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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 783. You have unto us from n Zed. Bray Thomas. How are you? Oh, come on. Boy. I'm glad it only took 783 episodes to get the call up, but I'm glad to be here. Yeah, and I'm glad it only took 15 minutes of troubleshooting to get you your microphone working. Yeah, we sent a guy with a cable went across the ocean to connected directly. We're glad it's working.

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I'm so glad we are able to connect across the ditch. Good to be here. Uh, how are you? How's it um, has a COVID life? Indeed. I mean, it's not really much going on over there is it? Yeah, I mean, you know, I feel like things here are quite different compared to the rest of the world. And I'm but I mean, we went through a hectic period where it was complete lockdown. You couldn't even pet dogs when you went walking.

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It was like my worst nightmare. And then we kind of put in all this hard work and I think it was about seven weeks where we pretty much were in lockdown and now we're kind of come out the other side. There's been a few like you know, slip ups here and there but nothing too bad so it's pretty good overhead at the moment to be honest guys, you let a pet dogs or is that still a No No? No, you're allowed to pet dogs now.

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Or I just haven't checked the T's and C's and I've just decided to pet dogs now. I just sound like a competition. The T's and C's. Yeah, right.

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Back home. How are things going like what's the lightest?

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Victoria? Yeah, it's a it's not great. I mean, Victoria is doing the worst. So if we're best good at anything, it's doing the worst thing the worst. Yeah. So we I recommend, we're talking about it before. we reckon there probably will be like that second lockdown thing. Isn't it like the classic

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last three months is like the main next CSI might I'll tell you what, Thursday it's gonna be locked down. Yeah. But then if I'm right, look, I've been robbed a few times. Yeah. But I just, I mean, you might have a news junkie to get into like reading up or what following all this stuff. I'm a bloody radio nerd. So of course, I'm always on the, you know, we would always tune in for the updates that Prime Minister jacinda Arden and Ashley Bloomfield would give you here it was like watching sport, there was no sport to watch. So we would all wait for the update how many cases today and when we got that big zero, you know, we celebrated like, we'd won the State of Origin IV. Yeah. And it was premature. Wasn't it wasn't a big celebration as fuck. We got one.

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Yeah, so that was a big fuckup from the

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two ladies came back into the country and then they said so they are on compassionate injury.

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Because their mom was dying and they had to travel from Auckland to Wellington and the rules were that they had to go from their quarantine hotel all the way to Wellington without stopping which is about an eight hour drive. And anyway this story was is that they got lost on the way and stopped in to say some family members to get directions and then turns out they bloody had the coven. So you know, they weren't too very they weren't very popular here in New Zealand. Those two ladies. So you do the drive show on Zed em you took over from MH, Jason PJ, the drivetime show, you do get to touch some of the more lighthearted news I've heard you're doing the pig was spotted running around the town any any any doozies lately, just amongst the the craziness.

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Um, I think just lots of fat content coming mainly from my corner, so to speak. I liked it.

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Keep it as light as possible. And I think there's a balance guys of like doing that really silly stupid stuff. But then also doing some you know, genuine real chats about, you know, things that are happening in the world but not too heavy. So like, I think last week, one of my favourite pieces of content we did was we talked about Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith, which I mean, I'm not too interested in like in the entertainment world, but that story about their relationship and how it's a really uncut, like, unconventional type of relationship or what society sees is like a very unconventional relationship. And we talked about that on the air and then we got people to call through if they were in, you know, what society deemed an unconventional type of relationship. And it was just so interesting and I think, so important to put that kind of content on the air sometimes where you can open some people's minds and worlds as to you know, something different, which I really enjoy that type of stuff is

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Well, what what was what was going on? What some insight blows my mind because I've got one from girls that gone through, she was in a relationship with two other people. And they called themselves a throttle because they were all dating each other and time which is different I believe polyamory which is where you can date multiple people at the same time but you're not all dating each other at the same time if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

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It's not crazy though. Is it? I thought it was gonna be something like But no, but even like, think about that. Now imagine if you had another girlfriend Jonathan. So there's the human brain to pray but I guess you

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there is like if you watch like a Louis Theroux duck or whatever, there's a lot of that. So it actually gets when you put it onto yourself and say, What would I be comfortable with Bray there was one we got this guy that called through and he said he

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He ended up hooking up with his wife's sister and married her. And then his wife.

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His wife's basically did the switcheroonie with his brother okay. His brother was married to his wife sister. He went to his brother's wife, and then he kept Rhonda with his wife. And so they just literally swapped out. Yeah, but I have kids with both like did they miss all the kids didn't get that far or

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what was the out?

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knockout?

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I enjoy. What did you want me to say? Josh? We had a guy called me up and he was dating gods.

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Well, yeah, no, I thought like I did go to sort of pets for some reason. I don't know. Yeah, what's the ality ality not good?

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Well, you have an issue with dumplings. You were talking the other day on your show about things that is it things that you bird bird pop or things aren't you really am

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Go on date. Yeah, a big shout out

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to the dumplings. you animate i thought was interesting.

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What it is, but you know how obviously certain types of people and I find it quite interesting. There's certain types of food that just don't sit well with with different people and dumplings for me is a big No, no, but I just can't stay away from them. And I know that I have to stay away from people then for the next three hours. I remember hearing somewhere that someone said to me that if you really love a food, you actually potentially have a very small sort of like, allergy to it. Oh, no, you don't. Yeah, so like if you love cheese in potentially. Yeah, you should imagine have some hunch. Yeah, well, I was gonna say lactose intolerant, holy shit, but I love Jays. Do you take the lacto t you like lactase or whatever it is.

