#616 – Collaboration With Peter Shepherd & Scooter Derek/
- February 22, 2020
Peter Shepherd and Scooter Derek join us for Weekend Banter to chat about the first The Long and The Short Of It Learning Lab, Zoom, Scooter Derek’s latest project, and effectively formulating your ideas.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– The Long and The Short Of It Learning Lab
– Zoom Rooms
– Scooter Derek’s project
– Writing and articulating your idea
– Winning ugly
– Status and being the godfather in an industry
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 606 days in Banta we got the ground extruders Derek?
shepherd. Big pay.
Did you forget his name? Absolutely. No, no, I was trying to go to which nickname we call you. Yeah. Finish up. It's just you know,
yeah. Told gronk told gronk on gronk.
Holly, she was big foot.
This morning. I am I was on a zoom call. first ever. Yeah. first ever zoom call where there was more than one person was great. So, JJ in the morning.
Yeah. context. I mean, I wasn't there. But I saw the who posted was that you paid? Did you post a photo of all the little faces? Are you part of the long and the short of it?
I shared it in our Facebook group so that how many people were in there and what wasn't? We had a what we're calling a Learning Lab. So once a month we're going to do this learning lab where we take one of the episodes and turn it in A one hour workshop essentially, in the interest of turning listening into learning, that's kind of the tagline. And so we beta tested it today with the the closed Facebook group that we have. We had 50 odd sign up 35 ish showed up. And about three or four had tech difficulties, which is always to be expected so we end up with that 30
so like a bright it's like The Brady Bunch you love it screwed because you've got like a screen and you see everyone it's like you've got security cameras for like 30 people's
houses pretty cool. And they've got people from all corners of the world. So we had Scotland we had England we had obviously
was a people business of the long the short of it. Do they have to have some particular tech?
That camera? Yeah, basically a URL. That's software. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like Skype, but it works.
Yes, it works very
well. What do we hear a radio ad for zoom? Yeah,
they really they're pushing hard at the moment. I've got an Australian team do you know
not sure but the origin story is pretty cool. It's this Chinese guy was in a long distance relationship. And he got sick of the fact that Scott never worked properly. So he just built his own tech.
Since the relationship has gotten
and apply boy was facetiming another chip.
And and how was the experience like for you? The person running the workshop
was really cool. So we like this is the sort of thing that Jen and I both do in separate context, quite a lot of and as individuals. So it was the first well the second time we have done it together. And so we've both known that it works as that structure in that format as individuals. But it was the first time we took our listeners and worked with each other to build this thing. So it was like, Is it gonna work? And I think it did. Really cool. So we're gonna try to warm up.
It's great. It's good that you've been wanting to do it. So back to the next one. Yeah, yeah. How's the studio stuff going?
It's going great. I've been thinking about hearing at the Zoom Room on my I'll show you what you mean. Zoom Room like you're in. Yeah, yeah. And what's the Zoom Room? Well, I don't know there's
also this zoom right like a zoom rooms like the hot Are you getting excited about the hardware like you get like the camera and the competitor installing me in a corporate? Yeah.
This room might you might make it a Zoom Room raw. Exactly what it means. Is the Skype Room.
Yes. Oh, yeah. I was filming it seek yesterday. Someone was giving a keynote there at Lisa Stephenson. And we had a couple of cameras on her. But they actually broadcasted out through zoom for the whole of the business around Australia. And I was like, Where's the camera? And then all of a sudden up in the corner that one of the cameras that you have like those things and then it's broadcast down the audio goes in I think that's like a Zoom Room. Well,
this is why we want the big high sense TV upstairs.
Yeah, we need it better because we need it to be as
well. Yeah, like we could. The Zoom Room is essentially just the TV and the camera and stuff. Yeah.
So for me my Zoom Room was like my study
Yeah, my apartment when you were just thinking about what you're going to wear or you just wore what you were already
standard from nature but like a black T because you can't really say from beyond the waist down so was it a thought
splatty always consistent. No, it was all good whatever he said this is the sort of thing we do all the time was just different context different people. So it was fun
anyone doing dating, on zoom?
speed dating. So what happened only saves look at that night.
So definitely with So the great thing about it is, is that just random the way that creates room. So
there's a couple of ways you can do it. You can say create these breakout rooms where you split people into like groups of three. And so you can click and drag people around and like sort of selected while you do that, click randomise I clicked randomise.
And so I so basically, people with some of the questions you asked, we asked a question like what's something you love about the project you working on at the moment, and then you press you press the button and we go out into breakout rooms and so everyone disappears. They go into theirs and then you're with two other people.
Chat Roulette with Yeah. guidance. Yeah. And let's stick.
Yeah, no dicks.
12 separate breakout rooms. Yeah. And then we can broadcast a message to him run. And then after six minutes, we'd pull it around back.
Do you know about it? So did you realise Josh that you're about to be sucked out of that room at six minutes?
