#156 – Giving gifts/

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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy it's a daily Talk Show Episode 156 Tommy jacket. Hey going.

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Yeah, actually I'm freezing cold. I've done one of the things where I drive to get a coffee first these 5:30am here in Melbourne. What What time is in Turkey? appreciate you getting up early. It's a it's like 10:30pm here in Istanbul. I appreciate you potentially not getting your eight hours

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and I and I will sit will say it will say how I did sleep on the three hour flight to Istanbul from from nice. What's going on?

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Yeah, so I'm in the car and

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pushed it I'm on zero petrol in the car. And so I don't want to turn the car on to waste petrol while before it because I will go straight after this to get some petrol. So I'm sitting in the car on Barclay straight and St Kilda if you got no, you were that it doesn't manage to another straight. But I'm, I'm I thought this would be good just to see here because I believe she does go on like a 5:30am is a weird time in the morning. Because there's there's either widows around or people getting up to start their day. And so St Kilda is an area where you get a lot of both of those worlds. So he said, how many people walking around man This should lies I can say like one week old lady standing with like a looks like she's going to the market. Oh, she's got a cigarette in a hand fi tried. He's just getting the coffee girl and left she's an exercise she would be walking to the gym for sure. And then afterward be fair to say that you're the only one in a car doing a podcast I've had a few we looks by the butcher who purchase that they died 3am probably. So you've actually driven to 711 and then you're waiting at the car park so now it's just yeah I'm just waiting on the main road across their own fan the establishment and then I'm going to drive because the petrol stations closest. I don't wanna I don't want to backtrack home because I'm

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How often do you go home though? Like, do you? Or do you normally do the podcast there? No. I usually do the podcast from my car park. I can grind it out. Well, I can just screwed up and get out of bed soon as I'm done because Episode 150. I actually I didn't tell you this because it never ended up happening. But I tried to I told I told Bray that for Episode 150, whatever area that I was even I was going to liberate you the specific cuisine and we're going to eat it together. So it goes in Turkey. I was gonna get Turkish food. But turns out at 530 in the morning. I was trying to get up straight. He's got I think I was in France at the time. And it was fucking like, you can't get anything delivered on Uber rates at 530 in the morning.

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No chance. Did we talk about the Uber Eats hack? I don't think we did. Now. We didn't. So did you see basically,

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yeah, I saw. So for people who don't follow Tommy on Instagram. You were doing all these stories. But basically, you will taking a code that was meant for I guess, promoting the carpool service. Yeah, get 20 bucks off. But you could also use that in Uber rate and get 20 bucks off the order. It was genius. I I ordered because, you know, they've got the $5 fee for delivery. So I had to get it under $20. So I had to find one thing and $20 if I didn't want to spend a sent and I did I found 500 milliliters of ice cream and I had that delivered

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and it was a nice treat for me and I but I wanted to speak to you about that because I am thinking Do you think like that's a big it's either a big stuff up or an intentional you know, promotion like he got made talking about it. People were message you mean what's the you because like it's a good pace and marketing? Do you think it's a mistake on their end or clever marketing on their end? Now,

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my guess would be that it could be just a restriction around how the coupon codes work. Yeah, and so they just have to roll the dice on those types of things do you think was an oversight though? Before going in there? Like,

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I don't know. I think that potentially, I think it probably would have pissed people off because my guess is that there's they've got these specific budgets probably. I mean, if really guessing you would think that the Uber Eats department would be fucking wrapped because they they getting more orders. But you know what I'll do I'll I've got a friend who works in Uber, who she used to basically she works in the States every bit. Oh, Oscar, I'll find out where that and I'll close the loop. Whether it would have been oversight, whether it's a strategic decision or whether they just don't have the tech to be able to separate Yeah,

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it's crazy. They've got the technology to allow you to get fucking McDonald's chips delivered to you. But they couldn't work out the coupon code

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it would it wouldn't surprise me but I've that that reminds me one of the things that I've been doing of light is trying to think I want to get better at two not random acts of kindness that's not the right word but just

