Coffee, Dark Chocolate And Morning Routines

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 371. Are you right there? Sounds like you're taking a leak.

Tommy: Just pouring a bit of, bit of joe.

Josh: You're very excited about the new coffee, uh, coffee machine.

Tommy: Yeah, I've been drinking more coffee than I ever have, uh, and it's thanks to this Moccamaster.

Josh: You were saying that you want us to get decaf.

Tommy: Well, I was thinking like, definitely for the fact that I'm I don't want to consume 1,000 milligrammes of caffeine per day. I'd like to, because I like the flavor. And I had this conversation with a barista recently. It's a very barista conversation. I mean, what else do you talk about other than the coffee, the produce?

Josh: I actually don't talk to them.

Tommy: No, because I was like, the cafe closed, and she said, and I said, oh, can you do me a coffee? She said, oh no, but I can do like a cold brew. I've got these ones in a, in a bottle, like these new, no, that maybe, yeah, these little twist-top bottles, weird little things. It's just like a shot. I was like, look, I actually want it because it's warm and I like the taste of it. I don't really want just a cold beverage right now. It's winter.

Josh: So did she offer to microwave it for you?

Tommy: She actually put— I walked off to get my computer and then I came back and she'd poured it in, put milk and— But yeah, anyway, that was—

Josh: She test the milk on her hand, make sure it's not too hot for baby.

Tommy: It was, it was.

Josh: That's what you do.

Tommy: How do you know that?

Josh: I don't know. I just feel like it is a thing, isn't it? You always—

Tommy: Yeah, you test the milk onto your hand.

Josh: To make sure it's not too hot.

Tommy: Because you'll be able to tell.

Josh: The boys didn't know that, did you? No, no, you did. I knew that.

Tommy: Okay, I mean, I just tested into my mouth.

Josh: Is Dyl's mic on? Because he didn't laugh.

Tommy: I test into my mouth when I give Bodhi a little bottle at night. I mix, I put half milk and then half hot water.

Josh: What, so this barista, which cafe was it?

Tommy: I was at the cafe in the gym where we get our catering for our shoots. But anyway, we're just talking about, I was like, I love the flavour I don't know if I drink it for the buzz. Maybe I'm just an addict that thinks that it's not for the buzz but for the flavour. But I really like the flavour, so I want— but there's no drinking coffee without, you know, if you drink 7 cups, you're gonna get fucked up.

Josh: If you could have— if chocolate, hot chocolate, was the same calories—

Tommy: Nah, see, this is the thing. This is where I don't know if the addiction is Just rampant. Because I wouldn't, I'm not, I like the flavour of coffee more than I like hot chocolate.

Josh: But you like mocha? Do you like mochas more than coffee?

Tommy: Don't like mochas more than coffee. Really?

Josh: What about the one that's near our?

Tommy: Yeah, it's okay, but it's just, it's a naughty. Yeah, I've had it.

Josh: It's a naughty treat. What do you mean? Do you think it's naughty?

Tommy: It's 100% naughty.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: How many grammes of sugar would be in that mocha, Mr. 97?

Josh: How is he going to look that up?

Tommy: No, I'm just saying he's got a Good knowledge.

Josh: I mean, the thing is you can't answer. It's one of my biggest peeves. Yeah. Is that people try and sort of, you put chocolate in this category of all chocolates, sugary and bad. It's not true. I actually wrote a— Oh, actually, Mr. 97, can you go to notes.joshjansen.com? I think it must, it's probably—

Tommy: What is that? What's notes.joshjansen.com?

Josh: It's not there anymore. Try go to Internet Archive. And find it because I did a whole piece on chocolate and it was when I had a blog and I was trying to do a bit of thought leadership. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I mean, specifically on— I got annoyed that I gave someone like 90%. They said they love chocolate.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And I gave them this 90% chocolate.

Tommy: Like, I hate it. I think, yeah, you've got a real emotional connection to chocolate. It's your Achilles heel.

Josh: Well, I think it's the opposite. I think the thing is that if I—

Tommy: Do you have a good relationship with chocolate?

Josh: I do.

Tommy: This is the thing. Do you though?

Josh: The thing is that when I'm healthy, I'm having my 85% chocolate, I'm happy. But then you ridiculed me for having it for breakfast.

Tommy: When was the last time I did it?

Josh: It would have been the old office.

Tommy: Yeah, a long time ago.

Josh: But the thing is that I stopped doing it. So, now I just, like I need to get back to my ways of looking at 85% as a nice little healthy snack.

