#461 – Ben Fordham 🍕 That’s Crazy/
- September 20, 2019
Ben Fordham – Australian Journalist and host of Australian Ninja Warrior and Sydney’s 2GB Drive shift.
Ben started his career in radio, working on Sydney’s 2UE radio station, winning a Walkley Award for covering the 1997 Thredbo landslide.
Since, Ben has spent an incredible 20 years working with Channel 9 on programs like 60 Minutes, Nine News and Today. In 2016, Ben was announced as the co-host of Nine’s hit program Australian Ninja Warrior.
Ben has an amazing work ethic and is incredibly generous and supportive.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– Ben’s part time job working at Giovanni’s Pizza
– Becoming a wine critic
– Podcasting from first class
– Ben’s first job in radio at 16 years old
– Our Fat Fridays order at Giovanni’s Pizza & Maggio’s Cafe
– Talkback radio content
– Different opinions on radio
– Karl Stefanovic’s advice for appearing on TV
– Broadcast energy
– Only doing things you want to do
– Employing the kids on the block
– Fatherhood and parenting
– Comfort zones and saying yes
– Family time and working at Channel 9
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 461.
This is not your average fat Friday, we got Ben Fordham here. Hi, boys. Where are we may
we're at Giovanni's pizza in the suburb of Cameron in Sydney, working on Friday nights. And today is obviously Friday lunchtime, but we're not usually open at lunchtime yet. For the daily talk show. We're open for business. So I'm going to give you some great places some of my favourite places here. And then down the road is a great joint called Meadows bakery, so they're going to do the desserts. Yeah. And Maggio's Cafe is going to do the thick shakes,
thick shakes, and some sweet sweet dessert straight to
bed in a coma.
I got a radio show this afternoon.
What time have you been up since this morning?
350. The alarm went off this morning. So I'm doing better today show filling in at the moment. And with Richard Wilkins, who of course has been a guest on the daily talk show. I don't know whether he's already been on.
No, I'm just kidding, the timing wrong.
How did you end up working here?
When I moved into this suburb, I got to know the boys who run the cafe called Maggio's really got along with them really well. And then I said we're opening a bakery and I said perfect. So they're from the bakery. And then I started saying you should open a pizza joint. And then I'm only mentioning maybe 16 times and then eventually like All right, we're doing it and this used to be called videos pizza Libya was his cranky old bastard who ran this pizza shop years ago. And he was famous for you'll see on the on the board there. He's got ravioli spaghetti tortellini, if anyone walked in and ordered any the pastor he'd go no pasta pizza. He was such a tight ass, he wouldn't change the sign. And he wouldn't employ anyone to make the pasta and he'd only do the beta and its stand outside smoking cigarettes the whole time. And they need kind of begrudgingly walk into my Peter he was a real character. He's now sadly rip. Yeah, so this site came up, the boy said, we're gonna we're gonna do we live in the pizza shop. And then I agreed to have a taste test night in here to road test a few pizzas before opening night. And I had my radio show staff come in, we had to kill our red wine. It was such a good night and I got a bit carried away and I we might all work for free for you, every Friday night for a month as a thank you for opening this pizza joint. And then I just loved it so much that you know, I end up being up here most the time anyway, on a Friday night because I kind of think instead of I'm not drinking booze these days during the week, so Friday nights, my night where I like to have a drink. And I just kind of thought I'm more comfortable here I'm kind of I'm one of those tryhard was kind of thinks that he's like a bit of a mafia boss and he just wants to sit back in his own pizza joint, invite his friends in and I allow me to lock up so even when they're leaving, I'll be here with friends. I say you guys leave. I've now got my own key. So I got my NK to the pizza joint. I can just lock up the joint when we leave make sure we clean it up. So it's nicely fine. So
you're you're basically the new old owner,
like Yeah, yeah, on the on the ghost of Livio. I'm still operating here the way to join and it might when I The funny thing is when I started working here, I remember the first shift I came in. I thought all it'll be a bit of an induction a bit of a get to know y'all learn how to use the cash register. I walked in it was their first Friday night. And they're getting smashed. There's people everywhere pulling out the so I walk in the tables are covered in dirty plates and everything. So I just start clearing plates, wiping the tables. And then Marty goes, do you know how to fall pizza boxes? And I went? Yeah, because like I've learned you always say Yes, he did. I know. So I just follow the first one it worked. And then everything was going well, but because there was a bit of a queue forming. And I bought a bit of booze in the back. I could sense there was a bit of unrest. So I just went I saw someone had the sheets about waiting too long for pizza. Yeah. So I think Would you like some red wine on the house. And the lady went, that'd be lovely. And I said, Take a seat. So she's had to say I got my wine out for the wine. And then I realised being free booze will sort out any situation. So there's four guys staring at their phones looking cranky waiting on their pizza. Of course, now we've got a system sorted, but this Sunday night. So I said boys, and then Marty goes this beer in the fridge. I said, boys who wants a free beer. Three of them go. Yep, all of a sudden everyone's getting free piece. Everyone's having a good time. It changed the dynamic. So then I introduced my dad's wine writer. So he gets a lot of free wine. So then I just brought into the fridge here and at the back. Yeah, keep people happy one. So it's basically when we're getting hammered. You keep people happy, but giving them a glass of wine. So
that's worked really well. Is there a limit to what the bottle costs? You're not giving them out of the wine? No, no, no.
It's nice stuff. Might you guys love a good record right at Tony Award if you're not in on it, my dad 40 something years ago, back when not one drunk wine, an old guy called Johnnie Walker and no relation to the actual Johnnie Walker, scotch whiskey or whatever. This guy ran a steakhouse in the middle of Sydney called Johnnie Walker. He was the wine critic for the Sunday Telegraph. My dad was going drinking beers after work. And this all guy says to him try wine. And this is back when nine one drunk one right? So we're talking and I like 60s 70s. And anyway, all BMO was drinking beer. And then he introduced dead to wine that gets It's really good. And so data didn't go number one with him. And then this guy says to him, if I teach you a few things about one, you'll never have to pay for a bottle for the rest of your life. And dad goes, how does that work? He gets because you become a wine critic. And he goes there's only like two of us in Australia at that stage. My dad when Johnnie Walker died, Johnny said to the Sunday Telegraph. I think john Fordham should take over my one column. My dad to this day if you buy the Sunday Telegraph in the back is Fordham's pig. It's his wine pic of the week. So what is everyone company in Australia? Do they send him wine in the hope that they become Fordham's pick for that work? So we call dad's garage the drive thru is we just basically just drive the car in there.
But who's got more alcohol your dad's pies or Dickies?
Well, my dad, Benny Dickies ba Hey, good stickies, but
he didn't really drink and but I thought when he can win a Dickie Yeah, I went to Dickies and so I said yeah, I'd have a red place yeah switch one and then Tommy said I'll just
say no I mean I was a bit warm
trying to make it sound like you know
it's nice to the soft corporate radio
sure as could be bit heavy especially wearing the match
know your own
shares is kind of it is
like the sweetness in like SF long.
Yeah, I think my dad's one column. So for now, I don't think Josh is going to be taken to the editor of the Sunday Telegraph. This is not your guy. When dad moves on. And this is not your man. But
he did open up a bottle like when I said yes, please he did open up a bottle which I didn't feel guilty that because how long do you have before that bottle is going to go
to finish it by eliminating
that bottle was finished? That's already that's in the recycling that that bottle?
Is there a way to preserve because brain I've only just started having red wine. And
if we don't finish it that night, it's already been awake light.
Now, let's say three days I reckon I reckon straight to source
One week later, it would probably be
it depends how desperate you Yeah.
how desperate are so many there's no food left on earth? And you see, yeah, dog shit there you later, potentially. I mean, that's probably is trying to on the rise. But what is it telling? It depends how desperate you are
with reviewing. So your dad got on early with the wine. What's something that we could I'm trying to think of trends at the moment that haven't really taken off? I don't want to vape so I don't want to that review.
Or anything you do that when when you
don't have to wait for him to die.
Well, I've said to Dad, this is true. I've said to my brother, Nick. I said listen, one of us is going to have to step in and take over that one column. Like at some point. Yeah, my dad 75 Yeah, and he's going strong. You had a bit of a health scare recently. And thankfully, he's got some good news in the last week. But it's like, you know, someone is going to have to step in and take that thing I because it's a gold mine. Basically, wine is dropped at his house every day of every single week. So he's got a wine barrel outside his house. And it's and the Koreas will now you just lift the lid up and you put the one in there. That's amazing.
So is there some form of nature that cuz we know trade lungs got a massive road with gadgets? Yeah, it's true stuff.
What could? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the food things kind of tied up to a degree but
I'm happy to be a lawn reviewer, a hotel reviewer, the airline.
Boy, I had an idea years ago and like most of my buddies, I didn't follow through with it. But I had an idea of how far could you get for free? Yeah, so how far if you pitch the show Sasquatch Williams, or? No, no, but the different with actually leaves is someone else's usually. Like I've been out with ash 100 times I've never I think he's offered. He reached for his wallet once.
And then he said I forgot it.
On Instagram to pay him to them.
In the toilets to piss on his face.