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sending people flowers or sending people gift card to say thank you. And I actually there was probably maybe four weeks ago or something I had I had this logo done by a guy that I a guy I know probably maybe five years ago and I was at the radio station at the time and I was like it just just so happened that it was like it was related to like a travel website that I was wanting to start and we sold a traveling I saw think I'm like what ended up happening like what what how did I get that logo down? What was the deal and I went back to the email and it made me cringe I was like I might not have any money like I wouldn't have had any money I didn't have any money for this project but I'd be happy to like Chuck you some

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like concert tickets or whatever that I get through the radio station and I like finished up that the radio station probably certain off and I got my logo and yeah I was thinking about I was like oh fuck I never never gave you many tickets I felt I felt like I should do something so yeah gone you know I never got tickets it was it was the thing like unless you kind of a bit higher up or you got all your ages from the people that didn't want them at fire and fire and who I worked with was a really good set of Leach outside is really good at sort of it was sort of in that perfect position where he was on air but probably not making what all of the big names were say he was still fucking leaching as much as he could off getting free tickets. And she liked that

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he was on the 50 k plus super plus ticket.

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Exactly

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like it. I went to Coldplay with Byron and stuff like that. But so that was a plan. I was like, Yeah, when I get free tickets, I think because I was on the national Dr. Show and we had good produces like Leon sugar and who we've had on the show. He was very good at handling that shit out. Yeah. So what I did probably like, after five years, I ended up thinking, what can I get this guy? Like, I feel like I just want to give something because I'm not the sort of dude who just expects people to do shit for free. Yeah, so I am.

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I mean, it has it? Has

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it has vibes of Alcoholics Anonymous, making the cold to people to apologize for the actions that they've taken? Yeah. Why? They it? It could have had as much to do with me and having that closure as it was for him. Yeah, but so I just was like, I just sent him like, 100 bucks. Uber Eats voucher. But the thing was, I used to the email that I had of him at that for him at the time. And so I'm probably like,

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did you send him a digital code for Uber? eats hundred dollar value? Yeah,

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with like, only had like, 100 and something characters to be able to write because I was gonna be like, trying to explain, so I had to be really short. So I might thanks for the logo for like

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that shot

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and hang on with this recently. Yeah,

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this was a month ago, this as

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well as a why Jay, I can't believe you haven't brought it up. Yeah,

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well, I was just because the idea was, I was like, I'm not doing this for any sort of like, because I did think about this, why am I doing this? I'm like, I don't need to hear from I don't need to thank you from him. I just want to be able to express that. Like, hey, like, I appreciate that you did this work. And now that I have the money to be able to pay for that stuff. I was like, initially, I was it was like, a little bit more like, I was thinking, Okay, how much would have paid if I'd gotten it done and then braise like, if I can crazy the difference between five for sending you a $500 voucher at $100 voucher isn't gonna make a difference. So just

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crazy. I'd be weeded out if I go to 512. So I'll be like this is kinda cool. But was

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like 500 Plus he says thing that you don't know if he's got it? Or do you respond now are not didn't, he didn't respond. So I'm just happy that the gestures being done, maybe it was just like, he's nine at his name.com. So I thought maybe one day he'll get an alert from Uber, or maybe at an eye.

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But okay, I've got my bit. I've got another follow up question for you made Uber. And this is in relation to what you're talking about. So you spend 100 bucks. Yeah, and you send it off to some read some email that you don't know if it exists or not. So it might have gone to his junk, what happens to the hundred dollar because you pay over 100 bucks?

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And then what? Where does that money go? Like, from there? And is there a expiry date on the Uber code, or I think it's got like a three year expiring. So I thought, you know, I've got he's got time with this sort of thing. But I was surprised that I didn't, because I hadn't really thought about it at all. And it just sort of randomly came out, which is why I did it. But

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I do feel like there is a

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note not not so much of doing that. But I think that going forward, I want to be I really love when that thing when that stuff happens to me, like I've had multiple times over the last couple of years where friends have been, like, super generous and have gifted something for something that I've done for them, or whatever it is. And so I definitely want to try I and Mike that just, like, haven't side budget for, like, do shit for people, or sending them thank yous and things. I think the for the reality of most people in the ground like feel, and I know I have that I haven't been positioned to give. But I know that sometimes that's just the wrong attitude and approach because you don't have to be in a position of, you know, greatness to be able to give you can this many ways to show appreciation, which is right.

