Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the ground spot.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys in the calendar just like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.
It's the daily talk show episode 951. Welcome.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:25] Welcome for your hump day.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:26] Thank you for having me. Uh, Tommy jacket. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:29] Thanks for joining me, Josh Janssen. Um, today we're going to cover it.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:33] We actually got a lovely email. I did we, uh, Hey guys, just listening to episode 950. That was yesterday. I thought it was Bodhi.
Hey guys. Uh, as he is in the intro. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it's hard to say where the line. Of re-invention should be drawn, but I definitely force myself to make some radical changes in my thinking in the past six months or so this comes from Sean crunk, Sean, by the way.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:59] And yesterday we were talking about how, if you've sort of had your thinking turned upside down.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:04] Yes. Uh, I'm doing a PhD at the moment and right as stage four, Melbourne lockdown hit last year, nothing was going right with the PhD and I took six weeks off from it all effectively. Unpaid leave. I ended up stumbling across morning pages and stoicism and started reading some books on soul at stoicism and listening to Ryan holiday.
And his podcast. I also came across Matt, Dave LR on YouTube, and really got into that. And that's how I found about found out about you guys. Listening to Tommy on Matt's podcast talking about Sam Harris got me onto the waking up app
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:44] as well. Yeah. I thought I did such a bad job on that episode. I've really beat myself up internally about that.
But yeah, obviously I helped
Josh Janssen: [00:01:51] somebody. Yeah. And I've been doing those meditations every day since. Fuck. Yes. Yesterday was a bit of a shocker with getting caught up in work related thoughts and doubts. And I was fleshing that out in my morning pages this morning. And how mindfulness is such a great circuit breaker for that.
Then I listened to the podcast on the way into work. And you guys are talking about just that, what are the odds in any case, I'm still doing my PhD, but I definitely feel a sense of re-invention around my mental health and my general approach to life as a result of taking that time off. Thanks for all that you guys do.
Keep it up. Cheers, Sean. Oh, that's nice.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:35] Thanks Sean. Where's Sean in Melbourne. Yeah. I said when stage four hit in Melbourne. Man that's cool. The, um, crystal also crystal Andrews. She also, uh, right through, on our Instagram, around the conversation about purpose. And I kind of touched on in a very non eloquent way about, um, how.
Purpose is something is, is thinking, we're thinking
Josh Janssen: [00:03:03] about it's a human construct, but I think was what
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:06] you were saying was kind of, I didn't say it like that. And it's like, purpose is something that we just like intellectualize and then believe, and then we just like embody, but they can change. And so therefore it's, it's not like some kind of.
I don't think there's anything much. We will about purpose of something that we don't understand. And crystal Andrews was pointing out that it is a construct like we have any, any term, any phrase humans have developed, um, is, is, is something that has just been created for us to think about. Korea that wasn't, that's not a thing beyond a word.
And then what meaning we give it. So it is, it is funny. It's funny.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:48] Was it about the episode with Dave Ella that you sort of didn't like.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:52] Oh, I don't know. I mean, w we're so used to just talk and shit and not needing to be, uh, you know, uh, experts or we're just couple of guys having a conversation about stuff that we like and stuff that we're interested in and even like touching on stuff we have no idea about, but it helps us.
Um, grow our understanding of that subject. Right? So it's like fumbling about, you know, is a version of learning as you going, and that's what the show is. And so, I dunno, maybe there's just a pressure I was thinking about. We spoke a lot about meditation. I just, I think about when that was and where I'm at now.
And so it is, I think
Josh Janssen: [00:04:31] when you're in love now, honestly, I haven't
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:34] walked in, floating around. I don't drive to work. I fly to work.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:40] I think that's there. I think the. That's what makes it relatable is, and I don't think that you come from a place of I'm an expert. I just shine. You're sharing. No,
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:52] no, I feel this it's pressure.
If you are coming from the expert vibe or you're just a groan trying to figure it out, but anything that I do it is it almost the equation should be where you are now. Looking back on what you were doing six months ago. I mean that cringe is not a bad thing because you're like, it's either an evolution.
