#725 – Josh Piterman & Brad Blanks – 24 Hour Live Stream/
- May 10, 2020
Josh Piterman and Brad Blanks are back! We chat to Josh about his role in The Phantom Of The Opera, how COVID-19 has impacted the arts and his phone call with Josh Frydenberg about artists in this time.
We’re then joined by Brad Blanks again! We reminisce about our New York trip in 2018, interviewing Seth Godin and have a look at one of his notepads of ideas!
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– The Phantom Of The Opera
– COVID-19’s impact on theatre
– Josh Piterman performs a song from The Phantom Of The Opera
– Boris Johnson & leadership in this time
– Phone call with Josh Frydenberg
– What Brad’s been up to in the last 24 hours
– Cobram Caravans jingle
– Fast food in America
– TDTS New York trip
– Interview with Seth Godin
– Self development from having a podcast
– Brad’s notepad of ideas
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The Daily Talk Show Episode 725 and this is a two parter. We've got Josh Peterman. And then we've got returning guests Brad blanks after a full night's sleep. This will also be the last episode of our 24 hour livestream series. It's been so great to be with you all week releasing these one by one. I hope you've enjoyed listening to them. I think the 24 hour livestream idea was a huge success. And we're so grateful for everyone who came on it's gonna be great to go back and listen to these in the future. So I hope you enjoy this final episode. It is a two parter with Josh Peterman and Brad blanks.
I'm so pissed off. He He's there is so much better than mine. And I got it. I gotta take my
hat off. I haven't facially. No, no, no, I'm saying
into a podcast, or podcast, or whatever you want to call it, because I've slept
dry junk does that require does that work? Just quickly? Does that require some level of hot heat coming out of a hairdryer? Nah, no, no, the technique is a simple technique. shower.
Chuck the beanie on when you get the baby off.
You get back if I did, could you imagine if I had done that TJ when I had my hair would look like
no, Josh. That is so good. I'm so glad I know this because I did the exact same thing. And I would do it after and I reckon it's got something to do with like, the heat but then sort of like an oil buildup in my head. That just holds it back. Anyway. enough oil buildup?
how are you dude cuz fuck we I feel like You just sort of up and left and had this role on the Phantom of the Opera on the West End. And we didn't even know about we saw you on the a month or so before you left. I feel like you're keeping stuff from us.
I was caving stuff, it was strong level of of keep happening. And yeah, I was sworn to secrecy. So um, yeah, I'd known about it for maybe two months before I left. Yeah. So it was and that was when was that till July? June, July last year. I found I found it now. May June last year, I found out yeah. So and then I was out of the UK in July and I've been here ever since. And as you all know, it's it's it's pretty mad here at the moment.
And so what does that look like for the first few months of experiencing the whole thing?
Ah, I fear of the COVID thing or
the Phantom thing like before all the COVID shit here like what was it like?
It was It's awesome. I mean, like, you know, the fan of the offer is like one of the most iconic, if not the most iconic musical of all time. And the Phantom therefore is like the most iconic role of all time mask life is epic. It's like for me and being a sort of, sort of classical style Music Theatre singer, and pretty eccentric dude. Pretty big dude at times. It's like the perfect role to play. And I've dreamed about it for others since I started this thing and it's career building, whatever years ago and listening, watching Anthony wallow and all of that. So it's like, literally living the dream. And rehearsals were amazing, and, and it's been incredible. I mean, it is literally the role that keeps on giving. It's bloody hard. It's a taxing role. But it's Yeah, I chose awake but it's just, it's just so good to do like, I don't know. For listeners know like overbought viewers know What what that score is? It's it's the best music of the night there is no bit song to sing. Yeah, so anyway, it's been awesome. And then March 16 shit changed it
might just want to sort of bask in that sort of amazing time that you had white in the in the YouTube comment says, said that Phantom of the Opera sees it's his favourite. I remember seeing it like, I haven't even seen it right. But I remember, was running around the house saying that line, the Phantom of the Opera. And my mom would tell me and so my mom lived in London, and she I think she's seen it. And I mean, when was your first time seeing that? When was the first time you saw that show or sort of got introduced to that as a performer?
I was 17 when I got introduced to it. And so that was like 2002 and by that time, it had already been Running on the west end for 16 years without a pride like this show. I think we're it's a 34 years now. This is the first time I've had any sort of break. Like that's crazy. And so I was listening to an Anthony warlow CD, my mates house and it was his parents collection of dogs. And and yeah, I just fell in love with with that song with music. I didn't I hadn't heard the the tight that track is that is that how we say title to tiller. Anyway,
pay me like what's your excuse? It's 215.
And, uh, and so yeah, I was listening to it. I was like, This is what I want to do. It's when I first got into musicals and shouldn't begin. And I said, this is the role I want to do it. This is the song I want to sing. And so, yeah, it's sort of crazy that 17 years later got to do it.
What's the lifestyle? Like? Obviously, like pre COVID Is it like cafe culture? Like what what's the what's the actual like, what's the day to day in
which with a wish it was spectacular and sort of glamorous made but it's like it's such a big thing. It's such a big app. It's sort of easier to go from when I get into the theatre, which is about five o'clock for 730 show. I do about an hour of warm up sort of mental physical vocal, also have something to eat and then I get into the makeup chair at about 630 takes just over just around an hour or so to do the makeup and all the prosthetics and everything to because under the mask is quite the deformity.
We've got to get this thing looking
And, and then and then from there I do another little warm up and then I go on stage about 20 minutes into the show. And then after the show's done, I don't I Stratos people stage or and I don't talk from about 1030 that night till midday The next day, I'll do a bit of movement, some yoghurt or something ate when I when I wake up generally pretty late night really 10 years I said don't talk to me today and it's all really about recovering getting ready to do it all again. So in those five hours between sort of 12 and five and slowly warming up my voice a little bit as a gentle movement, go for a walk through some yoga and and an even chat to my family chatter. Lady my girlfriend and and then go in and do it all again on on the matinee days, Thursdays and Saturdays. All of that just gets pushed forward earlier and I'm in the theatre from about midday and don't get out of makeup until 1030. So yeah, I feel like
cafe culture then because it Seems like there's not only is there no cafes there's no talking like it's that that's my intent.
Jade JP we caught up in Sydney when you were doing the show up in Sydney it was the final run. What was what was that one?
Beautiful karaoke nice cafe?
Yes, yes. Yeah, were you still doing that show cuz there was cafe culture we we did have a nice kombucha. Yeah. Very rely.
Yeah, that was that was genuine, genuine cafe culture. I mean, occasionally if I'm if there's a cafe, they still happen about four o'clock before I get into the theatre. I'm not
obsessed with the cafe thing. I just, I just have this sort of like, vision of some sort of, I can't remember what happens in the notebook, but I just have these so no book. What is it? what's what's the movie that you watched the other day serves? The one Notting Hill and you know that that's that sort of vibe where it's just like, are you accidentally bumping into people but like, maybe there's some advocacy Nowadays with a bit of Federal Reserve anyway,
it's sort of like that. But when I was doing that show in Sydney, Tommy and yeah, because the role I was playing Jerry didn't really seem very much and so I did all the cafes, all the meats, all the branches, all the everything, Sam, so that that one was easy to spend my money on Evo and Fado. This one.
It's a high meadow.
Yeah. Well, the what would run the through the first few shows because I could imagine your heart is thumping. You're a seasoned performer, though.
Doesn't matter if you're always getting good.
Well, the beautiful thing about the first show so that was September 9, my family my parents flew over from us. And they were there for the first week. So they show so opening night and maybe my first matinee performance, and I had my cousins we live in London, my auntie or there my partner Laurie and her family from Scotland all came I had a couple of other people probably had a policy at about 20 a day. And they were going chicken oriental. Like, everyone was just going absolutely nuts, chickpea and lentil, if any of you are vegan. And it was, it was just amazing. And honestly, it's been one of those shows that. Yeah, you have nerves and all that, but it's just so fulfilling. Like, I just feel like my heart is so the cup is so full, as a creative and as a singer, as an actor. I just get sort of lost in it. And, you know, it's pressures and whatever, but there's always pressures to sort of do it eight times a week. And the other thing that's great about doing it is that it's a system. It's been going for so long. They know how to guide you through it. I know how to, like, you know, build your app to add a signet icon to it.
