#105 – Money, parenthood and suicide/
- June 11, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday June 11 (Ep 105) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Brunch isn’t the reason we don’t own houses, being a parent isn’t practical and the permanent solution to a temporary problem that is suicide. It’s The Daily Talk Show on the Queen’s Birthday.
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket. 105 of the daily talk show. What's up
guys? It's, um. It's Monday Queen's Birthday. Yeah, most parts of Australia. I didn't even think about the part where the Queen's Birthday.
Because I actually don't know if he's
legit birthday. Yeah, it feels like a Sunday here in Melbourne. Yes. Great vibe. It is. Where have you been? I've been at home. But just driving. You tell people to just loving the way it I went out for coffee this morning. And there's a lot of lot more people out then. Even on a Sunday. Yeah, so he's like, it feels like people just just lapping it up. We went to
Cheerios cafe. Just john little Linux really ventured off your norm. Yeah.
Tell me saying that. Because I go there a little bit is that every day that's it
actually is Amanda. So I guess it is your routine. Yeah.
But we sat down had a had brunch. Yeah, we got one side of Hulu. Me and bacon to share brain I both got the same thing. Okay. So we got avocado toast. And then we said can we get one side and they ended up screwing up and giving us both bacon and Hulu. Me or you know you're not paying for that. So you will bloody Yeah, it was gray area. Yeah. They say it was almost like a bit of a trait. They said are the shift shift. got it wrong. Enjoy. But that's a lot of home. If one guy Yeah.
Did you get my what I say? Do you? Did you hear what I said? You and I spoke on what you say. I said, Oh, you're out spending more than you need on something you don't probably need about the breakfast. Isn't it? Ridiculous fact,
the cost of breakfast? Yeah. How many? How much did you spend? Let me guess. $52. 50.
It was 53 bucks. You're pretty. You're pretty close. But and I think that it's um, it's the equivalent of I mean, what do you what do you what would you pay in carry payments on your car? 300 bucks a month? Okay. So it like because it's all relative? Right? So function of daily use. The thing is, this is my thing on like, the because I feel like there's a war on brunch that's happening. Or a war on coffee. That's like, yeah, I have spent less than $50 in my entire life on alcohol. Yeah. And that's including, like, that's it. I'm just saying 50 bucks. I'm sure I've shouted something in some weed. Why? Where I bought alcohol. But I've never bought alcohol. So when you know, the markup is ridiculous. I guess
I'm not even because I do it too. Right? Yeah, by breakfast. So I'm,
you're part of the problem. Yeah, I just don't think it's a but I reckon, I think that you get caught up in the hyper bowl. That is the reason that we can't buy a house is because of avocado. Or as if I recommended far
against that. I really love buying houses.
The whole point of being in debt is that you're taking someone else's money that you don't have. Yeah, maybe the person bringing in a $200,000 savings to lower the mortgage is the person that probably doesn't buy avocado toast, but I just think it's all these choices. I reckon like we
Yeah, I don't think that you I think that there's a an assumption that if you eat out and you spend money out, yeah. That you somehow financially responsible? Yeah, I think there is elements of it. I think you're not a part of it. Yeah, well, it's just like, you just pick your battles, like you just pick your battles you spend on some things that and so brain I don't go out like we don't like in the sense of, it's not like, we like where I find that you'd spend so much money is in like, the shouting culture of going out and getting drinks or people and shit like that. Like, I feel like if I was playing that game, I would be why over paying them what I should because he generous. Well, because I just naturally gave you that. And then I'm sure it would just be before you know it. I'd be spending a lot of money. Yeah,
I spoke to make the other night he dropped $1,000 out. You have to cry because that's the thing. Like,
this is the thing like, I mean, we have, it's just about prioritization. Yeah. Brian, I have an i 30 that's through the company that we spent 15 grand on. Yeah. So it's like we and it's so everyone's got their different priorities, right. And I think for me stuff like coffee, like you just do the math, even barefoot talks about Scott pipe, it's like, you are not going to become super rich, just by cutting out your latte. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I think there's I think there's habits and mindsets around it. That's unique to the individual. Meaning some people who are going out five days a week for breakfast legitimately can't afford it. That's an individual case, though. Yeah, but maybe you can. Maybe you can drink coffee. We
I think that Yeah, there's definitely there's there would be people who are living beyond them means something. I think that you'd probably if you buy a really expensive car, if you were to buy a Tesla before you to buy a house, maybe have it the wrong way round.