You said to if you went to airlines and said, Look, this is what we're doing. Yeah, we're flying around the world for free with staying somewhere in hotels and free. It can either be you or it can be you Rodell. It's totally up to you. Yeah. But we're filming everything. We're showing everything. We're broadcasting everything this
the other day. I emailed Singapore Airlines, Qantas, and one of the Emirates and the subject line was podcasting in first class. Right. And so the concept baby podcasting is really taking off. We think we can get some media coverage of us being in an eighth grade. Class.
Singapore Airlines said that they don't have because I asked before seats. I know that was too many. But I thought
Mr. 97. Josh, me and you. Yeah,
I was wondering.
We actually don't know
yet. So they came back and said I'll logistically it's hard. Tommy was saying that we should have I should have said, we can make it really simple.
But I think the learning is that they say logistically hard it's then going, No, we just use a few GoPros Yeah, you know, it says like the barrier, there's not heaps of batteries.
We reply and say listen, we can probably work with two. Yeah. And
actually, Mr. Nice.
Mr. 97, he
is gonna work his way out.
So what about if we were to get like a while we couldn't probably couldn't run whitelist we could run a cable to economy, so he could still be monitoring.
You know, if you're ever lucky enough to travel up the front of the plane, something that I absolutely insist upon doing? Because I've spent most of my life flying economy. Yeah. So when you're on someone else's ticket, in other words, Channel Nine, someone flying you overseas or something, I always do a loop. I always get out of my seat, walk down into economy and do a loop and the entire pipeline. And I've taught other people to do it as well. Because it makes you appreciate what you're getting in business class. Otherwise, you just walk into business guys sit there and go. Yeah, this is great. Yeah. But it's only when you go and have a look at what the alternative is. Really then go and sit back in your seat.
this it is strange, isn't it? Because it's we had some issues with lounge access coming here. So I've got velocity gold status, there was Tommy 97. And myself, gold only gets you one person in a plus one. And Tommy with these hair and he's confidence we thought we're definitely going to be able to get and so we all had our hoodies on to and we thought they're sponsoring that for the AFL CIO and the
hoodies. That'll get a seat.
Wow. Virgin hoodies before.
uniform. So it's like okay, women to be together. Anyway,
they have tightened up so much. We went up and a lady greater that normally, you can even just like put your ticket on and then just go in like there's no one even there. A lady came up and she was straightaway on to us.
goalie, yes, a soccer goalie. What do you got?
Yeah, I love virgin. I think virgin I think virgin when I was filming Ninja Warrior in Melbourne last year, they they booked a squatters and look, I don't want to go you know, playing favourites. But I was like, Virgin, I've got this thing in Sydney Airport, where if you're booked in on business class, then you don't actually have to go through the terminal. You
go through the land like
it's a separate thing. So instead of walking in and going through the whole process, it's a separate little thing and I just explained to channel now and they say Well, look, we got a relationship with quad us and I was lucky but I need to go virgin because I'm filming radio shows and Ninja Warrior. Yeah. Going to in Sydney and Melbourne. And if I can take the terminal out. Yeah, the picture that's going to be a game changer. So I ended up going with him and I don't know. I like the lounge just a little bit better. I think Did you
you were doing your radio show from Melbourne. So you do Ninja Warrior?
It was not you were filming. There was not Tommy they start filming about eight o'clock at night. You're about 132 in the morning. Just need the West Gate Bridge. Okay. They planted that was the backdrop behind there is still
there. What do you mean? Is it set up as hit the
now? I mean, it came down once I built it back up.
I just wanted to try it Johnny know
how TV works.
We both had some moments with Richard Wilkins, where we had a chance to ask a dumb question. Yeah, I'm was sort of a one on globalisation. No, I think
they could sell tickets for people to try and get through that course. Like I would I think you'd get through three stages before he falls off. Well, you
know, you know, as William said, I got the call. It never made a he was a contestant it never made it better. I hooked it up. He fell over on the first obstacle. And he doesn't talk about it. But I just want to make it publicly known now that ash Williams had a crack at the ninja cools last year, fail on the first obstacle. First of all, he turned up and then he texted me. He goes, You got any pants? What are you talking about? He goes I just brought shorts and it's freezing and you got the sauce like I you know I didn't rent. I'm like I'm trying to host a show here. I'm having to run around trying to borrow. So is there an audience today? It's a live audience the whole thing he was interviewed by Freddie Flintoff on the sideline, the whole thing, but I think they have about 250 people go through and not everyone makes it you know, so it's like ash was one of those ones who cutting room floor no good.
They don't even have the data anymore. They got rid of it. So you can access it
now. Well, he wants to get the footage of course to use up any stand up routine. So I was given that job as well. He goes bro, can you access the 40 Geneva's to imagine the people at Channel Nine going right what are we doing? Going through all the crap that didn't make it away? So y'all might can take the piss out of it in a stand up doing it? I haven't tried to
what other jobs have you had? I mean, pizza guy
may 1 job was a lawn mower business. That's why the things I'll talk about listening to the show with you guys is that is that element of it you get the sense of you guys have got a got a work ethic you work hard and hard and are always always stina work. When I was a kid, I was never gonna go to uni, because it's just not my thing. Once my study was over, that was going to be the end of my study. And my brother and I started a lawn mowing business. As soon as dad and mom let us use a lawn mower. There was flyers in the letter boxes and trying to make a bit of money or delivered a few newspapers because my mic cams dad had a news agent. Then I started doing work experience in radio when I was 15. And then someone said are you know, there's a job in the sports department going on Sundays. I was 16. And so I went to the boss. And when I listen, I can do that job. On the Sunday it was answering phones and buying lunches and stuff like that making coffees and any guys Hello. And I said are 69 he goes. He goes it's just a bit young. Yeah. So I said, and this is the best thing I've ever seen in my life. Instead of accepting what he said, I said, Man, I'll tell you what, I'll do it to start off with for nothing. And then once you found the replacement, then you can so much sense. So then he was like, Okay, well, they need someone this Sunday. You don't have anyone for this Sunday. And the guys in the sports department it to your way had told me they don't have anyone. Yeah. So so I'll just do it for free until you find someone else. And then after about a month, he goes, all right, I think we better start paying you. And I got 60 bucks every Sunday. And it was great. It was just an introduction to working hard having a crack. Then they said to me one day listen during Iceland started writing scripts. So writing sports scripts, because just from learning from others around the place, and and then they said all the Commonwealth Games are coming up. Can you do two weeks work during the Commonwealth Games? And also, you know, I'm still at school. And this guy was like, you know, the school was like, Yeah, I mean, you're 12 I guess gotcha, right. And I said, No. He said, Well, do you want to do it? Anyway, I'll see. I'd love to do it. So I went to Mom and Dad, I'll follow this two weeks. I'll take two weeks off school and I'll do this because it's a once in a lifetime experience. Mom and Dad will I know why in the world.
I thought you might have got your dad at the moment. He's just been testing wines.
Go for it. Go for it mine. So I had to go back in regrettably Sinai mom and dad say I can't do it. And then the guy says to me goes Mike when you finish school or so will November December. And he said we'll give you a cadet champion starting next year, because by then working in a you know the systems you know, so I started the day I got my HTC results, which is like the you know, you 12 Leaving Certificate kind of thing and New South Wales and the first storey I sent out on with a kids who got 100 so the day I got my results, which were a long way from 100 I had to go out and and and like say that the 14 kids who are the pride of the statehood who got the top marks and I was sitting there at the back end, but I had a job they didn't. So
on the sporting thing. I'm on the lookout for a sport that I can get into from like a viewing point of view. What would you recommend?
Well, you look like dots or snooker
actually no bad
yeah, I've started playing table tennis recently because to watch they say it's good to slaves. What happened is there's a club just around the corner here like an RSL, it's got a gym, and it's quite cheap the membership so Mina might join it and then we're walking past this room and then Tuesdays and Thursday nights are lots of all walks in a playing table tennis and we're walking past and we're kind of looking at them going going what's going on here these guys in a like one of them even had the table tennis bat we got here we go. Big
thank you brothers. It would give it a nice look here we've
got the well my dad sniff my picture, dude.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Carla. Hey, guys. What do we got boys?
Strawberry vanilla chocolate, just classic gronk
who's the loser? Who's gonna have the strawberry? Just a 97?
I'll have whichever. Yeah. Thank you
so much. Thank you might say yeah, these are from the the Kappa Meadows cafe. Yeah, the desserts will come from NGOs bakery. And obviously, the pizza from Giovanni's she was even a guy had the bat tucked into his pants and what a lot these guys mean business. And then before you know, we were let's go and have a look. I started you know, gently. sledging. Some of the pliers. It was a guy called Thomas, who took himself way too serious. He was the youngest, he would have been in his 40s Okay, there's probably average age 60 then I just started sledging. And just you know, when you pick someone out, and you go, this is the guy. So I was like, and I was like, this is the guy. So I just started saying, I'd love to smash you in a guy. And he was on me. I was like, yeah, and he was the best out of a lot of them. You guys keep files like nine and I said what I could smash you. So then I might, one thing leads to another walk with me joining the pizza shop and working the pizza shop. Next thing I joined the table tennis club. And Main Line, Mike Bain, whenever we go back, we kind of go and work out down there. And we haven't been for a little while I must admit during winter. But otherwise, we go and do a little bit of a session. And then we go and play some table tennis afterwards. And I get smashed by Thomas and everyone else.