If you were looking back saying, fuck, I actually am. I've regressed. That's a different thought.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:20] Or you cringe at like, what is this specifics?
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:24] I don't know. I, I actually, I think it may be just, um, Uh, criticism of myself and my own performance. And I think, you know, you are your worst critic, but, uh, I talked
Josh Janssen: [00:05:39] about morning routine.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:42] Well, he, he wanted to sort of have it in a focused area that he was interested in. Yeah. That you could talk to. And he knew that you could talk to it because he's interested in what you have to say about it. So, which is a different vibe just for us. I mean, I've only been on a handful of podcasts that aren't ours and it is always a vibe.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:03] And there's also, I think there's a, there's a time where you're doing a big. Download of a new idea. So for instance, Sean, just getting into stoicism in the last year, I find that you go through a thing of all Ryan holiday, all of that sort of stuff. Like you go through these sort of, um, downloads where you learn all of this stuff, and then you sort of like everyone sort of moves on to it to a different version of that.
Like I think about minimalism. Once you have cleared everything out and you're doing like, there's not, you don't need to spend every day thinking about it. You have your practices, like your morning pages. That's something that would always stay, but it's almost, you don't like it. You, you, you were then living that thing.
So you don't need to just be consuming that content you've sort of done.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:53] Yeah. There's, it's, it's like, uh, people who work in the self-help space, I go through. Times where I'm into somebody and then it's not that I'm not into them. It's just that what they're saying, their message isn't resonating the way it did, because there's a new version that I'm seeking out.
And so. There's nothing better than reading something for the first time or watching a movie and you're like, fuck, this is exactly like what Sean's saying. It's hitting at every level. And you're just like, and then you find that there is a new version that
Josh Janssen: [00:07:26] will hit Cal Newport did that for me, like two or three years ago in a massive way.
Like the whole, um, uh, deep work stuff. That was when I got off social media and it's um, but the interesting thing now is there are. Amazing YouTubers that have taken all of these thoughts that are in books and, and made them into an entertaining thing that you can just sort of passively watch at home.
So like the barrier to entry. It's so much nicer now. Oh
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:56] yeah. And then there's the reality for these people that, um, uh, there are audiences that are coming and going. I mean, it's for our show, we took a break over the, um, summer here in Maui in Australia. And it was like four weeks of not doing the show from coming from two and a half.
Years, almost three years of every single day, releasing your show. And I probably talked less for in that month than I have in the last three years. And there's, um, everything, it's no different, you come back, you like, um, you forget what you've done. You have like, uh, 900 episodes. We even had that conversation.
You're like, I'm like, It's almost like us trying to rev each other up. It's like mate, but we've done 900. It's like trying to give yourself a bit of a fucking kick up the ass, because what happens is you start thinking. Ah, we're no good. Not that you think you're really good. There comes a level of comfort in knowing that you can do the thing once the might comes home, which I feel I have had for many years based on the radio staff.
And, but, but it's not like, I, my mind doesn't actually think that my mind is more inclined to think. That I'm not capable, like, and maybe it's the heavier emotion out of the I'm capable. We're not capable. The negative has more
Josh Janssen: [00:09:15] of a, that's a protective mechanism as well. I think because then that creates the sort of the momentum.
I think that that's what the show did, Mike, by us doing so many days in a row, we built a. A momentum or a muscle that's always there, which you ha you have gained through gym, like the gym. So you can, you know, what you're capable of, so you can get straight back into it. Whereas if you've never fully committed, if you've never really done it, if the only.
Reference point that you have is doing and then filing that's a lot harder or
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:53] sticking. Oh yeah. Trying, giving out, try and giving, like, but it doesn't have to be that way. The gym analogy is great because it's the hundred kilogram bench press Josh Janssen made the thought. Well, I mean, I it's more than my body weight.
Most people couldn't bench press their body weight. Okay. And it takes you years to get to a base level of strength to be able to push two plates, 100 kegs, um, 20 pounds. Yeah. Yeah, I've done that. But getting up to that, not this year, but in my mind, I fucking done it. I reckon I could do one right now. Yeah.
