#205 – Kisschasey & Consent/

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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. Le talk show Happy. Happy Monday. I tried to be different Episode 205

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good vibe with it. And day one. The Monday fun one.

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Yeah, I feel like I've been a hermit today.

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Well, we have been we've been. I was gonna say, I was gonna say bowl State Security references just sexual. What do you call it?

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innuendo? I don't know if balls the window. Straight up. It's a bit sex pasty. Yeah, it is but like not one of our values of big media company lyst balls deep, more celebrating others

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won't know we've just come out of editing something all day. So that's why we feel like we're shifting the ball smell is because

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this is gone too far. I know. This is a brace it? Should we raised a good race. And it's the daily talk show everyone we actually doing a reset now. Okay, it was okay. Well, he said,

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I think I'm a guy. I brought up the Vols vape. It's all my fault, then I took it too far.

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Definitely. And this was the thing that we I was speaking to a friend yesterday about the best example of the type of personality that I have is, when I was in grade six, I did this piece of artwork like a painting. Yeah. And I got all these compliments from the art teacher. And it was like a really big deal. I'm smiling because I just think about what I did for anyway. I so I did this work. And they were putting it up to dry. Yeah. And she was praising me. And I decided to go back and add to the painting because I was like, if I just add a bit more, it's going to be even better. It's just gonna be more blown away. That was

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the mindset that was

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just like the the joke. And just like the joke, when I added the extra paint the whole piece of paper tour. And she was she was mortified. And she was mortified. And so it's very similar to that joke. You made a joke. You were the the the you're both deep in the chunk. Yeah. And then I pushed it a bit further. And yeah,

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you really broke through on to the other. Yeah.

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Yeah. He's still here. Welcome to

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the daily talk. Now. I think we got into a bit of ping pong as well, going one for one. And we're going further down the hall anyway. So yesterday, I took Bodie, and I sent you a photo of this park. That where I was tight here, because for the last since he was born, I had a fascination with plague.

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what's what's with this when cuz you were asking about donuts? You said, Hey, going to southeastern a donut recommendation,

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or you're my go to X fat man. Yeah. Man Who knows where most of the donut places are potentially. And so that was the that was the initial mission was to find

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some junk food. But then you you sent through a picture of a playground saying this is what I'm where I'm taking Bodie. Yeah.

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And the whole thing is playgrounds these days, like they spend millions of dollars on them today. Really? Amen. Skype, parks and playgrounds dropping so

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much coin on these things. Because when we were in Queensland, I was reminded by the text that you sent of the photo of the playground, when it was just you and I without Bodie, you got us to walk to a playground because you wanted to film there.

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Remember that? Which one was that?

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There was a lot of I know.

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You said Queensland. Yeah, Brisbane. Yes. It's part of the city. Totally. I wasn't thinking straight. Brisbane. Yes. When we were there. I spotted and that was that an epic playground? I mean,

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yeah, if you're a kid,

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no, but I think these translate to adults like I mean, probably it's not the best idea if you're just an out to town rocket and playing a kids programme. But that one in that one in Brisbane just had such a savoury show big. It's like, I love it a park or as well, running out walls. And that that's what

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what's the difference between being an adult who likes playgrounds and popcorn, they just rebranded thing on playgrounds. Like cool, but essentially, yeah, so you can go into jungle jungle gym. That's very American, isn't it? Yeah,

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it is. But no, that's a good point. So it's like you're a big kid. If you love Park. Oh, there's something about it. Like I used to do gymnastics. Race Mitchell who've had in the playground, he was really willing to park or we used to run around.

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So he said, what race Mitchell who we had on the playground tonight, which I like it, let's go. Welcome to the playground. Maybe that could be the new the new title of the show. So yeah, on Sunday, you messaged and said, You're going what what happened. So is this

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unbelievable. Slide. These two slides that were like I made is probably at least eight metres up into the sky, and it's all enclosed. So you can't fall off the side. But you go up this big little spiral staircase, like really high up and it sways a bit. So I took Bodie, who's only 1920 months old, up to the very top of this. And even he like he's cane as mastered for slides. But this one, he was a bit a bit off is just, it was just just a bit dumbfounded by looking down at mom. She don't know what's going on. Like, the kid has no idea about much. Like, you know, he's a spiders and he thinks they're amazing. So it doesn't quite know that

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heights could kill. These are just like dumb nights.