So come in strong with the confidence. Can't back it up with the skill
and then what makes it fun. I like that. I know it makes it fun. I've done that many times before I actually got pulled up by my own team playing netball. Because we won our first ever game it was for look at the company I used to work for. And when we won I had a boombox and I played We are the champions. And it was brilliant. I've gone around and full people from my team pulled me aside and said that some sports here don't do it. They don't realise it's fun it was hilarious
funny yeah nothing Yeah, that's just poor really. You know I like
I started Instagram and I was putting on my Instagram storeys, just table tennis highlights and teach the amount of people that I met I go to ask you what's going on with the table tennis but you know what i like anyone who's into something when you meet people who've got a passion and it doesn't matter where they collecting bottle tops or they know something about Peters like my panel operator on my radio show will he knows more about pizza and where to get pizzas in different suburbs of Sydney than anyone else I know. He wants drove 45 minutes to granola which is down south Sydney to go and grab a certain pizza that was cooked a certain way Why? wood fired pizza a smoked chicken wood fired pizza
these places are amazing.
drive it all the way back to me so I like people have guys are really into table tennis. I like talking to them about the table tennis and why and what they like using and what style they like to buy with it. So you know if people are into something on me I'm interested in
so then if your thing is being into these people it's like you know you're curious about storeys What is it about these people that are into something because that's what I think Josh doesn't have he's not essentially something he's
spotlight sports sports. Yeah, you
got your obsession. It's just about a bet bet thing people who are obsessed about something. So it's like, you know, like I I met a bike recently, Star Wars, there was some significant thing to do with Star Wars. And my radio producer said Are we found this guy. And he's not one of the biggest star wars collectors in Australia Star Wars merge, and memorabilia. And his whole house is covered in it.
then interests me, I'm not into Star Wars, but I'm into the guy who's in the Star Wars and I just like to know what made you single? Like what does you know, you guys know? And I'm like, What is you is your girlfriend? No, she's not really that into it. But every inch of his house is covered in Star Wars stuff. It's like, you know, those are the people particularly in TV and in radio. They're the people you want to interview if it's Elvis Presley and you've got the guy who's the Elvis Presley freak, he knows everything about Elvis and is covered his whole life and he's house and he's body and Elvis tattoos and so on. And I there's something special about I know, people are obsessed.
I know a guy who's got so much memorabilia on his walls of musicians. And he he you'd think he knows all these musicians, but Facebook just is littered with different selfies of him and musicians. He goes to airports to find them make you mad at your host to events. White memorabilia. No no. T at photos.
Oh, I think I've seen enough.
Yeah. What do we got here? I'm potato and and pro?
These are my two favourites right. This is the process. And and Marty what else is on the prawn. It's just a little bit of my good base, my two favourites. And so yeah, if you ever drop into Giovanni's on a Friday night, you'll usually see me touch your devices, the sausage, yes. don't finish my
get out. So what's your thing ever going to obsession now?
We'll see. I'm a generalist. You've got specialists, and you've got generalists. And I think it's a journey. Oh, I like you know, I'm the I consider out a dinner table and talk for two minutes on any topic. But I don't think I can really talk for an hour on one topic. You know what I mean? Because that's what I don't like it. And I've got a short attention span. I don't like getting to kind of bogged down in any one thing. I mean, there's certain things I suppose I've got general interest in politics, in radio, in media. But beyond that, now I'm on on the generalists as opposed to a specialist but as a as a journalist or a radio host on looking for the specialists. So I don't pretend to be the guy who knows your the job really about Yeah, on the dock connector on the person who stand a guy hang on? Who are the people who know the most who got the most interesting points of view on these topics? And I'll get them on the radio and I'll stand there is the the traffic called content directing traffic.
It feels like you're so different to other talkback. Like it doesn't feel like you're the quintessential talkback. radio host GG think that
well, I don't know, I suppose. I think every I think everyone's different. I think they're all different. And I think they're all the same. I mean, I don't know. Can you only know what to you only know what to do what you already know, to be yourself and everything. And I think if, if that's the main marker, then you can't go wrong. I think if you try and be something you're not trying to pretend to be an expert on things you're not. You know, there are times when I've had people ringing on the show to talk about certain things. And sometimes I've actually decided not to take the call because I'm like, well, am I really going to be able to shed light on the state of the stock market at the moment? Or you're better off reading Ross Greenwood's money new show, you know, like a mind you if someone's calling in and I want to tell educate me about something happy days. But yeah, I just bought an hour early know to do what I do, I suppose in and because I'm on IM radio. But what I discovered when I took over my drivetime show, I discovered that on the station I work on, it was number one in every shift apart from Dr. Time. And I didn't know this until I agreed to do the drive shift. And I was like, What do you mean, by Cydia? We're number 121 hours a day. And I was like, What about our shift right now? And I went on? Why does that work? They said it's kind of always been that way. And then when I looked at it, I was like, people are tuning choosing to tune into music. On the way home. Surprise, surprise, people don't want to be loaded with a lot of heavy opinion, all the way home when they just had a whole day in the office. Maybe they wake up and they want that information when they wake up when they drive home. I'm a bit like that when I leave work. I tend to want to listen to music in the car on the way home. So not that I play a lot of music. But I think what I've done with the content is just blended, you know, made it lightened it up a little bit where I still go hard on things that I'm strong and passionate about. But you can still throw in, you know, like Mike Brunei Boucher, and he's lyst on the best ice creams and the worst ice creams or chocolate bars. I've got a possum or a rat or something in my roof at the moment. It's been an issue for a couple of weeks. My dog can talk about that. And the board lights up
my instabilities though Do you think that that's like,
on an hour? I just saying it's human sensibilities? Yeah, what people want, and what they're interested in. And there are some things people try and act really smart. Yeah. And like I'll now with producers, when I first joined my show, sometimes they'll pitch storeys, and I think they're trying to impress me about how intelligent they are. And it's like, well, I might already know you're smart. That's why I hide. Yeah, but my big test is my is anyone going to sidle up to anyone tonight at the pub and go away? How did you hear about that? What type of being developed by the insurance Council of Australia about changes that are coming from the I triple city regarding assoc in 2020? Yeah, no, but someone's gonna walk in to the pub and go, my Did you see that list that idiot did today about ice creams. What a job that is, it's like, so you can still do the insurance, you can still do the politics, you can still do all the Foreign Affairs, whatever's going on with Brexit or Donald Trump. As long as you don't kid yourself into thinking that that's what they want.
How do you reflect stuff that you might not be that passionate about? Or even just care about?
I tend not to do it. Yeah.
You don't need to do everything. Everyone, you don't need to cover every issue. Yeah, I think that's what I've learned that from other radio hosts, listening to them and thinking, there's certain radio hosts that I've never heard talk about certain topics, because maybe they just know that into it. And if you're talking about things that you you're into, like that thing before I said about people who have got passions or obsessions, or whatever that comes through. So, you know, play play, your forehand lean into your forehand and say, This is my strongest shot. These are the things I'm I'm interested in. And then you can always mix that up by going. Look, there's something that's popped up that I don't know a hell of a lot about. And all of a sudden I'm, I'm interested in it. And I'm going to get a bit of an education about it this afternoon. Yeah,
we're not the smartest tools in the shed. I've gathered that. Yeah.
And one of the things that I only sorry, what
did you say? not the smartest tools in the shed who might be struggling? It's so beautiful. Because the same
day that that was beautiful.
I only found out like, three Oh, when was Trump elected whenever that was and there was like I was watching all the news. It was only then that I found out about like, right leaning media versus left leaning.
And so what I find interesting is to JB, Is that considered rightly a definitely conservative, right? Yeah, absolutely. So what does that but
say here's the thing, right? That's your branding, right? But then say for example, in New South Wales, we had these lockout laws came in right and young people in New South Wales hide them because it was like okay, we're locking up the city last drinks kicking around our killing off the nightlife. Alan Jones who's the breakfast toast on two GB and probably regarded as one of the most you formidable conservative commentators in the country. He was the first to blow the whistle on it and go Hang on a moment. This is crazy. We're killing off the fun. We're killing off the nightlife. We're killing off. What about all these other businesses? They're going to pay the price? What about the guy selling the pizzas? And the kebabs and then the Uber drivers and the the taxi drivers and then so yes, people might naturally lean a certain way on issues but there's always those things where people have their own points of view on things that don't necessarily fit that box. You don't want to be the person whose opinion can be guessed every single time before you open your mouth otherwise, what's the point listening to Yeah, and sometimes I say things on the air and my listeners will go mate, you are so wrong about this like you're weird you know, it's all right. Well, you guys have overwhelmingly got a different opinion on this tonight so do
not touch that that stuff. They
aren't and I you definitely do it. You do it. You just come and look on the same radio station. There is different points of view on the same issues like there's a family at the moment from Sri Lanka who's on Christmas Island, there's a big tussle over where they're going to be sent back to Sri Lanka on two GB Alan Jones in breakfast is saying this family deserves to stay right Hadley and morning's the show straight after saying no, they broken the rules they gotta go. So you know people like to put everyone in the same category is saying you will and and also the idea that some big boss, one of the great misunderstandings is the idea that some big bosses coming down and saying, This is what you guys
that's what I thought was so strange. Like how do we all How do you make sure if you're a right leaning or left leaning media that everyone's going to have the same opinion while you're dying?
