#094 – Women in radio/

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It's the daily talk show. I'm Josh Johnson. I'm telling me jacket and this is a conversation sometimes worth recording.

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Good day. Yeah, you've

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got stuff in your teeth.

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He's going to mirror just on him. So

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you have a guess this is it gets okay. It's a it's currently smiley really like

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it's something you won't get it. It's a bit from pesto

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pesto. Two more guesses. It's a seed now it's a avocado. smashed Evo. It's a chia seed you didn't get it wasn't it's

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Seaway ocean

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it's a Wade from sushi ah. People love say wait just like eating it just easy. I saw top listening if that's you I saw on Instagram Insta story who wasn't someone Oh Stacy June or she yeah she

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was on an interesting story just going having a bit of a snack and I'm sure it was was like is that paper she's she ate some funky sheet and by saying funky ship healthy Yeah. very progressive food. She would always ate really well. When we're working on radio together. And Chevron. Yeah

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so discipline to be able to do that.

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Oh man. She would she would prep but it didn't sit. Yes. You should just get her on to talk about what she

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yeah we could do that. The

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yeah the food that I've got the issues

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I was gonna say with food. And I'm like I've got issues I'm actually that sums it up pretty well. Just don't. They didn't have food fact. The told myself that I wasn't going to replace. I'm with the F bomb today. And I've already done it.

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It's I can hear it from

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you. I think I ended up from you. Yeah, you know, working our way to episode hundred. We're not stopping swearing. But we're just trying to rein it in a little bit. Because the children Bray was playing the fridge grab and we dropped the F bomb three times in a matter of 60 seconds on an ad for fridge in regards to context, probably slightly necessary. I think you had want like you said the F bump three time guy says hashtag and you know you created that hashtag Yeah,

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that was to really drive home the hashtag as well because it would be an unusual hashtag to say

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Ya know so the food food lightly what I've been doing every morning getting a and flat white coffee. We're not even at the food bit. Yeah, also, that's it. So I have that his own body I know. But then I've been haven't been eating that healthy in the sense of like, not a lot of fiber and stuff like that. But I'm just I'm basically eating from like, one o'clock I have my first meal 1pm and I just I normally have lunch at like, two 2pm. And then at again, at like five or six minutes. I just

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it was imagining people almost falling asleep at the wheel of the car listening to this.

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It's been a while since if long listeners of the show. I wanted a segment which was sort of what I've eight Josh is food I'm dating. And it's not even food diet. Because if you speak about it, don't write it down. So it's and I also don't say what I touching base with Josh is food. I would have to know my favorite food at the moment or meal. Jimmy Chang What is that? If it's called Jimmy Chang go with Jimmy Chang go. I think. Jimmy Chang like the name. Yeah, it's like an enchilada. But fried okay. It's probably not the hill NC Yeah, it's no gripe it's got beef in it says bit of protein there. That's how it works. So I've been you had to doing that. But you gotta

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take on a ship. He food. Yeah, he is.

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The annoying thing is that I'm I've got enablers all around me. It's like when we saw jack the other day for Episode 90. And you're looking great. So does that mean that you then go off and fucking blow it? No, I do though. I just continue what I'm doing. Yeah. Because I think that it's actually calorically, it's probably okay. Like it's pretty hard to have two and a half thousand calories in the in you know, five hours. So

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you got a compliment from jack but you're not receiving compliments around at the moment. What do you what do you mean you got troll? Haha. That's for being

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raised the actual comp really bring out the

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layer. So this went down on YouTube in the comments section and it's gone down the YouTube comments section for me. I've been trolled. But I'm glad that you're on the receiving end of this one. It's a problem with thing going viral. As soon as you go outside your friendship group. People are assholes. All right. And

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the term of viral I mean I'm using it very loosely. It went when I say viral it went beyond people that know me. Okay.

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It's pretty loose. Isn't it? pretty loose definition

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No. Sorry. rich quick seeing right. You're not even trying and you come off as such as soy

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you introduced me to sorry boy I didn't realize that it was so

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common i think i think there's a bit of a movement for the fries soy the person who told me about soy we were at the service stage yesterday and we're buying protein drinks and he said to me are white hang on does that have soy milk in it?