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So I only friggin found out about these things like a year ago, having a milkshake every time.

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I like to ride the wave Josh lets me get that but I was thinking I'm hungry jacks. I wanted to bring this up. First of all in New Zealand. Is that hungry Jack's?

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So yeah, they have Burger King here. And every time I say hungry jacks, I get roasted for it and they run like King and I'm like, you know,

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you've also got Wendy's side note, but I have Denny's as well. Have you ever had Denny's?

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I got a staph infection from the first time I went there. What are you doing, man?

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pretty basic. It's like sizzla but you still back in 1992 I think. Yeah. But no, I was gonna say hungry jacks. I feel like it's one of those things where for days I feel like I'm sweating out the

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The Flying grilled smell makes its way through.

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Yeah, hungry jacks. Definitely. I mean, I've been in a nightclub and burped and I'd been for souvlaki you know an hour before. Funny thing is no one knew where it came from you say everyone guy. Ah

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ha the smell of when a dishwasher is open you know it is disgusting.

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And you have to try and get away from it terrible. Have you ever had Would you

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rather be caught in a in a burp or would you rather smell someone's fart or someone's bad? Yeah, burp any day of the way? Yeah, I think I'd rather smell they fall

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I think it rancid burp is connected to the food they like. Well fat has to throw the whole system if you're burping It smells like like actual sheets like a fat cane. Yeah, you've

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got a problem. Yeah, that's true.

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Given

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a piece of content that was too much for radio

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all the time, take your pick. I think I'm constantly pushing the boundary and pushing the line. I'm trying to think of something I've been told off for recently. You know what I did do recently. You know, it was probably and I hate to bring it back to Fox, I swear this will be the last time I talked about bots on this podcast. But I did a piece of content where it was probably about eight or nine months ago and I'd started dating someone. And I decided that I would record the audio of me farting in front of them for the first time and getting their reaction and playing that out on the air because I feel like that's a really relatable kind of moment where it's like you go however many months without doing anything like that. It's like you don't fart oh shit at all. And then there has to be a certain point in the relationship where you're like, Hey, I'm actually a human being and you

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So I thought I'd do that as a piece of content. And I mean, I loved it, but I was

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like, what was your partner okay with it like, cuz I feel like that's the whole thing. We're constantly getting in trouble with our partners for going too far on shit or saying stuff you're not meant to say.

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Yeah, no, I definitely checked it off first. And I think it's one of those things especially when I think anyone you're dating, when it's a new relationship and you do this kind of work, it's very hard to kind of grasp at the start, but I think you know, it's a part that comes with you and if they really love you, it's kind of a communication thing where you just need to communicate properly and they'll hopefully understand you know, and you'll know where the line is where it's too far and you know, obviously okay, but that can be quite difficult to navigate at times. I agree. As your as your mum realise that line because you give your mom hell

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My mom is one of my closest friends. But also such an amazing human being and mother.

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Enemies

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are God I hate that woman.

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She's great. And she she gets it. And I think it's been, you know, on and I have many years I've been tormenting her my whole life, but I think I started recording it back in 2016. But um, she's so great and so supportive. I don't think there's ever been a time where she was like, don't put that anywhere. Like there's never been a time she just laughs it off and she thinks it's funny. She also gets recognised and people love her. So I think she kind of loves that now secretly. What's, what's been the biggest difference that you've noticed between the radio industry in New Zealand versus Australia?

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There's no fucking delay here.

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What does that mean? You guys know that

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What do you mean?

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So, you know, Tommy, you would know that when you work in radio, there's like a seven second delay, breakfast or whatever, there's no such thing. And also, yeah, the dump button does not exist. There's no such thing. So if someone says, a swear word just goes there. That's good. And so is there. I mean, maybe there's different rules in the radio rules. What is it the, you know, you had to sit through those sort of induction sessions, mainly because of calls and lands was, is that that kind of stuff? Like, is there different rules?

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Absolutely. I think I mean, the last company I worked for in Australia was FCA. So there was a tonne of rules and I mean they use Kyle as Kyle and Jackie I was the examples in all of them you guys would know.

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So I think here it's a lot more lacks, I haven't had you know, those big obviously things that have happened with I've had to put those kind of rules in place yet. Hopefully, never.

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But yeah, that was really interesting. And I feel like even language here is a little bit more lacks, like, depending on what time you know, you can say certain words. I did get a complaint a couple of months ago for saying Boehner

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I agree. I think it's, you know, classic key way or the word and there was obviously I caught some woman on a bad day.

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I mean, there was a barn I can't ruin anybody.

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Jesus.

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Jesus, Jesus. Yeah, that's, you get a lot of compliance for that. Anything else? Any other Yeah.

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Yeah, well, even like, Oh my god, you know, saying stuff like that or no? Well, if we are getting complaints for that, they don't show it to us because obviously they don't care too much. Yeah, no, I like that. And so, you know, the radio bubble in Australia is it's a mess.

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I mean, if you're sort of, you know, it's feels like the industry is quite big does it feel like the industry's big or bigger in New Zealand?

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I think it definitely feels smaller here. Like in Australia, there's obviously so many like regional and provincial and you've got all these stations, which I think makes Australian radio such a great industry to work in because you've got so much opportunity. Whereas here in New Zealand, it's kind of like in the future where they've gotten rid of most regional and provincial kind of stations, and it's all based out of Auckland, except for a few stations that, like the old stations, like the hits, they still have a few regional markets still going. But yeah, it definitely feels like there's two companies here. And we're pretty much battling it out against each other with you know, all of the sister stations, whatever they've got, we've got a sister station and so on. So, yeah, but I mean, it's it makes it even more

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competitive, I think, yeah, I feel like he made a name for yourself in Australia with the digital content, how supportive or sort of

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open to digital content that is the New Zealand market.

