#401 – Jase Hawkins, The Nicest Guy In Radio/
- July 22, 2019
Jase Hawkins joins us on the show! Jase is one half of Jase & PJ, one of Melbourne’s top breakfast radio shows. After 20 years of experience, Jase brings a breath of fresh air to radio through his relatability and charisma.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– Jase and PJ’s 56 hour livestream
– Radio stations and video content
– Owning your audience
– Honest radio
– Finding content in every day experiences
– The future of Jase and PJ
– Creating the right vibe for the show
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 401 you're looking at clap for some reason to the full hundreds and welcome to the show. As always, hey, graduations on 400 my beetle quit deal pass it over.
You brought in wine for us to say.
Yeah. And I was out on the weekend and I went to this place that was a wine. It's a winery, urban winery. And we were bottling our own wine. And I thought fucking I'll do a daily the daily talk show but do the branding with the texture and just as my wash
if we get to be brutally honest, the one I got sent
to be brutally honest. The land originally
that is a very radio friend thing, anything
Especially tickets, you know that they never actually, I was I was walking out of the station and I was like, Oh, what's that? And I said are because this company has been sending us like those little wine subscription things. And a box rocked up and I'm like, Oh, actually, I'll just crack it. And then I pulled a bottle of red air and then I went, hang on I'll just check because it comes with a flyer of how much each bottles worth. I don't want to give them the most expensive
$30 that seems nice the nice bottle Yeah, well, there you go. So congrats on this blend is actually made on live on straight on this winery that they have in this building where you can go and over the year you can mash the United States stomp on the grapes and then you can bottle it yourself but you have to go throughout the year and you do the process a
lot of work but you've got the the version that you know just come straight out so and then you just work a logo and I gave my sister a really good one one master chef. Yeah, yeah, I bought they sent out as doing ready I'm Brisbane at the time and they said
I'm Julie Goodwin cookbooks. And this is just before Christmas and I'm like scored. And you my older sister love Julie Goodman. And I didn't check the book and I gave it to her and then on Christmas day, she opened it up and it's a debut and I thought Thank you so much.
Thanks for supporting masters. Yeah. Right. Awesome. So Jase, you you work? You're doing the Breakfast Show on kiss. I used to work in that same space. It's changed a bit. I just wish I had you guys your team when I was there, because the team that I had other than actually there's some great people. He was just the on a team Let's be honest. Yeah, it was all the behind with Simon bags, right? Yep. I'm sure you've
got a few big not Sonia, who is now a PUF calling Jackie Oh, no, she was Yeah, it was a long hair so we had a great off air time the on a team. I feel like you guys are a radio duo that actually like each other.
Yeah, I think everyone's pretty surprised at page and I you know, I'll be honest, I think it is a lot more common now. That right?
At times are actually being friends I think in the olden days when I first got into radio, and I moved to Sydney so I was a Brisbane boy and then I started working with Carl Sandilands in Brisbane. And then he moved to Sydney and I moved down with him. And I do a panel The Breakfast Show today and I was like all sorts of Wendy and Mooney and they're like yeah, but they hate each other and many does it out of his house in Melbourne and I've been doing that for 10 years. And wow. And like our member I'd be peddling the show and the producer would come in and tell one person then that's how the other host
so do you prioritise it then when it when you were assigned to work the PJ we like okay we need to do you know every six weeks we need to go somewhere and have some form of like an iced tea and to be put into balance
that we we do genuinely get along we're we're very different papers and age cap and stuff but we still got a lot in common. Both families still together. She's got all the brothers I've got three older sisters. Bye dad currently going through cancer treatment like we've wouldn't really different people. We have all this
We'd stuff in common and then she I started working with her in New Zealand. She's sort of just one of those people who doesn't like politics or get caught up in all the fights and controlling stuff in radio and that was great for me. So I used to be a control freak. So I realised if I did sort of become a control freak or all the teams yelling at each other, she just shut down. Yeah, so purposely taught me where you just you can't be like that, otherwise, you're going to get a shit show at her and it'd be my fault. You're not a control freak anymore. Now not anymore. I've now surrounded myself in a team who like I really like and then that's why when we got poaching New Zealand I was like, we're not coming in this we can bring our team Yeah, so we bought our EP promotion promotions go we bought this intern had only been with us for maybe six weeks and yeah, when like you're working with someone in any industry and you like you can see something in them. Yeah, you know, you know, they still grain everything. And I said to the bosses that he's brain, but like, we'd really like to bring him with us. And he was like, Okay, so this intense only been with us like six weeks. That's great. Yeah. And I'm I've got something to tell you after the show tonight. It's your birthday, and he's
going to take me out for a drink right now. And then we said are we've been offered this job in Melbourne, we're going to go and God love him. He's like, so you're recommending me for the feeling here when
you're coming with us? We let us way. Yeah, but you can't fucking tell anyone. We've been sitting on a single. So he's gone home. He's at home pacing around the house. I mean, anxiety attack. He's bringing this guy I've got to tell them
there's a mass exodus at the radio station in New Zealand. Yeah. And what we did is we told our bosses in EZMPJ and I going but we didn't want to say the whole team coming at that point. So every month because it was about six months to
Winston another team member. And then it got to probably two three team members in the boss that just let us know.
You did. The other week it was 50 how many hours on it 5756 hours on your voice was
probably and it was like our sound like everyone knows machine.
Yeah, I got two hours ago. We did it three times in New Zealand. And it just sort of became what the show was nine for we really liked it. Everyone's like, why are you doing it? And I really liked that by 36 hours in, you just forgot all the rules of radio what you were taught, and it probably became the most real radio you ever do. How much times did you have to use the dump button during those guys really wants and I didn't hit a pedal up to that I was having a break. And I was sitting on the other side of the desk. So we had like a young pen lobbying. Yeah. And I sit back and you should have seen his face. It was 4am in the morning.
You just became real honest, because like an interview would end and the interview would leave the room and you had no idea why that didn't go good. Yeah, probably won't go Hey, thanks very much. And because we're still on the live stream, we're live streaming the whole thing you'd forget about well, that's the last time they are on the show. That would that was I think the fact my favourite bit of watching it was like you had the
Live. So like the lapel mics on or something? Yeah. And so it was the best moment. It's like watching Big Brother or something. It's like the best moment is when you're forgetting to turn your back off or whatever and you just see turn on mute. Yeah. Okay, that came by accident. The first time we did it, we're like, okay, so we'll do 51 hours in New Zealand. And we'll live streaming on Facebook, and maybe five minutes before we're about to go away. Because the plan was whenever we're in songs, we'll just put the music to Facebook. And then we're like, Oh, hang on copyright. Yeah, they're gonna pull the live stream down. And we just would realise five minutes ago. So we're like, we don't do a live stream. We've got to leave the mics open for the whole 50 hours. And the shit thing was that with that was when you're playing songs, you couldn't have any music in the studio. So 57 hours, we were to cut the monitors. So when you're in a song, you just sit there in silence. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of effort to put it I feel like there's been shows that I've worked on a lack of effort put in by the teams. I feel like if Josh and I had a radio show would would
Want to do shit like you do fucking sailing down the river in a giant? Was it Flamingo
Let's celebrate first day of winter
garden was called George Kalin bodice drops. That's right drops a civilised we put him on a bridge because he cancer he was supposed to come on the boat. And then I like our George's somebody yeah for anybody to know we got this giant inflatable unicorn. And then we just said let's go with the tide takes us and then we just went down the first day of winter. And yeah, George cancelled about coming on and we're like, that's fine. Can they go to a bridge and drop breakfast? And it was just that being here my mom will tell you when to drop three two and we're going over the bridge and a drop to neither but how much do you feel like a producer on the show?
