- September 22, 2019
Pete Deppeler – Intern Pete & Senior Producer at The Kyle and Jackie O Show.
Pete has been working in radio for over 10 years, producing Merrick Watts & The Highway Patrol on Triple M, and The Kyle & Jackie O Show. Pete’s also known for his red carpet interviews and stunts, as well as appearing in the show as the character Intern Pete.
Pete also works as the National Talent manager at Australian Radio Network.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– How the character ‘Intern Pete’ came about
– Why Pete wanted to work on Kyle & Jackie O
– Red carpet, approaching celebs and self-awareness
– The response to the Steve Smith comment
– Giving guests an amazing experience
– Ensemble characters
– Press junkets
– What success looks like on the carpet
– Bad experiences turning into great content
– Celebrity phone numbers
– Mental health and having a public-facing job
Pete on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/petedeppeler/
Pete on Twitter: https://twitter.com/peter_deppeler
Email us: [email protected]
Send us mail: PO BOX 400, Abbotsford VIC 3067
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 463. And
we've got intern paid in the building actually not completely out of the building the hotel where we've been saying,
where the park where the most open park in Sydney, and
I feel like I've been seeing you and your fitness training. I think it's all been for this to get your hips loose enough to be able to sit down on the ground, like we're
gonna keep it on my posture. That's all the right posture. So, again, just let me know,
we've got Mr. 97, he can just yell out, straighten
up otherwise a little bit starstruck about this guy. Let's go.
Goes Really? Well. I mean, he's been our intern, it's become a full time job. I mean, he just doesn't work with the kind of talent that you do, right?
Yeah, okay, good. Yeah, that's nice to get some money sometimes.
When it when it comes to living in Sydney, I've heard that some people really stay in their box in their one area and then once I BG spend much time around here,
nice, I'm wearing where I want to lose. So this is the place you go to for corporate lunch. And this is a place where you go to, you know, play up a little bit of spice on it on a weekend, but it's also pretty expensive part as well. So many in a western North West, you should say which is like the poor version of new town, if you can even have that. But um, it's kind of the area that I like, I like the universe and lots of breweries and lots of salt to we because he you got weed. I was walking around everywhere. And three major pizzas at crunch.
Is that close to the QCFM office?
You know, we're in North rides. So we're over the way over the other side of Sydney. So in what I call the metropolis North ride where we're kind of in the middle of nowhere, but we're right and industrial is probably the wrong word. But like the big office buildings over there and it's just become a mecca of buildings the last couple of weeks so Westfield. Yeah. The course in a big shopping centre in Sydney, though, by the way, it's not bad. I've been they got I just got jobs.
And just call it the no I actually went out parking is a bit of a nightmare around the keys office yet
is Do you at least get a cap? I get a cop I know I have to pay for a cop on some levels of management and I'm not management by any means. So I mean, Tony's always never gonna, he's always gonna have to pay for that cop Hawk. But that comes out of my monthly pie. And you know, I never noticed it. So there's not a great parked car park or so gotta walk a kilometre to get into the office. So
we've had Jay Hawkins on the show. He got his nickname from Carlos and Lance. Yeah. Let me you know, elaborate levy. First thing he's trying to get rid of that night. He's dropped dead. How did you get into?
Well, so I started at kiss just before the the end of mixed when I Six, five. And I was doing a bit of contracting. And that was weird. I got this job. lots are my teeth. And it was cold, cold, a social media manager. So I became a social media when you know, just when Facebook and Twitter was sort of really getting going. And I remember going, Yeah, I can do that. I'll go that I'll go that and live through my teeth. Court advocate bad a couple weeks into it, because it was just spelling mistakes on the Facebook. Just to be kind of a mess. So and then the college Jackie, I would coming over and obviously I'd worked it today for him beforehand on the Hot 30. Triple m before that. So I sort of had a connection there a little bit a bit loosely. So I just made sure I hung around for the right times before got fired. Yeah. And then the intern Pete character was born was actually born on when the Modern Family cast came to Australia when when they film the TV show. Yeah, the TV episode there. Yeah, they came and Eric Stonestreet came on the Sunday morning. And I don't know where all the producers were I was like well let's go and get him in the airport. And so I got him on the show or got him on the on the voice memos and then play that on the show and then call say we'll go and get another one you know, because it was each day there was different cast members flying in groups of two I think it was the next night was Jesse Tyler and he flew in and it was live on the call jack and it was just a scramble because where to go to add that flying in on the adequate flight from quantity. They had the deal there all that sort of stuff. We got him it was amazing. We pushed everyone out of the way. And it was it was a really good feeling right and then Kyle sort of I think he started I don't know if he mocked up the word contractor with intern but then he started coming these intern wants to get a job so every day I want a modern family cast member on the show. So I went back the next day and I think it was Sofia Vergara and who's the guy the old guy JJ
Yeah, you know the characters Yeah, the character sorry oh geez.
