#214 – Outrageous Conspiracy Theories/

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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket.

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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 214. We go into the weekend. It's a Friday. It's an afternoon.

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Late afternoon delight.

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Yeah. Don't do that ever again, you know that we could get a cease and desist. Yeah. No.

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way, the way that you said that. It just had that vibe.

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Yeah, it did. Is it is coming to the weekend. Deep. You're planning guy for a weekend? No. Yeah. Well, I mean, you Mrs. Did cancel plans that we actually had. We don't I was actually really looking forward to that. We had the would have a night had brunch. Well, we will.

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Jackie, I'm looking at my calendar. What was I Bray put shit in? Yeah, there was something going on with

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it. Me and Bry had organised to do brunch. And then we hijacked it and said we can only get the kebabs. And now we're on board. And so I've been looking at

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the kebab chat was

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oh, we said we wanted to get an ISIS bakery. That's right. We did to planning.

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First of all, this is going to be a short episode. We're going to do this. We're going to knock this off in 30 minutes. Yeah, like a dog died. It sounds like it's a fucking chore. It's not a chore. But it's five o'clock. And it's been one of those days. We've been talking all day. Yeah. We've had fucking index. Can we just talk about what the whiteboard for a second? Yeah. So you and I were talking. We we landed one of our early client jobs recently. And we're looking in like a development. And we've done development days previously with clients. But for me, they haven't felt. I haven't felt like I've brought everything to it in regards to professionalism. Like it just feels like a normal day. And I'm just talking

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Yeah. Yeah, I guess there's, there's a difference between what you need to walk away from having a chat. And this one was very much we need to walk away with something tangible, having written

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napkin Id like way it's it's like we're all going getting into a room to fucking not missing out. It's kind of really exciting. Yeah. And so when the client locked it in yesterday, for today, it was like 3pm. And I said, Well, we need a whiteboard.

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Yeah. It's the classic JJ need something last minute like a kid what was the storey of up, he'd fucking want literally a whiteboard.

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Like you need to get everything. I remember needing a whiteboard as a kid to spend, like,

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one snake, it's a children's path and Lyft the blue would an aquarium, it will be gone. I need to go it closes up for it two o'clock

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isn't always like, for whatever reason, everything I ever want is hard to get why white boards so difficult.

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They're not they're just they're online. So the thing we face was, we don't want to invest in one that is just she saw as that's accessible through office works versus the one that's online that is like four metres long and actually cheaper than the one from us works. Better take a week to get here. It was it was you find the thing when the time is very low, like last minute, then.

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But we made a decision Anyway, it was good. Because it's like, you know what, rather than I, you made a call to a place that had a warehouse or a showroom in South Melbourne? Yeah. Yeah. Which

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I thought the same. A showroom usually has a warehouse at the back that they said. How do you think you went with the phone? I think is good. I think I got through it. I think I said she was quite solution for Did you

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get the vibe that I was happy with the final cold nine,

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but I didn't care. Because you're like they sometimes. So what she said was Oh, so when you say first I said have you? Have you got any large whiteboards. And she's like, well, she said, What are you looking for? I said Lajoie, I'm

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clearly more invested in this because I know the exact exactly right. So we have a phone call. You said hi. We're wanting to pick up a whiteboard. today. Yeah. Is that possible to do from your South Melbourne? Now we're

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just a show room. We this isn't our warehouse. It's just a showroom. So all of our stuff comes out of what's it called comes out of Sydney. So take a couple of days a week to get here.

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And then what then happened because she was saying something like they could do something like the truck return what was she said?

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No, she will show when you need it. And I said, Look, we need to buy tomorrow. She's

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my business partners. Josh Janssen. Hey,

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hang on, hang on. And then she's like, no trackers already left. So there is a track I know that comes out of Sydney, that leaves before 11 or something on a weekday. And if you get it on, you can get it to you the next day. That was what she was going for. Because I've done this at last minute thing. And so she said he won't be there till Monday. So there was no no she had a solution we wouldn't have worked anyway because we needed it. I am

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and it's not good to like poke it like your business partners. I can dislike it you've just gotta roll what your point was. They might have sold a showroom floor one what this is how I would have approached it ring ring ring ring Hello whiteboards are us it was

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that was a more friendly

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is in Harlem. I believe we did say that. But for whatever reason. I think there were more corporates, the whiteboards anyway. Let's say hi. I'm needing a whiteboard by tomorrow morning. Yeah, preferably 2400 Mills long. Is there anything that you have? I understand that you just to Charlotte, had you know that because it's South Melbourne, Charlotte and it says on the website, it's just a noisy

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boys you want to call them okay, this is why because you don't want to call this is this is the thing I can't be upset colon. Yeah.

