Explaining Woof Woof

Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It is The Daily Talk Show episode 184. Happy Friday, my friends!

Tommy: Oh, there's a bit of a— there's pep in your voice. This is Eve.

Josh: High energy.

Tommy: This is Eve of our first New York show.

Josh: Uh, yep.

Tommy: Well, we've got a whole weekend together before our actual show next week releases, but 185, I won't be on the other side of the world from you, and I'll be sitting right next to you.

Josh: You're catching a flight in how long?

Tommy: Um, I'll be at the airport at this time in 24 hours, so 24 hours away.

Josh: Oh really? So it's Saturday morning that you, um, that you're flying out.

Tommy: Yeah, Saturday morning I fly out. Um, there's a— I'm in this thing where I, I want to try and brainstorm with you today of ways that I can access the Qantas lounge because I don't have, I don't have status. So, but I really want to get into the lounge.

Josh: Fuck status. No, fuck status. I have, I've gone full circle on this. Um, Bree and I were in, uh, where were we, in Croatia And it turns out that we were on a Star Alliance flight, but for some roundabout reason, we couldn't get into the lounge. And I spent 2 hours. We got there really early, and I spent that 2 hours trying to get in on the phone to Lufthansa. And just like, I was ropeable about like using Skype, speaking to supervisors. Had one person, one Supervisors say, are you— It turns out that like I was, I asked someone at Lufthansa a few days before because it was one of those codeshare flights, and I said, will I have access to the lounge? And they said yes. Yeah. And then I get to the lounge and they said, oh no, you don't get, don't get access. Sorry, with, um, with your status.

Tommy: They're pretty brutal these days. There's no, there's no messing around. Like, I remember years ago, so it's Last flight I had to New York, um, to LA, I was— it was 2012, and I talked my way into the Qantas lounge. Have I told you about how I got in?

Josh: Uh, no, I can't remember. I've done it a few times, I feel.

Tommy: Yeah, well, this one I thought it was a great idea because they, they actually give out, um, like some of the, the PR team— I don't know if they actually do this anymore, but they they have like card passes, so you can actually have this physical card that you take up and be like, I've got an access for, you know, the lounge today. You know, it's just a promotional thing, or someone in Qantas gave me this card. And so what I did was my friend told me about these cards and she showed me that she had one, and I was like, fuck, I'll go up and say that I've left my card at home, I was given it by the PR team, and I'm really sorry, but, you know, I was in a rush this morning. And so I did that, and I was so hungover just before the flight. I'd been out the night before, and she said, yeah, no worries, sweetheart, that's fine. She was an older woman, and she comes straight through. And so I went in, and it was just a lifesaver.

Josh: But I, but I thought the thing with Qantas is you get the sort of the motherly people who can, um, will let you in. They're pretty easy on you.

Tommy: I think if it's a young, young person, I think the young generation just like, nah, this, this guy's a flog.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Or that we're on to you. Absolutely. So do you reckon I roll with that, or I—

Josh: Yeah, so I like that idea. I think what you could even do is extend it further, see what, uh, Qantas is doing with corporate promotions at the moment. So, say for instance, yeah, you could see if they're sponsoring any festivals. Like, if it was, say if it was Virgin.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I'd probably say that you have some sort of ties with the footy clubs, like AFL, because they sponsor the AFL. But I think you just find out Qantas sponsorships, see what they're sort of sponsoring from a corporate level. Maybe do that. It's pretty— it's a lot of work.

Tommy: I know, mate. It's not as much work as spending 2 and a half hours because I'll walk up, try once, and fuck off, go get a shitty latte from—

Josh: It's not worth it though. The thing is, you'll get a shitty latte in the lounge anyway. I'm just—

Tommy: I might get a smoothie, Josh. I might get one of the banana smoothies that they walk around handing out.

Josh: So I think the Qantas lounge is a little bit, uh, better. Than Virgin in a lot of ways.

Tommy: International.

Josh: Yeah. But, you know, I don't know. I'm over the lounges. I don't care that much. Hey, we got a question on Reddit. Oh, yeah? Which, you know, always promoting our Reddit, our subreddit, reddit.com/r/fortunatelife. But if you listen to the daily talk show.