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I mean, we should we should, I think it's just like even writing a card or things like, yeah,

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like I am. He's saying though, right. I the talk show, you know what we can say? I think

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there's like, you know, say, if someone gave me something, I wouldn't be that phased for me gifts. Like, I almost think, Oh, you didn't have to, like, you know, it's like the love languages. What's what, what, how do you really feel love? Or how do you you show your love. And I know for Amy GIFs something she just loves. And it's like, actually couldn't give a shit. I'm having my 30th birthday next weekend. Not this weekend. You could write a book, you could write a book called The seventh love language, we just blow jobs.

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The reality is, though, I don't care. I've got a birthday next weekend. And I and I don't care if I get anything. I want my friends today. And I want to be surrounded by people who I love and I care about. And so that's that for me to be there. I know I will say I actually thought about so we get you on Skype. And but then I saw a meme on the tutor advocate where it's like, all these people had it around a phone. It's like that annoying friend that gets you to Skype with their best made at a party or something that is so true when they like I say hi to say hi to Josh. He's overseas that I have no Dorothy's who's essays. Yeah. And then

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you would sort of position it in some sort of way where he's like, he's just he's pretty sensitive. So I had to get him on Skype.

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Sorry. Yeah, I think so.

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You can't go wrong with show showing some kind of gesture of appreciation. But how it's received is something you can't control. So I think you're if you're doing it for the right reasons, which is

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then I'm thinking is that become about you fee? Is this some level of this feeling good for you? which I'm sure it will. And it's okay. Does versus them and what it does to them?

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Absolutely. But I think that that's probably I think that the realization that I've been having of light is just

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a bit sort of, like so what like, It's that thing of I think that those conversations in our head around like our maybe it looks like the soul that and then it's like actually, I think that that's okay. Like I think it's okay to you know,

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if we know in our heart that we're not doing it for like I think the common thing is like leverage like I yeah I'm building up leverage and I think that I'm I love doing stuff for people and I think that's a constant worry that I have is that

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I don't want it to be I don't want it to appear as leverage like I don't expect I'm doing this thing for you but I'm not expecting but I definitely have that other version of me which is like I remember I've like I had one might where I'd like spent maybe 300 400

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bucks on Uber Eats when I was working with him a lot and then he he never like he would who boys but like hockey just tack on another thing and it was never like a one for one and then it wasn't it was the first time where I'm like Bruce like you're spending like 40 bucks a day on Uber Eats like what I'm like oh yeah yeah I've been getting diseases as well and yeah and she's like what the fact like is does it transferring you the coin for it I'm like I haven't really asked it's like but it probably at that point so I don't know it's I think it's nothing that scares me about that not escapes me but it's like so when someone is really so like if they actually didn't realize what they were doing there a monster

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and if they you weren't confronting then we'd thing that was going on it's like they were a bit of a ship blog so there's a few few things that play I jewels land he he's been you know mentor of mine over these and a good man but he's he's one who I think he's really great with this stuff he's I am he's a gift giver to show his appreciation on things not that he's given me shit thanks Jules still i mean you know Jules, he said, he says to me, are my I've got to get you your your wedding present. It was two years ago. He never got I mean, he's done more for me than any prison that you give me would would actually do. But he keeps on giving me a new book. Just give you the new level at the seventh language spoken on. So I have to say. And

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so I think part of it might be like, I know that even with me, I'm not necessarily great at birthday gifts. Like, I can't remember the last time I've given someone a birthday gift. But because I'm just not that sort of, like, my brain is an organized like that. However, I'll just randomly if I find something in a store that I think is Yeah, that's really cool. I'll just buy my make that thing versus trying to fucking work out when it's a birthday. So yeah,

