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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. Daily talk show everyone live from New York City and live from Washington Square Park. Thank you TJ we've got a special guest with us it's it's nice when you see the worlds collide with friends from back home when you're overseas and that's what happened as having right now. Josh Peterman you're making it sound like we bumped into Josh. Wow. Well, you did.

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But we basically did. And so Josh, welcome to The Daily talk show. Oh, good to be here. Thanks. What do you call it is a giant ADA. Yeah, you can you can do

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what I love about us, you you should have picked up. Your like your rapport with people is super quick. Like when I first met you, I think he called me TJ pretty.

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Quickly, and I appreciate that if it feels it feels like your friend straightaway Pittman's got the like he's very onto it. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's a thing but some people like really don't appreciate it because I call myself the great equaliser like no one is better than you and no one is worse than you okay and and that's a sort of an empathetic thing but it's also like something that people hate if they if they feel like this far superior to so when you start throwing your nickname straight out Yeah, yeah the worst is when you write an email to someone and use a nickname and then they respond back and they just have their full name on the bottom with regards

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the best

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don't even put the Hello they just say Tommy or it would be Tom like how many people right to Tommy and just right Tom? Yeah, Tom. Few people use that I designed them as friends. So just get rid of them. Have you ever had the email and then that you've gone in with the with a man or the mate or whatever and then

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Gone in with prefix and it's a prefix and suffix. Yeah like Dr. Tommy jacket

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let's just play it before we sort of work out who Josh is and and what the hell you doing here because I think that will kind of

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you know evolve over the episode but way of sitting like we've just Josh and I were just giving some commentary to a squirrel went running up a tree. It's like it's gross and we said that they like possums back home but I don't think that it's the sexiest sort of

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rodent.

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Exactly, I would say.

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Cutie this so much cuter than a possum. And what I was saying was, I wonder if locals think that they are how we feel about possums. Like possums are annoying. They ate fruit everywhere and they peace Yeah, and they sound like a like an aggressive tiger.

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Yeah

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I used to freak out when I was growing up about it like I was like some some large, you know, humour or cat is like is that my windows? Is having sex like babies?

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And I mean joke on them when they used to die underneath our house actually no jokes on us because it used to come through our, the stench. Yeah, that through our heating system throughout the house. It's a comedy show.

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So Josh, I met you a couple years ago at an event. And then we started doing I did some I made a video for you. Yep. And then

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all the videos on my album. Yes. And then I really got around to the other passion. So you kind of have a few things where you are. I met you when you were in the video at the fitness space. You had a business called pit fit. And that that was a passion for you. Was it? Yeah, yeah. It was a passion project. It was a side project that became a full frontal project. Yeah. But then since sort of

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All that often back to the the real full full frontal project, which is my performing career. Yeah, well we're in the heart of it what is this the heart of musical theatre? This is this is the Mecca. Yeah, yeah. I mean yeah, this is like the Wailing Wall for a Jew

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so yeah, it's a it's pretty special place. It's always very inspirational coming to New York and seeing things on Broadway and yeah, just, you know, immersing in the in the culture of it's the best way to describe I just like it just fills up my cup so much. Yeah. So it's coming back from this. What's the big difference between sort of amateur theatre and do it because I guess everyone has to go through the whole sort of spectrum starting off in school and then doing the sort of like how,

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in the sense of like the vibe in the community because it does it just sort of like flow up to people just Eventually, the community element of theatre

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whether it be through musical theatre is

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sort of standard across the board. Yeah, there's something about doing theatre, that

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it's a vulnerability. It's an openness, it's a sharing. It's a trust thing that that makes you have these wonderful friendships with people and, and great PC nights and greyed singalongs and

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you know, people coming out and and sharing their sexual identities and so much goes on in those worlds regardless of whether it's high school amateur college or you know, being on Broadway.

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That's the wonderful thing about it. Yeah, but the quality of talent obviously from from our production. Ron Jackson, a black man and a white a white person pulling it back man so we like to you know, going off and doing things

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how did they tackle that now? Does anyone play that character as a white person just it's just not on I'm height said it

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was like and Harry Connick

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It was one of the judges and I think he just walked off. He's just like, this is not we cannot. This is wrong. Yeah, so people thought I was wrong back then. But it just wasn't

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sort of mid 2000 when that happened on high

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until 2005 blows my mind saying people in footy clubs still doing that shit. I still have you not know, even if you don't quite understand the concept, don't you realise that you will get beaten online for it? That's all you're going to worry about is just how you're going to come across and if you're going to get a few hecklers, forget about the racist bit it's Yeah, clearly rises. Yeah, yeah. And the most recently there's the whole Serena Williams thing and why Yeah, I mean,

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we don't really cover massive topic. So

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yeah, we've got a decent track record of

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Yeah, when it's when you travel internationally

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you hear about it, but we Yeah, we call it what is what is the observation? Absolute Rice's see an excuse?

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Yeah. What did you think it comes from? Because I feel like it's it's not from a malicious place or even thinking negatively towards people. It's just this sort of, maybe I don't know what

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sort of Yeah.

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Yeah, everything sort of a bit of a joke and no one takes it. Seriously, even as I'm saying that like mildly accidents, just lift it up and

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just crack the baby. I

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know, you need the tagline.

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There's been hundreds episodes. And so I've got to Josh friends, Josh Peterman and Josh Janssen. One

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can

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Sing and one can't sing. And you know what? It's the one that actually seeing this more often.

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I do like to

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I like a bit like I don't I'm not much of a nightlife person, which I think is a good thing because otherwise karaoke would be a big part but now I was sober guy at karaoke, which is the most weird thing because you want to make sure that you're in

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exactly no but I think that I was when I was in high school I was in a band with my brother will called Jake and the fat man, I used to weigh 120 kilos.

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And nearly every variety night we would over over bake it would do like 10 minutes of melody. Sorry.

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It didn't go.

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A lot of like, a lot of like the offspring blink when it to you can really see all those songs. Missy Higgins. Actually that was the fight my brother, how about you?

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switch from like, all the small things to the specialty had a bar of soap Pena scrubbing brush negative.

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Yeah, yeah, you go from like that. That clown impersonating sandwich was the blink one It

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sounded like want to go.

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Sorry.

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Mrs. husband could possibly Listen to this. Yeah, he's a podcast. He's a fellow podcaster

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actually, when I was doing the 1010 is always I had like a mo time on the on the tour bus, you know, spent a lot of time on those tour buses. And I listened to the sound of white on repeat. I was missing missing my girl at the time and I just like we just sit in the bus and just cry. Listen to Missy like she she really got me so I may be taking the piece out of the Blinky Bill thing, but

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I did a whole about five years ago. I had to

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Internet radio station I had about 10 listeners every day so big numbers never bother with an app per licence now. I felt like if you can have more people in a bedroom listening to music I don't need to worry about that was sort of my defence anyway, but we did a first draught you die we did Missy Higgins all day Australia.

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It was great. What's your favourite? I know I do like ska. Just because it's a just a classic and I love the piano actually love the music video to do a piano. Do you like that one? But the one way she's in the car driving the country. I didn't I

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Oh, it'll come to me. If it comes to you, Josh will

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be the carolling and she does a little flick.

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That's good. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The

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Carole King. Yes. She's very talented. Yeah. Carole King's writing sorry.

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You were the or you still are the male lead. I finished three weeks ago. Yeah. In breezy now knows that.

