- January 31, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we’re joined by Dr Kim Lam. Kim is an illustrator who is currently on hiatus from her past-life as a veterinarian.
Unconventional dog treats
Bitcoin and anaesthetists
Josh’s big entrepreneurial venture
Kim’s ‘Small Pleasures’ challenge
Tips for creative uncertainty
Daydreaming of spies and PIs
Privacy, iPads and illustrations
Consistency and routines
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 273. It's nice to have someone smarter than us what's not hard? Actually, we've always got Mr. 97 here. So he's smarter than us. We've got someone smarter than Mr. 97. Dr. Kim Lam. Welcome to our second doctor. What is a prefix? Is that what it's called? It's a prefix.
I don't know
what a prefix means a prefix, I think is the thing that you know, you can select Lord, Dr. prefixes
like, re or sub like that little word and
you're smarter than us. That's probably in front of us. That's true. We could look it up. We do. Welcome to the podcast.
Thanks for having me. That's okay.
You're our second guest while filming? Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, we've had Christian we had Christian home. Yeah. And that's, that's it. So no pressure, you would have actually been our first guest. Had we sort of had you last week on that. Really? Really? Yes. The day I bailed? I'm glad you did. Because it was 40 something degrees in here. And it was we were sweating today is nice.
So who did you interview on that day Josh
and I you know, we didn't have to worry about it. Yeah, it was good. But so the doctor bit that's because you studied veterinary? What do you study your vet?
Well, my degrees official name is Bachelor of Science in veterinary biology and Bachelor of Veterinary Medicine and Surgery. It's just a Bachelor of Science. Just that Medical University version of it, gave it lots of letters
and started being a bit of I all surgeons, yes. Okay.
I not all specialists,
I was on the phone for 55 minutes trying to get car insurance yesterday, it took literally to get the policy, I'm not there to try to you know, kick the tires, literally just want to sign up 55 minutes from the first time they call the end of it. And one of the questions was, what do you go by? And they're like, so Dr. What if I just say Dr.
get away with it. You cannot get away with it.
You could but then that will look at your ID and all that and just waste
licenses. I doctor.
Not my driver's license on something. My Library card. Yeah.
Perfect. I could afford a library card pretty easily.
Here. You want to be in the world today. Yeah, True. True. It's
very true. It's not true. I love the I love you. I mean it is true.
The So did you know that you wanted to be event because now you're doing illustrations?
Got this whole many little girls dreams growing up to be a bit weird, I think in Grey's Anatomy. The main actress even said every little girl's dream to be a Bentley is a thing. Yeah. So I followed that mainstream dream. So I think actually said I wanted to be an artist, or a musician first before I wanted to be before I realized that was out there. And it was conditioned didn't me that it was prestigious and stable and secure by society and my parents. And then I thought that's the best thing to do. So well you didn't go to school you told us that is like you need to get into that. Yes, I went to a selective school government school, McRoberts and girls high school and represent a reputation
if there are any famous people like who's sort of what's the alumni? That's not even
part of the newsletter or anything I'd love to it like my school I felt like wasn't it's like a like a What do they call it low socio economic school. So we had great camera equipment. Because obviously, like we're investing into it, so it was great. We had like you IMAX and stuff, but the problem. Yeah, I don't feel like with necessarily
organizing from my primary school, which is St. Dominic's. Yeah, or my school in broad meadows and famous alumni. There is Eddie McGuire.
Really? Was that a big thing? When you were there was Eddie already popping?
Yes. So he was a reference point. I really people told us that's where Eddie McGuire went to a private school because this broad Meadow is a low socio economic area and on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. I remember him. Like he had a contestant who had this magic trick of knowing every single malware number, the malware being the maps that had all of Metro Melbourne on it.
I moved to Sydney. I still thought it was called Mel waves. And then I realized that it's Melbourne wise. Wise. Yes. Brisbane that it's it's not the same. I'm still thinking Sydney was milliwatts. Yeah.
So they can test it new. Every suburbs malware number index number one and cuz he said, What's broad Meadows? Because he knew it was number six.
Number six he could
she knew. And have you ever done the go back to school thing and give a speech?
Not at primary school. But at high school? Yes. Yeah.
What was the experience like we triggered?
I was because I saw lots of faces looking back at me that looked just like me not too long ago. Yeah.
Is that sad? Is that like, a motion face? It's like, I don't know what my life is going to look like.
down? Well, just the just that poignancy of how the naivety Yeah, was very vivid. And the hope and the uncertainty in their eyes, but then also, that they, they were very yellow. And they didn't take everything too seriously the same time. They're very anxious because they had exams on and yeah, that was a, that was a stressful place.
Do you remember how long you spoke for
probably only 20 minutes?
Because I was asked to speak at my old school. It was like a graduation. It was like a awards night. And they didn't give me any limit.
And so that's that's probably number one move. Hi Josh Yeah, always set a limit. And so I spoke for less than one value, then don't set a limit. You know when to stop? Well, I don't
know, it was when I like that run out of things to say sort of thing. And so it went for 40 minutes. And it was only meant to be 15 or whatever. Did you have a theme? No, I just remember it was sort of like you can do it too. And my last slide, tell me and I always laugh at this. It's just horrendous and sort of inappropriate. And I wouldn't do it nowadays. But that year I had so it would have been it wasn't even that long ago. This is like 2011 I did this. But I just been to Thailand. And I wrote on a elephant, which I probably wouldn't do now. And so the last photo was me on an elephant. And I was like, like, this is what I've been able to do any like I've traveled the world you can do this. You could do this.
So good. motivational
Yeah. And I had one crazy parent mom come out here. That was amazing. Like, don't worry about what everyone else is that was so energizing. I was like what do you mean what is one else saying?
That it was working out? You know the fact that might be i'd spoken too long. Whose fault that was?
Oh, never be asked back to my school. I don't even know if they would remember who I am. Yeah, yeah,
maybe but for the wrong reason.
What you did now I'm sure that ask you back
Yeah, I'm fucking flying now.
Okay, you're on podcast, podcast guys in studio locked in
confident, functional human being Yeah, achievement. I was
likewise confident. The you saying like looking at these kids with this naive at that they have. It's like, I think it serves this for a period of time. And then life can be the time to all the sort of, you start experiencing life. And then it's it goes away. But it's so great for a period of time to get you to make
Yeah, moves all in the same neighborhood. He goes away because I
feel there is some degree I think like naivety about like, I look at how I'm doing and I see it with like, young people making videos. I just see all their shortcomings because I've done all of that. But they're still positive about getting through it. Yes, I could. Now with my knowledge, it's it's sort of slows you down. And so I'm in this battle of like, how do I still be the cowboy? How do I still ride the horse? But also, but you're so triggered? You're falling off the horse? I'm a time say no, every you fallen off at every single stage. Yeah. So then it becomes less fun because you like that's what I was wondering is, I feel like I've got anxiety based on things that have happened or whatever, where I'm like, it's going to happen again. When you get like older, I wonder if I'm going to get like 50 mellow out. Do you reckon you just stopped
caring? A lot of people mellow out? Yeah,
and you've just been through it. So many times, you might get desensitized, or you just know the patterns.