fam it Yeah, yeah, like I worked pretty hard with executive producer Alex Hayes early 20s also, you know it's
it's a nice 70 a bit like what is an old soul that like we are
mean you can work out what comprises an old selfie he's got more maturity than
he sees an idea and then they got all right come on guys
so yeah like human our work together on sort of everything and then the broader team will get involved interesting insight from the going from New Zealand to Melbourne. You haven't changed much in regards to how you do a show no I will. We're pretty paranoid because we're doing drive over there and we're just like we don't want to conform to the breakfast radio model
you know page and I now say unofficially sort of show slogan is you're not going to get smarter from listening to our show, but it's gonna put you in a great mood. Yeah, and we're really proud of that. You know, like we're not going to be the show that's going to be breaking the world news to you this morning. But you know, the feeling Dr. Shows try and give you on the way home like Oh, forget about work, you know, the day is done. That's what we're trying to do in the morning. Because you said always awkward. That was a tagline. When you first
we had that in New Zealand and then the marketing team really liked and sort of push that. And we let them run with it. Yeah. And how much thought is going into that stuff like every single time there's a transition or a rebrand or a milestone. How much you all over that sort of, they'll bring it to us. And if there's any big red flags and hotspots, a beautiful thing, sometimes they're going you got a sort of weak moment there.
You got us after three breaks, it was a lemon. You showed us a billboard. Shall we look right? Yeah. But yeah, like, they very, they're very open to feedback and stuff. If we really liked this, there was one ad they applied us and page and I would just lie. It's just too harsh. It's just not our brand. We were not a college x shock jock show, and they didn't run the ad. And so you worked with Kyle, you said Bry has been with you in Sydney with him? Yes, I was 18 finish school. Go work experience at
Triple m just answering the phones for free. I was doing that for about three four months and then call took over the Nacho and I did it for another seven months and then one night I fuck something up through city across the room to what the fuck are we paying you for? And I said I'm a volunteer. And he had no idea and half the people at the station thought I was paid to be there. Yeah and so he went in the boss's office the next day and said all my live read money and bonuses pay that kid Wow. And there was a couple of other people that station that were like yeah, he can have my bonuses too. And so the boss is like, all right, what's that? So you ended up being the best paid person
we got 135 bucks away and I thought I 135 bucks when you've been working for nothing. And so you got a nickname? That was your old on a name? Yeah, they started doing stunts with me. And then we just came up with the nickname The lab rat. Because I you know, science experiments and stuff and God love radio. And nickname. I think nicknames cut through quicker Yeah.
The problem is trying to shake him just a fucking night. So we've got three day deal and Mr. 97
Yeah, you're stuck with me. At the moment you're doing something about campaigns? Yeah, we're looking for Melvin's best school campaign. What I'm curious to know what you're looking for, in particular, I feel like when I was in school, there was a transition from campaign to where you had all the awesome shitty food. And now it's like health conscious. Yeah. You haven't seen my kids school they caught the healthier
but you can still buy pies and stuff. So I think it's more it's give the illusion. It's 2019 we're looking after you and everything but you can still buy but you can get like gluten free options now. They do mate. They do an Italian day with Aaron cheney balls lado some schools my
wife went to this private Girls School in Sydney and they didn't have a counter in a cafeteria right?
And then it came out I think two years later that all the coffee was decaf but they weren't tell me that syphon hundred EDF now and I can't tell if it's given me about zero that's just like the taste triggering. No, I usually do I've had one today but I just thought I bought like decaf tea because I'm like, I just want to try and reduce how many coffees you have a day
I got a Maya my enrichment and he opens at five o'clock you know have espresso while I'm waiting. Yeah, and then I'll get a double shot cap. This is always been the way for you. And then I'll probably have like two instance through the show and then that's it. Yeah, these since
this is have you built out like a is that your ritual? Like and you have to stick to it every day? Yeah, okay. Damn, they are like Well sort of techniques as much time I'll go grab the coffee's Yama routine. So why radio station so unhealthy? Like when I was digital content at faith angels and I would say
Since so much shit yeah, just like your package. Suck I wish
it was all stereo.
You know, I would have fuckin like every time Master Chef had a new season, you would have cupcakes or whatever, Josh. Yeah, I mean at nine o'clock in the morning. Yeah. I have a little bit. Yeah, it's the most unhealthy industry. Yeah. How do you celebrate like, like I remember survey breaks and all that sort of thing. Didn't matter how we went. Are we at Nanda? No, we're not this is inside. But when the surveys came, and the people around us with like Don talked to Matt Tilly about the survey. He does it's it's you know, he can't he can't hear anything about it until he finishes the show. I was I was I was
just like, I didn't have a great relationship.
What do you what do you love
For Asif II we made a thing that rather than the boss party because I normally find out like at nine o'clock and I think a lot of shows in the past it'd be like that just grab the host and take them into a room and if it was a bad survey that fine that you know you've gone you've gone great with Grocery bars that were red shirts through the roof but overall we terrible for us. We get the boss to come in at nine o'clock but we get the whole team in the room. Yeah, so we're like if we find out we go down, they've done all the same hours that we've done so there's no point as finding in the room like so. Yeah, everyone's in their prime i go i production News Radio, anybody who works on the show, we have them in the studio when we find out and what's what's your feeling like going into those days. Um, you know, it's changed over the years, the old man used to really, really stress.
Now, honestly, normally I can feel it like I reckon, you know, if the show feels a little off, then I've sort of prepared myself. I don't know if we deserve a jump off. Yeah, because we talk about this right? We go
I don't I don't listen to myself too much about how I felt about a certain certain show because we sometimes if got really great feedback about that specific show didn't feel good to me doesn't mean that it was a bad show. So how do you actually determine the outcome? I think you get to me I get a vibe, but if people you catching up with people, and they're not going, I heard that bit the other day, or there's just not a lot of talk about what you're doing on the show. Or if I'm having awake or I'm driving home, three or four days out of five gallon of fact, we blew out there or that interview wasn't good. All that stuff didn't go one. Like then there's just that feeling. And it's not just one show. It's like Normally, I might hit a two week patch Robin Oh, and then I'll come out of it. But like, when we just we just had a really good book recently. And the stuff we did going into that was the 57 hour marathon. And just the team were getting along really well. ideas were flowing. Well, going into holidays, no one was super cooked. Like ever. I said, hey, how would I was a cancer we're gonna stay on. I don't think they would have been a mutiny.