Maybe your priorities. Yeah, but
maybe that's maybe you slept in the Tesla? No, but the thing is that you might actually
Yeah, yeah, there's so many factors, like, some people won't. Some people don't see the end game is owning a house, which is another part, like, there's people I follow online who have a super successful business, and they just least like Airbnb and stuff, and they don't like so they'll spend, you know, a month in Italy, then they'll go off and they'll go to South Africa, they go to all these different places. So once he got to probably there's probably not much chance of you doing that. Yeah,
because PayPal is stretching themselves to get a property. But that's a nice lifestyle. That'd be great. Yeah, but I used to be in alignment with, it's like, what we talked about fitness were regimes, the, they have to be tailored directly to you, and your goals. And if, and if that is this person's goals of, I want to be able to live remotely wherever I want for a month or three, then it's aligned in alignment. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I gotta, you know, we spent 10 bucks on coffee this morning, anyway, so yeah,
I mean, it's just never. It's interesting. Like, you and I talked about it a bit, this idea of,
you know, how you look at money, and I, I definitely have been of the School of, if you if you hold it on too tightly, then you're probably too focused on your grip, and not enough time, own experiencing life. Or it's that idea of if you hold it so tightly, or if you value if you put it up so high, it's going to own you, it's going to become such a every conversation is going to be about money. Yeah,
well, I think there's things in life like children that add new elements to the way you look at money, as you know, thinking like you and I talked about putting money away for body fat per hundred bucks awake away for the next 1015 years. Yeah, he'd be he'd have a nice little amount of money that would be generating some good interest. Yeah, that would keep going. And that's like,
that's the thing with kids and all that sort of thing. It's like, part of the reason that Brian I haven't got kids is because we
don't really think that we could afford like, we could do it in a way where it wasn't super stressful, and a massive impact on the things that we want to do as well. I think it's one way to look at it. Because I don't think it is the truth because my dad lost $100,000. Yeah. When we were young kids in a business that when patients Yeah,
and he was sending us to private schooling. Yeah,
and he's lucky that he didn't lose our house and everything that he had the
the thing I recommend thing user, then then it's this. It's a shift, though, that if you're making that choice, it's this ownership of choice. And so it's not the I can't afford x, or I can afford why it's, I don't want this or I don't want I choose not to have this because I'm choosing this other thing,
but you stretch and so my dad had to stretch himself to then make it work because it was the reality that he was in. And it's like Amy and I were stretching ourselves for something that we can't can't handle off. Bodie. Yeah, we could, if you're a real piece of shit, but we're not going to. And we're making it work in reality. I mean, I could be living in bond I was the amount we're spending in a two bedroom looking out over the water. 900 bucks awake. Does that 900 bucks rent? Do you have moments of thinking like, when you think about that reality? And you think about your choices? Or is it when you have is a kid because it feels like the kids have those sort of sacred sort of area where it's like, once you once you've done it? Yeah, it's a done deal. So yeah, I think
I feel like I, I say these things, do you like the bond I but in reality, it's, it's not really inside me, you know, the feeling that like all this, like, Oh, I could have had that. Maybe for some people, I don't feel it at all. You see this, you see the kids smile, but you recognize my direction. This is almost part of excited the mental health conversation or things like that, do you think that people aren't willing like, so what is it called postpartum depression or whatever it is, you know, like the depression you can get after having a kid, whatever that's going to you think that part of the reason that people have that is because they have these feelings. And there is this rhetoric or this conversation that it's, we don't have these like, you don't think like, biologically doesn't really happen. Like, it's okay. I just sometimes think like, you know, what, like this is to have those thoughts that you have around, we could be living in bondage. Yeah. I mean, you don't want to be having it every day. Because it's not from a mindset point of view. Yeah, it's probably not grateful. You
having a kid he's thrust into this life that is brand new, so it's like already capacity stretching? Yeah. In a massive way. And for women, dude, what I'm you went through and what women go through like it. It is. It shakes up your body. Yeah. And the mental like, magic. You drained of so many of your natural chemicals that you are creating? I can relate. I had seven hours sleep the other day. No, I mean, you can realize you had an epi juul Yeah, I've had met Peter Oh, yeah. It's
one thing. I didn't have something come out
of the toilet. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, so the point around people feeling depressed for one, there's a chemical issue there. But for to Amy was very sad. Yeah. Like, it's a this is, it's a reality check. Almost. Yeah. Holy shit. But I think you get through it. And it's like, that is that is a lie. Look at that. To practically then, because I see I see all of this stuff acting on like, like, yeah, this is and that's not a reason not to do stuff. But I look at the I think I put so much way Sean having kids. It's not even a selfish thing. It's a thing of wanting to give the best for kids. And knowing that the idea of just having a kid and then trying to figure it out, yeah. To me from from my life and from brain. I it's like, we don't want to necessarily put that pressure. Yeah,