And so how long? How long did it take you to do that thing? Five years, five years? And was that whole time? Were you like, did you start to question that path? Or you?
I was pretty on board. It was so intense. I feel like I didn't have any time to second guess it. So is is like the timetable was just very dense. And it was physically and emotionally and mentally demanding. I think I just had that short term goal of getting through it and passing and not really thinking beyond that.
today. Is it like two people specializing in the native and like us to specialize in something you can
eventually not during the degree but afterwards? You can do? masters and conservation. I'll get more experience in like reptiles. Yeah. Do you know much about reptiles? I know a bit about reptiles. But I had a Blue Tongue. I would ask me specific.
I had a children's Pathan. It was a children's pilot. Yeah, they called the children's Pathan how to die. Well, I picked essentially the runt of the litter. It was the coolest looking one. But it was also the most timid. And then my brother got the other on which was just pretty, you know, up in a bat. And then the the one died and I just said it was like yeah, the runt of the litter just died so
mysterious reasons. Because you're running well, we went a while so we went away.
why eldest brother was looking after it, but it just stopped eating. So what are you doing? Like you got a little pilot he
got sick, then he
got the flu, couldn't handle it died do get me he was in the same enclosures as two snakes. Like one died one didn't. Yeah,
might have had some internal medical issue.
I mean, we're not willing to invest in the snake. We paid 390 bucks for it anyway. So there's a bit of money spent. Do you have animal insurance for your? I do? I do.
like because people get crazy. But like I saw a guy who was doing these YouTube videos, and he started doing heaps of sponsored content and people criticizing like, man, you've sold out. And then he came out and said, like, hey, like my dogs got cancer, and he was doing it, which is like a very good reason to be doing sponsored content. Yeah. But like, is that a? Like, the cost involved? Is that the same in Australia, but you know how they talk about? Like, we're not pet insurance. But if something goes wrong, you know, like in the US something goes wrong. Like if you break a leg or something, I feel like you can get like a million dollar bill or some shit
like human. Yeah. It's like that bill, sir. I think the reputation for vet bills is that they're really expensive, because there's no Medicare and a lot of people don't have insurance. And it's so you, you don't get anyone helping you pay that gap? Yeah, sure. But that's don't make much money, either. Because they are really, really high. Yes, I will dispel that myth here. I really,
I assume anyone with a doctor in front of them, is a bola. I mean, I've just got the gripe with dentists. Really. They're the ones who charge a shitload and you don't get ready back. This is this is a rant episode. Yeah,
Such a good job. They do a great job. You need them. Yeah, we need them and well, so they can do the job. Well, yeah.
But I feel like they're the ones that probably made quite a bit of cash. Yeah,
their business models. Effective and yeah,
just a bit bit on what's the, what's the overheads of a vet.
Um, so imagine you're running a whole hospital micro mountain hospital. Yeah, but a miniature version of that. Okay, so the size of this studio, but it's got almost everything that the hospital has. So it's good X ray, dental, dental X ray machine and normal X ray machine. It's got a whole drug dispensary. It's going to Sid surgery in a consultation rooms
and everything. The reason I know about this clinic this game is because I've watched enough action films with I break into a vet clinic
they've got the vent and then he's been shot and then like the Jews Teach me up I'm event. Yeah, do it. What does that Yeah.
Have you seen any night? I really seen walking dead with Herschel? Yeah, that's one of them. That's one of my references.
One more I'll be happy
black was in and maybe
one Oh, no. Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah,
at my clinic. Interesting. So before I got shot right now, you could
you could say something.
I could reduce your risk of dying, but I might not be alive.
You could probably give me some painkillers too.
Soon. I probably get sued afterwards for not saving your life.
So did you ever get it hard?
To say fable? Did you ever have a
point? Did you have a clinic? No. So how far along Did you get before
I was an employee? So I think if you want to be more lucrative as she specialized, or you open a clinic or you work with government,
what does the government need? All the government
like a curse the people who do quarantine me help with corn, say prevent diseases from entering
Australia. What's the most interesting animal that you've ever dealt with?
Remember, when pets paradise used to exist? They were pets pet stores? Oh, yes. Yes. And sometimes you'd see those willowy, ghostly looking lizard like yes, I didn't have scales, but they were in the water and water. Yeah.
Yes, a weed gills looks like a fresh,
fresh mouse, mouse tail. You have to type it like the pinky you
like the historic right like part of an evolution diagram.
It looks like something from the bottom of the ocean. What does that even come from? How did that go? Let's make the pit. Yeah, what is the prerequisite?
aesthetically and out of novelty just looking at that sort of creature peoples or money.
And chimps that you against having chimps as pets.
And so what is legal in the lot of country? Yeah.
But like, what you need to have a chimp
But is there like what do you think the reason is to get a pet like a lot of people get a pet? Because it's like the first step before having a kid. Yeah.
I think there's heaps of reasons. So for a lot of people like they might be that it's convention to convention, whatever else is doing. It might be because deep down there a child within who has always had a dream to have a companion dog and best mate. Often it's companionship and love and just having love to give and wanting to look after something. It's a power thing. And
I think maybe I do want to pick the last dogs My brother has has benefited so much from having a dog
yes, some some dogs a system dog so to help with people who have had to have seizures, or they can tell when your blood sugar's going.
Is it true that some of them can sniff out cancer?
Yes, that's Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know how you train one to do that. But yeah, I
wonder if I could get a diet dog anytime I went to eat some sugar. It would fucking bite me.
I'm sure you can train. We give it
a try. Like how do I just wants the food from me Josh is my boss a warehouse sitting at the moment? We're looking after a dog and Brie and I really cool can we cooked on this occasion? We did like a lamb. And there was a bone. It was like a decent sized bone. So I gave it to Archie The dog
was cooked. And so I know well this is why I think I discovered because I gave it to him rather than I think I said I have to say it so I gave it to Archie outside. And he was loving it and then he and he swallowed the whole thing like I imagined like the way that bones work is it's like they've been vital
Yeah, they get older now. Well, I just thought that they would walk away and like the bones there and they'll go put it in the bin. barrier but he ate the whole thing it's I think it golden
Labrador and ever different. So can you just give us the rundown of the next 24 hours? Yeah. barn?
Most most I'm sure my songs get given cooked and uncooked bones and do absolutely fine. It's just the ones that don't do fine, right? Yes. Could Happen not to do it. It could become a foreign body lodged somewhere in the
system of the gut. So it could still be so it could be constipation.
Okay, back to To be honest, if he was constipated
for the next week and a half while we're not there. Also while we're there, that would that could be
either constipation isn't always just no poop doesn't equal zero. Equals up build up of diarrhea. And then night.