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embracing it. So I ended up taking down this slide. But the way I found it was this woman on Instagram who started following me has this page. And it's called mama knows east. That's like the side. It's all about like events in the side. So we took Bodie out there and took me down the slide. But that wasn't the best fit like it was almost. You need to see the big kidding me wanting to get like a potato sack to really get speed downer. The thing is boil. I can't even let Bodie on it by himself. Because it's so big that he could get stuck halfway and then I'd have Yeah, I don't know. Why to me. Anyway, this kid will down the bottom of the slide. And this kid came with his mom and dad. And he was all over the joint like he was a little man he how old he would have been no older than eight. And boisterous young boy

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symbol is probably what you were like as a kid.

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Yes, very similar. And what he did is probably definitely something I would have done that so at the top of this eight metre slide contraption, masterpiece is like, did you ever did you ever play in playgrounds?

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Just getting involved I was I was literally playing with my microphones. That's not even a joke. Any microphones from big W and now it costs about $20 Ah, and the annoying thing is the cables would always back on them because they weren't sort of professional quality every few weeks mom would have to buy new ones because I'm be pulling out try and move away from the speaker.

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So no, I have no idea. This is a function of the playground that they had back in the day when I was a kid but never not to the extent of this. So up in this I made a high contraption is this disease. I know

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where you get it sounds like

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a pipe and it's got like a little mouthpiece.

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The only thing that I liked about playgrounds with the analogue walkie talkie system communication advice, I'd be like mom, you white, they're annoying the fact out of mom,

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basically a pipe that goes down. So it goes from the top of this playground down into the ground and then comes out and you actually don't know where the other attendees like if you just rocked up I wouldn't have known this mouthpiece connected to this one down there. So this this little kid, the seven year old eight year old said to us, Ma'am, ma'am, you stay here I'm going to go up top. And she sat down we're like probably use fire as we are away from each other, and 40 metres kilometres away. And so he's run at the top of this playground, where this analogue communication devices I pipe to talk to his mom. And so you hear his Mom, can you hear me? Yeah. And so I couldn't I just said tuned out of the out of the conversation. And then all I say, is the mom just,

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ah, you're disgusting. He he

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got his ass up on the thing. The Father's farted on two factors into this device. He's mine. So why your

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Pharaoh white? So he would actually why was he half so he was close on.

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He was probably 10 metres away. But this pipe goes down. So the sound travels. So he's just got into it. And he's moms. He ride up to the very funny she blew up. He was

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wonder if he she blew up in a real way or blow up in like, that's pretty funny. Now,

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see, this is the thing. I mean, we're talking about what we would have done in that scenario, I would have lost my sheet funny area. Whereas Amy, she even thought that's pretty funny. And she laughed since great one for the podcast. But she said I would have been the same. I would have had like it when you're a parent you need you need the juxtaposition. You can't just have two parents laughing their asses off because it probably doesn't teach the kid anything. Fats are funny and fat. Funny, but I just I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine like me thought she wouldn't have done that. Like as a young girl. It's just something I mean, I was well into fats. Yeah,

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absolutely. My hands if I tried that. Hundred percent

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horrible vision. And I went up to the top of the site and I saw him there. And I'm annoyed that I didn't say something to say good. Well played. Well, but I didn't say it, then. Yeah. So that's what I've got. I think that's what I've got to look forward to.

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In some ways for Bodie. Do you remember the the old school playgrounds when they're made out of wood?

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Yeah. Hampton, Hampton adventure playground was one of the most peak one's in my surrounding suburbs. Crazy. I had one of those. It was a reverse burb

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can look at it like, yeah, and then well, you are made out of me the other day because I was saying when I went noise cancelling headphones, I don't know if my stomach's crumbling, I'm full blown funny. But I

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said there's a difference. there's a there's a feeling.

