#592 – Fans Not Listeners With Ryan Jon/
- January 29, 2020
Ryan Jon joins us to chat about nightclubs we went to when we were growing up, the Australian Podcast Ranker, chilling wine, and playing the game in commercial radio.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Tax and influencers
– A surprise QR in the mail
– Viticulture and oncology
– Popular nightclubs growing up
– The Australian Podcast Ranker
– The future of commercial radio
Ryan Jon on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryan.jon
Ryan’s video on the Australian Podcast Ranker: https://www.instagram.com/p/B75IWerH8bO/
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The Daily Talk Show Episode 592 Ryan, john
I don't want to push back to next Thursday. Oh yeah, you already did the counting
a smart guy
I've got an honours degree in finance. I know you are a smart man. Have you given up like your tax return? You understand it? Yep. You do it above board? No.
Get back what you're entitled to actually, you learn much about auditing. Getting audited I did a subject and auditing my the company I worked for had an auditing department but I did not work there. And I just try to avoid the audit thing. One of the greatest things I did though was get someone a discount for used to be able to drive 5000 kilometres for business purposes. Yes. 5000 around enough to prove it. It was low enough. Whatever. Yep, you need 4999 God didn't even have a licence, let alone
Yeah, really and it was fun. Yeah, grab back. Thank you. I mean can roll out now though, what is the financial advisor? I'm not a qualified you recommended, like when you go and use Comdata you and they say it was targeting this, this and this this year? Are they actually doing anything? My experience was
thinking of it this way if BHP Billiton does something dodgy and they skip out on $20 million worth of tax, they're gonna chase you up for this other $8 50 that you didn't pay. This was like the Google tax thing or whatever they're calling it where big companies were doing a bunch of offshore stuff. I remember that time. Yeah. So you got to just think, is it worth the time to chase your small thing like when I say we are targeting these they actually are because every year there's different things, for instance, influences last he like most influences the shoom they didn't have to pay tax and it's like, no, that's your job. I mean, you're giving them the benefit of the doubt that you that they even assumed.
Yeah, I thought that would just be happy.
To do a brand deal with the
tax return just doing
influence no i don't think influences can do shit with the government stuff remember when they have
a lot of tape around my my dad got audited twice his company in landscaping they were targeting landscape Aziza really na got twice as landscape is obviously a
lot yeah they just had choosing an industry
because I had lunch before we did this episode, you guys should toggle someone out every business on the street because none of them take card. They roll cash. And when I hear cash only I just go Ah, so you guys don't pay too. Yeah, yeah, like that's my first thought. And I can't think of any other reason why that wouldn't work. Yeah, I actually went to the hairdresser the other day. Thanks for noticing
that I was $28 $2 cheaper than 97 what he pays yes shapes and it was at shopko
Anyway, I when it came came time to pay there was cash only no left path. And I had no cash in a shopping centre in the shopping centre and so I was like Ah, so I called break. I might have that you're gonna have to come and give me cash they only accept cash. And she's like, can't you just walk and get out as I didn't even ask can I just walk in not get a shot
before they made me import the popcorn roll the Vietnamese bakery and I walk back down the street to get cash out and go back the people will find a reason to complain about the places that are only offering if poss What do you mean there is some places that double check we won't accept any cash it's only where do we go on the weekend some event?
Where we some festivals last summer we went to yeah and there was where we all when? I can't remember guys. Maybe it was Australian Open. There was something country road stuff. were they doing something not country? Maybe country right. Have you guys discussed the guy on a guy Hello
You're talking about earlier who we talking about the One God would work country
Tommy was saying that they they're a client of ours country right? Yeah. But he was saying that if you were single you should work at a road the if you're gay straight, the people they are beautiful. And they were in country right close they look
nobody seriously it's one of those there's like so many businesses that just have hot employees.
You can just tell that they're all different. Yeah, they're all
anyway. Yeah. Is this the same as when you guys would get rotten gun for cheap? No, no. That was influenced This is the idea production. Country right? Give us cash is running gun Davis prizes
which are beautiful. By the way, beautiful quality real. I always get compliments my way. My places. I've got money. You gotta do the mail on the show. So yes, could be mail. All right. Go for our it says the daily talk show. Yeah, it's been opened. So yeah.