you know, you're very analytical on what happens in your head. And I think there is a lot of thought there. Because I think half of the thing with parenting is you can't be thinking logistically too many too much. Because it doesn't make logistical sense. having kids Yeah, in this day and age and super hard, like money financially doesn't make sense. Yeah, like on your own time, and your own career doesn't make sense and a bit so that's where it's like, but people like my old man got through losing 100 grand sending these kids to private schooling bring us up well, still showing us love and all these things. So it's like capacity. We talk about that a lot. But I
think that's the thing whether it's having a kid or whatever it is I think that the the learning is that we are adaptable varied and whatever that is, whatever that challenges were normally way better probably than what we think to be able to take
we have a greater capacity then we feel Yeah, at
any moment I think for anything
funny thing I was out with jewels lungs. Wife, Jules is in America. raising money for tribe. Okay. raising money
for tribe sounds like it's a charity.
He's hoping it's a profit one.
so we're at and his wife said,
Ah, when he was just she was reflecting on juul working and always, you know, being away for work or whatever. But she said, when I was in labor, Jules was on the phone to Josh gents. And Amy said, holy shit, when my waters broke, Tommy was on the phone to Josh Jansen. When, when, till when till my wife was in having contractions. I was over at his house collecting a light and stand
brain. I don't know, eight kids were going to run around us having them and we can be does. And I remember the conversation that
it was because you work your angel. Yeah.
And said, Do you remember are now I do. I I definitely remember all sort of happening. And I was so you'll get into social posts ready? Yes. What would you like to say? Yeah, definitely. I remember. He came on he was on air,
you know, between 46 pm and did a, you know, announced it and all that sort of thing. Yeah, it's interesting. A sad news
end of last week. It's Monday today, Anthony Bourdain dying
yeah so I heard that I mean he's got a lovely shows such an interesting dude. great presenter. And I had read really know much about him. And I saw it come out and I read the article. And it's like, I saw his age. And I immediately thought he's killed himself. Yeah,
because he's young young. Do what I just thought my first reaction was like an overdose. Actually, I haven't read any article since I have. So I don't know. I don't know much. But the thing I listened to mark Marin, who has WTF with Marc Maron the podcast, one of the biggest podcasts in the world had a bomber on Danny Yeah, yeah, he had Anthony Bourdain on in 2011, he gets rid of all of these older episodes, but he put that one out of that, you know, sort of to celebrate his life. So interesting. I listened to the whole 17 minutes or whatever, super interesting, dude, a guy you know, Anthony Bourdain is someone who sees himself as having had to lives he was a massive chunky
and so but he got beyond all of that but so he had you know, pretty terrible life Well, it's it's interesting sort of
contrast of from a pretty well off family but then just sort of doing the whole sort of chef thing and enjoying the lifestyle that was being high and working and was
amazing he was a heroin addict well at some point I don't know how that fits into actually keeping a job yeah maybe
I mean there are some function here on out it's so scary I mean he's yeah he was taken by that and then came back that's amazing because I never knew that history until recently about him being a heroin addict and you see him and he seems like this together you know well spoken you know driven dude on his show is like I mean he's presenting with someone who is um. I think what I find interesting is that he's a guy who that has been extremely celebrated and he's I think that the what he represents i think is a lot of positivity for many people which is like you can have all these things happen to in your life but there is you can choose to have a second life you can choose to whatever's happened to shift into and people will the thing is he talks about he's like a bankrupt and a lot of people who have bought into my ship over the years well it's like he's like you know he would come into a restaurant and speak to the owner and site you know, like this is what you need to do in your throw out a few French terms to describe the different types of food that he would it Mike and who'd get the job and he was just like, full of shit he would just I don't even know if he necessarily knew that he was full of shit he just
he was he had a real high regard of what he did yeah and the interesting thing is the more successful he's gotten the more you hear coming to the realization that none of it really matters
I think you say people like human then he also took his own life and you see these like it's such a clear thing success doesn't determine your happiness money doesn't have any happiness like when you say that that scale like him the achievements and the you know internal conquering is Dan of Damon's Yeah,
it's still isn't enough, right? He's friend was on my dad told me this is friend, he heard them talking on ABC Radio might have been taken from an interview she'd done and she said,
she said, it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, meaning taking a life and the way you feeling right now is like so true. Because