I've got a two year old you should see backed up comes out.
It's a stream that
one constipation. Do you know why?
So dogs are pretty resilient though. They can survive a lot of stuff I had to Whippets growing up
with small gray hair.
Yes, small greyhounds slightly bigger than a minute. What are they telling Greyhound is like it's interesting. Like there's a little family telling Greyhound we put
Greyhound is a poodle version of that family really mean it toy poodle, miniature poodle, those like cousins, whatever. I just like, how does that work? All dogs are the same species. You see that? related?
I guess as humans in this
bed at the same species, they're all different species.
So this is where we fall apart as a show.
So So Angus was around when I was a young teen experimenting with Herb's of such nature and marijuana. And so what I cooked up this batter, where we just got like leaves from a plant and sort of like soak them in it boiled the butter for an hour poured it in, made these cookies. I got them to a point where they tasted pretty good, except for the fact that my daughter got into them. And he is like three or four of these which you'd be in trouble as a human eating three or four.
Those are lean dogs. It doesn't take much
and so I'm freaking out. I'm in data going on there. My own know, what do we do? I called the local vet like you need to put salt down it's like
crystal Yeah. Damn it strode to have it spewing event
really far away.
Nice. It was just it was just in the same suburb couldn't be bothered me either. But he's like, he should be fine. And so the dog was shows down. He's walking down the hallway, bumping into the the walls, and he didn't die. And so that's what it's like they saved your life. You reckon doing that? Putting the salt
down this road? Heavy? Yeah, you can get salt toxicity if it was soda crystals. That makes you vomit. Yeah. Did you have soda crystals at home? Because I give that advice over the phone and I I don't know anyone who has soda crystal mom had
I thought like putting in the bath like when you got sore muscle. Tommy.
I was young. And I was dumb. Pretty well, you gave
something that made me vomit. And he was like, but he was affected from Have you ever seen a animal come into the cloud? well beyond that, like, in a bad way. Not dead but just taking it easy.
stuff. That's why I get paid.
Like a dad. Like what was? Is there been a more severe, like a more intense drug that you've seen one take?
I can't remember. I really I'm going completely blank because I absolutely can eat absolutely everything. Yeah, I had like a French Bulldog come in
at least six times in the first half of the year just by eating lunch soap. So what
I learned from the first cookie, don't leave the cookies in a place he can eat them.
These people are busy and tired. So yeah,
what should I do when the dog so I've been going to the park and every time I go there's food at the park and the dog eats it. Yeah, so it's been once was hot chips. And it was in the lead. No.
Yep, I want it like he's inside all day. So I just wanted to sort of like roam around.
Well, is that you would need to train him to do that. Is it safe for me? Because I haven't it's not
your own dog too. Yeah, cuz I don't know if I can sort of grab him in those moments. So Bry keeps saying like why does every time you take out Yeah, he's eating something because we thought he was bleeding because there was all like no red all over the floor. And then we smelt it was tomato sauce from the chips that was dripping off his mouth dumped? Yeah. And so what's the is it mango like it in those situations where he's eating something? I worry that some psychopath is put something in the manga like he's always adults being around the area. I've heard about, like guys putting ticks on grounds to stake like poisonous snakes throwing it over fences. Yeah, his stories Did you ever encounter though?
Most people aren't that nasty. Yeah, people always suspect that their neighbor might have them
feeling bad boys boys.
But the only way to stop like some dogs who would take so much trading so I'm doing that because they're just froth food. But you have to reward him for not going for the food and going to you instead see some treats. Okay, so a better alternative to the rubbish.
What is the what is the Okay, human food that dogs can eat? Because I've been giving him he's got this habit of eating shapes.
A traditional accident? No,
no say he eats the habit of eating. I'm in shape for shape. He gets four shapes before his dog food as in the owner that's good for shapes because that's that's what he did. So yeah, he sits down. Throw it up and he it certainly hits for
us. It's to entertain the human. Is that what that is?
but the dog loves that the dog like he's waiting specifically for the show because
he's been trained to expect the shapes okay,
but he doesn't like the shapes.
He probably loves it but he's been trained to he enjoys it. It's like giving you a lowly before you brush your teeth.
Or the dentist give you a lollipop off.
But if he enjoys it
you will enjoy his dinner anyway.
My joy ice cream. I just don't give it to it. But do you think we love it every day is have we screwed him up now like now that because?
Well he's a big dog right? Yeah. I'm sure you haven't screwed. Yeah,
I'm just trying to work out did the owners do the shape thing? Yeah. Then they told you to do the show. Yeah, they leave.
I don't know the owners reasons for doing
that. I think it's because he loves it. So I think Yeah, I
was happy. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, it's a little thing that
makes a joke happy to but he doesn't need it from my professional.
Take it it's it's a smart one. Is this the hardest? You've sort of had to pull back on memories from your past? As if as if it
was you all the time
people. People love talking about animals and their pets? Yeah, I
guess it's like if you're at a party and you say you know what you doing now? And then he's How's it going? If you don't Christians,
a lot of parties I've been going to my own parties gatherings where there's more than two people. It's that sounds like a party.
Right now for Josh Yeah. Don't
ask you what you do anymore. Because jobs are getting really fake. So you end up talking about other common things. So
there's insecurities in them? If they're not,
I'm not sure why or just the people who don't do it. It's not as interesting what you do. I think that no, I think
that there is a whole movement in you aren't your job, you are not your job, which is which which were 24 minutes in an O have spoken about his animals. And the next thing we've got is the that we want to talk about illustration. You want your job, your job takes up a majority of the time so I guess there's a there's some you know, nurturing things from you like a caring for something outside of yourself, I think does he describe but what do you do? Like I think that the alternative now is that people say what are you passionate about? Or like, what gets you up in the morning? which sort of that's why I don't go to parties because that the idea of
it sounds like a believe in passion. Yeah. Yeah,
no passion is I was actually reading is it the guy who did Dilbert? What do you think of him? Scott Adams
Adams? I think he's a genius. Yes. very scared of him
yet squirt? quirky. Real quick. squeaky, squeaky. squeaky. No, but I'm only like 10 pages in actually have a segment on the show called What was it called? 20 pages in? Yeah. When I start talking about a book because normally only get to 20 pages. So yes,
he had he had that issue of not finishing books.
So 20 pages in on that point? I know so. Well. I know. That's gonna make
the font really small. So you can fit a whole book into first 20 pages, man. Well, this is
why it's that's why I liked about deep work. I was looking at it yesterday. Just Just marveling marveling at the right word, marveling over the fact that I finished this book like I because I've
underlined spaced out book, right? space. It's
huge. And that's what I'm saying. I'm like, this could actually been a little pop. I'm just imagining this smirk on the kids that grew up with Harry Potter and read every one of them right now watching this. Like I only got 40. Actually, I can remember I got 40 pages into Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Is that the first one Mr. 97? It should
be read one chapter nine. I'm saving it for retirement, because I don't think it's worth this segment of
the movies. Yeah, I mean, the movie didn't tell you about it. Have you seen Star Wars? Yes. I haven't seen those ones where? I don't know about Star Wars. I've just come along for the ride. really understand you don't enter into the Star Wars, sort of not a fan. And so when did you realize that when you were doing the vet stuff that you liked, the reason the the vet stuff I keep I keep? I struggle with the word veterinarian. And I remember specifically mom used to always pick up on things outside wrong. I think one of them was I would say, the vet. I think she would say Are they the profession? Isn't there? Not a vet? You go to a vet there? Marion. Okay, great.