Tommy: I think if you're a full-blown chocolate head and you're eating the naughty chocolate and you, then downgrade, or you just sidestep to only 85% chocolate. I think it's a better choice. But I think then my point around the 85% is if you want to take another sidestep, but then I don't know how enjoyable life is. So just keep eating your 85%.

Josh: I mean, you're the fucking guy that's at the ice cream shop saying you could have like a piece of fruit instead.

Tommy: No, I'm not. Never.

Josh: Did you find out? Did you find the notes?

Mason: Yeah, I've come on your blog and there's concerns I have with getting a bike.

Tommy: The concerns I have about being active.

Josh: Yeah, what were my concerns?

Mason: The kid with a lot of trophies.

Josh: Other concerns.

Mason: Yeah, finding a spot to lock it up.

Josh: Yeah, it's a good fucking concern.

Mason: How's this? Falling off the bike when stationary at the traffic lights.

Tommy: Put your feet on the ground, bro.

Josh: When you click in. When you clicked in.

Mason: Yeah, click out.

Josh: Yeah, you have to learn to trackstand. Yeah, that's it.

Mason: A pothole.

Josh: Yeah, it's a problem. What other things?

Mason: Um, turning right.

Josh: What? I can't remember why turning right was an issue.

Mason: Because you have to turn across the road.

Josh: Yeah, that's right. Turning right if it's like you're on Johnston Street.

Tommy: If we go back to New York, I think we should do— we did tour de tandem, Fitzie and I, through, um, Central Park. You can hire tandem bikes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And we just hooned around and we pretending that we were doing, you know, Tour de France, but tour de tandem. I don't know, like, I, I—

Josh: we did that. So Bree and I didn't do the tandem bike, but we did the during around Central Park and I fuck it like it was where I rode together. Yeah, yeah, it was amazing. Separate bikes and it's hard, dude.

Tommy: There's some hills in that fucker.

Josh: Well, I was, I've actually got, it's on my old Josh Janson Instagram, but it's archived now, but I'll put it up on the Daily Talk Show. It's me doing a video of me riding and then I hit a fucking pothole as I was doing it. And so you see me like fucking just quickly changed. Like I was, went from very confident content Creator. Felt like fucking Cycling Maven just riding.

Tommy: I worry about your elbow.

Josh: And so what other things am I worried about?

Mason: Uh, that was, that was pretty much it. There was one about annoying other cyclists with your poor technique.

Josh: Yeah, because people would say that I would sort of flare out my legs too much. I even bought Lycra. I bought— I spent $500 on Rapha gear with the idea that—

Tommy: How many times did you use it?

Josh: Twice, and I even— $250 a ride. And I got a, um, I managed to, in those two rides, managed to both times I had an Instagram post for it. So if you cut it down from content, you're just flexing.

Tommy: You're just flexing. Look at me, guys. Yeah, I think if you, you hope that you find something, do you think you, you're sort of.

Josh: I want to get a Peloton bike, but you can't get them.

Tommy: Why don't you, why don't you look? I guess there's a thing, right? When you're trying to find a hobby, you're like, yeah, I'm committing, I'm buying the gear, I'm going to do it. Don't do it. It's like, okay, that's probably not the one for you.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So then if you do that again a couple of times and then you realise you're not fucking doing the thing that you're paying all this money for, maybe it's you, right? Maybe it's the commitment to the thing.

Josh: Maybe it's you. I've heard that before, but Bree actually put me into a rage the other day because she said, oh, the, uh, your gym membership's come out. Oh yeah, yeah, we know. I'm on a fucking 12-month contract. It's gonna keep fucking coming out until it's the end of the 12 months.

Tommy: I've been smashing it every second day. You're welcome.

Josh: Okay, yeah, all right, I will come.

Tommy: It's all good.

Josh: Uh, what were you saying? Sorry.

Tommy: No, I'm just saying, do you, do you think it's— at what point do you, because you're quite thoughtful about—

Josh: thank you.

Tommy: How you approach life. We think a lot about it. I don't know if it's just being thoughtful.

Josh: Um, did you— what I thought made a compliment, yeah, I realised that I was like— and you're like, oh no, I realised I wasn't giving you a compliment.

Tommy: And don't take what— don't take this as a compliment. Okay, all my compliments to have cut through.

Josh: Okay, sure, I really mean it. Okay, not a compliment.

Tommy: Not a compliment. But do you think that you look at the things that you spend the money on and you get excited about and you actually don't do, what's the connecting, what's the dot connector there for you? And this is no judgment, this is just understanding.