Yeah, so what happened there was I was deflated because everyone caught on that if you go to the April will be on the radio stations you know we are together if you got the airport you get them you actually get them so I came back really to flight and I said to Jackie on the roof I was like you know what, I'm guarded because I was causing a ruckus as well at the airport locals be loud ble security wide happy police went happy all that sort of stuff
usually tend to be the place not to do
that. Is that a character trait that has has been with you You always heard that I'm pretty
hungry to get if I want to go and get something I'll do what it takes. And I feel like I'm protected hopefully by the lawyers at work if it all goes bad, because this is where it went really bad is I say to Jackie I said there's there's no way I'm going to get these next ones that fly in the next day. What I'm gonna have to do is what what if I flew to LA and got on the same flight is that a monkey on the plane? Anyway, that flooded already taken off. But I was like, What if I fly to New Zealand and back so I flew to New Zealand had an allen any map in the in the hotel, then go back on the plane to land at the exact same time as the Father of Modern Family costs. And of course, I've called into the show live and there was Phil, Phil, Phil, the dad, Phil Dunphy and the wife, Julie. And next minute I'm in I'm in the baggage carrier VNAR I'm live on the and bang, he comes the police. They've literally swore me They thought I had jumped through border security and not caught a flight and where have you been? I said New Zealand. I said before and I said I'm at quick one. And this is a lot on the I've hung up on called jack. And then they thinking I've been arrested. It's all over. It's all over. And they're like, basically it was just pandemonium, because hopefully nobody's and finally at the baggage carrier as well. And I'll let violate my lesson that day. So I couldn't call back. So they're lifting Limbo thinking, I've been arrested. It's all over. It's all over. Finally, I got my phone back convinced them that yes, I'm a legitimate customer who's you know, flying back into the country. And then, and then we got back on the phone. And it was like, Oh my god, what happened? So I explained, and at this stage, Robbie Williams had flown in on the same flight, then we'll go and get him and then other journalists were calling in it was just it was just pandemonium. And then I was pretending to link to walk slow because I would like get out of the airport. And it was just my him and then I just remember being oh, OK, so I flew all the way back there and got absolutely nothing Did you love it though? I loved it. We made rose Leslie from Game of Thrones waggon the green room she was right for her spot on the air and calls 999 I gotta give you will get an outcome. I know he's got an outcome. I didn't have an outcome. We made rice lively white for
that way. Have you always been someone who wants to impress people? Like I guess this is a good example of I'm a member being a kid. And always people saying they'll show off and wanting to impress people. It was it? Was there a little bit of wanting to impress the show.
So because context also the show that you know, I did radio for probably, like, I don't know, 10 years beforehand. It was always a show I wanted to work on Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it was definitely you do want to impress? No, you know, I mean, you don't always think like if they are investing in YouTube even put you on a plane to go anywhere or give you a cab charge. You've got to justify the trip. Do you know what I mean? Like we know radios, we've got some pretty good budgets in the west side of things. But if they're investing in you to go somewhere and do something you have to deliver no question about it. So I put a lot of pressure on myself
to do that as well. And so what was what was the drive to want to work for? carlon Jackie, because from Melbourne, are feeling Melbourne. I don't think you get it like when you do when you live in Sydney, cuz when I lived over here, I was like, wow, yeah, there's a real buzz even in the morning drivers like it. I got it when I moved here. Yeah,
absolutely. I reckon it's just the show is probably the most raw and honest show there, where they're going to tell it how it is and they're almost going to reflect you know, whether it's their moods, what's going on in the whatever happens on the traffic at 5am in the morning, that's what's going to reflect on the show. And I just think there's no other show at the end. So Rick, I will be honest, if he doesn't like a song, he will tell it on the air to the listeners and I feel like they're along for the ride as well. Which is why I just love the honesty about it because there is no secrets when I show it I mean like we're all literally I think if you are cool or if you are lying or we're trying to protect something it generally gets called out eventually and that might be a bad thing it just means you didn't want to bring that up on the air the time and it'll get it'll come out actually
makes it a great workplace because you know everyone you know where they're at, you know what, what mode you're in
Yeah, totally and and we've got a great production team as well where we you know, if someone's having an off day, it's okay to say I'm off today can you have my back or whatever it happens then and we all do have each other's back in every single way we protect each other you know, because at the end of the day what's coming out of the speakers is the most important thing but the stuff is just as important to look after as well did you always want to be on air like it was that part of the plan so I did on a in regional Victoria for fees. I had a break a show called the whole hog with Detlef not not a huge success but to talk about we did the $500 minutes we had my mom on a lot mom's a bit of a character Yeah, just just the general who it wasn't it wasn't a great show but he was a all God so that would be a 10 years ago now. 11 maybe 12 years ago. Yeah, so I do the rounds of Rachel Victoria for a while. moved to South Australia. With magic FM in the land. You know, I lived my way to get a job there. That was awesome. But some of the best season My life was radio radio. absolutely loved it. And you know what, you hear the storeys all the time. It's the best grounding and all that sort of stuff. But actually really you learn to do everything I never liked. Let me copyright legs could not smell. Godspell.
Okay, I might, that maybe that's why they let me into regional radio.
Seems like there's a lot of people in regional radio that end up being like copywriters, and stuff like that, because I have to write their own ad, you gotta do everything.
Yeah, literally everything I think I was producing during the break, he shy. That's the pressure in itself when you I don't, you've got capacity when you're younger. And you've earned You know, when you're new to something you can only sort of take on so much. And so doing the Breakfast Show, as its as it as it is, is a fair cognitive load on you after a full day. Like I remember getting off air, and I'd be so spent. And it was the intensity going into it that I probably just made for myself, but I you still now, you know, 10 years later, coming off here with the team going what we spent this was we go yeah, totally, they're the best shows. And I think and I, I do aim for that feeling every show though, because you want to walk out like, I call it a Saturday night service and hospitality, you're organised, you've got everything ready. There's nothing you can do better, like you've got it ready, but it's just going to go haywire. And that's the feeling you want every single show, like we've had some water shows, you know, from the launch to you get a car day to literally I think you know, the other day we did the every Cola, who might have to go to holiday somewhere around the world. And those days are just so spectacular. But we have to make sure the days that not those big, big moments are just a special that can be anything from a guest or a moment or, or whatever it happens to be, you know,
I feel like your character on air, there's a level of hunter mentality which you bring, which I love. But with the role that you have beyond the going to the red carpet and going out to people, you need to have self awareness, you need to understand when to approach people when we're not to how do you distinguish between those those moments?
is actually so many working parts to that because there is should I approach now? Do you want to approach like that and then get kicked off the carpet and get no more content for the night? Or do I risk that relationship and with a smile on my face? But say it anyway? Yeah, there's so many I love that I love a red carpet. Because everyone's taking it seriously. He's working on that red carpet. Yes, he's the thing I've been building up for these for the entire year, whether it's the logo is Oscars, or whatever it happens to be like, just, this is the time so you do want to respect that I'll always respect what the company's but you know, at the same time, I as I said before I need to deliver and they deliver some content. And the good thing I suppose about intern page is a failure sometimes can be when you know it's you have to deliver something and I think there I just when you go back to your point about like, you know, knowing when to go I've got it wrong so many times. So many times I've brought a couple of agents, sorry, small stature and people to the ladies a couple of years ago and just got absolutely hammered for it. Like people would discussed it. Yeah, in it, whereas others got it. They got it. And then when I spoke to him, I said you guys are finally like no, you're giving us employment. They're not Thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, couple guys from Melbourne, awesome, awesome dwarfs doors for hire.com that if you haven't even they're actually really awesome guys.