Surprised oh my god what is it? really surprised? That's a letter. We're being audited.
Oh my god.
The next department are gonna want to know about this is cash beans, return centre commercial radio.
Please shut up about all
all right to my favourite gronk My name is Isaak and I've been listening to the daily talk show since the early two digit episodes. Wow.
And you guys never failed to cheer me up. I live in Clifton Hill. Amazing how many people actually live in surrounding areas to us just randomly. So it's nice to know that the gronk certainly around the corner. I look forward to club activities in the future and I hope you have a great day Best regards, Isaac PS, I have to buy an envelope printer ink and a $1 10 step. So hope you enjoy the cash. So I had to do all that. So Isaac has given us some cash what what are the cash is please scan a QR code. If you if you fear it is it what happens? So
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it says to Dukes do debt. How do you spell it in French? Da da da. Anyway, that's not
what you do exactly. But $2 can I and that's actually quite a valuable solid quite solid. I mean, if you know coming back to Canada, you have no plans of it. Anyone else we could sell send this
To do but now we came more to send it yeah
hang on eyes export a lot bought a printer ink he's done the smell money anyone? Yeah love it it doesn't really have a have that much of a smell that I mean this would roll up anyway
Can I do you just moved house? Yeah, I've moved out Did you know this is the not house I've lived in in 70s to my now moving some and getting older to this.
Every time I run and getting audited sorry, do you mean Ryan? He lives in Scarborough because I'm Ryan from no Fremantle sunspot and we just moved to beauford which is small little town just outside Ballarat here which is it is actually really cute town. We're right on the on the like the dog loves it. And then my partner Bridget her wineries about half an hour further out. Yeah. And then it's about an hour and 40 for me to drive into town. Can you bring back down someone? We can do one session on the show. We'll have someone have some info on yeah
Definitely because you're into the red wine. And you're
not just don't flaunt it. Like just like game. I love red wine.
Red wine. So brigitta Winery makes a sparkling red, not into it. And it's really made my doc rose I know.
That's it, Ridwan. Yeah, it's very strange. isn't any good? I mean, you gotta say it's good luck because experiment with a festival not really because it's this really old, traditional thing. lockpick Yeah, really all Buddha had it back in the day. And it's one of these old places that makes it Yeah. But then I've tasted it and I kind of didn't want to like it because I wanted to be like the young cool you want but I actually don't mind it. I gave it to a present photo to a friend of mine yesterday team. And he's like all my family loves it. We can get around it anyway. So yeah, yeah. And it's not the same as just getting red wine and putting into the soda straight because it will blow up. will look at it on YouTube. He puts red wine into soda straight it's fucking hilarious. Yeah.
The Saga what's the deal with chilled red wine? It doesn't have to be like, depending on how called there is some red wine that you chill, supposedly. Well, I'm the associate chilled red wine with sangria. You're getting the latest in Portugal. Yeah, I mean, they're not even putting in. It doesn't come out of the fridge in Italy. Like it's like, they're like red wine normally isn't.
I mean this I had some rich PTA clients that had salads. And so some of them are just at a certain temperature. So it's not like a fridge, but it's just at a certain time. Yeah. What can you look at what's the best temperature for red one, because we have one a hates one a dad has and how many bottles? All we've just got rid of? How did you get rid of them, gave them away and had a big dinner party, but I reckon we were probably carrying around because we moved to Fort Lexa. We moved so many times when we had 350 bottles of water. And so when you going from across the country in you gotta move this one and make sure it doesn't break and then we'll get
The new place you got to find a place to put it and store it where it's not gonna, you know,
how many times a week you drink it?
Not many, like I might have one with dinner a couple times a week. And so you're already ahead of most that only have one drink awake. So you have more than one drink a week or one session. So don't be one drink with dinner session.