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So the I said

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why are you worried about becoming a soy? Yeah

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so it's where it's come from? The one issue with soy is it has there is a small amount of negativity around feminine feminine attributes correct so it's a little it's it's slightly I think it's I think it's funny but I can also say it as a as a that people actually get behind is something where it's like it's a bit of an anti femme thing if you break it down

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what a soy we've got the

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perfect slang used to describe males who completely and utterly like all necessary masculine qualities this pathetic state is usually achieved by an overindulgence of emasculating products and or ideologies yes so it's an audio like I think the when you when you actually write it out it's a little bit dark because it's referring to these ideologies of like you know that to have masculine traits means that year this that not something which and if we just have it at the surface of what we now it yeah and

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what we found funny about it is that soy milk can slightly increase your East East region levels within your body which if you're a female that's naturally on on yet quite a lot but man boobs is a real concern so i think i don't know it's just

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I think when you if you don't look too deep into it you thinking Are you going to your voice is going to be less Dave and you're gonna grow some you know your nipples are going to start pointing out a bit and this all happens Yeah, I Bray was on some medication for a while just to sort of like neutralize their hormones or whatever had estrogen patches and I woke up and she she wears it on a like on Eros type thing. If I woke up one day, and it stuck to me. And I freaked out. I was like, I seriously was like, getting a little bit concerned. Because I'm like, this isn't just like having a bit of soy milk. The seas I've been Mike like I've been given a dose of estrogen

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is so good. It's not ideal. If we had doctors administrating it with administering it. Would you take a bit of taking me to a surgeon?

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testosterone?

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Yeah, definitely. But

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the one thing that I think with testosterone is the the hair loss and I'm already where I feel like no worries,

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the V or amounts of testosterone would make your Hagar but you know what we should do for this show. And I know you wanted to get do some testing before we did some fitness stuff, but it would be cool to get out testosterone levels. Tequila guy now you're on board. Yeah, but I'm more I'm more just to see what they are. And if there is a difference because you just said I probably need some testosterone. Well, I don't think I actually do I think that because I stomp around like you're a bit more silverback gorilla

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Yeah, you've got that vibe that you

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get a lot of hair going on chest hair back here. So my thinking is that there is a fair bit of testosterone being generated out of those not to potentially we had a we had a we test it you need to go to a doctor okay and so if you do have a normal levels of testosterone we can get you on yes Austin you can have it be quite good yeah and then we get into the gym we get told me days that shiny you'd be a you really stop being a superhuman bulking it up and get angry. How did

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that make you feel that when you saw saw Bob like I laughed really hard because then you still have my has Tommy created a YouTube account. That's my initial thought. And then when I click through, and I was like, Oh, no, this guy follows other people. And he's a real person. And that's, that's the thing that surprises me about this stuff where people are leaving comments. These are real people. Yeah, it's like, what sort of state of mind is Mr. Singh in that he feels so sort of compelled and so that's what I worry about. It's almost like he's ideology he's got this vision of like the world and our this guy's a soy?

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Well, you you inform me about this. Read it. Yes, I'm thread sub sub Reddit subreddit.

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I don't spend much time on that. Yeah,

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but you informed me of the ice nice stat subreddit yet some

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people spend probably what I spend on it. Funnily enough, I was

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watching a podcast, I'm just getting into it. Rooster Teeth. Russa tape Yeah. That that's the studio that I sent you a link to

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Melbourne based podcast. And

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no, no, no, no, that's. That's um,

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Rooster Teeth as the big company is the sites of their jargon. Oh

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yeah. They do some cool shit. Anyway, they've got a they've got their main podcast, which is Rooster Teeth. And yeah, we're talking about social networks and saying that Instagram appeals more to women. And funnily enough, like, I spend most of like, I think that that's where I'm maybe lowing testosterone, because it's true that I spend a lot of time on Instagram. And then also Pinterest. If you if you think about it, I have sort of film qualities in that regard, if you were to do it, but anyway, ready it

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some people spend the sort of time that I spend on Instagram on Reddit every day. And like going through all the, you know, conspiracy theories. And there's, there's so many different subjects. So you were talking about the subreddit, okay, the subreddit

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So you simply we didn't send me that you just told me about it. I jumped on it just to check out what was flying around putrid people on that. Yeah, because I did think when I started writing some of these things and just the speculation about Casey Neistat and his family and human what he's doing what he's thinking outrageous yeah what was one of them just like talking about how Casey's got that new you know business of his 368 and how he's gonna he's getting bored of it already what you fucking LISTEN to Him and you know and saying how he's swearing work tools in context you're angry how he's going to mess around and phi that Dan guy and he's just been taken to the cleaners crazy, but it's Yeah, I thought about them as human beings a bit you what one of them is, is some teacher from some little state in America. Yeah, who gets on the go savage? And then goes Hi, kids in like, yeah, it's just this total juxtaposition of what you'd think you'd be, I think, yeah,

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if you're rushing, that sort of stuff, you got to have some serious things going on that you need to sort out like, what like, it's, it's exciting in some regards, because people are so invested with this stuff that they feel the need to do it.