Tommy: But if you do listen maybe 6 shows back, you won't hear us talk about it. Because it's only been a week, but it's actually—

Josh: It's— And as Russ Keys pointed out, it was very close to being Quora. And just like I went from speaking about Quora to a very quick tangent to Reddit. But I'm happy to be here. But the one thing about— Before I read this question, the one thing with Reddit is people have really weird usernames. Very hard to work out who's talking.

Tommy: Yeah, it's, it's basically everyone who used to have a Hotmail account from when they were 13 has just taken that username and put it into their Reddit because they're all doing seedy shit on there, I think, you know, like leaking nudes or something.

Josh: Because it's got that— Reddit's got that background as well, I think.

Tommy: It's got the vibes for sure. It's, it—

Josh: Yeah, it's not as filthy as something like 4chan, I don't think, but it's, um, I think Reddit is sort of a high class version of 4chan, maybe.

Tommy: Yeah, it's, it's very bare bones, the interface. Like, it, it's, um, but like I said to people, uh, recently, you know, from like— I need— I, I'd been taken there because there's some link that I just clicked on, but I'd never been there because I sort of wanted to or needed to be. Whereas like, it is actually more enjoyable when you go there for a reason. And this is like the, the If you haven't sort of like a cafe. Yeah, you enjoy the experience, but fuck, I'll tell you what, I'd never go there if I hadn't been asked to, um, go down and get my boss a coffee.

Josh: You know, the thing is, you go there for the coffee and you never expect to get the orange poppy seed cake, but, um, you do it and you enjoy it.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, that's good when you get there.

Josh: Yeah. But so, we've got EnkiJu writes, "Explain woof woof. It is literally in every episode and I have no idea what the meaning is. I remember that you explained it in some of the first episodes, but I have no idea now." Yeah. He's from Slovakia, from memory.

Tommy: Woof woof.

Josh: So, I'm going to go really like bare bones at the start. Woof woof is me making the sound of a dog. Yep. Barking. Because like in different countries or languages, people, like the animals sound different.

Tommy: As in dogs? No, just different animals sound different.

Josh: No, like as in different people within different languages make the sounds different. Like, so ducks aren't necessarily quack quack, they might be Aka aka.

Tommy: Really? I didn't know that. Yes, thanks for that, um, update.

Josh: So like, it's like rough rough rough rough.

Tommy: You don't say bark bark?

Josh: No. But if people were to— if you were to explain to people what woof woof is, how would you explain it to them in regards to the context in which we're using it?

Tommy: The content— well, I don't have the origins, um, because that's over to you, but The context is when, if I was saying something like, oh mate, last night I benched 100 kilos, 5 reps, and you would say, wuff wuff, and that is because—

Josh: Yeah, so it's a show of masculinity.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it's like I'm flexing masculinity in that moment, and it requires— Yeah, it's like a top dog, you know, the testosterone's running through my nuts. That's essentially what's happening.

Josh: Does testosterone run through nuts? Is that how it works? How it works.

Tommy: Well, it's where it's produced. Testicles.

Josh: I've never actually thought about it. It's amazing, isn't it?

Tommy: That's why your testicles get small when you take steroids, because the testosterone—

Josh: because it doesn't need to work—

Tommy: put in. Yeah, it's, um—

Josh: I was— I remember I heard someone the other day talk about, um, balding. You know how, like, people who are balding saying that they've got too much testosterone? I can't remember where it was that I heard this. But they were having a go at bald people just for making up some bullshit reason that they're losing their hair.

Tommy: Well, no. What?

Josh: Anyway, from steroids? From having— No, from basically men who don't have hair. The reason they're bald is because they've got too much testosterone.

Tommy: You can go bald from taking steroids. I think it is one of the side effects, but I don't know how true that is. That's, I mean, great.

Josh: The reason why it's funny when I say "woof woof" is because I'm not necessarily, I don't have super masculine qualities. Yeah. So, when I say "woof woof," it gets a real big laugh.

Tommy: Yeah, it's exactly the funny thing. It's like, it's almost using it in the times when you, when it shouldn't be used is really funny too. It's like the old your mum joke that you would have rolled out at primary school.

Josh: And if you like, say it in the most random situation, or that, you know, the old one that probably isn't used anymore is, "That's what she said." Uh, yeah, "That's what she said." I mentioned it how a friend from overseas said that he'd still been using "that's what she—" It was actually a relative of mine from the Netherlands. He came over to our place in sort of, you know, 2010 or whatever, when that's what she says— said was really, you know, shit hot, and everyone was saying it, and he still says it as a thing as if it's still okay, it's still a thing.