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I think when I came over here, Josh, I said to Dane Buchanan, who was essentially the reason why I came over he pretty much was the guy that plucked me out. I said to him, I was like, I want a full time digital producer for our show. And I asked for a bunch of other things. And I said, Our show is going to do digital better than any other show here in New Zealand. That's what I want to do.

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And we made that happen. And we had an amazing digital producer Ellie Harwood, who actually just left us she got snapped up by a YouTube channel team called Viva dirt. But um, we've created a page that you know, we've we, we do really well and I think we are you know, on top

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terms of digital contents for our radio show. And then also for my own stuff, I've got a chance to do quite a lot of different things. I've done two TV shows now, which I'm really proud of.

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And I would don't think I would have ever got that opportunity in, you know, so early in Australia. So I'm really excited that I've had that opportunity to do some TV as well. Celebrity Treasure Island. What is that? Because it's a New Zealand show, right? Yeah, so it's a New Zealand it originally was Treasure Island. And essentially, it was where survivor came from. And so the format of Treasure Island was first. And I actually met the woman who I worked with on the show name's Julie Christie. It was her baby and she kind of you know, wrote it and whatever, and then sold it to, you know, a bunch of different countries who turned it into survivor

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and it's pretty much survivor. And then

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And celebrity Treasure Island is just where they just get a bunch of celebrities to compete against each other instead of yeah just normal everyday punters Where did you feel that because it looked quite tropic it look. Yeah, it was. It was about nearly four weeks we filmed it in Fiji a lot. Get the buffet Did you get the all you can eat at night or night? If I wasn't sweating literally so much i'd swamp ass the whole time we will feel I would have put on

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his swamp pass an official term what is swamp imagine it just just you

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know, think about it. swamp us just think about it. Hot sweaty. Sure. But it did. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's good. It's one pass now.

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I haven't quite often.

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Actually.

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My girlfriend Bray we call it

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the smell of dial because when we went on a

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on a flight to Paquette in 2011. And we met an Ozzy kid, he would have been only 10 years old with his mom. And he smelled like dirty ask he's just been fucking on the flight, but he was pumped to be together. pcat and so now

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there's only been a couple of times that Brady has said to me, fuck you smell like dialogue.

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You know, that's the biggest slow you can get dial would be. Dial would be 19. Right. What dials doing?

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you imagine? We could relate these I'm fragrance.

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Yeah, out of dials. But you know, there's definitely a big right. What do you tell people when people reach out to you? And they say, Hey, I'm in regional radio. I want to I've got this dream. I want to be doing what you're doing. What do you tell people in 2020?

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I think

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don't give up if you really want to do it. I know that's such a generic fucking thing to say.

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But the people who really want to do it and and really kind of get there, you'll never give up. And I had pit multiple people like Tell me multiple times, what do you what are you doing, you should just give up. And I've been doing a weekend show for about three years with Daniel gold. And we just never wanted to give up. I was like, I want to see if I can do it. And I believe that I can do it. And I think that would be one thing. Because obviously if you want to be doing that you can't give up so that makes sense. And probably the other thing is just try and think outside the box and do something different that someone else isn't doing and I know that's so fucking hard these days, because everyone has done everything in radio.

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But yeah, just do something that's quintessentially you and, and I think roll with that because that's gonna set you apart from everyone else. Mm hmm. I mean, it's it's one of its stars aligning like they wanted an all z, z right job.

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Yeah, I mean, you've been grinding for years. How much do you think that your social media had to do with landing? This ends Ed gig?

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I definitely I think my social media stuff got me noticed. which

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I think was probably you know, it's always the hardest hurdle of being like hey someone give me an opportunity I can do this like job I know I can I just need someone to give me a platform and in the go, and I think yeah, definitely I'm not gonna sit here and say that it didn't give me a leg up it definitely did. It got me noticed. And I talked to Dean Buchanan one day about this because I said, you know, what, what was it my social media that you know, kind of drew to me and he goes, your social media was the thing I noticed first, but I listened to a lot of your radio and that's what made me want to sign you. Do you have to care about music?

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I don't think so.

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But I do, like I do. I love music. It actually like fuels me. I'm I've always loved it. But I mean, I think everyone has their you know their things and I don't think like if someone says you have to be really passionate about music to do a radio drive show, I'd say well, that's your opinion. And I just don't think so. No. So and who are you because you're not on radio. So

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how long have you been in the radio industry? Then? What was your first gig?

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My first gig? Well, I wouldn't count the student radio station that I did a show on at U q. But if you would count that, that would be back in 2010. So I'd say probably 10 years. And did you think like I feel like people in radio they

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are comfortable with moving around. Did you ever think that you were going to go overseas?

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Absolutely not. I thought moving to Gosford from Brisbane was a massive move. And then when I got this opportunity in this offer to come here, I it took me six months boys to make the decision. It was the hardest decision I've ever had to make because I loved the job that I was doing and Gosford with Daniel gone nsca.

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But I think what pushed me to go was what I regret not taking an opportunity. And I thought, Yeah, I was going to regret it. So I needed to go even if even if it was going to fail, I needed to take the leap and you know, just see if I could do it. Yeah, it seems like with the radio. They famously just put random people together and hope that there's some form of chemistry. What's your What do you

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mean what's your thoughts on it? Have you have you come up with your own campuses away from

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determining whether someone's the right fit for you from a job perspective.