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The whole of the scene and the show is closed in Australia. Amazing. How many months will you go to was about three months. Wow. 370 shows? Yeah. Well, that when you're in Sydney and you were sort of in the thick of it.

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Think of all know, we caught up. right between the Sydney and Melbourne seasons. We had a week off and that's what I did. All that album. Yeah. Work with you. Yeah. And how was it? How was the experience humble able, I mean, the show is the shows incredible it like it ended up winning five awards in Australia, including Best Musical and it's just, it's just been an amazing storey of one of the most profound songwriters of the 20th century. She's the most successful female so

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We're on the 20th century and, and people sort of know tapestry that, you know, sort of iconic, seminal album for so many people, especially the generation before us. It just has so many hits. I will admit when Josh said oh, I mean Carole King, the music, who's Carole King. I legit said that bad, but she's like that and difference when I did hear some of the song she's written. Yeah, I did know

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that I feel that move. Say,

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Josh.

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I can't go that high. I couldn't even go that low.

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Missy Higgins. I can't even do Missy Higgins. Well, what else you you've got a friend with James Taylor made that hit as well.

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Will you still love me tomorrow? I mean, this just hit up hit. But what people sort of didn't know about her as before. 71 when tapestry came out, her and her husband Gerry Goffin, her first husband,

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who you play who I bought Yeah.

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wrote 50 Top 40 hits together wow from 59 to 71 What Makes You make me feel like a natural woman like that's a big one?

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Yeah

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yeah Josh feel like a natural What

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was it? You make me feel

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the lead and the baby.

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I harmonise my own boy can you actually can you live harmonised

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Himalayan

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multiple sounds

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like you know what i'm done with

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the vape boxer who am Joe

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Ra's al rato yeah he does If you only knew that

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I pretty sure that I did do a few rehearsals for Jacob

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cats and dogs

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and cats boots and get was

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a boxing hang on I'm gonna say

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Here we go I've been practising

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that's the only thing series good for ya trolling

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she can't really tell you that much. In fact, it's not that but I did actually just had to stop for a second you tried to keep talking. There was something very really attractive

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it's it's an amazing place. You've got a

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Every colour every taste every I'm not even just talking about humans

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I'm talking about dogs at the moment I feel very bland being in New York feel like it's about five animals oh yes animals everywhere and I think you notice them because there's no part like not many parks and so they're all shooting on this hour but then people dress so cool in New York is so many like the hair colours of people yeah everyone's got the everyone's doing their thing is what I sort of noticed in New York and and they feel like they can do it at whatever level I want to do it and give zero Fox about yeah doing it that's that's what a lot like us like I see dudes down the down the street like like just dancing on the street in the middle of the day like with their headphones in they just like I just feel like I need to express my my life through the form of dance. Now. This is a perfect segue and break Can you start filming?

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So I asked you I was like,

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I somehow worked at your intan or you were in

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American sad man these days and I thought amazing would it be if we could get Josh Peterman in Washington Square Park? Yeah to be belting out some sort of weird Josh Janssen

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What about this how you released an album which I hope you make some videos for which we kick ass tonight well done yeah

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you've nailed it. So the style was so you are pursuing it like is that like the lead thing that you showed the classical training is it sort of was my foundation my base and then they say if you have a good enough feeling good enough here and you listen to enough various music you should have the technique to be able to motor into anything from from classical. It's like Yeah, yeah. Which isn't the case because I've tried to give it Snoop and biggie.

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bit of foundation and jack in the fat man.

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foundation of all the small things. So yeah, that is my that

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My foundation What I love most but yeah, as you can probably tell I'm not one of those sort of standard, you know, fat opera singer, a quintessential. I grew up listening to just pop and rock and so I wanted to make an album that was classical music with a really contemporary twist. What's contemporary, contemporary? Well, the tracks on it like Radiohead Goo Goo Dolls. Yeah. So find them. Christina Aguilera. And then on top of that, they are in Italian. Yeah, so I translated some Italian and Spanish, and then some English and then I went over to Prague. I had this incredible opportunity through my Connexions doing the 1010 years ago to work with the Prague Philharmonic Orchestra. And so they the orchestra on to the end, and then it's a pretty sick rock band led by john foreman, Craig Newman's on that who's been john farmers basis for ages. So like the quality The music is on I would just like just fucking out of control. And they may be

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in the same room when they when they tracking the baby.

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Is that we signed on I just putting down the base

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I mean, I wasn't that was cool but I like I've been in you know rooms with you know with rhythm section so you know bass guitar drums piano. I've never been in a room with a 65 piece Philharmonic Orchestra and singing along with him that was amazing crazy crazy

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together like just nuts like, yeah.

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And it's their job. They just get together each day and pump out Yeah, so they play a concert halls and whatever around or in Prague in and around Europe, but they session musicians as well. So they get hired by everyone from Susan Boyle, Paul Potts, but Shelley to put down the tracks to the album, it's like they've you know, they've worked with the bass. What's the lead instrument, other than like the percussion like is that the lead is that is the conductor is probably

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getting an orchestra like first violin is is your is your person really

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base for his base. Does that the lead for for a bit for a band? Yeah, probably keys I don't know where the rhythm section. If you're a drummer, you're probably say I'm the most important. Yeah, the base is

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the most important. I want to bring us back on track off now You did a great intro to set up what I want you to do. So my thought when I spoke to you was like okay, you're in New York. Let's do the podcast from Washington Square Park. Yeah. And get you to build out something because

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small it's literally smaller than the squirrel. Yes. Can you just give us something because I'm sick of hearing Josh who can't sing sing on this podcast. We need someone who can sit you have a favourite track. I'm listening to it on just before we got here, man. Hallelujah.

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We should know Iris Iris

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I love that well you pick a hard one or just pick one that you sound the best at or scar by missy.

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Standard American

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was looking around for a fat man because that voice I thought it was gonna come from another fat man

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I'm a Polish man my T shirt says yes yes i Polish man. nice clean segue to the Polish man.

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Very good. Sorry at the start of October game started October. What's the Polish man? Is this the first year you've been involved? Not the first year of fundraise. Okay, this is the third year fundraise.

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Then I think they finally went, Oh, yeah, you can you cannot be an ambassador. So, yeah, it was a no brainer. Like it's such a incredible course for those people who don't know it. The the general crux of it is that and it's just, this blew my mind it always blows my mind. One child every five minutes in the world dies from violence and

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much much more often than not the perpetrators a man

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and it's just a sickening fact that like every time I sort of actually sit in that I can't you can't help but feel like it Yeah, it's just wrong like the world shouldn't have kids to fear for their life all the time. So we have the fundraiser we paint one nail on your hand one represent one and five. And hopefully it sparks up conversation which it has a lot in New York and

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people to start their own little fundraising campaigns or or donate and the money goes to the victims families.

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The communities to ensure that this sort of thing just ceases to exist. And now I've seen about five blogs since being here with nail polish on, and it has nothing to do with. It's just we're in New York. Yeah. You hit that one. No, these guys had like four fingers, all the nails done. But yeah, it's definitely

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what do they call it but jazil?

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Could I remember saying previous Polish men have done that they're

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going

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to try that. I think if you're if you're a performer, you sort of have Lawson's to get away with that. Yeah. Maybe a rainbow one or whatever. Do you feel that as a performer you have to sort of flight like, do you naturally play in this certain area of sort of as a character?