as much as you know, depression, you might not get rid of it. So doorbell we've got a guy named Andrew braise friend picking up some free plates which if you've ever listened to our episode about Gumtree you will know that somehow whenever we give it away for free it becomes a massive audio yeah we end up putting in why more work well
Andrew just takes them in really I
know but it's you know I think about my all my friends that have taken their lives in life I know that they haven't felt that deep sadness at every moment of every waking minute of their life and so that's
that really rang true for me that a permanent What am I out this ization What are you you know, this is a weird areas talking to. But what about this idea of diminishing returns? So, what about if he felt that he's like, he'd peaked and that all these like it, and he's in this pain? Like, I think that that's the interesting thing of, it's like, we're celebrating Anthony Bourdain now,
and he's, you know, I guess it's just a really this interesting thing, where in his mind is like, okay, yeah, I wonder where I wonder where he was, from, from a mindset point of view, can you I guess that the, the hypothesis he is that you have to be completely mentally unstable to do that. But I wonder if I wonder if there was, what was the details like, did they go into it? Like, isn't released? Yeah. So I don't like it. Because I mean, that would he have would he have practically said, it's like, Okay, I'm looking like, I'm 61 years old, or whatever it was. It's like, okay, what's the as you looked at the next 20 years?
I would, I would tend to think that it is not as thought out like that. I don't think you're in fog. You're in this. This is a foggy existence where it is do you have to think about I think about my maid who killed himself jumping off a bridge. Yeah. And I think about the moment I put myself in his shoes. And that's not the dude I know, who would converse with me about everything. And he's clarity was not there. He was emotionally charged in that moment. Yeah. And that's the that's the thing that scares me most about and makes me so sad is listening and hearing about how someone has done this and thinking about it when I wear that moment. Yeah, because it is a Yeah, as you said, it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
And I think it's the only solution that
and so I I asked me It's, I mean, it can be pretty dark. But I said to me, have you ever thought about killing yourself? Hmm.
And it's and it's and she said, yeah. When I was young, and she went into some details about some stuff, but she said, I never felt like I was actually do it. Yeah,
I think that I've, I've used used it as a tool to create clarity of said, What if it's all over right now? Like, you know, if it was then it's easier to have the hard conversations, right. But I mean, that's, that's pretty clear. I mean, I think that's
a it's probably the equivalent of like, if I was hit by a bus tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, this is, I think, legitimately thinking about it. Yeah, different and I'm sure a lot of people like, I've definitely thought about it, but never it never truly if I think about it been something that I would have done and it would it and it was only ever a time where I had so much fogginess about what where I was where I was going what I was doing and and it comes from being in pain and feeling like is there the solution to my pain? Is that Is this the solution
to the pain of feeling? Yeah. And so do you think? Do you think it's driven? is suicide driven by ego? I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean, yeah, I didn't even know where he goes. Fits. In
always, I guess it's, um, it's how we look at ourselves. Yeah, our, our identity, and it's like, it's the point in which the way that I would say suicide is, it's the Yeah,
it's reflecting, reflecting on your identity. Or maybe it's not even that maybe it's not even as deep as that maybe it's literally like, you've got a severe amount of pain inside of you. And this is the,
in some regards, that feels like the easiest, why this is solution to pain. I think that's, I think,
you know, shortly summarizing it, because if you think about that's what people think that is the solution. Yeah, to this thing I'm feeling right now. Because I yeah, yeah,
it's I mean, it's full on. Yeah,
this is like all these sorts of conversations is like, the reason why I even think about like, the whole kids thing and not having kids like talking, I was reading some article the other day where it's like this futurist is saying that there's like, 80% chance or the whole world will be finished in like, 50 years. And the 99% chance that it will be finished in it is
just sorry for that living in his his mind, if he always really
leaves it now, but if that is that the
you have like, maybe that is the real I don't know, maybe that is like, the reality like, how much longer I just have these moments of what matters like what
Yeah, well, I look at party and I, and I think about all these things. And I am and I am I made a video that was my brother's baby. And it was just about it was like a video for her to her. And to be honest, the sort of driving force behind it was me thinking about all of this stuff, the challenge that
people face young kids transitioning from a into being an adult, and how unclear it is, and there's no manual about how to get through it. And I was thinking, you know, in those moments where my friend was about to do it, thinking that no one was there for him or love team or, or felt,
you know, because a lot of people say, I think
that that's true. I think a lot of people say, I think a lot of people say in the last moment that this will be better for everyone else.