Tommy: Yeah, so that's the—

Josh: I guess that's the origins.

Tommy: That's, um, and where did you get it from?

Josh: I just quickly— well, I just made it up. I think it was just because I was vibing off you It actually just sort of came out of me.

Tommy: Yeah, but do you think you heard it somewhere? Because I mean, it's— you always hear those storeys of people who say they made something up. Um, yeah. Uh, oh yeah, my mate's saying I'm a liar. Well, I'm not saying you're a liar, but I'm saying that you may have heard it somewhere. You may have heard someone going, fuck, that was pretty good. Or you just stored it and then you reeled it out and then said, well, I mean, we'll claim it, we'll trademark it, we'll patent it if we can somehow. And we'll get a jumper with it written on it.

Josh: Wolf, wolf. Talking about the patents, I also posted in our subreddit about the makers of Play-Doh. Oh, yeah. That— Did you see this?

Tommy: That awful shit that goes everywhere in households.

Josh: Do you have Play-Doh for Bodhi yet?

Tommy: No, but it's— I think it's a bit of a thing, like, My friend Charlotte, she's like, fucking get that shit. Don't you ever buy that shit for me because it goes everywhere in the house. There is like safer Play-Dohs that are like really easy to get out of things, but some of them like melt into carpet and just absolute horrible. But yeah, I used to play with Play-Doh as a kid, and then kids are making it slime. I'm closer to having Play-Doh in my house than you are, let's just say that much.

Josh: Yeah. Well, the— I actually— This is the sort of household I was in growing up. My dad hated balloons. If we went to a party and brought back balloons, we could basically guarantee that he was going to have a meltdown.

Tommy: He couldn't handle it. Why? What is it? The latex? The rubber or—? Yeah. No, he couldn't handle the—

Josh: Just like the mucking around, I guess, 3 boys all hitting him and stuff. Just couldn't handle it. Funny. Gave him the shits. But anyway, so Play-Doh, the makers of Play-Doh who are called Hasbro, which is a cool name, I guess. They've trademarked the smell.

Tommy: What? Yeah. How do you trademark a smell? And like, I can picture the smell, though, of Play-Doh. So, it is a memorable one.

Josh: How would you describe the smell and we'll see how in line it is with what they've included in the trademark. All right, it's, um, you can't say Play-Doh-y.

Tommy: No, well, that would be the descriptive word.

Josh: Beyond point.

Tommy: God, there is like, it's, it's hard, it's so hard. This is a hard one to explain. I, I mean, I'd say it's— this is definitely what they wouldn't say, is it smells slightly chemically, but there's, uh, undertones of like, um, baking. This is my favourite segment we've ever done on the Daily Talk Show, is you describing what you think Baking soda, baking powder smell. I couldn't even— I don't know the descriptive words. Can you please read it out?

Josh: So it's a, um, sweet, slightly musky, vanilla-like fragrance with slight overtones of cherry and the natural smell of salted wheat-based dough. All right, mate.

Tommy: Fucking— Yeah, they've overbaked that. Jeez. Got tickets on your smell.

Josh: Yeah, that really, like, yeah, I mean, I don't even know, like, how can they even enforce this?

Tommy: That's, that's ridiculous. And I don't think there would be a, like, that's one. Do you reckon there is a massive team meeting like, guys, let's flesh out this smell and, and then we'll go and get that trademarked or patented?

Josh: Well, they've probably thought about, they've probably been under attack with things like, what was the shit that you were talking about just before? Like, not Play-Doh, the stuff that's sort of like Play-Doh, like a gluey substance that people are using. Slime. Slime. There's, yeah, they're like Play-Doh or under attack by slime. So, they're probably like, we need to make sure that we have a foothold on this. And so, they're trying to trademark every bit of it.

Tommy: Yeah, that's— that is ridiculous. There's some— there's a product that's like sand, but it's— it, it sticks together and it's actually quite cool. There's— I mean, the toys that are coming out now are ridiculous. There are so many. We've, we've actually just done a massive cull on Bodhi's toys because the, the reality is whatever you've got there is what he'll play with. And so if you just got less, he doesn't know the difference. Yet. And so it's the spirit, it's for our household. We don't need a bunch of shit in our small 2-bedroom apartment. Um, but yeah, yeah, that is, that is bizarre.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, I don't actually ever remember owning the real deal. I remember making it with the food colouring and shit like that, but I don't actually remember ever owning the tubs of real Play-Doh.