I just feel like it's, it's perfect for you like I'm meeting you. Hearing you sort of talk about it. Your your energy in person is, you know, you said you kind of know I didn't think you would use the word intense but like, you feel you're a feeler and I feel like you've just been loving this whole whole thing like it is so you at the moment when when it came March and the disruption, what is that doing to you?
Um, well, you know, I'm a feeler you also know, like a pretty, I guess like spiritual dude. And like, my sort of sayings are always this too shall pass and control what you know, the controllables and I mean, it's a virus. It's awful. It's hideous, and you know, way too many people it with it and way too many people have died. Find the financial disruptions, the economic disruptions. I mean, we know all of that. But, you know, not being able to put on a mask and do Phantom of the Opera, I guess bears into some sort of insignificance when you can pair it to, you know, the vast nature of what's actually happening around the world. I mean, everyone's affected. So my suffering is, it's no more sort of valuable than anyone else's suffering. In fact, it's far less than than most. So, you know, it's over for the time being, and it's quite on pause for the time being, and when things get up and running again, whenever that is and the people can go into theatres and, and they can do it safely. I'll just be back in the mask. Doing it again.
With a certain stages, so like, I guess, like, it's been a bit of time now since we've been in isolation, doing all that sort of thing. Has your opinion and thoughts changed over the time.
I think there's an acceptance that I really To about week two, or week three,
is not accepting it look like so before you get to week two, what does that What's that?
It's like, trying to control everything trying to, like, get on top of it, how am I gonna get income? How am I going to keep, you know, my voice out when we going back, you know, not trying to get all the information all the time, you know and be on top of life and then sort of surrendering to the fact that, you know, this will pass when it passes is was the lesson that I had to sort of reteach myself pretty quickly. And I'm glad I've done that sort of work in the past and I guess meditation and and being a spiritual will do to sort of help me with that. And, and, and now I'm in Yes, we all want to control certain things, but I think it's probably more beneficial to control what's happening. I guess between Once he is at the moment than an end, you know doing all the things to avoid the virus and it is to sort of you know spend each day fretting about your bank account. I don't know I just don't think it's a constructive mode of operation. panic because it's sort of governed by fear don't panic by um yeah.
Panic bought new linen
panic perfect panic bought although it's in the other room because the missus is using it a ring light and with the tripod to put the phone for like all the Insta live singing I was doing panic bought What do they call it like I'm not used to coming there. No, no like bands
can come in Come on.
Lot of you
Josh told me a nice missing
teen hours into a 24 hour livestream like these tired faces. That's Barry. Josh told me about that last
a lot he hasn't actually said anything yet
because yeah he doesn't know my look like that. It's a terrible I drained
what was that so having
Well, we were just talking about caffeine when we it's 2:25am here. And so we think that McDonald's might still do coffee so we could get that but we were too delirious to make a decision.
A few little groceries, little grocery
grab as a cup of coffee if you can, thank you.
Anyway, that's, that's sort of in short how how I've been sort of coping with it and I've got really I get quite busy and do this like really not case Insta live isolation World Tour, because I love singing songs in different different parts of the world. So I it was like 12 Scott world tour and I every few days I was somewhere else in the world and it was a bit of a laugh and you know, and we ended up in in Scotland. The next one that I did was brilliant, um, and I mean, it was absolutely nuts but it makes it like a thing and bring a lot lots of other artists into it, which is awesome. So he took all the artists did it and had to make new york join me both your campaign because that was really fun. And then this week, I've just gone I'm just really one of watching it. likes a lot so that's really all I've done
what was What are you watching? What was the first thing that your binged
visit is really series called founder. It's a about the Mossad and all of this sort of Hamas stuff. It's interesting. That was my that was my only accent. Um, it was really I was really, really strong. Um, yeah and then what's the last day the Michael Jordan thing? I feel like good into that. And then there's a BBC series called normal people about Sally Sally Rooney's book normal people which is dumb. Yeah, very good. Little bit of little bit of a lot of things guys. He was so tired. Yeah. You
know at night you know what we need? We need the vocal cords of JP to get us out. And about what's the song that you could just give us a little bit? I know.
We had them sing as we had seen earlier in the day whose son opportunity live on the show acoustically, which was ridiculous.
What What did you think?
I said, Come on the opportunity.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so.
I think I just had the days then. Opportunity was, I'm sorry, said,
How many hits did he have? There was a few there was.
Yeah, there was better days. What's it what's the other one? There's a bunch. I haven't Oh, my Spotify. Was that so beautiful? Yeah. So it was a big one. That was great. But nobody paid Mary song if that's what you're thinking.
Do a bit of Phantom because, I mean, I throw it out. JOHN foreman. I don't mean shot so I can give you a tiny bit.
Yeah, yeah. Got it.
Items since a sham
and schema is on slide.
Kind of music's gonna make you go to sleep guys. This is good. No, I love it. I love it.
Yeah, that's all you got to get
it's alright. You want to have a nightclub? What else
what else? What else?
Well, we bought from
you can talk. What do you mean us news? What about what was it about this?
Hi let's talk let's talk Boris
was just had a baby bar. Um yeah so I'm glad that he he survived it because it actually sounded like it was not gonna go so well bars
like just over a minute
but like a leader of a country dying from a virus is really hectic isn't it?
Yeah and he's speech afterwards just He was so emotional and Barack doesn't get passionate and takes a lot of power between things. So his emotion but actually almost in tears it was it was yeah I think he was you know in a bit of a shit way for a while so I'm glad he's on the other end of it nice he's got a baby coming there that's got a talking about maybe the end of the week I'll have a plan to deliver for us but I think went from being where you guys are. I mean, we still got like, yeah, thousand a day and you guys are like, what is it like 20 cases a day not even 10 cases a day?
Yeah, not even. I mean what's what is the you see how these things is like how SCO in Australia is handling. It comes from the bush fires disaster for him. And he's, he's, he's following or you know, his influence kind of shifted At the moment, like I think there's people saying, Come on, he's doing the best with what he's got. It's in a good place for but what people I know Boris is not liked by. He's a bit of a not as not as not as not a Trump but he's a polarising sort of conservative over there. And people started to warm to him.
When Trump I think, I mean, Trump is bereft of any sort of genuine human ability to feel another person. Yeah, he only feels himself and I'm not entirely sure he's doing that very well. But so far is is human. And, look, I think he's handled it well, since he decided to lock things down. The problem with what happened over here is they took too long to do it. And they had sort of, I think, maybe false information about the possibility of herd immunity and keep it going and then from Yeah I think they I think they just did everything a few weeks too late and we know with this virus is that a few days is is a lot so especially that that stop you so a few weeks I think when I saw was going on in Italy and that being close enough to the UK I probably should have acted a bit faster but and and yet lives lost and both should have hit the fan because of it. But since lockdown is been a kind of thing people are pretty, pretty okay with him. Generally like that's the consensus and yeah, working in the arts, not generally a conservative following within the app, but most people being like, Hey, he's dealt with it pretty good. And Rishi, the Chancellor's treasurer, I think people are really happy with him. I actually had a phone call with Josh frydenberg and I really wakes back up. I sent him an email because I was dumb. You I was dumbfounded by by and really just appalled with with the fact that assets don't have access to job Kiba even go job to job to job and even though they were in jobs that now they can't be in because of var and Sony's response my email is just like can I give you a call until he gave me a call and I respect the fact that he called up and was very good of him to call It's not every day that you'd get a call from the government treasurer. But
how does he answer like how does it all sort of connect up first of all, geez, is it sort of bit of named banter, like a bit of that gear, you know, just connect with
anyone? How are you like, how are you actually dealing with an emotional level? And then on that you want to come by? I think, I'm not entirely sure. He knew that I was actually up with what what was going on and in that I have a political and social conscience. And he sort of explained to me, you know, the difference between job seeker and job seeker and all that kind of stuff. And I know what that is. And the fact is that in your government and you loved the arts, you got rid of the name the arts, from any sort of form of government, you loved it with with transport and regional communications and, and whatnot and so out so the the, the bloke who has to look after the artists is nice to look out for the budgets of regional transport and communication, all sorts of stuff is not, you know, thinking about artists, particularly thinking about it as a bubble. So you sort of devalued the art there. And then when you said that artists can't get the job keeper, you devalued the art again, and you and therefore, artists feel like they're not careful. They're not understood. They're not valued. And he said, We you are value that needs to occur in legislation as well. And it nothing shifted. I mean, artists still can't get job paper unless you're in a job that's been running for over 12 months and as we know that's pretty rare for for artists I go dig too deep to get a contract a contract. I think if you're if you're in Harry Potter and have been from the start that musical that play, and then you've been going for longer than than 12 months, and so you can get it but I think it's absolutely when we look around the world at how other governments have dealt with the arts. They understand that the app is what people go to at the time. You know, people need entertainment, need help people need hope and a spirit and they need to be entertained. And so, you know, that was shown in the bushfires, the firefighter concert, the artists were the first people to come out there, let's raise money for it. And then it's a bit of a slap in the face when you go all right. Well, when we need you please come but when when it's time to have You know, dip into our pockets boy it was I don't think it's been met the way it should and I'll put up another alternative what they've done here is pretty simple but said if you're self employed you're not just show us your last three tax returns or an average of your last three tax returns. And, and we'll pay you X amount based on that. And I mean, every artist that is self employed person should be able to do the same thing. Okay, it's madness.