And the what are the people who in your position, but at other radio stations or you know, they're doing a different stick, which is the showing up? It's probably the Tommy jacket approach in some ways where it's when he was doing the red carpet thing you sort of you're behind the line you do your bit. Do you find that people are envious of your ability just to fuck Shut up.
I have been abused by so many people. It's literally like, I don't ever want it like you know if you order the right from one radio station and another lucky there's a respect right? But in the day, you can feel that guest who's running light. publicists are pushing them along with a column they signed to cow so they're standing out you cannot be on that college. You absolutely need to fight tooth and nail for it and make sure you got it. And if that means right that last moment stepping over and I had to do this in New York a couple of weeks ago with 50 cent literally that I was like well I gotta go the carpet now and we got to get him yeah there's no question about and I did that we got full seconds of audio which probably jack will really start to follow me all that way to get well I gave him a necklace with a 50 cent coin on it so I thought that would be funny that we lot and and then asked me about his TV show power,
they will move to on very quickly, very quickly. Those do the people working for those hope high profile people do they understand the shtick in which you're playing in?
Probably not an American God, but but that's okay. I think when the American red carpets are the funnest, because there's always a lot of confusion of supposed to be on the carpet. Who's not? Yeah, I've done a few little tricks up my sleeve because I've done a few carpets, I keep lanyards with me, and I've got a few fake line as well. Because when you start to work out, oh, that's what the VIP one looks like. Oh, gotta see that. Hello there. And maybe I'll do a bit of a swap here and see where it lands. But you know what, when you Tom's done on the carpet when you're asked to leave, just leave
maybe one more little girl on the way out. But yeah, you gotta have a guy.
When we were coming to Sydney. I am a gold velocity member with Virgin Australia not not to brag. I mean, I mentioned four times already in Sydney, storeys making the rounds.
But basically, you only get one plus one of cool.
Which is that will happen have the third wheel policy,
we were determined to get Mr. 97 in and they were not budging. And I was trying everything. I was like we're wearing the same clothes.
He did a great job. By the way. He went hard, Josh.
And then we ended up late like they said, I look you can pay 65 bucks for him to go in. And you can all go in. And out of principle. I said, I look not a physical guy. And so we walked off and had a ship coffee somewhere. But do you find that that mentality that you bring to your work of just being unashamed to shame?
being embarrassed? Yeah. Anything you do To be honest,
in day to day like?
I like there's no there's no need to be a fool. If you don't you don't you don't need to be I'm not saying I act like a fool with time. But this I think we're all taking life too serious. I genuinely believe that in everything we do. Everyone's become a food expert, because they've got an Instagram and all that sort of stuff. Do you know what I mean? I just think have a bit of fun with it. Because guess what? We're all doing the same thing. We're all making money. We're all just just trying to have a go. Do you don't have a Yeah, I I definitely do bring the fun, will try to bring the funding in life as much as I can. And then I'm going to have the quiet time at home.
Is it like Alex Honnold, the rock climber who doesn't have the part of his Brian that experiences the fear? Have you literally lost the bit where it's like, I do know you
definitely have? Absolutely. He's always the anxiousness. He's always there. But I think I thrive off that as well. I think that's my we're in that split moment. If it is the biggest interview in the world, or whatever it happens to be, that's when that anxiety and fear just explodes.
That's really so I'm not a very much across sport. But I do remember a time where you were completely rocked by something you've done. It was involved the cricket player, and you got up and said something and then you you weren't feeling great from the public response. That
was a week. Yeah, yeah. That was that was a weird one. That was the internet. Steve Smith. Yeah, of course. Yeah. That was the press conference. That was easy. Last year. I think it was it was a Thursday night. I think it wasn't at 7:07pm. Now not that I
did, right. Oh, you're
right. And I think I think a lot of people, what rattled me the most is, I think, I think the immediacy after a press conference like that, when what has been called a bombshell had gone off. You know, Steve was very upset about it. And, you know, flying in from what had happened with the cricket and stuff. And I definitely I just remember leaving the airport with just the camera crews following me and going Oh, shoot. I think they see something. I think there is something here that said, cross the line because I do as I say I'm going to do a press conference or a red carpet. It's kind of you know, I am thinking about things but I'm also read that room wrong. Yeah, really read that wrong. But what was the biggest thing that I was just blown away was not the social media backlash. It was the demons. The inbox is the the death threats was just I was blown away more from like, parents. But you know, because you just the best advice I got was, guess what? Tonight, delete Twitter and Instagram off. You're fine. Just get it off. Get it off. I was like, Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. I didn't set up all night read every single one of them read every single night. That was the worst thing I ever did. But then you start clicking on the pitches, and then you Oh my god, you're a mom with my kids. And you just told me to go and hang myself. Like it's just ludicrous. What's going on out there at the moment. And for me, that was quite a frightening moment. Then they found my mom on social media. And my mom's a dairy farmer from Victoria. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's that's getting it. I mean, I wouldn't fuck with a dairy farmer.
Yeah, absolutely. That's that that was that was a, you know,
that frightening moment of people are pretty crazy when it comes to social media. And we all know the storeys of cable and wireless and stuff like that. But
in that sense, that advice turn turn it off. means it's not me. It is happening. So the energies almost being put out there. Yeah. So you go into work. How you feeling? What?
Well, that was a weird one, because that was a Thursday night. It was a long weekend. We went back on here until the shoes that Yeah, so it was a long time to go a long way.
