#761 – Cancel Culture/
- June 15, 2020
We chat about last week’s Friday Night Drinks, where Mr. 97 will be this time next week, sending 50,000 spam emails, cancel culture and what happens when you’re cancelled.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Last week’s Friday Night Drinks
– This time next week
– Listening to news podcasts before work
– Sending 50,000 spam emails
– 15 Minutes of Shame
– Cancel culture
– What happens when you’re cancelled
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It's the daily Talk Show episode. 761 Hey guys, what's going on? Happy Happy Monday.
That's, I feel like I mean, Friday night was great.
It's I mean, I'm no spring chicken anymore. I feeling old this morning.
You did that whole thing where it's been many many years that I've experienced this. Yeah, when you go to a party, and then there's like a group of people all leaving at the same time. It's like, Oh, where are you? Where are
these guys? Oh my god, they're alien. They're leaving a party to go party some more. So yeah, I mean, the thing is, I can't help but like what crazy shit is
for my shade. I was just thinking like, what are they up to? Like I associate it with like drugs and old G's and like, when you don't get invited to
At the next party you like, some crazy jewellery audit. You said no, I heard you pray What? I'm up to this and you're like, nah. So it was back. Always invited. The invite was
Mason saying, Where are you guys gonna say Oh, going back to you guys do you guys
just fine I loved I thought this is great that that TJ, you know, who's a dad doesn't get much time to go out on a Friday night going back to Ryan man's place? Well it's, you know haven't been like stars have to align for me to have a night out. And it's, that's, I think it's fair. That's just what you take on when you become a father. And Amy was taking Bodhi out the next morning to go and hang out with a friend. So I knew that which meant I knew I could, you know, have some fun. And so that's exactly what happened. But you know, so what would you do?
And so it was we had Friday night drinks. Yeah. And then we just went out, went back to Romans and hang out after the thing. The point being is is this make your deviant if you think there's some sort of orgy going on after you use that word take your mind out of the gutter never happened and then other parties happen so back in the day six parties date and then you'd hear about a party on the way home
you know this George
Mason was amazed that there was a party on after a party Yeah, does that party well I cuz I got I got home and I was facetiming grace. And I kept cuz I was I had no idea but grace of saying that I kept asking where you were and if you got Homer. Well, you told me what Yeah, yeah, I just because I remember I just remember being on find my friends because I knew Josh was like you go home, and I was like wastage. I was like, I hope he gets hard like
tagging them to revolver
that would blow your socks off. Anyway, um, I wanted to do a little. We had a great time one of the So you went to Yes. Did you What happened? Everyone was what? Got you? He invited you. There wasn't enough room in the car.
Sure, actually, you can only have three and an Uber. Really hot seat in the front. So yeah, the guide led us, Rachel. Pretty sure we did. From what I recall rules, Laurie? Yeah. So my son was gonna leave and then we ended up walking home. But before before you talk about what you can talk about, I was just gonna say the Friday night drinks. It was a little bit of a clusterfuck because we we rushed to get a set up. And so we just put a camera on the tripod. It was this wide angle shot. And the way that it was set up was like with zoom. The thing that is great about zoom is you are front on. It's like the shots we have here so you're nice and close. And you feel like you're part of it.
There's a lot of empathy. But the way that it looked like a security camera that we had set out, yeah. And so the feedback was it was like watching other people have a party. And I was, so I was there talking. Yeah, thing like I, you know, just capable engage. I was interested in whatever I was up to. I hadn't seen the gronk in a while. And then I started playing music. And then the chat was saying, I don't want music I want like, we should be talking. Yeah. And so I turned the music down and started talking again. And then there was a criticism of it looks like we're just watching a party. Yeah. And at that point, I was like, I was half pierced, which we This isn't a regular thing I don't like as a brand value. I don't want us to become Yeah, the guys that are just getting, like, just a dirty workplace where there's just people falling down stairs, which
was never the case. Well, we could have fallen
I mean, you've tried to jump over. I mean, it's
fallen down the stairs, looking on your phone and sprained your ankle. No booze involved. Yeah. But it was changes already there. There was because there was the the episode where we did all the gene like there was a lot going on a lot last week was Yeah. And so it was a big week. We got off. We said, Yeah, maybe we should add on Wednesday.
Yeah, but if it's written off for a month from the Tuesday when you come back after a long weekend, it's still ride off, continuing. And so anyway, I just wanted to say, yeah, the Friday night drinks in that format, does it have to be reworked? Yeah. I mean, this is what the I have been thinking a lot about. The so how do you feel about the isolation time? Like it's it's becoming now a memory, right, it's like we're not leaving it at this point. I think that there was, I mean, if you're looking on it fondly, some people probably like I lost every
And what is the worst time ever, as in going into isolation, lost COVID-19 no job, or money gone lost everything to us to a degree of having to build back up lost a job, which can feel like you've lost everything. Because it does remove a lot. But my point being it like driving in no traffic. I really enjoyed, sort of like the pressure, the old pressures that you were experiencing prior to it. were, you know, relieved or just, you could forget about them. It was a moment in time, and that's what I was thinking. It's like, you know what's happened?
Friday night drinks with the gronk was like being on a holiday. We're on Hamilton Island. We're getting pizza every night. We're like, Let's catch up when we're back in Melbourne.
Actually, I don't like any of you.