And have you heard of Captain Tom over in the UK? Who's right? Yeah.
Yeah, he's raised 30 over 30 million pounds and 100 years old. He's got a number one single
what is the story? What is what's what's the deal?
So lovely. Am I right? In saying that he's been doing he's been doing lots of his garden.
99 years old and
stainless steel. And people are donating all of that. And then and then Mako bowl who's a big Music Theatre star over here and came in and a big ensemble of people have done a version of you'll never walk alone which is
Paris sell the musical Josh get up and go for Liverpool anthem and it's gone to number one. So at 100 years old, he got his first he got a number one single I mean, he barely see this
stuff. I can imagine you getting into Tick Tock you on Tick Tock.
Okay, Josh, what
is it about me that you go, Oh, I can imagine that you'd get into Tick Tock.
You've got a cute face. You could be you've got sort of the face of a sort of a 16 year old boy that I think would appeal
be honest, JP, you're displaying a 16 year old as a 30 How old are you now? 3432 Imagine you're timeless, you got that timeless piece on so you've got like, you've got the
you know, you can sing you can do all that stuff like it, why wouldn't you? You know?
Yeah, it's just all much back in social media and adjust pretty much for me I can't do a lot he wants to get into it. And she put our version of the on Instagram on the world for a week. You know, a lot of singing some like beautiful, you know, Italian arias and Spanish ballads and all sorts of stuff when we got to Scotland like 91 band, you know, from Scotland. Give me one.
Oh, we found 500 miles. It was we dressed out. We did crazy targeting To Lahti, put that on, tick tock tick tock account that says Josh and ladies out so apparently I am on. But I can't bring myself to do a single video for it. I think it's all just, it's too much.
I feel like this is like stages, you know, like the you're gonna get to the acceptance bitten before you know it. Yeah, you're getting right into it. I was I had a lot of pushback, too. And then it's sort of like Yeah, so the daily talk show has an account. We don't you wet with some of the gronk. So we do sort of get amongst it, but it's good tunes. Like, if you want to know what's happened coming, what the kids are listening to. They dance to the songs because I went on to Spotify and I went on to the charts and I realised I'm like, I know all these songs. And it was because I've danced to them on tik tok.
But don't you? Aren't you guys also amazing maybe not yourself because you know, you couldn't be older than about 25 but I'm 20
He's 20 Yeah,
Wait Where you go? I can't listen to the radio anymore unless there's like, you know, unless I'm listening.
exactly racing to 774 I actually, I'm standing with Josh frydenberg only because of talkback
don't make that one pop tune unless it's by an artist who is like sort of giving me a massive old heart wrenching valid like a Louis Capaldi or Dell or Sam Smith or someone or Ed Sheeran. I don't know anything that's happened. So I couldn't dance to it.
What do you want me to do you listen like how do you find music on Spotify or what do you do?
Yeah, I I listen to a lot of old stuff. I did my workout today.
The whole night's
You can't go
you listening for the ask? The music cuz i don't think i listen for the art of the music I'm just listening to rap and do I feel like that's not you?
Well if it's
it's rap i don't think i go pop I think like dry 2000 is my album
one of the best ever. Yeah.
Oh, you know, send him a name you know that Yeah, yeah
yeah that's some of the bang is really mmm like you can put on any m&m song and sort of get into it you know?
Yeah yeah and a lot of trippy will revive like that? I don't I don't I think at the time when you like really decently at your mom, I'm sort of like that I pushed back at that. Like I'm like happy wrap, like whatever happened to just like Jurassic fire, you know just talking about but you know take it back to the concrete streets originally
cream on family guy. Yeah.
know, I love that I still I mean, I still think the most annoying thing about you pushing back on the tick tock is that you're talented. We can't sing Josh Yeah, we can't dance like you but you can and you have an opportunity but he's not taking
like, like deprivation that I'm I'm giving
you the face of privilege like you got this skill and you're not using it on Tick Tock you should be using it like I'm trying my hardest with no, no abilities just having a crack and he you are being ticked off
by people who have sort of probably frowned upon because he's like, stop fucking showing off. You know, you told him
that dude dances, no dances are killing it like that is If you can move there is some people that have gymnast's like it is still happening. I just spend a bit more time there. I mean, we don't really care that much. We just loop right now.
Between the gramme and the Twitter for us and then Facebook or whatever Facebook for to add a whole nother thing. Like, I also got in like, in like sleep and like, you know, be active. Maybe read a book
like this. What are you reading and you're reading books?
What you got to go well, normal people.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Praise reading that.
I know the last thing I read was the way of the Peaceful Warrior which the classic book but I tend to add to spiritual things, or sort of like just in read a lot of people in this stuff. And the thing about Elena. It's sort of like, go to war, Waterloo station, or Bakerloo station. I can't see this without a tuner in my head. But anytime I go to Waterloo station
and I go Look, I always had practice, right.
Right. So I always had to be like, every time I open this book, so I had that stuck in my head. And so I try and read it through the song in my head. And that's why two weeks in only 46 pages.
So you're a slow reader.
No, I'm generally a medium price great. I wouldn't say I'm fast ladies very fast. But I'm just um, I just have the song in my head and I can't get positive it's a bloody good book. So that's that's my, it feels like a very um,
book club book. I feel like I'm like I've seen The cover everywhere. Yeah, it's it's definitely got that that vibe, you know?
Well, it's winner of the British Book of the Year, a million copies. So yeah, well I'm Gail.
Oh honeymoon. It's a good effort.
Well, yeah, I mean, if you had
to write a book you think
would you ever write a book do you think
would I write about Josh Smith?
I get like I just I just romanticise You know, this, this existence. But then you do talk about, you know, not talking until midday and then just like a light exercise, and then yeah, maybe maybe there isn't sort of, you know, the romantic sign
that, well, there isn't, there isn't I mean, my my biggest joy comes from, you know, being out on stage, you know, you know, sometimes it takes 21 hours of, you know, going inward to that can spend three hours going out. But it's
pretty, like it's like an app that you're in. You're an athlete, really like it at that point, like being able to have that amount of discipline. You do crave discipline.
Ah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to speak with Phillip for that and like, you know, yeah, I mean, haven't talked about it since we got on air but Lottie will attest to the fact that like, I do my scales every day and even in lockdown them, you know, having gone back having singing lessons with my coach and working on things and, um, you know, it's, um, it is a discipline, I think, you know, if you're an if you're an odyssey geeks once or once a month or every, every few months or whatever, you know, you might, might not do do it all the time. And you can whip it out and come come to it and leave in and there's a bit more sort of simplicity in it. But if you're doing it icons awake, there's no way you can do it without having like, intense laughter and, and discipline. And that's what a athletes mentality. The difference is that for athletes, I think that that sort of, maybe I'm wrong, but like they push, push, push, push, sort of tunnel vision focus can really work. I think as an artist, it can only work so far at some point you're giving your heart and your soul. And I really sort of deep emotional place to deliver a performance that enables people to feel like you need to go to a place where you feel deeply in order for 1500 or 50,100 50,000 people to feel as well. So that's where it's sort of different. It requires I think, both discipline. And so yeah,
it's so impressive. I just think like,
it's so good saying Yeah, saying it'll unfold for me when we're in New York City. We're in Washington Square, or wherever you guys would like you to slip You were you were you were invading an energy about you
had to renew your AV
Chrono you're moving now this like, as amazing as a little bit of a
I just cannot believe you guys are doing it. I'm so impressed, but I'm also baffled about the madness of it.