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I mean, I'm a pretty out there forward guy anyway, and I don't think that has anything to do with the fact that as a as a sort of persona as an actor, I was just just how I am

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I think you know high energy I think when I when I first met you know you don't you don't watch me when I'm at home by myself I've set up cameras that this is the time for me to tell you that that no but I think like when I've observed you like I do everybody just mean saying them and

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trying to like play it down now it's like as I said as I observe you It

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sounds like it's like when you

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understand

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your high energy in your you consistent in that so these just you because I think when you meet people that are high energy you go back they is this just them at one point, or they're gonna think most times different another time that you see them therefore they're playing a character. Yeah, and you are just you but it's not even performing. Right. I think that like, I think probably in the arts as well. Mental health is such a fucking thing like that.

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The highs can be met with massive lows. Have you experienced people that are like what I'm saying there's people who are ball of energy but that's not the most always 100% Yeah, and it's not anyone always I'll go to say like, Oh, I have, I need to spend a lot of time alone.

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With Quiroz in the past, you know, like I'm a I'm a avid meditator, I need a lot of alone time to sort of

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fill up my my internal cup so that I can then share the contents of that cup with people when I'm with people if I'm just constantly pouring pouring out like if you run the world dry of of energy of a blob of of all the things that you need in in in conversation and God relationship do you think you need to do that more so because you're on stage giving so much? Yeah. When I'm when I'm going to show I'm really not very social. Yeah, yeah, especially well roll like Jerry. Do.

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You know, most people don't know the storey of Gerry Goffin. But he was an incredible

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Jamison and wrote the lyrics to you know, he wrote the lyrics so you make me feel like a natural woman. He wrote the lyrics to like saving all my love for you Whitney Houston, he wrote the lyrics to so many amazing hits. But he was a really troubled genius. He had alcohol and drug addictions. He had some serious mental mental health issues to a point where, I mean, he was on

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electroshock therapy for 25 years she so he was seriously not in a good way. Did they cover that in the musical, not the electroshock therapy, but certainly the mental breakdown, the panic attacks, the, the all of that. So going through that I Tom's awake

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for a year, like it's, it's really quite exhausting. And so I just needed mine time. So I was I was pretty antisocial for that year. And I think, you know, you might after a while of doing, doing so many musicals, it might after a while, just realise I went impediments, and that is, you know, doesn't spend as much time with us and whatever. He's just sort of in his own world and

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then

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They just sort of understand it that that's that's where the priorities. Yeah. Yeah. So yes, I'm a high energy person, but I can be the opposite. Yeah, yeah. When I need to refuel, today we're in a parking

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lot is coming know the

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same for you. After this from the from an arts point of view, like has it been something that you like, having that sort of energy because I think like, I'm fairly creative too and I've been around Creative People and it can sort of feed this missus.

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It can sort of, it can feed a sort of sort of community a certain way. What do you think the, the actual, what comes out of having that sort of energy? Is there a certain way with like that you interact with people or how you work as a community that actually helps with things like being able to be anti social or have those moments? Um, I'm not entirely sure. I think the thing about performance is there isn't isn't one one way

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A lot of people generally think they're performers.

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Always high energy. Yeah, people that they're not like I've worked with so many excessively introverted,

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quiet shy people who, the only time they sort of express any real, what we call sort of outward energy, he's on stage.

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And and then other than that they like

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almost reclusive. Very, very shy. Terrible. It would be terrible at this situation just talking to people that you know, people that they've never met before. Yeah, he's, he's very much like that. I was like, Whoa, because he plays these dynamic rises characters. But he plays these characters that loud and noisy and then he said, that he's he's vehicle to to behave like that and express that. But other than that, you know, I've met Chris a couple of times too, and it's exactly that. And there's lots and lots of people like that. So it comes in all

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And all in all types and change the dynamic of like, yeah, like, say a whole, because I'm guessing it's very close, as you've sort of mentioned the community is there, because there's so many people who have the highs and the lows, do you think that it creates a more supportive community? Or is that one fact together? Well, it what it should create, and I hope it does create, is that

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a knowledge of suffering that we all have, we all go through crap. And so what it should create is, is sort of, you know, some compassion towards each other and I hope I hope it does. I certainly feel like that, that you know, you know that people are on the edge during audition times and that got to sort of deal with things lightly and be a bit more bit more caring. There is a strong this strong organisations around mental health we know that the roller coaster of being a performer means that you do have ups and downs. I think often

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learned that

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you've got to somehow find ways to squash the roller coaster. Yeah, make the make the highs a bit lower, make the lows a bit higher.

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And that means that I have this conversation a lot with people of light. It's about what how you define yourself and when you sort of as an actor or as a performer in any way defined by your work, whether or not you're in it or not in it and then when you're in it the quality of the work that you're doing if that sort of defines you as a person then you're running the risk of the extremities of the roller coaster Yeah, if you can find otherwise define you and and you know, otherwise to find your truth and, and have self love that doesn't come from I got cast in that thing or the audience support me louder tonight or whatever. you're much more likely to have a safe a longer journey on on the path. And for me, it's it's it's things things like meditation, and

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Really Help Help me because they've helped me understand myself and then understand the broader community of the suffers of being a performer. And then the broader community of this fucking world. Yeah, who you know, to a degree we all suffer. Yeah, and we're all flawed we all have our our issues and if you can walk around under the knowledge that we do, then you not a not you know, we eat or know that you just went to the gym. Yeah. That you can sort of seek comfort in that, that you you know, you You're all we're all special, and none of us are special. Yeah, no, it's our docs and I think the

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the the managing the highs is interesting, because I don't think it's necessarily spoken about that much. How do you manage the highs? Well, for example, like, when the album came, came out.

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I had no expectations for it. It's a classical crossover album.

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You know, I just didn't

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really didn't have any expectations on other than it was this massive passion project for us. But then it went to number one on the areas and number one on the iTunes charts and taking that Andre area

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in the in the classical world and

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I like immediately always like, like it was what the like.

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I was just like, I got the call from from the record label. It was about seven o'clock and I was about to do a show at 730 and I was just screaming in my dressing room. No one came in

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I was literally guy like a girl like a little girl.

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Like I was like

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trying to get

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around.

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And

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you know you wanted to share it with the whole world. So you posted on social media. And then I was just like cool.

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That was awesome. And in that week posted, I immediately did some reflecting and when, what was my, what was the best part of this album? Yeah, like, and the journey still going with it. But what was the best part I go, it's actually the number one thing was a high for,

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I don't know, five

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minutes. The best fucking part was being in the studio

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with improv and listening to the orchestra play the orchestrations and the music that we spend the last half a decade creating because that moment when they play those first by Iris Goodall's track was the first one they played.