What about the online versus on air? Can you be killing it online? be doing bad on anything?
Yeah, I think
I always feel for me cristiana when she did she did today breakfast for a few years and M Scott like a massive online. Huge. And I think it's very easy to fall into the trap of going, Oh, this is working online. So it's going to work. I think the on air audience is slower to catch on to something to everyone's fixed in a way. Yeah, everyone's so caught up in a way where, you know, online, you know, you can easily you know, cruise around train shows, you know, so I think you got to be careful getting caught up in the online following. Because I think like I consume your show, mainly through online because you don't drive Matt Yeah. And so the thing is that like this morning, I go home, and just podcast
I think you guys do such a good job that you get a sense of like I'll dive in when you when I see something online I'll then convert and so I reckon that's why we got the show here in Melbourne because I don't think anyone was listening to our podcast or a checking our show in New Zealand. I think it was purely that because we're doing video content and we're so selective about us I shows like we'll probably do only one video a day and then we'll treat it the IJ storeys I feel like you guys do a fair bit of content now. I guess maybe it's just because you've got it dialled in, like I feel like a lot of stations like I feel like whatever you guys are doing in the morning is reflected in the actual yes, sometimes otherwise, we won't get caught up about like I think last night's video went up was maybe a week out. Because the last week we've had so much topical stuff and then Friday show there wasn't anything amazing. That was topical. So more like all let's do one of the amazing videos we've had in the can for two interesting so What's this? What's the channel
snippets because we're always talking about we create all these names for different things got snippets, we got snips, we got like different links of bits and pieces. What's the like? Are you guys sitting down at the end of the show saying I fucking love
or during the show will be like hey, that's great for the storey. That's great. For instance, storey put that out, and then we'll decide one video a day, purely for engagement we found that gets engagement up if you trade at one video die. We don't do much if any salesy stuff on FNR show Facebook page we treat it like Netflix if you go to our show Instagram page, we don't want you having to go fucking main main photo of a mom show us pitch to the pub or there's a funny video yeah, we just want you to go there and see content, nothing that content we've got him if you get them once. Whatever someone says that's what it's like doing teases for stuff. Yeah, he's a hard thing to do online. Like I struggle with the teaser thing for radio. I know it's a part of it, but I haven't seen a taste work online. I just haven't
I know a lot of the old school bosses are like, Oh, you know, what are you eating tomorrow? I blow it out and put up 710 nine. I wouldn't watch that and go, Well, I'm listening tomorrow. Yeah. How's the video tomorrow night when you remember what we're eating and just enjoy the content if you got one chance to have someone's attention. Yeah. And that's all you got is the fight of the part. Yeah, that's a missed opportunity might watch the video of us eating the pie. And that fact that's funny. I wonder what else they're doing. And then it's so easy just to get trapped in the social vortex and then you just start going through their old videos. Definitely. How much do you think the radio listeners changed?
I think I think everyone's just a day now. runs just so. So quick. I was listening to I don't know that I was listening to someone talk on a podcast the other week about a Netflix format in the States. I don't know the name of it. But basically, it's only recently started and it's worth quite a bit. And it's not full shows. It's just snippets of shows. Yeah, I think that's targeted at people who and my wife
I have this conversation all the time. It'd be 20 pasta, we long on the couch and we wouldn't want to watch all let's not stop that show. We're not going to stay awake for her. Let me pick a line in the building I master shift. I can watch it in four and a half minutes. And it Yeah, all the shows are topical storeys or viral videos, but everything is short is a book version of that. It's someone they've taken, you know, Gary V's book or Eckhart Tolle, and they it's a 30 minutes. The best bits like the cliff notes, I mean, it'd be pissed if you're the author, wouldn't you? Oh, yeah. We want them to get the full content.
editors, writing all the work that goes into a TV show. You're
a friend of my wife's a teacher, and she was saying she caught the kids the other day at school listening to a podcast on double the speed. Yeah. And she goes, how many of you do this and now you're living students and 90% of the clock. Yeah, it's true. Because I've noticed that I've started doing that more specifically around audio books, and it does chat it changes that from something to enjoy.
Just unaided consume a bit of a junkie. Yeah, you're looking at it from a numbers perspective, if it's 30 minutes, you can get it in 15. Well, there's a gamification of the whole fear. Like especially I remember doing that with books I've just come out as being like, it's sort of a weird thing to think about. I wonder if I can be one of the first people in the world to finish this audio book. This
is a hack on Max, which I remember in 2012, you can do it's like a command and it brings up on the trial is
gonna say on Mac computers, there's a command and it brings up like a trailer section so you can browse through trial interesting. Of all the latest movies. I find like with YouTube on the TV, I've like stopped doing that because I haven't sent you a screen grab of what my Sunday viewing look like. Yeah, just get it.
Well, I can just go It's so easy to click through it like especially when it's on a TV. I could get three hours in the evening. Oh, yeah.
Just like going through and being like what's being recommended to me I'll click your Andrew Schultz is a US comedian was trying to make it and get Netflix and original he's like fuck it I'm going to film my own original selling no one watched it no one wanted it but then he cut it all up and he said he's viewing time for stand up like people watching two hours back to back of clips that he was snippets that he was putting up but no one would watch more than 20 minutes on Netflix and that's what Netflix said to him. No one's watching more than 2030 minutes of special so do a shorter one but how many videos do you watch where if you got our watch that and then when it loads up learn about you but I will look at how long it's about to go if I had two and a half I'm like oh yeah this time almost 20% check there i mean i'm i'm on a video then swapping to see the comments. I'm listening to the video but then reading comments so you won't even see the chat depends on what your first little bit then I start just getting into the comments section because it's always with a funny show.