Yeah, you know, I bet even say might even on Fox News. Try that prawn pizza right now. So even on Fox News, you've got not all the Fox News hosts in America co Ottawa. Half the time I hate each other. And if you have a look at that I'm wrong crow. Show that was just add on stand the loudest voice, which was about roger ailes, who established Fox News. Now admittedly, he kind of ruled with an iron fist. And when people didn't agree with his views on things, he often found a way of, um, you know, making them kind of disappear out of the business. But you, you see, there's a lot of hosts who are against each other. Some have got an opinion, that's black on one issue, and some have got an opinion that's white on the other. Like, at the moment, I think on on two GB Steve price is another guy who's on the same radio station. He's on just before me who people probably know from the project. And there's a debate around the moment about if you're on unemployment benefits, if you're on new star, you get paid a pittance. And it's got to the point where if you're living in Sydney, or Melbourne, or even probably Brisbane, maybe even Perth, depending on the cost of living, right, there's no way in the world people can survive on 260 bucks a week. Yeah, well, how can anyone say of all of that, I think ash Williams. He's waiting, and he doesn't pay credit card bills. And he owes the government money. But, but it's like, you know, so prices view is that No, we're not. We don't need to increase it. It's not there as a safety net. It's like, no, that's just there as a bridge to get people a job. My view is no. You know, people need more to live on. So that's the thing. And might, it makes it a lot more interesting for the listeners. Yeah. And you never these things are never like, I'm going to say this when you say that. But all often hear him say something. And I think Well, I've got a different view. And it's not a case of saying he's wrong, and I'm right. But it's like, well, this is what I think and then you let people decide.
It's also you can coexist, you can be in the same building, and walk past each other and
made some of my best mates are people who've got very different opinions to me. And I think there are some people who have said to me, how can it be made that way? I'm like, Well, what do you mean are we have some of the best Bonnie's over dinner table, sitting down and all of a sudden I've got friends who actively encourage me and a certain person who's got a different view to me. They love being it I got this will be good tonight. This will be good tonight and said I try the Grenadian knowing and I'm gonna go head to head with this certain person and we're going to rip each other's heads off and but I still love hanging out with the black still love having a fade with him having a hit a tennis and whatever else. And so yeah, you said
you said that the station has its brand which might be more conservative. Who's developed that though? Because brands start from somewhere your audience? Okay, so then it's been dictated by the lawyers,
the audience like anything, the audience likes listening to a certain thing. And the more of them that listen to that certain thing. The higher the ratings are,
we haven't developed a racist audience not
not us and the and the more the the more the high the writings are probably the more guaranteed that person is that shape. So you know, I but I don't have people I've had literally back to back and emails. But one comes through 343 saying just attacking me for being too right wing, and 344 for attacking me for being a lefty. And so I always ready to man go this is go listen to this grime at 343. I'm on the right wing zealot and make it 344 sighing might you're a shocking Lyft a year on the wrong radio station. So you know, it depends on where you're viewing these things from as well.
Have you got any catch cries or things that you constantly say? Because in our office, we've actually started quoting you a lot because you made a made a video where you were supporting organised August.
Brilliant. I was a big supporter of organised August. In fact, I can't wait for next door.
In panellists calmly told me she can do that
mightily and said what you said in that video, you said Are these carriers. Tommy thinks it's a bad idea. And ladies pause you say that's crazy.
It was really dismissive as well.
That's crazy. But anyway, even we were driving, and Tommy didn't even realise he was doing. He said, That's crazy. And then I said, That's crazy. And the Uber driver laughed so hard. He didn't know what's going on. Well, I mean, that's it.
That's one of those fullbacks things that you pull back on. That's crazy. You know, what I say things if someone's calling in and they've told me something, and I, I don't quite know what to say I go. What? Because it's so true. Is that extra? That ringing and I make some comment? And I think I don't know what I'm about to say that I go What? And then I tell you again, and then I say something half intelligent. That's that's one of my God. Get out of jail. Free cards.
Yeah. I feel like you also have like, just a presence. I was watching some live stream. I don't know if you always do it. But I went on the TJV website, and I was watching you live with video. Is that an always on thing? Yeah, we do that. Anyway, I was so surprised if you watch us doing the show. The videos, I've got my cord disengaged, and basically like falling over on my chair just sort of talking. You are up right.
Yeah, I'll be running a white shirt with a
nice great pant.
We really got.
You've got you
got your hands and you going
on moving? That's crazy. Yeah, you've just heard.
We gotta get a frame of that. We're going to get it illustrated. And it's gonna say that's crazy. Yeah, but is that is that actual thought that I can need to move my arms.
It's just that's just me. Me. I suppose that I'm used to talking about why. As I said, it's the kind of Italian in me, even though I'm not an officially an Italian. But I think and also probably TV one thing that I learned early on on TV from cows different Avik my first day I did four years of being on the Today show every morning with carlon Lisa and Georgie Gardner and Richard Wilkins. And we'd be sitting there every morning on my first day. Carl says to me, he goes near mine, what's the most important thing
and I went
credibility. He has no
experience, not energy. And I went he was on my energy. Because if you can bring energy, you guys, any shortcomings you have on experience or knowledge age or intelligence or anything else will be disguised by that great energy. And I probably was energetic already. But I think that taught me something as well that if you're you know, and you want to be you want to be into it, you want to be be bring and I probably bring too much. I've had people like Carl Sandilands describes me as the guy who shouts, which is quite a good speech. I've been on his show, and he says, Don't use my friggin
exam. Yeah, I'll give you one.
Quiet. That's crazy.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
The energy thing I think any call in the studio one day you guys my What do you shadow what's on? You said just talk. And and it's a fake criticism, I think of my delivery. But it's hard because it's just like, that's what I do.
Everything seems that because I listened to the podcast. And what I love is, if I'm a little bit anxious, it's not the best thing to listen to. Because it always feels like it's the recent breaking news.
There's always something happening. There's always something happening. You want that you want that which I've got some breaking news. Yeah. Breaking News. Just while you're talking about that. I want to try the sausage and potato pizza.
So that energy a What about when you're not feeling it?
Are you manufacturing it? Are you just stepping into.
And I might always feel it when the lights on when that light comes on. And the microphones on, I always, I always feel the energy. What I do do what you've just raised about when you're not feeling all always got pre records up my sleeve, always have pre record. So at any one time, I've got six interviews that are sitting on the board that are timeless things that I've done, that I just find really interesting. And I pre record them because I don't want to be locked into doing them on a certain day. Because of the breaking news aspect of my show. It's all of a sudden, you've got a major thing happening. And I've locked in and I've got this person in the studio, talking about something completely unrelated to what I really want to be talking about right now. So sometimes I pre record those things. And might some of them sit on the board for months. And if I'm feeling off, like as far as psychologically, if I'm like, oh my I'm just not in the right frame of mind today, because there's something going on in my life that's kind of got me down or I'm so wrecked through through either working or whatever. Then those are the days where I think you know what, I reckon a couple of pre records are going to go away today. But all side of my team, I got those pre recorded getting around today, we're going to run that one on one. And I always go Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Because they know once the lights are on, and once I go then all of a sudden they aren't we playing that pre record like now I'm all good because it feeds you and that's where the other thing I've, I have lots of work experience kids who come through my my show, when I first started working at two GB there was no work experience kind of element to it. So
because if that was not gonna happen,
I brought in the work experience thing. And so I've got great work, I got work experience kids, because I was a former work experience kid and then I've got intern, and then I've got paid interns. And that's how everyone kind of comes through the system then they get a job. And then a lot of the time then if the when they decide they want to go and work in TV, then I kind of shuffled the multilingual channel on so that's a really good kind of system in place. And now I forgot what we're having tonight as
we Josh and I'm missing it said we find your generosity unbelievable towards us and your support. Where does that come from? Is it because it's not just to us? I can say the pizza shop your mates,
you know, probably for my mom and dad, mom and dad have always without me quantum being conscious of it.
Or middle a lot of people who say to me, say for example, restaurant owners, I got a restaurant there's a restaurant covert I in darling versus Italian restaurant. And the guys here Antonio and Ronnie I remember them signing me all my what your dad has done for us. And I go What's my dad done for you? I go you guys don't you know, I don't know. And he goes he started organising these lunches here. And then he introduced this guy Dennis handling the ball society who then started coming in now Sony have all the functions here and Allah and on and I like I suppose on. I like people I have a guy. A lot of people have said things upsets when I heard your podcast. And I just love the element of I love the daily element of it. I love the fact that you are an artist, I enjoy listening to it. I I've got this weird thing with podcasts as well. But when I start getting hooked on them, then I want to be on them. And this is really self centred. But it's like, I want to be involved. I like getting involved. If there's something like the pizza shop, I love the pizza shop, I want to get involved. So I want to get amongst it. I want to I can just come in here and just enjoy it. Yeah. But also it's about tipping other people into it. So if I love it, if I find a joint that I like, I think you're right, we're all going it's all God. And then the best thing is when you discover the people you've taken in that restaurant, they then go back independently. So when I go back into the restaurant, they go on Mr. 97 came in the other day, you know who they come in with? He's not coming in with me, you know, so I brought some people in from his work so on and I that thing kind of just flows on. And then the podcasting or there are some boys, the sweetest plum is probably the first comedy podcast that I fell in love with your technique. And I started listening to them. And I just found them really funny and I just end. And then I I heard him bagging a few people. Because I beg everyone. In fact, I think that would bagged me, which is how I first got onto it. And I was like what is this thing and I listened to it. And I was being bagged on it. And then I heard them getting stuck into David and Sonia from Channel Nine one day, David Campbell and Sonia Kruger. Get into it, and now we're hammering them over something. So then I thought, Oh, so I bumped into David and Sonia and I said, Look, can you record a video message for these guys who have a podcast these guys I know. I didn't know. So then I just send it in. And then that started this thing where all of a sudden they started saying YZY has been for them listening to our podcast. That's crazy. And YZ sending us videos. So you know, like I'm con the fruit or Yeah, they were giving so much grief to come the fruit or on the podcast one day and then I bumped into him at Channel Nine. So I got a con highlights. So can you record a video shout out these guys. So then the next thing, then I'm listening to the podcast and it was like I loved kind of being a disruptor. You know, I just kind of getting involved but on the teacher's pet, which was the big podcast of last year, which is all well, Headley Thomas, allegedly still before the court. Headley, Thomas, who did the podcast as a mate of mine, and he called me before episode one landed and said, I want to tell you what I'm doing. And if you believe in it, can you get behind it? And I said, Absolutely. So I started talking about on radio, and then started following up on a lot of the same issues. And he then started incorporating that into the podcast, you know, and like with you guys, I don't know, I think with you guys, I was listening to you guys for ages. And it was only when organised August came up, that you floated this thing, and Tommy just stomped all over it straight away. And I really felt for you. And thank you because I just felt like you were being kind of downtrodden and degraded. Boy, you're different over here.