You so it gives the time and interestingly, we had one person that was on the phone, and she was having a little bit of technical difficulty. I wouldn't recommend the phone. I think it's good to having the your face so you can be talking properly. It's good for the dynamics. But because there was only me and I had a lady named Abby from the UK, we finished up quicker. And so we exited the room and interject and will apparently agenda and people laughing because we're the first ones to sort of enter into the common area, which sort of implied that we want having great banter. And so then I can say all day, it was great. It was great and Abby and I decided that the next time around, we'll just wait it out until we're forced into the room to say that people thought we'll have a really good banter, but we just sat there. Just
counting it down. So thanks for coming. That was really good fun. Yeah,
I loved it. Yeah. But I think security you should definitely Yeah. All I this is a
future show today we talked about I think it might have been one of the episodes I've been on around like creating virtual conferences, essentially, when at the moment, you think about running a conference, the time the cost the energy to get thousands of people from around the world into the one place where you can just have a URL and just click a button and like everyone's there.
Is there a marketplace for workshops? I can imagine zoom, having a website where you can go through and find different zoom rooms and sign up. That'd be cool. Like sevens. Have you found any dating?
Yeah, fan to the two of them ones on meetup.com. It gives you a little link. And then the other one is it looks like it's it's expired. But um, it's a virtual online speed dating Meetup group. Would you
do the first one that's still around sips is a bit of a test.
you can't say now it was yesterday
I don't know what's happened when you add Laney
definitely not just
in Minneapolis you free wide so you can say if you want zoom
is it not on zoom?
No, it is on zoom it just this location Minneapolis.
That's okay. Yeah.
Because that's the whole point.
It could be interesting like a there is something confronting about having, you know, 30 odd people that you don't know. And everyone's muting and breeze trying to have a shower at the same time and use the hair dryer. And so she was sort of timing that around when I was unamusing.
Yeah, you're actually talking at a real conference, like a real life conference this weekend. Hey, on
Sunday, yeah. Sunday. I was gonna say this tomorrow.
Well, it is. Yeah,
yeah, you project conference. And so, I mean, that's where you've got real people in front of you. Is there any like, are we gonna lose the Do you think that doing more digital stuff means When you walk into a room of people you shoot yourself even more based on, or is it the similar muscle?
Yeah, I don't know. It's good question. Not me personally. But I wonder if people might I mean, it's sort of the same concept, I guess, as people talk about the way we interact through social media and stuff. Now, the younger generation, and then they can't have a conversation face to face. So maybe, but I think it's a similar muscle. And in fact, I actually think that resume requires more of a flex in the sense that you have to listen. Because, like, it's so obvious when someone is disengaged, and it's so obvious when they're on their phone because you're just like this tiny square, or this really large square. And so like you were saying, this morning, if someone's completely disengage, it's really obvious and really rude. As opposed to having coffee with someone they're on their phone, you just call like,
that's what people do. Definitely say anyone on the phone.
No, but the thing is, you are really looking around. I didn't realise this like a grid mode. So initially, I was in the speaker mode, where you see Pete or whoever's talking, they just say a few people at the bottom, almost like a Google Hangout. And then there's the great mode where is where it looks like the Brady Bunch. But, and everyone's like looking at each other and so present trying to listen to what's happening. And the but I think one of the hard thing is as a speaker like I'm listening for laughs like I'm always trying to get a laugh. But everyone's mics on mute. Yeah. And so you don't hear the lot You don't hear anything so you get no feeling I get no like ordinary
people are laughing Well, that's why I'm very animated on zoom because like, I feel like people look for body language and so if someone says something funny, I like throw my head
off anyway, but I think people appreciate it because they can get the visual cues.
Yes, wrong with pace. Yeah.
He actually got us to dance for the start. He's that guy.
Oh, he ran across the Zoom Room. He also said let's do a happy dance.
Okay, let's be clear
about that. Okay, so you do the boy you're comfortable with us and go to walk around the room? Yeah, just jump across the room five times. You gotta get up. embrace all that fuck is just praise trying to get ready. I was curious whether you thought you'd be the guy that just sat there like this.
LinkedIn I learned today was something that I yeah, everything I was doing for you
it's great for the framing because it's you're you're in there the whole
time. You're in the bug.
Mexican wife in the Zoom Room. Try that next time.
Yeah, like that.
Everyone to put it into grid mode. Yeah, person at the top left.
Thing is everyone's grits different. Yeah.
I didn't realise that was my question. Yeah, the same green. Oh,
it's so it's like, I think it's based on who appears in the room first, and then it's based on when people start talking. They get like, bumped up the green light. So it's
slightly different for me. I was like, near the top of the grade for me anyway. And it does create this weird sort of power dynamic that I had to read. Readjust from my I'm just a big top dog. There was Jen may then paint not in my visual thing. I'm like, this isn't real like this is being spun to me, but I bet you're on everyone else's.