Not that I feel that way. But that's how I was gauging the way maybe I felt like I was being my normal
All south. For them people like when people say this is back and boring or someone say that it was it was very happy. Did someone say that? Because the words are powerful words. tone is powerful. How do you get gauge tone on text? Yeah, that's, well, the chat. My point is it's you, you know when something feels. So that's a criticism that I get commonly which is, I will communicate what you've said based on time, not what you've actually said. Which is, that tone is representation to be honest. Because all we have Emma. Emma's the friend, she's always she's always smiling, and I couldn't even tell like, we talked about the snake Who told you this? Snake. You couldn't turn your frown upside down. No, no, I was just like God and 97 had a smile on his face the whole night. He was enjoying himself a lot. No, look, I agree. I agree. It's a it's a
It's, you know, a
piece of time,
a moment in time, that is no longer isolation. It's not like it's not a thing. Now, most people are going back or they're still working from home, but it's like it is a different vibe. As soon as you have the option of going to a real pub with the real nice. No, I get it. But I enjoy. I enjoyed the not. But I'm Well, I think that you, I think that where we went wrong was we had two tables set up. And so what I thought was going to happen was, we were all going to go around the white table where the microphones and headphones were, I end so I can't do two things at once. Yeah, and so I'm like, it's almost like I'm on stage like him saying like, oh, how's everyone's night bang. And there was another conversation going around the big wooden table so I understand I apologise to the gronk 's. And actually, like, I love everyone that was on there.
I would hang out
In real life, it was it was a great analogy minus the bid at the end. Where I did them. Yes. Because we don't know. But it was a great analogy. The vibe you get when you are on holidays. And then it's like, which I actually have never had. I've never allowed that to I, I know that people make holiday friends. I've done that so many times. Really? Yeah. So many times any that you've kept or not really like those, like, a few months of like, catching up every now and then. And then it just slowly drifts away to Windows. Yeah.
Even on nights out, not to a guy with his friends. Oh, I got one guy specifically, like a couple of big nights teaching music festival, you know, just into the wee hours. And then if I same, it's like my, we went to school together, your 10 year old a year 11. And it's like, you know, you form a real strong connection quickly. But it isn't that. Yes, that's not really a bit different. That's not real. Especially when
alcohols involved. Everyone loves everyone. And so what did happen at the other party? more alcohol? More pot and more talking or listening to music? fac your dad? What was the like? Wave Mr. couch? Was there any food? I think I think as it gets into further into the night no one's really missing out like what is what's assigned nothing good happens after after nine. usually goes to like, after the one I am Mark is when Sally got late Did you I got home before within the 12 hour I thought that was reasonable or really you go home before midnight? within the 12 hour. What does that mean? That make between 12 and 1215 Ah, okay, so
before before we get to 12 out Yeah, make simple one. Now it's just hanging out just chatting. Great to hang out with Rory and Danny. team building. Love those guys. Yeah, team building Josh. The team building will building like, I thought we did a great job of building. Yeah, we're more here inside the
Second bit just moving in yeah yeah I was applying the you know the roof and the doors all the accessories
everyone was pretty cooked after nice doesn't get was that that was the most popular bang Do you reckon more than la yeah yeah yeah get three braid doesn't even really drink and she was I mean we would arms around each other was hugging the whole time I was JB Hump Day right
it was a full cold
did feel like a talk as we're walking
Florida yet Oreo Oreo with the
with the chocolate Yes that's it JJ classic but I dropped my spin on the ground did not
know Josh gave me the other thing is
and the thing was it was just really
It was the traffic the the next traffic light from the McDonald's
was a buffet Yeah. For home mcflurry Yeah, man they're pretty. They drank it. Yeah.
Oh god Um, so this time next week, Sam's will be on annual leave. I've got to put in the put into accounting software today but in the current more important, it's a big big wake free. Yeah, well, I mean, my weekend continued because I I went and got a
big weekend. Like that's pretty funny.
Now what well, so I got a haircut.
I think spine really noticed.
I thought you guys have done a little fade. Okay, yeah, the front side, front side side. You can't really say from the front, but um, no, I did that and did a bit of a clean out. So yeah, everything's everything's getting ready, but I can't look it look on my neck. What's happening?
That's got a bit of gravel like a rash from the shaver. No, I didn't even shave. What's happened? You've scratched yourself? No, I don't know what it is in the night. You've scratched yourself. It's been there for over 24 hours Hickey.
Now it looks like a shaving scratch. I didn't shave. I think he's got a scrub Thea might have been the hairdresser. The Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. Anyway.
Yeah, but not next week will be in black area at the beach house. And so he is right. When you leaving on a Monday, or terms. It's Yeah, Monday.
I don't know in the morning, I guess. Maybe we'll go down and get some like supplies from from Friday, like Saturday and Sunday. The weekend will continue for you.
might be really long weekend. For saves. It saves girlfriends moving from Perth, which is very exciting. Have you. Have you planned anything? Or are you just giving yourself this week to plan stuff? No, you're not planning and I've explained that's the better option.
Feel like it'd just be nice to hang out. See what happens. Plans are good. Like having something like it's like we can go for a walk. Like we can decide on the day if we want to go for a walk or down to the beach. Like it's like going to school. If there was nothing planned, you'd end up just hanging out doing nothing. Then it's Sam, you need something. I think it's like in in my relationship.