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I just broke down like I was, it was so such an outpouring of emotion because you've been, I've been hanging on to this stuff for so long, and it's been my baby and john Foreman's baby to a degree, sort of the two of us working on this thing. Then it expanded out to maybe six or seven people working on it, and then suddenly this orchestra is creating the work and

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Yeah for me that will be the most magical yeah isn't it the process is so rewarding but yet the high from success of something especially nowadays for everyone online seeing numbers skyrocket and all the attention can they can fuck with the head totally but that that highs higher than the feeling of that lower consistent like joy that you get from your creative craft yeah and so it's it's it's really process versus result and that's what it comes down to is to enjoy the process because if you want so if you do like daily blogging if you're blogging every day and fucking hate that bit and only get the joy when it comes

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it's it may have joy for like half an hour with me if I'm if I'm you know, waiting for the applause of the end of the number or the end of the show and actually don't like doing the show at all waiting for an album do number one but don't like singing or don't like the creative process. No, there's no point in doing it. It's not no it's actually no, he's equation for do you think? Like because I haven't made

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How many people that are doing something consistently that are doing it only for numbers? Because I think the thing that they're doing is actually too hard to do if you're not passionate about it. Have you? Do you think there are actually people that do it strictly for the number, but you're actually doing something hard? Like the people who make videos daily? That's a hard thing to do. Yeah. So you know what, I think if you ask anyone who's in any of those worlds, and pretty much pretty much any, any, any career that involves a level of passion, that they'll tell you that the process is the most important, but

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if they truly sort of analyse daily situations, are the in that analysing, are they sort of going, hang on? I'm on I'm more results driven the process. I don't actually I'm actually not that present in what I'm doing. I'm outcome based. I'm trying to get that email said I'm trying to get that document finished inside like they're not actually

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In the process of writing and enjoying health and fitness, right, like are you doing it because you're

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doing it because you enjoy that? Yes. Yeah. And it's exactly the same thing. So you shouldn't want it

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Yeah, I know I mean I love apps but I like the process

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when I have to go back I worked I worked really hard for that and here's the result of it but if I fucking hated the eight week transformation thing that I did Yeah, well then there's no there's no there's no longevity is no sustainability if you love going and lifting weights five days a week, because you'll probably get ads at some point. Yeah, if you just yeah, just yeah, just get a sense. When you said I saw those number number one and I and you got all that high emotional state happening. We like okay, hang on. Maybe I need a fight about the price. I was very much No, no, not at all because I love that process. But I was I'm I become very aware the

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I get all of those highs because they've been some great moments in my career.

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And I'm much more like, All right, let's celebrate this. Let's have a great night out. And that's about this. And then let's, let's move on and move forward to the next moment in my life.

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And that was that was really it. I think you have to have this celebrations or else yeah. You know, you're not really experiencing it in a way. Yeah, I find I don't actually celebrate enough. Well, I think that's a part of the process, too. Yeah. That that's, I think that's a really important part of the process because you have worked your ass off on things and they, they, they deserve a celebration. Yeah, even just the completion of the project, regardless of the external outcome, you know, the external response to it. Well, here's the thing you get rewarded from people are in the community for having that one thing that does get the numbers or the attention and then they saying congratulations or you know, this is great, and it's only on one little piece.

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They're not saying, well done. You've worked really hard in the last six years on your singing and it's now at a point where you just like it's beautiful, and it's coming together for you. That's not what I say. No, I say, Josh, that number one beat that Andre reo guy. That's why people seek that sort of thing. Right? It's like with TJ was on the project last week for doing an expose a on 711 coffee. It was a silly thing to be on the project for but what was the exposure about the quality of

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the country? So it was just suddenly

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I saw a guy test. Tommy, the biggest fan of 711 coffee, a $3. Coffee, you press the button, and a guy put it into a $2 cap, and it fits. And so there's this size problem that they've got the first time Tommy said it fits into a $2 so they're ripping you off. $1 that's the essence of the video. Let's use this fun little test that I did. But it's like what, what do you have to say about that?

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was a bunch of other people

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spring holiday there on school holidays and shopping. Walid Ellie's wife was filling in. So it was it was fun. But a lot of people said to me, Well, Dan, like, congrats, mate, which is cool. It's like, Sure, it's the thing that struck a chord.

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Do you find that? Is it an individualistic or sort of a group? process? What you do? It depends on on the project. I think when you're in a in a cast, yeah. There's got to be a sense of where a team Yeah. And when you're working with another with another actor, you know, it's,

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well, they, the grey ones always say acting is reacting. So

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if you're not, if you're not with that other person and you know, sharing that experience with him, and it's all about you, then well then it's going to be fought to a degree I think, so they always

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has to be a sense of community or a sense of team. But it's some it's a solo thing at times, you know? And it's and it's an alone world at times.

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And if you can separate alone world from a lonely world, I think you're, you'll be you'll be okay. When it gets lonely. That's when it gets dangerous. I think that's when people stop turning to

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alcohol and drugs and whatever sort of sooth the thoughts or whatever's going on what creates the loneliness because you could have two people in the same position and one's lonely one's not lonely. One's alone. Yeah, ones alone. Yeah. And once lonely. Yeah. And this is, I think this is probably one of the most important things I think, alone is is you know, has an awareness to it. It has a presence to it. It has accountability to it. It has

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a self love to it.

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That's

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some of the most valuable qualities you can you can have as a

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Individual loneliness is a sort of

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involves things like playing the blame game, what like, you know

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psychoanalysing things in your head creating storylines in your head, you know how we do we do that about, about anything like, you know, she said that to me or he said that to me and then suddenly creating those narratives you create this narrative about it and and you know, I feel so lonely in this I feel so yeah.

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I got a full bag of cook, and a bottle of gin.

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Really good right now for a second that you're in such an acting style

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is a miniature little fairy looking creature that walk past not sure what that is. And so do you. Can you recognise when you're getting into the state of talking about narratives and thinking about that, and how do you get out of it? Yeah, I mean, I guess that that comes back to meditation.

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What sort of meditation do you do?

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Is it like a specific style?

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I would say Vedic is sort of the one I do but like, I'm happy to just to all have any protocol, like who's the creative headspace? I think he's an amazing guy. And so I'm happy to just to check on a headspace that the app and and get busy on that and sit with that I love his you know his thoughts of the day and had a really good one yesterday about letting go which has been a huge part of narrative for for me like an internal narrative for me this year about expectations of things and people and just learning to let go of and not not

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yet not creating storylines and narratives around things that you can't control.

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How do you keep that for longer term because I feel like I have those moments to where I listen to an audiobook and I feel feel inspired. But how do you segment it from something that is with you for a day or you have an experience with a homeless person then all of a sudden

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You have this extreme empathy and then you go on to your regular day and start to, you know, I think it's, I think it's about

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consistency. You know, it's a practice, it's, it's, you know, if you if you're meditating 10 minutes a week, you're going to have a certain experience and a certain outcome if you meditating to 20 minutes twice a day.

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things going to be really different. It's it's just repeating those

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those thought patterns. It's sort of a neural adaptation. Oh, yes.

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That you can't help but become, you know, more grateful, more empathetic, more present. I mean, is there a quality over quantity thing? And is there diminishing returns with it? Like, is it because I guess it's I don't think so. I don't think he'd be good or bad at meditating. Yeah.

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And I think that's the thing that people go into it. A lot like Chicago like trying to. Yeah, I don't know how to stop my thoughts. Yeah, I just come

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Stop my thoughts on like, Well, why don't you let go the idea of something or thoughts and just understand you can have.

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But if you can have some sort of mantra or some sort of central thing that you're coming back to, whether it's a whether it's a word or whether it's a phrase, or whether it's a breath or whatever it is

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that you know you over time, those thoughts will will dissipate. There's a really good Andy protocol, animation. That's what I love about he does these little animations on his face that are great. And one of them is

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he's enlightened and also knows after effects.