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And my and my troll to you is my bum. siloed Yeah.

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Good troll. Funny. That is pretty funny. It's funny

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that you wouldn't even know.

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So this is the playground. What sort of Do you remember the facilities? At the Hampton?

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Yeah, it was it was like ginormous. It was. I think there's always as a kid, you know, there's like, what, you know what better than I know the good ones, you know, the good ones. And this is one of the really good ones. But I think kids and I was a part of it. We dug underneath wooden structures. So there was always like, under ground.

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Credit and underground.

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Yeah, they didn't want it like I'm sure this is not what they want. And so you can't really do much of this kind of behaviour with new new ones. It's like they've just upped the game councils.

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Yeah, it's gonna be cyphy they've got to like the regulation I could imagine being pretty full on.

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Yeah, well, we went to the there's one in Sydney. And when we were up there, there's a adventure playground in Darling Harbour. Seriously, I don't know how child hasn't died. Because you can climb up this like pyramid rope structure.

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Yes, yes. Yes. Really high super high. I went on a similar one in Auckland. Yeah, the new

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in you it was a

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bit you're headed. No bit. The playgrounds I remember my primary school we had the wooden ones. Someone like an arsonist like if I can like Primary School awesomeness. Like some kid probably the whole thing on fire. The one my promise go across the road from my house burned down. Maybe that's why they stopped making them out of wood because it's a it's still

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I guess, a melt know that. We had melted plastic as well. Yeah. Went to a low socio economic school. So people dislike we've got something good. We might as well burn it. I remember the day the one across the road from a house burned down. And it was a couple of kids from the commission flats cross the road that are always seen as troublemakers some of the kids from the line glad to say that we're your friends with all of them is nice to them. But they some of them were real troublemakers. Yeah, and they burn the playground down. So I don't know if you can't say it. Like I get it like this some sensitivities around because they're from, you know, disadvantaged families. Yeah. But there was also some trouble is among some really great kids. Cogan. Yeah. Who's richer than everyone now. Yeah. And some other great kids, jack Goldberg, a bunch of my friends from the who's jack Goldberg, he was in the Navy. I bumped into him Brisbane

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Airport, we're not talking playgrounds was not he was just doing business Brisbane that's in Queensland. Is that a troll to me? That was a Charlie. Yeah, it's a Do you remember any specific storeys as a kid that revolved around playgrounds? Like I say, say that is almost like a bit of a setting for shit to go down in school. I bro i

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skateboard No, I rollerblading down a slide. So that was my one.

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That was a that's a pretty good I think that was the playground that I kiss to go and I'm Catherine, my first ever kiss. And the reason that I keep her was because her mom worked at Mars. The chocolate Yeah. And I thought was a great in Nova so she actually offered she said I'll give you some of my Mars by a new Kiss me. And so I was impressed up and I remember I kissed her. Yeah, for a bit of new good. New god no good

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there. So new job. Oh, no good Tommy little comedian Tommy Luca or no? Good. No, no good. Thank you. Is that what it is? I'm trying to go. Anyway. Tommy, little comedian, Melbourne comedian. He had this own do stand up comedy show years ago. And he had this bit about, he called it a bit showing where kids are always like, and I remember it just it I laughed so hard, because I just remember being it. Like a child. talking like showing my penis to someone else. It was like nobody was received record. I was testing the playground. No, it was like, oh, if you show me not yours. I'll show you mine. And kids. This is what kids are fucking doing.

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Yeah. And I remember specifically, being absolutely traumatised, because there was down at Chester court at the bottom of the court where I lived. There were two girls. And they said you should you know you show us yours. And we'll show you our house. Yeah. And then so my brother and I showdowns which which brother Jake, Jake, and that was fat. Yeah, Jake in the fat man taking the fat man. me show it and then they didn't show this and then went up and told our parents so like, I feel like it was a good lesson though.

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I got like a good to be true. storey Yeah, I got me too.