Who He is I know they're doing it.
You know, they don't know they're doing and he goes, as you say, he's got the haircut, confidence and whatever. And that's what I thought Hang on a moment. I'm not going to copies. I'm getting involved. So that's why I was like now I'm backing organised August and I want to get Sonya Krueger back and I want to get people. Let's get involved. Let's do it.
Do you think is there a Is there a risk that one day I do get the hair and I do get the confidence to see
Richard Wilkins. He's here he had a haircut just before?
Oh, so yeah, he was talking about and 97 pointed out, I was a little bit tipsy. And I told him I told you to back off because
He was saying that he's he didn't have great hair. And I just think that it's I mean, I'm wearing a hat right now because I've got some of the things here in podcasting for him to decide that it's like people who say they're upset because they can't put on why they're saying it to someone who's a little bit chubby. It's not a it's not a great thing to hear. And I felt that Richard was he was complaining about he's awesome here.
Yeah. Well that to describe what he was doing.
I love the generosity defined because I think it's I think people can see it. Do you find people coming to try and get a bit of the general
no man or do it?
Or don't say it say all that say it is generosity? I say it is what would ash Williams I was listening to the team effort. Now the great podcast aid cavalry and Tony Martin and ash and then they kind of rotate the fourth one in fact where's the team effort podcast happen then I'm an old one and in a while but I and I heard Ash on there saying he was moving to Sydney and so it's like, and I saw I sent him a note I didn't know him but I so when you come to Sydney if you want to catch up and I can kind of show you around and and it's more me wanting to be a part of you. As opposed to you wanting my help. It's more me kind of listening to a guy. I like the sound of these guys. And and if I like something one I can I going to kind of want to get involved in that. Yeah, not a man. It's like, it's like chasing a girl who you fall in love with. Now I don't want to get weed on your butt.
Jc more Tommy. It's a collective.
No, I like I like peroxide blonde here.
YZ fidgeting nervously
Do you want some pizza baby? What do you want?
Imani? What's a desert?
Look at this.
This is from NGOs bakery. And this stuff is just
Oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I do and I'm I'm out tonight. So I won't be working tonight. But on that sleep?
Yeah. One thing that Tommy and I always referencing is when we're feeling tired. We look at people like you. And we say well look at forward are like he's funny. He's doing it all. He's doing breakfast. We're seeing him on breakfast TV. He's doing two JB in the afternoon. He's working. You know, doing boxes, pizza boxes, two kids,
and another on the way
here on No, I'm good looking busy. And I'm also my I don't waste time doing stuff I don't want. I had someone Teach me years ago. And he's a mate of mine who I actually haven't seen in a while his name is Rich Iraq. And I met him in a nightclub. And he said to me, and I was talking to him. And you're going to get me philosophical here. But someone came over to me and said, and who I hadn't hadn't seen in a while someone came over and went all might How is it all good, good. And I was talking to rich nightclub. Yeah, well yelling, yeah. And then he came over. And I was like, I said, Man, I'll be over in a minute. I'm just talking to my man, I'll be over and I was someone who I like hadn't seen since primary school. I didn't really want to talk to you. And then um, I said, I might I better go and talk to this guy. And he goes, do you want to? I said, No, I don't want to at all. He goes, Well, don't. And I said, What do you mean? He goes, why don't you want to talk to him? I said, because man, he was an asshole. Yeah, at primary school. I haven't seen him in 15 years, I don't really got no interest in talking to him. But it's kind of the polite thing to do. He said, My do it only do things you want to do. And a light went on. And so to use it in my current life, there's so many things that I could be going to, that I don't really want to go to, I don't really like I don't like going to events. As such, I don't like going to, you know, movie premieres or kind of, you know, industry kind of parties or things like that, if I'm in seeing it, as if it's a charity thing, and I'm the MC on there, because I kind of like emceeing and I like a job to do. But if it's just being there, and I'm like, Well, I need to I'd rather be at home. Like there's nothing better God, my wife, and I've got this thing that we do where you get invited to something besides I a big charity fundraiser thing. And I've had to confess to a couple of the charities that I've got associations with where I've had to say, Listen, if you don't need me to win said, I'm unlikely to be able to get there. Because save me, I'd rather I saved me for when you need me to do that kind of emceeing. And otherwise I just want to be at home with God. So but I'll still put it in my diary, that event that's on even though I've RSVP that I can't be there. So I've said for them example, you've got like there's a thing, a charity where Richard Wilkins is is emceeing the thing. And I say, then you got DM saying, like, I can be sitting in the room with 700 people on a Friday night wearing a suit, yeah. Or I can be at home with God. Like, you know, charity starts at home and your your commitments start at home. So I'm like, and I'm really honest with them about it, I said, I'll be there when you need me to host anything. Because then I feel like I'm on you know, I'm being useful. So the best thing is, I'll be sitting in on a Friday night. And I'll say to God, you know where we could be tonight. And I'll look at it or you see Instagram pictures coming in. And I'm like, people in a tuxedo on a Saturday night. And you just feel that much better just sitting back into the couch, having a glass of red wine and just going, you know, I like so I suppose I avoid a lot of that I use my time wisely. And that I you know, I get asked to go to a lot of things. And I also offset it, for example, by all set of charities. Yesterday, I was asked to go and do this thing in November, October, November, December, forget about it. What's happening. So as you know, I go hard January through to September, October. But then if I get an invite to something that's in October, November, I'm like, No, no, no, no, no, unless it's a charity that I've that I've got an association with and I need to help because I know, psychologically, I'm going to be rooted at the end of the year, I'm not going to want to do that. So the way I help people out is like a guy approached me the other day and said, Look, we're having this big multicultural event. It's about 45 minutes from here. It's on a Sunday, November, we want you to be there and hosted. I said, my, I can't do that. Because I just need to be I mean, I have a newborn baby at home. I said I'm you know, otherwise I've seen too many blogs if stuff things up by taking their eye off the ball and a family sense in a marriage sense. So I was like, man, I can't be there. But do you want to come on the radio show to give it a free park? Sure. So I suppose I use that as a way to to kind of as my way of politely excusing myself from having to go there. So I look I might seem busy. But I could be a lot busier.
Yeah. And so what's the plan when the bug comes? Because that's, that's
kind of the way call it a couple of weeks off. Yeah, couple of weeks off when when the baby comes. And also, I'm a big believer in getting a lot of help. So it's like, this girl sent me a thing in the post this box and had chocolates in it and a note and she said, I don't know you. But from listening to you. And watching you I gather that you would rather spend time with God and Freddie and Paul, then be doing a lot of things that you don't need to be doing. She goes I've started my own personal concierge business. In fact, this is right up your alley. So I'm like, what's that? And she put chocolate in it as well for the key chocolates? Great question. There is little mini white five. It's
a bit of a selection of chocolates. But that's a really, really good question. So anyway,
I opened it up and I'm like, okay, so she's pretty smart. And I'm Zambada pretty smart. She's thrown some chocolates into the kids and she knows me well enough. So I made it for coffee. And I'm like she goes, how can I make your life easier. And I sit to be honest with you, my wife wakes up at 315 every morning she's reading the 5am news on Channel seven. When I get home after radio, and I see God then cleaning up after dinner and I then feel guilty, but I don't want to be doing it straight away cuz I've just got home from work. And I was like I don't. I said I would love to find like a uni student who lives within two streets of our house who wants to just come in on their own flexible time for one hour a night just to clean up the house. And she goes all find the person for you. So she does the advertising she does the interviewing. The next thing she discovers a go cool. Francesca who's a law student lives in the street next to ours. Francesca does get gets a key to the house. She comes in whenever she wants. I pay for one hour a night. And I say to if you're done in half an hour, you're done in half. Now you can kind of go any night that you don't want to be there because you've got a deal. You got to go to whatever, that's fine. You don't have to be there every night. I put the cash on the fridge at the start of the week. And she comes in Sunday night. Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, which means Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday when we wake up in the morning the house looks absolutely perfect just like the kids toys are off the ground. The plates are cleaned up you know the washing is put away all those kind of things so I've kind of been a big believer I've got kids working for me like I've got two boys. I've got boys in Australia with me a boy called max comes to our house every weekend to host along and it won't be the Skinner box and I did a deal with him up front I had a two year contract with Zach and ash across the road region right all written up and they go What about if we're a wire so you're watching you find someone to fill the spot? Yeah. And I said Do we have to pay whoever fills in what you're paying us I said whatever your arrangements are up to you guys are like eight and 10. Now by the end at the end of that we did a 12 month contract we then roll that over into the next year and at the end of last year. I said you want to go around again because it was like in in negotiation time and they CDA law said United CIK and I went no you know young kids fella I said oh no worries I said max down the road wants to do and Jasper up the road wants to do it. So there's plenty of other kids who want to do it. So anyway, so I didn't do a deal with Max and the way I do what I do cash up front so I pay for the whole year in February. So the kids are looking at these cash gone Holy shit, you know, so I get but you're there every weekend you do five minutes hosing in the front five minutes hosing in the back, giving as a researcher hand the cash up there is a risk several people say to me, that's crazy. But all I didn't even realise I did that. Honestly, it's just now slipping out. But um, I I like that element. I like that, you know, it's a good trust element to go. I've got faith and
maybe there's something because even when we get paid up front,
I wouldn't continue this same
stuff get a 10% harder because it's like, if you wait until on delivery, you get the final payment. It's then you're working towards like a quarterly
high kind of like being the as I told you the mafia boss around the sub. Look at these guys. And that's what they owe me. So then anyway, the boys back. This was the best thing. This was the best thing. Zach and ash came back across that had to think about it. And I were like what are we doing? This is crazy. So they came back knocked on the door. I do say it a lot.