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I think that is such a hard thing. Like it's such a hard question to answer. And I don't think if people would have figured it out, we would have 100 more Kyle and Jackie O's, you know, um, and I don't think there is a particular algorithm or I think the main thing that I would probably say is that whatever Judo you get put into, you need to put in just as much effort off the air as you do on the air

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to really have that kind of connection with that person. And and I think it all bases from a good friendship and you need to have that if you're going to have a really great connection and chemistry on air. That's my opinion ever. And I'm sure there'd be people who think differently, but in terms of myself, that's what I think really works. Yeah, I mean, how do you build a relationship with somebody when you're both getting paid?

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So it's it's a weird one because, for me, I don't think I can play that game because it's not that I don't like the other person but it's like, you know what they have to do and so Josh and I started as mates now we hate each other, but we, you know,

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like a million bucks a year. Ah,

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it's a podcast. Yeah, yeah. But how do you do it? What are the what are the steps to building a relationship when you know you're going into it going? We need to build this. What's our steps to do it?

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Just go out get on the piers bought a dumpling? Yeah.

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Like, I know, it sounds like a joke, but I'm being so serious, like going out and having a few drinks and like actually just, you know, shooting the shit when you're not at work and stuff like that. And I think it's really interesting here in New Zealand. We have to travel quite a lot together as a team, so I think, especially when you're away on those trips.

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Way of spending time that you normally wouldn't in an everyday kind of, you know, job or life, it brings you closer together because you have to lean on each other because they are kind of like your support and family when you're away on those trips. So I think that helps. But yeah, our I can go and going out getting on the piece, and I'm having some real conversations every now and then. How much are you looking to the future from a Korea Korea perspective?

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Josh, in terms of Korea, I just want to have a long ass career and radio, whatever that may be. I mean, I'd love to, you know, obviously go as high as I could go or do as much as I could. But at the moment, I just really enjoy doing radio every day. And I think I'm very lucky to have a job like that, especially in the current climate, and I'm just really thankful for that. So in terms of looking to the future, I've got a few

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projects of my own that I really want to get off the ground. So they probably mo my focus at the moment but then still, you know, kicking ass in our in our kind of survey category here in New Zealand is what I want to tackle first I think what's also challenging I've felt in the past is regional stuff you're with a co host that has their own dreams and goals and so is there any difference when you do get it to a metro drivetime show? That's quite you know, it's a you're on a huge show in New Zealand. I you more you in communication with your co host about what your goals are individually and also as a team.

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We have talked about you know, that type of stuff before and we've obviously I think the main things we talk about is what we want to tackle together in the next you know, however many years

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Making sure that even with our producers were a very tight knit team and having that same kind of goal, whether that be a long term one or you set you know, shorter goals for yourself or and we're all working towards that same thing. Because if you if you're not united, it makes it very difficult, I think. How do you go with feedback or criticism?

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Um,

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that's an interesting question, Josh. I think back in the day when I first started posting things to social media, and I remember the first time one of my videos got posted to uni lad, which I mean is a community of million bajillions of people.

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And I made the mistake of reading some of the comments on their website.

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Which not not the nicest I think one of my favourites though, because I saw the comedy comedy in it. Someone said, Oh, this chick looks like Kira delavan if she was a fat and all

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Myth I thought that was quite funny

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i thought

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was an interesting combo too as well. Like you really having to counter that you really fucked up if you're on the fence seems we

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know exactly and so the calories out the feedback Who do you Who do you listen to? When it comes to feedback?

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There's a few people I think that I kind of look to Craig Bruce is our consultant here at xlm. So we often have my my boss Ross is walking past and cry with me. Yeah, he checks with him every now and then and I catch up with him for dinner when he comes over to New Zealand and just kind of chat about you know, whatever. Which It's so weird to sit across from him sometimes because I'm like, you are the Craig Bruce and like him and I just, you know, down on a few bloody beers

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at the pub. But I do like hearing I like to take it from quite a few people because I think if you take it from one person, then you're going to run into trouble because it's like an asshole. Everyone has an opinion but doesn't necessarily mean you know, they, they're good to look at. And so I think I like to look at a bunch

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in someone else. Yeah. My boss Ross and even even my colleagues like, you know, they're there every day. They're the ones that are saying, you know, stuff I do day in and day out. So, and probably those guys as well. What about what about outside the bubble like, you know, non radio moms? I mean, I liken it to my wife and it's like my wife's cool with it fucking it's I'm cool with it.

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Also, you run everything past her and what does she thinks it's funny or she's like, okay with it. That's That's good. It's more when I you know, if I cross the line, if these you know, other factors are saying I have and she says, Now I'm like, Well, I have

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It's not I see what you're saying like where do you look to for support? If you Yeah, I copping a bit of shit or whatever. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely my and

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my close friends. I usually run things past them, but I mean, you know, Tommy as you probably would realise they can be biassed. Yeah. You know, that's why I do it.