It's my fifth year wedding anniversary. I think that's right. Today, no, next month, July and so, but I was thinking about that in the shower. Yesterday morning. And I was like, if we don't have something planned, it will just be No, we won't do anything. So it's like, I push back on planning too far in advance. It's so much better. Like I wish that I planned what I was doing with Bray for 30th because I ended up fucking running around. Yeah. Trying to sort everything out. Exactly. So heaps of favours and just like people like when is it? It's like it's tomorrow.
Thanks so much like you can if you plan now you could get things sent from
like shipped from China like you could
even like the for the wedding anniversary you could do something big relating to crafts but get great prices on all the pink. So this is just running around didn't pay full price for like, like for instance it is. Maybe it's not open or that's another thing. It's COVID-19 time stuff he's opening back up like the financial hotsprings it's open it's open. It's open. Have you booked? No. I would look at it Yeah, I started not being it not being there. Probably Can I just have a lot of people Yeah, no, literally I just sort of thing on Facebook saying there that they're open but only taking bookings. Yeah, I don't think directing grace would be into hotsprings made easy. What do you mean it's quite nice. I fucking hate like, taking your top off where
she's from. She loves going to the beach in Paris.
You like going to the beach and you like water? You love the fucking hot springs winter. Go early in the morning. It's like, you know, hot you know steaming off the top. It's like there's this heel. I know. You're not sleeping. Well, Grace was saying she's not into
what's the hot things that you know and so on? It's not a sauna sauna. Yeah, but yeah, it's a sauna without a roof. No.
Have you ever been in a spa? Yeah.
I prefer to go spa a sauna than a spa. Yeah, but it's you know, hang on area, man. Call Joe barley. Hang on. Bar is not a sauna. As far as
what I'm saying it's a pool is
what I use. But what I'm saying is it's got all the qualities of a sauna. Yeah, plus. Yeah, exactly. And so, qualities it's actually an
interview to say a steam room.
I would I would actually what you mean exactly the same as outdoor swimming pool?
What is just warm? It's a warm outdoor swimming pool. Okay. So it's lovely. You get your robe, and you get to walk around like cold ones as well that you can. Yeah, there's a plunge pool like a plunge. That's exciting. So you're gonna go? Yeah, no, it's really nice. It's written on this. Or a winery. Yeah, this is lunch. Oh, yeah, that's gratitude. I feel like I got stuck with when travelling. People would say you love this or you love this is the best thing ever. I found him I wasn't talking about you don't want to hide it. Yeah, but you need to be in tune with your own voice in what you like. Because it's very easy. Like you can go to a restaurant and they'll be like are you should get the like the steak is the best. Now if you're a vegetarian, don't get stuck.
You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, he loves to ask the waiter what something is like
Like the White House subjective, like, they might not like a hot chocolate, and they don't know what the quality is. Yeah. And so but sit for sibs, I could imagine. Let's take into account his situation. Either that or just fix the internet at the Airbnb. Just make sure you do digital detox. Why are you doing digital detox? Yeah. So what does that mean? Well, I just like reduced social.
I just I just won't be I won't be on my phone. How many people have said they're doing the Digi detox? Yeah. And just like going hard. I'm a bit bored
all the time. I always think back. You always need a box to lock it away.
What's everyone's screentime been like
I haven't looked at a wall.
You know, watch DVDs and stuff. That sounds like a chess thing today. No, I wrote rods, rods decked it out with David dice or there's something about a rental that has
An old playa and you just like slip back into a lovely 16 year old mode. We crack into David a 16 when 16 David days went around Netflix, when he was five winning, is that true? Or at least 16 you're watching Netflix.
16 Yeah. 2012 Yeah. Two hours 48 daily average daily average 2012 A would have been my day average. Is that for this week or? Yeah, Sunday. See? It's Canada vs. Last 10 hours, four hours. 10 minutes was last week's average hourly. Yeah. So by the end of the week, you you as a friend, your average seven hours in two minutes from me. Whoa. So last last week, your mind was six hours 32 last week, four hours and 32 minutes last week. Isn't down 6% from the last week, really getting less and less though out of my phone after this.
Haha, like the I was even thinking about trading it in silly on the trading. It's all fine, but I was thinking about the listening to podcasts walking into work. You do that right away? Yes. If you're listening to a podcast right now will you see no warnings? No, you know, you know this is great, but what I discovered was specific types of podcasts, ie
Muse opinion editorial sort of like in that sort of mix I can't listen to before starting work because I just get so worked up about like they'll say something I'm like Hang on. This is only half the store like Shouldn't you mention this bit or what about this bit? I'm like, you can't do anything. And that was a nearly to catch myself I might when I walk in. I'm not going to bring it up. Yeah, because like you could easily then completely derail the day. Yeah, yeah. And so what what, what the fuck have you been listening to? Well, no. So I did that to that like
I've been trying to listen to likes or broaden the scope of stuff I'm listening to, you know what I mean? Anything like anything, if I'm thinking reality shows people pulling spins on them, if there's a podcast about gossip, or what else is there, I mean, just you need to get into
all made up. Yeah, you need to get into fiction like, because then it's just like it you can throw out anything they ever say because it's like, made up. So I mean, doesn't matter. No offence to podcasters but I don't trust any podcasters to make make something like what? What sort of person makes what's an example of a made up podcast? Oh, I'm Dan neelix podcast that he's on. So the audio the audible car case he can kill us. Oh, really? Yeah. But yeah, so there's that's a satirical Yeah. Okay. Um, there's another one. There's another one. The two girls Kate and Kate that do the cooking show. They are on a on a
comedy sketch podcast that has an you know, narrative but it's all fiction. Yeah. What do you think George?