We've had a rethink. Now we do want to do it.
You didn't want to do it. I said oh boy. That's a shame. I get out my text messages and I go I just locked in max.
You snooze, you lose. Sounds like I'll find some other jobs for you. So I you know, I don't like getting my own attic. right because it's like you kind of if you're an adult you gotta crack Java. Yeah, kids they can stand up when it's fun and kids love get in the attic someone is 20 bucks spend an hour cleaning up the attic got the client stuff off. And
you know a lot how many kids do the payroll
all my this spring, some weekends, I kid you know, where I've had it up that I've paid six kids in one weekend, including when our second child was born. And this is on my Instagram somewhere. I paid a kid called Chi to Walker in the brain because I was like oh man, you gotta get off to sleep in the pram and I was like, I just feel like riding my bike. So I ride my bike alongside him on the street and he was walking up and down to the suburbs. Are you paying good money getting good get good. And the best thing I get a prize Josh but in mice my straight and in my house. You know when you Fox till if you've got Fox till when it's fall when the memories fall, because it will say you've got 10% left 5% left 3% lead once it starts going down. There's not a delete all but yeah, you gotta, you gotta delete individually and there's not just too late you gotta go, delete, select, delete, select, delete, select. So that's a 1520 minute job to clean the whole thing. I pay kids to do the Delete select kids come into my house. I'm not joking. And the best was when this kid who I didn't know stop me one day, because two kids who are I paid to do it previously. Byron Chi had bragged about it at school there in primary school. And I bragged about it like I this guy's given us, you know, like 15 bucks to sit there and just delay these Fox tail and the other kids who are bullshit. And he like now it's true, right? And I lost my brother and the kids didn't believe in so I'm up getting a coffee one right here and this kid I didn't I just walked up my excuse me. Do you pay bow and Carter? delete your Fox still? Also? Yeah, you know, you guys are just asking. And then I went about and I was like, why did some strange kid they go because I believe that I believe it's the best job around so there's other kids stop pitching for the word. But you know, that goes back to probably the lawn mower business. Yeah. You want to? You want to give them a go. I've had times where I've walked into my house before I had Francesca coming into the client. I've had times where Jodi's out for the day. And she's at I'm like, Oh, my, the house just looks like a Rick. And I really should it'll make a difference to her. If she walks in and it's client, it's clearly going to make her happy. And then I don't have any me. I just like I'm just not in the right. So I'll walk outside on the street. And I'll like just have a little look around. So I hold the keys and I'm like, hey, but me. I said you want some money? Yes. Yeah. Clean up everything off the floor of this house. Let's anything that's on the floor, get off the floor, put the shoes in that cupboard, put the toys into a room. And I just thought you know, there you go. It's bad. And all this happens.
My biggest problem is I would have to invoice because I don't have cash. Oh
my What about this one? He was a good one. You know, when you go to all your coins, so I've got like jars of coins around the house. What are you going to do with those jars of coins? Right? I don't want to deal with that. I'm sure I can deal with it. But so exactly across the road. Exactly. He was deleting the Foxy all the time, no joke, deleting the Foxy all the time. And I said, Hey, guy, Mike, what are you up to? And he's like down at 14% you know, so he's finishing it off. I said, What do you what are you doing after this? He said, Why don't I why was he might come over here, God. So what are you doing? I was like, I just get always coins, I thought might listen, you're going to take all these coins. You're going to go and find out take them to the bank or wherever you go to take it to I want to convert it into cash. And you keep 20% now he went straight up to North slaves, which is live the the local club where you got there because they've got poker machines and they got it they got a machine there. Right. So we just went and I didn't realise it was that easy. Otherwise, he just went and put them all in there. I think it was something like 250 bucks worth of coins and he's just walked away, delivered 200 to God and walked away with 50 in this going on a journey was like that was quick, you guys I am just, you know, there's a machine. Because I was like, Man, you're gonna have to go to the bank, you'll have to get your mom and dad to take you to the bank. Bank hours, you'll have to coordinate it with school. There's no rush. You can do it during the school holidays. He was back an hour later this guy made you 250
What about your kids? How do you parent them? Similar why, you know,
not so much on the cash front just yet. But there'll be a time and place for that. Look. Man, I don't really have an approach with it. I do know this for any future dads out there. I did not read one book. I did not read one book I was given certain books even makes a mine who I love have one of my best mates. Tommy Milan is the boss of Wide World of Sports at Channel Nine is a lovely by a father of four kids. One of these little girls, Nancy is my god daughter, so I love him. And he gave me one book he has made a lot of people are going to tell you to read a lot of books because they're all bullshit. Just read this one. I didn't read it. I'll swap my guys. Did you read it? I said, Man, I didn't you guys. So I thought my because you make it up as you go. And you just discovered as you go and you use your creativity to try and kind of sort things out. And you know, I I love that element of it. Like I remember I'll go to God son called William who's a big boy now, but when he was a kid and he lived in the Porsche, I went to visit him. And he had a condom on in Queensland. And he he had an imaginary friend. And he was like I'm and I'm trying to think of his imaginary friends name, and it was pretty dingdong so it was like everything was all I'll check with Freddie ding dong, and I'll talk to Freddie ding dong, and Freddie ding dong will come and do it. And I was like, so I started talking about pretty ding dong as well as like a will. And he would have been like, two or three years. I grabbed Freddie, ding dong. And we'll go out on the trampoline. And my mic pulled me aside. He goes, Hey, man, he goes, can you drop off the friggin Gong stuff? He goes because we're trying to we're trying to arise it. Like, you know, like, it's just an imaginary friend. He goes, Yeah, nobody might he just never stopped talking about Freddie ding dong. So. So guys, if you can just try and just don't don't let him talk about China. I said, Yeah. Okay. I said, so what you want him to you know, I want him to talk about pretty ding dong anymore. Just Just over it. Okay. So I like that thing of going, how do I kill off an imaginary friend? to challenge especially
sauce like, Hi, will.
i say do you want to make Frankie Duda?
He goes, who's Frankie? Dude? I said, He's my mind. I said, He's out the back. You want to meet him? He goes, who is he? I said, He's my mind. He's out here. You guys here. So you go walk out and I go, he goes, I'll bring Freddie dingdong I'm like okay, so I walk out there I go. Today is Frankie Duda. An artist pointed a blank space. He goes, there's not one name. I said, Yeah. Frankie, dude. That's Frankie, dude. Oh, he goes, No. He has. There's no one there. And I was like, Oh my. And this sounds like I'm crushing his dreams. I said, Okay, might you introduce me to Freddie Dingle? I'll introduce you to Frankie dude. And you could see this light just went on this kid. never made any money. But you know what the best thing is they had a scarecrow competition at school where they had to make a scarecrow. And then when they had to give it a name, they're like, what are we going to call it? The parents are not bordering on the court. And he was like, Frankie Duda
ended up being escape cry.
Have you ever thought about doing comedy? Stand up?
My all went to a What do you call it when people just choke?
I went to one in Kings Cross when I would have been a bad idea. And I saw people out there and I absolutely loved it. I hadn't. I am so much for being able to do that. I thought to myself, I want to do that one day. But it just scares the living daylights out of me. And then Danny Alec asked me recently, he was doing an irrational fear podcast about press freedom. And because I'd been threatened with a police raid at one point he went, might you be perfect to come along with this. I got ash Williams to help me a little bit. I said, I've got my idea for my five. You had to do a five minute spiel. He goes, it doesn't have to be funny. Will it help? It was I was like, okay, it's funny. Either. I'm going to take this seriously. I prepared more for that than my own radio show. And I went had two coffees with ash. And I said, this is what I'm thinking. He goes, Yeah, it's good bit, but he just tweaked it a little bit. You guys get into that sooner. And he goes, maybe throw a throwaway comment about that, like he kind of workshop a little bit for me. And I didn't invite people along. I had two mates of mine from work. And Zach and Jake, who bites a welcome to
main work as in.