Like what inspired you guys 24 hour?
I think it just came from because we we it's just a nice round number. And being in being in ISO, as well, I guess it's just like, it's like Why not? You know, like, why don't we do some people walk marathons like and we're going to check to make Tom in Vienna has just walked a marathon while we've been doing the show. People do dumb shit. You know, Tom's wasted his whole day we've wasted our whole day you've wasted an hour like we all do. But we appreciate it we have fun.
when you when you're like it was different The thing with a 40 hour famine Is it like, because we've spoken about being affected and stuff? No, no, but I am. I remember there were very cool.
Beautiful, man. Okay.
I appreciate it. But not I think I pushed back on it a little bit because I was worried that I would get very obsessed with the whole thing. But did you ever do it?
No, but in a time in my life where I cared more about my ads and my vocal cords. I definitely did a lot of fasting.
Like intermittent fasting and all that stuff.
It was an experience. It worked. wasn't necessarily, but it worked. So yeah, I don't I yeah, if if it's for you, it's for you, but like, I like food by eating. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean the payments are great cause I'd do it something like that but not a go trip on 24 she's Thomas but other favourite series of all time bloody series.
Who's the man?
never seen it.
Bow love my boys.
Oh, it's so Jules lamb was telling me that back in the day, TV series weren't popular for actors to listen to frowned upon us cinema, not TV you. And then jack Bauer on 24 became the person that sort of was like oh my You can have a successful acting career as a TV star now in these big series and it sort of look at it now like how biggest some of these actors just from TV series like well, I want to put it
that Alan Fletcher Dr. Cow Weibo jack bowed out out on neighbours for 25 plus years so he was way before jack Bauer and and still they're going strong so Croft, Allen Fletcher that that sort of grew up like this this series. I think 24 was like one of the before like Kristin Reich and all those other awesome ones.
I think that was the HBr
but it was certainly one that everyone like watch and what a great con. It's like a in the life off and in absolute real time. You know? 24 hour
to stop the bomb to do something like that. Yeah yeah,
Josh we're gonna go because we've currently got Tom who's got 10% battery and we need to get him on the call because he's just literally water have sorry a marathon in BMT too. So 40 to 42 K's Thank you so much. Sending you lots of love and daddy for me.
Thanks Mike. How's it going?
Brad blanks is in the building.
Here it is.
Red play fellas. sees you looking fresh. You look good.
Up Now we're having some Mac is breakfast. We've got Mac has
told me I'll get my lethargic zone to the south is usually when I'm having my lockdown. nap. Gotta find myself say that well done what a what a performance you guys have put on what a show. The gronk so happy out there in the world. Yeah, social media is a buzz of this crazy group of people that have created this. And that's you guys so well done.
What have you done today, Brad? What have you done?
What's your last one? Yeah,
yeah. Yeah. 24 hours. Good. Good. That's good. I don't know if the family I decided to drink last night. So had a few beers kid. misses went to bed early and I stayed up watching TV Actually, my 10 year old son I watched Moneyball with him. I love that movie with Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill based on the great book Moneyball. So I tried to teach my kid that the value of
the book I couldn't. Whether you joking or not, it was a bazooka.
No. Serious. Yeah. Great book. Phenomenal book. Yeah. And it gave me my love for bicycle. So yeah, it's great. Good. Michael Lewis wrote it actually, you know, The Big Short.
Good Book, you should rush you would lock that. I actually think you'd like the the film itself. And then The Big Short, The Big Short. Awesome. Awesome.
Yeah. It's interesting like Moneyball. I had not watched it for nine years. And then watch it last night, and it doesn't really end there like it. There's no real ending. It's just nice. It's just sort of finishes gently. Yeah, Brad Pitt walking around and it's, it's good. Good film. Yeah, Josh.
Do when you got Brad Pitt the film just walking around? Just looking like Brad Pitt. And then just finish the deal. Everyone's like,
based on the baseball thing, Brad, like, Have you always been a Yankees fan?
Ah, look, Yankees being a Yankees fan. You become a front runner right? So I live in New York and I have a love for the Yankees but I always wanted to see the Mets do well have a lot of friends that are Mets fan I'm a Western Bulldogs fan in Melbourne. So I'm probably a bit more bit more Mets fan base that I that I'm that I'm a part
of. So the Yankees have been that's like slightly controversial then
fashion get cut controversial Now look, I love the when you go to Yankee Stadium, you watch the Yankees, you know, you're watching something that's the pristine you know, great product they put out there and it's, it's ugly. It's legendary to be out there. So I but I'm a little bit, you know, a little toe in the Mets camp to support Jerry Seinfeld. You know, he loves the Mets. Yeah. Yeah, they actually asked him TMZ asked Jerry Seinfeld a few about a month ago, for probably two months ago now before locked down. They said, Jerry, why don't you buy the Mets? We need someone like you running the Mets lightning fan. And Jerry came out with his great, great quote, why would you buy a baseball team because really the pinnacle of owning a baseball team, the pinnacle of feeling not necessarily owning it, is to sit in a seat, have a beer, eat a hotdog and watch baseball. Nothing can be better than that. And it was a beautiful son fell in line. He's so true. There's nothing more pure than just sitting there. Why would you want to own it and have the pressures of selling hotdogs and selling bees and getting attendance and that we need to sit there, relax, drink a beer, and eat a hotdog and watch America's pastime?
And definitely, it is so true. Hey, just one thing before my mind. gets the better of me. Just after you were on Brad 20 something Yeah. 20 Collbran vans song. We have someone who works with your dad. I think he knows about it.
Yes, yeah, well, data analysts name our events.
Can you sing the song because that's what he requested?
Yes. All right. Yeah. This is what I used to sing at parties in the the Marie Marie Golden Valley region of Northern Victoria. And people thought I was the actual person that sang it on the radio. This commercial would go for all country Victoria and southern New South Wales on all the radio stations. I'll kick off. All right. Well, Peter Reynolds, he's your man. He's from carbon caravans. He'll do it right for you. Brand new second hand. He'll do the best deal that he can. It's Peter Reynolds. Kaboom caravans Oh, yes, indeed.
Good. Yeah. That was that was running when I was in shepparton. Yes, yes. 2020 1415 No shit. As soon as you start that caravan. Ah, man, they brought back memories.
The memories. That was
that was um, that was from Tim. His dad works
for Pedro. So Alright companies your data pages your dad brought
up the pages my dad yay he's clicking on he's about 76 years of age still going strong. The whole Coronavirus is missing he can get cuz he's had such a wonderful business where people have always walked in people always want to say a caravan caravans are interesting people that are into them and people that are tickling into the caravan business love going in and a lot of gadgets in a caravan. Yeah, what? Yes, space maximisation.
you cupholders. It was a revelation when microwaves got inserted into them back in the late 80s. Yeah. But a dad just couldn't believe that no one was walking into his business. I'm like, Dad, we're a global lockdown. He goes Yemen, people still need caravans. I like that. No, this is this is bad. Luck down. And then a week later you right? Oh, yeah, I think I figured it out now. Yes, you're right. This is pretty serious. I just just ate some noodles ain't no It'll suit, ring your account make sure everything's fine because when this gets lifted your business is going to be the Bubba Gump of Travel and Leisure. Yeah, ready? Yeah.
All right at the McMuffin that I'm just about to wait got me thinking What is your favourite fast food in the US just why?