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Obviously, it's really

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he loves the process. He said, sometimes we get into these, these storyline of thoughts and negative thoughts, generally, and it's like being on a freeway with cars coming back and forth, and you're running the freeways because of like your thoughts and and you're running and chasing them all and trying to go What about that one, and then you move from that one to the next one? Well, what about what we're doing right here right now and you sit back objective

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And on the side of the freeway, which is one sort of better in terms of the thoughts but to just fucking safer because I'm gonna get hit by truck and just allow the cost to go by and watch him and that's basically what it is he's here you watch the thoughts go by and you come back to your central thing and over time those thoughts sort of dissipate a little bit and for you learn to not

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engage in them as much and it's

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there's nothing that's been more life changing for me as a as a human as an actor than then

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engaging in that what about ambition then because I guess you could say the same thing with like, say every one of those cars is an opportunity, you know, as a How do you control ambition is ambition something that needs to be kept in check, or do you find that like your bed because I find sometimes that when I forget about something when I pull away from when I stop trying so hard, it actually starts that's exactly what this one was? was about you

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This is this letting go is if you try and try and chase something and you work out, it's like you become more confused or it's not coming to you and then you let it go and it comes to Yeah. Is it too much focus on something? I think it's actually like, focus on the outcome, or a lack of clarity, minutes or when you're chasing cars. right track. Yeah.

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Good track. Would you lie with me?

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Jai Jai? Jai, Jai, have

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you back to it? If you don't have clarity on what you're actually going for? Yeah. Then I think your ambition is like I think with meditation and letting go you lose the sense of ambition, you actually can gain clarity. Yeah. And so you go

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This is this is my yeses This is my nose and this is what I want to go on my on my path. And I have the presence to to enjoy it and watch it as it happens. I have peripheral to see what's happening on the other side. It's not like I'm a racehorse with the blinkers on and, but I know exactly what I'm I'm trying to achieve here. And I'm going to go on that path and I'm ambitious about it. And that's, I think that's healthy, but I think it must be hard for you being like, sort of a triple threat or even

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or whatever threat you want to call it. Like you've got a lot of talents. And so that must open up so many different opportunities.

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Present you could do so how do you control that? I mean, I it's about that's definitely about clarity, like, Yeah, what what do I want to go for the moment is, I really want to be able to do my, my, my music, my classical crossover stuff, live as much as possible. So we're working on an Australian tour at the moment.

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But, I mean, I hope Australia loves it, but I know that that musics more of a thing in Europe. Yeah. So how do I get, you know, UK and Europe distribution of his album? Well, no one knows me in Europe. So

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I love also doing musical. So I know my path is sort of go, I go, I spend more time in London and audition there and and hopefully get some bigger roles in the West End. And with that, I can sort of, you know, use the album sort of collateral together with that, and hopefully develop a bit more of a reputation bit more of a name there and then that's going to give me opportunities to do my UK and, and your stuff with the album saga. Well, there's a bit of a three year yeah, path there. And so that's what I'm sort of at the beginning of now. It's been a

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it's a strategy a lot of people use where they go, Okay, I'll do this something to then get to that other thing. Yeah. But the good thing in your case, is this something is actually something you actually passionate about where

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something is going, God I really love to play Phantom and Phantom of the Opera.

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That's the

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plan

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it's all a part of it. I think people feel so unfulfilled is when they are just an accountant know this to accountants but if you hate it and you're only doing it because of stuff you an accountant at the radio station hoping to get on air.

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Yeah, you probably going, look I can, I can sing I can sing in these few stalls I could go down that track of that. And also like musicals and also like TV and film and also like hosting and like you just got Yes, it's good to have your finger in pause. But suddenly you you spreading yourself too thin, I think and you go, I can't actually do any of this. Well, yeah. But I can do a lot of things. So contemporary operate isn't the biggest market in you know, you know, turning on FM, radio and hearing it. How do you navigate and decide around things where it's like actually deciding to go down the path of having a name having an age. Yeah, maybe it's one of those things that you find and finds you

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I don't know when I started singing and doing singing training. I just love that stuff. Yeah. You know, I loved Josh Groban. I love

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Pavarotti and we going looking at all the old tenors and so I'm not going to mention the names because people go out and I mention one that I knew already got it

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and I just love singing like that. Yeah. And so when I got to join the 1010 is in the one was like 21 I'm like theses. So what is the 1010 is is an Australian, a very successful

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Australian pop up or a group that have travelled around the world on albums to great acclaim since the mid 90s. And the cast it's got a sort of a cast turnover. Now they started as 10 Queensland guys from the Conservatorium there who, after this sort of success of the three tenors got together and tried to get me to be a money together and ended up doing really well in in Queensland and then Saturday.

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quite well in Australia in the late 90s and then got picked up to do stuff in Germany and suddenly just doors open also Europe and the states and ever since then they've been touring as they probably next to like the Blue Man Group and the wiggles looks like the thunder down and is that what they

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mean the top five most successful all time Australia international touring groups Hey Thunder from

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it's an incredible success storey of you know, rags to riches. So, do it doing that was amazing. But you know you wanted and I've always wanted to do it by myself. Some of the spots that we travelled to through through Europe, I've just gone that's exactly where I want to perform. You know, like in in the, I guess it's like a PX in Santiago, which is in the northwest part of Spain, Portugal. Like that. That for me like, looking like I could so vividly remember looking at their and singing their

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And just going what the what the fuck is my life? This is incredible 2121 doing this, but I want to go back there. Yeah, with my music with such similarities I was 19 touring with a stripping group

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Jake and the fat man

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that is that shit now with where you're at and looking back and seeing where that fits in your journey to where you're going and where you are now looking to where this is going I think in my 20s I fail to look back at all the experiences and and

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really fully

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really fully appreciate them the full gravity of them. Because I looking forward. Yeah. Yeah.

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And now now I definitely can spend much more time you know, reflecting on that and that that reflection actually inspiring Is it is it because you

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You're more content with the progress you've made, or is it because you're more aware? Probably both.

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Both

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Okay, it helps getting some wins and in fact okay that's that's puts puts me at ease here that I've managed to sell for I'm like when you're young guy there's this sense of like, Well, I haven't done it yet and I need to so maybe ego plays a bigger role is you know that you've got an inside you but you don't have the runs on the board. Yeah, it's totally but i think that you know, the the wins. I don't know the wins teacher as much as the losses Yeah. But actually working the losses are probably more important in terms of creating a stealing you to be able to

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get through the shit. Yeah. And if we're all wins, I don't I don't think anyone would do that. Well, yeah. Well, you gotta have that bet. You got to have some foot pain. And I mean, it's relative pain like my pain is is is different to

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You know a suffering refugee in Syria you know it's a different kind of pain but we all have some form of you look at child stars that have always had yeses and us here at train wreck child stars it's like maybe just when they start falling off a little bit too difficult Yeah, because you've just felt such success all your life you don't know any different don't have those coping mechanisms. Yeah, and so if so acting is a really good thing for that because no one really hears about all the rejections he did.

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But like, pretty much most weeks I'll have a month I'll be off for something whether it's an ad or a TV thing or centre itself type or do an audition with something and you don't get it Yeah, and learning how to just go not emotionally attached to it like we're talking about saying before, like not allowing that to sort of define me like this guy. Well, I'm still talented at that just wasn't robbed me maybe that we're looking for the bomb guy. Or maybe

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I just didn't suit that roll my Bob's off the vibe I want that that's cool doesn't mean I'm shit. What is being something that you've sort of rejection or sort of a trip that you've had? Or you fallen over what? That's been a big lesson for you? Is there been any real key ones?

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Yeah, I've always my being my bonnet I guess it's still a bit in my bonnet. Always want to do lame is? Yeah.