Tommy: Yeah, well, you'd call it— so this is, this is the cut-through that their, their company's had. It's, it's the Kleenex of the tissue world. It's the Hoover. Yeah, of the vacuum world. Play-Doh— people referred to creating that stuff, that, you know, smushy stuff. Let's make some Play-Doh. Well, no, you're not, uh, because you're not making it cherry scented with some undertones of bullshit coming through.

Josh: Um, exactly. It's like, even though when I'm searching on Bing, I still say I'm Googling.

Tommy: Do you actually search on Bing? What the fuck is Bing?

Josh: Bing? No, Bing is still a thing. But the Bing is still a thing, that will be the title of today's episode. But the, um, I actually saw— I get like an industry, um, rundown of different things like, you know, search marketing, and there was a whole thing on what Bing was doing at the moment. So it's still— it's amazing to think that there's still people who would obviously use Bing.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I mean, it probably cost a lot of money to keep running. What's Bing worth? That's my favourite go-to. What's Bing worth? What's your guess?

Josh: Uh, a lot. A bing in dollars. There you go. Now I think probably— you say woof woof, bad example. Woof woof should not have been used there. The only reason I used woof woof in that context was I was thinking that, um, I was just chucking it out there and it seemed like a blokey thing to do, which is just fucking chucking out facts when you don't have any clue. Well, yeah, so what is it, what is it worth?

Tommy: According to this site, I don't know how much, uh, how much credibility this site has, Bing.com is worth $3.2 billion.

Josh: Holy shit, that sounds right. There's a— I mean, the thing is that it's, it's just like it's owned by Microsoft.

Tommy: Yes. Oh, here we go. PowerSet, the company who created Bing, was bought by Microsoft for $100 million in 2018— sorry, 2008. But get this, in 2011, Google paid Mozilla $1 billion to keep Google as the default search engine for Firefox for at least another year. That's crazy. Yeah, so much. It's insane, all these numbers.

Josh: Well, how about this? Facebook bought Instagram for a billion dollars.

Tommy: It wasn't a 2 or something?

Josh: 2 billion? I think it was, I think it was a bill. You can double-check. Yeah, but I, I think I heard, I think I heard, um, the other day that the revenue was, um, over $4 billion a year that Instagram's bringing in. So it turned out to be a bloody good investment for Facebook.

Tommy: Um, no, they bought WhatsApp for $19 billion. Yeah, this is crazy. The, the dude, um, the thing, the funny thing about the guy who created Instagram, he's got like— I thought he'd have way more followers. I thought they'd do something to his algorithm, get his numbers up. But for the dude who—

Josh: well, he's just left, you know that. Oh, did he?

Tommy: Yeah, so he couldn't get his— Mark put an algorithm out to stop his followers from going up.

Josh: No, well, so the, um, there's a big, um, there's been a bunch of stories. I haven't read into them too much, but essentially it was sort of at the beginning when Facebook were buying all of these companies. Yeah, the idea that they was— the companies would work independently with their founders, original founders, to sort of work autonomously and, you know, integrate with Facebook, but it wasn't like Facebook was going to take over the whole thing. But there's been a massive shift, and, um, the two Instagram founders have left Facebook apparently because of, um, issues that they've had with Zuckerberg.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of founders stay on at companies because it's a part of their payout deal for years. I mean, sure, they probably love the company, but, you know, a lot of people do stay on to keep, um, to keep that money coming in. Um, Kevin is the, the dude, man. He's born in 1983. So like, I've heard the storeys of that, of how they came up with that and the company it was before, and it's just so interesting.

Josh: Started off as like a check-in type of, type of app, and then, um The other thing too is to consider how far it's gone. Like, if you go as an experiment, go through to my Insta, my personal Instagram. This is for the listeners, you don't have to do this. You could do it if you want to and just scroll back to my first post and you will just see how different Instagram was. Like, every Insta, one of the main features with Instagram was adding a border. Every photo had a border on it. Cheesy. And it was just like, and it was shot on because the phone's cameras were so shit, they were sort of more filtered. They were like, they weren't meant to look glossy, they were meant to look almost like a, um, a vintage shitty camera.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the filter. It was like put the crappy date or something. I don't even know if it was— it just threw a bunch of numbers in there. Um, yeah, yeah, I've just done it and I've seen Bode multiple times on your Instagram, my son.