Ah look I've tried to watch what I eat lately yeah over the last few years but I'm so that means I can tackle the chip outlay the chip like Chipotle a burrito? That's probably the fastest food and that you think is healthy look. I'm a Mac is guide on a bread smash that Shepherd in McDowell. I lived in Cobra which is 45 minute drive north of shifts. I grew up there and we'd always pull into the ship McDonald's at Tommy would know. And sorry, when I was five when I was Yeah, they opened when I was reading the what? Yeah, the the it was the one was cut.
Okay, yep, yep. Josh, you've been to that one but at one point there was I think four in shipping. I didn't know that right. There was one one at the Plaza one North thing. Oh, yeah, there was for one of the plaza one north in one south in and then one in the mall. Right? They've got they've got fucking 40,000 people they don't need formatters No,
no, no, it was such a revelation in 1982 83 to get a McDonald's and shepherd and, and it was just unbelievable. I get five cheeseburgers at a time and just smash them. So lumber makers, and I've even been and I essentially had three years off McDonald's to try and you know, cut my weight. And I'm gonna make a comeback after this COVID will get me back on the McDonald's bandwagon because I deserve it.
There's so many options though. Isn't there? Like I feel like there's in regards to fast food in the US. What do you think about
Wendy's put out a good product, which is good.
Larry widget in the YouTube comments actually mentions Wendy's. Yeah.
Yeah, they look healthier, they let us look healthier and they do a nice salad and that sort of stuff. And they shop so if you had a good shop they they're quite nice that flowers on the table and sort of the more suburban ones. And what else we got? We go to McDonald's which I love chick fil a
chick fil a lazy for a huge arm. Yes,
it's on the corner of six Sixth Avenue and 39th Street and when it opened lines when around the corner, they've opened a couple more in the Midtown area huge just your massive and they took a long time to come to New York there are more of a southern Southern fast food and like the chicken is so good and you get chicken and Peter and chicken bonds and oh my goodness. Yeah. Fantastic. And you'll get you'll get lost in there that chick fil a place but um, that's good.
You like man? You're frozen Josh with the way your
heart is not moving? Yeah, no.
Do you like Nando's Right
yeah Nando's I hit when I lived in London I hit Nando's the one in Earls Court that's yeah that's about 9798 99
and I don't think I
took when I went back to Australia and that that what did I eat? I ate that a lot of that and someone will help online when I moved back from London to North bonsai and I hit the chicken place in LA Yeah, there
was a quote by none and that's not
it's not the one you're thinking of Josh it was it's gone now. It was in North bonsai.
Oh really? It's jollies It was like, what was it called? fashion the one that was in turn Pete's got to deal with or not.
And for them what's nice is it was North monnaie You know, it wasn't char grilled. It's it was a little chicken shop in North bondo Yeah. It's gone.
Oh, yeah. Cuz otherwise be in there. And we'll Anderson would be in there at the same time. Ordering easy chicken dishes when I was in there that's that's 2000 when I moved back and live there, smash that chicken joint. Oh, delicious. Now I've never had
a long bond I, I can't teach you.
I want to get the big,
the big the big six foot seven or the blind, did you? Well we trying to
trade in the area, I reckon I got there to pretty good period it was in that flux stage where it was just about the boom, and I'm going off. I left there in April 2001. And a lot of friends stay, you know, stay still in there for a while. And as I said it just zoomed off, you know, one or two or three solos in there and this the Sydney Olympics era and it was good. I can feel those polymers Yeah, we would go to the beach road hotel every Wednesday night and you know, smash a chicken chicken schnitzel is at the back there and then into the bar and upstairs. It was kind of like I'd come from London. And come from Europe and the backpack is saying, so I was like just stepping straight back into that scene. It was it was giving everyone Swedish, English South African. It was just it was going off. I'm like, I'm like I was like a foreigner in my own country. It was it was fun.
How are you as a host? Like a we got to see your hospitality. When we're in your for the short, short period for those longer trips. If you have family coming over to the States, where do you and you have to have a few days What do you do?
Well, first what would happen in so I got to America in October oh one and I slept on friends couches and whatever. And eventually I got my own place in May 2002. And I got a hotel room was a trade deal for the radio station. I've told you guys about that the hotel Pennsylvania across across the road from Madison Square Garden. I lived in there for six and a half years and So I had my bed made every day, which was exceptional. But in that time of living there, and I had a suite, I had this I had my own little room with a daughter over on this massive suite that would overlook Macy's. And in that suite, I got like, four roller beds, and I put them in there and I had about 150 people come through and stay with me in that time. Now the reason I had people stay with me Even I get it, like, let's just say, you know, Josh and Tommy you go to me, Brad. Yo, um, we're not coming over on this trip. But Mr. 97th coming over, would you like to catch up with him for a BM and Mr. 97 to come over? We get on the B's in the first night, nothing crazy. And he goes, I'm sleeping in this hospital down the street and I'd be like, Devon, come on. This time of me now, buddy go. So he'd come in and move into the spare room on the fold out bed. And that is how I sort of collected people staying with me. And one of the reasons I did it is that I'd love to hear from Mr. 97 but I didn't need to have to have repetitive meetups with people I didn't really know. I could just see them over a quick coffee after my morning radio show. It was so busy in the hours I was working Yeah, pretty much 24 seven you know, these jobs aren't yeah radio jobs are always on the hunt and us out there having a crack and, and I couldn't really just have social three hour sessions on Tuesday night. But I still wanted the social aspect of mainland Singapore so they just stay in my spare room and yeah, hundred 50 people came through actually had I am I had, you know, it picks the the under 40s Club, the Australia it's a global club and they do working bees. You know, my dad was in apex, you know, when I was growing up and they had an X ray union in eight guys. And they're all like 65 year olds and they all came and stayed in my foldout beds because it was my dad, my dad, my uncle. He's their friends and yet and Jesus, they drank a lot. They drank from their belly. I am every every night and I was getting up at 430 go to the radio station these guys were wild but but I enjoyed that hospitality side of it but it was a little bit selfish it's just Josh I couldn't I couldn't give too much time and socially because I was still having a girlfriend and to keep her
so just have it die then when you have a family you know having your joint now I
no no no that's yes the habit Scott and I'm a big now I people hit me up when you come to New York. I'd love to have a beer. But I'm a massive 5pm to 7pm b guy that I just do the happy hours and then yeah, no one no one gets hurt. Yeah.
That's good. Tom,
how many beers from five to seven? What do you what do you get?
Yeah, I stick to the light beer but that doesn't mean lighten alcohol. You develop discussion before. It's about four and a half percent or probably six six beers, and I reckon you can corner life big issues when you meet some in that time. Yeah, when there's not a when it's not a transactional meeting when it's just a pure meet up with a stranger. You can get to the root of things pretty quickly. magette Actually,
that's almost at the that's to be you need to have two beers. So they must do a double round for yourself when you're going up, or for you and like, so much getting full Bs and around.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Did you guys go to McSorley's did that ring. Does that ring a bell? No. Look, I think it's 97. You're hot on there? Yeah, Mussolini's. Yeah, look that up. They left me that next time and he only spooked me then because of the for when you buy a beer, you can only order light or dark. And when you order one on one beer and the graph, white Irish waiter was a lot of dark and light, and then you'll get to and then you'll go to the waiter Hold
on. Only order But one
he goes, we serve two per round per person per order here. And it's it's awesome. And it's very much like the soup, Nazi BIA Irish waiters, the guys that have had many great times and then we'll go there. When we come back sawdust on the floor. They say it's the second oldest.
I feel like you
told us about this. I think you wanted to take us there. But we didn't. We didn't have Yeah. We didn't have time. The sawdust on the floor definitely rings a bell. Yeah.
on your trip again. Yeah. Cuz you put out such great content and people should be able to look can I? Can I google on your site or search on your site for New York interviews? Because Yeah, I saw you interviewed Eddie backing him. Yeah, a good friend of mine of Chinese tuxedo fame, you know, is fantastic. And you run into Chase Jarvis on a street corner. Is that Yeah, we had
that happened. It was the day off. It was the day of interviewing Seth, Seth, go And we were walking along near the the, the flat iron building. And there was a guy with noise cancelling headphones and I said to TJ, I'm like, that's Chase Jarvis. And I sort of kept walking him. I should we should be stopped. I just like to ask him. And so, TJ like bravely because he was wearing Bose noise cancelling headphones on a call and just sort of tapped him said, Oh, yeah, it was like,
he was a bad I don't want to call it making calls on a corner. And he just finished one. I got him as he got off that jazz, Big Band. A couple of blocks from Ozzy we're about to do a podcast just I just sold it to him. He's a creative dude though. He gets it. He's like, sweet, you just make this call and I'll jump in. I said jump in when he kept doing it. And then he just came.