And everyone around me was absolutely awesome. And I think I couldn't I understood why. But I but a lot of my friends were over, you know, overcautious about me and stuff like that. But whereas I get hyped on literally you read the comments on any of my posts, I just get hyped from wishes in fun way that's always fun and jokey. So I never
This one's definitely different. But it was when I went down. I walked out the house to get a cup of coffee. And literally I think there was two ladies when you cross the line you cross on? How do you even know who I am. And then of course, it was just this, try to walk back to my car. And then there was more people and more people and more people are just turned into a bit of a gang pack. Around my car was a boost. I didn't realise how passionate people were about cricket in this country. And and to be honest, I still had to wait till Tuesday to back Live on the Air. I wasn't allowed in the studio until I'd aim so I had to wait then and then call jack will call connect with Wi Fi on the show and literally absolutely gave it to everyone who told me Yeah, you know, he really gave it to him, gave it to them there and I am forever grateful to be honoured by Paul and jack Jones for their support.
Is that something Kyle? very loyal to his team. Oh,
absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It was because it was Yeah, okay. Didn't know the and I don't say that casually but I mean, you know, I didn't nail the bell the moment all that sort of stuff, but it was just okay, that happened. But now all this is happening. And guess what if I was you know, you know, weaker or whatever or not, then that's the wrong word. But you know what I mean? To the wrong person?
100 like yeah, the impact that would have on it was life is a great book by Jon Ronson cold so you've been publicly shamed? Yeah. And it talks all about so I might have done something wrong but the backlash well and truly goes overboard in regard
it's the outrage machine Yeah, just guys and guys And guys, and then we're in this world now where memories come up and there's reminders over and over and then the same people want to come back into seven I'm a little guy that's fine. Like To be honest, short if you want to have a conversation. Let's go united let's let's have it if you need to have the conversation. We did say everything on the show, but sure let's let's have it and we'll end our
I think it's interesting because when you when you're doing stuff when you're making content, when you're talking for a living, you're bound to have moments of saying shit that you regret or doing something. Have you got a way in which you reconcile that if something doesn't go well to address it, DJ address it even internally with the team and say hi, I didn't like how this ended up going.
Yeah, sometimes it might happen with a misinterpret Oregon, like an international star might misinterpret me completely because I'm there yelling on a red carpet as well. Like you need voice. I feel like I need to yell sometimes. Yeah, let them know that I'm here you know, we committed that time as well as you pay lots of money and I'm not but and then happened to me with our name here was but you haven't on the carpet and and straightaway, I knew that the publicist wasn't happy for me yelling at the start. It was literally just a highly paid, and I knew that prophesied TechStars up straight away and I think I can see I could feel the look, I could look she has already got the text message. Apparently You're a disgrace. You know, you've crossed the line. I went, Wow. Okay. Okay. So that's what you do is so so I know that when I do get a bit yelling and stuff like that publicists. You know, get funnelled through boots? I understand that they have to protect the talent as well but I'll definitely I'm not here in a bad neighbourhood why I'm here to hurt anyone or anything like that. It's just here to get some content.
What do you think the so this celebrities that you hear about the give doughnuts that are rude? We've heard a few storeys this week been for him I think is the complete opposite he looks for moments to he looks for things to make the person he's speaking to shine. Yeah. When he's the one that's the talent or you know the guest. But then you hear these people that Jeremy Renner all told a storey about that just gave nothing. Yes. Just you know, little answers. Yeah. No, yeah. And so what do you think is driving those celebrities that don't give anything they're just are there in a complete position of privilege
tightly, tightly. Um, Hugh Jackman, now that I reckon he now that he wants said in an interview, you do your movies for free, and you get paid to do? Like, you're absolutely right, because we all know like a, like a tea. what he called a junket for a movie, right? There's a hotel room, there's 40 to 50 journalists over two days. Bang, bang, bang, eight minutes, eight minutes, eight minutes, eight minutes. Hugh Jackman's like No. Well, these guys have given up all their time. I can see they're getting paid for these two days, the movies, they're just afraid. I just thought that is such a great outlook on life. You know, those things you give the people the time that are giving you the time to talk about your movie,
I would do two days of oppressed but the movie will be absolutely still tight. The man
who surprised you as just being a really quality guest on the red carpet
at all on the red carpet. Want to mention Gary,
I mean, look, I'm sure there's a lot of your audience to to follow him as well. But just the way he conducted himself was more than I imagined in this God, like, obviously, you know, we've got such a large team. He went around, he introduced himself to everyone. And he's also a guy that remembered everyone's name on the way out of the interview as well and get, he wasn't, he wasn't doing a show he was doing at a politeness but he was also he was making the effort and it didn't feel forced. He wasn't putting it all on. He wasn't like, oh, thank you for having me on the show. He was like, No, thank you for having me on the show. Like it actually means something. To me. You don't you don't get that a lot. The thing is a lot of fake news that can go on, you know, Thanks for supporting us like, whatever. That's great. Good define us coming on. But yeah, he was real. He was probably the realest pest. I mean, what's
the difference? What was he doing?
He was literally being himself and literally just being himself. I know.
His words, though, is that like he's, he's pretty
warm guy. He was he was pretty warm and welcoming. And he didn't feel like you had a bit of an entourage with him. But that entourage was,
they're all creating content, they're
all credit. I was watching a guy write down the notes for all of his own videos that are going to make the interview on the show. And I think it also comes down to the people around you as well, if you've got people that are, yes, they're here to protect you and all that sort of stuff and stop, you know, whatever. But he had no rules. He was a woman ever had a selfie with everyone? stuff where, you know, you sometimes you got to tiptoe around a bit because everyone's a bit on edge and the hair and makeup done. And you know, I don't want to mock up that show and haven't got the right lighting and stuff. But yeah, he was someone who conducted himself without really, you know, everyone was important from reception to run up to the to the internet. Did you know him before? No, I never met him before I follow the staff. Yeah, I was pretty excited to same. But yeah, he's a guy who's just you know, he's clearly done what he's done and done it really well. And he's not stopping. So
I mean, it's good when you hear about people like this in these positions that are doing doing that. Yeah, yeah. I think
it also elevates us and what we want to do like when you have an experience like that, you start to think, oh, look at the impact he had. But what could I be doing for people at a very micro level to do that. So
I think I got so much more out of him off air than what he delivered on it. And that was just that conduction of stuff. And that's, that's something we've always tried to do as a team, or any of the shows that I've worked on as well is give people that experience. Don't make it fight, but give them a like, won't make welcome. I know you guys matrix like Sam, Kevin, he taught me a lot about that sort of stuff as well. And I just think that that's one of the most important things to do. Because by the time they walk into that studio, you want that energy you want that you want the real person in the studio, you don't want the person who's just been, you know, annoyed, or they're not happy about something. I just had a sheet experience in the previous unit, make sure their experience coming into the studio is is good. It's really important.