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But I don't think they had it in stock. I would I would put my money on it that they don't have the one we wanted. The huge really wide one just sitting in a showroom that they read is just part wise with it'd be drilled into a wall it'd be it like their business isn't selling Yeah. Fucking whiteboards. That's not their primary business. So we had it we we use what we had, we had a bunch of index cards, right?

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It worked out really well. The one pain point was when the client said that's like, I guess we could put them on the wall. He said, I normally use a whiteboard. whiteboard.

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If I bring that out, buddy, it hurt. Yeah,

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when you said that. But have you ever bought something where you've actually just accepted it being second hand or a showroom? Like the last?

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Oh yeah, my IKEA. There is a section that is constructed pieces of furniture that have slot marks on them. So it like very bad, like might be the side. And so I bought like things that I wouldn't have probably wouldn't have bought that. That whole thing in the first place. But it was cheap.

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And so I'll put together so it's

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all put together. You have to get it out of it. he's a he's a trick. It is a spy model or just being constructed brought back and they sort of nicked and they put it out and so you can buy cheap stuff. It's at the exit of IKEA Is that pretty Tommy system is this

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is our know, it's normally

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a walk through the whole entire joint to get to the checkout, right into the checkout. And it's in the one in Sydney in the one in Melbourne. And so they're very system they used to be a bubble pit, a bubble. What is it called a bowl pit? Yeah, at IKEA, where I used to go as a kid. And it was nice IKEA. I

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felt like IKEA is only been in Melbourne. Well, it's seven years

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now Cheltenham. Really I know they are now. No, no. So that's brand new. Now was Robin What am I saying? NEMA urban station there was one it's now a Volkswagen dealership. I have thought that the first ik was Richmond. Not it was there from when I was a child like young young playing the pulpit. I 16 hours. Why do

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I feel like I only I feel like it came around the same time as Costco. Do they have all know

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why? Because guys, I know brand new. Well that's how I say I care.

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Did they always have all the food?

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I can't remember. I was so obsessed with the ball. But I would have been a soft serve like if I did

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it because they do have soft serve everything they've got like sausages. And I think it's this. There's a real sadness in anything and Annika

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they're not. They're actually I mean, I have had at some of our Bellagio 11 I am full like salmon with mashed potato. And like grains even get like four meals in the one in Sydney describing like a jail. My

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kids it's like kitties jail as

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we German style like German right?

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From couldn't talk.

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I think different George I think

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Oh no, no nice. Sweet. We always get Sweden and Switzerland mixed up.

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Which of the more Where is IKEA? He's asking surrounded by sweden, sweden. I fucked up the question.

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I was actually expand. Yes, I Richmond. Well, you know, Sweden,

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I thought she was gonna tell us with a local bike the question, no sweat. But there is some funky Swedish styled food but it is cheap. But that's where they get you they get you into. There's a refill. I've been up I've I've been a thief. And I care because they go they give you a cap. And then it's like, you just go back for refills. So there is stuff that you can't you don't mean to have. No, I get they give me a water cap and I went to the song.

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Absolutely not. You completely stole. You've got like your barometer on what's acceptable around that stuff.

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We all have a barometer of what's acceptable was slightly different. Yours is a bit off.

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So you've had a magnet to barometer.

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Whack where it's whack. whack.

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I've been hanging out with conspiracy. Jimmy too much black. It's

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we said that. You've been Jimmy. Conspiracy, Jimmy and I've been saying that for years.

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Whack whack. Yeah.

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I don't think like I

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I'm not the time person to a gripe at the supermarket. But I haven't. I know. I'm paying for it. But you told us you were telling a storey to we had a meeting the other day. And we got into you telling a storey about a mate who found a credit card at a bar. Just paid drinks using pay wise.