I could rip a Peck cause I'm not conditioned to, but getting from 88 kilograms, 1992 95, like the barrier in my mind have to over a hundred to 20 pounds. Was fucking huge, but now I'm like, I've done
Josh Janssen: [00:10:47] it, which is your point. To be honest, Andy may not dying when I thought that I was going to die and I didn't die.
And thinking about the lack of fitness that I had, like that was the big, first big walk we'd done in a while. I think I could give that another definitely
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:05] I've said we should go do it. Did I, did I tell you my mum had a similar thing or no? I think maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get her to tell you the story. I can't remember, but it is, it's like we, uh, everyone's so hard on themselves if you're not hard on yourself ever.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:22] Who are you? Yeah. The other thing too is, um, changing your mind. So for instance, Sean, with his PhD, it's so easy to be like, ah, You've told all your friends and your family, you're doing the PhD and it's like, you've probably amped it. Like it's probably, I would feel it would be a stretch just doing it.
Right. So committing to it. And so what do we do when we're committing to it? We have to convince ourselves. And so the convincing ourself looks like, yeah, this is going to be great. This is going to be, this is the way this is what I need to do. This is going to give me so many opportunities and then things change.
And the hardest bit is changing your mind. I think, but I think there's a, there's a lot of people that, uh, doing things in life because they're worried about changing their mind because they think that by changing their mind, they're somehow, uh, flaky or unreliable or when the reality is, if you created a strategy of where you want it to be at the start of last year.
And then that strategy changes things, change life. Like you've got to make, you've got to make moves. It'd be crazy to think. Um, the decisions that I made a year and a bit ago, I have to stay with them because that's a decision where it's like, if you were navigating on a road, you worked out the map of based on what you knew.
And then you realize when you got to the road that it's on the side of a crazy cliff and there's one. Road in this way safer. You're not going to say, well, I fucking did the map here, so I've got to commit to it. You just go the other road. And that's like the beauty of like, Not being stationed. Like you're moving along.
You're finding, you're getting new context.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:10] Oh. Or you've just upgraded GPS map. And there's a better route. We w when I was in Dubai, I did route 66 and had our Mustang convertible when Fitzy hired a GPS. This was back in the day, like your phone wasn't good enough, 10
Josh Janssen: [00:13:24] bucks a day for the GPS.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:26] I heard the hack was blow up at the end and say it wasn't working.
Oh, that's a good one. I did it. I don't think it don't it, but this thing took us this. Off road. It's like going over a fucking train track in the desert. Just like, where the fuck are we going? I think we should turn back. Yeah. These things cooked. Yeah. So technically I told them that story, I may have got like a day discounted, but it is like, then the other paradox of that is like, how do you, um, ease what you eat is the changing direction.
Or changing your mind a pattern in what you've done previously, which is a hard one, because it's so unique. It's like, am I, the guy that has started and stopped, started and stopped. And then
Josh Janssen: [00:14:13] isn't that part of that, like, that can be part of the journey as well.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:19] I think it has to be part of the journey. So if that is the realization, but what I'm saying is I don't have the answer cause it's like, I've done the start and stop my whole life.
I think everyone has a version of that then it's like, when is resilience needed when he's, um, perseverance required? So for a business, let's say a business, the friction of fucking the years and three, you know, two years, three years, and then it's like easily could give up easily. And so, and you, and I've had those conversations about like, Oh, what a fuck it.
Throw the towel. He's a guy, but then, and so I don't know why, and this is the thing about,
Josh Janssen: [00:15:01] well, you have a framework maybe like maybe you've got like a certain, so look at like, um, uh, relationships. I think I like this it's it's w when you're in a long-term relationship, If little things happen, you you've taken off the table, that this is going to be the catalyst for breaking up.
Right. And so when you do that, that becomes the thing to like, Whoa, like, I guess that's the whole, like marriage long-term relationships. Like that's the working at it type of thing. So it's like, okay, what is the consistency? And then what are the changes within that, that you could be
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:38] making then? What about.