Josh: I don't know, I mean, the Asics were a great purchase.

Tommy: No, but I think this is— Asics are just shoes, everybody needs shoes, not everybody needs a bike, Lycra and all of that stuff. Yeah, so it's more than a novelty thing. Yeah, but you wear them every day, you should just— it's— you got a pair of shoes, so it's more the things that you don't need. Like, I think the us showing up to do this podcast, yeah, the amount of, the amount I've learned, truly learned internally on showing up consistently, I think it's translated into many parts of my life that's helped me be better in different areas. Like, it was funny, the day you said this, Amy also said it to me, and it was like, I don't think our business would be where it is if we didn't have the podcast. Yeah, and what the podcast means is, you know, 20 hours contact hours per week plus my time, your time, Mason's time, 3D Dills time, everyone's time. If we didn't put in that effort, the other side wouldn't be thriving. And so it's this weird thing where it's like, if you're worried about making the commitment to do something that is going to be tough at times, you might not get the other reward from the other thing.

Josh: Yeah, I think it's just keeping it smaller. Like, I think, like, I think the goal is just being smaller is good. I think that the hard thing is that there is heaps of shit wrapped up in gyms, and so you have to sort of overcome that. Like, it's just talk about— in some regards, in one way, it's like, you know, uh, keep it really easy for, you know, to start with. What are you laughing at?

Tommy: Yeah, what are you laughing at?

Mason: There's, there's also a lot wrapped up in, in your daily rituals on this blog as well.

Josh: Uh, that was a joke, I think. Yeah, I— so I did— it was a parody, parody on—

Mason: In preparation for this day, I've spent the last 5 years listening to audiobooks, podcasts, and reading websites to make sure I'm doing it right.

Josh: This is definitely— this is definitely— to be clear, I can't remember what I wrote, but go through it because it's comical by the end of it. It was, it was making fun of the Tim Ferriss and all that sort of thing. Yeah, of every— like, this is the And the thing was, I put— the awkward thing about it was I posted about it. I think people were like, it was a bit of a parody thing.

Tommy: Actually, no, I remember you posting this. I thought it was true. Yeah, I thought it was legit as well.

Josh: That's right. Do you want to read what it is?

Mason: Some of these rituals I've already implemented, like email, showering, and eating.

Tommy: Oh, that's right. No, I got it because I— but I also saw where you missed the mark slightly with the intensity of the sarcasm. It needed to be higher. Jack Post reached out.

Josh: Oh, that's right. Classic Jack.

Tommy: Always thought it was true.

Josh: Yeah, well, he, no, he would have known that it was bullshit. Like it was a joke, but he's buying into being like, hey, yeah, yeah. It's like Ryan John running across Australia to propose.

Tommy: Yeah, from Perth to Melbourne.

Josh: If you don't make it very clear that like, hey guys, this is a bit of shtick, I didn't actually run. Well, yeah, that you start getting signed up for fucking marathons.

Tommy: What you communicate is what people will sort of just take on. And so if people aren't putting a filter of sarcasm because it's not sort of intense enough within the writing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's— Yeah. So, let's—

Josh: Any highlights? It's pretty long.

Tommy: Daily rituals.

Mason: No, I'll just grab out some of the highlights. So, wake up to an electronic-free bedroom with no alarm. Drink a litre of cold lemon water.

Josh: It's a Miranda Kerr thing. She loves that.

Mason: Cook breakfast, high protein, high fat, greens.

Tommy: Hasn't had greens since he wrote that.

Josh: I had greens last night.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. We had like a tuna we're doing this new thing: brown rice, tuna, greens.

Tommy: What's greens though? What's green?

Josh: Um, it was like, uh, broccolini cut up and then put in.

Tommy: Good. Bodhi had greens too, my 2 and a half-year-old. Anyway, go on.

Josh: It's easier when you're younger.

Mason: Uh, any, any client phone calls using headphones to avoid arm strain.

Josh: That's hilarious. Thank you.

Tommy: It's funnier now that we're Reading it out.

Josh: Yeah, anything else? Um, it's funny, I just remembered this site.

Mason: Oh, here we go. Tidy the apartment and do any washing.

Tommy: That's the biggest joke of all. I got that humor.

Josh: Yeah, no, I've been getting— I've been getting better, Mr. 97. I've noticed that maybe I need to, um— geez, I just saw 3D Deal's thumb. It's really thick with that metal brace, isn't it?

Mason: Really thick.