It's probably a problem. Yeah, but I think what Ryan's trying to do is identify the session. So as I
said, Look, it's you know,
within a couple of times a week, so it is multiple days now I'd say which is not a bad thing. I'm not stopped defending defensive my 32 year old Ryan, two or three times a week I would have one drink 22 year old run every Thursday, Friday, Saturday rodded 22 drinks a night
I'm skinny dog in cute Did you used to go there? Yeah, but I was just the want to go to cheese and the heart in Hawthorne Yeah. Anyway like inside are you laughing no Tommy pointed out the skinny Dog Hotel the other day when we went past yeah it's a classic it's nice to have a big Christmas Eve there that's when I went there really? only time I ever when they have Christmas safe there you go folks. I was it
Alright, and so you getting a like when you do have your two drinks awake? Is it a beer or is it a wine? Is that a spirit? It's usually a spirit of whiskey. Really? Yeah. So I don't like be that much and with the wine I don't often appreciate it and was included in a bottle will save it for as a group of friends we can open it because if Bridgend I just have one glass Hmm, I've got half a boy. And what about Bridget because she works at a changing shooting because that she's been sipping wine all day so she'll get home and have a furphy or whatever. Yeah, Apple. Depending on the mood. She drinks way more than it was scripted. Yeah. Did she get passionate about alcohol one
Then join a vineyard or how does that come about? No, because I guess she she's got a degree in viticulture and on called What's it called? viticulture, and I think oncology which is the science of viticulture and oncology oncology.
Sandra and oncologist sounds like some sort of like in a hospital like you got to go to Hong Kong. Well, there's two parts. viticulture, yeah. Which is the cultivation and harvesting of grapes. Yep. Right. And then what was the other one oncology but it just doesn't sound right. Yeah.
It sounds taking in the study and treatment of tumours,
culture and something else, but
one of them is basically making the one in the lab and the other one is like the horticulture side of growing the grass out of the ground. Can you say like degrees and what is it? It's,
I mean, it's spelled o n o LOG y play.
Give it a crack.
rhinology oceanology just say, See, I say we're
gonna give it to us
that's really not that's fine. I know you know I got the tech needed that man. Good boy, enology technology, technology, technology knowledge and knowledge that's what I'm calling
ones and remove students.
We got we got given a terrarium yeah that's from Jake yeah
that's actually a sweet he's at a Swedish who was telling us ah wine GG he, like we'd say hi G or whatever. It's actually like, different language. While we're on the pronounce it is fun. Fun. There you go. Did you know that?
Very impressive. Yeah, but I've been calling into tourism. Okay, which is not a turkey. GM is I believe a
an IQ look at what a true GM is serves I believe it's also known as surface I and its way countless discoloration in the eye. We've already had a little bit of a man's got that hate surface he just while we're talking about drinking and like being younger and stuff I want to ask both you all answer as well. And I'm it might be tough right you know what is this what was the either the first nightclub or the nightclub that you frequented most often as the 18 year old was a young first sort of drinker. Seven nightclub on Thursday nights. They're like dollar beers right? Yeah. And then went to that's like thank you for that. Thank you. The road kettle black right next to kill black. Yeah. I went to Yes. Great. Then Prince of Wales is what was Saturday night there. One Love.
I just play that sad knows. Yeah. One Love Is it was the venue and they released CDs from the venue. So you got you experience the CDs. Did you? Yeah, remember?
was at one was at seven and then went over to Prince with my john what I try to think of there was a place on maybe Bourke Street or so it's not Commons and I can't remember now what is it cold just name every club board now I was on Burke Yeah, retro Metro no intro. It was but I never actually went I was filming it was
on the other end yeah I know it. It was like a stone brick buildings. Yeah. What is that cold service is called the Melvin bot or the
It is that good job. I mean, that was that's Connor Kingston King straight. Yeah, that's what so when I remember straight from some, some
bit i know i interestingly is also filming or not interesting. Like, I remember I worked with a vj and they plug the
In my M camera and so they were like doing all effects like you know, on the screens and all this wacky stuff and then they would cut to my footage that I was doing live and I would zoom in on people. How great was that go off that
150 yeah $150 Joe yeah yes just a colonial hotel also used to be the host of next which is on Thursday night which a bit of an emo night yeah, which I got a mark see June I was in year 11 and 12 Well, you are not full time but I was
my friends were on fucking emo club and walk out Chuck on a black t shirt and go hot for a couple hours. Really? Yeah, there's a great song. I'm a chameleon. I can go anywhere. Can you might be looking at a shirt you blending?