Yeah. So everyone's at the top similar in their own. Usually you're in the top one. That's right. Yeah, that's great gives you a bit of a
dynamic thing. There's an interesting concept. I think that when everyone's the same size, based on the Brady Bunch view, it actually takes away the power dynamic of like, I'm the big dog in the boardroom
sitting at the top end of the table. Unless you're on page two. Yeah. You're on page to speak.
It Easy to page one. Okay. Yeah.
Do you actually hold though? Like,
Oh, great. Well, what do you do you control who talks he was saying they're on mute? So do you unmute them when you want them to talk
that people can unmute themselves? So you invite people to say okay, we have five minutes if you want to hop off me You can ask a question please do so now. And or we can take people on and off me as an admin because sometimes there's like a dog barking in the background and you
meet that and it's not always going to be respectful audience like the Pete Shepard gang.
Yeah, I mean, my audience is pretty respectful. Yeah. But
it could be
Imagine a girl can you imagine we think we should do it?
Yeah, we could do that Sunday night or something for the book club I thought it was a good one for that episode
yeah put them all there that's a great idea yeah we could get this feed audio into it could you somehow get that into zoom?
Yeah we can't hear anyone that's all right what what do you mean Can he was sorry they can't
mix minus there's a little headphone in a poor way to do it you know, airport. Now let me do me good. Can we get a live coaching session with you and screwed Derek scooter Derek being the client Pete Shepard doing some characters you want that you've been saying is really that you want he wants to have
Yeah, haha. I'm up for milking all the talent you have on your show to sort my life.
And so you want the historical facts?
One for One.
Right, right. Just remember you.
Yes, I was coaching Question for one historical fact about calling the Richmond area
Yeah. So you've just you've just you've would this be most of your coaching through zoom? Or would it be 95% even with clients have in Australia I prefer zoom because they don't have to leave their office or room and either do I just makes it easier? less friction. Now I get that. Okay, so I'm Feel free to finish it here between
security What are you working on?
current project is apart from putting air conditioner in Studio One is building a new studio. Okay, essentially a Zoom Room. Yeah, yeah. What does it look like? Well, it's, it's the moment it looks like an empty warehouse. And it's going to be awesome. Big table. That'll be like a panel type. Like elliptical. I thinking. I haven't told Josh yet. But I'm thinking of going like American football shape. We get obsessed with desk shapes. I mean, you know what? I actually entered my mind yesterday wading through plectrum, too hot, too hot, but American football so that you can use it as a five, minimum five person with an audience
the American football just a rectangle or is it got a rectangle?
AFL football, like field is an oval. But American football is a rectangle, but you're talking about the actual box
itself. So, so you can have a live audience controlled live audience of 30 to 40 people.
What's an uncontrolled live audience, by the way,
is when you say, Yeah, come on in anybody controlling it is you're saying, like let's say you're a comedian and you just want to do a podcast. If you need some audience reaction. you contact the people on your list to get the biggest Eagle is in
course a building a new studio,
building a new studio and still going through ideas. All right, and what is about the keys yesterday?
Okay, that's exciting. So what does success look like for the studio? What's the idea behind it?
I reckon the way I the way I always work if it's a clever or not is, is have a have a dream goal but work out the steps to try and get there within my bed management style. So right now I got the current studio I'm running you know that the steps would be to make it a multi use room and rented out to people same as I did with my with my podcast studio. And eventually I'd like to have it as a yet to operate it as a like as a Zoom Room. Right? So the zoom is that
Zoom Room before tonight
because if your whole strategies become the strategy
So I don't so what I mean is
it's gotten serious I was live
a lot Skype Room, zoom, Google Hangout,
a live streaming room. That's that's how I liked it. That's the big goal. That's
the big thing you mentioned the small first step was the
just get some people to bloody rented out, like shooting videos. So it's gonna have, you know, multi roles that you can roll down for different backgrounds and green screen and all that. I've been pushing everyone including Josh, everyone that comes near in any kind of entertainment gets pushed in there and what do you think?
Is it for 40 people? Can it fit 40 people in there? just did some math.
Get a light ago make it legal. But
that's true. Like most things like that you had was that if a legal associate
that was illegal, yes. If so what were you started it wasn't illegal because no one for any drinks cool
so I mean it all sounds good but where are you stuck? I'm not
what's the Hydros and I'm on top of the world so what's the hotspot 53 no super still gotta pay the mortgage and come up with some money everybody
it's pretty much
the same show
you know this is the one you gave to be know what happened to your
Thank you appreciate it.
Well that's good that you're not stuck annoying for a
question. So yeah, it's always bullshit answer right? Yeah.
Oh, he's toxic masculinity.