It was really interesting because it is telling that story. You Wouldn't known how he would be off. He's really good on camera when he's on. But he kind of got him in an awkward moment. And he was very, and I could sense that he enjoyed it. When I listened to that interview he enjoyed coming on with you guys. And
I think it's a good reel of being in New York. I could imagine like he's not from New York, I think he's from Seattle or something like that. It's like, being in New York having to random gronk from Australia, come up. And I think that that was part of it, which I'm sure that you do within it. It's like you want to try and slip in the fact that you know who they are like, you want to give them those little hints that like that you follow them and all that sort of thing. So yeah, it was
on that day. How did it work? So you when you got the call up to interview Seth Godin, and he's up in Tarrytown
is that Hastings on? Hudson on hate Hastings on Hudson?
Can you talk me through so you guys are on the train. I mean, this is this is a huge Get right and obviously, you have to interview him. Are you nervous on that train journey as you're going up? How are you feeling? Have you prekow? What's your mindset?
How do you feel sweet it was we got up at 430 we got up like some ridiculous hour because we're like, we can't miss this. We were in. Where were we? So no, sorry, hi, Little Italy or what's the the Lombardi's pizza, we'll just like across the road from there, that's where we're staying. And then we jumped on the subway and went to Grand Central Station. So it's completely dark steel. And so then we got on that train that takes you out of Manhattan, and it was dark. And so well, we didn't really get to experience sort of, you know, the the view that we got in the way back was you know, saying school bosses like a whole like yellow field of those school buses and the beautiful Hudson River. We didn't experience them the way they so it was very like they were pretty quiet. It was like the first time first night in New York, second night in New York or first night. And
we, finally Yeah, we'll definitely nervy though. But the train was really nice. It was almost like the equivalent of like a V line train or something you'd have in Victoria. So
I was nervous for you, Josh, but you get the darkness when you get to ease down. And then now the light was coming right
now that the lights coming up. And so we we ended up going to a diner. And there was a really lovely lady from Yonkers. Yonkers. Yeah. chosen misty from Yonkers. And she was, yeah, I've been working there for 20 years or whatever. And we were probably 200 metres away from Seth Gordon's office, and so we were like, Are we out Like she's like, oh, what are you doing? She thought was so cool. It was a couple of Aziz at the diner, and she said, you know, what are you doing, he said, are where we're interviewing Seth Godin. She's like, I know, I don't know who that is. I want and then so we show a photo might Surely you've seen him around.
I sort of looks familiar.
But you get the sense that Seth, I mean, he's, he's veggie or vegan. He's like, I don't know if it was a pretty, like classic diner experience. And I feel like I don't know if I could imagine Seth potentially going to that time.
All right. So when it when your time comes, yeah, you're 10 minutes early, and you go up to the office. So
I think we must have been 40 minutes or something. Or at least.
Yeah, you know, yeah, we were like an hour and a half early to to Hudson on Hastings. But then we spent time in the diner. drank way too much coffee need to piss too much. And then we went to the supermarket. Then we were Classic like imagine if he came down. We were untangling XLR cords and the bottom of these alphas like downstairs just out the front. And if he rocked up it was like a
junior was it actually it reminds me walking in reminded me of the Willy Wonka scene where Charlie goes into his office at the end. And I think he's like he does that whole scene where he's angry, whatever, but it's his quiet and he's sort of like walking through the office. And it's because we walked in. And what's the sun name is it mo is Mo. Mo Yeah, such a nice Seth son who's a like a web developer or whatever. And he was he he introduced himself like we saw knocked on the door sort of half open. And we walked in and we introduced ourselves whenever he said our dad's just on a call with Dropbox. He's on a call or whatever when Seth came out he said our Dropbox I'm having troubles with my Dropbox I'm I'm speaking to the product manager of Dropbox and trying to get them to fix a Dropbox he was like, not happy about the dropbox gate. Yeah,
I'm gonna go take a drink you you always did the you do the polite thing and written decline. You're like God if I see I'm like, man I'll I'll have a tea. But then he got into it. Yeah, do you want
he has old prime numbers or whatever like mugs with prime numbers. You had a rubber duck just sort of sitting there and just like you just shoot everywhere like it's not a minimalist. He's got so much stuff just like stocks like there's so much so many books that he's obviously like hasn't gotten rid of all the stock and it's just like piles of paper and I I gave him the handheld mic. He's like are my show I can't hold the microphone. I've got a bad shoulder. And so he, he took a mic stand that was designed for like a desk mic and put like a vocal mic in it. And I was just like, I said something like, I need to get out. I will taking photos or whatever I'm like, I'll avoid that. The mic that that mic set up. Remember, he gave pushback because he's like, if it works, it works. Like he's the type of guy that he he had his bathroom, that he'd converted into a voiceover booth. So you think of the most echoey you know, the worst room for reverb would be a bathroom, and then he's taken his shower, and padded the whole thing. But it's just like janky like cables everywhere, just like you know, 1000 USB key like you would have every sort of cable. It's almost like a mad scientist.
And yet he's so clean cut and how he talks and how he presents. It's totally opposite of what you think. Except golden wood. That's Yeah, that's good. Sorry. Good. Good job. That's great.
He's a man. He's a man of the mind. Right? Like it's he's, it's easy in his mind that is his superpower.
Right? Hmm, yeah. And when you open up, turn the mics on and go, is he do you feel that he wants to help you in your question? Was he kind and generous? Or did you have to be? Ah, did you feel you had to be on point? Now he was so generous.
Oh, sorry, generous. I mean that I think the the most amazing people to interview and I'm sure you know, the ones when you ask a dumb question, they give you the best fucking answer. And he's that guy said ask him anything. And he will just find the nugget. And it's like, I didn't even ask him a question. You've just answered something profound. You know, I think he does that work and that's that's his generosity, right? That's what Lies, right.
What was your pitch to him though to get the interview?
How about our radio? I could read it to you if you want.
Oh, that's great idea. Yeah,
but it's been it's been fascinating, right because yeah, he's beloved by marketers and people and you know and men people, ambitious people pleasing people wanting to get ahead and, and also very successful people idolise him so he's this interesting guy and you guys got on a train set it up, went up there and and got on a plane interview got
Not really impressive. Yeah, he got that interview.
Yeah, so that would have been what so that was November 28. Sorry. October now it wasn't September was it? It was
Yeah, I flew out on I flew out on grand final day. So
good, Brad. How do you remember that? Yeah,
nice friends. animate UI you reference
like an old one. to autism type of thing like he really like that maybe?
Yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know I love diets.
I like diet. So if I said the 14th of September 1990, the 14th of September 1990 would you remember my birthday?
Ah, was your birthday and you were born then? That was your fourth birthday was
the 14th of September 1990
right for all remember that now? Yeah, yeah, I remember it now. I used to be able to, you know, 20 years ago can tell you what it was that day. But But now there's been so much going through. I know where I meant to be every single row this moment. I meant to be to the last 18 years I'm at Churchill Downs Racecourse in Kentucky, Louisville, Kentucky for the Kentucky Derby. And that's called off this year of the obviously and this is where I am at this moment every day, which is an odd that amazed that I've managed to keep my marriage alive because it's my wife's birthday today as well. So
you animal that's okay, here we go.