But I'm here jack Lalanne Zach mccline that were like, made you really doing this. I was like, yeah, and they great blogs, and I. And I was like, Oh, and I said, Do you want a bit of support, and I actually needed as part of the gag I was doing, I needed someone to beat on something. So I was like, I need someone to start the beating. So I was like, okay, you boys come along, but I deliberately didn't invite anyone else cuz I thought if these tanks, I just didn't want anyone to be there, you know, a recorded, and then we're going to be, you know, few hundred people there. And it went well. And I was like, and I know it went well, because I just happened that way that I was like, but I honestly think it was probably because I thought I couldn't modify it. I just stood out there and thought I'll just try and be funny. Good luck. I forget about it. But I I put a bit of thought into it. And you know, but um, I don't know, I admire anyone who does that because I just find it frightening.
So what's, what's the filter of life like all of these things. Hamish Blake talks about like, creating experiences? Is that something that you really think about creating memories, I think is is more specifically, are you constantly thinking about experiences and memories in life,
or what I've done in recent times? And this comes down to the Danny Alec thing of standing up and attempting to be funny for five minutes in front of people.
I made a rule a few years ago,
that if I'm asked to do something that scares me, I say yes. And previously I hadn't done that. And the time it changed was actually being asked to host Ninja Warrior. Because Ninja Warrior was not a show that I would ever have thought about hosting or, or or audition to host or anything like that. I literally got a call one day from a girl called Karen McCarter at Channel Nine and cares calls and says, Hey, they want you to come in for a meeting. I said, Who's that? She goes the bosses upstairs. And I was like, What about? She goes all I can tell you as I made? This is obviously the phone call. Yeah. So I was like, I listened Karen and I didn't know I was like, Listen, just tell me what it is. I swear to God, I will not tell anyone you've told me I need to know what it is. She goes to bed Ninja Warrior. What's Ninja Warrior? I'd never heard of it. He goes to TV show. She gets done so that when you come in, so I google it. I'm like looking at videos and what what they want me to go on it. I want you to host it. Anyway, so I can have the meeting. I remember saying to God later on. This isn't me. I'm a news guy on news and current affairs and cover bit of sport and whenever I'm not like hosting a TV show people jumping through obstacle courses and whatever. But I said to God, I said I think I need to say yes. Because it scares me a little bit. And also imagine if some other prick doesn't it's a massive hit. And sure enough, it went nuts and after that and then fits in we both said to me Can you come into a wrap on radio once again doing a wrap on radio or my also? Yes. Danielle it cool. Mike, can you do a thing and I was like my said give me some time to think about us a bit. The answer is going to be yes. Yes. I said it's not Yes. Now that the answer is yes. Because I just try and myself to go you know, out of your comfort zone. So yes.
Your energies so contagious. We were talking with Jace Hawkins the other day for a while Jason PJ and yeah, in Melbourne you have a bunch of us who are constantly fanboy and
I'm trying to hijack moment a little bit Well, the Jason page I funny I just stumbled upon the videos on Instagram. And I was like, geez, these guys are funny. Yeah, these guys are really good. And I love that conversation you have with giants. I love the the detail you went into about that's one of the things I like about your podcast. When you get into the detail of things I want Dickie about that yeah, a head of Dickies chat with you and when might they're not. These are not guys who are just going to be going so what have you been your highlight? Yeah, you know who's
chocolate bars we do ask
him Hey, you want to know Mike, I like that about it. And I'm love the Jays thing that I listened to Jason I started watching Jason page on Instagram. And I started commenting on their posts, because I just thought these guys are funny. And I then spoke to someone at Casey in Sydney, in management who I know I call him I was like my I don't even know him that well. But I know him. I've got his number so I just called him I went Mike what's the guy with Jason PJ? He goes Why? I said Man, I reckon they hilarious. I reckon they are awesome. I haven't listened to them. Because I live in Sydney. I now have since then, but I was like, just based on what I see. I reckon there's something going on there big time. And he said to me, and I'm probably speaking at a school here. You guys might I'm so glad you said that. He goes because I went to New Zealand and convinced them to come to Australia and not everyone was on board with the idea because they were like what do you mean and he goes hey guys, might I he goes I seen him as the future in a major major Why? So why don't I you know I I really like and then so I've been filling in on the to the show. It's funny the way things work out and PJS got a fight against Tyler Harris. Yeah, so of course I go into a storey meeting at the today show and say I think we need to be covering this Tyler Harris fight in Melbourne with that radio host PJ
What's all that about? I got you ever heard of NOC
you know Tyler Harris you know i FL star and she's a boxer and PJ from Jason PJ on kiss that Allah IC Let's get him in the studio live in the radio studio. Let's get them dressed up in the game. They got great idea. Let's do it. So I love being able to then ring him and go let's go live. We're going live on today. You know so um, but it's funny because they good. Those guys came to the accurate I don't know how they do this. So there's these radio awards every year called the accurate awards. And they're actually they've done quite well. I enjoy going to the mall and going to the lobbies because there's just something about them. It's I don't know, it's a good vibe. And I think radio people as big awake as this TV.
He turned Pete was saying that we should do the red carpet. You should rest we should go short it worth
it. It's a really good night. And anyway, last year, Kyle pulled out at the last minute. Kyle was supposed to be there and he and he didn't. Jason PJ turned around a skid where they they pushed out onto the stage. I hospital stretcher with a rather large human body underneath it, like on a drip. And I just did this and I won't even attempt to rip off the skin. It was 10 out of 10 and that was another thing where I was like look at these guys go Yeah, I don't know they just got it. There's something about page it. There's something about PJ she's just got this. I don't know what it is about her she's got this X Factor. No offence to just take this personally. It's not a competition. Is it? Not the here it's just I don't know. I just she's got a really nice way about her where she's you know, she's I don't know, it's like that not too heavy. Not too light. It's just right. Yeah, I don't know what it is about it
is the timing as well. KE come
with it flows and everything ethics is all related, which is more of a normal person. attainable, right?
Yeah. And she's like, she's she can be funny. She can be dry. She can be the person cracking the jokes. She can be the part of the joke.
deprecating just helps as well. You know? Yeah.
Jason PJ, Channel,
Channel Nine. So your host hosted it for four years.
Yeah. Before you and said, What are you doing by now? I'm the feeling. So basically, well, one of the feelings. When I got off doing the today show every morning, I went to hair goods, like you know, good bosses are there David King Joel, who was the boss of Channel Nine, who's married to Layla McKinnon, who people are now on Channel Nine. I went to him and I went my god and i want to have kids. He gets mad. It's awesome. You'll love it. He started telling me storeys and then starting into too much detail about some of the challenges you have as a via too much information. But he goes mad, be seeing a live or do I see my Tommy, I think I'm going to wrap up today's show at the this year. And you guys will let's talk about at the end of the year. I said 9am. I know last week we talked about the leave, but I promise you, I said I'm going to do it. No, because God was saying to me you were doing three and a half hours in the morning on TV three hours in the afternoon on on radio. Where's that? There's no time in there for kids. So I was like, well, I said, Oh, you know, I'm going to stop doing one of them. She was thought which one I said probably stopped doing the today show. And she's like, oh, when did you decide that? I've been thinking about it for a while. I thought about it 10 seconds earlier. And then when I went and saw the boss when it came to the crunch, and I said yeah, I'm you know, he goes, What do you want to do? I said, Well, my, I've been here for like 15 years or something a channel on if you want to use that money in another way. I totally get it. You can spend it somewhere else. And I'll go and have a crack at something else. I said but I'm always going to have an association with TV network. So he goes, man, you're not going anywhere else. He goes, you're a lifer. Your your channel nine fell off. And when he said that it was a real I was like, really? He goes yeah, man, he has your life. Are you going nowhere.
So now we're in a positive way. Yeah.
It was like, What do you want to do? How often you want to work? I said, My probably a day awake, you guys. So he, I thought you're probably cut my salary, you're probably you know, cut it accordingly. I think he knocked about 25% of it. I was expecting that it's 75. And he said, mate, you've given us How long you been here. 15 years or something as Mike, you've worked your ass off for us. He has mine. I'm not going to dad, someone like you. He goes. And he goes, You got a long future. I want you around here and I want you anywhere else. So Hugh marks is now the boss at Channel Nine. He did a similar thing with me when my last contract was up. I said, Man, I've now got a couple of young kids. I want certainly I want five years. He goes man, I've never done a five year contract before. I said, Well, life's all about new experiences. Let's do five years. So I signed five years with two GB in five years with Channel Nine. And the deal I've got with me when you need me, I'm there. But I'm not there every morning because my I get to go to the cafe in the morning with Paul and Freddie and now another baby coming on the way. And the best time to hang out with kids is in the morning. Like in the afternoon, they start to kind of you know, when I'm ready, I get ready. That's when I'm on the radio show. variety. I shy me time to kiss him before they go to bed and whatever. And my The one thing people never tell you about being a dad or a parent, people tell you it's rewarding. And people tell you all these different things. It's the best thing. It's nothing like having your own kids and whatever, or how hard it is all these decades tell you about how hard it is the time and it can be hard. The one thing no one tells you about is how funny it is. It's one of the funniest things you will ever do in your entire life. You picture the funniest person you know, and just imagine they're 10 times cuter. And that little less William that's the key. funniest person you know, but they're tiny and they can shoot and that's it like the stuff that they come out with and just the end that's the best I just love the banter with with my kids and you know Freddie my oldest is like a really well behaved little kid. I can say to him I this is the way it's working. And he just gets it. Yeah. Paul is just like, forget about it. I'm like because I've got a thing I go Do you want consequences? That's like me talking tough I go You don't want consequences do for it? He goes No, no, no way. No consequences. Poor guys. Yeah, consequences. And I got consequences of bad Yea, consequences. consequences. I'm YR this is not working on her mind. It's great fun. That's great fun. And I suppose that's the variety. It's given me now Channel Nine to be able to. There's not many companies out there these days. Maybe there are who are respectful enough of you as an individual. And I've also said to some of my bosses I got man, I've seen too many blogs stuff and up walking on the moon like I don't really I don't want to get into balls. I don't want to have like nothing wrong with that. But I don't want it that's not for me when God and I when I
popped the question to God and she said yes. I said, I need to warn you something.