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But I feel like we just don't have that in Australia. We don't have even the biggest names instead of Australian pop culture, I don't think would be getting that sort of having Reddit created and people talking. I think you'd be surprised. I mean, these fake Facebook pages are pretty brutal as well. Twitter's pretty, like you can fly under the radar. Yeah, just a little paste on Twitter.

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Yeah, people just have pitched accounts. Yeah, I don't think that's a technical term. But she said account

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during PayPal, I remember when Twitter first started, I created a an account, I only sent one tweet so I won't give you it was a very good account name. But basically, someone I knew was having a an issue with someone else who was like trolling them on Twitter. So I created this cool name. And then did basically gave this tweeted at them just being like, hey, you've been picked for being an idiot for this were

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the type of Do you really need to? It's so easy to say, just don't read them all. But I think there is a shift like I remember being in shepherd and going into a new place had been people on before, obviously, they were locked in, in some way. And then you see, I actually didn't experience a lot of it. My co host experience more of a saying some stuff come through, I don't remember may give me a little bit of people just the eyes. Idiot or something. Yeah, and it like it's that you're sinking moment. But then it's a weird thing because you you have to push through it. And that's the hard bit about progressing in technology and people wanting to take their careers online. It's it's like this is going to happen, how do you build a thick skin? What do you think? Yeah,

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I think well, on that point about your co host. I think of that

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for whatever reason, women more targeted in this sort of area, I think, than men

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what he said that

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I think that if you just if you look at the if you look at the subreddit, especially even this Casey Neistat, there's women that's in his life women that are in his life that a targeted and it seems like for me, it's sort of screams this misogynistic, yeah, it's sort of belittling this person can't like they're not creative, all of these things, which to me is purely an unconscious bias or expectation of,

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you know what it is like, I just I what came to mind just then these people thinking of this person to try hard they might do the exact same thing as someone else. But they're saying is there a copy cat they're not original, their job? And then we elevate the other people do you not? Do you know? What's your view on it?

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I don't know. I don't know the answer. Well, I

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think that I mean the thing that you I think struggle with is this the idea that men versus women that it men versus women you don't want to play that like similar to Sam Harris talks about it on his podcast to it just talking about gender stuff isn't necessarily fun. And it's also feels like it's creating a divide some sometimes

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but if to imply that women more targeted Yeah, would be implying that

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the man like so what's the what's the thought around knew that the reason why men don't get target I get well, so I know, I understand more of you. Alright, so thinking if the example that I that I saw was when a radio show was canned and it was an all female cast. Yeah.

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And the comments that were on the the article were all about like,

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it was there was a fair bit about like, say, two chicks like that. That was never going to work. But then also talking about,

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you know, get some real talent like old old the comments to me seemed like they were, um, yeah, it just, it just felt like if it was someone else, if it was a dudes, they wouldn't have been the same. So do you want to talk about the show that you're talking about? I didn't know what I don't know if it like because what I was going to do is I want to try and find the actual

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article that I was referring to because I was going to go on there and actually just be like, why are all these assholes getting into the comments I just I'm trying to I'm just trying to find it now because it was a few months ago I don't have had him he doesn't want to mention the name just add of a you know, because it it doesn't seem fair and somehow Yeah, I think the show you talking about I won't mention it, but I know the types of topics that they were touching on Yeah,

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would slightly offend people, you know, commercial radio sense. And so I get it there polarizing, but maybe that's the brand of what show they'll doing. But if you're saying that that were targeted, just because there are women who I am a small minority of people online is an interesting thing. I don't know the data and you can only really make sense of this if you have a bunch of data to to go on that. I feel like that's potentially the the problem is and this is the thing with Reddit is we all theorize and say okay, like prove it like prove that it's very hard to prove but if you push a point of it's a it's a thought I feel that it's about this yeah you're still pushing you're still proving it in your own sense and I'm not saying it's not true right I'm just saying that if you were to go yeah I think it's this that's you're running with something so this is what people are saying so so this is these are the comments from last year and so for me listen to the tone and how they're being taught talk to so it's like