Then maybe Yeah, but the other one is getting lazier. I used to, I would say advertisement. And she would say it's advertisement.
I say advertisement Really? Yeah. Wow. Tomato sweater.
I don't think we actually measured 98 point what was your into school?
The whole world will know 98.25 average at my school. I was so happy with it.
My 45 more than me. So yeah. into stories. I
tell me you
don't need a school. I know. But I like that. I would love to have a school. I have moment I can score you. Okay, great.
We can do it out of something.
You said you went to a school where I guess when you're a high IQ or what we heard you say you said
an exam and they make sure that you're a certain ability level? What am I asking in the exam? I recall it being three it was it three parts? So there's an essay writing part. I think there's a general English reading comprehension part and is maths. Yeah.
You're saying those kids that you're looking at into the naivety in the path that they're on it? And you said sort of the the you said you wanted to be an artist. But then you went into vet, which is a much more tried and tested. Yep. career path. Yep. But you've done the full circle. You've gone the vit. So you've done the tried and tested
Yeah, what it was, I achieved the dream that I set out to achieve. So I was working at my dream clinic which I love
and you saved the next level that was well you can even remember the night. What was the what was the dream clinic was that
gold standard clinic with lovely people, they they practice that the highest standards really cared about the animals and the clients. They they just didn't do any didn't cut corners and a lot of clinics can how would you cut a
So say during an anaesthetic, you might be too busy to write and record down the hot right or respite, you're right, like not not writing proper records. That's a corner cutting thing. Or maybe handling the animals a bit too efficiently rather than taking your time which is less stressful. So yeah, there's heaps of
the a nice artist or heavy site like Do they have them in vets? Or do you do that yourself?
You can specialize you can be a vet who specializes in anesthesia
as a bolus because you know, like normally you always make someone who's like oh my god, like, have you seen Becky and john like they're always on holidays? And I've got six BMW since like, Yeah, he's in a nice
bed. I'm pretty sure they they work really hard. Yeah,
well, we see them coming. Yeah, I feel like a buddy. Yeah, I feel like they need success. This last time I'm saying it. Yeah, the kind of person who she would probably have Bitcoin. Were it right into bitcoin? You say they're not the most educated investors? No, no, I'm saying that they've just
connected bit. With Bitcoin. Well, I just
feel the money spending on dumpster water. One of my one of my clients who I love, he's a neurosurgeon. And he gets into crypto, like he was like, that's what anyone can get into crypto. It attracts lots of odd personalities. It feels like there's something in I felt that that was sort of a stretch. I wasn't expecting him to be like he was interested in tech and doing awesome. Like, where's that come from? It's like, oh, like, he's got like disposable income that he's wanting to?
Oh, they're just complex, multi dimensional human beings. You have multiple interests. So you, you,
you're an artist. Now,
I'm an illustrator.
Which is that you call yourself an artist?
Oh, I could. But I feel like artist is more fine artist. Someone who a painter. Yeah. Traditional mediums or little bit more avant garde than what I do. Yeah. So what does that
edgy ahead of the time?
Well, either way, you're more artistic than I am. When it comes to illustrating illustrations. I was just looking through your website. Danger old website.
Is it your website? You have to it's always old. It's
me just saying this was agent danger lambing.
It's not that interesting of a story. But I think early days when I was dating Jason, we're just going for a walk along the park. So this is a really faint, wispy memory.
Just quickly, Jason Fox was on episode 101.
It's not my theory. It's searching Google. Jason Fox, the daily talk show.
I did not search on Google just then again, right out of your head. Yeah.
That's the only thing he's been focusing on the whole was I saw his lips, the whole thing.
actually got here at the headphones. So you go to the out. I'm glad that we wasted all of that. Yeah.
Yep. So I just walking along, I'm pretty sure was outdoors under a tree walking along a park pathway. And then I broke into song. And instead of there was a Danger Mouse song that I can't remember anymore. Danger Mouse, the cartoon. Yeah. And I made a danger lamb version of that just in that moment. And all we remember is that that song was epic, and so cool, and should be a famous jingle that I get royalties for. We don't remember what it sounds like at all. But that's where danger.
And so then you're like, I need to get the Instagram. And the website
exists back then. Yeah,
sure. So what was the name? I'm obsessed with domain names. I'm actually saying to let a lot lapse. Does anyone want to have now explored.com? It's about two laps. Not bad for a travel, we should just try and sell some of these online. How many
do you have now?
It's slowly diminishing. But I've got like lots of sometimes I get the I got one called plain face, which we mentioned on the show. But the p l a in a sec. I think I had to get the.com. I don't think the.com was about which is more expensive. But I had the Instagram playing face. And the idea was that it was a face mask for being on the plane. specifically designed for the plane. Oh, yes. Yep. Anyway, someone's doing right idea. Yeah. And I just felt like execute. I thought the thing was that for sale if you want, but what I could imagine the reason I got it was because of the whole sort of social influence of movement. People want to say that they're on going on holidays, we need an excuse to post it on a plane. And it's not good enough now to post the photo
of those masks. You were
that know? So yeah, so keep your skin hydrated. I mean, exactly. That's what it is. But the way that we get people in is that they're going to buy it because then they can take their photo of them with their playing face. I'm
such a visionary for these ideas. You see the potential,
I had a whole PR strategy, the way that I was going to get the way that I was going to get on the news was I was going to I was never going to do this. But I was I thought that covering your face could be a security issue. And so if I could create a story around that we get arrested. Well, yeah, it was either, like the extreme version is having the plane face on, and then going up to the toilet near the cockpit, but just sort of flailing a little bit to the point where they sort of put you down like sort of potentially
wanted to create some controversy,
some controversy to be like, or it wouldn't even have to be that extreme. Just get them to say so can you take the mask off and find out? Exactly. So I would be like filming the whole thing. And then in the news, it would be like, a man was taken off a plane. Virgin Australia has had to come out to say can you were playing face on the
what if they don't use your lingo? Yeah, that's the
Well, I was obviously been apprehended looking suspicious at the cockpit area. Yeah, that's all it got solved it. Yes. But then I'd have to add run ads probably against that. Would that be negative to know because the thing is, Virgin Australia is going to come out and say absolutely, we have no problem with the mastering what we had issue with was the guy was screaming,
say, will your face be anonymous? Yeah.