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Well, I may I don't think I would like to say that. I didn't mean to. I was I was wrapped up in a me to scandal. Yeah. And I didn't even I feel like maybe it made me realise that even not to show you dick. What the learning is there? To be honest, what do you think the learning is? Well, I don't think I think it's just

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see this is the way that I think I've lost a lot of these memories of being a child. Okay. Yeah, but I hadn't. I even had one like that went back just then to prep, being in this little cubby house thing. And doing it. It's just, I think there's such an innocence to it. But so what was the outcome? Because I

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have no, I don't remember, specifically, you just remember being told I didn't know I just remember the panic. I remember the walk. I remember the walk from the bottom of the core to the top. When they said we're going to tell you, your mom. And you know that we're the same age as us. And so there was the walk of like, trying to be ahead of them, like walking faster, and thinking and just being like, how can What can I say that's not going to make me sound guilty?

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Yeah.

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There's a power struggle guy on there. Like they, they've found some leveraging the fans happening to you, they found something that assumes power for them quite quickly. It's

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good on them.

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It's full on it's manipulation. Yeah, we don't even know what they wanted out

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of the thing is I wait like it. I would like I just wanted to say vagina.

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What are you saying? Not much.

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Yeah, but you still you like

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it's the unknown. I think it is always the unknown. This, this podcast, we've still got going 10 years. I want under the storeys that God of what buddy's gonna do. Like, I hope they're not as bad.

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I wonder how this all you know, the the change in society and what's acceptable, how that will change how kids are actually interacting,

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you have to think that there will be some sensibilities that are increased

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to sleep. Did you get up to mischief at like sleep overs or anything?

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Yeah, but I mean, in the early day, I wasn't having sleepovers at girls pies. Yeah, they just either party where everyone's in the room. Like, you know, all all genders are in the room, and there's probably parents there, but

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my childhood is if I was to sum it up, it's me being in a circle of spin the bottle and three girls arguing about why they don't want to kiss me. I mean, annoying for us. It would like as being the chubby kid I actually took up both was good for me. I took up more circle. But um,

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do you think that's affected? You think?

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Yeah, maybe? I don't know. But I definitely remember. My girl who was my girlfriend for a short time, fruity. Each routine, you know,

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like a worker your T shirt.

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Last night last night. Imagine if it was the same sort of body says should you do know her last night? No. Okay. Well, so my shorty I went to her dad was the head chef at the curry club. Which Cool, cool factor. But anyway, I remember that the carry club. It was it was on Bridge Road. I think I think it's closed down now. But it was an Indian restaurant. Yeah.

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And

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I could have been in and out of Sabah, like, like a sizzler is like but just

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another? No, but I am. I remember shrew T and I ended like we dated when I was in like grade six. And dating then is really nothing like we're part of the same sticker club. I was the only dude in the sticker club. Yeah, she was my girlfriend for a short period of time by member in year right. For whatever reason, I think she was meant to kiss me. And that didn't happen. But then she kissed my friend Laughlin. Because it was like that, like you would. It was one of those things where it was like you spin the bottle. If you land on it twice. Then it goes out to a make out session G and I think I remember. It was either like mixed us some really bits assumption. That's where that went to. To make it.

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I wonder so spin the bottle and all those kind of silly games were around when we were kids. I wonder what the evolution of those games is now?

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Mo parents I'm gonna let like, because we're your paradise.

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That was fucking pinning

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people down. You're chasing after a girl? Is this grinding on her that she doesn't want.

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It's not ideal. And I remember as a kid specifically, because a big deal being a chubby kid running for anything but how I play kiss JC. But I remember this. Do you remember playing kiss JC? What my strategy? I remember there was a Rachel, who I thought was quite pretty. And she's like, because you would be playing with a few people. I just remember. It's almost like a little bit sadistic. It's not the right way. But I just remember being like, I'm, I'm like, my I was focused on Rachel. And it's just like, definitely good hat on. Right. Yeah. I never know.

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Never couldn't catch it.

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But it's it is a weird thing. But you think because I I guess parents would have I have different levels of parents said there was the parents who would allow their kids to have alcohol when they'll 16. I never asked my parents didn't know. Okay.