Or the signal was that he said he's got no super tackled lock kills, almost cry. etheral asked the second question I think
I think these type session should end with you writing a check
my super should be
that the big where I'll be stuck you where I'm stuck is I can't I can't do that business thing when I see young people just getting funding doing stuff. Who are these people that you guys are pretty good when you guys are terrible for different reasons you're not in that that getting fun you work hard for your funding, right? But I just see you see people can get funding they can have an idea. Like the bike the bicycle, a bike company, they're in the back of my building. They sublet off me and they they you know that they just young folk who went here's our idea, let's get some money. So where's the money from? I'm stuck because I can't collaborate. And I want to
so as a collaborating or
Before we can answer
Why can't you collaborate? But I don't know where the money is? Whose question? Sorry?
Are we gonna be all right? Because I do have some other business going on. And it, you know, with the with the advising with some schools and some technical work, right. And there's a few quotes out there. So it could I could be I could self fund the whole project, okay. It may be that if I don't, then I'm stuck with this room. I'm gonna have to rent it out as a yoga studio.
What do you like? What do you actually want, like from a collaboration point of view? I think that part of the right like we would collaborate more, but it's you You're still trying to figure out what you want that fair.
So, remember, last time, we were talking about how you said but you have collaborated, you can Right with Danny on your shock. So we do a podcast I started the podcast I produce it edited the graphic and everything and Danny's on the show and does you know you only just started calling him Danny dad used to call him Danny in the 80s. So Dan
and I remember when I told
away from our historical facts
tell I did I told you this.
I when we decided to collab and I hadn't done this. I remember that feeling of ringing ringing him up saying Danny I'm really sorry. I just made an arbitrary decision. And and I'm accustomed to ever having to talk to anyone about that probably why I'm in trouble with my wife. Because that is a collab I guess, but just confirming it is. But yeah, there was that moment when I realised I just decided to go and, you know, try out some advertising thing and put the money He's like, okay, don't don't worry about it. I'll give you half the money away. That's the good side of collabing someone else is wearing the, the stress and stuff like that. So I learned from that, that is lovely to have someone else who cares, involved in something really nice.
And so why don't you do more of a jealous of you too?
Well, but you can do it your way. collabing right to stop bickering
and then yeah.
But what's it like? If you were to do more colour? collabing? What would that look like? I know, it's not my natural thing. So is it not natural? Because you can't rely on people?
I don't know. I guess if I look at the idea I've got for this at the studio to and I go, all right. What do I need off someone else? Someone who's keen who wants to get into it? Is it someone who's gonna muck in and build or someone just forked out some cash? Like what? What do I want out of someone?
Yeah, what's up like what's clever? I
gotta make it three. times better
Yeah, what's what's what's a full fee? Why why collaborator?
How does that feel? Feels good. I just want to do something that is a collab, you know?
I've been loving it. Yeah, but I don't know just
zoom or Zoom Room in a collab room. So like, I find the collab thing interesting because I get it, because it but it's very hard to collaborate with someone, you need to do a lot of work internally in understanding what you want. But also, like, you can't change your idea, I can't. When you're doing it on your own, you can just go from one area to the other. You can like be extremes and just do whatever you want. When you're collaborating with someone. Everything like the biggest amount of tension I have is the annoyance of like 100 explain myself, which I normally don't have to explain myself, but that's a good thing to go through. Is that part of it is if you asked for money, what are people going to ask you
When you, if someone if someone says, or I'll be in that I've got dough, and no talent, then you kind of go. Let's leave that to the last minute and see if I can get through it because you're not going to provide anything since taking half the the profit, I guess. And then you think well, is half the profit of something that's done properly and invested in properly? It's going to be more should be more than double. You know what I mean? So it should help when I had the bar. That was the last time I was in, like the only time I was in a business with someone who's in business, the two other guys and they couldn't get along. Because I had completely different dreams. That was a complete disaster. And maybe that was,
what were the different dreams.
Well, one of my business partners was
he wanted he wanted the bar to be like St. Jude. He wanted to be a wine but he wanted to be the kind of bar that he would go to and just be really proud of, but that would have required us all to check in. 50 grand each and none of us had any money. So it was that so number one your dream fuck it off for another day, but and the other the other business partner rest his soul. He's gone now. But he was he liked the idea of just having a bar and serving Captain draft and being rude to people that wanted to coffee and you know that old school because it came from that old vibe. What did you want? Well, I was kind of in the middle. I want to personality I wanted to, you know, to make the place where everyone was happy which case that favoured the captain draft guy. And they couldn't get along because it was like, well, we couldn't run this bar without them without Andrew, right? Being manager every day and paid or whatever, you know, just as a shareholder. Yeah. And turning up every single day because we can't afford to pay anyway, in the end. It kind of worked out like Andrew and I ended up right well, let's buy it. Let's buy Dave out. Right? You know, it's not going to work he's unhappy. We bought him out for virtually nothing, and released him and then and then sold the business. I
feel like we're getting closer to your definition of success.
So there's a question that I think
JJ answered really well, this morning in the workshop that we ran, that I'd be curious for your thoughts on. So I just transferred you $10 million. Now you have no excuse around time and money. You're living in a world with no constraints. What are you gonna do
tomorrow or in the next few weeks? So what are you going to do with your time once you buy your holiday house and once you've got the material stove original, sweaty and do with
the time Yeah.