This is a loaded question why radio station
So should it YouTube Do you think because they want all the content has on their website hasn't changed I remember it was very it was under Yala like upload make sure you upload it to your yellow what is yellow was like I think was bought by Telstra It was like so they could do their pre rolls and shit like that there's so much there's so many like platforms and stuff I've I've sold over my career I'm like again we're not hosting the videos anymore ever ever show you upload to wonky
new strains data wonky do well guy we spent a lot of the time all at once a year every six months we'll sit down a really go through our video standards and being like drop offs. 30 seconds in. So that will really look at me like nothing over 60 seconds unless it's amazing. Is there still a push for people to go to the website? Like I remember back in the day it was like Yeah, no, no one will. Yeah. And do you I'm curious, your digital content producer. I remember when I was working on faith angels, it was like 50% that
50% the have to ride the
know I said we've got someone else. Yeah, let's do a new guy called Jacob. Yeah, Unfortunately for him, he's doing that, but he's just moved out from Brisbane he's a good guy so it's like it's a perfect job to get into the converse. Is it a conversation though? Where it's like you having to say to the CD or someone like we need someone full time working on the show? Or does that know I've got to know we got our video guy full time and that was from from day one. Oh, that's good. Yeah, so actually, I think a lot of the stations have gone that way now without have separate people who are sort of operated by not necessarily content yet but more you know, video, and then I'll be responsible for just doing the website articles but my shows now have a dedicated video person Josh, you and I were in the clickbait era. like the real thing. It was like 2012 Yeah, it was like pixel hiding stuff click it was when Facebook actually you had reach on Facebook organically and then be like put 10 seconds the video on fire. And the last bit will be like now go to the website. Watch and no one
And the best part about it was that, at the beginning wouldn't load properly in mobile. So if I would click on Facebook, and there was an ad, or a 32nd
ad, I think it was the, it was the pre roll video. It was fucking out the rest of it, but they needed the pre roll. I think as much as that love stuff just posted on their website. I think radio stations have realised Now, if you're not just putting the videos up on social, you're not going to get the attention. Yeah, I mean, does that mean from a financial point of view? It's going to get tougher, like I guess that they saw that as a way of monetizing the content. How do you think how do you think the daily talk show without having a radio station without having a sales team? What do you think out if we're doing this seven days a week for the next you know, eight and a half years? What does that look like for us? Do you think about making money? I remember
high money because they owned all the video. They obviously did their own sales deal with I think it was like begin mill. Yes, there is. Come
And then so they just put the dear iced coffee little logo and sort of taste bit at the start of every video. So they sold pay us and all the videos for 12 months Yeah. Have you ever been a conversation I remember ha being one of those first ones where it's like, remember at the radio station they'd be like our we can't post anything like a turn a control on that sort of stuff. And I feel like the radio station start to realise that if we don't own some of that content, we don't actually really own anything like we own all our socials page and I and then so
we get say if they want to post something on Jason PJ Instagram page, we've like us and them have to be in a great storey. Yeah, that's why I just can't Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's outrageous to think that
radio shows like breakfast shows will change the RSS feed from what like say if you've got like a new Breakfast Show. You just you I get that you would want to use the existing one that you have, but if you go to Breakfast Show
You got any Breakfast Show that's changed? Yeah. Heaps of one star because you've literally just changed the whole show.
I get to inherit the 50,000 followers at the old show. But guess what the 50,000 followers are going to fucking hate me because I'm not shocked Well, we've talked about radio stations being that you know, they have their own audience Fox kiss we they've all got a specific audience and you come in as talent, the show, and now speaking to an existing audience, so they know the demographic, you know, time spent listening. But then you guys also need to connect with them. You've left audience in New Zealand, what was the learning coming to, essentially someone else's audience where you had to? We said it in the first day. Give us a guy. And we were really honest, we're like anyone that's listening to the show now.
was listening because it was the all time Yeah, so we just said, we got on 10 past I think we did it six as well. Wasn't a decision to replace the show. Please don't blame us. Give us a go. You might like us. You might hate
But, you know, this is a really big deal for us. We're excited to be here. You know, give us a go. It's full on, isn't it to think about like that process. It almost reminds me there's a lot of comedians that wanting to corporate gigs, because like it's not their audience. And essentially going into a breakfast time slot is like going to a corporate gig. You're having to win over a crowd that isn't. Well, I think when you like for us building an audience from scratch, you start zero, Josh and I, and we don't know how to articulate to an audience because there's no one there to speak to. Right. So we, we just talked to each other and we committed to building up that relationship. But then it starts to make more sense when you start to see people engaging in like putting faces to it. what's what's the louvres you starting at the bottom though, when you're when you're starting with no audience, you know, anybody that's joining you, is liking the content, otherwise they not joining compared to taking over a radio show where no matter what it was writing, there wasn't
Audience in a job at the start is not to lose them, and then build on it. But I think it's inevitable you'd lose some because you're not for everybody. That's okay. But you, the platform of radio is for everybody. That's almost what they mean. You have two levels, you've got the radio brand filters, and then you've got your show brand filters. How much time do you spend trying to align or picking ones where it's like these? What made you a kiss show? Do you think?
We're definitely not as I think the brand kiss in Melbourne is different to say kiss in Sydney. We're not as Hollywood we're not as showy. But when we saw normally like guys, we're not calling jack breakfast with the stars page in our fucking terrible celebrities. We don't go to events where I remember we're in really radio people.
Radio people who like if we can invite to event firstly we just go Yes, free booze or, and then we'll go awkward conversation and what
We're going away when all that crap I think we're in Vegas for the festival few years back and timeline came along a singer and I thought that was the record rip. So I said we're gonna pass on but I thought it was a rip I didn't
Yeah, I we just wait we're not that sort of show and we're really upfront with them. And today credit they've they said look, we'll back that. And I was saying the back of my mind I'm like, oh God, yeah radio station say that and then soon as they get you there, they're like, Okay, cool. We're going to get your makeover. And you know, we got Tom Cruise booked for show number one, but they've been really good. They haven't, you know, and no doubt because it's taken us a while to start getting ratings no doubt they would have been meetings where they'd be chomping at the bit to get involved but they haven't what's the importance of news because it you hear about breakfast shows it's like when people get their news Do you have How do you go from being a DR show and then having to deal with like if some some the fucking terrorist attack or something happens and all of a sudden, you're in, you know, your body.
Behind the microphone. A lot of people disagree with this but page and I've said it unless we feel connected to it or genuinely have an opinion. We're not gonna hit the Tommy. Yeah, we're not going to hit it so we can go. Cool. That was the biggest storey today. The mayor wants to, you know, rip up straight. If I don't give a shit about it if he doesn't have an angle. Why go 17? What's your favourite street in Melbourne? Like, just to tick the box? Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Like, they may just what at this point? We're getting away with that. Yeah, I'm sure you know, it happens. Like I remember saying like, I watched a taco the other night, which was like radios response to 911 and had all grabs from New York and how they were doing it. That's like, I guess at that point, everyone say?
How external that like they're having to how do you think that you would? How what's the brand filter? How would you guys do it? differently? Do we normally if an idea comes up, we'll go okay. That's the radio way to do it. And then we get so turned off by doing it that way that will just stay in the room.
Until we come up with a way that's totally different. Yeah. And not different for the sake of being different, but just paint an artist as we just saw get turned off by doing things that predictable radio way. Yeah, I mean, one of the big predictable ones that Tommy talks about, because he's spent a bit of time and shepherd and, and being on air not in jail is
the having to like being a GO and having to play the other opinion on something. So it's like, you've got a topic, you got to take one side you got
like, and page RMB talking about this the other day, we're like, oh, do we hit it? Because we both believe that and I'm like, that's fine. Yeah. That that happens in a commerce that you guys might have exactly the exact same opinion about the issue. It doesn't mean you won't discuss the issue. I think just that's such an old school way of thinking. Yeah, and I still come across some old school programmes where it's like guys, it's okay we can have the same opinion. Debbie you know, car might not have that opinions and NW probably bring more. Yeah. Have you ever said anything on air that you've changed?
You mind about but then actually felt like you needed to address it?
What was it that at the time I didn't skin them hidden? But anyway, I've changed my opinion on that topic. I'll remember it after pineapple on a pizza.
I mean these guys what's been up either in the fridge
but I've wanted to correct my thoughts on it.