Josh: Oh really? And giving him a lot of love.

Tommy: Yeah, what I love thinking, and I know it's just, it's probably silly, but I like thinking what I'm doing at the moment and like thinking about the storey that I'd tell if we just got uber successful.

Josh: Like Facebook, the daily talk show.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I think it's a good sort of filter to run. It's probably— You didn't laugh then. It's a bit like dreaming. It's a bit like thinking about what you'll spend your money on when you win Tatts Lotto, what your life would look like. But it's like, if you think in this moment and what we're doing and grinding away, that storey that you tell down the track when, I don't know what the success is. This is the thing, right? It's so silly in your head because I haven't actually thought about what that is, but you can get—

Josh: No, it is fun. It is that thinking. It's the thinking that, I mean, our numbers are growing. We've been like, we're growing every month. We get like about, I worked it out, that's 1.7 new listeners every single episode. So, with 280 episodes or, you know, 284 episodes that we've done, we get over, you know, 320 listeners per episode. And the thing is that, that like if you go back to the beginning when we first started our first 20 episodes, had at the beginning, I think around like 20 downloads per app. We don't have a profile. Like, this is the thing, we don't have any profile, but there's, um, all right, mate, speak to yourself.

Tommy: I was on the project last week.

Josh: Jesus, I've made it. But it's amazing. Like, um, uh, Gem Watts, uh, who I love following, and she does like, um, she's very sort of like beauty Focus Nights, I think she started a, a, um, a podcast and, um, I'll link it up on Reddit, but she's like smashing it already. The amount of people who are engaging, like, podcasting is so good for people who have an existing audience. Yeah. And that's probably like one of the interesting things with us is it's like we have to play a bit of a different game because it's just like We literally, we're building on the podcast as our first thing versus most people are bloggers or YouTubers or Instagrammers or, you know, entrepreneurs, and then they're doing a podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. I mean, the, the danger of that is the quality of podcasts for anyone who just starts podcast is just that, new to podcasting. And so there is that instant audience at a time when you haven't polished up your skills. And I'm not talking—

Josh: Yeah, there's definitely this. Yeah, there's definitely— I've seen in the past people have underestimated, like, Gemma's a great example of someone who's like, she put so much, you can hear the effort that she put into hers. But there's examples where it's like people have gone guns blazing with it and really confident, but it's sort of— it hasn't translated from the thing that they were doing before. But the good thing is that we have— we know that we are probably sounding shit now, but we were sounding worse like 100 episodes ago. Yeah, but by building slowly, we're able to like get better with the audience, which I think is exciting.

Tommy: Yeah, there's so many learnings. Like, the— even the doing this across countries over Skype is, you know, build— I feel like we've got good after how many— we should have worked out today how many actual episodes we've done since being remote, since you've been—

Josh: I think it's around, um, it's about like 75. Yeah.

Tommy: Which the, the crazy thing is nearly half— that's nearly half of the episodes we've done. So we've spent. That's crazy. And, and 100%, there's like— it is so— this has been so challenging, um, but not so rewarding. It's like, but so rewarding at the same time. So it doesn't— that challenging, it doesn't feel like it's just all bad or all sort of uncomfortable learnings.

Josh: Um, yeah, but yeah, the other unique thing is being daily for us. Like, it's a— that makes it a bit of a different, um, ball game too. Like the fact that every single day having a conversation versus, I think if we were doing this once a week, I think I would probably overbake so many things. Like, I think I would overthink. Like, how would I know what to pick if we only had 1 hour every week?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't.

Josh: Well, because you— How would you change it? What do you think the structure would be if we were doing it weekly?

Tommy: I think you could just— see, this is the thing, I don't think I would do this though. I was thinking take all your ideas that you have, like what we do, and we put them into the Trello board and, um, and then go through and pick the best. Whereas sometimes we pick the ones that aren't the best because we need to talk about something, but then they are great because of the interaction and banter that we do have. So they can't—

Josh: yeah, like the basic shit can be the best bits of content, right?