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Better. Yeah. So CB is actually doing an air check of this podcast on Friday. It's the very first air check because I've come from behind it

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this this might make the

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make the app that I listen to so I am so i i front ported it and said hey Bay, you know you are a you know, a massive industry content person. Would you do this for us? And he said yes. Which was super generous. Any any tips for me going into it, Mike? How

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How does an error check for someone who's never had one? How does it work? And should I prepare my responses for him now? Yeah, so, Josh and check pretty much prepare for them to harp on about really little things. Like, how you say certain words

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which I'm fixing Yeah, yeah. Because you know, podcast you probably won't get, you know, little things like if the if the news is two minutes late, but just be wary of that they might bring that in somehow they love to bring that stuff in. Not. In all seriousness, Craig Bruce is probably one of my favourite people ever to be checked by me because he's so lovely and complimentary of me, because I pay him well,

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too, so it's just a good chance. What's that? Josh? It's the same with Tommy's wife. That's why, right, fair enough. Yeah. I think in a check is just a great chance to you know,

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Get someone's perspective that's not yourself or not your co hosts with their listener, you know, and they kind of hearing things that you never would and I love constructive criticism. I hate criticism, but I love constructive criticism and I wish I got more of it. Because I think if you take it well and you can put it into practice or say where they're coming from, you can only grow and get better. So what can I learn from from an air check that you've actually implemented?

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Recently, it's basically anything can be can be old school, any that stand out to you where it's like, Ah, fuck a bit of an aha moment.

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Yeah, I think probably one of the main ones and I tend to fuckin waffle As you've probably heard on this podcast already, and I can hear myself doing it. Um

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right.

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Probably just getting to the fucking point.

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And hooking someone in straightaway and then just giving them the mate you know, I tend to be someone who I love to talk and and waffles. So that's definitely something I've taken from a chicks, which is real early shit.

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But then

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yeah, I think, to be honest, Craig doesn't give us much negative feedback these days. Like he just gives us stuff where we can kind of change and tweak certain benchmarks and stuff like that. Which can you tell him I want some more constructive criticism? That'd be Yeah, sure. Definitely. But give some to yourself, what would it be fair to say to analyse and it can't be waffling?

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Um, I think at the moment, I literally had an A moment yesterday where I was like, I need to thoroughly think more about how I want brakes to play out. And it's not every time but there was a few times yesterday in the show where I was like, if I had a

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thought about this more and kind of put a little bit more structure in, I could have got a really great moment on air, but I was a bit fucking lazy. And I didn't do that. So that's something that I think I'm focusing on at the moment. I wonder if there's anything anyone doesn't work well with

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receiving constructive criticism, like I think about Joe Rogan. And the people from the outside said that we're saying too long, short, less of this, more of that. He didn't listen to any of them. And he's become the biggest podcast in the world. I just like finding a reason to push back. I think it's good to get that stuff like I find part of it is it's like, what's the obvious thing? So the feedback is around what are what are people thinking? And then you can use your own filter system around. Is that the right way to go or not? I mean, there's nothing better than feeling like you are onto something and other people have no clue. Like, yeah, I guess that's what

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Rogan would have felt like, what he's like you guys don't get it. And especially like for you Bri, you're in a top spot in radio. It's like, you're doing a lot, right. And so maybe that's why Bruce, he doesn't.

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More Yeah, you just need to defend your position. You just need to not fuck it up now, I guess. And you got there because you got there because you were you were good, good at your job. And so that's I guess, like, but I guess that's the other interesting thing is it's like how do you develop? Or how do you sort of progress? Have you changed much as a broadcaster or a content creator? Do you think over the last sort of five or 10 years?

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I think I think I've just gotten more life experience. And one thing that I haven't

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I get told all the time, especially by Craig and by, you know, other people, they're like, the reason why I think I am relatable to the audiences because I'm not very radio

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Even though I've been doing radio for a long time now, and I try and I try not have much of a filter, and I try and do stuff, where I am a bit crass sometimes because that's actually me, and I'm not, I don't want to change myself.

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Because I think that's when the audience really connect with you when you're actually being your true self on the air, which is really hard to do sometimes. And there's moments. I mean, I had a moment about six, six or seven weeks ago where I talked about my mental health on the air and I said, I just need to say right now I'm really struggling and I'm, you know, my anxiety is really bad. And I just wanted to be real because I feel like we don't talk about this stuff enough. But if I can help one person that might be feeling like that. And they say May, who they look at as someone who never has any worries or issues and they can feel comfort in the sense that they're not alone. Like it's very normal. Then I'm going to do that stuff and it was hard like it's it's real.

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Had to talk about that personal stuff. But I want to be that type of broadcaster where I'm just so honest and genuine with our audience. Is there a distinction of personal like stuff that you keep close versus stuff that you broadcast? Do you think that there is align?

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Um, my mom would say no, there is no line.

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I think there's a really kind of small pot,

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which I'm still working on. And it's probably, you know, my relationship stuff. I keep quite private. Even I told you about the farting thing earlier. There's quite a lot of my relationship that I do keep for myself, and I think it's mainly cuz, I mean, I signed up for this life, my partner didn't so

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I think you do need to, like try and share some of that stuff. But yeah, you just need to pick and choose the stuff where obviously you do need to keep certain things as just private and for yourself. And so with your mom using that as an insult

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poll? Like, obviously, you've sort of Lent into that. What do you think the difference is between your relationship with your partner versus say, your mom? Is there a distinction there?

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Um,

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I think

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I have to live with my partner every day. I don't have to live with my mother every day.

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So, you know, that might have something to do with it. I can kind of get out of it if shit goes south. Nah, I think my mom and I just have a really good understanding I think of I just know her so well. And she knows me so well. And she knows that I would never put her in a position that was going to be, you know, bad or going to paint either of us in a horrible light. So I think we've been doing it for such a long time now and she just she just rolls with the punches, which is the reason I love her so much and she laughs it off. So I think that's probably the biggest difference is that we don't live together talking about

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About the anxiety stuff. Was there anything that in your role or your job that you find flares up or makes anxiety or mental health things worse?