Well, because the thing is that I'm wearing the plane. The perfect. Definitely hire an actor for life. Yeah, absolutely. Let's get it seven. ever been to Sydney want to go cape, cape, that domain. So I was on your site.
So there was an area where you've just got a whole bunch of your illustrations, and a little sentence about I'm assuming what what you thinking around
small pleasures project that I did a while back 100 days of illustrations around a small pleasure. Yeah.
So what I love is like, I could take it this so relatable. These are the four that I've pulled up. You can't say them right now. But I'll just pick one. And we can sort of talk about them. Because it's so these are very relatable to a lot of people, I think, is that how you approach
I tried to make it personal, and esoteric as possible, to me hoping that that would have a byproduct of being reliable. Yeah, first of all, that it was really specific to me, because if it's specific to me, and I assume I'm not special, then I will be specific to other people who feel like they're really special for relating. So this one, you've
just got someone wandering through a park, and then they've found a marble on the ground. And you've written keeping it says Finders keepers, especially lost marbles. I found a marble. Only last week at the park. I was playing with my son, Mr. That's mine that I was just remembering. As a kid marbles was so big. Yeah. Was there a currency for kids? Yeah, it was huge, the 50s the bull bear, and he sort of want
to say references to losing your models. models,
how much actually so that
when you I look at a painting, right? And I could come up with sort of what it could mean. And you always hear what the artist is interpreted. And I wonder, and I've always wondered, is that post? Is it a post thought so the the creation happens and you illustrate and you have just an intention or a thought and you get it out and then you start making sense of why you did that post. Like,
everyone's different. Like sometimes you set out to draw something or make make something and it turns into something different. Sometimes you've got a really specific aim or vision or feeling or objective in mind. And then you do whatever it takes to get to that specific thing yet. So everyone's really different I think without there's no generalization. I've definitely watched it it's of mine. I'm just
fly. That's that's what that means. I didn't even think that I'm like, I see where I've connected that there.
But I haven't subconscious yet. You were in flow. Yeah,
maybe that is maybe that's my awful. I guess it is my fault. Maybe I think we're honest. novels. You're a podcast.com that's
just poured podcast, podcast, it's all good. And,
and the hundred days was that a specific I need to do something it's a hashtag,
Instagram project thing. It was started by Ella Luna from the States, lovely lady and Australia was the artist artist she wrote the intersection between should and must, which is a great book I recommend so cold sorry, the intersection between should and must
Yes got words, images and paintings. So it was hashtag 100 day or hashtag the 100 day project so thousands of people around the world
participated. I had the domain name 100 day project on the way and I had the it's really popular fucking thing is I've still got the Twitter of it. I'm pretty sure domain lapsed but the I let the domain laps and that's an example of that actually would have been 100 day project before
people will want to sell packages around 100. That's what was capitalized. Isn't that so annoying that I
like say the ones that I let this way can't let domain names go. Yeah,
well, how much time per week do you spend managing your domain names and well just handles social media handles.
Not much anymore, because I've retired from social media. So it's a lot easier. But I don't know. I just want to make sure that this is right because I checked the check Josh so one of your other ones I loved was
the character is issue. Yeah, just I'll show you a biography. Hopefully the camera can see that my duty screen. But so there's you having a sneak peek into a book. And you've written sneak peeks at the last page of a book? Yeah, I have done that and read the last page because I couldn't hold on. And yeah Josh is a book man. Hang on. I got something for you, john. I've only just become a book man. Yes, we downstairs job. This exciting. Love book packages. Just given Josh Have you heard with the book of world books? A world of books.com know, is that your domain? No, no, it's not the fact just quickly. 100 Day project. I still got it. No, I had it. And so yeah,
someone's got it now. So I haven't
the idea was that like, I could have sold it. But then if you have a look, I still have confirm your Twitter account. This is 2010 100
day project. Should I give it to if someone's 100 million Twitter people who have 100 day projects don't see it. Maybe Maybe it's available again. But you know what? I had t to t on Twitter, because I was like, you know, I went to this was before Twitter got big. And I went into
Twitter. Yeah, people know if I said to Mom, I just said thing on Twitter should be like, yeah, I looked at Twitter yesterday. So that's actually looking into it. Yeah. That's how she keeps up to date with my brother in the US. But they don't call But no, the What was I saying? I yeah, I thought this is a perfect. I thought Tito was so hipster. At the beginning. I was like, Oh, this is like, you remember T was like a really big like, when was it 2007 it felt like there was a big move in Silicon Valley where everyone's like, Oh, you need to take and I need to listen to Tim Ferriss. He's
saying and it was like that was good that was also going to be my like why of losing weight was put there said if you had to have a greater from skinny made, he made 20 million bucks out of selling, selling selling books to a fortune. I don't know about the detoxing authorities open the book. And let's let's have a look at the last page so we see if we can gather what the books about
really purist about not doing that really just like a it's some people really good spoilers, and it's not what the author intended.
So you what you're saying is you're saving us from disappointing heaps of people that we're going to read this book.
Well, I guess spoiler it's like if you read the last page without telling people which book it is, it's
this. It's quite a quirky one. You would say, can I have two books? No, it's fine.
We're setting me I'm actually
or whatever that's done. Some of the late like the anarchist cookbook was I
know the world of books, used books. Second hand and you buy them. It's great. And so that's what I like this. And so what is the book smell? Just smells
This is like glue. 97 Can you grab the top of their place? You're in Josh tree? Yeah. So the smell this one. So this one I got your suit on the front cover just punching your dad. Yeah. It's like books. Yeah, smells like Nana's house. One understands used to be like, yeah,
so that's, that's that book. But so this book here, this is slightly quirky. It's um, this dude who is named Artie Lange. He was on a radio show howard stern radio show. And he got kicked off the show. But he had real issues with drugs or whatever. And right now if you if you search, if you google Artie Lange, so look at him there. TJ Can you tell me when the book was published? Do you know how to define that? Kimmel show Frank it's all front. printed and United States America book design. Copyright 2018 2009
Spiegel and Gary trade paperback edition so it's not that all the baloney 2009 but this guy, Artie Lange has done so much coke and drugs. I just falling off the poor dude. He looks like he's gonna fake nose. He was. He's a comedian and Joe Rogan. They're all sort of friends. And they just I was showing photos of this same thing. So anyway, guys, nose bleeding in interviews. I mean, we got a pretty dark here. So this is the book so fish it's cold, too fat to fish. So do you want to read just the last page? No, definitely no, not I don't know if I wouldn't think would still be in print. It says this auto biography now you reckon that is so there's a bunch of like marks on the side.
The top that you can see on the page. Yeah,
that's a long it's gonna be long. Kim Kim right at place. The final. Final? Final is the Open Letter from RT now just read the very final part of the book. Very last word.