Tommy: Like sometimes we have a whole bunch of stuff to— that we've outlined that we want to talk about. We don't— we don't talk about any of it. And I think we would be very focused on talking about the things we've chosen if we'd taken them from a big list and gone, right, this is our once a week, so here they are. Um, I think any— like any radio show And I compare radio show because they do it consistently, you know, 5 days a week, a lot of them. There is a whole bunch of ideas that fall flat, and it's like, you know, for every viral video, there was probably 100 that didn't do well, or, you know, a bunch that didn't have the impact. And so, you know, we're not in the— this is not a game of trying to go viral with each episode. Um, yeah, we're just in the game of talking. Fuck, I feel like, I feel like I'm more sane doing this podcast. Like, articulating my thoughts regularly is therapy. It's, it's amazing. And maybe it's because I'm a bloke. Maybe, you know, Amy's always talking about her feelings with, you know, people and everyone, and, um, maybe that's, that helps her But it's great to get things off your chest, especially woof woof.

Josh: Yeah, I think like, I think the other thing too is the showing up every day, the consistency of it is, I think you start to learn a lot about yourself as well. Because it's like, not that I can really use a gym analogy, 'cause I haven't spent enough time at the gym, but let's just use it because woof woof. There we go, good use, good use of woof woof. Yeah, like, say if you're doing it, say, once a week or something like that, I think you can find time throughout the week to be able to feel that vibe, to be able to be like, okay, I'm like scripted up, get ready. But doing it every single day, there's probably, you know, a quarter of the time where things might be a bit tough, like the internet connection, like especially when we're doing it remotely, the internet connection might not be great. I mean, it's quarter past 11 at night here. I'm in Athens. The, uh, less than 24 hours ago, we got a text message saying that our ferry from Paros to Athens was cancelled. All the boats from the island were cancelled, and we had a flight, uh, in Athens in a day and a half that to be able to get to New York for us to meet. And so we end up, we had to find There was only one flight out of Paros and we managed to get that flight just before. But all these things that can be happening. And I think that you start to be, when you're talking and articulating and communicating for an audience, all of a sudden you start to hear your thought process a little bit more.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of learning about yourself. Committing to these things. And, um, a lot of your mum learning about you because she listens to the podcast. So my mum says, I, I've learned more, I, I've learned more about you from the podcast than I have from you. Well, she's here.

Josh: That's one better than my mum because I don't think she listens yet.

Tommy: Well, we need it. We should have a listening party for your mum because she's never listened.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, I think she hates the voice that I put on for her. But I would too. I'll stop. But Wayne Peters emailed us in regard to closing the loop. We talked about the Rubik's Cube t-shirt. He said the character on The Big Bang Theory is Dr. Sheldon Cooper, not Shelton.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. So, closing that loop. I mean, I'll pull a Trump here. What I meant to say when I said Shelton was Sheldon. I just mispronounced it. You know, slip of the tongue. I'm sorry, Wayne. Classic.

Josh: That is a very— that's a woof woof thing as well, if I've ever heard one. Sheldon. So, what are you most excited about? So, your flight, you're leaving very soon. Yeah. What's going in your mind? What have you got to do? What are you worried about? What are you excited about? What's the next 24 hours for you?

Tommy: It's 6:18 AM. I got up this morning at just before 5 AM. And I've come into the office. It's a public holiday here in Melbourne. The grand finals on tomorrow. It's a big time of year, grand final of the AFL football, Australian Football League. And so, it's very much feels like a weekend here, but I'm in at work. No one's here, it's quiet. I've got to do some vacuuming and clean up the office so I can get back to something nice. I'm looking forward to sitting down on the plane and doing a bunch of reading about some of the guests we've got and also editing the final 7-Eleven video, the rabbit hole video. Yeah, great. I've got, I shot it yesterday and I'm pretty excited about this one. It's good, it's probably my longest YouTube video, but like a long, really sort of thoughtful video as in how I've approached it. So I'm pumped to, like have the goal of, all right, I'm on a 14-hour flight to LA and then I'm on a 5-hour flight to New York, so I can 100% finish it and show you the final product when I get to New York. So yeah, amazing. Um, I'm looking forward to, yeah, getting on the plane. I love flying by myself. I love the adventure. Like, I love getting on to the— you know, I'm, I'm challenging myself to only bring carry-on luggage for 11 days. That will, that will be freeing. Um, so because I've got the connecting flight, a couple of hours layover, but I was like, I don't want to have to go and think about my bag coming out the other side and then trying to take that bullshit. So yeah, I've got to, um, pack the gear that I need for the podcast, and I'm spending some time with my son and my wife before I go. Yeah, awesome.