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Yeah, absolutely. I think especially the culture that we're living in at the moment, you know, everyone is like ready at the keyboard to say something or bring you down, you know, like, and I feel like even if that's not the case, that's the kind of,

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I guess, vibe that is floating around at the moment. So I was even talking about this with my co host, Clint the other day like him and I were both like saying that we're just a little bit more on edge these days, just because, you know, one wrong thing that you say or whatever, you know, people will come after you with pitchforks kind of thing. So that definitely takes a toll on you and like, you're always trying to please everyone and not upset people and you know, be the best person you can be and sometimes that gets quite tough.

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I think how do you do it in a three minute talk break talk about mental health, because it deserves at least six

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I think I did take about six and my boss didn't have a go at me for that which was really nice.

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I think I did it in a way where I didn't it wasn't a sob story for me and I, I pretty much like,

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premise that with like, I have my dream job and my dream life like I love living my life every day. But that doesn't mean that I don't have down days and shit days as well. And I think that's something that's probably you know, a little bit

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kind of faded into the background is that people think if you have all everything all your ducks in a row and everything perfect that you are happy constantly and everything is perfect, and you never have a bad day and I just think I want to break that kind of ideology because it's not true. Like we all know

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Though isn't it because like, I feel like we, we expect that you're going to arrive like, I've got no doubt that I'm like, okay, when we have a bigger space, and I have like a clean desk, and I can like and it's a sunny day like it's gonna be, everything's gonna be fucking great. But then my girlfriend brace and the other day she said, I like maybe it was quite depressing actually see she said,

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Maybe you'll never be happy, which would sound which sounds very depressing. I picked her up on a straightaway I said, well, you're projecting that on me now. Now I'm never gonna be happy but I just I'm always wanting the next thing. And I'm like when I get here I'll do this. Did you think when you got to where you are now, were you expecting to be happier than what you are?

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I think

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you're all Yeah, you're always and I think it's human nature for us to always be like, oh, once I get that new car or once I go on that one.

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I get on holidays or go on that trip or you're always I've really tried to I think the hardest thing and I watched that. Have you guys seen that Michael Jordan documentary? I haven't yet good. I've heard it's very good. It's great to watch. I'm not gonna ruin it for you. But the biggest thing that I took from that documentary was one a guy that knew Michael Jordan.

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Really well, he said, the biggest thing about Michael Jordan that set him apart from the rest was not his amazing athletic ability or drive or anything like that. He said, it was his ability to literally live in the moment all the time.

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And just hearing that, I was like, wow, that's such like an eye opener thing. Because I think so many of us don't do that. Like, we're always thinking about, you know, what happens when this or like, what about, you know, and things. You think of stuff from the past and that holds you back from doing something or, you know, whereas they said, Yeah, Michael Jordan just lived in the present and him

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Being able to do that that's why he was so amazing and so good.

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And I, I really try and do that these days because I think you lose sight of, you know, if you're always looking for the next thing, you're not enjoying what you're doing right now. And to me, that's what it's all about, like, you need to be enjoying life and loving what you do in the moment. What about ambition, like I feel like in some ways when you're in a regional station or wherever it is, and then you're moving on, there is a sense that you're only there temporary temporarily and you're going to move on. Isn't that sort of a treadmill that you actively have to stand off when you get a roll like you have now

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it's such a hard one and I feel for all those people in the regional markets because sometimes you feel like you're never gonna get off that treadmill. But I think like we just spoke about before you need to concentrate about absolutely killing it in that

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moment in that show that you're in right now. Because if you're not focused on that, I don't think it'll be very difficult to get that opportunity for the next step because you need to be killing it in what you're doing. Like right now. Did you do that? Like, I could imagine that you being so ambitious with the digital content and video, I remember when I was doing digital content for faith angels, the criticism that Sam cab would have on Jules was, Matt, you're spending too much time on this video piece, you know, like the audience, throat, you know, all that matters is what's going through the speakers was sort of the classic line, they'd say, how do you consider focus with all of this stuff? And when you do have these other interests?

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I've been Yeah, it's quite. I've got a guy who's kind of, he's managing me now and deals with a lot of that back end stuff like all the other things that I'm kind of doing I think you need to think about what is your main focus and your main goal

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And for me that is doing a great radio show every day.

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And then, you know, you put that as priority number one, and then everything kind of falls underneath that. But I think To be honest,

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I believe your digital is just as important as what's going through the speakers these days. Because it's such a massive opportunity. You could get someone who gets a radio survey book that's never heard your radio show in the car or ever. They've never listened to a podcast, never heard the show. But they could have watched 100 videos of yours on Facebook and being like, I fuckin love those guys. I'm going to give them a tick in the book. So for me, I feel like it's a real opportunity in that digital space to do really well and get it's another platform to pretty much, you know, be able to have ticks in those radio books. To me, that's how I see it.

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And the other challenges

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in the noisy environment, comparing to other

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Other people so it's like, you might have a radio show but then you're looking to someone who has this ginormous YouTube channel Have you? Have you struggled with comparison? In the past or current?

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What do you mean in terms of like, just looking left? You know, even when you're in a great position I find I do it it's like I'm looking left at what other people are going back and that looks good. wouldn't mind me to that fame that success that money? I mean, it's just easy go to rob. Me. Absolutely. I think it's human nature. We all do it. And there's always you know, someone we're looking at. Oh, that's a great idea. Damn it, why didn't I think of that? I'd love to be doing that. And most of the most of the time the people that I'm looking at and my mates like even you guys, I look at like what you're doing and I I envy, you know, what you guys are doing? And it just means that I

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know, but I do like, and I think it's like it's a really cool thing and I just want to be doing everything you know, and I feel like if you

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You've got that drive and ambition. You do want to have your finger in every pie like I know I do. I just want to be doing doing everything doing more doing it bigger.