Would you consider yourself a radio geek? Absolutely. So So what are some of the radio shows around the world that you keep an eye on or that you enjoy?
Yeah, I'm honestly like a love storey. And I think you're right. You know, I think he's always a guy that I think a lot of radio nerds are into your dream as well. Yeah.
I'd classify Josh as the radio nerd out of the two of us. Yeah, but I just happen to be on the radio. Totally. probably didn't deserve
it. You should have been there. Well, I think like Mr. 97. Like, like one of the things that I feel that I love from listening to Howard Stern, so I only found out about what howard stern October last year, and I went really deep like at a Sirius XM radio in our rental car in the US and, and got onto the channels like what is a podcast? Like? What is this? And before you know it, I've bought all the books and gone through the all the history and things like that
was it after we went to the States?
There was Yeah, that was when we were there. I was like us. It was when we went with them and saw Sirius XM. with Ben Holland. He gave us a tour around the place. Yeah.
Ben Holland, Sirius XM to his
Yeah, yeah, he showed us around. And I remember like, I had just watched maybe like, a couple of celebrity interviews with Howard Stern. Yeah. And then there was something that just drew me in with when Ben was giving us the tour. And it's like, now over that way, is howard stern. And we can't say anything how it says doing and so before you know what I got, like a subscription to Sirius XM and use a VPN and would live Listen, every single morning, you have the 24 hour station on. And the thing that I took from it was, what I love about howard stern is as much about the characters and the producers as it is him Yeah. And then I started to relate it back to what I love about carlon jack as well. And having that ensemble cast and being able to, I feel like if you are talent, it takes a certain amount of pressure off when you have an ensemble team that can all be celebrated. And so on a given day, you know, Kyle or Jackie Oh, if they're tired, they can have the support of you guys to be creating that content out
of a sample you're also a way where they're only live audience they can't see the people laughing along with joining them along in the cause. So we're lucky to have such a large team and some really funny characters of the mind. We've got my own the guest book, who's this little petite thing who just the guys adore she's got this really quiet voice and make meet you can barely hear and then you've got loud snappy tall. My
name is Jamie then we call to Jamaica and then on this planet
we asked people to send in nicknames and for whatever reason someone said
we're glad with 97 that works well.
But you are the ensemble cast is is. I mean, I think it's important anyway, our jack might disagree. But now I love you know everything you've got like a coffee, john. He's the only house barista but he's literally running up and down the stairs all the time. Brooklyn Ross in the newsroom as well. And I think college I can feel if we we tried to pop in all the time, but it means if you feel like y'all got something to say and that's what colour is always said to me. If you got something to say I'll turn the microphone on say it, don't it? You know, I'd be honest, you know, the main. I reckon in the early days. There was a couple times where I tried to be a bit funny in a bit wacky. Yeah. And he called me out straight away. It's like dying before
I got myself in trouble.
So what so the stern is obviously the it's an obvious one. Yeah. What are some of the other ones
I love? There's a lot of straight like a lot of radio stations stream. Yeah. So I have a little listen and I'm, I'm a big fan. I have to plug her. I'm a big fan of my sister's show as well.
We're having her on very soon. I yeah.
Okay. Okay. Yeah, she does breakfast for the ice radio network.
based out of winnable. And she's she's she's very similar to me, in a sense of Let's go, let's make it big.
Well, you and Kate both going up at the same time, like in regards to radio
nice. So she's the she would be I'm 34. She's 36. She's just joined radio two years ago. Yeah. And had found the bug about four or five years ago and did a couple of courses and, you know, had a bit of a dabble in, that'd be the production with a copywriting blah, blah, blah. I always knew that she needed to be on air. And then the spot finally popped up. And now she's doing it and I think she's just Yeah, she's definitely smashing it actually.
Yeah. And so the international side of things when you are on a red carpet, or you're doing a press junket, or whatever it is, are the characters I'm thinking of like, Elvis Duran show in New York they've got the crazy character I'm trying to think of his name the bold bold dude. But do you get to be befriend the international radio people or
a little bit but I also see them as competition that I need to fight you on a red carpet not physically
in the locals Yeah, they're gonna know the local publicist so yeah, as I said before that the international ones you've got to fight for your life to get the interview like you have to yeah and I promise that they'll give you a you know a great few minutes and you can have five questions and you just you've got to Ray that other end of the carpet because that celebs already running light CBS is already taken why too much time they like their yeah the reach of Wilkins and Angela Be sure they get the good stuff right and then by the time you know they will sit down on those American carpets they just you've got a rate you got one chance this is a
you seeing on red carpets internet stars yeah spots you know next to where the radio people or where is
that going on I think the ladies this year I think they put a couple married at first sight stars on doing sort of an online social media stuff centre they're doing it I haven't really looked hard enough to have an opinion on you know, is it working but they're doing it for
networks but I said it like they contractors or whatever versus I wonder if Yeah, there are
directly I've seen a few YouTubers and stuff there as well so I mean look at I suppose it's every publicity team that I've sort of worked with well they do have their own agenda like you know if you're working if if cases coming down right you're gonna hear huge or the audience straightaway and and they don't just happen you you might be they might be dealing with a big US company or whatever it is. And you have to work hard just to ensure that your spots there because it might from my opinion further down the more the less you're going to get at the end of the day
as junk gets changed a lot in regards to the amount of cash that companies are spending spending on Yeah,
I recommend drop back a little bit. Be honest and I don't think and I can't speak for everyone but they're not fun experiences. I think there's a lot of pressure on everyone for those junkets to nail you know, times tied to a schedule. It's not your storey it's not your surroundings because we call jack for example, Lich when you get that guests in the studio, it's a win for everyone Yeah, you know it's and and we you know contact I don't think I've been to a junket for a while we prefer a phone over that to be honest we'll do a phone you know phone call because the jungle it's tied it's you've got the publicist holding the you know the clock in your face and it's then it's not wrapping up release it like a makeup time and those things sort of go on look i think you know, maybe for the right ones you can hit along for but they are the tough
that's probably the word yeah to get a beast on a red carpet you forgot a few minutes not even sometimes not what how do you go in defining success before you do it so that you can walk away with that thing that whatever you yeah successes Yeah, I don't care
who you wearing or anything like that. We're trying to make
everyone else special. Can you go
Yeah, technically this is single run there will be no more run Yeah, when
you were to work on that was that gonna cause too much oil?