Yeah, yeah. So what would you say because you played beach volleyball was a volleyball
game years he played like an Olympic level or like he played
Australia, Australia I played mostly indoor then I played a season to a beta the end. And so I guess you're a chameleon in that regard if you went from a mode of volleyball that's a pretty nice being emo on a Thursday night and then get home have a shower and go be a beach volleyball or on the morning. What was your music taste like growing up? Oh, again real wide range because if I was going out to those places, this is like trying to think of its kind of bands that would have played it like a mo not back in the day. There was a Chemical Romance. Yeah, making the disco Yeah, that kind of stuff. And then I also liked was a bit of a you know how Jeff Johnson and john Butler and that hippie guitar music was robots during Pete Mary.
Pullman's jack john. Oh, that's great.
I'd love to get him on the show one day. He did this. You know, what do
you reckon? You get him before you got jack Johnson or john Butler. Okay. I'd love that. He was a rugby player and he's passed Pete Mary Mary was here.
Another phase before he comes in, he performed at the zoo recently now like this was 2005 He's an animal.
That's good. All right. What do you reckon the best music like? unconventional music venue is like place where you've listened to music where they probably isn't normally music like the zoo. Okay, so I was playing volleyball in Serbia. And it was the week before EXIT Festival was x effects the festivals probably one of the biggest after Glastonbury, one of the biggest in Europe. And so it's a small town and as a small town, Belgrade's the biggest town in Serbia, like an hour away is this place called Novi Sad, which is awesome. That's where I played volleyball. And so it was like a river. A Cliff left next to the river and on top of the cliff was a castle and then the the event was in the castle. Yes. Go in the castle. Yeah, I was in the castle and I saw the guy passed away last year. What's the song? He No, no.
real crazy band. Talking Firestarter.
Seven prodigy yes he passed away yeah that's yeah real sad last year but the Prodigy with 100,000 people in a cast in the castle or cancer in the ground okay yeah that was we were probably hundred metres back from the front and we could barely stand up because of the push and shove of the crowds for long and I can only imagine what it would be like up the front in the crush and stuff but that was like life changing in the crush the sections just named what you will be what will happen to it we were lucky we'll playing volleyball so we were like really fit and even 100 metres we were struggling to like just stay standing up like good core workout is still training just Yes. After the post anyway if there if there was anyone doing body so what's this thing called when you jump into the crowd? There's a lot of that and then after them right spike and there's this new artists up and coming this young girl called Lily Allen came on stage yeah and chasing status or chasing status. I don't know who that's Josh
These nicknames are they were dubstep in Oh yeah. Which I liked as well. What would you rather be a famous musician, sports person or actor? That's a good question. Which way I mean this wouldn't be actor no one I not not. It's not based on your skill level because now that I just I don't know I just don't like it. But you're playing people you don't have to. You have to be yourself like you don't have to deal with him. I struggle so hard to be myself as is least I imagine trying to be someone else. So the other option was music performer or what was the final one? I think because I wasn't supposed to laugh they just because I genuinely love playing in my training night because you're always sore and hurt and stuff. Yeah, but
I mean musicians lifestyle. I'd be a musician like a very fit musician, which I didn't know that was an option. Well, I just started like we
ripped actors on what
Let's be honest, like yeah be musicians. Well, have you met an actor in person that you've liked race? Mitchell's lovely.
Julian. Julian. Hi, Joe side, right. Oh, the pole rod. Everyone else tosses boy. Are you talking about how big like begging the celebrity? The more
chapters I'm trying to think what is most who have you interviewed? That's the biggest actor. Have you interviewed Kevin Hart? No, probably the only person in Australia that has
intimate in commercial radio land. We should call you commercial radios Ryan john
can be formally I also back down and raced my future prospects today but
we should try that we should insert that bit here. We could probably have to pay ticket That's true. I you know what, as a representative to you can have that free.