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And so where do you land with it all? Like, I've gotten real dark in the past few weeks. I'm not, you know, the world's gonna end You know, like, it's a wonder, does it matter anyway like, watching documentaries on the Great Depression and plagues and oils and stuff like that. So do you find that your ambition or your you know, just your vibe has been huge with all the stuff that's happening in the world right now?

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I think for sure, I think if someone says no, they're probably

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asleep or they're like not really that connected to what's going on. Like it's very heavy like, and to be honest, like Josh, I feel like since being here in New Zealand, I've had a well our show has had a pretty tough trot in terms of you know,

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We had the cross church shootings, which that was the hottest radio show that I've ever had to do where that news broke half an hour before we went to air. We had a whole show repaired and literally scrapped the whole thing and had to do this, you know, show where we couldn't believe what we were hearing. And all we were trying to do was only talk about things that have been, you know, reported as fact and just give out information to people that might help them but it was one of the hardest shot like radio shows I've ever done and probably will ever do. Like it was just crazy. And I feel prepared for that. Like I guess there is a distinction between journalists and radio presenters. Like I feel like radio presenters could go their whole life without necessarily going dialling in you know, just reporting facts and talking that you know, the sort of news cycle. Did you feel prepared when you went on air that day? Absolutely.

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No, I didn't, I was kind of like a deer in the headlights. I was like, What is going on? Like, this is like, it was also just dealing with the fact that something like this was happening to people and it was so close to you know,

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I like I've got friends and stuff down there and I think it was no i did not feel prepared, but once those microphones went on, I was prepared.

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And that might have just been, you know, obviously I've had have many years in radio now or my you know,

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my instincts just kicked in. But um, yeah, it was it was a really full on an overwhelming day and something that went on not just for a day, like weeks, a number of weeks.

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And so did you. What was your default, like, oh, because I there's some interesting content on YouTube where they take all the New York radio stations when 911 happened, and just see

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hearing how people talk about it and things like that, did you find that in that moment, you went to a specific style of talking or a specific filter?

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I think, Josh, my style is just, I just go into friend or family mode and I just want to talk to people that listen to our show and be there for them as someone like that. I know that sounds really weird, but I just go into this like, nurturing type of mode, and I just talk to them because they are they feel like we are their friends and they listen to us every day. And I want them to feel like that because we are there for them. And that's, you know, a part of our job and I think I just go into that super caring and, you know, probably just nurturing mode. That's it. I just, it's just default. I just can't help it. That's just what comes out. I think. Did you were you on a for the seven weeks that you're all locked down?

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Yeah, so we were I was working from home for a part of it and then we had a week or two weeks off and then the rest we were on it it was a really strange time because you felt like no one was listening at all.

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Yeah, I mean sweet and and how much content Have you got from around the house? To be honest it's you know,

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build a fire again house. I mean that what was that song? I mean, the house board.

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Yeah. I mean, what do ya scape ism. In regards like commercial, I feel like commercial radio. There's a bit of escapism in it. Obviously, there are subjects that you just need to cover. But I've even noticed that everything seems heightened heightened at the moment and you see, companies would

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talk about certain issues like there's been certain issues like say, black lives matter where most companies seem to go and talk about it.

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But then there's a longer tail of social issues that then starting to spike up and gain traction. And then I guess we need to ask ourselves as people who are doing podcasts as companies as a broadcaster, what is our responsibility in talking about that? How much do we have to say about that? versus how much of our role is around escapism? Where Where have you found that balance?

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That's so interesting, you say that, remember, when all this kind of covert stuff was really getting grim.

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There was moments where I was like, I just want to provide some light entertainment and an escape for people. And there was literally where I think we did that. And then there was moments where we kicked into, hey, we need to have a real light, obviously chat about how people are feeling and what's actually going on for a minute or two. And I think for probably about four

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Three or four weeks, every now and then we do a segment on our show where I think it was, I think it was Gold Cup of tea and a biscuit. And a

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cup of tea and a dumpling. It wasn't worth it.

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You get it? Yeah, you should joke a second chance. It's never worth it. If you don't hear me just laugh, but Yeah, come on. You always go for it.

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And yeah, people just called up and we just literally had a chat about what was going on for them and how they were feeling and you know, what was locked down? Like, because you had to kind of convey that because, you know, and so I think we picked and choose those moments, but I think majority I'd say was 80%, escapism and light and fun. And then you know, every now and then we'd bring in some of that, you know, we give them all the live updates or the stuff that they needed to know but 80% we were there to you know, do

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fart jokes and

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dumplings. Yeah. What's on the show today? It's in a couple hours time. Um, what is on the show today? That's a great question. Hold on, I can tell you.

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I mean, back in my back of my day, it was Gawker, BuzzFeed news kaamdar you though they're sort of the tabs you have open what do you what are you gonna open in NZ? What's the New Zealand so I I love a bit of news.com.au just because I feel like I can take one of their stories and twist it and make it my own. Yeah, and luckily uni lad. Don't mind a bit of this stuff.

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Love

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the Herald which is like, you always got to put some local in there. So I've always got the Herald, the Herald crankin and what else? BuzzFeed is not really a thing anymore, is it? No, no, back in the day. Oh, God, Australia, definitely. And so what's the run sheet like for someone who's new

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Not in radio?

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How does it work? How many pieces of content Do you need to come to a show with? And how do you work out whether something requires a phone or where you get people to ring in versus something that's just arrived? Where you're talking?