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So in 2012 I moved up to London and audition for it straightaway. And they said oh, yeah, come back for a callback and did a callback and didn't hear much and then it was coming out to Australia. And so I went I went back to Australia to the sort of it the final rounds of the auditions and

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and I go well, we've seen you same creative things. So we've seen you twice already when I need to see you again for these initial stages come towards the end. So in towards the end and and

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I get it and I've always not just thought of myself as that role in that show, growing up through union whatever am I, I am that role and I am perfect for that and I will play that and so to go not you're not you're not right for it was like, I just couldn't understand and it just sat with me so ugly for so so many months, I mean, how it was probably five or six years ago, and I just couldn't understand it that and what you do is you start the conversations with people, you talk about the auditions with with mates and and you know have that thing of like creating storylines about what they were hypothesising the creative team and you go down these tracks about the end. And these are conversations, hypotheses conversations that last 45 minutes to an hour.

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It's all fabricated. I hit him in the head of my friends or whatever but it comes from like it we say that we've got a good gut instinct and we know they said we we don't know what other people are saying. Yeah, and we say it in all

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To

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allow myself to comes to ease with with with it or kind of lame. Yeah. And when at the end of the day

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I responsible for the huge component of it. Yeah. The fact that I wasn't right for it I wasn't the enjoy a good job in the room. And I was nervous back in that audition because I placed so much emphasis on us. I was so attached to everything that if I didn't get it, I

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I couldn't sort of live with myself. Set yourself up. I think if you were to describe a resilient person in that space, it'd be someone who can go to auditions. Do them get knocked back now it's not for me. Next one, do it. You have to become a resilient person. It requires that you need that shit you need and I actually

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found a video online

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probably two and a half years ago of Bryan Cranston to Bryan Cranston. For

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Yeah, I don't matter family, I'm in the middle, good show. And he said,

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the problem with actors is that going in to an audition, trying to get a job.

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And that creates a scenario where they going to fail, they fail, what an actor should be doing is going in with the most interesting, compelling version of whatever character they're trying to go for. And that's it. And you do that in the room, and then you let it go, you leave. And it's like this. There's strength in that. And there's power in that, you know, in that that's it. I have I have always gone in trying to get the gig. Yeah, yeah, it's not totally Yeah, yeah. And from then on, all I, all I've done is gone. What is my most interesting version of it, so my prep for the audition is far more enjoyable. And I'm coming out with all sorts of interesting things that like, I'm in my space going, Oh, that's a beauty and like, I'm like actually having a great time with it. And then it's just about going, I'm just going to repeat that.

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In the room and try and be present and save on come with more things in the room and when they throw me stuff, I'm going to take on that direction and play with that. And that's creates a really good energy. I think people only want to work with that energy Mo, but I enjoy it more. And I go well, on that day, I did the very best version of that character I could in that place and talk. Yeah, and that's all like a transferable device to job interview. Yeah, yeah. For life. It's it's hard to swallow for some people because I think you go I remember me feeling like that. Not getting something and being super destroyed about it. If I didn't have that experience, I wouldn't be the person I am now. Yes. And that's a hard thing. Out of the path. Yeah. For the for people that are at what point did you go from telling yourself now this is okay to actually now this is okay. Yeah. Yeah. For you with with that example, you know, you said it was five or so years ago, what has been the what part of the process are you in now in the sense of

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Accepting, is there a level of acceptance that you have now? Yep, there is. But there's also an understanding that sometimes I'll revert back to bad habits. Yeah. And I get emotionally attached.

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And it's normally down the back end of a run of an audition, like when I get to the variable final stage, although I had a really nice one recently, where I had some auditions to take over for a role in Aladdin across Australia, and got down to the last two and didn't get it couldn't fathom right, the carpet

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cleaner is fucking mechanical.

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And I was in barn this is maybe three weeks ago. Yeah.

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And

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my agent called me, I was

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I was he goes,

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he goes, and he called me and he's I can hear the the

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sad tone and nice voice hit me with my and he's like, they just cold and they said, I love what you did. And you couldn't have done a better job. But they're going on with the other guy.

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And I went, Okay. And I went, I couldn't have done a better job with what I had. And I was like, You know what, I have some really good feelings about my time in London and my time in New York. And this is very relaxing, though, too.

1:00:16
But it was a

1:00:18
much better headspace about dealing, dealing with that. And I know that there'll be times where I'll be really emotionally attached to something, and it'll hit me like a, you know, a tonne of bricks in the face.

1:00:30
And I'm also cool with that, too, that you know, you you can't be just so easy about everything all the time. Like, you know, you revert, but it was it was speaking with our mate, race Mitchell, who's a Australian actor, talking about how you can be entrepreneurial Yeah, as an actor with the idea that your job is basically getting picked for things. How do you find it when it comes to performing? How do you sort of manage being on your

1:01:00
Arrow because you did pit fit. You were like yeah, actually had a crack and did business. Yep. And I think I've always

1:01:06
been someone if you ask any of my sort of making the base is very business. Yeah. And I've always been like always hustled for gigs, when I'm out of work. I mean, trying to get corporate gigs or singing an anthem at an event or whatever it is just to like, pay the bills. I've always hustled really hard for that, and had a supportive community like, yeah, I'm Jewish and Jewish. I'm not like, I'm cool. The issue is prominent.

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But the Jewish community movement have been really supportive that and always, you know, booked me for something or whatever. And that that does a little about me. It's

1:01:45
just like events and whatever. So I've always hustled hard for for those sort of things. But at the end of the day, I the work is, business is a part of it. It's what's called show business, but the art is profit.

1:02:00
And if you're all business and now Yeah, then your staff but it sometimes if you're all out and no business Yeah, you sort of stuff too because it's all good and well doing some amazing work. But if you're playing to you know, your living room, then no one saying it. Yeah. I think you gotta you gotta strike a balance. Also right like if you don't have that business head surround yourself. Yeah Really good people who can can help you with that. Yeah, the anthem thing like singing in an event. I feel like that's one of the scariest things someone could do. Like whenever I've been at a stadium and you say someone's singing the anthem. That's sort of like if people are scared of public speaking that in this is the epitome like fear because you can't do it. Well. I can only do it badly. Yeah. Well, it's not like when was the last time you had caught I came from that.

1:02:56
Socceroos game and it was all

1:03:00
About the anthem she was it was just this vocal performance that blew me away what time remember the football just remember that

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you only get people who stuffed it up forgot the lyric so you know what I went to the second

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who did the American one really poorly?

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Oh yes.

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She

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She started with let's get it started

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I don't know many references

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like I pasted that song

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So yes, it's so scary operation DD well you just do

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so much external stuff we can go wrong.

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So what firstly the sound bounces around the stadium and you get like, you know the

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The delay of hearing the sound coming back and also everyone seeing at a time

1:04:07
so that's that you have any ideas yeah but more often than not they don't work yeah so I had one saw this year was the sad

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the test

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and and it just we had

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to soundcheck the day before both at like 6am outrageous times to come in and sing for say it because you got to come in before anyone starts working with the members come in or whatever it is beautiful work a trade in here the track Oh, sorry lovely. Can't hear any of the thing around the stadium. Get to the to the gig and sending this all on. He needs working. Knock on here thing. It's yours. Absolutely.

1:04:49
We'll keep working on that. Okay, well, panic attack yet.

1:04:55
Still got here thing. All right. 30 seconds ago. We're on in 30 minutes.