Can we put at the end of this episode? How about we link will link up
To your your Yeah, I think it's good. Okay. Yeah. We don't want any more knows we need a call out to
absolutely not. Yeah, you got a guy light on the context yesterday Josh bombed up commercial radio Australia and the Australian podcast ranka and Well, today there's comments on radio today. Radio info is said that Josh would have to go into hiding witness been texting through there's been lots of updates. I've put the SmackDown on.
I think anything Well, I hope something will happen. What's your actual view from the outside right before you saying Josh and I today or even before the rancour Yeah, oh no just about life. No, it was about how what Josh and Dan and saying you guys been speaking of you know, so I when that came out and I looked at the list I thought straight away and I don't know if I got it. You got it first, but the whole time on commercial radio Australia. This has made a list that only
includes commercial radio podcast, which is 2% of podcast listening. So how irresponsible to say I he is the definitive list of podcasts and exclude all podcasts. I just couldn't believe it when I saw it. Because I said all we Who would have guessed that this whateley from sem would be the third most listened podcast and I was like no one would guess cuz it's not true.
It's it's, it's fraudulent, like, yeah, just go and sell as luck. The whole point is to go look how powerful we are. We got this many listeners, and it's not correct. So it's lying. They're lying. And as someone who's worked there and seen all the twists and stuff they do. It's remarkable. And I went last week. Here's a fun factoid. Oh, yes, we love newspaper circulation. When they talk to advertisers and brands and stuff. whatever amount of newspapers they sell, they multiply that number by four and they say that's their circulation because they assume that every newspaper gets read by four different people. It's outrageous. I mean, I mean, they
It's probably said that about the confidential in the in the Herald tonight. So this
is opening up to the picture book. So how many newspapers are there's two big ones in Melbourne Herald Sun in the age? Yes, they both agree to do this times for thing. So when anyone questions that they just go industry standard. Yeah. And I want to know this about how I don't know this about radio because I've never believed the numbers. I don't know anyone who listens. And they come in and go on million people listen this month and you go that I didn't like So do they exclude now that they could have? That's it? I think that's who they are in the
past they could have well it was played in the shop we times that number by 1000. Because there's what about if they're only mini buses? You know, it's 15 people. This is what I want to know about radio writings. He's my genuine question. Yeah. Do they exclude people from the writings who don't listen to any radio?
And you say, Josh, I'm calling from the radio writings. I want to ask you about your listening habits and you say I don't listen. They say okay,
Thank you for your time I'll call someone else. Because it's interesting.
If they exclude people that don't listen, and only include the people that do listen, and times that by population, you can see are problematic
for 20% of people who actually listen, and then they times the by total population, you know, that's that finance guy. So like, the thing is, I had a subject on research methodology unit. Yeah. Well, for you write a thesis, you do a subject on house or research? That's good. Yeah. Because I think part of it is just on these research. Yeah. That's, like part of it is the I don't know about the radio stuff. All we can speak to is what we're experts in the podcast element of it. And yeah, I think the interesting thing is a couple of people, any feedback that's been negative, which has been very little, the negative sort of tone is what is your solution? Yeah. And I think what's interesting is everyone assumes that like, who is for the rancour, if you're going to come up with a solution? You
need to come up with like another rancour? But I just think that the whole idea of ranking this podcast stuff is completely flawed. Yeah, well imagine if like I go for Hawthorne in the football and imagine if on the ladder they just excluded the games they lost. Yeah.
Like you can't like if they came out and said, here's the list of the most popular radio shows and podcast show, but when you put the stake in the ground and guy were representing audio listening in Australia and didn't know like its its laws. And then the other thing too is I guess the reason I picked this is why you doing it. And it's because we're not for the little guy and sticking it to the man but also because the other thing is
big media company. Rajon creative just launched on LinkedIn follow I really paid a while today or just sort of, you
know, something way that x benefits or something, why you're not running again, how much money it costs to Yeah, we do.
Actually, it's going to be coming up pretty soon. Really?