Can you place? Okay, I do that was last year from the last paragraph paragraph. That's okay. This is your the anxiety from school of talking in front of
a group randomly by random dude
to be highly offensive. And I'm sorry in advance. And Kim does not endorse this, can you do it in an audible style, this is your opportunity to do it as a an audio audiobook.
before I sign off, I just like to say if you enjoyed this book at all, if maybe you found something in these pages that gave you a chuckle or caused an idea or taught you a lesson about what not to do. tell a friend about it. Don't give them your copy, please. That's a bad idea. I hope you found at least one story in here that you might want to reread. So no, don't give it away. Tell your friends, all of them that they should buy this book. It's fine to lie to them about how good it is. The important thing is to tell them to buy it. Because lately, I'm starting to think that on the show business drug addiction forgiveness meter, I'm inching closer to Jeff Conaway than Robert Downey, Jr. Each and every day. Well, I gotta go Take it easy. And I hope to see you all back here next book.
Their next book? Yeah, I think
I'll relate to any of that.
I think based on the thank you
for expanding my
judging before fights cover, I think you could probably do it in that case. That's pretty
money for that. Did I
pay money for that? Yeah, I did. I want to I want to understand the whole show bs thing I want to understand like what
it's like when I think that we're in this new world and showbiz stuff is changing. So it's like, well, what is this? What does it all mean? We were talking yesterday about the the unclear business model of being a creative? Where is it similar from being of it very clear, being an illustrator? How do you deal with that sort of uncertainty, as a creator,
just take it by the day? improvise? There's endless tips out there on the internet. Yeah, at events in real life from people, there's so many books, you can read on it. So there's no shortage of tips and methods on what you can do to improve the way you run your business. And situation
was hard, because I always say, is like the business side and the creative side, we need to be flourishing in the creative side to make any sense in the business side. I mean, there's probably some companies that are just purely engineering it from a business perspective that generates cash flow from the creative that is subpar. But as a creator, I know that it's like, unless I'm sort of fulfilled over here. I don't want it to really be working. Otherwise, I'm really unhappy. Yeah,
I guess you need to wear different hats. And also know that, like, if you're working in a non related job, at the same time as being in knots that you can be your own patron. I think I heard that somewhere from someone else. So you can fund your arts practice by working another job, which is great.
That's what I was trying to tell me yesterday. I said, maybe we just go back to where we're going to go to war was really respectable. So you'd be easy like I might get to actually like, then it would be take out why. Let's blow it really smart. Yeah,
think it's really wise move. thinking we should just both go work at war with then do some podcast.
It would be like I think I had a lot of material. Yeah,
true is therapeutic because I'll not shift. Oh, I think there was so much fun, don't you? Well, I've never worked jobs, and I can't handle it. I think you have to experience the two. If you're itching in a job to try and do a creative endeavor full time. I've done the two and for me, I personally can't last in just the job, my mind is going crazy. I just want to be out. So the pain of working the job is greater than the pain of what I experienced as a So what could be one like I could be security guard, I think
we're just because of the like strains. I like the idea of my job is to catch people out. Like I would love to create so many security. You know, I would I could just imagine I'd be at the control room. And I'd like someone walks in and I'd be focusing on the nuts section of all words, because we know that's a prime target for abuse. Yeah. And so I would just be watching. I'd be like, Okay, I think that'd be so much fun
to be a security guard. Yeah, some of them stand outside doors. Not all in control panel. Yeah.
And that's the whole thing. I'd want to be in the control panel, and there's probably something
missing some dude. No,
no, no, he was looking after a reactor.
But he had control panels and
he definitely had control panels. But the bit that I enjoy is the security walking. Yeah, the stalking the zooming the voyeurism you need to be the CCTV guy. So head office of CCTV,
nothing happens. Yeah,
but I'm okay with that. I'm so like, listen to this podcast, you can go a whole. It's like, it's just like super, super chill. I could imagine. If there was a when I was a kid, I used to my, my mom gets upset with me because I'd hide my I got a microphone and amplifier like a speaker. I didn't play any instruments, but I would like just talk into it. And I got a long XLR cable, like a mite table this thing here and play the mic under the couch and ran the cable all the way into my room with my speaker and turned my speaker up. I could hear every conversation. I loved it. And so the idea of my mom said you sick?
sick, sick. Not like that's naughty. Yeah. What was she talking dirty?
Curious, like, yeah, that's very curious of you. That was
quite smart. Yeah.
You're, you're a little weird. So bit. I get it when you feel like you privacy's been invited. Maybe that's an instant response. And so I would actually I wouldn't mind as a legitimate job. p i, like private investigator, or even the, like bugging things, like being able to like being what is it about it that you like about? I just always a secret. It's like, what are people saying when they're not on like when it was
a glimpse into people's inner world? Yeah. I like that,
too. What would be your job? Like, if you if you weren't an illustrator? You weren't doing any of that stuff? What would you do? And have you even have you thought about
as I would be a spy, as well? Yeah, I have had this conversation before, which sounds really unoriginal. Because Joshua said the same thing.
Do you have it based on thinking this is tough? And you actually dreaming about another possibility?
No, no. It's like just daydreaming something completely, completely different life. That's novel. Yes. What
is the difference? We have the conversation because this is
this is hard. This is all hard.
Now. I'm just doing privilege dream. Okay, yeah.
And so what is what's? What's the appeal for you for being a spy?
Well, I just I like being sneaky and secretive. Not that I do that on a day to day, by the way you can trust me. But just such as I just get such it. You just get such a rush from doing something and not spread, dude, no one knows you're doing it.
And it's and it's helping a project as well. Yeah. productive? Yes. productive? Yeah.
And so would it be a specific if you actually were to imagine what it look like that job? Is it more I like the idea of being in a car having some form of form of fast food because we need something quick, but it's just need to be easy. I was I'd say you've seen too many movies, but you actually haven't seen enough movies. Now. This is actually it's actually just your imagination. Yeah, like the idea of just being in the car, being able to have the air corner. You've got
a more sedentary version of these things. Like
putting stickers on people's ceilings, like sneaking into apartments. Yeah, getting out the window just in time.
I told you I met a guy who was like an ex.
Like badass. And he's now a spy, like a private detective, so you can hire him. And he said that he was like going into cars, bugging them going to hotel rooms, behind the thing, like legit. But he also has the tactical skills to be able to disarm you if you have a gun. Nice face.
I would love those skills as well. I want to use them but disarming is fine. Yeah. disarming skills weapons skills. Yeah.
fighting skills. I feel like you both don't have any of that side of the equation. You can probably both be and stuff but maybe that's how maybe were more likely to be spot like when you're at like a spot or you're at HQ. Yeah, well hearing like, Can we talk about
it? Oh, yeah.