And that is massive amount of fog in their mind. Because you think that's a reflection on the people around them all the internal state because that's its internal state. I think it's, I think,
for the majority of people, and I am talking to the majority, I'm talking, I think more so the people around people who are unwell
are actually loving them, and there for them, and they going through something internally, and I'm sure you have to accept love. So the thing is, people might be loving them, and all that sort of thing. But if it's maybe their ability, like it's their ability to accept that around it. And if they can't, if they're not, if they don't love themselves, if they can't reconcile that poem, then it's very hard to let that in from around them.
There is a type in Jordan pages and talking about suicide onto YouTube. And, you know, he's a clinical psychologist. Yeah, that with thousands of people with, you know, talking about this stuff. Yeah. And he got this, and he's reading through this email that he got from a father who daughter had taken her life and he was Jordan was talking. And it was so fucking scary, because he said, there were some instances where there is no helping these people. And that's from someone who understands the brain better than majority of the population. Yeah, and he
said, but doesn't mean that you don't try everything. Well, I think that the, the other thing that probably suicide, you know, thinking about suicide, and talking about it does is maybe reflecting on the thing before, like, we can't control suicide, we don't live with, you know, yes, we live with suicide, you know, people committing suicide, but it's the, it's the things before it that we can actually can control. So it's like, it's not like, people go from happy to suicidal. There's this huge, you just have to go to Flinders Street, McDonald's, to say that there are so many people that are struggling. Yeah,
but I think the difference in someone who does it, like, think about all the homeless people? Yeah, they're not like, I don't know how many what this data is, but they're not killing themselves. It's not necessarily the people who you think are going to do it. And exactly the case in some of the friends that are taking their own lives. I could not fucking believe it. I could not believe it. Like the person they were. I never knew they battled that hard or that and that was why and so I've gone there in thinking about somebody and knowing them well, and then doing and then actually doing that and thinking about that, like, it's full on. Yeah, and so when you see someone that you go, dude, like the conversations we had the bubbly they were the happiness they seemed maybe a bit up and down but the highest of their true feelings internal was so good as in they were
like, what do you what do you mean they're not they're not
they're not the people I'm talking about have it weren't seeming really sad and just so down and so it's what I'm saying is that that's not always the way it shows it so look
at Robin Williams or you know, lots of lots of examples
Yeah, it's like I even feel like with my extreme personality that I'd be more predisposed to this sort of stuff so I try and think about it more and I try and like keep it in check in you know in a lot of ways but um yeah it's um it's difficult you'd be happy to know that break break Did you get rid of the plights the plight cigar and everyone just in case you just in case it we want it we're closing the loop I'm trying to bring a little bit of business live life to the show I think
all this stuff makes you feel it makes you think about what's important and if I had no business you know I didn't have any curry and I had my my wife and my baby and like that the way Wait What brings you joy in life and that and that definitely brings me joy my family and you know and so what matters and that's what I'm saying it's like when something is stressing you out it's so
the seller relevant
definitely said that to
Bray where I'm like, you know, I could be she's standing in the doorway looking at you and you perfect Yeah, I could be hit by a bus tomorrow. And
that keeps it
you can't pull that card every single time you get told off of leaving the and he's on the ground. Or there's one thing if you got hit by a bus tomorrow you'd stink because you're fucking jumper has been on for three, four weeks in a row. It's going well, Bray was behind you notice
it's it's fine. Where I'm actually going to wash it in the next couple of days.