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Well, this is our window. I think it was the sun function. I don't even know if is my wife back then. This was probably seven years ago, eight years ago. So he's going for the full insert press credit and sign fraud. That is I guess full fraud. He he found it on the ground when we're at the bar. This is alcohol.

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But you were telling me you were telling these people who were sort of like client level

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as it was so outrageous. It's like this outrageous dude who's just I can't. I can't even remember. I didn't say that names, but I can't remember the

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PR podcasters

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Yeah, well, I think it's a funny storey. Yeah, yeah, I

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guess I but do you saw me panicking and being like, well, just to be clear, like, I don't think that's okay.

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Yeah, well, I don't either, but I think it's a funny storey of someone who boozed onto had made a really shit call at the moment of going hang on his Bruce, my now to pay this I'm just older drinks. It's always like the circumstance everything is lined up to communicate. And you haven't said at a wanted to, or thought you'd ever do that, but he's literally gone. Hi, to vocalise insiders. Rich sees pocket look down at the moments they've looked away. He's rich downing on fact, I've said that 10 it thanks. And he's just gone right hand in the cat, just like is so circumstantial.

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Outrageous, but and I could have been a sting.

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While he ended up saying, oh, they're looking for me. If I can get out of here,

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man, I just don't want to be bothered that day.

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No, no, but I didn't think you wanted to. And he's not a bad guy. Oh, he just made a shitty coal. about something, I'm sure. But we did so many shitty things. And it was all fueled by I call

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it worried that it's going to come out.

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Nothing like life threatening. Nothing like that. Just shitty calls that just catch up to the human you want to be who you even think you are. Yeah. And so that I think that's just developing in understanding who you are. More so I can remember walking down. My might the same guy

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painting. He still he might have his

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Yeah, he's one of my best right now. And he is it conspiracy? Jimmy? Definitely not not Jimmy. He. He will not I think he would. He never got that loath. But I remember walking down King Street. And we walked past this guy who's just chomping into a souvlaki and the king. That's so funny. conspiracy. Jimmy is literally calling me right

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this minute. But his name on the phone is Batman.

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Yeah. How did you get Batman? That's another anyway, I might stop and ask these guys my storey and I give us a body of souvlaki. And then he's just like, had a match on this dude's of lackey and

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he was cool with it. The guy was going

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he didn't specify theft. But

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for people who are tuning in, which is everyone. Hi. Stick is closed. Yeah. So we'll be sending them off next week. which is exciting. It was a good round. We got some to Portugal.

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Yeah. A guy from

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Portugal, Portugal. And then we've got a guy from

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Brazil. Can't remember Portugal. Oh, nine and I Portugal was the one that we got delivered to them. We had one that Argentina.

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Yeah. Is it? I've gone Queensland. Yeah.

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All over the place. Yeah. But on the card thing to remember when I was in Turkey, and I told the storey of being told that we needed to basically pay for the hot air balloon and all of that stuff in cash. Right.

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And you went on a mission to find the cash.

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Yeah. Do you remember? Do you remember what happened?

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The money spat out or didn't spit out?

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Yeah. So I went to a ATM to get out. They said to me, basically had to get out. It was for all of our flights, accommodation, all that sort of thing for this leg of Turkey. It was like two grand. Yeah. And we thought that would just be able to pay credit card. And with during the tour, they're like, Oh, we need to take you to tour office to pay. That's like really, like, unexpected, which is fine. And so we'd like to get there and like a pay cash. It's like 2000 Australian dollars. I'm like, How the fuck, like who's carrying 2000? Australian, especially we're on we're on a four month trip, you know, just holding that sort of cash on? Say Why? They said, well, you can get it out of the ATM. So I went to an ATM and I put in $2,000. Like the putting the amount put my card in. And it said, maximum amount or something. It was like 200 bucks. I was like, okay, so I selected that. And then all of a sudden, the machine went black. And like the screen and my con came out. But it already gone through the process of saying like taking out the money or no didn't get the money. And so we looked at the counter at minus a $200 out of the account. And we thought that what had happened was what we worked on it happened was there was a power outage just at that moment, which is why it shut it down. But what we were under, we were under the impression that it was then going to basically although it was minus It was then going to pick back up and go back in a few weeks later and it wasn't easy. And so we had to then contact IMG. This was back in when was it August think? And it took them like 60 days or like 40 4050 days to do a whole investigation and they finally gave us the money back.