Well, I think you would be an intelligent I think you I think do you know what if it was a movie it was a Kim Lam movie I think what would what would actually happen is you would be the one that wants to be sent it sent out in the jobs
James Bond and up but the thing is, you're an intelligent
I don't know any references. Remember I'm saying is if you don't say? Yeah,
Say that there's a lot of them worried about that. I saw the I could imagine that. You want to be the spy? You want to be out on the same but you're just the intelligence like you. You're in that room? I'll be gathering the data. Absolutely. But well, that's the area you could play in Josh is the the phone information like they'd be spies that are just doing it from computer. Yeah, I have to go anywhere. I was watching catfishing there was like the old world teen winner or whatever, you know, like they've got world competitions. What's the one that Trump runs Miss Universe universe It was like Miss Teen sounded really horrendous. But anyway, the winner of that she had a guy who got her webcam on all the time or whatever, which is so like, so so so bad, and we're starting to what's it called when you like say, Hey, I got this information. So Kim, you've got a little thing on your I was gonna ask you about I've
got a panda sticker on my camera camera so facing camera on my yet. And I just realized just right now that the book I reference, I think I read out their own title. I think it's the cross way between should and must not intersection. And that's like something between should and must
Facebook have just created these little things and sent them out to a whole bunch of agencies. Yeah, they were sticker that has a little door. So you can? Yes, like a hardware?
Yes. I would love that. Because I collect stickers.
Well to actual functional is a real functional sticker that you've already got a sticker though. You've already got the daily talk show. Like, yeah,
but the favorite one is, so you can. It's not like how many times I've had to rip off and it's been doing a sieve on it. And I'm leaving often. I don't do anything naughty anymore. It's I mean, I was doing anything naughty before that sounded bad. I wasn't doing anything naughty to hide myself, Rob. I mean, a corner. Lost my marbles.
Not saying anything. Yeah.
That's why that's why I enjoy the iPad. When you started illustrating, like, do you get into stationary and stuff? Like Yes, yeah.
You mean do geostationary?
What does that even mean?
Because you can draw on the tablet on this amazing app quite procreate.
And when you say digital stationary, do you mean like you can buy to buy these
make your own brushes? Yeah, that's crazy to have a brush. That's your face.
paint strokes, the paint strokes of your face repeating. I've created one just to see how to use it
very self obsessed for a person that's helping my paint with my face. But that you could create something quite cool with that. But what was the transition from analog to doing this?
I still do analog. I'm doing both all the time. My transition because the pencil which I don't have here the Apple Pencil has so little friction that it feels like using a normal a normal pen or pencil or paintbrush. It's instant.
You know the black is a black wing? Yes. The black land land Tell me knows. Yeah, so that's cool. Could you draw me? Like if you don't have there's like maybe Mr. Send me a brush. Mr. squiggle.
I can do a brush out of your face.
I already take a photo for
Yeah, you take better but there's a panda sticker this so
I'm always so impressed by the people. It's probably the the ones that I shouldn't be that impressed by those people. When you're on holidays in Europe and you see them just like charging 100 euros to do a character tour of someone's face. I mean, the
nice people here in Melbourne is really really when
I go out enough.
Straight I mean, I've never paid Wayne Vic market interesting. Well, it's a funny thing to do. Is it local? Could you imagine being in your hometown? And?
Really? Yeah, maybe we should get it done.
have good faces for characters. What
does that mean? Is that an insult or a compliment
charismatic faces. You've come up
with me. I hold on to compliments. Dr. Jason Fox, he came into the office the other day said I was looking feet, which was nice. And you've actually and he was judging you. Which I'm fine with as long as it's all positive. But you're complimenting my nose. You said that
you have good profile. Yeah. And you have the opposite nose too. Well, you have a nose that is good for wearing glasses. Because your your glasses will not slip off your nice bridge because you've had enough verticality in it.
glasses fall off all the time because I didn't have a Western nose. So yeah, their glasses range in Australia and in general. The nose pads and built for faces like mine
said there's so many I feel like every optometrist that I've been to has been Asian so i would i would assume that just
don't make that just don't make him for that because your your glasses bridge is resting on the skin of your nose bridge it's touching.
So do you have to have a certain type of
constantly doing this still? Do you have to wear certain glasses and
I wear the best glasses I can find but when I went to Japan these bits were way longer they were like antenna because there's there's so much more space it needs to fill between
Yeah, and 10 I use two antennas Yeah. Okay, or more than one I don't wear glasses is there do you do you think that great I thought to be honest. Do you guys want like not want to wear them is there like
I didn't mind the look of them but they are inconvenient because I have to switch between days and Sundays
or I mean Josh is just rededicated them all Yeah, yeah. So can you What can you see?
I can you
and then it goes blurry.
And then it's I can see 97 silhouette
just straight to 97 a compliment not he said what about his nose profile? ternary go to the side
See that's a nice outline. He's got a good profile. Yeah, I mean, if I got a Western knows you do you do.
Some major glasses company even said for for Asian profiles or something? And I don't know how I feel about that. I had a glasses right as in that that is
your What's wrong with it? Do you think
wrong with it? It's just they should just have it anyway without saying it's Asians.
Yes. That's the same theory of like, when people say are I got like a skin colored thing? It's like, what? Which color that that type of thing? You know, you know that like when I was a kid, like a pinky color you'd call skin color. But super races really because it's like it's a shoe thing. That's like this is skincare everything else is fact. Not that extreme. Obviously, Zoe foster bike had this exact thing having to do with the tan she created one color she started his which was one teen sorry, that's I think this is where they went off his career because no, I created one tent. And as a small businesses, like how many teams can you actually go and create? How much money would that be? And she and she got heaps of
likes, because that's also a deliberate decision. It's not black and white racist or not. But it's just that it is a deliberate decision to serve a specific
of the majority. And it when you're making that decision, subconsciously, you are deciding not to do things that serve another market. So I think people who have minority colors or tastes or sizes
Do you feel left out like after a while we get it like we want our size?
So and So what's it what responsibility Do you think businesses have to service minority groups?
Oh, that's a hard question. I feel like you're the only one
diverse market they need to have a stance on it on on why or if they're if they're trying to change and I think it's fine for small businesses to get to choose who they're
serving. Could you say like because the iPads not ideal for someone without hands? So you could say like
that you can use your nose on the iPad. Okay, sure.
Even an Asian style, not a Western
designer that has RSI I think her profile went viral and she uses her nose she made a touchpad
I use my foot like say if I'm if I've got like a drink Do you do this to take if I need to get to like Instagram.
I just actually like the challenge. It's more just like can I add one
The only one I made it's like it's got like good like it's sort of
funny because you know because I'm literally like just I will double up on the compliments that you've been getting about you knows Josh I think it is probably the greatest night to be doing what you're you're wanting to do. Yeah, it's got a good point to it. But the problem got a double point, double. I have a bit of sun damage division sun damage on my nose. I feel like
it was a scab. Last time you saw it. I've always had more so sunglasses because you don't see the eyes but I've always felt like looking even in the mirror. I've stood there for a little while looking at myself. And I get to this point where I it looks like my nose is fake. Looks like my nose is being held on it's too perfect. No, no.