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I didn't drink so. Yeah, I think I think there was a I can't remember getting drunk at my brothers. It is the 21st and I was quite young men. But God. Like if mom if mom was going to buy it. fours. We were getting five hour days. James and I conspiracy theory. Jimmy. Yeah, we had five. said we're 21 we move 16 and I worked. This was back when I days were not what they are today. Yeah. But we had holograms. We ordered them in from England. From some website, we sent off a money a check, money order, check. 35 bucks. And we got these things back. And they worked. And so if it wasn't for parents like

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Yeah, but what do you say to his kids? Chase? He just not on the menu in school anymore. So like it what what's the conversation you're going to have with Bodie? Yeah,

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about

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kiss Tracy.

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See, this is thing if it's banned in schools, and you can't be doing it. I don't think you should be going against it. Because it's the fucking headache. But I don't think that you can extrapolate from a kid who plays keys Chase. He is a six piece later. And it is it sending the wrong time. Kids are having fun.

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But isn't that like the whole problem? That's just like, Oh, we just yeah, we just we're just having fun. But I don't

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think if you don't get it from other things, like, I feel like I'm a good person. And I play kiss JC.

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So I don't think it's a I don't think it's a reflection on you. And what like because it was a different time. Yeah. Like I don't necessarily like this things that we should just say, you know, things would guy your stuff like that all the time. We and now we have learned

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and if you would show Rogan's new special. Yeah, he says the orgasm guy.

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And so, but things change, but I don't think that's a reason to then push back and say, like we

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so yeah, so that's what I'm saying. If the rule is no kiss JC The rule is whatever be I think I would never encourage pushback on what the new Rowley

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so you then slipping into a new area where what's the understand because I think that there's Is there a risk in not having a hard line on it. So if Bodie asked like, Dad, what's the deal with kiss Tracy? How do you answer it so that you're making it clear? Like what is okay, and what's not?

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Yeah, and what what the rule is set out to be may be can be the default of what your answer can be. But I honestly don't think it's that pastiche. When your grade for grade five children running around, and it's all like fake like, you know, like you think that you're talking makes it makes it fairies, a group of people guy, let's play keys, Tracy, and everyone going, let's do it. Not your kid who is got a bunch of these boys around and said, let's go right after these girls and kiss them. If that's the mindset, there's a problem. But if you're a bundle, it's

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a conversation on in consent, is what you're saying? Yeah. Like, and which takes a lot of the fun out of like a kiss Chase, it sounds like but the consent sounds quite I mean, we get along, at what point?

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Like, if you push like there is conversations around the whole consent

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or consent, we'd like it using an example that isn't kiss Tracy, when I was a kid, I remember, I used to borrow. There was these twins, Christina and Katie. And I was in their class in grade three of twins. There were a few which were between so I mentioned others

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twins down the bottom of the storey. Now, that was just

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notice system system. But um, no, there was, I would always I'm always really friendly with everyone that I remember Christina and Katie, they, I was really bad mom would always buy me pins and stuff. But I was just very loose at borrowing them and losing them. And so I'd always start off with a really nice stationary down, lose them. Christina and Katie were very good with keeping all their pens and pencils in order. And so I remember asking I can I borrow a pen? And they were always so lovely. And I remember one day I saw the mom come in and speak to the teacher. And basically, apparently, it was an issue that I've been borrowing the pens. And I didn't know, I thought that this is this, like, I thought I had consent to use the pen. So is there a risk in that power imbalance of just paint? Like, you know, not? Yes, people need to assert themselves and say, No, I want to play this game. But when you're eight or eight years old, and you're a kid, and you're getting pressured by a few boys to do it, then you're like, Ah, yeah, even though I'm not that comfortable, I don't really want to do it. I'll do it anyway. So should we make the default? No, or not putting that sort of pressure,

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I think the default will be to band things that have a very blurred line. But then sort of dating, when you're going out with a girl guy, and you haven't kissed yet. And one of you needs to make the move, and one of us a bit shy, and a bit timid, that really likes the guy or you don't know really doesn't like the guy, but because they shy comes across as like this just a bit reserved, and then the person you lean in for kiss. And then they say, oh, what the fuck? Yeah. Go for it. It's like, at what point? Do you need consent in that context? Because it becomes it's a conversation. If we get a look at it. It's so not clear at all. There is very clear cut things that you know, I think, a common sense or, you know, when it gets down to, you know, certain things within, you know, interacting with somebody else. I think there's a general rule. But what you're saying is, at what point do you need to actually have the conversation, I just saw this ad,