Josh: Perfect. No, I think it's— it feels like an exciting time. This— I'm super pumped for the US. I think that it's going to be, um, even if nothing massive comes out of it, I think like it's— I see it as like a massive milestone for what we're doing. And I know that it's going to be one of those things that we look back at, it's like, how fucking cool was it that we like, with no real financial reward, went and did the thing that we wanted to do?

Tommy: Yeah, you know what, it's The trip that I did in 2012, Suck on That, Jules Lund. It sounds like I'm just dissing Jules Lund, but that's what the whole web series was about, YouTube it. It was this, we spent a bunch of money going on a holiday to create content. And it makes no sense in the time, but it makes so much sense when, you know, in the future, 'cause you look back and go, people we met, like, it's not, you don't approach it with that in, like, as much as we just verbalise that, that it's like we will get something from it. But there's also, you actually, there's no promises for anything in this space. So yeah, it is just a great, it's a, it's a show of commitment to what you're doing. It's like this is the equivalent of someone going away to spend, you know, 2 weeks writing a book or painting on, you know, canvas and trying to create something awesome. And that's This is what we're doing. We're going away, just working, giving it a crack and mixing it up and, and committing to what this process that we have been on for the last 183 episodes. And the other—

Josh: the awesome thing is that we're doing it as we go, so people— everyone's going to be able to follow along and be able to— like, I'm excited that we still have things to share and that we can— that we can We're going to have so much to post while we're away as well.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm just thinking that like the daily vlogging scene, maybe it's all about having the Daily Talk Show. It's like a podcast a day. It's like people following along people's lives through.

Josh: Yeah, well, I think that it's like, I think there's like a massive connection with that too, right? I think that the— I love the audio form. Like, I think that it's— I think that podcasting is shone a spotlight on it, but I think it's just only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. And that's the thing that, like, I know that in 5 years' time there's going to be so many more podcasts just like this doing this sort of thing, because there already is radio shows just like this. But it's— the difference with podcasting is you can do it on your terms, you can be a niche, you don't have to be a mainstream. We don't need to appeal to everyone, we can have our small audience and have fun with it. And I was even, I was thinking about that with the guests that we've got coming on. It's like you can get a bit sort of highly strung about asking the right questions and using the time that you have. And I'm just like, the, at the end of the day, we want our guests to have a great time, we want to have great time, and we want that to also be reflected, you know, to our audience as well, and for them to feel great.

Tommy: Yeah, I heard a good perspective on the audio format, so podcasts versus writing, so written pieces. And written pieces are read by the viewer or the reader, and they're basically your— so your words are their voice in their head because they're repeating the words you've written, but it's in their voice. So they've got, you know, um, their baggage or their thoughts or, you know, their tone to what you were writing, even though you try and dictate that. But audio and podcasting is your voice and your words, so it has a greater impact.

Josh: Um, I think Seth Godin spoke about that with James Altucher. Yeah, that's right. So I love that.

Tommy: I love that thought because it's like you You're totally right. I mean, I'm reading someone's bio and it's like, you know, I'm reading my inflections and my bullshit that's going on in my head at that moment. Whereas if you're listening intently to someone speaking, you're just processing the words that are coming to you with, you know, the tone that they're delivering it in. So it's a super powerful format. As much as I love video, I think that's why, you know, video is so powerful because it's It's got, um, it combines all those visual elements. There's so many things going on. But yeah, audio is pretty personal, especially podcasting. Yeah, there's something from letting us in your ears.

Josh: The fact that, yeah, exactly, you— we're in your ears right now. You might be walking, driving, you might be just getting ready for the day, or maybe it's, uh, maybe it's Friday night and you're just having a chill night and you're in bed. Whatever it is, We're glad that you listen. It's The Daily Talk Show. It's Friday. In less than 3 days' time, on Monday, we'll be coming to you live from New York City for episode 1 of our US tour. Feel free to send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, if you've got any suggestions on what we should be doing while we're in the States, if there's people we should be talking to, or also if you want to extend that conversation between just us to everyone who listens. Visit our Reddit, which is reddit.com/r/thedailytalkshow. I would love for that to be a destination for us to just have great banter and share awesome shit. It's already happening, really cool.

Tommy: So get involved.

Josh: Yeah, it's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. We'll see you Monday.

Tommy: Catch ya. See you guys.