Um, the interpretation of the struggle is thought it is how you dealing with your thoughts and what is your, your what's your strategy for. Interpretation interpreting the emotion that something's causing you, which is, uh, on Sean's practice of meditation. What I do with the app, it is like the Sam says always it's like, how do you dial back the intensity 30% from whatever you're feeling, because all it is is reaction thought happening.
And then it's like, That could be what changes and makes all the difference in, in starting and stopping. How do
Josh Janssen: [00:16:24] you avoid the temptation to tell people how to live with their life?
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:29] Um, I mean, I've quit created a business around it.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:32] Uh, so think about like the meditation stuff that's working really well for you.
But there's heaps of examples like that. You've got like a mate that starts Bikram yoga changes their life to become a yoga teacher
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:47] because the guy was like,
you're right. Great practice. Yeah. So,
Josh Janssen: [00:16:56] so if you have that though, if it's, if you, uh, because that's my thing, right? Like at the beginning, I think maybe it's the start of the journey. So when you are at the start of something, You just see if you're making a big change. All that you see is that the broken bits, because the broken bits help you make the change.
So for instance, when you're leaving a job to go freelance or whatever the past the month before you leave. My boss is a fucking idiot. The people around me, a fucking idiots like these, like why did I wait so long? Right. But then like, that's a coping mechanism to be able to then be like, look at it from a different perspective.
And I feel like that's like with them. I remember when I did, um, when Viejo for a month, I would say mate, on Instagram, but yeah. Yeah. And it's, but that's the. Like a coping mechanism or no, even the coping mechanism, that's like the mind shifting. And so then that's why I think that when I think about how quickly I can change with staff, then I give him, like, I have empathy for other people around that.
Of course you, of course. You're going to think of that. Think of that way. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:10] yeah, I think there's a, um, for anyone who's doing things for years, there's probably a version where it does. Dial down in terms of how much they're spooky and willing to tell people this is what's going to change your life. And I think people are excited and passionate about things that have helped them.
Josh Janssen: [00:18:29] Well. Yeah. I think you're humbled by the process maybe too. So you realize that, um, it's not like a clear, it's not like nothing's in guarantee. Everything is hard. It doesn't matter where like it's, um, I heard someone say like, uh, companies alike, uh, think it's Swiss cheese or whatever, you know, the cheese that's got holes in it, but it's the holes that you can't see from the outside.
So I don't know which cheese that is there. Like every company is like Swiss cheese. We're more like a loaf of bread. That's got all those whole things. I think you used this exact analogy previously. Um, but yeah, everything looks good, but.
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:06] But you're pissed when you find out what's inside. But if you
Josh Janssen: [00:19:09] think about it, every single person that you're close with, when you chat to them and talk about their work nine times out of 10, they're like, Oh yeah.
Now it's like, that happened, but then there's this, this, this, like every single, like mate of mine that I'm close to, that I'm having conversations with regularly have worked problems yet. Like we always internalize or think that it's like, Oh man, Faculty like everywhere I go, there's all always issues.
It's fucking issues everywhere.
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:39] Very much. So same every morning in habits, people struggling. I think that is one of the other things about meditation is that there is a version of empathy that you gain that you then, um, realize that. When you realize how much you're struggling, as soon as you start think, thinking, as soon as you start becoming more self-aware about the suffering you are in, you realize how much suffering everyone else is having, and this everyone's swimming in it.
And it is so true. It is so true. And then that is a way of going. Well, I'm in trouble. Like maybe I should fucking dial back my emotion on how I'm reacting to this fuck head, which I feel in the moment, but they're not really a fuck ed. They're just in their head too. And so
Josh Janssen: [00:20:30] I want to react and responding and then you put the COVID stuff on it and you see that most people aren't being their best versions right now.
Like it don't don't you think that like, I think about like road rage, I see it on the roads walking in, like. There is like, there's a people, there's a lot of people who would sort of have their ends wits or whatever the fuck you say. Wit's end. Pretend. Yeah. We'll just, I'd like to know what that means. Um, I can look it up for you at, at your wit's end, which end?