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I'm just going to read all a bunch of them and

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yeah i'm not i'm not going to filter them out based on what they're actually saying I'll just joy to them all so we can just see naturally what people are saying

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so Sally right quoted someone's the the content director of the the show and said I know our listeners are going to love their unique and hilarious take on the world and then Sally said well they didn't hate said was always a late night shot best Good luck girls is to me is a bit condescending Chris says the radio station did some great things this year this was this one was not one of those good decision here very good decision Kelly writes nice skills but not all podcasts work on radio like the thing is

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Chris Wright has two females ever worked anywhere on radio ever know and know that and then going going on about industry specific stuff and this is just like this I'm just have done this in order Nick rights worst show to ever be broadcast I understand that then

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you could say maybe it's just not a good show.

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What's your take on it though because you need to push it so much money into this talking about women so

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so my take on it is that when

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I haven't seen an X show that has that sort of sting or that sort of those sort of comment and for me and it's using the Casey Neistat example. If you look at Yes, there's some stuff with Casey and all that sort of thing. But there's all these sort of assumptions around like, women should only be talking about these things that like and

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well Emre siano was in a on a podcast this week that's kind of gone mad with will Anderson and we've talked a lot about it but there's there's one bit about her speaking of how she was kind of pushed into a role as a woman in a radio show which was Don't be overly opinionated Don't yell and all these things and she talked around these sort of bald headed executives in radio the fucking reality could be that radio in that way it is what it is this is new medium where she's thriving and people like the show you're talking about a thriving and that's how they found their fate. So it's not to excuse these bald headed people pushing women down in radio it's like they the fucking bored I'm pretty sure she said bullheaded I it resonated with me locked it because I could just imagine a bull rider radio executive Craig versus young guys are it's actually about crazy.

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Well, yes. And this is probably I think my thing my take on I mean, now that we're talking about the Ambrosiano interview. I think

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there's going deep into the other side of that we need to keep it to our topic. Yeah, takers in and out well the whole day.

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But I think I think that there's I actually yet

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my thoughts around some of this stuff is that I think that there's, it's not one or the other like someone can be a pain in the ass to work with. And there's like, we've all worked with people who are really difficult to work with. And I just think that

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Yeah, as you said, it is it's a pain in the ass. This is about her experience as a woman in the commercial radio landscape. And I'm saying that the commercial radio landscape might be ruptured. Like, they might be something actually wrong with that. And that, that's why I think that's why it's a systemic issue. Right. So the things I actually like, could really resonate with, with what M was saying in our interview is because if you actually listen to the interview, there's some bits way like, Well, yeah, you're going to sort of get in hot water, because you're saying x, y, and Zed, and you shouldn't, if you get a bag out these people, it's probably it sort of, and poorly, but they read some of these issues where it's like,

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what I can resonate with, which is fact the system, you know, this idea that the system is actually broken, and it's not allowing these people to succeed. And the system, the radio system is set up by the by society, and what society is expecting.

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And it's old school like it is operating in the past, in some ways, as much as they try and bring it into the new digital space. Yeah, there is the, the thought around, you know, the system, and it being a bit broken. That's your spec. I mean, Seth Godin had it spot on, pick yourself, the podcast, the radio show you're talking about, they go to X didn't go to all that slack. They actually built their brand through a podcast. Yeah. So they were forward and that was very impressive. Yeah, and we want to have those people on which were being we should just say who they are. Nothing wrong. Think ago. Yeah, my old co host from shipping. And my question to Stacey, looking back on it's like, and it's always easy to look in

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hindsight. Yeah. But do you think it was the right move going into the commercial radio space when you had such success in the podcast landscape now with the podcast landscape skyrocketing? I mean, look at the daily talk show, guys.