Yes any photos here? What's this bullshit
what's a win Do you know what the winking having so many ways?
I for me plan the carpet and then what's after the carpet and what off the parties you can go to and what things we can get throughout the night just in case you don't get that so I'll also come up with say three plans is great we get the most amazing interview in the world with that celeb and they are just fantastic to it's a ble and who higher and it was me tired and rough or three we completely missed it and absolutely stuffed up and I've wasted too much money in the company and yc everything the other kind of three scenarios are work off but if as long as you're aiming for the first one, and then the second one can be fun as well. And that's why I love like the logos and things like that because you have so many options.
I mean so much of what you do is failing funny. But is there moments where you've had an experience you thought it was shit you thought there's nothing in
it and it's turned into some of the best content? I didn't realise this was two years ago was the Thor movie now I still can't actually say he's nine Ty key to New Zealand direct tie Quito Kawasaki guy this is where this is where we're at wrong on the carpet. It was a case of it was just off to the radio was I was on over as hell and Sonia the EP now was like you've got to cover these carpet obviously there's a famous with a you need to do that all that sort of stuff. Anyway, I started this is where I start to feel the vibe Okay, it sees run in life do you know know if we were going to get a chat here and I was like some I was still chatting with a few people next they're like, oh, the Drake is pretty big on so I can get a grab off the director we can ask me about the Handsworth so we can tie it in and we're talking about himself or whatever it was kind of pre famous got something rather anyway, super famous anyway, it just went horribly wrong where I just was like I talking w from New Zealand I or something I must have met an accent or something a little girl sorry that standard Rice's he was like, No, no, no, that wasn't racist. I was like, Oh, sorry, I just got caught up in them. And I think I was still alive as hell. And I was just kept saying things that got more and more awkward. And I just want to throw that audio at straightaway. What I didn't realise Sydney confidential was late and I heard the entire thing and then it was half a page in the paper. The most disgraceful disrespectful interview with these well respected and I think I said all this is your first feature film is like now it's my night. And I just remember Sonya Ring ring me she got into work about 430 and she was like, Where's the audio from last night? I was like, oh, there really isn't anything like you know, there is when we got it out and another thing was great breaks on anyway. Like it's all heads down. Oh my god. This is happening. And you know what, I didn't identify that at the time I was more to say if there's nothing in that like to be honest, it was all just silly, you know, been embarrassing, but but it didn't identify it whereas it's funny when other people do what sometimes I'm like, is this even worth playing or not? And you gotta ask other people sometimes so he listened to me what do you think
you know? And so because you didn't feel like it was anything and then I'm sure at the moment when you hear anybody like oh no, but then you also getting validation that it's like we're all loving this game by the way. Yeah, but it's on you. Do you enjoy that?
Yes. Funny. Well, I know I know. I've just justified the cap charge.
The title of this episode of justified the
charges. what's the what's the most ridiculous capture
now I heard the Maddie Jonas storey telling the storey where he went
apparently got it and then talk to him had a nanny nap Lyft the cat out
there and then went back on
I don't know if it's true or not but I want to find out one day but yeah it was like 1000 bucks or something apparently but we all know run to be used to capture
mate of mine got sacked with a show finished in so he still had a bunch of cab charges and he didn't have a job anymore. Your he accidentally flew to Avalon and then use the cab charge from Avalon a pulled back into marriage is only about 150 boxes
deciding for you at the end of the coming to you don't work for
another radio network. You know that sounds gross. Oh stereo anyway, I heard that they've had they've changed they kept charge pulsing so everyone has cards and they locked off at 5pm Friday night apparently so Monday Friday and make make
to get involved getting
names wrong I'm horrendous at any celebrity name Yeah. Was that something that you had to learn or do you just
couldn't I've literally on the worst researcher I die I feel and I know it sounds like a cop out like look I'll have a bit of a squeeze on the way
so you know celebrity like sorry
to see them and stuff like that but if it's I'm not on I'm not going to help me in my word, but I don't I feel like you get over prep sometimes. And I know it sounds cliche, but someone's gonna feel the vibe Yeah, you just got to feel it to be honest because I just feel like you've got to know who they are and what they fall short no worries about that. But I feel like that's what everyone else on the company is doing Yeah, easiest guy oh you recently said they said an interview where you're at you know we saw this on your Instagram On a night you could try to feel what's happening in the room at the time and give my honest opinion about of like you know if you're at the line he's like what it what do you even know what a logo is asking that question you know and like bring it back to Australia. I love it. It's it's your point of difference because we had Dickie on the show who Dickies the man of the red carpet that's been there forever and actually knows everybody looks at me and discuss when he
needs a time reporter I just got into a few there here and there, Mr. Serious.
Who have you ended up swapping numbers with like a celebrity who you've sort of become friends with? are none of them are friends with me. But I've always got
I do a little trick and I've stopped doing it because car jack spoke about it on the air at the end of the day is what I do is all let's get a selfie. Let's get a selfie. And I'll just take it to you now.
Yeah, it just takes it to yourself.