I mean, yeah, I listen to a lot of comedy podcasts before work, just to wake up in any fiction get in the mood. Well, probably the closest would be Auntie Donna. But that's sketch comedy that's improv the whole time. Which is fun and silly. I mean, this isn't the question is like, you like that George? Like, you're a comedy guy. Easy, you know, comedy. Funny boy.
We know this, but just you don't like like,
you're drawn to nonfiction. You're drawn to the sort of stuff that makes you think about the real world. Yeah. So so then it's like you need to, you need a murder mystery.
dealt, Delve hard into audio books that are all below
Yeah, well, when, when the crime channel first came to foxtel I was like, addicted to that I'd watch it all the time. But it was still right. Yeah, it was all crime doubt. I feel like by the time I was like, 16 I was like, I get it. Like, I know what's gonna happen here. The guy's gonna murder the woman. It's gonna be really sad. Yeah, so what do you want? What do you What are you craving? Because otherwise there's nothing like it. What are you listening to? This is my problem. I feel like you have to you have to bear the sound of the real world. I've been listening, obviously, but yeah, it's making its way into the family recommendations are really good. on Spotify, there's a whole playlist based on what you unbraid listen to is on my Spotify
actually worked out last night.
That someone we had on the family account that's that's not family. They were able to make purchases or whatever, like, fix that. One out Apple was
That wasn't so it was like sharing a
like our Apple family thing but didn't realise it gives all these other rights and they made a purchase. Yeah, just a small one. So we fixed it. You fix that by asking them to pay for it. Yeah, we just got gum off. Inside on you. I don't know, I lifted for braid. It was one of braids, friends. I was like, Hi. She's definitely like, I get it. I get it. But yeah, hopefully.
I mean, he's the person that benefited out that well, there was a subscription. Yeah, no, it was like a it was an iCloud storage thing. So I'm sure it just like ticked over. It's fine. Yeah.
I find that the whole podcast and Netflix and Stan and doc play and binge, all these different things like Disney, Disney plus, Apple plus Apple TV plus, like this too many things. And even this weekend. I was like I'm gonna just chill. Have a real lazy day like a couple
Days Did you know I ended up
having some issues with spam on one of our websites. And so what was happening? What was happening was on Sunday, I get this email from someone they say peace off.
I beg your pardon. Who's this sim from iPhone? Am I okay? It was someone that had a big pond account.
And so what had happened was case
sent from Microsoft.
No. So what had happened was, we had a form on one of our sites. And when you submit the form, you get an email back confirming that we've got your email. Yes, we didn't have a spam protection mechanism on that, like a CAPTCHA. And so what was happening was a bot was going through, putting in random people's email addresses and then putting their spam what they're trying to send to them.
That, and then click Submit. And that was getting our email server to send that person an email from us saying being like a confirmation email, but it was all that bullshit data. Yeah. And so I realised that on Sunday, and so my Sunday you'd always been happy with it. 55,008 miles was
so annoying. On so it was a piece of steel we get only one.
And so it was annoying. So that was being sent to real people. Yeah. Oh, no, you've done a me. Wait, wait, just work this out. So the bot has and it's not Charles from discord, the bot that was running this input of email and then a message. They random email addresses. Yeah. So I
found a list and then so they wanted. They want to use another server to be able to send all of these emails
Yeah, and so it was very annoying. And then so it sent me on a
whole day of updating stuff on the website and doing it. So it was you write back and say sorry to the guy that told us No, because the thing is, it wasn't. It wasn't really. It wasn't us. Yeah.
Like, I didn't wanna have to enter into an explain like, Matt, you're done. And the thing is, it wasn't we weren't even
we weren't even compromised. Like nothing was compromised from an email perspective that we're just using
a little thing that they could like, yeah, I what's that website? You can check if your password has been. I've been pawned I think pw in like Ireland. Poland. ism. Is it um, is it legit? Yeah, it's legit. Like, Is it safe? Yes. Was it because you just put in your email address, an email address or something? And it will tell you if it's been compromised. So email address. I mean, I'm just gonna do this quickly. Just put my so what's the you
Arrow, it's Have I been poned PW in a day.com? Have I been poned? And so you'll put in your email address and we'll go through all the databases and it will tell you whether you've been
if you've been compromised, so Adobe was playing, you know, porn. I mean, not porn. No, not not porn. Have you heard the story? Canva Canva.
Yeah, same. Also, I did have Adobe, but I went through and deleted that.
J Bay, did you hear about the one of the tactics what they do is because it will tell the password like this, the passwords accessible, right? Like you won't be able to say there because they're sort of trying to protect you. But you can get passwords and all this sort of stuff. And so what spammers were doing was they were basically sending emails to people. I got one of these emails and it's
It says hi, the the subject line he writes
the subject line is your password right? And so catches you off guard on what the fuck is this? And the email I'm not even joking. Tommy's dad got the same email. It's that was real.
We've hacked into your computer, and we have webcam footage of you masturbating to pornography.