Josh: Um, the problem is I can't actually do any form of, um, chore without having fucking laughs.

Tommy: Why? What do you mean?

Josh: Yesterday I picked up the plates, I started washing them, and just Mr. Nice Guy was like laughing, just pointing at me. I was thinking, what am I doing? What's going on here?

Tommy: But your brand, the way you've sold yourself as the guy who— I mean, who are we talking about this? Oh, So on Saturday night at an engagement party, and my wife was talking to a friend's wife, and they were talking about how— she was talking about how at her house she was wanting to mount this picture. And she's like, oh look, I'm gonna, um, can you do it? He's like, nah, to the husband. This is my friend.

Josh: Nah, nah.

Tommy: But then a little later she had said, look, my sister's boyfriend's coming around, he's going to mount it. And that's where he steps in and says, nah, fuck that. I could do it.

Josh: That's so funny. But it's just the opposite though. It's just like, who's coming over to help? I mean, that's the problem when it comes to moving. If we have people helping us move, I just do the numbers. I'm like, I need an extra pair of hands. I'm just going to fucking— Yeah, but I was actually very— I was— Can I just say the last move? Very good.

Tommy: Whose move?

Josh: My move.

Tommy: As in your house?

Josh: My house.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Because the office move, I don't even remember.

Tommy: Ridiculous. I was going to say, Mason and I, we did it.

Josh: We basically did the whole thing. Well, we—

Tommy: Your back was cooked, to be fair.

Josh: Yeah. And we had a— It's very convenient. I sort of play a role of disagreeing with the logistics and the way that's going to happen.

Tommy: But isn't doing any of it.

Josh: No, but it's like, we either do it this way and then you say, no, I want to do it this way. I'm like, fine, you do it your way. But that means I can't be involved.

Tommy: Just to be clear, the doing it his way was staging. Let's do it tomorrow or let's do it during the week. The rest of it, I was like, no, we're getting it all done today.

Josh: Well, I wanted, I wanted us to have desks. And you said, nah, mate, you'll be able to get desks. And I've never seen someone sweat so fucking hard on the phone to Officeworks being like, oh, what, you're all sold out? And just looking at me like, fucking told you, we should prioritise the desks.

Tommy: But Mr. 97, you would have to admit that we did it the right way.

Mason: Yeah, I wouldn't come back.

Josh: Yeah, I thought it was the right way too. I felt great about it.

Tommy: But Mason and I were saying, I was saying, look, Josh won't mention it, but his back's really bad. I was saying this to him, you weren't around, but I was like, his back's really bad.

Josh: But did I mention? I probably did mention it. Nah.

Tommy: Not for a long time. You were like pretty stoic. It's like, I'm good.

Josh: I remember, uh, no, the, uh, one of my old clients, a neurosurgeon, said that he was like, the big thing that fucks people up is when it comes to moving or whatever. Yeah, it's just like you can live a normal life and can be all fine, but when it comes to lifting heavy shit, that's just—

Tommy: leave it to the 7-foot Samoans.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Nail it.

Josh: Yeah, well, that is quite a—

Tommy: Mate, you need to have just a fucking iron body to be a removalist. Take my hat off to you. I was at a cafe on the weekend, Bodie and I.

Josh: A lot of cafes lately.

Tommy: Yeah, well, look, when I have it— when you've got a kid, like, we've got rituals. So we get up in the morning Saturdays, go to the coffee. I mean, that was just my ritual. Bodie's a part of it. Yeah, but we, we like to get out and just cruise around the pram and, you know, hang out, go to the park. But I had this moment where I don't feel awkward usually when I'm at cafes or when I'm interacting with groups of people.

Josh: Sure. But leave that to me.

Tommy: I was at— I was added on Facebook, which I don't have Facebook on my phone. I've got Messenger, Facebook Messenger, so I can't see notifications coming through of who's adding me or anything like that. So it was the day before, I was on my computer and I saw that I got a friend request from this woman. And I was like, who's this? So clicked onto it and then I was like, oh, that's the woman I see at the cafe.

Josh: Does she work at the cafe? No.

Tommy: Oh, she's a casting director that—

Josh: Oh, here we go, this is your big break.

Tommy: No, but I knew her many years.

Josh: We got the doorbell, that's interesting. Do you want to go get it? 3D DIL?

Tommy: Go get it. 3D DIL.

Josh: Let us know if something— I wonder if it's maybe mail or something.

Tommy: I wonder if we've booked in anything. Have we booked in anything that we don't know of?