What do you think? Wheats,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:59] wits, wits, like your wits about you. You've got your wits about you, your sensors at your wit's end. You're fucking blown up. Your senses are in overload. Maybe that's it.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:07] Yeah, it means, um, yeah, it's completely puzzled and perplexed. Not knowing what to do. For example, I've tried every possible source without success, but where does it actually come from?
That's what I'm curious about. Not far. Um, yeah, I can't say I've got my laptop here now, so I can, I
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:24] decided to bring nothing today as it's just nothing
Josh Janssen: [00:21:29] ever had someone knocking at the door,
someone's wanting,
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:37] someone's wanting to take a fire. So, um, there's a big mural mural in our street and. I saw the guy who was on the mural. Oh, really standing at the bottom of the mural. That's cool. Having a photo with the mural. Probably his Facebook photo and I just fucking upgrade what's the face.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:56] Yeah.
Okay. Interesting. And then, so he wanted the car moved, right? Yeah. I don't know
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:01] what happened, but I don't think we can help him. Maybe he thought it was our car that
Josh Janssen: [00:22:06] was in front of the meter. Yeah. But whenever I hear the doorbell ring at the moment, it's all about packages. Yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:13] we have a few good
Josh Janssen: [00:22:14] packages.
Yeah. Well, I it's funny. Cause I mean, have you, you ever had a time in your life where you've got so many packages on the go that you forget what's coming. Yeah. So we've got like a few samples of Merck, upcoming version, I think. And they all come separately. And so I'm getting so many messages. The thing I hate the most.
Pause post sending a message saying your package is coming today. Don't know which package, what package do I get excited. Do I not get excited? And then you get excited
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:45] that it hasn't been lost in the mail. That's probably the best, best visual. I'm surprised more shit. Doesn't go missing in the mail. You,
Josh Janssen: [00:22:53] um, set up security cameras from Trevor, Trevor hooked us up.
Great
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:57] stuff. Thank you, Trev. Uh, I've got one going. Can't get the other one working reset button. It's just not working. You can ma maybe you've got magic fingers, but I'm driving that metal into the reset hole.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:12] Maybe you're powering it up while doing it. Yeah. Within
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:15] USP on it's. Um, it's full-proof I think like it really is, and I'm either a full
Josh Janssen: [00:23:22] or it's broken and so wherever you sit, you've set one of the cameras up.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:26] I've got to actually fix them into the wall, but it's, um, it is interesting having, uh, the cameras at your
Josh Janssen: [00:23:32] house. Do you find that you look at them a lot or what's the, like, do you, do you feel safer?
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:37] Um, yeah, I mean, Yeah, kind of, but then it just we've talked about this before. It's like, do, does it just bring more, um, alertness to issues?
And it's like, when you think about seeing a red car, you're going to see a shit load of them. Am I going to see more crime? Um, hopefully, hopefully I don't. Uh, but you know, maybe, I mean, at least I have it on camera. I mean, that is, that is the by-product of it.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:06] When you caught up with mates at the end of the year or the start of this year with the conversations different.
Because I feel like there is a little bit of the end of the year. It's like, ah, like we, we were all having the same conversations over and over and over again. Do you slip back into that stuff or if you found other things to fucking talk about.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:29] I mean, COVID chat is the new weather chat. No one talks about the weather anymore.
It was always mad fucking hot week. Wow. You know, it's just COVID but no, the people that I hadn't seen in a while, which was a lot of people, because everyone was just at home in their bubble, um, chatting about what they did in that time. But then, I mean, it goes pretty quick. It depends on who, what kind of mate they are like, they, uh, Someone I've known for 20 years and we're just, it was just, I don't know.
It doesn't even register what we talk about. We're just talking shit and connect and being around each other is all
Josh Janssen: [00:25:06] we need. Have you noticed the transition going from, you know, COVID tummy to like ISO Tommy where the, you know, is this about my appearance? No. To being out and about, have you learned anything about like, so for instance, it's like when Melbourne opened up, opened up.