You need to pay us through this link now. Otherwise, we're going to release the video. Oh my god. So I'm out back I said, realise that
I'm releasing releasing the video before you
said I didn't but imagine being like a, someone who has no idea about the shit. Oh, and then thinking about it and connecting dots and pain like what have I got? My mum separated from my dad. I know that now.
But they knew. I mean, it was, I'm sure.
I mean, this is why people put the little dots over your laptop over the camera. Yeah. I mean, isn't that a fucked up story? Yeah, that's crazy. How much would they ask me three grand? I don't know. Yeah, it was it was through. You made that up. But it was all it sounds reasonable. No, it was all through a, like a Bitcoin sort of scenario. You'd had a crypto coin. They'd have to find the right for someone who has Bitcoin. Who is doing that weird shit online.
The you were telling me about 15 minutes of shame. Georgie boy. Oh, yeah. To mention. Comedian. What do you son
instead of plays into the realm of if that ever happened? You had something awake like that? Where you weren't planning on this? What's that? What is it? What's the story behind that what he talks about the 15 minutes of shame. The story is just
It's a song that he's written. It was a while ago, he wrote like maybe two years ago or something. But it's just about this cancelled culture. And everyone digging up dirt on each other something that was said maybe 10 years ago as Twitter status or whatever that's been dug up photos. And it's just everyone will have that, that 15 minutes of shame where you just get handed and there's, yeah, it's almost like these days, there's no ability to change. It's just like, once you set it, that's that's who you are. What do you think? So they were I was writing an article about a guy who bit of a fraudster was written about in the newspaper. And he served his time. And then he went on a massive campaign to get the newspaper that wrote the articles about him taken down interest. He ended up getting
in trouble by the Federal Police because he made bomb threats.
whatnot, but he back to his old trick. So So the question is, do you think that you should at some point, get to a race history? Or do you like do you think that newspapers should stay up forever?
It depends on what you've done.
But then then even that sort of I think there has to be something that's removed from looking at what individual cases this is the thing about media they there's no who's it governed by in terms of
Yeah, the you could pull something up and then our own social media like you if there's people being cancelled fired for tweeting hashtags.
rightfully so. Like Not, not maybe not rightfully so bad. It depends on the hashtag depends on the hashtag. But it's it's it is a crazy thought. They're just writing something you'd gone. Yeah. Well, I know there was a financial advisor that I knew through a friend
I have a friend. And they were on a current affair for being dodgy. Oh, and so anyway, I remember being chased down. Yeah, like, Yeah, really? And so
what's that word? Yeah, just use Yes. Yeah. Producer Jess uses it. Were they chasing it? Excuse me? Yeah. You know, you've been defrauding whoever they're trying to, she knows somebody who does it. We need him on the show. Definitely the number Anyway, what was very interesting about that specific person was, I was googling them. And you can see the current affair article, or whatever. And then there's all of these puff pieces, blog posts that he's hired, there's services that you can hire that will try and SEO your name to get out like to basically muddy all of that sort of stuff. And so they using like, setting up blogs and calling them different bouncing. It's called Jess and bouncing. Yeah.
And so I love to that those those few slides right got
yeah but they yeah so basically a huge like it just written all about about him all these different articles that reputation management yes yeah. But it's like it's so obvious from someone who like sees it because it's like the person's name dot blogspot dot WordPress and then they've got like a Prezi presentation about like why that right yeah well as someone just over the weekend, which is very much falls into the category of policing and it will consume your, you know, feelings on the world and it was just about how everything's been cancelled and it will be a point where it's cancelled so far that it's a rebuilding. So it's like everything it goes so far, that it's like it's only can go back up. It has to reach
And build back up. We're talking about that the other day cancelling cancel culture, which is a it's, it's, I mean its own thing. Do you think that will ever get cancelled? I think someone will try to do something bad. But I mean the realm that we play in. I don't think he's
sort of rot for cancelling like it's not happening.
religious we've said a lot of things though. We've had like, we've been talking every day for two and a half years. Surely there's something to be cancelled on. Yeah, I reckon. I reckon that could be something easily stitched together. Oh, I bet that's
Yeah. So Michelle Laurie says that she's been cancelled.
I'd love that. She can't shut us out. She is that what No, no, is that what you're saying? Well, I I just so I follow on on
On Facebook and she said, I've already been cancelled, so and then went into something that was, you know, a hot topic like she
and I think she brought some really great stuff but yeah, it's a weird it's a weird one way.
So this podcast I was listening to it was like outrage and that is an emotion shouldn't be listened to. And it will be one of the more prominent feelings that definitely shouldn't be what people decide, you know, like their outcome or their thinking is decided upon their level of outrage internally as an emotion. Well, if you think about like, yeah, you don't send an email or call someone when you're feeling really emotional. We probably should cancel people either when they're emotional and feeling that way. But then I guess there's justified like the problem with all of this is is justified. I do love the Jon Ronson book. So you've been publicly shamed. Yes. I talk about all of this. V read that JB No, but my brother read it after hearing
He talks about it. He loves saga. Yeah, it's a it's very good because it gives, it looks at things that have happened. You know, I think the books may be four years old or whatever it is. It's just, you can see that this is just a cyclical thing. This is constantly happening. It's like the
it obviously feels right now, like we're in a bit of
a pressure cooker of you know, cancelling. I think that also, I wonder how much of the Seas connected with mental health as cancelling Friday night drinks. How much of it is that we're all feeling not that great. Everyone's like, not the best version. And then we're asking everyone to like, coexist and co create and have a conversation when you're not feeling the best. Yeah, I mean, and it's also the time the isolation with like, mental health is do you think there is a mental health crisis now?