And I will but I'll wait for the topic to genuinely come up. Yeah. And it'll do my head in our member ladder. I mean, you not. Are you putting your opinion out there? Do you think like i think i think the older I'm getting in radio, the more like this is probably the rear the most real radio I've done. Just because I paid and I have a great relationship. We trust each other.
Cuz I trust her she knows parts and I'm happy to take the piss out like, like I'm thinking right here spinning. I started trying to clump bowling pills, which are right there. I really want
Ashley and Martin and they give you a fucking hairy back
a mountain like a few years back in New Zealand It was like two grand I'm like cool. No one's gonna know about this. And because I was just starting out there so page and I didn't know that really close relationship. And then one night she babysat my kids. And
she didn't bring it up. Maybe like, you know, a while after that, but by that point, we'd form such a good relationship. And we're arguing about something one and she goes, why don't you run bowling pills This is on the show.
But I didn't get offended because a sharp turn on the radio.
But because I trusted her and I was in such a really good place in the radio show. It was something that normally I was so freaked out about, you know, and was embarrassed about that. I started talking about it.
Yeah, so I think as I've,
as I've spent more years in radio and when you find the right house where you feel comfortable and you trust them, I think then you talk about more stuff. Well, now it's a running joke. You know, I mean, people are still taking By the way, I just started last week Really?
Well don't know I did it thinking that so you got a second vitamin and this little quarter of a tablet every morning and then you put drops on at night, you an ambassador or something.
He's the thing. Then I ran out of the tablet. So I'm not coming back to a mountain spending like, you know, two grand. And then I was at a doctor's one day and I was talking to him about it. And he goes, Oh, I know the tablets. I can prescribe them for you. And here's the drops. You can just get them like a generic version. Yeah, yeah. Got them from the doctor. And so what's the What do they actually do that can cause low sex drive? Okay, which they haven't done for me. I know other guys that it's ruined their 61 so they've gone screw I want to have sex I'm going to be and I've given up. But yeah, it does like it regards the hit and then
tablet you having stops here from falling it is it is the chemical Is it like a natural occurring vitamin now there is a chemical to it any side effects No I haven't haven't felt any not asked me well I actually bought tablets online once so like i was i was reading this is before was
before I knew that it was like before was like commonplace that you'd get scam fatigue like those sort of things, but it was I read this Men's Health article that said Hugh Jackman use this combination of guazzini or Cambodia, which is like a Indonesian fruit. I mean, he's done more live rates for this
mentioned and a thing called testosterone, which was like testosterone. And so I bought heaps of that more to do it. Well, I read.
Like I read the bodybuilding.com forum. And someone said there was literally only one mention of testosterone and it said
The only thing testosterone will give you is an erection. So I didn't bother where I had so many of them because the way they do it is it's like, you have to buy them
a discount. So I had fuckin four of each one of our acts that we're going to get off the ground at some point is testing who has the highest level of testosterone in the room. And so we're going to get a blood test. And we're going to fire that between the four of us we gotta check for everything else as well.
And then just do the old Seinfeld call.
You've done because the Times have changed. Oh, you've been you've been in the game for a while. Is there anything you you wouldn't ever do again? Well, you around the time, you would have had him you would have been at all stereo when they banned prank calls for a bit. Yeah, so when all that went down, I was in breakfast, and it was just after that, that the job in New Zealand sort of came out and I'll be honest, it was a fucking
Return to being right here in Australia. Are you watching everything you did? Everyone was watching just waiting for you to slip up. So that was part of was like, you know what bit full on I'm just going to go New Zealand when I went to New Zealand my there's no rules really like none I was like I should really sit the radio codes meeting and then I will get you the flyer and it was gonna say well
when the flyer and it was like yeah, the speech bubble at a big someone saying drugs and it just put a big red X or maybe like don't plug drugs, booze and
no delay. Really nice. There's a team over there called the ACC and they call the cricket commentary. And it's broadcast on I Heart Radio. So it's not on radio, it's on our hearts hearts digital. I get away with it a lot more. But when I went over there, it was like the black capsule playing and I will pass that boss's office and I'm like, what's wrong? And she goes, I'm listening to the ACC. They've hit rain. So they've stopped play. And I'm like, Yeah, right. What's wrong? She has are they playing
prescription pill Really?
And and the show is really funny because I've got that dry sense of humour that awful lot but there was, you know, rain play balls out in the middle of Scripture. And that'll pull out whatever they are on at the moment like or just in their life and that's a what is and you'd hear him drop it in the ball. And then that rattled the ball. Never gonna take one and then keep calling
add one of them guy, he's out. And I can't feel my legs.
what what was some of the riskiest stuff that
I dearly departed was in hindsight, just as harsh as all thing I came up with in Brisbane years ago and I think couple of the other stations did around the network, where we found someone whose mom or loved one is overseas, and then we would fly them back and you pull back the curtain and be like, there she is your girlfriend you haven't seen in five years.
We're going to ask you one question if you get it right about your relationship she'll stay for an hour. The second one right a day the one right just as long as you want. You get them all wrong curtain shots. And that's the event I have to go That's good.
And so how did how did the
ending all right right yes I'm bars the time you want I'm getting like one right so that when I've got an hour, you want to winning it about eight so then nine o'clock, they have to say goodbye and the show it's outrageous. I mean, how do people reach out like, and that was
a young good, I can go NG radio, whatever you drive home and you can go
these people are in tears, you know, and I think radios changed a lot now. It's like the master shift here a lot more feel good. Yeah. That's why I think like I masters work so well this year. There's so much like, married at first sight and all that shit. And then when Lego masters came on, it was like, isn't this nice just to show where no one's trying to read each other or it's probably one Ninja Warrior.
Is it a challenge creatively to not sort of go down those paths? Not for us because we're just not there sort of shy Yeah, we love the brand cheeky not nasty Yeah, yeah like that. I mean you sending out drivers to go and get paws from country a country bakeries. But there was a bakery was to have something like that just down in Melbourne and they go to water best pie and we're like, Okay, well who will go and get it? And I think someone said Oh, we've got to pay this listener who's going to go and again, we don't we don't have to pay him because they want to be a part of the adventure. Yeah, we can be cheeky we can say Come on, Barry taken too long. He got the wrong pie. We can give us give him shit about it. We're not being nasty because he sign up to the adventure which is being a little bit cheeky. I mean, what's been your favourite storey arc that you've done of all time? I love the marathon shows. Yeah, to me the marathon shows the best way to bring the station together because you're on a 57 hours. Every time works on the show. We normally get an Airbnb near the stage.
So if you finish the shift or not working teams are going and sleeping in the house and then they're swapping and they're waking each other up okay, you're on and like it's just it's the best morale boosting exercise. Is it just tempting to do it all the time and not because Paige hates it? And then PJ for a month afterwards because she's afraid things Austin will be like oh god my heart's got I think I'm gonna die.