Everyone was social for like the first week or two. Like that was a big thing. And then it like slowly sort of adapted or whatever.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:33] This is still a lot of people paying social date.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:37] Do you feel, do you feel everything every weekend doing something
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:40] I have been, but I'm even going, like, I've become more lazy with my mask situation.
Like, I don't have one in my pocket. I used to have one, but like, I've done it. Like what's the need
Josh Janssen: [00:25:50] to even have to. We've just worked. You need to supermarkets,
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:55] like places like office works. I went into office works without one. I feel a bit naughty, Jess and I went for a walk to the supermarket. Actually, we just went to me for a walk and then we were like, let's go to the supermarket.
And then we both didn't have masks. And, um, there's a bit of power about it, you know, like people don't want to come near yet. So, yeah. But anyway, it's at the end, like Melbourne's had 28 days of zero local transmission. Which I think he's
Josh Janssen: [00:26:23] good. Sounds good. And I empathize when I listen to podcasts that are recorded in different parts of the world.
You just hear people like just even struggling to do interviews and stuff. Like you just say the sort of people are drying.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:38] Oh, dude, I think about the, I mean, we need to register our, um, energy based on our energy. We need to. What will determine if we take another break is if both of us are having eye twitches at the same time.
Yeah. Like my eyes haven't been twitching, twitching.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:55] We
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:55] have those trucks so tied to it. We had twitched city,
Josh Janssen: [00:26:59] what we were doing to the context, our video production business. Basically we were doing pre production, but grinded to a halt from the perspective of actually
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:10] they stopped our industry from operating literally in the fine print.
Yeah. Video production. No computer says
Josh Janssen: [00:27:18] no. Yeah. And so if we think about like, if we count the amount of shoots that we did last year, I don't dude, why would have been, it would have been less than, than like 10 filming days for the entire year. And so things like job caper and stuff became so important and we were lucky that we could do this.
Yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:37] exactly. And so, but then you see how. It's we're doing the thing we enjoy doing, doing the thing you enjoy doing, you can still burn
Josh Janssen: [00:27:47] out. Well, I also think the other thing is doing the thing that you love doing without having the sustained sustainable business model is still exhausting. If you are like, essentially, it never feels as good as making it work.
Right. It's like getting funding from, uh, from a, a VC or an angel investor. Right. You get money. That's just a runway, but there's a point where the runway ends. And by the time the runway ends, you need to be flying. If you're not flying, you're going straight through the barricade. And so I think that that's the thing is it's like that was a temporary solution.
And that's why when you read the headlines and you read the news, it's like, Oh, you know, what's going to come from all of this because yeah. We've had this, this moment in time where we have had that support. But it's the, you know, like if we think about it from a shoots perspective, the way that production companies work, the way that you get more video production work is by doing video production work.
So there's been this weird time where it's like, you don't have huge amounts of. Uh, recent work to show because you haven't fucking done much for an entire year. I mean, Josh
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:59] Frydenberg was our angel investor and then he's, then he said no more. We're not giving you more cash. So
Josh Janssen: [00:29:07] what's the deal. So I guess, um, Around Australia, all open.
So WIA is just finishing off their lockdown on Friday, Sydney, Brisbane, all of that sort of thing,
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:18] spoke to my friend in Sydney and he said, ah, he called me. He said, so where are you only ed? Lucky. I lived in Sydney cause I wouldn't have known Eastern distributor, which is a C U N T of a road in the morning or any time I can have a lot of traffic on it.
And he was on the way to work in his car. Traffic seems like a, I mean, that's back to just mean, you know, shitty traffic. Yeah. It's um, yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:29:45] I think that the next thing will be very curious to say about Easter. Cause it seems like everyone's got big plans for Easter. Don't you think?
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:53] That's what I said to him.
I said what he said, when are you coming to Sydney? I said, mate, Based is probably the next available time. Like, you know, you get like four days or something you can it's worth coming there considering. And we just said, considering COVID, it's going to be hectic. Well, we thought that in the Christmas period, and then it was it shed itself.