That's all that's a whole nother story. Tell me things
Here we go the rain. So this was the. So this email was sent the 24th of July 2018. To set the garden. Hi, Seth, a couple of months ago, you were nice enough to write a sentence describing Peter Shepherd, which I use to intro him when he was a guest on our podcast. So basically, when we knew we had Pete on we said, Seth, like a very short message. Seth, we've got Pete Shepherd on Do you have anything night? Like, is there something nice that you would say about him that we can sort of quote before writing nice enough to do that, which was cool. It was something along the lines of if I was in the middle of the ocean, I would I would want Pete there with the boat or something. So this is what I said. I've now done 135 episodes of The Daily talk show with my mate Tommy. We started the show to ship regularly and provide company for ourselves and our friends who work for themselves. We manage to create a small listenership of diverse people, full time bloggers, train drivers, accountants and filmmakers. We'll be in New York City in the first week of October. If you're available and interested, it would be our pleasure to have you on our show one hour or 45 minutes, a quick portable audio setup. We chat about self starting about old MBA about ambition and friendship, please let me know if you're willing to be on the podcast. I completely understand if you're too busy. Or if it doesn't make sense from your end. Thanks for everything you do. So it was the first one What do we think that is
beautiful? Oh, my goodness. Oh, that's a layout. That's right. That's just Oh, it's just like wrapping putting a bow on it, which is what it's all about. Just I mean, there's a lesson in that email. Just one. So
that was on so I sent that on the 24th of July bringing I would have been travelling in Italy at the time. Right so we hit pause. Katana. Yeah. So that was when it all landed. And that's when we found out Yeah. And so the This was so we went plant like we hadn't actually locked in that will go into New York that wasn't sold in TJ still had to tell him or ask me, Hey, this is something we want to do. So it was very early days we had no intention. But if we got Seth, we were planning on doing it. So he writes, writes back on the 31st after I sent the first one on the 24th, he says, Thanks, Josh. I appreciate the note. And sorry for the delay. Are you hoping for audio only? That's probably easier remote. Can you point me to the podcast past episodes? And I said on the 31st of July, let's see how long so I took three hours to write back to him. I said thanks so much for their response. Seth. Yes, audio only. If you would be more comfortable doing it remote. I completely understand We'll make that work. From a conversation dynamic point of view. We do prefer in person as being in in the same room has a different energy we can make either happen at our end, if it was in person, I can assure you that would be quick and respectful of your time, no interest in hustling, or, as we say, in Australia taking the piss. Here's a link to the episode with Peter shepherd, and our chat with Jordan Evans. She also has done alt MBA, and K travelling for the next couple of months. It's my co host, Tommy and I are doing the show remote. We'll be meeting up in New York City and Los Angeles in October to do the podcast from their side note, Tommy, my co host, and I absolutely loved your conversation with James teacher. Your words around small audiences and the intimacy of spoken voice really resonated with us and it completely aligned with our vision of the daily talk show. Thanks so much for getting back to me Seth, Josh. And so then he wrote Back, enjoy the episode with Peter. And thanks for not hosting my email address because I think I, we talked about having his email address, I can do it with you guys, the second or third, I can add a lot of energy remotely. But if you want to come up, that's okay. But I need to minimise the in and out in time because it's crazy a crazy month for me. So if you want to come shake hands record, and then hit the road, that's cool, but I don't want to be rude. And so yeah, and so what's your take on it? Yeah,
no, I think I mean, he obviously that the in person thing. It's more. It's like that whole thing when you do a meeting and then you leave the meeting, go to the bathroom and then take the elevator inside person you had the meeting with? It's like you've already done your goodbyes. Yeah, and then you've got to make small talk and that meeting might have gone bad if it's your idea or something. Yeah. And you finally you like this, he just wants you out. I mean, which is not
Yeah, definitely Yeah. Like,
there's no mate ship afterwards, it's all gonna be left on the table or in the microphone, which is wonderful and, and approved that. That's that's really good. Just a great guy I've got I asked. Yeah, on that. I've got one topic on Seth Godin, I need to ask you guys for like the fact that your show is the daily talk show. But something he said, I know, you brought it up in one of your interviews, I think you might have brought it up with Andy Lee. And it was to do with the fact that you just and it's one of several I've heard him talk about you do the podcast because you do a podcast to arrange your own thoughts. So in some ways, you're doing a podcast, obviously, you want an audience and all that. Yeah. But the mission of the podcast is to organise your own thoughts to be your own creative, whatever endeavour you're doing outside of what a podcast has
serves. serves as your light gone out. Oh my god. He's actual light has gone out but it looks like pitch black. He's just he's like,
That make sense?
Yeah. Yeah. So I definitely TJ you can talk to that. Well
how do you become more articulate? And we by speaking, and for me, it's, it's it's probably not the best approach. I think I've become, I think I've become smarter or more. what's what's before being articulate, you need to have it in your mind or you need to have the thoughts in your head. I think I've been able to definitely arrange it in my mind by trying to vocalise it first and make that mistake and fumble. I think that is that's worked really, really well for me. I think that that's a part of you. I mean, it's like the cathartic nature of talking about what is on your mind. And I think it's, you know, the, the real that you get from it and there's all those factors of connection and, and heating those things that align with, you know, your, your passion or you know, like storytelling or entertaining all these things being hit in that spoken word or this kind of a format. I think, what do you think jazz synthesiser?
Like it's it's similar to writing. So I think that like we write right to construct our thoughts and ideas and I think that that's like for me it's more about conversation and listening I think like having a you know, a team and then having guests I think that that's that teaches me about listening things. Yeah, I think it's a huge part of it like the self development bit.
Yeah, and that's it and he has that point, doesn't he? He's a golden says that everyone should have a podcast. Just basically to what because you guys have got go gave different answers there, which was wonderful. So it's different than I presume I was just going to the podcast Batman. The Golden says everyone should have one because in a write your thoughts, Ryan's your thoughts. That's the beginning of everything. And it just fascinated me. And I know you guys have said that. I think I even said when I met you the fact that it was daily, your show was daily and I was like, wow, this is gonna get a lot of work for you guys, but and you've smashed through it being I know, it's a lot of work, but you make it look very easy now, but is it that whole idea that you will enter a conversation and you'll have already thought about things you're gonna answer? Not necessarily researching, but now it will be constructed when you sit down for that one hour chat with your guests the following day.
Yeah, I think it's also like, repetition is a big one too. So like, the more you sort of say things and communicate, it's very active. I think it's also hard to sort of quantify, because you just sort of end up. You make these small changes. And so yeah, I don't like it. I think that part of it, I think it's whatever you put into it. So you probably could say that the practice of having a tennis racquet and a bowl and hitting it against the wall would provide a bunch of benefits from my hand eye coordination, focus, all of these types of things. And I guess that that's, I think, repetition in any form, whether it's writing, speaking, I think that the thing with the speaking is speaking is more about the listening. It's about like, thinking about what, what is what am I saying now and how is it relevant to the people who are listening, what do they care about? How do we empathise with them? What's the other perspective I think that that's way more powerful than the speaking bit.
Good, good. So on him again one more is um he's friendship with Brian Koppelman. Have you listened to that? But yeah, I yeah. It's really interesting because they're so different. Like, yeah, a couple men type. He's an artist right? So he takes knocks and gets sad if someone crosses him at a dinner party over the job he does or, you know, he's a writer, a screen, a TV writer, and someone looks down at that and he brings all this stuff up to Seth and Seth helps him with with the say it's their interesting friendship. They all wouldn't have thought they would start over but I quite enjoy their chats and that's very thematic that billions premieres Sunday night, the fifth season that which is complements show that he that he writes Yeah, this Sunday, so I'll be watching that.
Have you been? Have you have you spoken about screenwriting? Have you done any writing yourself?
Yeah, over the years. That's what I set out to do. 20 years ago, I was trying to write the next great Ozzy sitcom. And I wrote it. I wrote the the Bible, I wrote the the first three scripts and I wrote those as an accountant in London, came back to Australia to try and forget, but I knew nothing. I didn't know who to, you know who to go to or anything. And I was living in Sydney, I moved to Sydney for that reasons I thought that'd be you know, they make TV up there more than Melbourne. I mean, not I just assumed that. Probably because I was a Hey, Dad fan, you know, anyway. And then I had the had the script, I might have sent it to one person, and they gave me some criticism. And then I went, ah, this is not funny. Put it under the bed. And, yeah, and then, you know, a month like a month later, I came up, I couldn't get an accounting job. And that's when I came up with the idea. Well, why don't I try radio? I've got a wedding in New York in August 2000. Why don't I go over there and see if a radio station what my Sydney Olympics reports from Die. And that's sort of when the radio little U turn, little turn I took is ended up being up. Yeah being here 20 years, which is good, but I love the screenwriting element of it. I did the Robert McKee classes. Yeah, I have two of those. And then I went to Macquarie University did one in I think June 2000, which was, you know, fantastic. And I did a novel did him again in New York a couple of years later. So, ya know, and that's, I would have loved to have gone down that road. But can you still do it?