He had Dr. There. Somebody Dr. Chicks I think from about the 1213 hour mark we wouldn't get full medical got for medicals leading up to we had the most amount of testosterone Well, I didn't
you know actually think it's the healthiest three days of my life. Because we don't drink any coffee. No sugar foods, no junk food. This is beforehand. During during really we just swear I saw you order a latte or something on last right like we had one. This time around. We did a coffee each morning shows retain that's when we didn't enjoy coffee.
I mean they should have been haven't read it.
But yeah, they started we had just a coffee each morning because that was the routine but we just didn't do any uppers because it would just be such a Yeah. And and physically did anything actually happened to you? I know I was 14 hours sleep at the end of it. Yeah. I had a really long one today, Julie 17 hours a day. I've done it three o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, I was in bed by four and I slept turtle six next morning. It's crazy. What are you consuming? Like audio wise? What radio shows podcasts? What do you listen to?
listening to you guys remember the human end?
I listened. I listened to specific parts of different shows. Like I like Stern, purely to listen to his interview technique. Yeah. And I try and learn out of that. And I really like the show in general with the shock tactics and all that sort of stuff. So I'll get different things out of different shows.
A podcast Yeah, the same that sort of stuff. The interview stuffs in
interesting because I guess what we're trying to do is conversations not interviews. Yeah. And like the hard that I guess the balances that that sometimes means like it's listening but also not trying not to do question answer question answer question and I think personally interviewing is my weak spot is what I need to get better at because then I sometimes get too much into the conversation. And then afterwards I go back I got so much into the conversation, the conversation was great, but there's all this shit there in the news about the man which I haven't asked about yet. So I go too much into the conversation. But you're also in the game of having it succinct four minutes long which is which is that's the challenge you arise like, what do I need four minutes I need to make you today's it boom you are Yeah, I need to extract all that information out of you. That's really personal that you probably not going to want to talk about now with it to me to get really bad and doing it in the right order, right? Yes. And you want to do something like a nice different than everyone else. We pages gonna hate me bring this up. We're done.
DLA Piper come in last year, and she was like one of our first interviews at kiss. And just we launched the show and everything so busy and someone was like, you know, do a labouring tomorrow. What do you want to do? And we're like, well, let's do two ideas. One ID was I sent off a fake record company email to a regional show. Yeah.
Yeah. And I said, Hi, guys, you know, Jamie here from the record company, would you guys like 10 minutes we do a late for tomorrow. I know like, yeah, it's too late. But and then when we were going to get her in, and we did this
I rang as the record Rep. And I might have got dual AP about to put you through here we go. And then they'd be like, Hey, dude, and the chat. How are you tonight and then are jumping again? Sorry, guys. No personal questions, please. Just
Just like Jesus, yes, we'll make it about the album. And that'd be like, okay, sorry. Do you enjoy your time in Australia? Guys again, I don't want to warn you.
Please make it about the album and I got the shit and it was a great call. But then also we played a game with
Thank God it was a pre record page. It's guys were like yeah cool give it a go porn star or politician where we'll hold up a photo of someone a politician in Australia
and Wow, did she get offended really really quickly and all her entourage are in the other room and they will fucking rope and then afterwards they're like, you can't hear any of
that the two minutes we talk about the album What about the Pauline Hanson bit?
You know, we realised that was a shit I mean, we're sorry about that. Yeah, but the prank call was amazing. Can we do that? I know that not well, I couldn't like so it's an Australian record company or whatever. Like surely now I was there a lot not like she's very much managed out of the UK. Really. we edited everything out and sent it to him guy look, you know, we talked about her and a good lot points to her politicians long gone. Yeah. Without not no way
to try these ideas to see you don't know in hindsight
would you pick the reaction straightaway? And what did we do? We pushed on with another
and then we're in my guest jail for a few months you know, he's these young guys that just come from New Zealand access to market with you at McGraw ZP boxes. The fact that I think Yeah,
not pretty sure. I heard that some record reps were ringing other record reps to let them know yep saying don't
how annoy you spend 15 hours a week doing radio. How do you I mean, there's a lot of hours left in the day but how do you find you live a life because you can't just be consumed with the job in the car, you know, being in the studio and all that shit. You need to have some kind of it's an easy trap to fall into you sit there going, Okay, I gotta go out and live now. We could sit here and brainstorm all night but it's like if I don't go out and live on a banana calls, pick the kids up, go for coffee or the mail. Nothing else is going to happen.
We do have weeks like that though. We will go it'll get to Thursday and page and I like that we got an open
Yeah, and then you're right because we haven't done anything does it become a bit like the way we find it is if we start talking about podcasting too much if it's just like, yeah, lights balance. Yeah, you sit there and go I got a funny storey about the kids cuz that's all my life is
my son this man.
Two and a half years old lying back nappy on. You said, My Dickie big.
What are you doing? He's trying to pick up his nap and he's I mad Dickie big and he pulls his nappy down. He's got a full child.
Two and a half
in the house yesterday. He read Oh, that's gotta clean the house. And I'm like, all right, it's done. They were because again, I want to start the week and then I just TO dead and I'm like, what's wrong with he is pissed on the couch
watching the whole cats and he's two or three cats, right?
You just you were in Bali. What is it like taking the helm?
Families it we booked the nannies and make sure they're available before we booked the floor. We use the same nannies every time
for like four months. So then that way the kids same and everyone's like God, they can barely read six months. It's like Yeah, because it's cheap. It's a six hour flight. I'm not doing anything longer with two kids. Yeah. And you just know it's easy. What is your wife to fashion radio as well? So I when I met her I was driving answer today fam. And she was a black found the pilot. And then page I went through my list of exes. And so low was a black counterpart to him. Before that, I was dating a girl called Amy who is a black counterpart.
And FM and XFM not a straight tank because
she works in Auschwitz and sort of sales and programming. So she deals with like all the celebrations. She's a really creative use engine. Yeah. Oh, yeah, but she's based on the gold side.
So we don't really see each other has that having you know that's that's inside the bubble as well right? Yeah I personally I don't mind it because we don't really deal with each other directly. We did it a bit more in New Zealand but I find it's great because then she understands like she gets the hours she gets that you know because just back before to coming up with different content and like you guys were saying you might just be talking about podcasting all the time sometimes I'll sit there and go
low I've got to go out to something this Saturday I've just got to go and do something because that's I've got nothing else going What is your default in that scenario? Where do you go if you if you feeling like a bit stuck to me lately I've been trying to do stuff out of my comfort zone so if it's something that I normally want to go the opening of something I'll go fuck it I'm going to do it because I know it'll be awkward or is it about it and it'll be something different I haven't spoken about it was up to me I just get to the boys club in Hampton every way without for be but you know, I can't be talking about stuff. What about like I found myself speaking to somebody
This young kid of the gym, I asked him why, like he asked, he's basically the locker opened. And this magazine he had was like the fitness first magazine of a guy on the front cover. And he said something. It's It's not my magazine. And I could tell that he was probably think he's his young kid thinking I'm buddy, he's this guy guy. He literally was thinking that and I asked you about it. And I was like, why do you think that he's not look
at Tommy loves at Tommy loves turned out this kid loves to chat and he wanted to chat. And that's probably why sparking up, you know, random conversations because I've seen him just chatting to everyone. He's this 16 year old kid that goes to the gym at night. He's like talking to me about these hard day and look at the content. The thing is I do these things because I'm like, thinking okay, maybe this will do something for me, which I guess it's even if you don't have a podcast or some way to share, it's like it's actually good management.