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You could answer this Tommy as well. You've done a lot in radio as well, right? And I think you get to know your audience and like, where phone is probably seeing the most, and I think it needs to be always a balance, like for us, we tend to do in an hour. If, if you've got a good photo, then you you put it in. I think people go wrong, where they're like, Oh, that's way we do a phoner so we have to jam a foreigner in there. Whereas I don't really have that sensibility. I'm like, Yes, if you've got it, then you put it in. But if you don't, don't try and make something you know, cram in, which isn't gonna work, but I think a balance like a phone or an hour, and some like maybe a benchmark and some single pieces of content, maybe something's wrong.

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Maybe something personal usually is a good mix. Yeah. And do you go with Jason PJ have mentioned that they sometimes struggle when they get guests in, but that's not necessarily their

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strong. So what? How do you go when it comes to guests? Do you have any sort of tactics or strategies around how to do a good interview?

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I think

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specially because we're doing drive. I think if you have a good idea that plays to your audience, and somehow involves the guests that you're having in, that's when we say yes to interviews. If we don't have a good idea or something funny or fresh that we can do with the person then we tend to stay away from them. That's just our kind of take on that stuff. And we're lucky that we do have the luxury of

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picking and choosing sometimes

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But I think Yeah, try and tailor a particular idea to that person because they're not they're gonna appreciate it because they're probably doing 1000 bloody interviews in the day and everyone's asking him the same boring old question and it also makes it fun for your audience and something that you can tailor towards you know that your you know your audience is gonna enjoy yeah and then it could just be their personality at the time when they're tired and shit be that's what I find hard about the radio like being slaughtered with a celebrity yeah when the real talent so if you can dial it yeah fucking You've done well and he stops any any any times where it's gone really poorly.

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Oh, take your pick. Bernard fanning wasn't a big fan of me. I know that I really Why do you say that what happened?

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We it wasn't even in studio was a phone interview. I just remember being devastated because I fucking love powder finger and I love him and I think we

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just caught him on a bad day, like Tommy said, and he just was not Kane was not laughing at any jokes. I'm just not up for it. And then more recently, do you guys know baby rexha know, whose baby rexha is a singer from America and she sings that song.

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Something like if you then be lined up, I'm not a singer. Oh, it's quite a new song.

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Baby, Rick said the baby, and then Rex. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. last hurrah. She's pretty fun. And so what were you saying about her? Sorry. So we came up with this idea, because at the time she was promoting a song called I'm a mess. So we came up with this idea where we created this fake game show where she was going to go against me and my co host, Clint was going to ask us questions, essentially ask her the simplest, easiest questions ever.

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me questions that I was never ever going to get if you got a question wrong the other person got to pretty much pour heaps of gross shit on you. Anyway, she rolled in and she had this amazing Balenciaga leather jacket on and I was obsessed with it. I was like, Oh my god, that jacket, so nice. Anyway, her management was not keen on the idea. And then she was keen on the idea. And then they kind of had a bit of a fight. And she was like, I'm not going to get anything on my jacket. And that's when she got a bit too into it. And pide be in the face with this cake and it just went all over this jacket. Oh,

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it's, it's memorable. At least I'm sure I mean, if she said she's up for it. What was it?

1:00:47
Six grand. I think the jacket was worth about 10 grand. I asked her and she said it was about 10 grand. So what do you reckon? There's that sort of cliche or the thing that I found was the the bigger the guest

1:01:00
more humble so if the if that sort of the A listers it will ferals Justin Bieber's super lovely in person. person who just came forth in Australian Idol a bit of an asshole. Is that a? Is that a common thing?

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Yeah, I think so. And

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I'm trying to think back of some of the interviews that I've done and like all the big stars Yeah, that I've interviewed have been so lovely, like, the big ones like Shania Twain or Kelly Clarkson, or, you know, the ones that stand out to me, like David Guetta was one of the nicest dudes ever. And he was at his peak when we interviewed him. And he was just so like down to earth. He was like, I'm eating a bacon sandwich. And we were like, just want to let do like we just loved him. So I do find that, but I do find that most people tend to be fine. And I think it's just you have to remember and I think if you acknowledge at the side that you

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Interview hasn't been a long day of interviews like you know is this quite punishing will get you in and out kind of thing. And I think they kind of appreciate that especially celebrities who do a lot of them so that's probably something that I tend to do being like are you know what number interview is this like we'll get you in and out. Thanks. Very quick cream pie in your face you done

1:02:23
awesome braid. Thanks so much for coming on the show. It's it's been awesome watching. We've been watching your career from afar and like saying you kick goals in New Zealand also things been awesome. So thanks so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me boys. And I've been watching you guys I know this sounds like a rose but I have and like I said I am I really respect what you guys are doing and I know the dedication and the drive that it takes and you guys are absolutely kicking your own goals. I just wanted to bring one last thing up Tommy. Yes, you amber here we go before I ever did

1:03:00
Social media I messaged you and said we should do some collabs together Do you remember that fact? I didn't I can check my Facebook

1:03:11
No, I think I do. Well here it is. Here's the collab would you guys want to do a tick tock right now? Yeah, well that's what I thought I was gonna say Tommy the office still there let me know and we can we can make that code lab happen right let's do this. I can give you guys a two shot now if you wait if you've got something but I mean, what are you pretty much my grad ideas take time. Let's just

1:03:36
work on

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your paper.

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Your wife and you

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know, I really appreciate you guys having me on keep doing what you're doing and we'll chat soon. Awesome. Thanks for the daily talk show. Tomorrow guys have a good one. Hey, guys.