Yeah, I think I would.
Probably, it feels like I would run with the same plant. That's good, but in a building that I owned,
and, obviously, much better, but I don't know if I can only even own a building, can you make it 20 mil?
And said, there's no mention of collaborators in that vision of the future. So I wonder if there's something there around you being attached to this idea of a collaboration, when you're not actually clear in that,
whether that's what
you're seeking. But just because we get to watch Tommy Joshua, it looks cool. Yeah.
Well, they are that is, surely that would put me straight into another
mind bending situation where you go, if someone wanted to collaborate with you, after they knew you had $20 million. Yeah, right. Even though you'd already spent six on a warehouse. Then you'd start with that kind of gold digger of feel and you go, I don't know how my mind would go from there. We'll never know. Yeah, but I definitely would there be people around? This is not my dream would not be to be in a warehouse, tinkering with all my millions and making it perfect. Then I would I guess it ends up being stuff, doesn't it?
Well, yeah. So there's a different effects way, when you got, well, this is what we've been talking about the difference between employees and having a partnership. They're very different employees, I can tell 97 Hey, I think we should do this. And he can push back up a little bit, but at the end of the day, he does what we think we should do. Yeah. Tommy and I it's like, okay, no, like, we bring to sell it into each other, we have to justify it. And so there's a big difference between having staff, having people come in and use your space versus having a partner I think, do you think that you could, are you seeking a partner Are you seeking that employ a team that can execute on a dictatorship?
It just feels like a bit much to have to at this stage of life to have to be, especially if I was rolling with a multimillion dollar business then It would be a bit much to then have to be an expert at accounting, an expert at cinematography and expert at audio. You just have to load people in, you have a team that takes have a team and then learn off them. Love that, that that idea learning off your staff.
That's I think,
back in the in the 90s. I had a manufacturing business and I'd learned all my blacksmithing skills off my staff.
There is a fair point though, I guess the question is like, can you collaborate with an employee?
I think you can.
Yeah. Well, I think that that's the whole co creation exciting, right, but that's the new I joke about the dictatorship because it's very much like when we're working with 97 He is giving us the he's telling us this is how I think we should do it. Yeah. But it is that there's definitely a difference in the the different dynamics totally. And what did you find scooter, having staff You're a bit burned by that, like, do you think that all these sort of experiences play into where you are now?
Or can the one of the biggest mistakes you can make is making a vow? I'm failing never to do this or never to do that.
Yeah, I made my vows. You know,
my marriage vows On a side note, we included the line and I will pay the bill for this wedding at the at the, at the office. Right? Because we got married in a registry office in Paisley, Scotland, nice. It's kind of a little bit
like a contract as well.
And they just I just run through the vows and I got to the end of it really is I will say say oh, I might bill. Yeah.
Is it like a verbal contract? I got you to write that
guess it was.
So you read it without realising that's what you're reading. Just read
your mind for writing.
Felt like a real mentor, I feel like
you had a good point back there before your vows, which was like you need to be able to give yourself permission to change your mind.
That's how I interpret what you're saying. Which I think is really important.
Yeah, cool. And so what's next?
Just roll on, just roll on
it because that's what I find interesting is like meetings or conversations can have a lot of conversations. But if there's no clear defined action, yeah, you end up having the same fucking conversation again in a week or two weeks. Is there is there a stage within your coaching sessions where you define it?
You I think at the end of our coaching session, or like a conversation like we had this morning, that group session, it's like, what are you going to commit to me if it's one on one? Or what are you going to commit to the groups are doing in the next 24 hours? Or what are you gonna commit to doing in the next week? What are you gonna commit to doing next month like you can pick a time frame and having them say that out loud or write it down and then holding them to that?
What about for you? scooter? Have you ever written down like for this new studio to have you guys written down what this looks like, what it's going to be where you want it to be. Because you give us a version and incorporate things like Zoom Room and shit that we've just sit like, that's why Josh is saying, you know, okay, turn zoom, right? No.
Big deal what he
told me all about zoom and
yes, I would I would start with a bit of paper, right? What's it for? Who's it for what a success look like? And just
answer those three questions. Because then it's out of your head.
Because I think we do a great job of internally thinking where across what we want to be doing, yeah, for the future. But until we having to tell a business partner or tell your wife or tell, you know, anybody, like talk about on this, I mean, I'm, I'm not no good at it. As much as the next person is, I think it's like,
what's the biggest amount of friction or tension within our businesses, which is, like I said, so good. You can have this thought. But how do you commit to it, but the commit Tory's putting it into the page because then it's like, then you can also externalise it from you. And you can look at it in a different way. So when it's in your head, you are connecting dots, you're synthesising, and it's getting stronger. Every time you mention it, every time you talk about it is getting stronger. Yeah. And it just, it works tenfold when you've written it down. Because then that's when you can start to edit. And that's when you can start to also
make it less about identity and anxiety and all the other things that drive us and makes it more about the plan, which is entrepreneurs, creating a startup have the one line of their business, like that kind of school of startups that part of it I like which is super clear on what your business is the the thing it saw the problem solves and where are you going? I think the
two of the most underrated things that we can do, which we're sort of talking about now is one
I've heard you talk about before Like thinking he's writing or writing, he's thinking you actually realised you're not writing down what's in your head. But when you're writing, you're actually starting to think about it more. So I would say that's one and the other is talking about things out loud, which I think is why so many people get value out of a coach, because it's talking about your thoughts out loud and actually saying things out loud that you've thought about, but you haven't articulated.