You know, I just think that there's a like in regards to I can't remember I was even saying
about the solution stuff. I think that Yeah, the reason why people would say, Oh, well give, give your numbers, which I did, I was like, Okay, we have 55,000 downloads a month, iob 2.0 compliant data. But the point is, it's not about our numbers. This is about the, the whole industry This is about like what shameless getting and all that type of thing. So I think some people who are against it have missed the point around what we're showing as well. Well, and that list, also doesn't say the numbers now because I hadn't even looked at it. Niger's and I'd forgotten about what was on it. And I said to Josh, oh, the numbers actually on there. No, no. So it's literally just a list. Yeah, don't really fucking know what you know. It'd be really interesting if commercial Australia, commercial radio Australia
released the rancour, but then gave us the amount of downloads plus the amount of individual pieces of content that are associated with that feed. So you want to get a like a listener per audio. So like, I just think it would be an interesting
thing to look at, which is okay, say if you are the daily talk show, you would say 55,000 downloads, and then it would say 31.
episodes. Yeah, based on we released one every single day. Yep. And so what would be really interesting is when you get to the point of people who are releasing, like, then you will get to really say, oh, wow, this one show releases 120 pieces of content a day, and they're only getting 100,000 downloads and you can look at it and say, Okay, well that that's not as exciting. I asked an awkward question. Yeah, sure. Some may suggest the daily talks.
Producing seven episodes of every week is on the side of, we're pumping out. Exactly. And so this is shameless who's like way to four EPS a month compared to a 31. And that's exactly the point. And so like, I think we're in a great position to
come on our show.
You're right. He's been a Bitch.
Bitch anymore. It's funny
that this, the point is,
why why waste and where we do is we're doing original content. Yep. Every single day, seven days a week. And that's why even when we're looking at from a user experience point of view or listener point of view, we want to do a best of once a week. And so we've been like going back and forth internally to work out the best way to do it. Because we don't want to sort of fudge the things and we want to do it right. And so the point is, you can do seven days a week, you
could even do five episodes a day if it's original content. And that's like the best case for the user. Yeah. Our problem is that it's, they're releasing full episodes and then they're doing a bunch of snippets. Okay, Tim MIT is my favourite podcast, I listened to that probably more than any other. And I'll listen to the full lap. And then when I get to the end of the automatically clip to a best beat and that I just heard, and I'll skip it, but they would have got to listen for that. That's very annoying. Yeah. And like way better than probably the highest listening that do the best out of any Radio Podcast. I
pay too much. Do you think that I mean, you've worked in how long did you work in commercial radio for six and
seven, but I like the six now. So what did you What did you learn if there are people from the commercial radio industry watching? I think even specifically, I think that the people potentially who are creating these ranking systems are too far gone there too in it, but what about the people who are in the
sidelines or the people who are at the regional radio level? Yep. And they're getting told by their boss now this is the future this is what it's about. What is your experience told you wake up press really hard at my last job to do podcast specials or best bits or an extended versions now for the same reason to get multiple versions of it out there. And I remember one time, one of the producers said Oh, that thing we did last week went really well. It was like an extended interview with The Bachelor or something. And it's like triple what we normally get. And we're like, oh, great, how does how much and she says Oh, like 600 listens and we all burst out laughing and we'll walk We do this every day and all these bucks and you getting pumped over 600 please like I would have been before I be
I mean that everyone just pacing themselves laughing about that. And we're just talking because lock up previous shows were done way more than that. And so what is it but I found that was strange. I think the weirdest thing
That Hamish Danny worked for RCA really successful and for years and years Sam Kevin are toured around and said fans not listeners vans not listeners he said it to the company said it to the industry said it to conferences. He said it all around the world and not a single person listen to him because look what's happening five years later we're talking about listens, but no one's talking about fans and fans of people who are like actual fans and don't like listening to win a prize maybe but they actually listen to what they want to and and the fact that no one thinks about that is wild. And I think the why the podcasts are so successful the ones that are like you guys like shameless she's on the money is they've built communities and they've built genuine fans that will fight for them. They'll stick up for them, they'll turn up to live events. I'll wear a T shirt that says rank as I went because yeah, rank is a way
to actually get you into action that
I went to bed at 750 but
that's fine. I said tend to white and Tommy said didn't have as much cut for
Why, through the tend to I yet but you agree that podcasting has these genuine fans and doesn't have genuine fans, they have listeners and I'm like the guest best guy worked for you. Why don't you listen to his presence? This is the thing like we aren't even where we're using the word podcasting because it serves us right now. Yeah. But when not a podcast, like it, there's a reason why we're not called the daily podcast, we're called the daily talk show. And the and this is the thing with radio as well, like they're so obsessed with whatever the format is, yeah, even. Even if you look at any of the networks, what they're always saying is like we are the future of audio.