put yourself out there a bit more Oh hey, some people got caught on holidays and that car just switch off. And so if you're really into podcasting or radio or creating content, I think you can switch off the always listening but something happens in Bali. I'd be like, quick grab the notes on my phone, jot it down and you might jot down 50 things at the end of a holiday you sit there and chit, chit chit Gordon, but I believe people who really are content creators can get up, I'm going to switch it off and know anything. I mean, it is that Tommy and I talk about all for content. Have you ever had a moment in your life where you like, I'm actually trying to, like, this needs to just be a moment. And I don't I shouldn't be creating content. Yeah, I think I went through a stage in Brisbane. I'd been there for like seven years. And I was one of those situations where it was just too many bosses. And everyone had a different vision of what the show was. And this one was like we need to and it was very stunted at the start. It was like 25 when I got it, which I just think was too young to be a breakfast show host you haven't lived enough. And then they're like it's been great. It's been standing right now. Let's be emotional and heavy stuff that you're dealing with and also
heavy stuff is I can't afford drink Saturday night
and then I think mom and dad One of them was sick and like I remember doing this yacht of it oh god they're old and this chicken I can remember just in hindsight thinking cross I was trying to milk that Yeah, they're all don't want everyone feels reckon you got the other way now like I've heard you mentioned that a few times and it feels like it's like your dad's going through can't stuff at the moment that's all good like I feel like he then sort of updated a tiny bit I'm now genuinely feel that now I want sort of
I want like sugar on it or talk it down but at the moment dad's gone through cancer treatment he's really positive about it if that turns to shit I'd be completely honest yes I you know things like dad will ring me because he does a segment on the show every week and he'll get up my god if you're not hearing me for my segment not dead yet don't want the air time. Do you find that it's changed the your relationship with your dad going through all that stuff? I'm yeah, I'm not really dead and I was had like a really good relationship.
Maybe like you know if I bring him in chat it chat about it. I'm not just gonna make that the context miracle. Yeah, I'll chat about it cool. Nothing else has changed here. Well, you're whether you're going to live for another 20 years or another year, let's not spend all their time dealing with that. Yeah, I remember saying to my girlfriend Bry I said are like I had to go to hospital to say someone else like that really like hospitals. I don't like funerals and she's like, you know what? Like, watch that. No one does, I think. Yeah, I think that's interesting. I think my grandpa did they love the spread, then I can get obsessed with like fucking the wake. They actually asked my mentor and Pass Pass the other side of the family someone had died. And they asked like the white lady funeral person if they could take some sandwiches home and I said, Okay, that's my family, they said to but they said the white ladies before the day.
I went to visit my name. She was just passed away now but she was in like a nursing home for a lot of us and our fifth began to visit one day, and like I'm trying jack around the nurses whenever I go there, and I was looking
Patna couldn't find one to put the wind and I screamed at one of the NASA's let's get another party with my God. And you could say a lunch and she comes up someone's pasta tonight. That was a lot of family friends here in the complex busy. And then I sit back out with my husband's on and the host is writing to draw on.
Have you ever had I've had a moment where it was like the first date I ever went on with Bry were at a film festival. And it went from was the first time I knew that I got hives from it from stress sometimes, but I actually got welts from there was the head old comedies and then they changed the time completely honest without any warning into some really serious film. And it was a full cinema and I just started laughing out loud. And I couldn't stop embraces grabbing my arms like Shut the fuck up and up having to leave the cinema and I looked at my I looked at my arm I just had welds. Have you have you ever felt we've got to be careful that
Because that team has quite like a sixth sense came up. And I was thinking about this the other day, we were joking about like, really inappropriate stuff. And then I go, we've got to watch that. Because when the whole team has that sense of humour, yeah, no one's there to balance it out. So we might sit there and go, Oh, cool. That's the tone we're going to take with that topic, but then you gotta go. Hang on. We're all a little bit far out.
Have you ever caught yourself like, have you ever been in a situation where something has been extremely serious? But you haven't helped but getting the giggles? No, no, I'm not that much of an ass. Okay.
Tonight, definitely as a stressor, if I've got a high level if I'm doing something that I know this is a super serious thing. The anxiety that I have is that I almost am psyching myself into laughing. Anything if anything happens. My Nana did a little trip at like my paws funeral going up and makes me count back and help it
Just have a bit of a laugh. Oh, I swear, when I get a bit nervous. I tend to swear more. Yeah. My wedding planning city does it on aim saying you swear?
Yeah, like every now and then or you'll have that go to gag you'll go to, you know and then what is it?
You'll get up you know if it's a movie premiere who wants free stuff?
And then everyone level off. Cool. All right now we'll move on and
go to my side. I've definitely made like mistakes in the past purely by being an educated or finding something funny where, you know, I wasn't thinking about the consequences like last year, we're talking about baristas, and all the different types of milk that people order. And then I was just like, man, if I was a barista, and you wanted like almond milk and you want I can tell you now obviously control great and I'd be very surprised if people know the difference.
Which I can read about and I spoke to burst around the end of my come on be honest, you know, and then not not. And it was the only time I've ever really had the small feeling of what it would be like to be part of a scandal sitting at home at night with my wife were on the couch. And all of a sudden my phone started like notifications going off. And I've logged into Facebook, and it was someone that had ripped off the audio from the show that day and then put it on Facebook groups of parents that deal with kids with allergies. lactose intolerant, not your audience.
Guys, I didn't say that was a good snippet. And it was just Who are these people and then full on storeys, I will not remember the next morning I woke up to go to work and those messages of like, Here's a photo of my friend's child that died because of analogy. I hope you're happy trivialising this and don't cry.
Well, yeah, that was just cut and paste to everyone. And that was probably the only time I came into work. And this is last
So like we're in this big market like nobody propagates message knows I can't even go and page and I just looked each other laugh like what are we doing? But this is you know Yeah, because you don't actually care that much because
we knew that was going away. People were just mucking around and then it was like fuck this is the world we live in now you do one you say one comment Yeah, I get it I get why they'd be upset and offended by it. Well, I think you girls, Christie did this post about how when you go to a pharmacy how long fucking takes the script? What are they doing at the back? There we go. And I've experienced that and I actually thought is pretty funny. Like I've complained about that what are they doing? But then that was it there was a news article in the paper written about it that you know how they doing? Oh, it's like you know, like the with the medicine it's like very important news article was ripping into hurt comments. Yes, yes. Because then they got like pharmacists and nurses and you know, people jumping on. It's like, I mean, you've been we've talked about something about like are missing in it or something, Josh, and you've been the sensation
One of saying that there's people out there with no eyes. But the majority of people have eyes. Yeah. And so when are we going to go? We can ever say something about like, missing an arm. But we're not talking. You know, like, if you always find it's the things that you don't think you're gonna cause like we played body part bingo one day where we all got a bingo for the show. And I might have
left leg, finger and basically ring now if you're missing a body part and you tell us the body part and select bingo, if you ring up and go, I'm missing the left arm. I'm like, awesome. I can't cross it left out and whoever feels their card first body popping go and not one CO and when we say give us a right, like not one complaint.