Or is it? Or is it been there? Before all of this happened? And now it's coming to the surface, and we're talking about it more. And that's what I can't tell, like, I hear about tearing some horrible stories about some young people and suicide over the weekend. I'm thinking, is it like, Is it a thing of now? And then I was thinking about my experience and all my friends in the past that have, you know, done that. And it's like, I don't know, like, are we less equipped with the, with the internal skill set now than we would 15 years ago, when I was a 15 year old, there's more depth, because there's more depth and we're more aware of injustice. And because we're like, all of a sudden, when we've been immune to issues based on our own privilege, or what we get exposed to, now that we're getting exposed to all of that, we're starting to, all of a sudden the systems are like
These don't seem fair. This is like the
stuff on all the statues stuff that they're talking about. It's like, okay, you know, you're taught in school, all this stuff about James Cook, and then you've got like, there's one thing to be like, okay, re educate, like, we need to actually, properly have a better understanding of our history. But then we also have to look around and say, Ah, well, that statue there represents all these different negative things. Yay. So then it's like, can you have progress? This is what I was listening to on the way here. Can you have progress with keeping them up and then building new statues? Or do you need to knock them down? And the point of
what one person was saying was it was like, if Black Lives Matter, then you need to be
saying, Okay, well, is this statue is that a? Does that go again?
Black Lives Matter and so does that mean that we should be removing it? Yeah, what what's that network?
Warner Brothers have put a slight at the front of some of their shotguns like the early cartoons, the ones from like the 1940s have a lot of racial prejudice in them. And, and so they've put a disclaimer at the start that basically says
these cartoons are presented as they were made in the time. They don't align with Warner Brothers that were wrong back then and they're wrong now, but to remove them would be the same as ignoring that they ever existed. Hmm. I think that's pretty like a pretty good way of talking about like, yeah, just taking it down and getting rid of it. It's just I don't think that's progressing the conversation without the it being an opportunity to educate parents like fuck if they a prime spot in centre of London or you know here in Melbourne.
It's like, what is a version of using it as a tool to educate and say how misaligned or misguided we all were.
From an educational standpoint?
I mean, I think that has more impact than just removing in a kid never saying mommy use that. Or, you know, an opportunity for mom to say that is bola dad to say he's at gronk. The worst car? Yeah, I guess the things seem nuanced.
And I understand that there's
I think that that's the hard thing that we're experiencing is that there's, there's nuance but for certain things, we should take a no
we should by being nuanced. Potentially, that could be deemed racist as well. So if you so for instance,
so on the black line,
meta stuff, it's like, you can understand all lives matter. And you can understand that as a concept, right? All lives matter, of course, right? But then the problematic bit is, that's a way of knocking down what's currently happening with black lives matter. And so it's, there's all this nuance where you can easily take a misstep, or like I am and then, for instance, the all lives matter builds. It's got groundswell within the far right. And so then it's like, immediately labels and the people that are, I think, like using it misguidedly
getting pulled into that.
And they haven't done themselves the the due diligence of looking at what the fuck it all means. And it's like and that's what people get. That's the hashtag that people are being fired and cancelled. I think that the part of it is it's like okay, being cancelled is being is better than being killed.
So the if we have to deal with being cancelled, potentially, yeah, I mean, but that's not the conversation that why guess at that, like, there is a bunch of that which is like, Okay, if it's, if I'm,
if we're willing to I guess I'm not worried about the cancelling thing. Because it's like, Okay, I'm going to say what I think to be true through my perspective, right now. I
realise that I'm not always going to be right. And I'm open to learning.
I feel like from a cancel perspective, like doesn't that that makes things pretty clear. Yeah, I mean, how can we What else can you do? Yeah, Unless Unless you are the only way that you're going to be cancelled is it's like, I am not willing to change 100 perspective on this. Yeah. It's a massive education pays for people that are saying and strongly defending No, all eyes like, there is a huge piece of work that I think that kind of person needs to lead.
To make so his buddies cancelled culture then overstated like is there actually way less risk? to cancer? What is what is cancelled culture cause
You know, it's so it's like being associated with somebody who, who gets cancelled or says something like LA Galaxy soccer players wife made us mates made some comment on Twitter. He got fired, he lost his job. Based on her words and what she chose to smash, I guess I'm just telling you the effect of someone being cancelled what it could mean. And so I guess the other perspective is around, okay, we've got systems where we've been able to just by design of the system, you get a leg up and so this I guess is the opposite where it's like are you can, if the system's fucked already if the way that we got our job was based on all of these privileges from where we grew up to our upbringing, all of that sort of stuff.