Yeah. Still? Yeah. I think of ideas and try to you know, try to write things yeah, you know, take take a lot of notes. Yeah, I'm a
big note man. Show us one of your notepads. Can we can you can you show us
this is good.
Taking headphones, and then we'll kind of
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Doesn't that seem like a magazine like that? Yeah, the newspaper seems like it's out of a 3d temperature at a spider man out of a Marvel movie. You know what
it does. It does. I mean, that was coming out but
there is that sort of crazy night to it's like it's all fake finance. Like
there was something I got
sick. Yeah. Oh, fucking love it.
I watched a bit of the yo. Ah, so just simple notes. This is stuff that I started using a pencil which is weird because my kids are homeschooling. So I got loads of pencils around and I find it quite easy to writing. Like, I have so much content like yeah, thousands have hours of interviews that I've never even published and, you know, one thing came up the other day. I think I was watching Almost Famous. I love Billy Crudup in that and I interviewed Billy Crudup for the morning show last year, and I didn't really think I put the interview up on YouTube. And the interview was all about, I knew the interview wasn't gonna run on radio or anyway, so it was all about pretty much almost famous, which I loved the movie. And he I know he plays poker offline. So it was all about poker. And it was great. So I wrote he morning show cast and the rest of the cast other than Aniston, Reese Witherspoon who were so held back were awesome. So I was like, why don't I republish all those interviews? And then I watched the Beastie Boys documentary, which I love, which someone should watch on Apple plus. And what's it called? What's it called? What's the taco
I think it's
just Beastie Boys.
Beastie Boys. Yeah, beastie boy. It's directed by spike Jones. And it's essentially them on stage at the Apollo Theatre in New York in Holland, and they just come out and it's like I am. It's like what? Okay? It'd be like if you guys doing a cheese and wine night with a PowerPoint presentation just running through your best of bits. And I'm like, Wow, this is so simple. And the crowd was packed, they weren't performing, but they're playing video clips or they're so and I have an interview with one of the Beastie Boys from red carpet for The Hateful Eight Quentin Tarantino and it and it was great because he went into this whole bit about when the Beastie Boys are touring. And he went and saw they saw Reservoir Dogs for the first time and I'm like, to me, that's like a clash of one great genre of artists clashing with a Tarantino just as he's coming out and so that excited me so that's a, you know, scrappy notes there with food items on them. But
yeah, look, look, I love your mind, Brad. Do you get that compliment a lot that people love you mind? Ah,
no, no, no, I think Baby.
We're all a bit nuts. Yeah. No. Look, no and I gravitate towards you guys because you guys are you guys have a crack and I know I had a crack and but my biggest thing as you get older you having how I've gone is I've taken the foot pedal at certain times and I've got a key. And I'm probably getting that from you guys are now pulling a bit of energy you guys, and thanks for saying you like my mind to to have a crack again. Yeah, and to not give up and that's the way it sounds like him.
Maybe that just became your new normal. Like if you're filling out notepads every you know, every week or every month or whatever like that is that is executing on that. Do you think you've just gotten so used used to and familiar with that that has become normal?
Well, I to be hard on myself. I think from the normal of writing the notes, I think you're going to have actionable items right? gotta create like I've just told you the story about the interviewing one of the Beastie Boys on the on the red carpet of a Tarantino movie that I did like five years ago. That should be I should finish this call you guys after I do this, find that piece and just pump pump it yo and and because it was cool. And regardless of anyone seeing it, I enjoyed that story. So I should get that out. And, and I think I can take all these notepads, but at times I'm not actually happening. And that's where I've got to action more to give you to probably highlight a weakness on my part.
I mean, if you go into those sort of screenwriting courses and things like that, are there. I mean, it feels like the US has a course or a coach or a consultant for everything. Have you ever looked at a consultant to help you with that?
Yeah, I have various forms of figuring that out. But that would be the right The right way to go like, Look, you know, I've been working on writing my book for a long time. And you know, I've got probably done a second draft of the book. And it's sort of a origin story, you know, the first two years of my life in New York City, sort of how I got the job, how I had to change in the job, and then how I and and then how I kept the job. And it's sort of that those three elements into this story that essentially a drunken, you know, late 20s Fantasy, you know, that went, well, that worked in the end, and that I didn't get fired. So it's something like that. I'd love to figure out how to get that craft that into an idea and figure out how to turn that into something. So yeah, I have a bit of work to do.
Right on. I feel like you I mean, you've got a lot of context. And when do you ask for help? When do you ask the powerful people around you
I don't, and I don't I don't. And I put that down to is it just kicking the can down the road? Maybe. But it might be that whole perfection thing wanting to have something perfect to do to ask but that's obviously not how you're meant to do it. You meant to probably ask when you 30% down the road? I don't know. I mean, I
guess there's only two hours to go. Oh,
sorry, Brad. That was just a
pump me up. But yeah, no, no. That's something I'm gonna work on. Yeah, but you're right. I have to I have to. I have to. I think I have something in a form. Anyway.
Yeah. Yeah, makes sense. You pick your ask when? And it's not, you know? Like, it's who you ask. It's not like indust but I think you've got your granite friendship. From what I tell if you ask me to help you, I can help you
to happen. Thanks, Tommy. Thank you.
Good, bad. Yeah. And I think it's something that the whole helping helping people, which is good, it's a good, good, good discussion point. Maybe I can be one of your interviews down and find someone who's a great Yeah, I'd love to listen to that podcast that you put out.
Michael bungay stanier who wrote the book the coaching habit, he's one of the best coaches in the world. We've had him on the show a couple of times. One of his favourite questions is what is your biggest challenge? So Brad, maybe to finish up you could answer what is your biggest challenge right now.
Let's outside of the hole where we're all at and locked down it just in what was my biggest challenge? In my creatively I'm where I wanted to go and whatever is actually sitting down and Focusing, you know, the easy part of my setup is being able to have a microphone and talk to people and create a fun conversation and keep that flowing and hopefully get some comedy and some laughs out of it. Or in a radio environment or something like that. That's good. But how do you create that something solid? And that's my biggest challenge. Yeah,
I think makes sense. I think focus work. Yeah.
Have you have you read deep work by Cal Newport? I haven't, but I'm very Yeah. Yeah. as well. He did digital minimalism as well. Yeah. There's, I mean, there's always a risk with those books that you sort of go like you try and get off social media until you go too far. But it feels like there is something it's with all the archives and everything that you've got. That's the challenge like that. I even faces like looking at like your most kreuk have this huge Weiss on your shoulder which is your past work that you feel like you need to tap into.
Yeah, that's, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you think you what you asked me about Ricky device how many interviews 19 I should have been able to go back to you and go is the 19 go and check out my SoundCloud my choo choo. Yeah, and they're not all there. You know, that's, that's on me. Yeah.
Bill, so we're all flying. That's the whole thing, which is like, it's just, you wouldn't have Did you know at the first interview that you would do 19 and that Ricky device would be hearing us and like, it's all just circumstances, right?
It is. Yeah, it's crazy. But anyway, I'm pumped. This is good. Hi, this has been a good I am named the Piper boys are getting up now. To deliver the newspapers, the milk man's out. The breads being baked and you guys are still firing. So yeah, I think it's been a privilege to be a part of it. Man, watch it. So, thanks for having so much spread.
Just quickly. What was that newspaper? What was it? What was that?
Do post today's headline they're cleaning the first time ever the subway will shut down every night to clean up scenes like this. So it's gonna shut from 1am to 5am. And they're gonna make sure the homeless people get off the subways and they disinfect the trains.
Yes, the first step in turning New York back back on I think the 15th of May is the official date when they're starting to liftings been state. Oh, wow. Anyway, yeah. What's up?
All right, thanks so much. Have a good one. Bye. Yeah.