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I kind of ever met it was it like a village cinemas on the last week watching a movie, and it was some dad who said something about? Like, they were in a car or whatever. And the dad says something that sort of just like a bit off the cuff, like it's no big deal. And then the daughter repeats it. And when the daughter repeats it, it's sort of clicks in his head that what he said is an okay, like, Oh, they just mucking around those. That's okay, if I hit me, or something along those lines. And then it got me thinking about, well, if what these kids are little sponges, then you can't play the blurred line of like, well, Bodie. It's not like is it? You know, that? Although they're banning it, because it's like a little bit like, you can't you can't put doubt into that consent conversation. Yeah,

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I think that's what I mean, if if it big or not, I don't know what the deal is, I'm sure.

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Interesting, right? You know, sex passed at school, you don't want to be pulled in? Because it's like, 100%.

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And that's what I'm saying. The time that I was a kid didn't have it wasn't a talking topic. Yeah. Like it is now. So if the token topic nowadays is, you can't do that, because it's seen as this, that is the framework that we're dealing with in therefore, I'm not going to push back on something that is now being discussed. And, and there's parameters around things. So then it's like, I think you they need to enforce it's like any law, any new law, you can't just be reading resorting to the old law because the new law is X was pro and its progress as well. Right? Yeah, I really want to slow down the progress. But I mean, there is a slippery slope with it all. Because when you like the dieting conversation, So at what point like didn't how much of a buzz kill coffee? do you have? You have consent? Do I have your consent to plan to kiss on your lips? Like it?

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as well as I'd like saying a lot.

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I know as I said,

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Actually, that's a good mine. Yeah, but

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do you know, I get I get will be.

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It will be a struggle takes out the passion, the passion? Maybe? But I think that I'd probably want to default to that anyway. Yeah. But what it maybe requires a ease, using a lot more words potentially, like having that conversation rather than it just being a, which just changes the dynamic, doesn't mean it's less romantic. It just changes that to be something but I think it is

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lyst it's pulling you out of the moment. Because if we you think about some movie in some utopia, where there's so many more rules I mean, utopia probably doesn't make sense. utopia is like a better place than this but if you think in the future in these worlds where there's so many rules and everything so strict and everyone's following this like real dictatorship or like set of rigid rules, it does become that I don't know but maybe you're saying are you saying that it then becomes a part just of what you need to do so then you work it in in some way in the Get creative movies like you got a little business card if it

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up? Like how these gender reveals to do like, I want to kiss you reveal sound not ideal

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that I mean, I'm old school, but there was some fact that she went on the old school days. Yeah, but I don't think for that kind of stuff. I think it will ruin ruin so many. All right, Kevin said

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it's a daily talk show everyone put one of you educators hi at the daily talk show if your.com if your kids in school at school. Yeah, but also if you if they've if we're we've got a lot of blind spots. We have no idea about a lot of this stuff. Yeah, and I don't even know the answer. I'm on my smoke high horse because I don't have a kid have to worry about it. Yeah.

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It's the reason I mentioned is because I don't think it's an easy one. It's not easy and whatever decision is made to that could eventually bring us progression in this will be difficult for everybody. Yeah. And so I don't think it's a reason to say let's not come up with any new solution for this should kiss kiss JC still be a thing? Is there a place for kiss chasing

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the radio gag guys, I had 1310 sixty.com for a while I had this idea of when I was at the radio station that people could go to that website and submit foreigners Yeah. dumb idea. Alright, so now the talk show everyone have a good rest of your Monday. It's it's quite light here. So if you're listening now, go down you

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otherwise you could be in 2050 to listen to the show. And kiss JC is the most illegal thing I

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do is like can you believe it's equivalent of being like a black face? It was fun. You know, how are you meant to do it? I have a good one.