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And did they tell you at all what what happened? Yeah,

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no, but we ended up being able to get the money because I was like two grand I think like when I had the issue with it saying the $200 limit I'm like I'm not even gonna be able to get to it 2000 out Yeah. And the guy ended up I ended up remember I was on our TV back because I tried to ITV ITV at Embry gave me so much shit because he said I gotta go on the ATV to go get money out. And then I gave him the card. Like she was getting on the back. So I which I thought I can't remember the rationale but I ended up going and being able to get the two grand. I just thought okay, you get your money back. Yeah, talking about ATM cards and stuff

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with World fact did

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you think about it for the rest of the trip? We you now know sort of like Bry looked after contacting IMG

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because issues Haven't I remember going to a shop. Putting my card through be wouldn't work be like it was he's like yeah, there's nothing on the card. Man there's cash on the card.

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I'm a fucking

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rock rolling in debt. Now I was like that is such a scam that you could easily just like my wife the scam you could and I didn't actually happen but I was I was on to it. That that can you could be paying on cod and going that it's not working. Like you get all cash now. So you pay twice know what I've had it?

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No, we did. We did have that word went through like three. We did like three transactions and then paid cash and all of the transactions appear. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. So it does. It does happen. But they ended up disappearing after a while though. All just pending. And for whatever reason they didn't go through. But yeah, well, let's get like I definitely have had the I've had to reshoot get rich reshoot. Kant's. Yeah. Having someone fucking spending a grand on Expedia.

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Back to planning at your weekend or having things on the weekend. I will be talking this week about having something free, like the difference between free time and actually how people are happy when they're working. Versus within?

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I did in the storey remember where I That's right. It was like free time. Yes. But yes. When I learned how to write Yeah,

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yeah. Learn how to use it. Great. Yeah. And circle things.

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You're reading deep work.

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Yeah. I've been thinking that bet that quite a bit. Because there's a there's a thought that

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you have to read. You just gotten into Josh? Yeah, literally. That's how I've read the whole

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book just by Josh posting every time.

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Well, you are really highlighting certainly the good bits against the things that make you think so You did a good one. Because I was thinking about like going into a weekend. And when I have nothing planned. And then how what I actually do and how fulfilling it is. And I think there is definitely a case to be saved fill my life that when I've got nothing planned. Sometimes you just end up fucking wasting Yeah. Not as great as what I think my free time. And just I want nothing to do. Yeah, that's saying I want to be rigid. I like fluidity. And, you know, making last minute decisions. Basic constraints, though. Good, but maybe that is and so booking in a few things.

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Yeah. Well, I think just having we were talking about the complexity of partners, partners getting new to do stuff. And it was specifically around the beans with Bray. And so we were we were housesitting, and Bry made the mistake of we were walking in to the place that will have sitting at the time this was a few days ago. And she said as we work, we had a really big day. And she said, it's your turn to take the bins out. And what it for whatever reason I had so much resistance to the idea because she had taken away my autonomy to show. What's it What's a code when you do something without someone asking initiative initiative? Yeah, she took away my initiative and instals I don't really want to do it now. Haha, can you? Can you relate to that? Yeah,

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I can in some respects. I mean, it's it's a very interesting example based around the being.

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And so I said to her, and I said, and the pushback that break gives is because I've said it before, I'm like, if I have a to do list, like if it's on my to do list or in my calendar, I'll do it. And she's like, I'm not putting the second beings in each calendar are on you to do list. I'll tell you and you remember, a better real hard ass about it.