Give us a ring if you're missing a product and fine lines lit up. Yeah, this is different than this.
It's the ones you don't realise that again to upset people. One of the things I was thinking about earlier, whenever we have guests on, we're not very good.
good at making it a normal show in regards to talking about some of the stuff that's going on. Do you find that like when you got a guest on? I remember hearing conversations on faith angels, how do we inject our show into a guest chat or or whatever it is. But do you find those moments where like, if you got X or whatever, how do you sort of will to be honest, we don't take many guests. Yeah, we really don't. And then what I'm finding is the guests we take
will constantly take the same ones. So like that press to become friends of the show again, and then like Matt Preston's in tomorrow, obviously for master chef, but we're doing the search for Melvin's best candidate. So I guarantee whatever we do with him, yeah, which we are yet to brainstorm, will be our storey arc related. It won't be Let's spend four minutes just talking about master shift. I remember with the campaign stuff that there was because a lot of the campaign's I don't know if this is still the same way, but they're run by like third party companies like contractors, like when I was a student, when I was a student representative council member or she
The youngest president ever.
So I was spearheading I was actually I actually found, actually.
Of course I did. But now I am. I actually, I was just looking at my email because I've got every email since 2005. I finished school in 2008. Other than I've got every other
last name. I've got every email other than the two weeks of height, the daily talk show that we didn't get
off since when 2005. And so the inbox has 2000 Oh, geez, that's
It's OG span. It'll be free. Livingston's in the kitchen.
I was saying like cuz I, I fucking hate people who'll be like, Okay, cool. So we'll organise that with cam cam sitting three metres that way, but I'm like, come on. Well, there's a big there's a big movement with that within tech because they're like
People are working remote. And so water cooler chat. Don't feel like if you don't have water cooler Chat Chat having on Slack, like instant messaging, you have to go back and sift. And when you have a great chat, I mean like to the gags I mean your lines in the party and that 20 998 I forget if it's really important. Yeah, they'll call you.
You know, I'm never gonna say your phone on a Mac.
So anyway, I thought this was interesting. This is from 2005 13th of July 2005. I was using a programme called in credit mail, which would allow you to add great sort of templates and this one says Good morning and it's like a kind of up and down. You're ahead of the 10 so I sent this email to my teacher which Hey, Mr. Rock, he's one idea for SR for an SRC thing, cheaper and healthier food at the school campaign. And I said cheaper and healthier food is very important at this time with so many obese and unhealthy teenagers. What are you weighing at that age?
I picked 120 Yeah, so I'm like
a few eating disorders a bit like probably a side effect of the balding
no it was definitely
it wasn't that I did fact I did so many I dropped like nine kilos with Kato I worked on a film that was about juicing like juice fast I did two days of juice fast sorry two weeks of juice fast but I fucking hated the green juice. I mean you could just say you stopped eating fucking yeah kilos of lollies was not but it wasn't even that because I was still like when I was in VC artefact and like, I would fast all day and I was like, I was calorie counting and I'd have like a packet and natural confectionery company wasn't super healthy. I would eight This is so degrading I on average are recognised as
500 mils of Oscar may not realise
Hide the chocolate in the car he's still doing no that was a very small I'm not normally big on chocolate but I got sent this Tara made chocolate and most I put it in there
and then lou my wife goes through this thing where she'll eat during the night. So she now puts on any chocolate and stuff in the house. She'll put it in the kids bedroom because then at one o'clock in the morning she wakes up Crimea she sits there in her mind and goes if I go for that I could wake up the kids and have to deal with the kids
going in that the other day like people who sleep age is it is it at that level is she like consciously doing it? Yeah, I'm not consciously like in the morning show. I feel like shit because I got up yeah and
and had chocolate like a Yep, so that's sleep walking or is she not like she knows she's awake but you're going
to need that hit But James on the iPhone alarm on for it like
White cape black chocolate and stuff in the house or hide in the kids are Yeah, it's sad. It's um, if it's there, but Oscar is my witness.
Brian, UK buying it by Ben and Jerry's. We had Ben and Jerry's the other day. It is a good they do IVF the brownie one of the cool Yeah, yeah. You know you doing all right if you got Ben and Jerry's at
It is pretty funny storey from the gym.
But what I wanted when I wanted to, we've been working out how many episodes we've done. 400 episodes. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. How many episodes direct? Or how many shows Do you think you've done? Because we get impatient, right? Yeah. So let's do the math. Now. I've chopped up 20 years in radio this year. Congratulations. Yeah, this will be my 20th year so I got into it when I was 18. I probably got my first drive, shift dash
in Perth when I was 22 so it took say 15 years I can't do math By the way, I was thinking to myself
I'm not fucking for about 47 seven years in Brisbane three years in New Zealand and drove you how many shows you doing a year if you can't take
times five equals 225 for 12 years 2700 Yeah, I can't show. That's a lot of shows. So pass me back was
while we worked out was we we said we're going to do it for 10 years. Yeah, that's, that's our plan as a goal and so we started in January 16 last year, but we'd never worked out how many shows will we have completed by the time we hit that? Anyway, so at the moment, 400
it'll be just
January 16 2020. I make sense. And we'll have done 3500 episodes ago. Yeah. On the mic the exact amount, which I thought was cool, man. I guarantee you, you know what, it'll be successful because no one else will do it.
When we got the job in Melbourne, we're like, we cannot compete with massive names. We know we're nobodies. We're up against Fifi bugs and Chrissy Swan, sandbagging, there are TV shows, you know, first of all that, so we were like, the only thing we can try and beat them is by working harder. So that's why I will do 57 hours on it. That's why I will go down the fucking era on a unicorn in winter, because I don't believe the other teams are gonna do it or they haven't got time to do it. Do you have a positive outlook on radio? Or how do you think radio is going to change? Everyone's trying to work that out? Um, you know,
for the first time I'm not overthinking the younger me growing up. I was like, okay, somebody's birthday to you.
They're going to get to Brisbane and I want to move to there. And this is the first time in my life I'm sitting here going, we're contracted to the end of next year. What happens after that? Who knows? RUNPJ have conversations around like this show could be if Spotify was to say, Hey, we're going to give you x amount of cash to come on and do a show for that or it remember Pete's one remember apple?
Can't wait. Yeah. JJH
It's, it's strange, because it feels like such a long time ago, but it really like beta one sort of two years. Yeah, it didn't really become much of a thing but it feels like we're evolving and it will go that way. And so have some future writing and the only thing I definitely agree with is I think the future radio is shows. It's it shows it won't be breaking songs or music. stuff. I think the future radio will be like Netflix. It'll be shows all the time you ever music junk? Yeah. