#780 – Optics, Almonds & Asthma with Toni Lodge/
- July 4, 2020
Toni Lodge – Host of One Trick Toni
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– How to fix a twitchy eye
– An iPhone emergency alarm
– Finish the proverb
– Josh’s word at the moment
– Swallowing l’s
– Getting into radio
– Using social media
– Qantas plane hoax
– Admin and OCD
– Radio and content teams
– Going too far and self-deprecating humour
– Going to the psychologist
– Stories and narrative building
– From the notes
– Living anywhere in the world
– Work and career
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 780 large Welcome to the studio.
Thanks for having me. How
Good how are you? Well,
yeah, yeah, really good. How I how are you Josh?
I'm crying. I'm really good. Um, my eyes twitching twitching of eyes.
Yeah, hang on. We I didn't know like you seem like a real jokester. I would love it if you said and then the next day he's eating almonds and then you're like, no joke. I was fucking just I came up with a word. I was joking when I said I don't
want to deal with the audience. I don't know.
I had a twitchy eye and my music teacher miss you.
And she said, Oh, I'm in switchyard. That'd be really good. And I've just said it to everybody ever since. It is
awesome. The here, I'm actually going to look it up and it's because they're high in magnesium, okay. And jumpy is triggered by magnesium, magnesium, I mean, but is being tired. Like is that when your magnesium is depleted because I feel like you
are just tired I could actually do, but we know if I have too much magnesium, I actually got woken up a lot of vinyl. I got woken up by my own erection once due to having too much magnesium is that thing.
I wonder if you have magnesium sensitive like people?
I am somewhat sensitive guy.
No, because some people are like, like, I have a little sweet coffee, and they're flying. So there's just a real sensitivity and then some of the other way. I don't feel like I feel like I would need something like Viagra to get make
your eyes. No, no. That's the
to any sort of
good guys wow way Yeah, sorry smart level here. That's good. I mean it's I'm Miranda Kirsch she does lemon water. Do you have any any rituals that you do every single day? Every single time?
Just try and get out of bed.
What time do you get up
at like 430 for work? So
it's 430 in the morning Okay, so try
to like a What is it like him OPT? What do they call it like an
amateur? No. Like a life hack is just optimising their life but they've got a title. It's like, productivity expert. Yeah, that kind of thing. I was listening and he was like, you know, salt in water with lemon. I'll put your phone in the slide for you. But it was all just it just seemed boring
if I took my phone in the other room I have anxiety because I was like oh my alarms in so I can't check it. I go to bed.
That's the example he gave and then it was like, right you know radio alarms are only 20 bucks to get it yeah
to get one for commercial.
What was going on? You know those old alarms how the guy
off? Oh god, I can't think of anything worse.
He's a little hack. Do you know, if you're like walking in the street you're not feeling safe. What would you do if you were in a situation where strain strain is so a little hack that I told Bray about is about the size button. Yeah, amazing. And so what you do is all you do is you press the side the power button so actually if I'm walking on my own, and there's a lot of junkies around, I don't feel safe. If you press it a bunch of times the power button it goes into And emergency mode and it calls triple zero
Yeah, and it uses your GPS to ping them really? Yeah,
why don't you where you are and it's really loud like I feel like that would be something that well yeah no
because if there was someone coming at you and not that like signal noise happened that you would shoot yourself Yeah, surely. I mean, I'm not a rapist but I
would be scared if you think
you had a game changer. Yeah,
so I'm the game guy.
Hang on I need some more
Do you know what a proverb is?
Yeah, like full seven times stand up eight oh yeah.
full sevens that's like ah and actually don't do
that again for me
full seven times stand up eight. That's that's a proverb right? That is a example
of a proverb. I don't know can I do one? Well, I've got what can you finish the proverb like there's a bunch that that lace kind of like, Trixie, you're like that I have to think what's going on there? Yeah. Um, so this is the the game is I'll start the sentence and you can finish it. Finish the profit. You good?
Yeah real men a
lot of sex.
Okay, a penny saved. Finish is a penny earned. Yeah. dollar
penny saved is a penny earned
you don't earn money though you save money well barefoot would have something else to say his splurge account.
Well, he says the quickest way to make money is to save is to save money sounds like how can you get a discount on?
It's really boring to be honest. Yeah.
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
spoil the broth. Yes. Yeah. What's your face you like really? What's going on? Just went in the middle of okay.
Love makes sense. House
grow stronger. A home yeah good one JB you
pay on a vinyl sticker
Do you have any magnets on your sticker? Sorry
one that says living the dream not mine somebody else's
which is just sad
bills because we gave it to you What does that person or did you buy?
No, I think we got it sent to us at work and I was like, Oh, that's a huge magnet. I'll cut that up and make little magnets that just
looks at a big magnetic fields because like I realised like when I was a kid, I feel like there would be bills all over the fridge. Yeah. Not nothing on our fridge a bills. Yeah, amen.
Yeah, you don't pay any bills anymore.
I've got a bill in my fridge. Really? Is it what sort of Bill water bill and I wrote paid on it and underlined it.
And I just nice kills real adult to have a bill on the fridge
because you hate Did you pay for It was a shit well i i
pay for that everyone pays me like 30 bucks for the month of what it really costs you seven you get 30 from
here yeah it is better to have loved and lost
than to never have loved at all Got it?
Is that from it's good that's a beautiful one that's like an Ariana Grande I so
yeah, that's how I knew it.
No, no. All these fair
in love and war.
Yeah. No that is because I haven't heard of
yeah they all say so you're good at trivia.
No, no not very smart just good at jokes. Which isn't what this is
proverbs every man's home
whenever you man time you take this one is another is another man's treasure
old school. If the shoe fits, wear it. Got it.
I don't know why a woman's work.
Here we go should be in the kitchen
is never done.
What does that mean? woman's? when the going gets tough, the tough.
My soccer coach
loved it. really loved it. Yeah.
I love the word lethargic. Boys you being a bit lethargic.
It's like get onto a new word and your word at moments Josh Can anyone guess what his word is? Because you can't like it. You got you suck. You're very cyclical in your sort of vocab. And then what drops off is the stuff that you probably want to have. I reckon I've got it. Okay, here we go. hyperbolic. No, no, that's been a previous but I think it's stuck. There was definitely a time was
not what is it amalgamation?
That's a good way ambiguity. I say. They do love him. Yeah.
And the nice
if he got it tiny I'd be fucking
No, no, it's not big and it's quite simple but you've definitely been flaunting it. Yes, I
know TJ does a bit of cathartic Yeah. cathartic? Yeah. I like that. What's the what's the word for blow up? Not like I'm
not fuckin it's like fuming
when you haven't been doing right before, yeah,
the example would be. Look, I was I was going to you can't even say it yet. Yeah, no, no, no, I don't know, the optics aren't good on this one. And it's
like, Outlook or like literally the optics, the optics,
it's a very payoff.
Do you know can you even explain what you think that means? Because I had to. It took me about 10 times of accepting it and then just working out. I feel like I was really dumb. It's a simple word, but how would you describe what is it?
Mainly if you said to me all the objects aren't good on that one. I would probably think that you were saying it. Like all the outlooks not good luck. Oh, that's not looking good. Like I probably wouldn't be using it literally in telling me about the optics of something, which is the way that it looks, I guess, like the
Yeah, that's it. So it's like how people are viewing. It is
the optics Yeah, I can stop saying it.
No, I just Where did you get it from? Because you get these things. You read a book and it's in there.
The I got, I got ticks at the moment. I think that like with What like with the the US and everything's around? optics, like I think, especially within sort of the political scene they're using that they're doing, but they're also doing a lot in regards to optics. So it's like, this is a really good, good for optics. So for instance, how about us, Australian us? I saw Donald Trump going to that church or whatever, like it wasn't for optics, but it was a horrendous,
I think, is lost in people optics listening to
like I optics. So an example would be, so if I was to do an optics and also for instance, it could be TJ posts something I really can't and that really, yeah. optically, it's not right.
Yeah, I get I get that so
that's like the eyes on you because you're always using it like, what are the optics on the daily talk show though? What are people thinking which you could just say what are people thinking about the daily talk show,
but the I never say what is The optics on the daily talk show, I was giving an example.
I did you just realise how fucking went Yeah, I get it.
So I got cathartic from Rhys Mitchell. Really? Which, yeah, I think it's it's Thomas. I'm like Sonic. Body. Yeah. Have you got any words and yet like you're so you're so you're working at kiss with Jason PJ and the crew is there
that's which the show is called. It sounds like it's
gonna be a better shot.
Is there any words flying around the team? That sort of specific to that Friendship Circle or working moment? Nothing that
not no specific words we just make fun of Jase like so there'll be funny words that he or like terms of phrase turns of phrase that you'll use wrong, like, you know how it's like Case in point not casing points. Like that. So that's normally what fly around with us. Well, yes, real bullying just bullies just
walk away with it yet.
Yeah. When you're on the money Jessie's So what was it in? I used to say, in the walls, like, and I just thought you're bumping into the walls and you're injured.
It's in the wars in the war.
I mean, it's a very just modern day in the war wars because they're not in war. Some people are sorry if you are. But yeah, that was my one and people used to pull me up on that shit.
Well, it's I swallow my owls. Okay.
Do you know what that means? No. So JB, can you explain it your mom brought it up? Yeah.
And speaking Oh, she actually messaged me after the Erica show. And she said Josh says small like small instead of small, small.
That's a Victorian thing though is
this is what will Victorians swallow their heels from now
on from w
No we're Batson Ws reliable lattice dating a person not. Oh,
Not for a while it was personality.
Yeah, we probably
probably went to school. So yeah, no, I I swallow my house. So an example would be, I fixed it. And so I used to say millions, millions now you should have it fixed
and fixed. And at that moment I realised that I want you to be the guy that doesn't say millions, right? Yeah, like I just wanna. I think your voice is great. I love it pronounced. I think it sounds more dumb when you say that. It makes
you guys like millions. Yeah. The other one. What else? Oh, there's millions, literally millions, millions is 1 million. Cool camellia
chameleon chameleon in
there any sort of words that people who say funny or any sort of
I don't think so. I mean they're definitely I like to be called things by others and not togs
dogs Sydney swimming with hogs
anything that's caught out this Jason PJ show with mentioned like getting something wrong like I can imagine suburbs you could call it Berwick conserve berry like that we
have a lot and because we only have one person on our team that's actually from Melbourne. So say I fix my Melbourne now I sound like I'm from Melbourne. How did you used to say it? Well, Melbourne. Like you're from Melbourne, you just say Melbourne
Victoria. You guys say al?
Well, Ben, if you said if you said the word
element, say element element.
Yeah. element. Oh element. Oh, yes, I
use it say element element. Lamb a hottie. Oh,
okay. l, but then if you said if I said What the hell? You'd say What the hell?
Yeah. What the hell? Yeah. Yeah. It's really fucked up, isn't it? Because you realise it. I got this so many things that I've been saying wrong. Australia is the other one. So I used to cite Australia, Australia, Australia. And so now I say, Australia.
You fucked it up in a different place than other people do. So like I would say, like Australia, which is, which is pretty common. Yeah, but you say, Australia, Australia.
Australia. Yes, really? Try something not Australia, Australia.
Australia. Welcome to Australia.
You gotta just do do you right.
Okay. It's hard to switch it up. Yeah. Like when it hasn't been a real problem. It's not a problem. Now. Is it? I think
it's not so fine.
I'm only mildly offended.
What? What was it like for you to enjoy? So,
um, it wasn't actually so bad like so I was working from home and I work breakfast hours. So I'm up at 430 or five and finished work by like 12 or one o'clock and then I just sat on the couch that got pretty old that did get pretty old. Do you watch TV or like what? Yeah, watch TV and like got books on my iPad and things like that, like so I was trying to raid and like, do all the things that went just watching TV cuz I mean, everybody's in the same boat. Like you just get fucking sick of watching TV. Like there's only so many terrible points you can take and like, how many times can you re watch Gossip Girl?
So it's trying to get back on the boat thing very quickly. I heard it quite saying or I mentioned profit, profit. It could be a proverb. It's um, we're not on the same boat. We're all in different boats in the same state. Pull enhancing. You thought that was very funny. Was it that kind of a joke was from me, wasn't it? You said that you just said that might enhance. Yeah. laughs like it came from someone else. Does this
Ya know, cuz like the idea being that it's like for so. So my apartment which you've criticised me previously about flexing my apartment,
it's very fancy. It's like floor to ceiling windows
needs that but in a small apartment, it's easy to do, right because the floor and the ceiling not far away,
but like because it's in your bedroom, right? Yep. So
I've asked the same questions like
what you just like walking from the shower to your bed to like get into your jammies or like doing it in the john with the girlfriend, then
I think I am like, literally blind
you press the button it does send an electric signal to the frosted Yeah. Oh, that's real fancy shit Steve. But anyway,
Steve, like a Steve Jobs
as Bob Jenkins told
me exist you know so I was just saying the you're banging a different button on it so do you do you have a nice place to be able to enjoy and sit on the couch and
yeah, I mean it's not a huge like we've just got a two bedroom apartment but it's only my boyfriend and I so it's not as if we've got like house nights we had to deal with or anything like that. And we've got a pretty big balcony as well. So I like you know, you could sit outside and have a coffee and it didn't feel like you were inside the whole time. The The only thing I lament is that I don't have a bath
job. Ah, nothing. I think
this is a bomb. I mean, it's crucial. I wouldn't give a shit about them but for baby. Really? Yeah.
it's actually it's great is getting kids into the shower is the best
way to get you a radio your radio person do you like it now you don't go on radio today?
No not really. It's funny like, because like I kind of got into radio by accident. So I started working with all these people that were like, Oh, well you would know so and so and blah blah. And remember 12 years ago when this happened? I was like, Nah, like I'm so not from this world to get into. I was studying sound engineering at wapa NWA sits there Western Australian Academy Performing Arts. Where
are you? Jackson
Jackson was there.
Yeah, Lucy j rock.
Some big names.
And so you so what is the scent? What would you call it a sound engineer? Yeah.
Yep. So I studied sound engineering and it was like, so it's all audio production, but it's based in theatre and live. So like live music and doing musical theatre and stuff. And I wanted to do that. And then someone called me and they were like, Oh, this is job going and SCA like, I think it'd be really good for it. And I was like, how bad could it be? Yeah, I'm working on calls. Like, I probably rather do that. So yeah. And then I call
this radio. I believe they
do really well. A bit of a bomb. You can stream it online. It's pretty
sure the winning formula is just music.
Yeah. Well, the reason why that is they are actually number one in the digital Yes, because they're on every store. It's a way of them getting around the App Store and pay PCI stuff. I believe licencing
it's a little tidbit. Talking about tidbits is a tidbit tidbit,
ti de bi ti
tidbit basic. Anyway, I am I was watching a x now I want to find out about this audio thing quickly so so what is one audio engineer? Yep, you're doing like we're doing Pro Tools and ship them.
So I learned all the basics of Pro Tools and using all of their like audio bass like da w software and stuff. And it was also about like, how you would set up a live show like mixer band live. Work with radio microphones on a theatre show. So using like 20 radio microphones and stuff like that like which is really really cool. I mean, battery tips. How do you keep that amount of wireless? No, just fresh batteries every show. Don't use rechargeables is basically the Oh really? Yeah, really. That's I mean, they're a lot better now. Like I think they get better all the time, but they just And they say like on the little bar charge thing like, oh, fully charged, but fuck with
this guy because there's the head microphones and stuff. So they put them in their hair so you don't see them.
Yeah, so like, it's like a lapel microphone that they put through their hair or under a wig and it sits there instead of it being like, they're like the Madonna microphone that goes over your ears
looks like a small growth just at the forehead. Yeah. And some actually come down onto the skin. bizarre. It's really bizarre.
It's um, it's really good spot because like the way that you project when you're singing, because it's normally used in musical theatre, the way that you project like it's actually like a really good point to
Yeah, well, yeah. Which you wouldn't think like, you would think that that would be awful. But should we start using it
on the show? I guess?
You could dance at the same time.
Can you sing?
Yeah. What sort of singing I studied opera when I was at school.
Yeah. So studying opera. Is that at high school? Yeah.
So that's like the music discipline that you would use. Yeah. So like I did, I was in the choir and stuff. And then when I got a bit older though, like, Oh, I reckon you'd be really good at that because I do like classical music and contemporary music at school.
So like Christmas carols. What can you do Christmas carols? Yeah,
who can't Oh, should we release a Christmas
album? Because that is my dream. I would love for So Mr. 90. So did you do? Well, you were I did probably like six months of the Australian Boys Choir.
Oh my god. What?
Would you have Arman's with him?
I would have been sorry.
for you for so
little Oh, I can't talk about I'm saying
you're fine. so and so. And so is there a difference between like, say the opera stuff? Does that mean like what did you learn Italian or anything to
it was just like the and so you learn you're given like the manuscript that's got like the Italian underneath it and then they often give you like a rough translation so that you know what you're saying, you know, just saying like I love Tron or something. And but I didn't learn Italian It was just that you do, like so you workshop a certain piece that you're given to the point where you are very aware of like pronunciation and the way that like you should or shouldn't like roll your eyes or whatever. So like, obviously Italians really different to German, which is really different to Latin. So the way that I would read that as like a disgusting English speaker is obviously totally different how it actually needs to come across.
So it's almost like you need to put on an accent when you're speaking Yeah.
You right like, but it's like how much like pop singer sound American even if they're like all the you're like European or something they all sound the same. Yeah. Well Shakira when she
heard this, sometimes she's singing where she sounds. You wouldn't know that she has a thick accent. Yeah,
Love to hear
you on so much on social media.
Like social media. Like, I can't.
Sorry. That was like, do you like Tick Tock and stuff? Like I feel like you're a sceptical person I've tried.
Yeah, I've posted probably like six videos on Tick Tock. They have not gone well.
What sort of vibe What are you doing?
I just tried to be funny. I I've missed the funniest Tick tock, which I thought was hilarious. And it did sheer. Well, I found Yeah, who's the guy that plays Batman,
which was done by
Christian bow. I found out that
I literally think is the funniest thing I've ever seen. And I made I found out that he's Welsh. Yeah. And I was like imagine he's
like, I'm bought
literally thought that was the funniest thing in the world
and did not do well. I've always said it Tom Hardy's English as well. And there's a bunch of actors that are all doing so well. I'm gonna sound like a dummy I don't know. Well, does that mean is that different countries?
You've never seen governance Stacey
No, I don't watch much anything in Scotland Wales. Yep. UK, Welsh, I think.
I think it is UK from the UK. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. JOHN,
maybe not the new UK maybe as I Brexit it. Oh, let's not get
Yeah, and so. Do you watch. Tick Tock is
Yeah, I love tic Tock I probably won't watch it for a while and then it will be like a week or two and then I'll time sink like an hour catch into yeah and then because you just scroll through it like you guys watch Tick Tock sometimes Yeah, like you just said it's
um cuz I only
actually we need to connect a using that like they're getting used to like login via Twitter or Instagram or whatever and they've removed that so you need to really create like a password. Just just a fun fact.
I like I've lost I've lost connection to my eBay in Vegas it was through fake Oh really? Fucking silly.
Are you a traveller? Do you go to many places? What's your Um,
I've been to Japan a couple of times. I went to Europe with my mom when I was like 14 which was awesome. But as an adult like cuz I left school and I went straight to uni. So and then I started working radio so I've got no money. So I haven't done As an adult, but now that we're kind of settled here because we've been in Melbourne for two years now so my boyfriend followed me from Perth to Bumbry and Rachel wy where I started working in radio to Sydney and then here, he came with me to real love story and we even Bunbury beautiful. When was Ron john there? No, just me steam. Yes, me steam. My
travel and so the travel thing. Sorry. And so the travel the travel thing, so domestically, like Sydney, Melbourne, like a different like living in the different areas. Yeah. He's Melbourne, like, where does it write? Well, I
much prefer Melbourne. When I first met my boyfriend, we both wanted to end up in Melbourne. And when I saw working in radio, I was like, it's really far away like that's probably not gonna happen for a while. And then I got really lucky and yeah, ended up here like really quickly. I love it here like we lived in Sydney for six months. And then I got offered the job with Jason PJ down here and I love it like, and it's quite similar to Perth. Like it's very friendly, it's a bit more laid back like pretty coat tree and like lots of good food and places to walk and do stuff whereas Sydney I just found like, super intense that people were pretty rude. Like driving on the road was terrifying. Everybody was like super, like fucking aggressive on the road, which like is just not what you like. Like, you try to look at Google Maps you try and like get around and you realise that you've just paid $50 in tolls because you've gone on the wrong side of the road or whatever, like, it's too much.
It is the you know, the Sydney thing I feel like it's not just a CBD thing either. Like I think like it's I guess I've got all their like suburbs feel very separated and shit like that. Yeah.
And it's just very cliquey and like most people that you talk to that uh, from Sydney, a lack that as well. I mean, like so I asked like Part of sigma. Like it's not, it's not like Oh, cool. You're from Sydney. It's like, Oh, well. I don't even know what that means, but I'm just like, I hope I don't say that I am if it's bad, like,
Sydney is huge, though. Like, there is a big difference in Melbourne. You've got like, he loves it. I love it. I bet I know my wife is though. I don't know which part Yep, knockoff.
I know she's from not the listener. is where's she from?
Tell us Castle Hill tune Gabby what straight?
Doing Gabby. Don't love it. from the north, maybe the West. Now West is like Punchbowl isn't it? I don't think
you have to do then.
I never understood that.
Got my wife. No, it's It's very like it's got the city and then you've got you've got power matter it said it's another city. Like if you go to power mountain like is that the Shire? No, no, that's that's like down the coast. What's
that? No, not so
much. Well, we call it the chorus line and then you follow it down.
is the shot. Down on the tower Matta is we went there Josh. I can't remember she went we filmed the WWE. But it's like, it's like a fucking city. It's like we don't have anything like that. Like Melbourne is very small. Sydney is more like London. Like the intensity of it's so big and there's so many people,
but not as cool.
Yeah, well shit public transport in Sydney. Yeah, expensive.
Really. Alright, get better, better,
better Melvin's got great public transport. Much better. Thank you for your
great Driving. Yeah,
there's a train that goes to the airport. There's no train that goes to the airport in Melbourne. That's, I mean, there isn't makeup everything will make such a huge trams the same day
trying to get to the airport in Sydney that was like, $40 $40 No,
I used to do it all the time. How much was that? $19 Hmm, Y Okay. Oh, yeah. I've just got a couple. The, the skybox we've done that I think it's
like 17 bucks. Why
is it oldest but I spent it Yeah. By the differences public versus what?
Yeah, private versus private. Whereas like, you know, vicroads is doing that. Well.
I've been getting into I don't watch that much TV but I was getting I've been getting into YouTube like short documentaries.
Do you know do you know what happened in the 50s? About a quarter heist? What would you do? What's a heist? To find a heist? What is
it like a bank heist train like
stealing Rob Ryan?
Like taking over not just a robbery like if I can.
Yeah. So did you see what happened with cuantas in the 50s? Are you gonna tell us about? Well, I will and then sibs will back it up by linking it on Google. So there was a basically cuantas got a call. Now, okay. The plane that's currently going to I can't remember what part of Asia but it was flying. It has a bomb on it. The bomb will go off if you slow down. No. If you go if you go Tom Cruise No, you If it goes below a certain amount of face like it goes under a certain amount of movie. And so basically
that they will descend.
Yeah, exactly. And they were told to go to a locker in the airport and in the airport, there was a replica of the bomb. They're asking for $550,000 in cash.
They could have asked for more than that. All right.
50s 1971 this was the raven plains.
When did I did commercial flights?
What year did Amelia Earhart die? That'll help us when
did the Wright brothers invent the plane?
That's not commercial. I've got that book. I should read it. Anyway.
My whole book 1954 quanta started. Jeff watts. Yeah, so anyway, 70s 70s That's right. So anyway, so now They go to a locker where the guy that his name was Mr. What was his name serves David Cooper know that Mr. Brown Mr. Brown? Yeah definitely call himself Mr. Brown he said go to the locker, open it up they see the the bomb. And what they do is they cut the the wire and there's like a an altitude monitor so it will tell you what altitude the planes at. And so they actually cuantas got the device This is whilst the plane is still in the air, get get the device, they go into a plane, and they rewired the bomb. So they put a light bulb on there. And so they basically wanted to see whether if they actually went below that. What's it called elevation altitude, thank you. If it would go off. And so they do it the light goes off and like so they Oh yeah. And so they pay. So the guy comes to the app. bought in like a coffee then type of thing combi or coffee then combi economy becomes yummy. So I could come be then yeah. And gets the $550,000 the guys wearing a fake beard. Anyway, they they do that they they then get a call from him and he's like there's no bomb by the way. And so they only had 15 minutes of fuel left and they landed back in Sydney. So they basically did a roundabout way. But I thought that was a fucked up story that never heard of before. That's crazy.
Yeah. And did they catch this? So?
Yes, they did. They they ended up doing Yeah, they caught him because he was spending the cash meridian ridiculous wise. He was a guy from England. Yeah, they found him so he literally walked into the airport. They gave him the cash. They let him know he was in the combi van with the fake beard with the fake beard. And so there's actual photos. There's fucking photos of him, collecting them up. Have they? They got it in cash. They went to Commonwealth Bank and got the cash out.
There was an online.
Can I come to the front and then there's some old granny with five cent pieces like this. I'm
like, Are you good at admin?
Yeah, I am. I love to be organised. Yeah, yep. I was probably part of like, OCD, Brian.
You actual Yeah. I would say Damn,
I just get I just have a lot of OCD triggers like, so I wouldn't say that. I like it's debilitating.
Have you ever gone to a therapist or something about it? Yeah,
yes. Yeah. And it's basically just like monitoring it and not letting myself like letting it but like so at nighttime, I'll set my alarm. And then I'll check it six times. No more, no less. And then I'll check it pick it up. Again. I'll check it three times and then I put it back down. Then I check it again three times. And then probably But yeah so I kind of like that and it's not always numbers it's just like until it feels right but yeah like so things like that and there's probably people listening like that's fine Are you saying about it fucking
no I would just been so tidy like okay, now what about if you have a day off and you don't have to wake up do you stupid no not
yeah if I if I have to wake up for something I will and I'll check it like incessantly until and then like I'll wake up an hour later do it again and then wake up an ally to do it again. If I get into my car have to look at three times with the like inside feeling and like putting a glass down
to the start when you started working right? Yeah, I was writing
um, I get Yeah, it's been since I've been older. Like I never used to joke when I was younger, but I guess it's just part of like anxiety not wanting to sleep in like working breakfast radio. You have to have like such a strict right regimen.
I don't know. You're the one correcting What did I say?
Right shame right?
work right regimen. Yeah, regimen regimen, right? Yeah.
Routine chest every day we
actually have a bunch of people who listen who are learning English and they want to learn an Australian accent so I feel like
they're gonna be really
I do wonder what they get like I would love to see like a bunch of Russians. Listen, I would love to see a Russian sounding like us. I think that was like, it's like the people that watch friends and American TV shows to learn English.
So if we over 10 years, you just track
And by the end, they're fluent. It's like kids that go to international schools and come out sounding American. Yeah, we have school of the daily talk show. They're all
How organised are you when it comes to audio files? And archiving and things like that.
Um, well, me well the other audio producer Jack's and I we just have like a standard that we both do so I guess it's like fairly well labelled so that we can both access anything if one of us isn't there or
any tips on how to organise files. No, I definitely don't do it the best.
How often are you saving if you're tricking your phone like do you save a lot on like Pro Tools? Yeah,
yeah, and I probably the same probably like three times every time like I'll Ctrl S control. Oh, man. It's like, I'm just yeah, that's probably a bit from that actually. Like, just like being so quick with my fingers. I just realised.
Yeah, like being like that, like that. You just get really paranoid that your computer's gonna crash or someone's gonna walk past and knock it off the table or something crazy like you've been lost in I remember. So I worked in the same studio as you before it looked as good as it does now. And one of the audio goes was dropped a hard drive and and it corrupted it or just the internals and was fucked if I had anything horrible like that.
Yeah When I was at uni though, so not as high stress but like Yeah, I was at uni and I was working on a show and yeah, I had like an old my passport or a hard drive that my mom actually bought with flybys point memory tears
It was like close to London.
My past not even a passport a hard drive it was what do they call it a my passport? I wonder
is it because it was like the small port Oh yeah, it's just a guy. Remember when you used to have to plug hard drives in?
Yeah, well, you still do not be desktop he was
Yeah, but like when you get a hard drive in it was like 500 gig and you would have to power and
yeah, you know, our USB.
Back in the day. But yeah, and she it was it was shipped as well like and I dropped it or something happened and it corrupted and I lost everything. This is not good. chat
I mean some of those on the side the Lacie hard drives have like with the ragged edges it could be driven over
could be driven over
an animal is trying to test that shit. Stay Faiza. Exactly.
Sorry, the radio. What was your biggest observation within radio? Like how is it different to regular regular on the regular? Well,
um, well I've definitely learned a lot since being black in Metro Radio like it works so differently from from regional so like, for anybody that isn't familiar with the radio world, like when you work regional, it's like you have a lot less money. There's a lot less people and the shows don't have producers the way that they do like our team at Jason PJ is like 10 people. So it's
seems like they're getting bigger like I remember Kyle and jack used to be the only big team like that angels and even the breakfast table. Then would have been Matt and Joe and that would have maybe three producers. And so it seems like it's is that a move that like that 10 is a fucking lot of people. Yeah,
well it's like so most that I think Kyle and Jackie O is still is the only other radio show that's got two audio producers. So we have two audio producers we've got two show producers and then our AP jag and then video guy Franco and then Sasha Anita and then Jason PJ and then we've got also like a, our own BAM tactics, person cam, who looks after everything for like organising events and all of that kind of thing. So he's included in our close team. And that's 10 hopefully, unless I look like an absolute
idiot. And so the so the difference in the world like what is the radio world? How do you describe it? What's the optics on it?
That's just, I don't even I don't even know. I mean, you guys are watching radio. It's like it's a it's on base blankets. You kind of forget what it's like. what it would be like to work in like a normal functioning work environment, like when you're not allowed to, you know, bully your colleagues, and it's totally okay. And I think because we spend so much time together that our personal relationships are so much stronger than any other workplace I've worked in before, which I think we're pretty lucky to have on our team. How do you manage that?
Like, because that's what I'm trying to work out is like, as a team, because you can hear like, say, the pre show chat on the podcast and you hear people can genuinely get upset or pissy or things like that. Like, I guess there's a amplification that's happening from a personality perspective, but for the most part, it's real feelings real emotions. Do you this safe words? How do you make sure that you don't actually go too far?
That's actually never come up. I think we just do it and hope that no,
but we definitely there has been times where we've probably gone too far. And then afterwards, it's been like, Oh, my I'm really sorry. Like, oh, let's just advance and you go Yeah.
Let's try this should be it's because it's on silent.
What are you trying to deciphered
it's no way didn't work Lucky lucky warning no I'm currently in real trouble
is that why do not disturb surely it should SOS to beat out it's gone
You can do it now do it to the to the gay guys it's a lot oh yeah he's called triple 03 Times
had to wait till he gets to three
now mana you must have the boy
mines lazy kind of wants to get in trouble
sorry Are you someone that would go too far like
all the time like because I would do anything for a joke and I expect that everybody is the same. Like I really don't care what people say to me as long as it like it's good gear like and that's fine then afterwards I might be upset and I'll get home and I'll talk to my boyfriend I
made it I didn't even know that was it funny, but yeah.
But yeah, and I forget that not everybody is like that, like not everyone's priority is the same that like, as long as it's a gag like
so I Yeah, I definitely take it too far
was that were you like that as a kid? Yeah, yeah what sort of shit? Because I ruined every family event we ever had we like yeah but yeah, that would upset people and cause I handcuffed one uncle because he said my face he said my handcuffs went real. And so I got them from suffering hell and so I put I said I put your hands behind your back and I put them on by put them too tight and I pushed him on to my bed and he couldn't get a couple of them. Yeah no, but then I took the handcuffs off, and he grabbed me grabbed my neck and it wasn't fun. It wasn't fun. But my mom then I know but then mom said, Oh, Why's your neck Red Tails? Like oh, yeah, I'm cool. Blah, blah. I can charge me. Yeah, no, no hashtag no nine. Then mom cracked it. We didn't say them for four years. I felt bad because I was being a little asshole. But you shouldn't charge your kid I guess but anything like that.
I feel like the tone of your voice in the way that you tell stories. That doesn't sound funny. It sounds like very intense. Like, so. I was very serious. No, I'd never do anything like that. I think you might be alone. Okay, Billy, you asked me if I'd been to therapy.
That's why I have a podcast.
No, I definitely didn't do anything like that. was pretty quiet and like just a super chubby kid that like didn't want any attention unless like it was funny. Like so I didn't want anyone to like criticise me or like say no. Okay, class clown.
I guess I like be self deprecating to myself before somebody else could do it to me, which has followed on rod into my late 20s which is the therapist, whether that's good or bad or indifferent. No, that's not good. They don't like that. Really? No, no. And it's like, I don't know if you I know you don't watch a lot of TV but in Hannah Gatsby's, like,
limit on everything
in that sense. What's the net?
Isn't that a menstrual cup?
I think I think it's actually a mate of hers. Yeah, well, like a woman she knew or something. Because the new one is Douglas that's a dog. Okay. But in that she talks about like, how in comedy, like, the jugs that you make as a stand up comedian, especially because you're not riffing off anyone. That is just like so self deprecating that you're just like destroying yourself. Like every time you get on stage that it's hard to not like let that eventually affect you a lot really weigh you down. I'm not saying that. I'm Canadian on HANA Gatsby's level anybody's level, but I guess it's the same kind of thing that it's like if you jab yourself before somebody else can do it then it's
Yeah, well, I'm definitely would do that. Where
is it an Aussie try to or I mean, Hannah's Australian?
Yeah, I don't know. I think Yeah, there was just something around like if you get in first with the burn about yourself Yeah, it dams everyone because I can't do it.
But also because I'm not gonna get up and like, make fun of your glasses, but I could get up and make fun of my glasses. Yeah, or a stupid example. Because what if you were to make fun of glass?
Bayes wasn't that funny? Okay, got a good response though. They laughing because they've heard jokes.
When was the first time you went to howdy? If you don't mind me asking. When was the first time you went to therapist?
Probably when I was like 15 but I'm full like actually fully going to therapists that I actually really got along with. I started last year, and I was saying him for a year and then I'm actually recently like a month ago he was like, you don't need to come and see me anymore like you'll fixed by.
Oh, wow, yeah, that's a win.
Yeah, well, surely
going on a holiday.
Now a Dodge by $200 a month to compensate you
for the difference between going as a kid versus like finding something that actually makes sense.
I think as a kid I was just angry and like, Fuck you. I don't want to talk to you about anything. And then
you made to go I mean, did they think that you had a DD or something? No, I think
was just because I was depressed now like, Oh my God, please don't do anything. And then you know that will like Oh, you've got a lot of anxiety, which I still have now. But like it's easier to manage. Oh, guys, this is making me sound crazy. And then yeah, I think I just like didn't want it to work. And then yeah, last year, I was just like, you know what, I'm fucking sick of feeling. Should all the time. And then yeah, like got really lucky with the jaypee that I really trusted got really lucky with the therapists that I was saying. And yeah sorry for ya and like made heaps of heaps of change weekly or fortnightly or weekly I probably saw him wait clay for three months and then change to fortnightly and then monthly and then the last time that I saw him they'd been six weeks which was huge. And he was like Yeah, I don't think you need to come in anymore.
Surely breakfast radio, he's like that can't be good for mental health. So
it definitely doesn't help like there's a certain amount of sleep you're supposed to get and not just amount of sleep but like time you're supposed to be asleep as well. Like, it's not natural to be up at four o'clock like people that do shift like nurses that do shift work overnight like it's just not
natural just throws your body.
Yeah, and it's just it's so bad for you. And then like, everybody would probably say like, oh, using your phone and having artificial light around you all the time is really bad for you as well and your brain development and all that lag, whatever
you're trying to come the combi if I got an extra hour sleep I reckon I would have gotten that. Okay, you know, yeah.
Yeah, the blue light bullshit. You know, I mean, I that's the same guy that I was listening to the productivity expert general was now finding like he was on reality shows. Not clubs.
Yeah, exactly. No I but I was like
there's some if you do it all it might help. But that's where I struggle with like,
which is Yeah, I need to try and be like the best. Like I feel like that whole idea around optimising and stuff like it can come from a space of like not being good enough. Yeah, you having to be better.
And it's like, it's like you follow people on Instagram that are so productive and are doing so much stuff that you're like, Well, I'm not doing anything like what should I be doing and I'm not optimal. And I'm not like I'm not getting anything done. And yet I feel like that's just as bad for you then to like have a coffee before bed because it makes you feel better rather than being like alright great some fresh ginger and put it up your ass because that's gonna make me feel better whatever to get your
ginger in an almond
starts with a thumb I guess
the other one do you so when you don't? The way we're talking about the ship because I push back on it too is like, unless you do it. We don't know if it actually could be the changer for your world complete. Yeah,
but you've got a rip like what is it like 21 days to make or break a habit?
Yes. 21 like I feel like they Yeah, I mean, how does that mean?
Is that just that you get used to it? Or is it like physically or mentally ingrained in you or is it just like, fact now you're not gonna forget because you did for all? Yeah, yeah.
It's definitely like the barrier. The resistance to going out and doing exercise for me that was it's like, that just sort of disappeared and I'd like doing doing that now and be less sort of like concerned in my mind about fact I can't be bothered doing this. So then you just like show up,
which I've never gotten to. I've never like I feel like I've been able to do a podcast, but then this is so much
like, the resistance to get on the mic. Isn't there? Yeah, like we just do it.
So that's a habit. I have a resistant like, people are always saying I should go to a psychologist or whatever. But I sort of can't like I don't like admin. Can you explain I just want to get a real sense of the whole thing. So the first time you go, do you have a set thing of these are the things I want to talk about or do they lead what's the deal?
Well, so in Australia, for example, I know how it works. So like you go to your JP and Knight, you can get like 10 sessions per year per calendar year that subsidised by the government. So you only pay X amount to. So it's like a lot cheaper. So you go to your GP first and you say, and you have to fill in like a mental health survey and say like, yep, like, this upsets me, this doesn't, whatever. And then when you go in there, like they kind of say, so what's brought you here today? And for me like so my mom passed away when I was 19. So that's always like a big one. And I love it. It's like catnip to therapists. Dead parent.
Is that because of it Freud or whatever like that? It's like it comes from your childhood or whatever, like a lot of the pain or whatever. I guess. So. Did they talk about like, Is it all How much time do you reckon percentage wise, is that you talking about? pre 18 versus post 18
I'm probably like, 40%. Like, and it's I guess it every person is different. But like, for me, was kind of like, yeah, I'm pretty good. And then now like, oh, what about this? And I was like, Oh, yeah, that's pretty fucked. I guess. Like I have like a I had a super healthy childhood like I like grew up I've got brothers and sisters like mom and dad that I will really close and stuff like that my life was very normal and to my mom got sick and so for me, like most of the stuff that we're talking about was like as an adult and so I was probably in a pretty good stead to deal with that kind of thing that most people maybe wouldn't be if they hadn't had such a strong childhood and like background of like being honest with people that are around you and you know, if you don't have good relationships with people obviously like your, the way that you see things is totally different. It can be a bit warped or like if your life is too perfect, it can be even worse the other way. So I'd say that for me. They did talk about childhood stuff but the majority of black my trauma I guess you could say, I don't really love that word, but the majority of like the shit that's wrong with me. is is is like from that stemmed from that. any surprises where it's like things that seem so far out of what would be connected to something like? Like, what sort of like what sort of example I guess what one of the big ones for me was like the way that my dad talked to me like, he is super impatient. So if I called him and there was like, something wrong with my car, cuz he's a mechanic, so I'd call him and he'd be like, Hey, what's wrong? And I'm like, oh, and I'd be trying to explain the problem to him. And he'd be like, What? What's wrong, like, what's going on? And you know, dad's like, classic dad's car. And he would be like, don't like spit it out, like what's going on? Ah, and so now whenever I'm on the phone to someone, I'm like, I don't want to waste your fucking time because I know that you don't want to fucking sit here and me trying to figure out what's going on and like, that's probably why I talk so quickly now as an adult because I would always worry that I was going to like piss someone off. If I took too long and I Guess it's like the imposter syndrome of like being a female in the workplace and all of those things like you don't want to take up time that you don't need to, like hide in a technical role like I guess there'd be way less women that are in technical roles and in radio so you don't see it as as much but I'd say like our team in particular at Jason page I like is very even on there's actually more girls and boys now. So that's like a very safe environment, though to work in, like all of us are very respectful of each other and, like, what we need from each other and how we should speak to each other and stuff. Like there's never been a time where I've been like, you make me feel uncomfortable or unsafe, like I can't be honest or anything like that. But, um, but yeah, that's probably something that I didn't realise was like, something that made me anxious because of when I was a kid that, like, now affects me.
Was it like a penny drop moment?
Yeah, it actually was. And like, I don't like making a mess. Like if I'm cooking, I like clean as I cook because I don't want anybody like walk in and see my mess because that was something that like, he didn't like. This is like he was never like, thankfully never abusive or anything but just like you know quirks and living with people the same way that you have quirks with your partner or your kids or your siblings or a housemaid or whatever. Yeah, and so now the way that I behave, I'm like, very apologetic, always and that kind of thing, which made me realise I was like, well, like things that you don't realise affect you really, like are ingrained in your personality, I guess. And like, the way that you behave, actually, is super influenced by the people that you're around when you're when you're younger or
So does that change the way that you speak to people or like even younger people or anything like that?
I'm always super aware of like, so I've got four nieces and nephews. And I'm always very careful to not be like to my niece, I'd never ever say like, Oh, I love your dress. I'm like, What book are you writing? And things like that because I never want her to think that that's what she is. Or like, How fast can you run and stuff like that? And like you've you've, you know, as a dad, as well, like you kind of like you think about how you talk to kids when I think that maybe our parents didn't like playing shooting games with Bodie, a lot like a lot of gun violence that shit.
Yeah, he's gonna stop it Bobby in the car. Yeah, he borrowed it from his cousin.
Yeah, cut the head off doesn't
give a shot. It's I mean, for young kids, you're totally right. I think it's like going with that. Don't assume anything. let them decide. But then, you know, for birdie is a young little pay cockys truck truck and loves it loves destruction and debt. It's crazy. But no, you're right. I wouldn't give a shit if he's playing with Barbies. And
that is I don't even think it's just about like that about you know, not being super agenda. stock of like all boys pie with trucks and girls like Bobby's Not even just like that, just like you're worth more than that because I grew up feeling like I had to apologise because I was like, maybe not as important or didn't my opinions weren't important enough or if I did have an opinion like fucking get to a don't take time to explain yourself, which I'm very aware that I'm doing right now. Very long story now this is interesting long form podcast
getting it out.
I know we'll cut this to three
as long as I don't have
to be the almond bit. No, it's Yeah, I mean, talking to my son. I mean, I'm whispering in his ear, you know? Like, you're so bright, like, just shit that I can't remember as a kid. My parents telling me stuff but I mean, I felt I felt supported. It's weird because do you feel like you even remembered this stuff? Or like happening or is it like you're looking back and then connecting all these dots. That making sense like is that what the psychologist is helping you do realise things and
yeah, I, I'd say it's a combination of the two but probably more connecting dots. But it's, it's actually really interesting. I was reading this book the other day. It's a Bernie brown book. So she is actually no it wasn't it was a subtle art of not giving a fuck the monuments and both, and there's a part in there. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but there's a part where they're talking about a psychiatrist who went and did like hypnotherapy. And it was when people were first starting to talk about like sexual assault allegations and things like that and, and like family trauma and things happening inside your circle. And she got hidden hypnotised a number of times. And then she came out of hypnosis one day, and she was like, Oh, my God, like, Eureka. I've remembered my dad assaulted me when I was young. And she was talking to her, her psychiatrist about it after the hipness. Hypnosis. And she was like, Oh, that's the root of all my issues like, that's what's wrong. And she confronted her dad about it and he swore blue in the face that that never happened. She was like, What fucking Dude, don't fucking lie. And her whole family took her side. And then a few years later, he actually passed away. And she realised that it actually didn't happen. But it was it was that because it was like, so prevalent everyone was doing it that it actually shows like your brain can make up memories that actually aren't there to, like, validate. Not a lie, but I can kind of validate your feelings. Yeah. 100%. And I found that really interesting, which like, it's, it's funny that a certain amount of psych co therapy or therapy or hypnosis or whatever can actually be like, Are you looking for something that's that isn't there? Or are you connecting dots that don't actually exist or whatever. And obviously that's like a super extreme example. But and it wasn't until after her dad died and her whole family had fallen apart that she realised that actually it hadn't happened. And like he was telling the truth, and I just think it's, yeah, it's like really interesting that distinguishing memories like soffits, you know, looking at photos and thinking about times as a kid, I don't know if it's the photo that is creating a memory in my mind, or actually remember that time Yeah. Or if someone says, Oh, I remember when you fell over, and this happened and you're like, Nah, but I get blocked. It's pretty simple. And then someone else asks you Will you tell a story, and that changes a little bit the next time, then it changes a little bit the next time then all of a sudden, from A to Zed. It's actually a totally different story. Like, the base is true. Like it's a true story, but the little things that you like toeffler like don't get, don't let a lie get in the way of a good story kind of thing. Like
becomes the actual story. What about like with your partner, i mean, i when i when i It's like stories you both experienced the same thing but you both tell a different slightly
version of what happened.
Yeah. Or like they're telling a story and then you go no sweetie I opened the envelope the third time or whatever, like it's just so stupid
I walk out of the room now. Do it.
Now Jackie, I feel like storytelling creating narratives there's a connection there with like the mental health stuff around. Say that example. I remember hearing someone say like, thoughts aren't facts. Yeah, I feel like I spent so much time thinking about stories and sometimes they serve me and sometimes they don't. I can you much of a thinker, like what like? Yeah, what was What's that? Like?
I overthink a lot of stuff. And I actually think it was in the same book, saying like, when you say if you've got a good relationship with someone at the time, the way you tell a story would be totally different to feel fucked off with them. So like, if I was Really, really close with my sister at the moment? And I said, Oh, she sent me baby socks like soy lovely. But if we were in a fight and I thought she was the biggest bitch in the world, I'd be like, Oh, she sent me a sock shovel to try and tell me something like that the same action can be perceived totally differently depending on like, your feeling. So if someone does something to me and I think that maybe I've done something and it goes back to the like, overthinking thing, like imposter syndrome of feeling that way of being like, oh, I've got to make sure that I'm not wasting anyone's time and I'm going as fast as I can not bothering anybody not sitting in the way and like paying my rent to be in the world and doing the right thing like that you if I think that I've fact you off at some point, Josh and then like, the next time like, oh my god maybe he didn't think of that joke about that anal sex was actually a joke. Maybe he was like really upset about that or whatever
I should say in the moment.
You know, like, and the way that you think that that's probably come across when if in actual fact if I texted you and I was like, Hey, bro, we're good. You Like,
yeah, so like Actually, no, that really bothered me is it and it's it sort of feels like it plays into the same thing, which is around people pleasing. And so then you have the fact up thing is because I feel like I do it too. It's like making outrageous jokes to then get a good reaction. But it's risky area that could go the other way and you could piss people off. And so they then you it's a bit of a head Fuck, because it's like you playing on this sort of risky area? The you know, I was gonna say something on that. The if you feel that way, do you mention it to people? Like, are you are you actually communicating to people and saying hi,
it depends who it is. Yeah. Like so, people most most of the people at work, like if I have a moment where I feel that way, I'll message them and I'll be like, Hey, sorry, like, anxiety going into overdrive. Like were you fucked off when I said that or was that a good or a way Okay, or whatever. And I'd be like, What are you talking about? Like, and I've just caught up I guess it's part of like, having a bit of OCD is like, Oh my god, I get like locked on to stuff and I'm just like worried that I've offended someone or upset them or said something that like I thought was really funny, but wasn't or whatever. And generally it's fine. Like I haven't ever really had the situation where someone's feeling actually really hurt me with that or I guess that goes back to like self deprecating humour being so much Cypher, like if I say a shitty joke about myself, like who's gonna be upset just me?
Like, do you catch yourself though like now that you've gone through all the therapy? Do you look at the self deprecation and things like that with a different lens?
Self deprecation. Probably not like because, yeah, like anything for a good joke. That's probably always gonna be the way that I feel about it. But in other things, definitely, like may overthinking, sending a text to you or worrying about something you can actually see in the text. Well, now So but you know, like something like that. I'll be like actually no I know that it's fine and I have to kind of sit in my own uncomfortable like Brian area and then a day later I'm like actually that was fine and I and I know that I can let it go but it's just like letting myself sit in awkwardness
Do you think this happens with close close friends? Like Have you got some Ryder die homies that you just you know where you stand, you know, you can say like, there's no ever having to apologise or they're gonna come out of it.
Not even people like that. I still feel the same way. Yeah, like, apart from my boyfriend, probably. But yeah, um, most people I'm like, oh, maybe they really took that the wrong way or like maybe they weren't having a very good day and I shouldn't have said that or whatever. This is not good for my image. Oh, sorry.
I heard that you've done a written a show. is a comedy hit like what's Shot Yeah,
they said that
97 said Paris tone told us that there was a What is it since you've done like a one person? that no one's ever? Yeah. All right. Well, let's
try me onto the bus. Yeah, I have I've written quite a few things. I was actually going through my notes last night because you know like in your iPhone nights where you just like write random things and there's two stage shows. I hate
Yeah. Kristin weeks gonna make them and I just like write stuff whenever I think about it. Or if I'm talking to someone, I'm like, Fuck, that's really funny. And I'll write it down. And I was going through it last night and it's just the most weird shit and like a couple of them are from my midnight so I'm obviously being out on a bender, and like grabbed my phone a lot as far
as, like really damn exclusive come I get some content ideas. Um, oh, you know, what you've got
was actually stolen on arrival
services. He loves touching people's bags and
stuff he did. He actually grabbed it from my hand like grabbed my hand. Really?
Interesting, soft hands.
As in, you
know, oh my god, I feel like a lizard. Really? I'm not gonna be able to find anything good now,
you know just go from from the top.
Oh, that's a good idea. I'm not gonna give you that one
to the phone. No,
no, I'm not gonna tell you.
So a friend of mine, like asked if maybe I would emcee their wedding. And I was like, Oh, yeah, and I started like writing a bunch of shit down that I would bet Oh, you know, good. Give it I would use and it's just awful. Like that obviously
was like just one line. Now, I'm
not that from the notes with Tony large.
Let me find something better. It's a new show.
It's a new podcast that she's
doing do a podcast you could do it yeah, from the notes from the notes and applies on the you singing as well
from the notes. So there's a note in here that's just like 12 question marks and I've written it at 12:40pm on a Friday, not
a day made sure it was 12 late.
Oh, God, I can't find
anything on that one. It says comedy.
George knows comedy. It's a comedy. So this.
They these ones are actually. Oh.
Nice, nice. Safe Space. No, it's just Yeah. What have I been doing? Well, the one of them is a story about I found out that I had HPV, Human Papilloma Virus. What does that mean? Um, well, I cried, and I was like, I've got AIDS. Yeah. And then they said, No, that's HIV.
Oh, Crikey. I can assign that one.
Have you done an open mic before?
No. And I slept the night before that every time I think about it, and I would love to do it. But I'm so scared. That was above
like, open mic quality what you'd like that was a great job.
Keep going. Oh, you guys think that's funny? Yeah, man, I'm gonna come on here every week.
Somebody obviously thought you had AIDS, HIV.
Honestly, I honestly did. And I said to my boyfriend who is still the current boyfriend that I have now. I was like now I'm gonna have to tell all my future partners that I've got HIV and he was like, nice.
Okay, here we go.
say this. Water cracker young. That's not what this is no information. It's literally just
as water cracking. It's like water crack is the poor man. I mean,
maybe it's like water cooler chat, but water cracker. Yeah, that's
definitely funnier than
what it was. Maybe that's what you thought. I'm giving you the benefit. Have you? Have you ever
done improv before? Oh, now but that would be fun. We can do it right now. Oh, okay. Okay, JB, can you set us up with the Seine and give Tony TJ and I characters sure
All right. Tony is at the airport
as a What do they call reception at night? The
ticket checking checking system.
I know you're a pilot. Yeah. You're a pilot, right? You're You're a pilot. Yeah. And Josh is Tommy's dad and the brown and
the bomb on.
Josh, you're trying to get Tommy into the cockpit, but it's 2020 Okay, so you're the you're the you're the we on the plane. You're on the plane. Okay, and. Okay,
dad, I want to go into the cockpit.
All right, well, you've been good. Let me let me see what I can do. I've been up I've been up
Excuse me, sir. No,
no, I need you to open up my son's being a good boy and I want to show him the Cocker is
you're getting a large
job someone is sucking. Excuse me? Open up where an hour from Denpasar and I want to I want to I want to see this car. Okay?
sorry to break character, but why do we assume that I was a man even I did it.
Yeah, I know. But isn't that horrible? Why did we assume? Well, no, I just took nine disappointed with myself. You had a quiet, man cuz I was
daddy what is that pilot heaven Why does she have a penis?
Well some I found your dad on Tinder
You know, I don't know. Oh, that's
I loved that. That was simple. I wasn't gonna hire me as a comedian now. No, I did to be honest. I wasn't expecting you to oblige. Yeah. And getting it. Yeah, getting it sucked. But I thought it was very funny
that we could do some creative editing around that make a funny, I know what
we make. So what was it so maybe tight it's like, so if I'm being critical, slightly. Yeah, there was a little bit of transphobia there. So I apologise for that because it was just a little bit of like, she's got a cock and things like that. So
I felt bad that I assumed that because I was a pilot that I was like, sure. But then it got problematic when we start saying she's got a talk and then laughing about maybe I don't think that was problematic when you're banging on the door of a cockpit. Yeah, it was it was.
I mean, this is what happens when you do improv, right. It's risky. I think like We're all doing our best. I actually think that was a great day. I actually thought it was really good. I loved how Australia went straight into it. And I just wanted to preface that the that bit so it's all good, but I think you just dissected it to make it sound bad. No, I dissect it to me like this is the optics and the optics and
I wasn't right. That's right.
Please don't tell me this is the end.
Did you ever go into a cockpit when you're a kid?
That is just the most the weirdest thing to me that people talk about? Yeah,
yeah, really? Wow. It's probably on its last legs when we did it. Yeah.
When Count ababu doing it Yeah,
I've never been to Bali. Really? I was fine. Slavs
Bali. Yeah, this. Um,
I mean, I get it. Because you know, it's fairly cheap to to go If you can get nannies if you got kids and you drink quite cheaply and stuff, like I understand the appeal, but I mean going the same place that many times I'm like, you're not going there to like, experience it. You're just going there because it's cheap to drink peers and you don't have to do kids. Sure, you know, like, and I assume that most Australians that are going there are gone there for money much the same reason.
Yeah, if you had to live in lotting. firecrackers, yeah, really? Did you all find a wheel buying firecrackers? Did you
milkshake? Oh, yeah, yeah. If you had to live anywhere in the world, outside of Australia, where would you leave? I would leave anywhere. I'd love to live in New Zealand. I'd love to live in Tokyo. I love to live in Ireland or Wales.
But you get one
that was like, Oh, sorry. Is that too many? Out of those? You have to pick one. So what so why?
Tokyo, so I've never been to Japan. Can you give me the rundown what you love about Tokyo what you like about Japanese culture. Give me the world.
super friendly. Everybody is really friendly and there's like so many people that you'd think it would be an absolute shit show but it isn't like everybody's super organised. They know where to line up like they know where their rubbish goes like you're not allowed to smoke on the street for later on, but you're allowed to smoke in restaurants
in like a McDonald's you go in there and there's like a smoking level and a non smoking level.
Really, really nice. Yes, seeing a Big Mac.
Yes. The Big Mac.