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No, they absolutely not working

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here thanks. I like him working. It's not gonna happen right you're gonna have to go with

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the fallback. So golf. So you got the fallback the wages in front of you. Yeah. Nice out, pull us out work with a wages and it's just about you know, you know you can focus on a sound Yeah, like there's a million sounds in here but you can focus on one yeah, that's what you have to do you just have to get your ears attuned to that and just shut out everything else. Josh Janssen was in the audience singing and a

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reference point

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so that's and people people don't know that they really this guy. He was he was good but how did you feel once you walked off the field? An overwhelming sense of relief that I got the lyrics right and I stayed in time and I went for the money notice the end of

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life so you actually know that because it can you hear yourself? Do you feel like I think it sounds okay, but I'm not completely sure.

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Or you actually sense that you were doing or I know since I was always getting through it. Yeah, that's about how much yeah. And and what you want that experience to be is this

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sense of national pride and patriotism. And I'm the guy singing the air that I'm having a great time. And you know that one. I've had ones where has been that but that one was just a tough one. There's a really good one. I recently have a mate of mine, Ben Clark, who I did tennis with, and he was on the voice recently. And he did. I think it was a Bledisloe. Yeah. And he went for the most option or high note a man has ever gone or at the end of the anthem, and totally nailed it.

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on Fox Sports The other probably the day after

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they've cut to the vision of it.

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Anytime anyone's talk about the national anthem, a really, really good at the end of it. He saw Ben he surprised himself I think he's like, no one can say my face but he's giving it like the sort of appreciative

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favourite

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sports have done this thing on him and he's like

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he knew he got it

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he knew it was all over and they're all giving him

1:07:17
it's funny there's certain things where you just don't expect props and one of them was us landing in New York City on the Turkish Airlines Flight that person landed so the pilot I should say person it was the pilot yeah land highly trained highly dedicated to his ended so well lay that everyone applauded the end of the flight. I can play analysis I'm going to do it too because it was just because the thing is they have screens in the seats where you can watch the plane land, but they've got a camera at the front. You actually see the runways GoPros Yeah. Simon lifelock Yeah, that's one occupation where you really should be focused on outcome.

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The cameraman

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on my flight from the

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Lenny and Li Oh seek you just like singing the same line it just it's amazing hit like the middle point will pay will

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imagine that's what was happening

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close is probably love it you know when you land in Israel yeah with a

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Hello is the Israeli airlines? Everyone pauses pauses applause yes we're back in the chosen way

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that we are

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back on that guy. Yeah, that's that's emphasis on the Jew of Jewish

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howdy g know when you're doing a performance in general. So when you're doing the musical anything like that, do you how do you sense how you're feeling? Is there a certain thing or another words good on here whether it's good or not and do you actually feel it because when I'm watching things like when I actually watch a watch a performance, the I'm more interested in like we watch ballet female

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ago, and I was more watching him and thinking about how the performers were feeling and what they were like, I wonder if their friends I wonder like, what's the relationship here or that sort of thing? Like what's actually going on in your head when you're doing a performance?

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Well, I sort of feel like the more that's going on in my head, the less chance I have of doing anything remotely good. Okay.

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I do my best shows when I am in a complete state of trust.

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I trust them My voice is working really well. I trust that my moment my same partner or partners,

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evolving and playing, I know exactly what I want in that same as my character, and I just let it all happen. And some of those performances and they're the ones that you kind of go that was that was that was a bomb when you go, no idea what happened out there. Yeah, don't remember. don't really remember it. It's blow isn't it yet state of Florida and I recommend if you speak to any

1:10:00
Probably elite athlete or whatever, like, fade probably doesn't remember every part of some of those, you know, the 65 Wimbledon.

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Like

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what about though and i think that's that's the important site. That's just, that's, that's where you want to be that's complete state of trust. And then you literally are just living in the moment and allowing emotion to do to do the work. What about those say if you have you had this an emotional role that it requires you to be really emotional and channelling those things. Have you had a fight before you've gone on stage and it's actually been a great a great outcome because of the bad feelings before Yeah, totally. Like,

1:10:45
doing beautiful. I mean, it's probably the most emotional role I played. And there were times when, when things would happen, off stage that would dictate

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moments on stage and and

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For Tommy always like, no I can't let this get up getting away but but after a while you just go I'll just use that. Yeah, fuck it. I'm sorry.

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I'm just gonna use that. Oh yeah, they fucking left the Seder but

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put it in a bank.

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How do you actually use it? What is the in it? Like, is it in the actual performance? Or, like if you've got negative energy? Can you use it on a negative energy? Oh, I just say like,

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you know, something?

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Something, something really funny happened offstage. Yeah. And you're about to enter a scene where you fall in love with someone for the first time. There's, there's an energy that that brings mindfulness.

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Yeah, that that's really it's really warm, man. I mean, if you see the show, if you saw the show five times, you probably go I didn't notice any difference.

1:12:00
But it's just a it's just a truth that is running through my veins at that time that you can you can use Can you enjoy watching other shows? Are you constantly analysing things? Like a film? So that cut shit cat?

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I, I have I have to watch shows and enjoy them? Yeah. Well they occasionally when there's a role like I like to play that I stopped watching a little bit analytically. But I mean I saw ladies just trying to do the performance I just say you in the corner.

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Well,

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I was sort of doing that when I saw waitress yesterday because I'm auditioning for that in London at the moment.

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And I'm good business doing the post on Instagram.

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I'll see how it goes. But I saw Dr. Evan Hansen the other night and the best thing I've seen in ages and I just sat there is a complete AUDIENCE MEMBER just mesmerised by everyone in it the subject matter of the pace

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The quality of the production I was just like this is this is why I'll come to New York yeah it's pure inspiration of just going because I like after doing a long run of a show you just saw that video the thought of doing a musical sometimes for well for me that's how I felt I just can't bear it so coming to like the mic my well as one run draw on that front coming It's just this incredible fuel that yeah, that enters me that I don't get anywhere else.

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It's pretty it's pretty magical space and said tonight, you're going to beautiful again, it's a beautiful me so I've never I've never seen you'll be judging the guy that plays you, won't you.

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It's funny, even is

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it's become a mate of mine online like when

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I first got cast, but we're probably about two months into the run or something like that.

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I contacted online and we just

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Saudi again chatting with me. We had this long long chat it sort of started at interval. I messaged him during interval of a show. And then by 2am was still sort of chatting.

1:14:12
So we've remained friends and then we caught up the other night and we went to Broadway took me to Broadway bowling, which I was trying to explain to you guys off and they told me to shut up so we can try to play for this. Yeah, so the community here is so strong. I mean, when you got that many plays and musicals.

1:14:27
You just have this incredible community. It's not like that at home. So they've got all sorts of things they do they like in the summer there's like, each team has a baseball team. HGH, cost is a baseball team. And in in the in the fall, and in the winter, they go into bowling, and so always playing on the Carol kingpins.

1:14:48
And I think we were up against the play that goes wrong. Yeah, she's a play here that's been running for a long time. And so each each Wednesday, they do this after the show and there's drinks and food and whatever in

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You know, you get to sort of meet people in different costs and it's really, really cool. So anyway, I'm gonna say the show tonight I can't I can't wait, I wonder, I wonder what happens. And then then we're gonna have to drink some stuff afterwards and I'll meet some people in the cast and sort of

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which I did the other day but more and I you know, it's just interesting to share experiences.

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Because, you know, even though it's the same show, no two experiences will will be the same so I think you'll have an appreciation for it because you know exactly what guys totally every Sunday and Evan details like, I'm gonna have to like, you know, do big vocal warm ups and like, being like my best guy and I'm like, No, I might I'm not gonna be the chatty mic judges and all the while going to have my binoculars.