I said my, I'm not into divorce. It's not my go. I was like, that's just not my thing. You need to know if we're going to do this. It's on and it's not that he
did she know about the new trouble in it. Now she
didn't know about the early morning use of the new trouble but but it was like you know, and I'm not perfect on my assignment, the perfect husband and God will testify to that I'm always learning along the way. But and the great thing about God I'm getting I'm getting a little bit, you know, like it's a love song dedications here with Richard Mercer. But it's like, um, when I was living in red Fern, I was living next door to a bunch of very creative blokes, Kirk Dhaka, who created you can ask that on the ABC bear show on the ABC. Louis harbour, who does Dr. Tom on on Triple J. Tom Tilly, who does the heck was living there as well, another guy, Scott me. Marty smiley, who works on the feed at SPS, all guys work in the media and interesting creative types. And they were a bit, you know, they didn't have the same commitments as many other wife and baby on the way and whatever. And then I had a child that he needs to, but I'd go in next door just for fun. And I remember them one day, they're like, So Mike, what's the goal with God? And I said, What do you mean? I like why she's so chilled. And I said, Well, what do you mean? Like, well, she doesn't bust your balls and she just kind of lets you know, she's got her own life. She's always doing your own things and, and she kind of let you do what you whatever you want to do. I was like, well, because I married someone who I didn't want to marry a ball breaker know, like, What might we know lots of people who got ball breakers, as wives who kind of, you know, suppress them and kind of break them and and kind of, I thought, well, they don't do that, you know, the most important choice you make in life so you're going to marry and I've married well so I suppose when I get the occasional probably twice a year I get a tickle up from God. Like with a new trouble at four I am just going May I mean that's very low level fine. I but it's like, you know, she will occasion was the biggest ship. What's the world? You know, it's speaking at a school with but recently she said to me, because I stopped drinking during the week. And then Friday become my drinking on. I started drinking a lot on Friday night.
Right here, this
crime scene. And then so God was like, and he's me thinking, I'm being so healthy. Because I'm like, I'm not drinking at home. I'm not drinking red wine. I'm not drinking be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. But then Friday, I was making up for it. Like for the whole week that I wasn't. So she did she she she kind of just said to me how Listen, she goes, you know you I want you to be able to do whatever you want on you know, and I understand you need to have a release on a Friday night and get a bit loose and all of that that's great. She gets with my then you're just hung over all weekend. And then she goes and then I just I start not really enjoying you know, the mange because she goes then you just like your limping through the hallway game because you're dehydrated. Yeah, I'm dehydrated. I'm tired. I'm like just thinking Boy, you know, like, you can't even
it's everywhere doing chores. thing and
that's why am I getting everyone else to do all the stuff I'm supposed to do so. And it was it was one of those things where it's like, man, if you're lucky enough to have a great wife like I do. You've got to be prepared to and also someone who's not going to need pick about friggin pizza you're ordering. Yeah, that's like I'm and I'm not saying this is just a woman thing. There are blogs out there who are ball breakers as well their wives. So it's like, when they do speak up. And it's like, and you know, I just declared straight up. I was like my guilty. I kind of saying I knew, because I knew I was like last year but I'm really good Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, she was like even then when you with us? I'd rather you be Have a drink during the week rather than you just smash yourself on a Friday and kind of be walking around like a zombie Saturday.
Was it a Sunday and then go does it like a Sunday evening that you had the discussion? Like was I
don't know when it was it was maybe? Yeah, but I remember we went to the spare room for the conversation. So it was like it was a and here's another interesting thing to like, I've just told you that storey which is a deeply personal thing, that how's God gonna react? When she listens to this and knows that I've told this, she'll probably just understand it, because she knows it's just me being May. But there's something there's another element to that as well when you work on radio, or on TV and you just got three hours to talk every afternoon and you find yourself telling storeys about our God had a crack at me because I used to use bullet whatever and God what kind of guy? I don't want to be content. Oh, no, no, my wife and I love you. And it's good. You know, that's all I'm trying to be honest. I'm being honest about you know, living and learning and, and made I don't want to start things up to a, to a degree where it might there's nothing worse when when the person you love when people you love disappointed in you might it's the worst.
And hurts personally the most. Because some if it was some random that it was like that when your wife tells you
is like and if they are angry with me. Not as bad. But the disappointed in you. It's like when your mom and dad it's like oh, you know that disappointment? And it's like, oh my god, I want that.
I love hearing that the five year locked in, in my mind give would give me a lot of comfort to be present. Whereas I think a lot of young people creatives coming up no clear future for making money to support themselves. Yeah, even for the Korea because they just going How can I get
up? Well, one thing I've become big on recently and I say this to a lot of the young people who work around me, people are moving too quickly these days in their careers would become like back in the old day be like job for life, you did your job. And that was your job for life. And Richards a perfect example
But now it's gone to the other extreme, where now it's like now you're chopping change in your new job every two years. But what happens is, like I know from my experience in media, people get to 28 and they've gone to that six different jobs and then they go and then they're out. And then they go I'm gonna go on and then they're out of the business. And I've seen a lot of young people who are really loved working with who ended up being chewed up and spat out at a really young age. So now I I encourage people like I made like you're a long time working or people are working too late 60s 70s 80s sucks. Like just keep in mind in your 20s particularly if you're on a good thing if you've got a good job if you enjoy it if you're not being done on the money front. And it's going okay, I my big thing now is once upon a time I'll be like okay, when I started out every two years now you need to get a new job and move on what's next what's next. And I'm really encouraging people now just to go may just slow down just a little bit you know, because you got a long time out there and I just reckon hitting the fast forward button on live sometimes I reckon you missed some of the good stuff.
Yeah, I love your perspective on life. I think like Tommy and I constantly referencing you and
you want to join my cult I'm thinking so yeah, what will it be? Scott that's it. I've always wanted a cold Yeah,
it's That's crazy.
I don't want to save the weed bit until the end but yeah, Tom Tilly who I mentioned for example, Jai when I met Tom I was like all these guys like he'd be over at my house and then he go
with all the kids and stuff
not the kids Tom inside of me he goes
we had seek some the payroll
Yeah. So the Tom's a big kid he's an adult. But But Tom This is quite weird but he was I've always been fascinated by Colts right love Colts know why they do some evil things but, but I'm like, I love the whole idea of cults how he started cold and why do people join cults? So anyway, Tom Tilly is over at my house one Friday night, and he goes on my and we're all having a good time. Every God He has made this a few legends who are looking for somewhere to party. And I said what do you mean? He goes like just some legends and make them on? Can they come over here? Or should we go next door to our place? He goes because there's about eight of them. I see now they can come. So I people walk in the door. Okay, fine. It runs having good time. And he drank music let alone anyway, about an hour it gets all my these more legends looking for some way to party. He has put these more of them as a big group. And then I said how many guys there's like 20 of them. And I was like, This is bullshit. I was like, yeah, might bring it. I was like, all I want to say 20 people walk through the door. 20 people walk through our front door. And Johnny and I were like, what the hell? And I said to someone I saw I sent it to me last night as I might be. It could be a cold later. And I said you didn't actually said that to him. Did you know so? Yeah. And I go, you know, he grew up in a cold. I said no. So then I called him I said may come over I need to talk to you about the cold. Then he told the storey It was like it not a you know, it was a very strict religious kind of situation where it was like if you question things, it was a big deal. And so I've always said until one day we need to start. Yeah, yeah.
And so how can we help?
Well, we've got the catchphrase. Yeah, that's right. And the good thing about it is you saying it about yourself before everyone else? Because usually with cold it's everyone else saying it to that? Oh, yeah. See?
That's crazy. The Daily talk show.
I'm looking forward to these cases look amazing. Hi,
boys. Thanks so much for coming on the Giovanni's Peter. And I can tell you, I'm sure Marty would agree. If anyone mentions the daily talk show here. Is there a free garlic bread? Yeah, Don, he said anyone that comes to Giovanni's pizza and mentions the daily talk show free garlic bread, and it's great garlic bread.
What's amazing is this podcast will probably be online forever. So
it's not it's not
channel now. I'll be working here is an old man. On a Friday night following my pizza boxes.
Look for the black smoking at the front.
man he rested. Thanks so much. Good
on your boys. Thanks so much.
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