That makes a lot of sense. Because what I do do what I've been saying, pushing everyone into that room, sitting here going on about it, yeah, it's sort of partly backing myself into a corner. making myself believe in it, and really that I can do it. It's pretty expensive. paying the rent in there, just while I make it up. Yeah, this is definitely the more I say, the more devolves what it's going to be like today. Zoom Room was added to the whole thing. Yeah. Whereas I had intentions of doing it but not going on about it. But something funny happened before I was doing a bit of a console, just about an hour ago.
Funny day Sunday to do it better. Anyway,
let's get it right. Sunday pizza these fucking talk. Sunday we got my mom and dad.
Anyway. Oh, so I was doing a bit of a console and it made me objectively look at my studio one, which is eclectic. It's not.
it's kind of like it it's clean. It's got a brand new icon as the
icon dying by the way it's got split system
splits inside Mitsubishi silent way got me moving in the studio.
Graham we didn't know
it was on the link to grant
McDonald what hurts when you rent is when they say the units 1000 the installations to Yeah, because the installation is building. It's not your buildings hurts. Anyway stood there. And I was I'd be telling the client about The next next studio and they're stood their mind, we're talking about mic stands and setups and stuff like that. And then I had that that moment, when I probably thought, right, I have to design that room. Because otherwise it's just going to be me putting things in here. Leftover equipment. Yeah, it's just going to build up and I'm going to put everything in there before I've done the floor that I want and all that sort of thing. So that was a kind of epiphany.
I won't have that cohesion. The interesting thing I recommend idea is like a rock and the end of the day you want it to get to a pebble. And so by having the constant friction of speaking about it, writing it out, editing it is starting to slowly smooth it out. And I think that you do one of it really well which is the speaking and it's the same with me. I'm constantly talking about it, which is doing that. But then it feels like that final polish is the the written down.
You made a pebble that the same size as the ocean Little Rock. Was that your metaphor? I was a big that was a rock. And by the end of the day it's this little tiny
shop and broken piece of glass goes into this. Just rocks. Not necessarily what is a pebble Simpson?
Yeah, just Hybels I just assumed this is my understanding pebbles. a pebble is is for hundreds of years have been keys by the water and all the different sort of things to get to a very smooth, almost like a dog dango dango dango is actually thinking about that well speaking about you know, yeah, I didn't want to bring up the door dango
no idea what a
broken piece of glass that then starts to be in the water in the sea and starts to soften and form sort of like a nice edges. Yeah, that's how when you find a piece of glass that's been in the ocean. It's exactly what you're saying. It's it's been Washington sort of eroded around the edges.
Okay, so the dark dango is a is a Japanese it's a, it's basically mine both
smooth and smooth, smooth, smooth out and it looks just like a ball. But there's a lot of Yeah,
shiny, yucky cool. So use glass basically to polish it. And so it starts off a bit rough and then over a long period of time you end up with these really nice smooth bowl. You can put it on like a stand or things like that.
Anyway, feels good. I think
you said something that is it just doesn't self destruct like does it the dangos is that the art of it making something that's like a Mandela, you know, Mandela. That's all they do that Mandela thing that takes weeks and weeks and it looks beautiful. And then the whole point is just sand on the floor. And it's not forever. dango uk
uk night. Yeah. So that was fun time or wherever.
But I think so what about this section of the wine? If naturally you go to talking about something? Yeah. The hardest thing is to write it down and actually, yeah, but there's people that get Success, whatever it is for them by doing the writing first and then talking because the talking is informed by the writing. And so there is both versions. And I think we naturally gravitate to the one that's easy, totally and easiest to talk about it. But it doesn't mean that you don't find success by just, it's like people who have not worked out there. They the business, but somehow they're making shitloads of cash. And so they haven't got their, you know, find marketing plan. And so it doesn't mean you can't find success
like cliffie cliffy cliff, he was a farmer he would know about cliffy Cliff Ian.
Yep. He ran with the gumboots on
Yeah, so Cliff young, a runner. A country boy, a farmer. Ran nice as he tells half half out
finally getting my historical facts.