But
Josh Janssen: [00:30:11] no, but thinking about everyone who was going to do
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:13] something during Christmas flying, I'm driving, it's much easier for a family. You're just in
Josh Janssen: [00:30:18] like in general, like I just think like, Cafes like people out and about it's
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:23] surely this is the empathy for the businesses. Like I mentioned, this start of the year we went to Hillsville and then we went to, um, uh, I think it's the town of Healesville.
Oh dude, the people were slammed the cafes that pubs, the bar, like. Booked out like, yeah, but you see the pressure, it puts people under load. I haven't fucking worked
Josh Janssen: [00:30:46] properly for months. And so you go from having hardly any work, just, you know, being at home, playing PlayStation, or if you're fucking the business owner, trying to work out how you're going to keep your business.
And then you have the other problem, which is like the fucked up it is. Even if they're busy, they're probably just plant paying the debts down that they incurred through. All the lease, lease stuff that they
have
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:08] to pay back. Oh man, I made a mine as a gym and he said they're 300 K behind. Um, but yeah, there is, it sucks, sucks that end of the year we even got into.
Um, so you come out the back of the lockdown. Uh, and then you, then you're trying to ramp up what the business once was. And all of a sudden you actually are kind of busy. Like these people they're just flat out. I mean, we had a busy end without a break. We had a busy end of the year, which you see how coming off, like you're saying the start of the year or when you enter into the co that COVID lockdown time, everything shifts.
And so the strategies. A different start of the year, then you're all of a sudden in the new. Normal, which is silly term, but was the new normal, which is after, you know, COVID coming off the back of COVID you can't, um, UN you can't not remember the time of COVID. So it's like embedded in your mind, and then you say, start your business again.
And then we that's how we got burnt out. Then the last year was doing, you just have
Josh Janssen: [00:32:17] to say yes, because yeah, you just don't like, if a client's like, Hey, can you do this shoot. Yeah. Like, uh, like they're being waiting for a long time to be able to do it. So then a bit, yeah, it becomes that game of like bring everything forward as soon as you can do it.
Because the other thing too is like, especially in that time, in that sort of November period, Uh, we didn't know, like we didn't know how long things would stay open for when things would shut down. Even if you think about December there's, you know, there's border closures and all of that sort of thing.
Um, and so, yeah, it feels like December, January is always been interesting for, from a video production perspective because people are still getting into it. Um, you know, that they're finishing early, they're getting back. They're trying to work out budget, forced
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:04] closures of businesses. Like it's, it's the time that in Australia, cause it's summer as well.
It's like Americans. Don't. I mean, they're not a good comparison for annual leave, but it's but you see, like, it is all operating the winter March, you know, here it's. Yeah, it is really a lot of people just put, take their foot off the gas. Yeah. But it was a funny time last year because
Josh Janssen: [00:33:29] yeah, it's fab three. I feeling
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:30] it. Huh? Much more optimistic about the future off the back of like December, January. Um, in that time, it was like, God, are we putting? Or we just like, you have to persevere have to push forward, even if it closes again. And it hasn't. And so I have the feeling that. Um, we haven't closed again.
So it has, it's feeling a bit better, even that December period where it got a bit dicey, but I, man, like we had, we had two lock downs last year. People are listening this morning at one place is on their third COVID wave that we're saying it's like, which just is a clusterfuck for everybody health and businesses, you know, dude.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:18] Anyway. Yeah, it feels good. And I think like doing less shows. Like it's consolidation, it's SIM simplifying making things. So it's like we don't have that burnout. And we've got a great business, which means we can keep doing the show where you guys don't have to pay anything unless you do
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:36] want to pay it.
I mean, you can
Josh Janssen: [00:34:37] pay pal@thedailytalkshow.com
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:40] is where you send cash to the PayPal ask before seeing cash and people
Josh Janssen: [00:34:44] were, Oh, that's true yet. We've got a lot of different currencies. Um, thank you, Sean, for your email. Uh, thank you, crystal, for the, for the comment as well. Olivia always. Sending great emails.
We appreciate it. Uh, thanks everyone. Enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see tomorrow. Have a good one. See you guys.