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Do you think you would have remembered? Like, as much as you pushing back on her say, but if she didn't say it, and the

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way it meant was the only reason she remembered is because we walked past it. So the system is not working. Yeah, but what have you remembered it? Was you thinking I actually wouldn't have remembered but the thing is that if we had the conversation, where at the beginning, I feel like we need a specific time, where we sit down and say, This is the chores, this is what we've got to do. Yeah, and there's no surprises because on that day, we've done all these other things I didn't really want to do. And I said to Brian, like if I'd known that I had to do the beans. Yeah, I would have maybe it changed things like the it was just gonna say is very child mindset. Because I remember I remember if I can tell you to do the dishes, not I remember feeling like that. And the annoyance and maybe bring triggered to be in my Can you empty the dishwasher? Or I could have but now can

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I remember the the outrage in me? And that's

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why I said debris. I'm like, it's a classic thing. It's like Don't treat me Don't act like my mom and then stop acting like talk. I mean, what do you what is the worker? What's the heck is it me just like in growing up,

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but he's the theme to get to the other side. And sometimes there is like, like annoying conversations and a no and the her annoying you in that way because you fucking will learn. you've submitted a moment now in time where you gave so much pushback, and it triggered you so bad. We're talking about on our podcast, that maybe you won't forget that shit. Well, the thing there is some positivity in being told. And you then getting pissed off unless you fully go the other way. Well, I got really excited fucking

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living in mess. No, well, I was really proud of myself because my initiative for the following days got really good. So I was like, You know what, like, look what happens when you don't say anything. You know? Yeah.

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Yeah. And the funny thing is to boy,

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he's learning with this. Like, I was just things like when we're looking after Archie, the dog. And

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I went upstairs, me embrace getting ready for us

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his wife, you

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know, he was you know, getting ready upstairs and I just said, you know, I've taken Archie for a shit and given him some food. Yeah, I couldn't help but have a big fucking grin on my face. And she looked at me she does a good job. She did she did she say Do you want a pat on the back? You want to stick?

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Put a star on the chalk. I

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bring it.

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She's like, okay, three minutes. Three, just three minutes frame. So what's most beer for barefoot?

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barefoot for families reference? Yeah, so that's, I need to get better at that shit.

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Yeah, I mean, the way you've described it, I'm sure people

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thinking I'm a fucking a child.

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It's a massive char behaviour.

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It's certainly I feel like Bodie will be there pretty soon between that and the whiteboard have I painted myself as a bit of a

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maybe

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maybe I'm yeah, no but out of the UK. A bit of a quick thank you a bit of a quick I will tell you how. This is the thing. I received a call before from conspiracy Jimmy and easy My phone is Batman. And this is he's been Batman in my phone for sorry long you're gonna say why seven years. This girl an ex girlfriend of mine had my phone and she's I taught was she was with humans I think was our Let's change your name. What do you want to be called? And he said Batman. And so it's Batman then he soon that's good inside every time but I have to fucking say cold Batman can I'm talking to Siri.

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foggy is that Robin? You're a

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bit we were speaking a conspiracy Jimmy this morning. Can I just say how outrage I mean? Yeah, some pretty crazy shit.

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The one that says what he was into

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and he's like, you know what? Like, you guys just laugh like he was there was a moment of him get getting a bit upset about it where he's like, Yeah,

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well, this is not definitely not upset.

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You know what he's sort of like Well, you're not much of a big thing right? Because all you do is laugh at me kind of say my opinion. I'm I was fucking dumb. And the big one that got me was the the telephone number and he's his brother. He his brother and got a missed call from conspiracy Jimmy and his brother Cole's Jimmy bat him back. And can we say Jimmy's brother's name we just say see too, so we're not giving too much of the family tree away. Yeah,

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he's lifted. Just calling chat he's left the review on our

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maybe share that yeah. So char calls Jimmy and says Hey, man, I got you miss call and Jimmy's on now. Man. I've been napping and I had it on aeroplane mode.

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Yeah, that's a key point. He had his phone on aeroplane mode, which

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means you receive zero calls, but then he jumped to. So I've worked out that someone must be spoofing my number. Yeah. And trying to fucking scam chat. But he was dead to like, there was no laugh. There was no like he was 100% serious. And so spoofing is where hijacking you can

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hijack Sam is there is a theme right? Raven? Hi, Jackie. Hi, Jackson was number two, then make

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calls out of that number. hijacking seems full on you literally, like in the software, putting the number that you want to appear on someone's what's that cold? caller ID Yeah, yeah. And so you think 00 chance he's got an Apple Watch. I said, mate, you just tap something on your Apple Watch. He says I don't have Syria enabled.