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juul said to me recently, I did some work and he said, Ah, I did like a current job for someone contacts for him. And he said, All should send them a bottle of wine. And I immediately kind of had pushed back in my own head because I was like,

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first of all, it's like, it was it was client work, you know, the exchange was there, they pay I do great work. So uh, but then I was like, dead i the only reason I haven't done it is because I was like, it didn't it doesn't feel like me doing it. Yeah, why is that? Because he suggested that probably. Yeah, but I think what the good thing about maybe I didn't do this time but maybe it's a thought

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for something else. Maybe it's that mindset change because the right you need it to be really genuine. I don't want it to same strategic in my delivery where I don't think this girl would think that if I sent her bottle on

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But yeah, I just I definitely it's like, you don't want to, you know, networking to feel cringe worthy in any sense. I mean braise day was made a few days ago because they just how you Tiger just announced that collaboration they were doing with go to skincare where you can get some hi Tiger chocolate through go to skincare if you buy something or some shit like that. Anyway,

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a lady who Bree had met in an event sent cyan and Brie flowers because she knew like in the back end that they are working hard on it and all that so thing saying congratulations and even though the flowers were in Melbourne embrace obviously away at the moment with me It's like she was still completely wrapped with it. So I think that the feeling that we get when this sort of stuff happens has made me think not just not just having the thought because I think that's even brain I've even caught ourselves doing that where it's like there's been so many times where a friends being sick or someone's just given birth or whatever I mean like how we should send flowers and then at the moment probably probably like six months ago nine out of 10 we ended like we finished it the thought thought and the end saying it

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yeah don't worry Bray braces yelling at me she's already bought three sets of flowers since we've been away but that was what I was gonna say in the last like month and a half I think that may be because

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yeah I think because we're removed from things and we're not able to be there for big things that are happening for people so when my tea fell down he fell down the stairs and I shouldn't fall down the stairs she fell it no she she hit her head or whatever could send her flowers or whatever because we couldn't sort of be there and say how she was going shit like that yeah yeah

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I think it's good to do i mean you want to get that right if you're writing the card Sorry to hear but you fully in the states Josh literally I literally I said it we said in the

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in the in the card

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said

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don't have another full while we're Hawaii play

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I think one other one other approach could even be so that I mean this is reactive to people doing stuff the other yes potentially even just you know people who because I don't think everything has to be like that done something that's this clear exchange of their time or you know it could even just be appreciation I mean it feels good it's your is your is tingle What is it you're eating when you say my earring when I

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say something nice for someone yeah

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I mean just sign it saying something nice to somebody yeah I think think yeah yeah I think for someone like me I kind of have to push through that like it because I'm making it about me when I'm thinking oh he's gonna seem like a strategy from he's in you know like is that I think that he's definitely probably yeah the

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same that might be like a bit of Australian culture as well I think like that's one thing that I've been sort of discovering to is having been abroad a little bit he's just the little things that we do as Australians and how we I think that way a hyper critical of others and and because of that ourselves as well and we we don't want to be bullshit artists we don't want to be perceived as being a suck up and shit like that. Yeah I'm sort of it I feel like maybe without age maybe the closer I get to 30

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the the less I give a shit about that stuff and just want to do nice things for people yeah well I'm pretty close to say to them I shit fact it's your way right so is it your Is it your third is it the big three zero this like in September or

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not this not this coming Saturday the following fast it's a big weekend I've got satellites my birthday and then Sunday's Father's Day

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Are you have you had any sort of do you think you're going through a bit of like leaving your crisis moments and all that

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I've I've had a few people asked me recently How old am I because they can't quite put the put the you know they can't quite pinpoint my age and I think you get to a time of like I know for me it's 25 he like he could be 35 you could be it could be 20 or deny this is like middle ground we goes for a while and so but I have had a few people asked was like I haven't known recently and starting to get a few guys so I'm definitely leaving my 30s with latest are leaving my 20s