And then that just takes it put the right numbers into your phone and then take some time and then you said the phone number there. So then you go down, but it's a little sneaky little. That's great. That's not me that really an angel fist attitude like yeah, and drop it to me. I was like, Oh, what's that just takes it to yourself a drop
one of these numbers through through that form of manipulation
on the show,
can you just call them like what have you done? What if wherever you push the line in terms of having a number one now.
I feel like this is just turning into a celebrity name jumping from age realised.
I hadn't had a rough night on the phone. Jackie and I a couple years ago I had some plumbing issues. I asked I said can I stay at your house? She said yes. We go on the tips. And we rank everyone in my phone. Everyone from crazy john homeland's to Bruce Jenner, to Dr. Chris Brown, he was ever in the jungle. We rang, everyone aligned recorded every single one of the colours. And the next morning we played all of metal Nay, and we would disgraceful a hand in that finds that was one of the audio producers and said, what he thinks they end up being 30 minutes and actually discuss the
disgustingly good Oh,
I just remember, we were both just going to work going thesis, I think we've got a lot of apology. We ran gay Waterhouse. And Jackie was plucking down the phone like a like a whole. Just like we asked. So it's a dangerous place. I've tried to behave myself when it comes to non abusing it. Because to be honest, I need it. They're only giving it to me to work on, you know, in the show. So try not to abuse it. But you know, use it when you want to use it.
It feels like a radio has the reputation of having people with a lot of mental health. Colleges on the mess. Yeah. And and I mean, what's it? What's that experience been like for you over the years? And how have you dealt with it in having such a public facing job?
Yeah, definitely. And I think that goes back to my point before when you're off the game. And I really think it's important to let the people around, you know, and that's not not just to protect yourself, but you know, in case you mock up or you make a mistake, and I just think it is so important to, to really speak up about it. Because it's you know, I've literally been going through of Phuket. I've been going through the last two weeks to be honest, I've just broke up with my partner after a long relationship in the last couple of weeks. And it's been an absolute hell. So that's so I didn't realise how important it was to just talk to people and how important that is because I've got worst head space in my life. Make sure I make sure I talk on contracts amazing about it, to be honest. And so I haven't been there literally the last couple weeks. I'm going to know almost the side going through it now. Yeah. And speaking about it ease ease ease is important Jemaine and I think I wasn't going to say it on air or anything like that, because that just felt very fresh. And then I it just sort of popped out just the other day. And I went, well, well. Okay, that's happening. So that's the next stage. And that's the next stage. And that comes back to I suppose, us being a very raw and honest show. So
yeah, anyway, I didn't mean to get said, You
know, I think like, Tommy and I always joke about all for content, like always be doing stuff for content. Has there been moments like that? where it's like, No, I don't want this. I don't want this to be content law, being able to distinguish between so many radio shows, there's the banter and the play fighting. And how do you create rules so that when you're actually upset, you can indicate that
Yeah, and I think that happened the other week, to be honest. And that and I did say I said, Look, I'm just not ready. I'm not ready to do it at the moment you guys will get like, I just want you to know about that. Absolutely respective. But also on that I've been my trip by mistake. Actually, something popped up and I'll actually I'm single NASA just happened. But I think I yeah, I just I think yes, there is rules in place, but I don't know if I have many myself. There's not much that's not open. So ask away. Yeah. Like really? There's, there's not many secrets in the closet to be honest tonight. And I thought that's most of the team and anyone who works on the show as well, because, honestly, is this show?
Is this fun? In radical honesty, we've had a whole episode where Episode 14 early days where we went really honest. And people still talk about the things that we spoke about in that episode. Have there been you know, do you experience that way where you go really hard with just being like with something that might even embarrass you will that you internally feel ashamed about? But when you say it out loud, you start to feel afraid?
Well, I feel like when you make a mistake,
if you talk about it on the air can't get in trouble for it. But yeah,
there is exactly that gets its you do think about it and you God, you know, I think face the music and I've gone into as rough. I'm trying to think for example, when I have tried to hide the mistake or whatever it is, but I let the lesson get in the get on the front foot of it straightaway. And it can be so much better. Because there's no point having something on your shoulders if you stuffed up if you made a mistake, whatever it is, is not what hanging on to it because it's not gonna do you any good. And by the time it hits the fan down the track, and you haven't told the people that you should have told it's 10 times worse. I absolutely.
Future aspirations beyond radio.
What is it? I can't do anything else but
radio. I love it. I mean, my backup plan, there's three things I wanted to do growing up. I'm a chef by trade. So let's go 16 I did my apprenticeship as a chef and I thought Where did you work? I worked in too long that place called the Empire grill. And then
what was your position? Movie doing cool assistant apprenticeship. Yes. Yeah, everything.
poached eggs Really? Well.
Yeah. So then I went on to a French restaurant away to the prison on the on the waterfront there and then Danny, wonderful piece by the by. But so I would say if writing overall falls out, I've got the ticket. I can go back shopping, but I really don't want to go back to any stage soon. It's hard. Yeah. But it's very similar to radio.
Yeah, I mean, kisser always at the forefront of change when it comes to content. And I remember when Colin jack made the switch and how much of a big deal that was. The studios are always you know, top notch, do you get a sense that there's going to be a lot of change in the coming coming years to show formats or how its distributed?
I think was calling jack because I I always think like I think back to that five and a half years ago when we launched that let launch day was just one of the most incredible experience. And I don't think it's just a standard radio station. It was the college Jackie, I show real watching and it was
He's again, a change I, I still think that will change is out of college jack the best is yet to come. They haven't played the cards. They've just done what they've done and done it well. But they haven't. They've worked so hard, so hard, but the best is still yet to come out of them all the time, to be honest. And you know, and I just think it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger for them.
So excited. Yeah. Well, I think you're such a, as I said the ensemble stuff is such a massive part of that show. And I think that every time I tune in and I hear a bit that you do I see I see the value that
you're you're excited you're excitement to the show. And yeah, yeah, we love it. And we we appreciate you coming on the show.
Is there anything else? You
know, I can go into a half an hour of dialling PayPal and you find it
what's what's the what's the deal? Can you actually a them on radio?
on the radio? I just I know who we could call when we were here. You guys done a podcast.