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I don't think conspiracy. You're not a conspiracy theorist if you're not getting pushback. So he, I mean, he fits our narrative for him to be dishing out these things, and then you giving pushback on him. So you got to think about that. So

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should I say to him, I think you're right.

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No, but I think that I think that there is people that have had conspiracy theories that have become the like, legit it's the truth is the truth or it is what how it happened. And so when I know this is a problem with people who go hard on conspiracy theories all the

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time because there's not that many like how many conspiracy theories actually get up as truth?

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Yeah.

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I'd love we should just get him on to talk about we should change his voice because some of the things I wonder food is hard. Nobody ever told enough of his identity to like the stuff around thinking that shootings in the US are coming false flags

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what No, there is here's the also the issue that when you a conspiracy theories quite deep with the cold the conspiracy, it's a theory that is very lying, that when regurgitated, can be caught. So you defending defamatory? Nobody hundred percent because there is a thought around some of the shootings in the US done by the anti gun lobbyists who want zero guns I can't into if I can cry, but there is a connexion because you see the outcome. I'm not I'm not a I'm not a part of that theory that I see that they can be. And you'd be silly to not think that it is possible in the slightest. Like, if there is a percentage chance of something being a thing where the anti gun lobbyists say, Okay, well, if there's shootings, then people say, we don't want guns after that. So it's a thing that we could do that gets the fucking total up, not saying it's true. And sometimes it could be Do you

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think it's harmful to make that a conversation being like, this person shows up this sort of thing? I actually think that he's been is it being planted on him and it's actually an inside job or it's the fuckin it's the it's the anti gun lobby been

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happening, like things like, inside jobs, and the thing about inside jobs and it's like, for the person that is a part of assisting if it's true, they can lobbyists. You know, and and a shooting happening. Did the person who did the shooting know that that's what they're a part of, and that and that's what I always go to, does the person who's helping this terror attack know that they are actually a part of it, but it's like an inside job in the government isn't

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really good. Why isn't that just like, completely missing the point, which is, someone used a gun to kill a bunch of people may be, we should be looking not only at the people that shoot with the guns, but also access to the guns.

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Which it is it's it is thought

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it feels like the literacy theory can completely dismantle this man. Yeah,

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but I just think it's another way of approaching it. I mean, there's some fucking it right? Just wants I'm not saying that. That's not like the Sandy Hook shooting was fake.

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Think that's true. But they said he, he goes so deep into these things, and I don't, I don't.

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So what he's thought is, and I will defend him because he's my best way. He realised he looks into things looks into information that isn't held up by mainstream media that isn't promoted, like the it is, this is a different narrative.

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That is just a different narrative. But it's, I guess it's some there's almost a push at the moment that mainstream media, like the narrative that pushing isn't true, and that we can't believe and I think that that because,

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yeah, if your reaction is just because it's mainstream means it's not true. Why? I don't agree with that. I do think there is a lot of bullshit and agenda driven responses and agenda driven news outlets, of course. Yeah. Listen, listen to him Kevin rod on the tutor advocate. It's super interesting. He's not like, he was just talking about the power of Murdoch. And he's pretty fact he goes pretty hard on Murdoch. It's like well, they didn't want me in there. So this is what they did. is brutal Kevin,

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yeah. If you can take those bits and then sigh I think that the shootings we're inside jobs anyway. I don't know it's that's why it's why conspiracy Jimmy is always interesting to me but it's why we need to you know that if you say conspiracy Jimmy popping into the office. Yeah. And I'll start talking 45 minutes go by Yeah. And then I thought okay, well, you know, maybe let's we'll just disagree on this Trump thing.

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amount of times I've walked away Well, there you go. Josh.

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is down a rabbit hole. It's very true. Everyone. I like it The what? It gives you the energy talking about these things and getting in debate. This is why you fucking love it. Like I feel even just trying to get in the mindset of a conspiracy theorists. I kinda like it.

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I feel the energy. I don't know if it's a good energy. It's a daily talk show. high cortisol. High at the daily talk. show.com. Monday, Gemma watts is in the building. glow journal is her podcast. You should listen to it before we have her on Monday. Everyone will see you then, guys.