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I just think I just think that like, even on that M conversation, yeah. Yeah. Like, the thing I find interesting is that she admits like, I'm a pain in the ass to work with, sometimes I'm like, if we bring it back to what we're saying, though, about the bosses telling it a base. Why is it because of those things you're saying? Or? Well, yeah, I think that or because she's a woman. I think that the thing is that there is like, maybe there's 60%, which is probably being a female, you are expected to do X, Y and Zed On Air, or you're meant to talk this certain way. And I guess the difficulty is, is that if, but let's saying that there really is a bigger issue in the society of saying that for the girls being on radio, and you and there was not going to be success, there's never been a successful female Joe, it's like the, there's something behind it that you kind of tapping at you have of, of the society thinking that women can't succeed what you think? Well, I think that the hard bit is this, I think that there is a lot of unconscious bias that happens where I'll be, I'll watch a show with friends. And there'll be like, man, I like this person. But that chick is just, like, trying to be funny, and she's not funny, and stuff like that, right. And I think that what it is, is, it's like, we we expect a funny person to look a certain way, or we expect a radio presenter to be a certain way. And I think that that's the that's the stuff, you know, the unconscious bias that I think that there does need to be some sort of work on, I think that the hard thing is with all of this is that there is muddying that goes along, where it's like, some people will say, use that as an excuse, you know, use that and say, Hey, I haven't gotten the same opportunities because of this. And sometimes they're not the people who should be talking about it. They're not the ones like they actually don't have the talent and that's why they're not on you. I mean, you you bring up that unconscious bias and I've heard a few times with you but it

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is that where you sit though because I mean that person going and that person if they have got unconscious bias, they just verbalizing without even knowing right and you are identifying it is that that's some unconscious bias coming up. Where do you fit on that landscape? you actually do enjoy listening to female lead. I

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mean, you've heard me too I'm pretty FEM anyone listen to Instagram and listen to the thinker girls. So on the on the spectrum, I think that it's a

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I don't everyone, everyone has unconscious bias, right? I have unconscious bias.

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What do you feel though? That's what I'm saying like about these things? Well, the

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thing is that what you find entertaining is a level of unconscious bias, right? And we can't necessarily change what people find is entertaining. But at the same time, things that like Australia die being a good example right? Like when Australia Day seven years ago, you could have some fun Yeah, if you're a you know a white dude in Barrick you would have an awesome time and celebrate nights, I think. And now it's gotten to a point where it's like, you learn you get all of this empathy and understanding of like, actually, this is really offensive to some people. And that's like, now that I have that extra context now, don't necessarily like I don't need to celebrate Australia Day. Yeah. And so and so. And the people that hang on to these ideals, I think is like the I think that the thing that we can do if we can take anything from it is it's like before we write something about someone or before we haven't thought even have a thought just asking, why am I having that thought? And I think that like, over the last few years, I've been doing that more and more because

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is that your filter? Because I don't think you've answered my question as far as what's coming up instantly. Or is your reaction to go Am I experiencing unconscious bias now because I don't like listening to this girl on the radio. And

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now I think that there's Yeah, I don't know, I think that like it just just like, everyone's not going to like triple M and think it's true blokey. It's probably the the other side of the coin but I think that there is a

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Yeah, there's a broader

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cuz I'm in the person that says it's, you know, I cannot stand carry bit more like is that person if they're a man

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like this very broad audience, 50% of it is probably some sort of ex girlfriend that they had that traded them like that, right? That's now like, having a good like, I actually think that there's more of that triggering and shit that's going on. Or I just think that people who are who have strong personalities who have female necessarily, you know, some people like this, the common names like Mr. Shannon I spoke about Caitlyn, Brooke is someone who, and I've heard I think Kate so funny. And I love that Joe

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choosing case. And but I've heard people go, I just can't stand her.

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It just feels like it comes from a different place. And it's hard. I know, it's hard to articulate. But I think that what we can potentially do. And so I don't think that this all this stuff, the annoying thing about it is that, yes, she said, these said these things, and she's painting us to work with, and she makes you know, all of those things a true or might be trying them out from her mouth. Exactly. But the thing that

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this we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, which is I actually think that she has a lot of valid points. And there's probably people who won't be taking them in because of a bad experience that they had, or a story that I've heard or and so I was saying her point was valid around the system being broken in that way of these executives looking so you say that in that white in I get when what she was referring to was room where she went in with a new Breakfast Show, and they put out the butchers paper, and they were working out the roles of the show you and this guy was saying, you need to yell less, you need to be less opinion. I don't know. That's what she said. I don't know if that's the words. Yeah, we're just, you know, when you're in conversation and things. I'm sure I can imagine how I can imagine it happening though, because you are deconstructing a show like that, and it's, it's gross. It's like you and I look at roles of the show like, I don't know, we don't look at it like that, you know, maybe the way that structure is looking at that show in that environment is wrong. And it is just going on there. So either she needs to be out of it during the thing because she could kill it by itself. It's a weird thing. Because everyone's saying this, you know, mainstream television or commercial radio is like the end game. Yeah. And it has been for many years, but maybe that isn't the endgame. Maybe that is the environment that is I don't quite know that live. I haven't been in the topping level. Yeah, I've experienced it in the, you know, regional market doing the same thing. Defining roles. No one was ever gonna say this is this is just shifting topic because I don't think it's really going anywhere. But my old not in a bad way.