In terms of radio station, what is the the lore around say you call Bruce Jenner? Yeah. Let's
say so. Let's have a look
at it. This is realises that this is turned into a name dropping thing.
No names. So we we want to associate with you.
On aeroplane mode
Do you think should we try Sophie? She was on the show this
month? Let's see her drive that was say she'll answer. She did Nathan any Michaels this morning. So she's got a new mobile number. But Eric and this one's close.
Where are you?
Sorry. I'm recording a podcast and they wanted me to name drop and call celebrity.
This is the daily talk show. We're actually friends with Oscar Gordon. We'd love to have you on sometime. Yeah, we've
had him on the show. Yeah, he was he was on the Josh. You actually.
Thank you. And we've got in turn page now.
So it's a you believe they want to talk to me.
You better guy. Thanks.
Oh, sorry. I know that's a real sorry, I'll call you later.
Okay. KGG By the way, how many shows
episode but like,
beyond everything beyond 100 feels like epic episode. Yes.
I like I love the fact that what you guys are doing is is to pump out a show every day is massive. You know, locking in huge stars like myself, Richard. I just want to say, I know there's a lot of people watching you guys in the industry. And it's pretty exciting. So thanks, a smash. We're excited. My next.
I think it's um, with just do it as similar to what you said with carlon. Jackie, just doing more of what we're doing. And we've got like we're giving ourselves 10 years. Yeah. So for us, it's about realising that good shows take a bunch of time, good characters take time to build audiences to, you know, a decent time to come. So
do you to disagree much.
Yeah, yeah. But we're similar interests in a lot of stuff. And yeah, we do. But I think that we're different people. And that's why we have great conversation and have good banter just about shit. Yeah,
the I think the podcast, like the whole show, we, we definitely have gotten closer in regards to what we want to do. And I think that that makes it easy to like, we, there's no questioning that. We want to do this for a long time.
And it's awesome. creating something from nothing. Like I've said that before in my life. But when you when you start doing and it starts to slow, you know, you start to feel a momentum in something that's like, holy shit, especially creative endeavours. Or what's he before this? Nothing, we just want to doing it. And so all it was all it is is doing it, and then doing more of it and all the things in between and the journey that you're on. And that's what I love about your career and what you do. It's not just the soundbite, it's the storey around it. Yes. It's everything about it. So we're just on a journey.
Yeah. It's a lifestyle thing to write. Like, if we didn't enjoy doing it. But that's what like, somebody would say, I want to do a podcast, but I hate doing I don't do it.
To where everyone. Everyone says I want to I'm just gonna start up what's what's the one piece of advice? Like, just do it on the plane?
Yeah, I mean, the thing is, it's like why, like, for us, it's like, we, we want to do a podcast because we want to connect with great people. We want to create great work, we want something that we can put out every single day. And so the podcast is the overarching thing. But that's if that's the reason. Like, what is a podcast, a podcast is literally just a audio on a RSS feed that people can download the show like, it's actually not that different to things like radio, it's only a slight shift. And so and the question becomes, yeah, what what does it mean to have a podcast? Is it longer conversations? Is it because you want to explore a topic that's interesting to you? But um, yeah, definitely. I think you're right in the biggest barrier for people is that they don't
perform technically, I'm sure technology's changed. But as they what's the change? What major change Have you made? since you started?
Hard this young? Yeah.
Yeah, we couldn't do what we do now without the team, the three of us, because there's like, all the you know, Josh is very technical. So early days, you know, he's carrying that labour. And then that's relieved in some respects for Mr. nine, seven, and then he can go full, full blown on that, and then the content, and still, it's just yet the team expands, our capabilities, expand our ceiling rises. So we feel like we can do more. And so yeah, so it's just expanding, you know, ceiling constantly, do you watch you
looks at the storeys and stuff like that
a little bit. I mean, I think that it's a, it happens at the most random times, because we're showing up every single day. We don't like I think some of the advice you'd given us about like, I should definitely send that to a news outlet or something like that. And we are very under leveraged in that regard. And our strategy is keep going. And that strategy seems to serve us more than we're not necessarily like, I know, like, the behaviours of podcasters who are like our who, who's got Instagram accounts that are huge that we can then leverage? Where is our first audience? Who do we want to talk to who we interested in? And then, if if they've got an audience, great if they don't, no worries, and so, because we've got a long portion of time that we're doing all of this and we do, so we do a lot of them so yeah, it allows Yeah, it's not like we're doing it once a week. If you do it once a week. Maybe you have to be more strategic. Yeah. Favourite Who's your favourite?
into? And then second, Richard, what?
What do you think? I mean, ah, Todd's nine times when you
got him was a real accomplishment. I think for both Josh and I, Josh, you know, sit out to get him on and I sit in the challenge and, and it was something that we both look nice. And when we look to in love, Ben Fordham was awesome.
I was very noisy.
Yelling into the market noise, but you know, he's always bugging me on a red carpet.
And some of the shows that Josh and I've done, you just feel really great after and some of them you don't feel great, but you feel relieved that you've talked about something, and you've articulated the thought around something, you know, and it can and yet it's cathartic. And I think it may be it's not the individual ones that are amazing. It's the
the all of it it's the collective it's community thing as well right? Like what I think is awesome is it's when we had Danny Lee Khan and Brad blanks finds out that we've got Danny like on him and he sends us an email saying he's three storeys about Dan that I think you guys would love and it's this community of everyone supporting everyone and I think that that's like if the daily talk show can be the dock connector to help that to help celebrate what other formats what other opportunities can people hear you talking about this stuff? Cuz I think people are really interested entirely and it
sounds like you've always had the guests that
obviously, obviously, they've seen who you guys are as well so it's you know, I just I absolutely hats off to you and as I said there is it's great watching you know, people are watching you as I said when I was asking you about it yeah, are you checking who's seeing your storeys and I get get religious about or anything but it's, you guys are smashing it. Awesome.
Awesome. Thank you so much. For me. 10 minutes.
It's been good fun. My office is not
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