So Cliff young, ran a huge distance in gumboots. Running one the
Melbourne ultra marathon in 1961.
please fold along. Yeah,
it's a boy shuffle, I would have thought that what he did want to show so he had some of the worst running technique that you can imagine anyone. And so what's the message tomorrow? So the message is that you can still win with horrendous, ugly, yeah, we neglect Yeah. So the question the question becomes Do you there is a balance some people will spend there there are people who are probably theorising around the perfect, run the perfect, you know, working out their cadence and all that sort of shit. Yeah, that's what you do with running, I don't know, pebbles or the others just getting out there and doing it. And so I think that that's a balance. I think you are like Cliff
What it Brad. Brent Are you don't want everyone just to fall over one
by default, basically. Yeah.
We persisted. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think the thing is saying he was in the grand final of the Olympics, the poor Guy. What?
Exactly all the training
exactly what See you on the way? Yeah, yeah. What's the you're just you're thinking that every studio potentially fails and then yours is no
one he was the reference that
any I get that but then you you're saying you have to be the best in the field because Cliff he was the best.
He actually was the best he won the race. Exactly. I'd rather be cliffy than Stephen bread. Yeah, but where's Cliff?
In the business?
Yeah, I think this is an interesting like to continue the metaphor of the story of cliffie is like you can win ugly and so many businesses and people when individuals do they focus on the short term of like, I'm going to win and make a million dollars as quick as possible. And then they completely fraud themselves and ruin the rest of their life. So I'm not saying that's happened to me, but I dare say that not having any technique is probably not a great idea.
I became a superstar.
Okay, well, if he did, I'll just stand out.
Can you look at who made that film? I think there was a document, a film made, I think it was Dan Murphy, director.
With that thinking you want the best. You want to win the race and be the best at what you're doing,
or this one? Yeah. What I do next?
I'm already the best at what I'm doing right now. So cheese field, but that I've always made a field that is so narrow.
Yeah. Do you think it's changing in in Victoria, but do you think that I can say that? The thing with podcasting and all this stuff is it's like, It encompasses so much. So it's like you think about it like mechanics. There's no corporates that are wanting to become mechanical. If you look at it. Now, podcasting is this universal thing. And so all these subcultures are a hit, you've got coaching, you've got corporate stuff, you've got artists, you've got all the Indies you got every different type. And it's funny because you see people you know, in their in their suits, rocking out To your eclectic studio, is that if you work out what your competitive advantage is, like, do you want to create the corporate Zoom Room? That's all white and that's corporately set corporate and safe or do you want to do your Do you want to continue to be the random dude that you are now? I think the floor of the corporate the corporate Zoom Room is the white political shield. That's the problem.
Yeah, the when I say Zoom Room, I mean the technical stuff that's in the
room. So you want to bring person is it bringing a personality like a theatre,
but the studio will not be like Studio One. It won't have record collection and Mexican wrestling mask.
It won't be just your rap because at the moment, it's like you're dead men. Well, I call it acoustic treatment.
I think you'll agree what is called reflect that.
Had bitties cliffie when wanna rice, the rice is very defined here to hear people doing the same thing as you. The thing about business, it's so varied, like what we're doing is unique. What you're doing is you said that, yeah, no one like no one's doing identically what you're doing. And so then it's like, if you are to be, that's what I think the definition of I want to be the best. I don't know. It's not clear
what there's another.
There's another thing and that's getting, if I'm not used to being in an industry that's contemporary, I'm on a custom pose a blacksmith, and I was a Vesper mechanic, right. So, I'm not accustomed to being on the cutting edge of what's happening in society, right. But having said that, there is a kind of a race against time to get to a point where you're the boss, you know, like where you're a senior in that, you know, like a legend in that field or whatever you would take that
An hour. The other thing is five years ago,
suddenly six people came from Italy and Germany everywhere and set up scooter workshops for vintage scooters. I would have been okay. If eight years ago they did, I wouldn't have been okay. Because I got into that, you know, that respected position where they go he's the old man of the of the industry knows what he's doing. I'll go to him and ask him questions. Stuff like that. I think that's going to help me is that sir my age? I'm not a 30 year old kind of gun entrepreneur.
So when you've decided to take the shift, and you move like this, does that, that status that you've built in that industry, what happens to it? It just goes away. It's lost and what does it What does it make you think about that status? Or that that game of getting to that position?
It lets you know, reminds me of what I've done when I was 28. I went lived in London and you really go into a complete different city on your own. And building friendships and work relationships and all this stuff was I think it was massive for my for all kinds of things psychologically, because you're getting that there's no historical friendships. There's no if you've built up a whole life, right there and then there's no one that you went to school with and they still being nice to you because your friends are there's no family, there's no one else. Yeah, two years later, you're going right? I really think that I'm okay. I'm not just carrying residual, people being kind to me or whatever, you know, if you had any lack of confidence, it goes away. If you do well, you know, some people just go miserable. Is that a rough time but, but that kind of thing where I've got that same feeling. I totally. It's really proud of what I've done in the scooter industry, and where I got to
I'm just walking away
Is there a cleaner what like it? Do you have a sense that you want to close that chapter?
closing the chapter is interesting and I'm not quite sure what to do because there's you can't find someone else to do it so I've got clients to say, but where am I supposed to go? And you either feel responsibility and I have said a couple of times look like the hundred bucks an hour you pay me to fix your scooter. I used to fix your scooter I didn't put it aside so that you don't mean for the next 10 years. You know like it I'm not responsible. What
is toxic masculinity? Are you drinking
that why and I did say at one time Yeah, the blows my husband still broken? No, but depending
on the latter, I can't talk right now.