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I feel lucky to get just

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I get the vibe that you don't like talking about this. No, no, no, no,

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I'm not shifting away from this conversation in

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the sense of like, the when we do talk about it. It's sort of like because I

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understand saying that on unconscious bias. And the way you approach it, you're sitting on the fence I don't think you are identifying with what you're actually feeling because that you could not answer that. What was the question? Well, say for instance, when your friends said I can't stand that woman you're thinking that's unconscious bias? What do you think? What do you think why am I think they're funny? So it's easy to see from the outside when you think it's funny in someone's offering up their opinion on it and to point them to go unconscious I want

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I'm not getting on a high horse and saying I don't have unconscious bias. I might look at people who look a certain way or whatever and make an assumption and say Are they probably going to be like this or that and I try and make an effort to question myself and think

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it's when it makes you feel like you're unconscious bias make it makes you look bad because or makes you feel like you should feel bad because if you're unconscious bias it's about feeling bad and I think that's what that conversation does for a lot of people and I'm not saying and this is the thing and that's what it's going to take

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like I think for progression like the reality is that you might have to have to be a little bit uncomfortable and say yeah you know what I don't have all the answers and this is my problem with Reddit and shit like that is everyone's going out like I'm coming on being like I actually don't know and I feel like this conversation even more people will say yeah this but this person's this or that or that unlike bringing all these other things but I think that just at the core we in moments we will think a certain thing which is based on all of the experiences that we've had all of that stuff and so if we're trying to pave new ways if we're trying to develop as a society and try then I think that what we need to do is it's not about you know

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you know negative talk to you and saying it's really bad that you thinking that way and all that sort of thing but asking why

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yeah I find it just when I think it's just so different levels of the conversation because of the other thing the reason that that I think we can have this conversation is because there's a lot of people who will listen to me and think that I'm crazy and then it's like not true and there's people who might be able to understand what I'm saying Railey these a rare amount of say I'll say women in breakfast radio in Melbourne. majority of them I don't like listening to I don't find them entertaining and I don't find them funny. But that doesn't mean I don't find women. Funny. I was watching Netflix special last night and a female comedian was fucking hilarious. And I'm not looking at these women. And I'm not saying it's because they're women that I don't find them entertaining. PJ the girl the New Zealand girl on kisses. I really like a vibe or energy. So that's where I go. Is that how I am? I Am I bad? Like I don't. I don't like favor. And Fifi. You're not a fan of the show. Not that they bad people. I don't like listening to this show. fav he's a bloke aren't gonna be annoyed that Hayden. It's Barney. The best thing that I love you bro. No. But seriously, it's like, but then it's a matter of

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time. So

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yeah. So this is the thing. It's a matter of taste. Like, I enjoy listening to that show. There's, there's, you know, breaks that like in segments and stuff I do that I really enjoy. I think that it's

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Yeah, it's a it's a hard one. Right? There's all of this is so personal. Exactly. And

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that's where it's like, will will Fifi be offended that I don't like listen to a show. I hope not. Because it's not about you as a person. It's it's about it's like format. It's about I lightly seem to the Triple J Breakfast Show the two dudes in a that Brooke bony? Who's the News Radio. She's awesome. Yeah. Educated

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cheese. Funny. You know, I feel like this, then that vibe that like there's a lot of uneducated and funny women. Well, she's her role if it is in that show. Yeah. And that's the problem, right? We're actually talking about constructed environments where roles are actually really important to survive in the landscape. And yeah, so I don't know. I I I this conversation you said, I'd like to talking about, I think more about it than ever. Yeah, I think you think about it, but I think that's definitely and the thing is that if this is the first podcast you're listening to, of ours, it's probably not the best one. Because hopefully, the reason that I feel comfortable having these conversations is that you've heard us long enough that potentially what I'm hoping is that people email us hype, the daily talk, show calm and tell us like, what you're thinking and what and because maybe, maybe, you know, like, I think that there's bits and pieces from all of this. I know that I'm 100% non expert, you're not an expert. But what we're trying to describe is, this is how we feel. And it's also not like, I think what annoys me too is it's sort of like

