getting into may go into a jujitsu place is I feel the same as school going to a new school. You have to make friends and you will make, you don't have to, but you will. Gravitate towards certain people when you're all kind of sussing each other out. I don't know, but there's no way around it other than just leaning in
Josh Janssen: [00:44:47] basketball, joining a basketball team, but it's not giving you any of that same stuff, but
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:52] I remember the random person's basketball team.
No,
Josh Janssen: [00:44:55] like I think our basketball team would be very easy to create.
Tommy Jackett: [00:44:58] Yeah, but then it's your mates and then you come from straight away, but it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't give you that. Anyway, it will say if you've got any suggestions of somewhere in sort of around the Collingwood Elliott area, I feel like I need to make it convenient.
Yeah. There is one out in my lane. There's one in temple Stowe. There's a Gracie jujitsu,
Josh Janssen: [00:45:16] the daily talk show.com. If you've got any suggestions on what classes we should join, maybe it shouldn't take Jay, give Spanish crack we'll sit in America guys. Have a good one. Ah, SI SI SI. Uh, what is it? I, I met now, um, Buffalo on chocolate.
I don't know. Sorry guys. Bye bye.