I just the way that it just looks like it's fake. I don't know I just because it's sort of like it almost sits out. It looks like it's connected to the sunglasses because
of these bits. Yes. Over there. It looks like it looks like
an incognito mask. Yes.
Fake nose on and it just next time you've wearing sunglasses just spend a few minutes in the mirror. I
didn't notice that when I first saw your face with sunglasses.
You didn't think I had a fake not? That's a bit weird. It looks real.
Definitely real. Yeah, it's a real no
can get a fake nose.
This is a horror story. Darker that I saw when I was a kid of people who have had really unfortunate, I think probably cancers or something's happened to them so that they've had to have bits of their face removed surgically because it had disease in it. So there was this old man who had his ear, his nose, cheekbone, chin, like a lot of his upper teeth had to be removed. And he and he showed what his face look like without all these things. And it was saggy and not held together. Then he had this amazing prosthetic set this kit of his face, that would be magnets that would just click into his face, because he was all anyway, he couldn't really see where that joint and then he looked completely healthy and normal once all of his facial features would click Mr. Potato.
Amazing. Have you seen with glasses? Oh, I'd say something like that.
It's just so impressed that that that could be made for someone, I can keep living their lives.
That's what I like even I wonder about like core strength. I'm banking on not doing polarities with the idea that in the next 10 years, this can be something that's going to fucking look after that for me. no quick fix might know, but just like the guy who's an anti aging expert, and he said half of the medications that we've got that we're testing require exertion as well. So it's like it's actually I'm not talking meditation system with exercise. I'm talking need to know rice with like legs so that you actually the one risk is that we all become the soft, no muscle because you don't have to use any because you just
it's like in the Wally movie, but you wouldn't have seen it.
It's like saying the pill. I'd rather take it if you could take a pill to lose weight to be healthy, would you but it's like the benefits from our reality that come from exercise. Still there. And so it's good. Like the physical exertion is good. Yeah, I think yeah,
I think it would make life really boring. If you could just have a solution to everything with a pill or a button. Yeah, what
we do? Have you ever what's the odd drug that people get right into Ritalin? recently? Have you ever tried right into I haven't because that's like a fit that is a thing like academic like if you need to focus focus, I've never worked on anything important enough that requires me to ignore maybe half of the people that take these things, I just think that they need to take the big hours of like studying and stuff. What was your hacks for like getting first?
This is why I drink coffee. I had Nescafe but heaps and heaps of a teaspoon into a mug and sugar the same amount really get through and Oneida and Red Bull, so I can't drink coffee anymore.
You do CrossFit now or what do you What's the gym? Okay, was that is that come later life over you're always gonna
know I've never been that physically active because the job was already active. But I think two years ago Jason I joined a gym that made us paid just a bit more than we were comfortable so we actually go really
yes I think 45 model Yeah, he's like yeah, you pay through the nose but then you committed to it and
we hate the concept of having to pay to to go but it actually nothing else works.
I'd say I need to get better at that like I'm fine with having a lot of domain name subscriptions and not utilizing them so it's the trick isn't working for me at the moment. I've always because I used to work in gyms when people would complain about the cost that if the if the cost is why you go then that's keeping the accountability or if driving to the gym is the only way you'll get there and you
get value from it too. Yeah.
And so what is a day this is not an ad for a 45 it was you don't do a 45 and so the your your day now like what is what does that look like? Do you have I want to get to a point where have a strict routine I just don't have it what do you have a routine routine as well? Um, do we know anyone with a strict routine you think you said
she said Tim Ferriss Tim Ferriss I have no no
he just experiments with different routines Yeah,
I just like selling the router I don't know what your routine but like I feel like if I'm finding little things that are working for me waking up at the same time
Yes Your word for the is consistent right?
And I have been gym every second day regardless amazing went last night go home at 830 mine was was mine consumption
I considered consumption
you almost remember his word then he remembered by what was it positive? No. Considered? No. It was considered cuz I wasn't considered it was something like it because you thought that I was talking about my rubbish my wife It was good so consider it's very similar to considered anyway. Boring but I've I haven't been that great of the consumption like just add forever or shares last night, which wasn't very considered. Nemesis isn't 100% is my nemesis. It's like the thing that it's not if it's any type of chocolate. doc or
cheese even singles crap sing the same with me. It's up there with the most expensive cheese. We had the
vintage where the vintage sliced cheese that we're eating so much like you could just eat it as a folded up and I would like I should accent you got four slices.
it was perfect watch. So what is your routine? What do you do?
Um, okay, I try not to set an alarm. But obviously I do. So I like to get eight hours of sleep. Have a decent alarm. You got a cat? Yeah,
but True. True.
The cat gives me three heads up before I wake up Really?
So you don't keep the cat like in locked up anywhere? Oh, no,
she's free to run. Okay.
So my cat which that's her name, why kitty named
mom and dad obviously look after now that their cat that they have to have the old cold market, they have to the blocks, the whole front room is hers. And they've like I think I had a shopping board form on my foot. Because when I was leaving work, I'd use the wrong door and I have to sort of create all of these things so the cat can't get in. Because if they get into she will just like jump on your face and stuff. Yep. So your cats pretty good.
She's pretty good. Yep, she'll jump over you like a rainbow. Okay.
Yep. And so the so you get woken up. So you wake up what I
get a soft awakening by cat disturbances that don't quite wake me up. And then I generally wake between seven and 830 on that time. And then I put on the kettle Actually, I've done a story about this. And then I attend to all the orifices that's what I call it down to be why illustration this. So I put I drops in because my eyes get really dry overnight. And then I get youtube so call them tips and clean my ears because it feels wax. And then I blow my nose and then I drink water. And then I brush my teeth. And then I go to the toilet. And then
you go to toilet
the toilet metaphor there.
This is a good race Hey, there's not
too out there. It's It's normal. It's some people say I don't every orifice like I do. Well
that's the title of the show. The the eyedrops.
Don't take that out of context today.
I will animate it it's gonna be the the eyedrops. I don't put them in because I worried that I would then have a dependency dependency because Christian how who we had on the show has a nasal
nasal do spits not do sheets and nasal spray. Yeah, yeah,
depend Well, I have to because I know my eyes. I in the morning and I've my optometrist has drawn a picture for me and what it looks like like, regardless, I have this Crescent of dryness that looks like a moon shape, dryness that I blink all the way down to my lower eyelid.
You can't see it but if I close my eyes, it doesn't quite touch.
On our camera, we could get that. After this. We're going to get it on it. We've got my got the macro lens in 100 frames per second. That would be cool. And I have to do the the annoying thing of wrapping this up. Because we need to get
meeting in five minutes. Dangerous words consistent. So I have to make sure I hit the time that I'm telling people No, I appreciate it. It's a danger lamb. Kim lamb Thank you for coming on to the podcast. And we should definitely do this more regularly. If you want a solid 1015 minutes of fun. Look at the animations the hundred day challenge that you did. There's 100 days.
illustrated. Yeah, they're awesome.
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