It feels like the cancelling isn't necessarily that much of an issue. But I think it is an issue for me. But that's not to say it's an issue for the individual. Do you think that the majority so who's doing an issue like who's doing the cancelled is an issue for an individual? Who's cancelled? What do you mean? Well, I get like, what does it mean to be cancelled? So cancelling is like losing your job or? Yeah, it could be pushed out from any potential overall, I don't know what it means for Michelle Laurie, when she says, I've been cancelled, like she gets attacked online for talking about anything. I mean, it's like the people who are up for having these conversations at a
public level. I think we do my point of saying what it meant to be cancelled. I don't think it needs any kind of explanation of why it was worth it. It's just there's a bunch of receipt things that people are being cancelled for. I mean, the word
Get groundswell about the loss of what it even means. Like, that's exactly what I'm saying. Like so the cancelled thing is like is paid Evans has been cancelled. But does it actually like what does it actually mean to pay to Evans? Is he like, still in like a hyperbaric chamber at home? Like enjoying life? Like, what's that? Like? What is cancelling? What does that actually mean? I mean, what does it mean? If you look up being cancelled? What does it mean? Is it from the mate like, think about people who usually refers to his people in the media, people in the celebrities or that mainstream is also getting completely shaken up, and so
cancelling makes a lot of sense within the context of mainstream, but if everyone's going to go into their bubbles and have their place like anyone that's cancelled. Here to tell you what being cancelled means to cancel somebody, usually a celebrity, a well known figure
means to stop giving support to that person. The act of cancelling could entail boycotting and actors movies are no longer reading or promoting a writer's work.
And so that is okay railing got cancelled? Is that? Yes, she did. Transgender transgender stuff really having opinions on all of that stuff. Yeah, I don't know like the
i was i was watching what you can say, Oh no, I just like
to mention actually talks about it really well on velocities latest one, and it's just about people that, like, we understand why Black Lives Matter is the right thing to say and all lives matter is the wrong thing to say. But for a lot of the people that are just saying, hang on don't all those men are like that they are coming at it with like the right intent and then to just yell at them and say you're racist, you idiot, is actually it's not that like it's actually has some
scientific backing that that will make them double down and be like, I've been put in this box. It's not the way to, to educate people to move forward like, and I people need the space to be educated and just yelling at them and calling them a racist and cancelling them. I don't think it's the right way to do it. But I also think that like
we can only make decisions or or think the way we think based on the knowledge that we have right now. And so that's the other thing is like, I think that so much of this is based on dogma that our thinking is going to be stagnant or the way we're gonna think is always going to be the same. Yeah. And it's also about lecturing people.
You know, on information that you've only just learned yourself, I can't believe you don't know this, you idiot. Like, well, you only learnt it last week. So yeah, give me the time to, to read stuff and listen to things rather than just just calling me an idiot. I was watching a taco last.
Not by Do you know Stacey Dooley? She's an British
documentary filmmaker. It's she's great. She thought it was on Stan. I've never watched any of her doctors before, but she did a
documentary on sex offenders in Florida and when they finish their time where do they go? Oh, Louie did one of those similar and so Louise one was a little bit more like halfway house
house you remember that had to like fucking It was crazy. Yeah. And there was a past paedophile that was like in charge the house you formed. But then like, I think it was just like a power maniac like running this house. Right. You're like, You're grounded. So anyway, but the I mean, the interesting thing is, it's like
that is I guess an example around. Things aren't black and white things are like there's so much nuance to everything. And so they show this like, okay, you can't
A child young put like they can't defend themselves like the fact someone's life they've like ruined a young person's life and so based on the law especially in in Florida, it's like you don't like you don't like even even if you've got your time or whatever, there's no more for you in regards to like some of the laws are that you can't leave
within the community where there's going to be kids and so what ends up happening is there's these
tent cities just basically of sex offenders that they're
you know staying throughout the night and all that so i think but it's there it was like a nuanced it was this weird you want to paste where she was building these characters as like the humans.
But then they've done this thing that is horrendous and disgusting and in cat like, and can't be forgiven.
In the way that we look at society,
because it's like you can't risk them hurting another individual. But it's like, how complicated is that? Like you're talking about cancelled culture, whatever. And then you look at like the system as a whole and look at all of these areas. Yeah, just
serious criminals that like, what is
is there a place for them to recover or rehabilitate out of that life? I mean, it's yet so hard. And so there's been like a very clear line around like, No, you do it, and it's done. And then they
Yeah, we the law is very, so there's an Aussie guy who's just been sentenced to death in China. For for importing. Seven kg of ice ice. Yeah. Seems like a lot of ice. What if someone else did like 20 but you didn't do them thinking? They got like 15 years, I think
China. Yeah, but then you do it here. Import. Yeah, that you're not getting death you're not getting life. I ease maybe isn't me. It's also interesting what gets the news like what like the news cycle and what everyone's talking about and what's the like there's definitely a
an over simplification that can happen like I've caught myself listening to something and then hearing the I think that the dangerous bit about news is not what's being said it's what's not being said, he hear a story and then you're like this is but then you hear it over somewhere else. I guess that's why like, consuming different media is good, but you're like, oh, wow, like you've completely missed the specific like you are refusing to talk about this specific bit. And the only reason you would do that is to try and convince the reader or the listener. Yeah, that of your specific opinion. I mean, there's you if you were to just objectively look at the past.