But yes, I think it's just it's a moment to reflect what what do you think that you naturally reflect on in those in the when this news happened?
But I've been thinking about what what happened. Yeah, I know. I'm just I've thought about this so much. With so many people in my world, taking their own lives. It's like
it What are the signs are there signs?
Not necessarily my friend who I talked about
on the bridge, he messaged me on it was MySpace, then, yeah, he messaged me on MySpace, MySpace. Now, what was that messaging service. I'm MSM, MSN, so we didn't mean he used to just go hard on me. And he said to me
something like bro haven't been hanging out with me or something like that. I just remember reading through the logs after he passed away.
And I was like, Oh my god, like, you start looking retrospectively at any little thing. And that's what I mean. Maybe there's not warning sign
I mean, what did the cycle like what are the therapists I did you saw therapists after that was before that, and never because like a note about this, because you can't like retrospectively look back at these things and say, are here, I could have done something here. It didn't tear me apart. But I was thinking far out like that. Someone who's not a cry for help. And it's like you I was a disconnect. There was an example of disconnection, disconnection, where, I don't
know now you could miss him today, bro. You're not answering. Yeah. Fact off. You're like, but I wouldn't know. You know. And so that's what I mean. I don't know if there is and especially Yeah,
I mean, you just said I think actively asking someone how they doing and may like, I would never have sent that message. I said on the podcast, I saw that dude who I used to go to the gym with. He was a younger kid. And I saw him in an event the other week and he said to me something like I've been at the end or is like I've been hanging on or something like that. And I was like, Whoa, yeah. And he said in front of his mom and and he and to me. And so I messaged him I said, bro,
so good to see you. Sounds like you got a really good plan ahead of you. You know life's hard to navigate you know you're doing well bro. Just hang in there. And he wrote back the nicest message. Thank you so much. Wasn't heard this. He didn't say this. He wrote back. Thank you so much. Man. That means a heap to me. And I was like, that is just something that I picked up on our side. How would I have known that unless I've had all these people? Yeah, it's tough. Like, it's a way to jolt you into really thinking about how people are communicating to you when it happens to you. So maybe the thought is just think about
friends around you ask them that's
those what's the campaigns around you? Okay. is like a just initiating conversation could jolt someone out of that? Oh my God, this life means nothing. I mean, nothing, you know. Yeah, because it might just make it Oh, hang on. What the fuck am I doing? Yeah, because hopefully it is just fog and it can be lifted so I asked Alan give them a fuckin hug. Yeah
and I think it's it's also trying to bring this sort of mindset beyond these you know issues like you have these instances where things happen right where it's like how do we 365 days a year have the mindfulness and the self awareness to be thinking about these things rather than waiting for these terrible things in the world to happen and also like this The also the reality is that we we knew a character that was Anthony down yeah
and so that's you know there's a lot of people who were you know his family close friends colleagues camera people dealing with him working with him every day yeah that's
the people that I think about as well I empathize with people who have people like that and there will just you know sticking in there is one more can you do just being there for them if they need and just loving them because what else can we do really
before we go some thank yous yeah on the on the email high at the daily talk show.com Kathleen listening from London so good has has been has been telling all of her friends or four of them at this point
slow slowly but surely she converted three to it sounds
like a cold well we are a slight cold and
we also got one from David sure as yeah
who's at the camera FM yeah he's a Jonah having a crack at the calm calm radio. Yeah,
thanks dude. Thanks for listening. I like that you cleared that up now community right? Yeah,
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two guests for the next two days. So tomorrow we have Rob ward of that quite lock the iPhone case and the day after we have paid a shepherd who is a creative coach and one of the coaches for the old MBA which is the course that Seth garden started says Peter yeah to made a painter he's a big boy to to meet a tweeter on Twitter I said yeah, he's really man he's done well with the brand I like that it's
I remember is not I just typed in before to Google to meet a Peter Yeah.
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