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the boob I think I've got the gray thing happening to I actually like literally when will coming into symbol going through customs today going through like the passport check and the lady was like is the shoe in my photo and then I said they quite serious there and I and I just sort of said our yes I used to be a lot fatter like you talk quite slowly because English as a second language so did like my hands showing that I was fat and she she thought that was very funny. She laughed at you to see laughing yeah yeah she basically laughed she was like looking at brain just give me a big sort of smile and then another story so

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yeah I think you I think you've aged in a good way over the last couple of years could be the rebrand that has made you look like just more of an adult and less like a two year old that you have a maybe I think it's Mad Max. I think it was the best thing ever stopped wearing snapback. I saw I saw a guy you know he worked on radio. He began to snap backs. Not Byron Byron looks to a bar. Now. It's the other it's MC outside MC Michael Christian who was on radio. He's like a big net back fan. I think it's a huge Yeah, absolutely. But I was like, I saw a photo of him. So dude, he's a man. But he looks like a child wearing a snapback. It's crazy that backs myki look like a child. Yeah,

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I don't know if it was the photo. He did post a photo of humid Legos. So that probably was not.

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That's what I love about MC. Everybody's like the full like manchild experience. Which I love like yes.

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loves basketball loves like, oh man, they're ready to

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shoot a shoe collection to envy or from what I'm saying. But yeah, no, no dish to them as people but I think snapback maybe look at your look at doing a rebrand guys.

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I just think I think for me specifically like if I feel like if I was if I was connected in any of the other cultures. I like you know, he's into NBA all that sort of thing. I can't wear like a New York Yankees hat without like, judging myself. I literally like I bought no joke. This happened. I bought a New York Yankees hat maybe four years ago? Yeah, nearly five years ago now. And when I was in New York, I had there was a few sort of like hustling dudes, you know, wanting our attention been like a Yankees like yelling out to the point where I felt it was necessary to buy a major league baseball subscription and stop watching the Yankees at heart so I could build up enough knowledge. So I didn't feel like an absolute banker with my New York Yankees hat. You didn't do it Did you know I did. I literally had the subscription. The great thing with the subscription was Apple TV. Baseball was in like, super high definition. I think I was even like, yeah, I went through a real stage of I like, for some reason I paid for a cable subscription. There was a service like four years ago where you could pay for a cable subscription in the states and that basically allow you to access it in Australia and it only lasted it I think it only lasted like six months before like all the licensing stuff they got in trouble.

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But that's one of the things with being being an Eastern boy we went for sort of a sort of a more well known brand hotel just because when I'm in a sushi for the first time and it's a little bit different culturally I tend to to do that for the very first part of the stay just for a little bit of sort of familiar reality but I have been watching Bloomberg on the TV and I've just been having I was just before we started talking I was a bit tweaked I was thinking about like

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talking or share prices and Tesla is down at the moment because Elon Musk was crying in some interview with The New York Times and shit like that I'm like fuck I need to buy some Tesla shares so I'm like going on to like I registered for like one of my bank kings like shares like investing if I can things a couple of years ago and did nothing with it and I'm like maybe I'll maybe I'll take a bit of money and put it into that and i i could see how even like all the Bitcoin shit how people can get like wrapped up in it's essentially gambling right

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oh yeah this whole share market ping oh it's it's fun and because you can do it on your phone you can just quickly look at it whatever happening Can I buy some more all right it's it's dangerous and yeah the people like us lose because we actually have no idea and you you see an interview and people talking about a share price drop dropping him that's a good thing I just feel like

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with like I remember hearing this advice A while ago which is like if you are really passionate about a specific bit of technology rather than buying the technology by shares in the company that makes that technology so there's all those cases where it's like if you used the money that it costs to buy an iPod instead of buying an iPod you bought Apple shares you'd basically on a yacht or something now that's like that that's sort of numbers but it's too fucking it's I think maybe I need some more disposable income before I even start thinking or even just get over this trip first before I stopped dabbling in glorified gambling don't do that. Otherwise