And it's like, have you seen the rank? Yeah.
But, but why? Why focus on that specific medium? Why not be open to that was my father's job and I had this video idea and they said, We're an audio company and I was like,
show me some audio
I just couldn't believe that like every company, every industry is a video industry.
every industry is a media industry cuz you're promoting yourself for me to say no, we're audio only is it's Jonathan's plumbing in fucking Yeah. dandenong is in the media game. Yeah. And making videos like what are the networks doing? Well, so today I got into the car drove to take out It took me about 10 minutes to get to work place. I live
Yeah, reveal. Okay. Yeah, drive. Yeah, well, it's pretty early. And as a first of all, listen to radio night. And I got in the cars halfway through a song. Song finishes and I said, Yep, coming up after the news. We're going to do this thing that I listened to three minutes of ads. The news came on, and then I got out of the car. And I was like, I just listened for 10 minutes and didn't actually hear anything. And then there's a lot of new podcasts now. news.com that are us getting into it. ABC. There's a lot of we're doing a 10 minute podcast at 6am 7am each day.
You say the great thing about Google Home you can say what you say to prompt at Google? I won't say it because I don't want to annoy people. If you say that's quite derogatory, yeah. Yeah. Why you say
the aggression in the voice? Okay. Google.
I wouldn't have prompted the that's why I said, I'm now you can say that and say play play the news. And it plays the news. Yeah. So news.com that he was doing a 10 minute ABC. He's got a 10 or 15 minute, which is great. There's the squeeze on the 7am podcast by sports media, which is around here somewhere. And I think when I got in the car this morning for 10 minutes, I can just listen to a 10 minute app and get it done. Or when I was to the radio, I listened 10 minutes and didn't get to hear any radio. So what do we do because some of our
best entertainers the people that we love the most people like the Jason PJ's of the world.
What can amazing, talented people who are in radio, what do you think that they can do? Go watch them
Kevin has presentation internally or
I guess like you just do. Do you just play the radio game serve out like Dude, it's the one thing I said to Ryan when you were when you're in radio soon you're going to find the guy. Yeah, I wasn't good at playing the game and actually got told by my bosses to play the game and I was like, What is the game because a few people said the game the game he lock it dealing with the co host that is not your friend. You've been with them. You just don't like it's not your post it it expands past Yeah, and beyond that. I mean, that's where most people fucking stop and then it's the doing shit. That's nothing you're interested in talking, you know? And so it goes way beyond me stuff for the money like just pretending you watch it that you don't lock is essentially it's fine the guy you be can you be a radio show? And have the best podcast in Australia in 2020 at this like the same thing? Yeah. Like do you think do you think
So what does it What does it require? Do you think for radio shows to be awesome? At podcasting was just best content? Well, when I think that's been any medium lock, if you're interested lock, it doesn't require an extra light, you talk about the community and all that sort of thing. And the reason I bring up Jason page, as you look at their Facebook group, they've got a huge Facebook group, they've got this community going. Well, I think he's just like using the community like a missionary, we're obviously the best that when the community had a great story that became their story, and you just, you know, it creates more content for itself. And I think the weirdest thing that no one ever asks is, like, when there's so many options, is this actually worth listening to? You know, and how many radio breaks could you have just not heard and would be fine. And it's also like, a podcast lot episodes are sort of similar. And I think there's probably a lot of
like, you can you can hear the same shoot happening or like there's a format Yeah, to radio where you know, that every brand
This radio show is going to be covering these four years items in Perth, US Nova and 96 FM all played a pre recorded interview with a bachelor at the same time on the same day. Was that like a high end thing? Or was it just a Guinness World Record?