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this idea that by supporting women

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that there's some form of

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you know what the word is best sort of like trying to be the hero hero it's like man that's a easy to like it Look at you like trying to get some sort of brownie points or some shit like that. Which bothers me as well. Because I feel like it's more about these feels like the right thing. Like, I'm trying to think about what's wrong and right. And yeah, I don't know like a hopefully, you know, with where podcasting is going, where all this online media is going. It is going to allow people have, you know, different races, ideas, thoughts, humor, to find their audience and their voice because they're not being told to fit a certain role. Yeah, and

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if there's a company out there that is telling people to do that, and shut up and stop sweet like, Fuck that. Yeah, they're not people who you want to work with. If, if you're feeling like you are being

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put into a box. Yeah, they I mean, there is a lot of

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blind, but it's like there. There's a lot of responsibility on these big media outlets. There's Have you have you heard recently about how that we're going to?

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I'll see if you've heard the headline, if you could tell it back to me. Even if you haven't read it about the Thomas the Tank Engine? No, nothing around the gender of the Yeah. What? Like, what if, you know, you're only just yeah, I have no, I didn't know. But I just get this there is the heavy just to summarize what you've heard of, because it's been in the news right

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now. No, I mean, my guess is just that Thomas could be a chameleon

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they wanting to neutralize and remove the agendas or this is what I took from the headline and stuff, removing the agendas of the characters in Thomas the Train Thomas the Tank Engine series, or whatever it is right engine bodies, and God loves it. He loves these little tribes. And so the headlines were when I remove they're going to be removed from stores, you know, agenda is going to be neutralized and all this stuff. And I was just seeing it from afar. And I saw this post by this guy who seems really interesting, Tom to new key. Well, because the thing about this though, and it's like the female line to reading something,

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yeah, but you got the feet. It's like the female crossing signs. You know how they changed it from male like, they did a Melbourne to me, some of the ass is almost this, like, reverse propaganda, which is like, that's what people latch on to. It's like, they cry they wanting to change Thomas's name. Well, the thing is, to be honest, I don't know whether that's the thing that's going to be what changes I think that like, we focus on that we talk about, like, those trivial things, rather than these, like much bigger things, which is like, rather than focusing on that, how about line we think about, but

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what you've just said is that it's a the media outlet, grabbing it that headline to and sharing that part of the story. So this guy, and this was posted by my, the guy that I worked with, in radio up in shepherd, and he was my program director. Yeah. He's bald. But he's not. One of the guys that was pigeonholing women is he was great

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he came to get hit with a the one at our live ship

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yeah he was at the live show and lovely guy anyway he posted this and it's a guy named Tom to new key Melbourne dude quite controversial in some respects I watch some of these content I couldn't see I couldn't quite find where he sat in his views actually just on all of this other way to say still

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one one thing that just hits me too is it's just like what do you think of when you think of a content director what and maybe part of the problem is that we think of this like bold dude like you know if we want actual change maybe why would God hey we need we need people who are directing the you know if you're saying that it's created you know these things are sort of plucked out and sort of created manufacturing manufactured then maybe those manufacturers shouldn't all be dudes Hmm Maybe there's too many dudes doing the manufacturing yeah

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I mean there is some powerful females in Writer the head yeah awesome and I don't know maybe it is maybe so this guy Tom right Welcome to my page where every week I calmly explain to you why you a para para idiot for having frost about the latest PC gone mad Murdoch. Article Murdoch is what does he own Daily Mail The Daily Telegraph

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I've got a whole book on me on Medallia it's really embarrassing I don't know this stuff okay he's like Herald Sun and stuff isn't no

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no he's a media tycoon is yeah

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Be sure

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what just happened there is going to ride a lot of people that we don't know this basic information

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yeah I'm pretty sure he owns the Daily Telegraph and