What you're saying is you set your actually would you saying no to opportunity, as you saying no money so All saying no to income,
but also status thing. Do you think that so people felt that you owed them something potentially
people think well, you're if you're the only one that's doing it, they stopped doing people get upset with rationally whether they really are upset with you or just upset. That's another thing I'm trying to find. I'm the moment in the process of picking a few people that can do the work and discussing with them whether they'd be willing to do some school work and sort of busting it out the brand is that I can't save the brand.
Because pay your eyes show us talk about the clear kind thing like clear is kind you think you've been clear with the clients and the the industry shithouse
really feel guilty. And so because I haven't put out an APB I haven't put out a press. Release I think, but, but I haven't put out any code at all points bulletin. A cop thing is not lost. I haven't made any statements at all to any
you put it out when a person is missing or whatever and you want to find
and suffering Hillier
a video press release you can probably do Oh Yeah,
that'd be fun, but
it's on my list
it's very hard to do the old but I reckon probably knowing my own feeling with even like working out what to do with full stack and wants it like this and even Melbourne gate. Like when I decided I'm just going to shut that down. It felt fucking great.
Getting hits on the cat versus
owning a personal training studio to severing that in working in radio show. I got a full time wise I was like, but if you had to cut it off, there's no more training that's like people dabbling in If you're still doing anything, yeah, that's the problem. I put
out the look, I've been putting out the the information I've been putting out verbally has been. Now I'm still doing it now I'm still doing it. And that's just like, Paul, why is that? Because they lie, lie Lie till the election, is it because it's what I did was I wasn't confident I wasn't sure whether whether the podcasting thing was gonna go bananas. And so now now as a few clients that I'll remain, and then I'll clear it for what reason? They're my friends.
Okay. I can do that.
This is why the question what a success look like this group is so important because it sounds like you've got it in your head. But you just haven't put it anywhere because when you put it somewhere, then you can start communicating in a clear way so that less people come to you and say, Can you just fix my scooter? 400 bucks?
Yeah. He literally read off a piece of paper. No, sorry. You get a successful
coaching you actually,
you brought out a plant like do you write this out? Is that something you've helped people with paid like someone like derek derek actually wanting to synthesise these thoughts and have you articulate it on paper,
not through, not through like a 12 step programme, just like fluid, my favourite three of the ones we talked about, if you can get clear on a bit of paper, What's it for? Who is it for what a success look like? I reckon that goes a long, long way. Because that becomes your filter for all of the decisions that you make. Yeah.
Is this gonna help me with that? No, in which case to that, if it is cool, let's do it.
And it's the common thing to like, colour stayed who founded invito? Yeah, he had 100 plus person business, you know, running inventory and was still dealing with old web hosting clients that he had from like 10 years ago. And so he's dealing like he's dealing with a business that was you know, doing 10s of millions of dollars every year, and he was dealing with a few thousand dollars worth of annoying client And so but there's so much value in being able to tie it up, because then it gives so much freedom. I think that that's what I'm sure like, but simplifying process, there's a lot of power in it.
Right now it's a daily talk show. And you feel Derek who cried
labour, ironically. Do you know what the first thing in my series of, you know, tech podcasts, videos that I haven't made yet? But you know, the first one is on my Trello note is the most important podcast tool, which was a piece of paper and a pencil. Have pencil
I motek. You have pen do I use a doodle time?
What do you use it
when I'm recording? All right, Dan, what's going on?
mindmaps a fucking great I want to get right back into because mind maps, I think the other thing about writing is it gets very tricky in regards to like, people think that it has to be this beautiful prose whereas I a mind map of being like scrappy studio two microphones, okay, microphone stands, you know, visual,
you know, I don't know what else to say. Yeah,
yeah. Right. Like a 3d Oh, I'll get very expensive software I'll make a 3d rendering.
We used to be out of
school they used to be able to use numbers, animals and design CAD stuff is that correct? Like the puter generated
used to design furniture full of hidden talents and I built it into 3d, because you'd nail a client like back in the day. You go, here's what I want to do Android escapes, they go cool. Then you go watch these.
In the 90s Where do I saw an extra couple of days?
It's a daily talk show height, the daily talk show.com is the email address. The longer the short of it is Pete's podcast. screwed has got cast away studios and studio two is coming Very soon. Yep, with the Zoom Room, you can use it as a Zoom Room. Otherwise, cinema guys do it.