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you wanted to close you wanted to close the loop about the the hard drive Oh yeah, she with your hard drive finish that so I said that. We get a new hard drive Lycee good quality rugged hard drive. They the orange ones if anyone dabbles in hard drive external hard drives anyway it's a new brand new I got it reformat it as you do. And it had 380 megabytes of spice it was a one terabyte drive I thought it was fact she had a few other people they say those fact and he tried to you actually tried to format it within Disk Utility on the Mac Yeah,

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yeah. So are you doing that I did

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that and then I spoke to Lawrence in the office and I said dude get this told in the story he's like oh no, you did you did what I did he said I had the exact same same problem with the exact same drive he said and I guess what you've done Yeah. Did you maybe not select to the main drive and you selected the sub folder within it and then you formatted that no he reckons that and he said I because I went and got a new one you need to actually sit the drive up with within the light so as soon as you plug it in, there's like shut up file and he's like you deleted the setup file within the drive which then makes it not recognize how much space it's got some downloads weird it's a dumb thing that the life he drives have, and if anyone wants to open the loop and close it again because we're wrong, but he reckons that he so we got a new drive and then did it followed the setup process through the the yc drive and then it showed the full amount of spice sets because

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I done that on your one now

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now I gave it back okay. It and I didn't have it because it was a it was a client drive That's right. So I mean they they they replaced him straightaway if you take them back but I think it's a fault that that shouldn't be the case because every other yc drive have had the classic formatting of the drive is fine yeah.

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And so I'm glad that we've been able to close that loop the Taiwanese we're seeing one interesting thing rather than word of the day I'll just give you an interesting fact of the day it's gonna be sand of the day that we could do that

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no I am Eastern but it turns out that it's been a cluster fuck for us organizing because we're doing the hot air ballooning capital CIO to have it fuck he said

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he will say that, because I think Kappa Dholakia sounds better I think it is capital. Yeah, I think you're right. Because you're almost sounding like you're saying Capra Joseph yet.

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Brace brace nodding. Yeah, it's capital. Kevin. Anyway. So we It was a struggle for us to get the two. So basically in Eastern, both, there's a flight you can get to this place, which has got like, where it's like the iconic shot of all these hot air balloons in the morning and shit like that. But it turns out that tomorrow for the next four days, so we're in Turkey for seven days, tomorrow for four days. It's like one of the biggest religious holidays

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if, like for the which is like, it's called the Festival of sacrifice, where basically people will

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go with their families and they buy a kit like a cow or goat. And they fucking old gather round and I think I'm gonna butcher this or they actually do unintended they slit his throat and then they like, fucking ate it. They give it's all about like, giving money to the poor and all that sort of thing. But yes, that would be interesting. I from what I've read about it, it's sort of rural so the areas and stuff like that so in mind interesting say anything but there is

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a lot of stuffs closed or like things are going to be really busy at like mosques and stuff like that so can

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you do a little editing the film some stuff or something of that because not many people in in their lifetime will ever go to karaoke? I want to say a little yeah just some little visual sound

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yeah I'll film something Yeah sure. The film something or just send you a link to a YouTube video?

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Yeah, exactly. It's a daily talk show everyone Hi. The Daily talk show.com we did have a an email from never had to say I think it's xi xi a shade listens to show a shy shy back anyway, they listen to the podcast and were there like learning English. And they've been using the daily talk show as a way to get better at their English. And they were asking if we had a script from the from each episode, which we don't. But I thought that was cool as it funny just to think that someone would potentially have our accent from listening to our show and just saying fuck a lot.

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Well, didn't who sent an email through

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was it Tony? No. Oh, yeah.

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So we spoke about Samantha's one as well. We got one from Thailand, congratulating us on the episode 150 we've been you know what, before we start sending them flowers to people. We should just get on top of alpha can a man that could be one thing. But Hi. The Daily talk show.com we're trying to work out a way of incorporating it more but we'll get there eventually. And thoughts to Michelle to we

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we were always going back and forth with her on anywhere. And she said she had some people pass away in the family. So she's she's gonna have to play catch up on the daily talk show. But thinking of you Michelle. It's a daily talk show. I'm off to bed. You're off to work. TJ correct. And we'll see y'all tomorrow. See you guys. Catch you guys.