Josh: Um, no, he's really—

Tommy: you really jogged off. Really jogged off.

Josh: Anyway, I'm excited to see what it is, to be honest.

Tommy: So I, um, yeah, so I— I wonder who this is. I'm hearing something.

Josh: Oh yeah, we had the sit-in today. Yeah, come on in. The fuck? We would do— we, we've started—

Tommy: no one put that in the—

Josh: yeah, no one put it in the calendar.

Tommy: No, it is in the calendar.

Josh: It's in there. We fucked up.

Tommy: Guys, for a calendar, come in, come in, come on in, mate. Tom's here, take a seat, buddy.

Josh: Just take it.

Tommy: No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, just chill, dude.

Josh: We're about to do, uh, mid-story. Yeah, mid-story.

Tommy: Yeah, um, note to self, cheque calendar, utilise calendar. Um, so yeah, this girl, this woman, uh, I'm in the cafe, I accepted her. I said accept. So any casting director, years and years ago I did a presenting workshop at where her casting agency was. It was in another room, but I met her. She was lovely, never casted me for anything. Um, that's all good.

Josh: Wait, so did you know this?

Tommy: I knew her. I knew she was a casting director, and I knew that I would see her around at the cafe.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: Um, but we weren't friends on Facebook, but I got this ad on Facebook, and so I saw her and I was like, oh, that's the woman from the cafe. So I accepted. But then I was like, I saw her at the cafe on the Saturday. I just had this moment where I'm like, do I say something about like how we're now friends on Facebook? I just had this weird moment. It felt like—

Josh: That's why I got rid of Facebook.

Tommy: Yeah, but it's weird.

Josh: I had the exact same thing happen to me. Well, sort of the same thing sparked up conversation with someone. And this is the worst thing about having a podcast, is you tell them about the podcast and all that sort of thing. So I don't know who the fuck's listening anymore to the show.

Tommy: No, we don't.

Josh: And but I, uh, I met someone at a cafe, we had a conversation, and now, um, like, we added each other on Instagram. Bri added her and all that sort of thing. But then I saw her at, uh, Coles like 2 weeks later.

Tommy: She's your mate though, you're friends on Instagram.

Josh: But the thing is that for whatever reason, whenever— I don't know what comes over me But I just like run away. Like I was like, all of a sudden I was like, oh, I've got to get the eggplant. And I sort of, I was just like, I don't know. And we didn't even end up getting the eggplant because wherever I ran to, there was no eggplants. And so I was like, we've got to go now.

Tommy: So, did you actually speak to her? No. Nothing?

Mason: No.

Josh: And so, but the thing is, but it's got nothing to do with the person.

Tommy: No, I know. It's exactly right. I, the only way to get out, because I'd sort of built this up in my head. It's probably It's probably just from you. I'm getting this from you.

Josh: But you're blaming—

Tommy: I'm blaming the— I don't know, maybe it's by osmosis. I'm hanging around you, I start going through the same.

Josh: Because I think Bree was running as much as I was. She was like on board.

Tommy: The interaction's never as bad as what you think it is because I was in the cafe and I was with Bodhi and having a child is a great excuse because you're like, oh no, I've got to go. Oh, you're going to get him home.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: But I was like, I had to walk out past her, and she was with some people that I knew that I would have had to say hello to or seem like an asshole. And so I didn't mention the Facebook thing, but I looked in her eyes, she looked in mine, and we knew really that we were now Facebook friends. It was something about—

Josh: smile.

Tommy: Yeah, it was just like as if she hadn't gone through my page, as if she hadn't added me. Why do you add someone?

Josh: Did you go through her page?

Tommy: I went through a couple of her photos, like her profile photos, but I didn't actually go through.

Josh: I should go. That's what I I hate about, like, there is something about social media and knowing about— there's that funny meme where it's like asking about their family holiday from 4 years ago because you've already looked into everything. And that's how I feel a little bit, is I can, I can go on to some pretty amazing rabbit holes that go quite deep, and before you know it, you've sent me screenshots from rabbit holes you've been on.

Tommy: Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, effort.

Josh: That's right. If you're listening to the show, take a screen grab.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And leave an Insta story, uh, like doing your own Insta storey and say, 'I'm listening to the show, this is great.' Josh, 85% dark chocolate is not that great for you if you eat it. Oh yeah, give us your lows. Feel free to give it. I stand by 85% is completely fine.

Tommy: Sure.

Josh: Uh, but, uh, outside of that, you can send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday. We'll see you tomorrow.