1:15:45
No, I just I need to be like, I just want to appreciate it and he's, he's a great guy and I spent time with Giuliana who plays she's on a break of the moon, but she she plays Carol had lunch with her and what happened recently, the other night.

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Yeah, beautiful, beautiful energy and just great, great human. So when you know someone well, or when I know someone well I don't go into a show.

1:16:13
Looking to pick them apart, I go in sort of wanting to do the best job and being super proud of them for that job. So yeah, yeah. Can we be a better audience to musicals and how can you be a better audience to musicals? Stop heckling. Number one. Have you had a heckler? Oh yeah, beautiful. I had heckles because he's such he's such an asshole to her.

1:16:37
That's you know you doing a good job if you're gonna hit left.

1:16:43
Front Row.

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We got some serious pumping going on some music.

1:16:51
Yeah, I love any any guy has a do rag

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on what does

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Baka Yes, yes, yes. It's beyond what's what's the other one called? Beyond the band? The full head. Yeah. So I had a guy in the front row once. This is the scene where he's cheated on a couple of times. And she she catches him really and knocks on the door, the apartment, the woman he's sleeping with. And she comes out. And she said is Jerry here? He goes, No. And then Jerry walks out and he's like, this is the food.

1:17:29
And when that happens, I stood in the doorway, and it got on the front rows, guys. Oh, you're a fucking

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that was a brilliant one. I had a woman and today had a reaction from the rest of the audience to remember. He said it sort of not loud enough for people

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to enjoy.

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Pit and certainly

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Here,

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like arrow, and then there was one an incredible one. It's the all time best woman front row, the dress circle, you know, in a solid moment in that scene to where not only is he sort of come out and he's, you know, done this, he's totally unapologetic about his behaviour and she disguise

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the whole theatre just stopped

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and then erupted in laughter. I mean, I have, I'm having the next slide and is looking at me like

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I just couldn't cope with it. And it turns out and then that that day turns out for the, like three or four days and the whole run well, I had to give a speech afterwards for

1:18:48
for another charity. I'm an ambassador for code.

1:18:54
Entertainment assist, so that's so noisy

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entertainment assistance.

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It's basically a charity that looks off the mental health of everyone in the industry.

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So I had this opportunity to speak after the show. And I said First things first.

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We're who and where is the woman who called me and

1:19:16
she was like,

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are

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you I want to meet you afterwards at stage door

1:19:28
for a selfie.

1:19:31
So it turns out she owns a place just around the corner called Mrs. Palmer's. Yes, I love Mrs.

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Mexico Mexican.

1:19:41
I'm sorry, I'm going there.

1:19:44
She was she was a so I don't know how we got on to this topic.

1:19:51
To get a selfie with Josh

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Chicken

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named

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So, listen to the the intro that says turn your mobile phones off. Because there's nothing worse than you in an intense scene or in a song or something, whatever and the mobile phone goes off.

1:20:13
Stand up at the end. Yeah, just stand up. The thing is, you have to leave the theatre. Yeah. Within about a minute of when you would have to stand up. You couldn't stand up anyway, man. So just stand up.

1:20:26
It's the opposite of the aeroplane rule where everyone fucking stands up straight away. And we're not even at the gate. Yeah, this is the opposite. This is not an aeroplane. You can stand up. Stand up.

1:20:38
Everyone away stand. Yeah. Clap. Oh, to just say thank you. That was great.

1:20:45
But I think they also are aware that in 30 seconds time, they're leaving. Yeah.

1:20:54
Exactly.

1:20:56
They love to stand up and dance now. That wouldn't that would make people

1:21:00
into better Yeah, yeah. Don't use your mobile phone during the show. That's that's another one. Yeah. Does that throw you when you seeing people in there like you face lit up he doing your head in like as this person even give a shit? Yeah, I you know

1:21:16
if it's an emergency, whatever, I totally understand it but if you just want to get that content looking at the epigram Yeah, well, if I see Yeah,

1:21:25
I must be really boring. Like, I must be doing a terrible job reflects more on the audience of like an author of the day and age that we're in where it's like, people don't even realise you're doing it right. The chicken. Well, I've had a few a few chats to performance here about

1:21:41
the sort of future of the business. Yeah, where's it going? And I did see something on the West End last week called six which was amazing, but it was 75 minutes.

1:21:51
No, no intermission. Long time. No, that's short. Short.

1:21:59
Michael

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Tommy went to is actually the ones where the school Yeah, they have at the school performances and the the actors camp like do the two of you actually ever done that the two where the actors go to schools and they do like a performance on bullying Oh yeah.

1:22:15
They go there. They're short. They're short. So sort of like, was it was it Henry the draw? Yes. Yes.

1:22:23
How

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was done?

1:22:28
When I was in New Zealand I saw the Herald like a funeral.

1:22:34
They're all dead now. But there was a place with all of the veins of Harold. Still done.

1:22:40
No, no, that was actually recently when I was there with my wife and baby. What different times I've been there not it's not short, like a little school performance like normal. It's normally two and a half hours with intermission. So nobody has 70 minute x 60 minutes in a 20 minute intermission. So to go just one through 75 minutes as a soda

1:23:00
new thing is basically because they just going people don't have the attention span. Yeah, totally get back to long time. I mean, the only reason I wouldn't look at my phone is because I paid so much money to be there.

1:23:12
I want to get my money's worth. But the other thing about what I'm interested in is a producers gonna go Oh, well, the cost of that ticket it's 70% of the cost of a normal running musical because, you know, you only have 75 minutes, but can then can we then do a 2pm 6pm and 8:30pm? Or like, Can we is that how we can be good for the industry?

1:23:37
will ever be means that we go from doing eight performances a week to doing 12 or 13? Yeah.

1:23:45
I'm I'm sort of scared about where that where that can go. I'm going on strike.

1:23:52
Yeah, I just I just don't want it to be like to perform. I can be an absolute robot. Yeah.

1:24:00
Die. What are you doing to what does that?

1:24:03
Yeah, yeah. Wow. So yeah, so that already is a lot to do. I'd awake for a year or two years or how many years of people do before but

1:24:13
yeah, I've scary thoughts about the 12 week well, the amount of energy just takes you don't you just have to have a revolving door of talent when you? Yeah, you'd want to have some shows off. Yeah. Awesome. Josh Pittman night thank you for spending your time in New York City just to hang out with us. Good. I love watching you know what, we got to a lot of stuff there. Yeah, you know, this podcast is that whole essence of what you said progress versus outcome the progress like as doing this and going through the energy of the show, if we want to call it that it is called the daily talk show. So we'll call it the show, but you do you feel different energies you're singing one minute, like we've done so much. Great. Awesome. Enjoy the rest of the trip. Nice and what so what's next you're off to London or Melbourne, actually off to Italy.

1:25:00
What's up for 12 days see horrible be hideous. You guys just been there and I can't wait something immediately Italy's an adult.

1:25:11
Somebody went away. And I'm just exploring and, and hopefully falling in love in every city like I was like I want to have that like fantasy.

1:25:21
And then like sort of like singing Italian too, and she sort of everything happens in slo mo and there's a vignette in the distance, that kind of stuff. So I hope that I'm in five cities.

1:25:31
And then I'm back to London for a few weeks with some auditions and stuff. Well Awesome. Thanks. Nice the daily talk show. Hi, the daily talk show if you want to send us an email or you can check out our Reddit to reddit.com forward slash our forward slash the dough talk show. Have a good one. So yes, thanks, guys.
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