I 4840 timeslot that's actually funny we should call the height 40 we should call like batch. batch time. Yeah.
time it's bedtime. Yeah, it was on it. He was live on every channel at the same time. And he like, oh, who's winning man? No one really? I mean, even like the obsession, I guess if I'm trying to pretend like you're live is like a little bit painful as well otherwise been to that? Well, I've just been Yeah. What do you think as soon as you start explaining how it was pre recorded, you don't have to? Just I mean, you just do it. Yeah, but I think that there is like we've had examples where it's like, it's like, we had Dan Smith on the couch is a radio journalist in it's fucking great. And it was so funny. We
We were pre recording this episode. And so like
it was like it was a day before whatever. Yeah. And he was like radio enough to be like, Oh yeah, I like what you do for dinner tonight. Last night is like our last night bank Thursday and
it was impromptu
Thursday night What did I what's happening said? So Ben flast says when I worked in the music retail industry back when CDs were around the charts weren't ranked on sales to consumers but sales to retailers. Oh, that's interesting. Well, I worked at sanity Did you not that sorry. They like the day after guy Sebastian one Australian Oh,
no, he's he's single angels brought me here comes Yeah. And I was literally just standing at the counter with a bag and just gone. Well, people were buying that many flat. That was the beam.
We would have saw safe. We sold 500 CDs that night. 490 of them. We've got a single old school.
Whole. I mean, that's what we're saying because all these things are connecting back to dollars. It's like the one thing about radio stations. If there's too many cooks, putting their hand in about a podcast, it can just be done. Yeah. by two people with a mark does it so Hey, could you imagine paying 15 bucks for a single file? I mean, I did I remember my favourite No, why not watch any movie ever online? Or I could buy one guy Sebastian. I mean, we're in the future. We just got rickrolled by a QR code.
Thanks Isaac. The the single that I remember getting from sanity this would have been like 2005 I think was what 2006 it was whenever princess die passed away Mr.
elton john. Yeah. The candle in the wind that was fucking sick. That was such a good track. Yeah. And they released that because of Dr.
Yeah, it wasn't a lot the live you know version. They did a few different because he changed the lyrics a tiny bit physically.
cific one, when was that when was candle in the wind
and then printed off missing it even had a couple other things 1973 Now that was when the original
1797 is wasted on the live stream by the way.
There we go. I'm Victoria from shades on the money said hi friends says I'm a fan. I just know we're a fan of you say she's not a listener. She's a fan. Yeah, exactly. And
we want to do something once a month with you. Yeah. And we were talking about that off air. And so when we have more information and let everyone know. Yeah, but let's just say commercial radio Australia. watch.
watch. watch out for Ryan. Well, okay, I hope to one day be employed by one of the members one day but I feel like really is probably the last now. This is it.
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show if you enjoy the show, leave us a review on Apple podcast. I'm guessing we will have a few people that don't like us that listen today maybe if you're so good, yes, people would have seen you blowing up yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And I would have been like this was an absolute waste of time. No wonder they're not in the top 100 you know, they need a fucking content director and I'm big Sit down. Thanks a more listens, obviously.
Anyway, if you I mean,
should we do a sacred sound to say it was close your eyes, okay. Okay, now, I'm going to do something and you need to guess what it is. Okay. Okay.
That was so obvious. What is it was just a slip of water.
as well. Yeah, that's quite a bit tough.
Thank you Ron john for coming thanks for having me will probably said Mr. Yeah we definitely will
Josh very quickly radio info the guy that writes for radio info very hyperbolic funny yeah
yeah yeah but no I don't I'm not actually witness protect I said that you think that would could be a problem what I saying like that whole headline Do you think Sarah could say hi there now that's an actual like that's a lot we didn't write that. I say that on my show. I called them lies right oh yeah