But they also organise the other thing was like eating in restaurants. A lot of the restaurants like the Robin bars and stuff, you stand up and sort of going you get out. Like it's very weird for someone like us to go and have dinner and sit there for another 10 minutes and talk like, I'm sorry, you finished it. I thought What are you doing? Yeah, wait, it's almost the the opposite of Europe like I'm thinking like Italy or you gotta go real slow. Maybe even I'm trying to think And so Italy or wherever it was, but they like if you ask for the bill, you'll piss him off like it Take your time. What do you what do you like? Georgie you're next to a fellow I love Tokyo as well. Yeah, once but was meant to go
Twice actually if it was on the same trip
when you leave your hotel he counted as an extra
And sorry okay, I wonder what it's like to live there?
Well my boyfriend's got a few friends that went over there to teach English and one of them speaks Japan Japanese fluently now. And it's like a video game translator and he and he married a Japanese girl. They've got a kid together now and they absolutely love it like it
yeah, like I think that rent is like a little bit more expensive but terms of food and travel and stuff. Like it's pretty cheap to live there. Obviously, given that I would like to have a talking based Korea, it's not ideal at this point. So made a move to
if you were to do another job, what would you do?
Like I'd love to other than a pilot.
That's my current job. I'm still in character, right? So it's like what?
I would love to be a comedian or an actress or something like that.
I don't want to be an audio person forever.
Is there a lot of spoken a lot Eric and every person that we've had that's been in radio, we talked about that sort of stigma around people who are off air or not behind the mic, trying to weasel their way.
Trying to be famous. Yeah, just once. Once once Falcon wants to be in the studio. Yeah. How do you push back against that?
I don't think you can. I think that's always gonna exist. And because everybody in radio, whether you're on air OFF AIR tends to have like quite a big ego. And it's like any famous person, you have to have a pretty big ego to kind of like make your way and feel that you're good enough to be doing what you're doing or earning the amount of money that you're making or whatever. And I never ever wanted to be on air. I never wanted to do that side of things. And as soon as I got in try to people like you're pretty funny actually. Like, maybe we should try that. And I was like, Oh, cool. Yeah. And that was when I was in regional radio. And then when I moved to Sydney, I was like, well, that goes like any hopes of ever getting on air. Like I'm in a metro market now. They're never gonna let me be on air. And they're like, Oh, no, like what came and I was like, Oh, cool. And then same when I moved to Melbourne, like, move to be an audio person, obviously. And then Jason PJ, like go along with them really well, and I like using me which is awesome and super fun that I get to go out and do stupid shit and film dumb videos and like do stunts for them. And yeah, like so I never It was never my intention to be like, pretend that I'm a production person. Snake my wife through the system like that was never ever at the front of My mind at all like but you know happens to some people and I'll get famous and they don't succeed.
Is it easy is the way to go now have a hard skill that you're actually fucking great at. And then there's more to it like being talent is very, very hard in today's age.
Yeah, I know I agree and because if you can't then say like, well if you give me a show at night or on the weekend or whatever, but I can cut my own shit, or like yet, but I'll cut my podcast at the end of it. Or if I wanted to start a podcast, which I'd love to do, just don't have a good idea, but like I gave you
Oh, yeah, yeah, which one? What was your idea? Ah, so that was something to note from the from the notes. That's right. I really think that like because when I dm you and ask you to come on the show, you're like, I've got nothing if I can talk like you play like you. You will assign why would you want me? Mike is there a little bit of you with that with Stephen Adding a podcast so Like what? Like, why don't you start one now? I feel like you're great talent you should have like be fuckin smashing it now.
I just yeah, I guess it's like, I feel like no one would want to listen to me because I'm not anyone. But we're not anyone and look, we've got a studio.
That's actually true, but I mean
But it's funny Hey, and I guess it's like not what like being really scared to fuck it up or like look stupid or worrying about the optics. I am worried about the updates as exactly right. Should I be
able to view it as or see it as Okay,
I think as well you've got to have like a good, like base of what you would do like where you would like grow from every episode that like comes from a certain point or whatever, you know,
what do you think that like? Because I guess if you look, listen to our earliest shows we don't like even now nearly having done 100 like it no we're just like no way constantly like figuring it out but people enjoy the figuring out that's true
and you end up with like diehard fans like you guys have that like that froth that like whole discovery journey I guess
because what's the other option that it's perfect from day one? That's boring yeah
I don't know I've just been I just wouldn't even know where to start like I'm not technically because like I've got a microphone I got Pro Tools like I can cut everything myself but
what do you stop record for an hour reading she daddy notes
and then cut it in. Someone's phone's ringing. I really
just I really
just that was me on the fly.
Imagine the notes
I feel like this should
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like fidget. It's just like so close. Yep.
God, I really want you to do like I just want you to do it so we can listen. I feel like you should listen to Yeah, we'll just listening to this. That's good. Well, Tony, thanks for coming on the podcast but we'll have you back it would you next time you come back. Could you read out some notes or have had some like maybe sort through them probably come up with You'd have to count with more notes you just need to find the ones that you can write down.
Really not good ones in there. And like I was talking just very quickly while I was talking to my boyfriend before I came on and I have asthma, right that's all spring events one Yeah, well, I was last night I was having my puff up before I go to bed and my boyfriend told us was like, Oh, you could talk to the daily talk show about having asthma.
How do you take a preventative?
Yes I every night I
take out the circular purple
one. No, it's a it's a blue round steroids like powder puff ah that I have to check every now
do you wash your mouth after taking it that's that's because you get thrush mail?
Yes, you get oral thrush if you brush your teeth first and then you take it you can get are all fungal infections and turned out to be better. You're talking to a couple
Have you ever? Yeah, we fizzle out
the images off?
No, I'm ever been to the Great Barrier Reef. So if you go snorkelling, they'll put a pink ribbon on your snorkel. If you've got asthma Yeah. Do you know how I got asthma?
Oh, well, I was about to tell my asthma story about Please go ahead.
I'll tell you mine quickly. White tell spider bit me.
Oh, that is such a good story. Yeah.
How did you get asthma?
Oh, no, I want more information Now.
Now. We need it confirmed by doctor if it's possible. I like to believe it. And then I also want to
know what else you know when I was a kid. I said no, I was like three and I said to my parents might pie to bite me. And I was like, coughing or something and then say spider. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you think that after that
There it is, like, if I type in whitetail spider asthma, something should come up.
Oh yeah, definitely that will definitely come up.
So I'm doing anything. Zero results.
Maybe we can SEO for
it. So we rank No, nothing. Nothing.
If you told that story, you can ask everybody that you told that story to call and apologise. Do you get asthma? When I moved to Melbourne? I've never had it in my life. And then I moved to Melbourne and now I have like terrible asthma. Yeah, you
high fever. I'm never as bad as I have here. But yeah, as soon as I'm
young, how often you taking panties to me?
Probably one or two a day,
but that's good. Yeah.
What are you rocking sort of your calls brand? Okay, yeah, so fast. 180 milligramme.
That's a name brand. And I just strictly go for generic otherwise customer promo
Do you drink? Not really? Not really. I feel like that's it like yeah, I never used to drink. I've just started drinking in the last little bit. So now we'll just before I so actually,
why? Because you think it like it makes you more sophisticated.
Yeah. And just if I'm feeling sad, you know, oh,
God to give you a name of a
good one. So you don't drink You don't? Yes. Well, I like being in control.
Yeah, I don't really mind it, but like, I would never come home from like a hard day of work and be like, oh, gotta have a glass of wine or whatever. But like, I enjoy all that. Well. I didn't get it.
Yeah, tell me a little bit. It's really triggering when you
mean Jase. Jase drinks. He's, his whole life seems to be about like going to the balls. Yeah. Or going to Bali or things like that.
No, he's good. And half of it is a bit up as well for to make it make him sound like he's you know what? No,
I was trying to rescue you.
But yeah, like no judgement of people that do but it's just never been my thing. My parents weren't big drinkers. So like, but like, I'll go out and get fucking blonde. Smoke. Well, would you go like what you'd go to drink? No, my drink gin. Oh, yeah, I'm not judging
Jin before death genes are great gene scratching. actually send us some question, please. Yeah, so def gene, one of the pet owners, co owners is Jason who you guys have had on the show. He's your tax man. He's our hot accountant. So yeah, yeah, he's very attractive, actually. Oh,
yeah. accountants talk good looking, but he's really good. Really?
Well, Jason's really good at Hot
say that's a fizzle out.
And seven I decided to daily talk show.
Thank you. Yeah. The Daily talk show. Thanks for coming in Tony. No worries.