Three months of news relating to Coronavirus. It was serious, it is serious. But you can also see how they used the media what I want to say they tactics that played into human emotion of you know think about that time I thought it was probably three or four weeks I was refreshing the fucking news site every every five minutes. And I'm like you know what? before so is Newser ally to positive change so for inside the news give a fuck So the thing is that like to the news actually care about what's currently happening or are they saying it because like COVID was an issue and then overnight it was no longer an issue. And then you see protests happening you see all this stuff happening and then like I'm connecting the dots of like what was said last week, which is like, okay, African Americans are dying by
On COVID-19 like, you know, they were a group that was significantly represented in Cova deaths. And then to see people protesting it's like, it's a very hard thing like there wasn't didn't seem like there was much conversation around it. It was obviously all over this one area and it seems like a hard conversation to have like, it's hard to my perspective has been it's like it's a very personal decision that I feel like protesting it's extremely personal. There could be huge consequences from health perspective, but I feel like in this case, it's like
the whatever is being protest over there is out does my opinion on this thing. It feels like a personal thing, but just the way that the media I think, covered it. I was like, oh, like I was almost had whiplash. Yeah, flick of the switch. Yeah, it's just way too long.
Then makes you think about if you were to look at like, what how they approach these things, it's like, what's everyone talking about? Like, I've worked in a new in a media outlet that just looked left to see what other people were doing. And then well, there's the leader or the person that's found where the momentum is. And then we jump on that. And so that is the case for a lot of these is like, what is the story that has got momentum? What is the interest at a society level? And then let's we have to talk about that. And so that's where it isn't, like you saying, there's a bunch of stuff that's missed. Yeah, I mean, and all you need to do George and I did this last week, we were looking at like, the more right leaning website, news outlet versus a left leaning outlet. And you look at the headlines and you just read through them. And you can see where this one the left is swayed towards talking about x and the right
ROPs that and talks about this and it's like, well, if you're just you are going to be a, you know, you're in if you're in the echo chamber of more right leaning media, it's going to be consuming, but and there's so much and you won't save it around, like I'm now sort of approaching putting things into boxes. So for instance, like,
Black Lives Matter, we put into the box of justice, and then we put it into minorities, and we put it into like, all those different sort of boxes. But there's a bunch of people that are like, stop putting lgbtqi issues with
the, you know, racial debate and things like that. So it's like, extremely complex.
And it's, I guess, like the framing that I'm looking at everything is like just like what what seems like just or what, where does the Justice line at all and that feels like it's a little bit more sort of
pragmatic in its approach, rather than looking at them like
it shouldn't be whether you think that, you know,
it doesn't actually matter about your personal opinion, whether you think that same sex couples should get married, it's like you You actually need to zoom out and be like, this is like human rights, justice, all of that sort of shit. If only people did that more often. I don't think it I don't think gets I've been caught up in things, you know, specific topics that I haven't done that properly. Well, I think you I think it is a learned skill to be doing that to what am I feeling right now? Why am I feeling uncomfortable? And then what's what's you zoom out from that? Where does it fit within progress of the world and because I don't think you can say that you can't have a political you can't. This is how political parties thrive is the right
The left the Democrats, the Republicans, like people have ways of thinking about things that they strongly support. So why Trump got in? Because people strongly agreed with him on many things.
Is that to say that that is the right because there's a bunch of people that say, he's completely wrong.
Yeah, and so that's where it's like, does it I mean, who has a friend that's highly political. I was watching last night on Facebook. It feels like the political bit is the
everything's political, like Black Lives Matter movement is a political has political tone to it feel it feels like it has to like it all fits into it. I'm not saying it's, I'm removed. I'm watching somebody who posted a thing saying blacklist the term to blacklist somebody is a racial has a racial undertone. And then I saw someone got any some guy jumped in started racing riding like we read the same comments. You
Yeah, I mean, at one moment, I was like, these guys have lost hours of their life is in there's many
hours of my life. My god, I didn't engage, but I was like, one was like, there's nothing there's, you know, you can't back that up and I couldn't understand why the argument was happening. And it just seems so weird. But I mean, that's one snapshot of one thread online, of where people and you know, it is political. It is kind of like ideologies that come into play. They're ones trying to, you know, go with facts. The other ones like, you know, the lefty predominantly more pushing a feeling in the rights and more facts. They're like trying to bring in, you know, to outdo you with this isn't what happened. And it's like, Yeah, but what does that mean? Even if that is the case? How does that play for someone and how they feel like it's, it's, I mean, this is where you need to just go listen to some fiction, to get out of it. Get out of this world and light up stuff. Willy Wonka.
Countless Well, I think Willy Wonka's problematic shit. Yeah. And so JK Rowling can't listen. Read it. Well, Harry Potter. Yeah, he Lion King. I think now I got it. I got a toy story. I watched Toy Story 1234 on the weekend. Not really
your vibe. Now he's kind of got one foot. Yeah, upside down, Upside down Upside down
some really great kids films. But he's been getting right into them he loved Yeah. Frozen.
Frozen is good because the she discovers like sisterhood or like the power of your sister. It's not like all the other princess and Prince. Things are based on like the guy comes and saves I think well you got two sides to a bridge and where the linking factor is this some line and that's kind of cute. You know Elsa couldn't do it without Ana also
on Spotify, tune tunes, sorry, they've got their tunes on Spotify. You can listen frozen. Yeah, I can get around that. Oh, yeah. I'm on Spotify. Any other Final Thoughts? Anything? No, I think that's good. Okay. We're trying to get we're in regards to all of the guests that we have on. We want to have more diverse guests. It is like it does take
it does take more time like it actually like it's, it's embarrassing to say, but like, we need to spend more time working all that stuff out.
So yeah, it's it's something of like we're doing the work now. But you won't actually necessarily see it coming to fruition for a little bit as we sort of manage everyone's schedules and things like that.
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