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you seem to think that Thomas the Tank Engine is getting banned from libraries because the government wants to make your son into a daughter okay decade let's talk the Australian National University report recommends that libraries look at avoiding segregating kids into gender stereotypical activities I don't force the little boys to play GI Joe and the little girls to play Bobby give them choice allow their identity to develop without us bullying them in the direction our shitty subconscious thinks is best Thomas the tank is not getting banned because he's a hey no no one recommended that city of Melbourne even confirmed it's not happening in case you're wondering the Herald Sun made it up it's the kind of speculative hysteria what's next banning Christmas that means they aren't technically responsible for your blind outrage but they still benefit from it see you were all hyperventilating last week about Dane costumes nappy changing consent issue remember something that's another story because you're a neurotic and easy to manipulate into winching they knew you were particularly sensitive to PC gone mad flavored stories at the moment so they dug around for a recent gender studies report skewed it it's possible consequences to make it sound outrageous to me to monkeys like you and then published a bit of clickbait that draws more hits to their page stimulates their Facebook rage and boosts newspaper sales to the next day. Then reactions like Mike Bernardi and correlate them get to loop in on the issue like dogs on hate humping away and pretending they're also angry for the money they they to benefit from your scalability with increased Facebook rich, nothing's getting banned. Relax. See you next time. Yeah, I

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think that like the and that's what I was talking about. Part of the problem being is that we jump on to all these things. And it's sort of it's an it's preface with this idea of like, this is probably this is moving us forward. But it's actually a way for the people who try to slow us down to paralyze us through these dumb ideas.

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Yeah, I mean, the thing I, we feel uncomfortable talking about this, because we're not like, for one we're not experts and to we both realize that we don't know like, what, like the right thing to say is, so there's probably like, hopefully, we can use these microphones as a way of identifying some of our issues and our thinking, I mean, that statement there, it's not as bad the right thing to say is like you, we are all making calculations about what the right thing is to say. Because there's no, no, I think what you're implying, is that right needs to be politically correct. And I say in regards to ride, right, it's not necessarily pay c ry, she's, you know, I guess we all have, yeah, I guess I can stand stronger, because what I'm doing is I've got my ethics or my morals or my values or whatever you want to call it, my value system, and I'm putting all of these issues through that value system. But that's right for you. And I wasn't making

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led the correct because for some person who is trying to be politically correct, that's what I mean. But everyone's right, is their internal feeling of the matter. And that right might be someone who doesn't like some female radio person, and they're saying that and then they're getting beaten down, but they'll learn from it. I think that's the thing and this is we're not trying obviously, we haven't pushed out either. There's no one agenda. We're pushing with this on one right way of looking at it. It's like this is a conversation and it's helped me hanging around you.

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Yeah, I found a book that mom gave to us to bring an eye what you was it like mom owns this book. I wonder how legit it is. But it's the shades of gray JC it's a why men don't listen and women can't read maps beyond leaving the toilet seat up just pretty funny. So

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yeah, I think like it's it's a by what's this personal about a man a man and a woman Ellen and Barbara

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is a writer. Do you know we should get I've got some an interesting client my slacks going crazy. I've got an interesting client or Bree Bree is sold the fridge guys

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yesterday. Sorry. It's also markets. 700 not bad. Okay. I wanted to 11 Yeah, no, we wanted nine nine. But

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you know, it's, you know, who we should get on one of my clients. He is a doctor in gender and diversity. She's got it like a doctorate in that all sort of thing. So she is doing it some great work with a few development agencies at the moment around like, it's gone over for a number of years around women in different cultures. So things like

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there's all this stuff I'm learning, like in the Solomon Islands, and paying G and Fiji that they're doing all of these things to try and help

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women in their communities. And one of the things I talk about is, there's all these informal jobs that women do that don't necessarily pay. So like I'm sitting out the flowers in church, or doing like, preparing things and all of this stuff, which is like,

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yeah, which which is unpaid for, which is I think they sort of trying to talk about the fact that, you know, you know, these men will come home and be like, Where's dinner? Why isn't it served and being like, hey, maybe you should actually be doing stuff around the house too, because although women aren't having these full time jobs, they're actually doing all of this other stuff which is just what society says we don't pay for which just so happens to be the jobs that women tend to do as well

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I think yeah, we should definitely get and Marie Yeah, this client on because she's hilarious to a bit of a loose unit. Yeah, I think we love We love alone. You know, every talkshow everyone. Thanks for listening. Bit of a different one. Let us know what you think. And this is the interesting thing of having more guests on to because I feel like having different guests on with varying opinions will be able to add a new level to to what we're doing as well. It's another perspective, opinion or thought of viewpoint. Yeah, it's high at the daily talk. show.com is the email address. We do have a p o box two. Which is p o box 400. Abbotsford. Victoria razor. I six seven. Enjoy. What man This was a Friday. What a what a strong Friday fun.

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Have a good weekend guys.

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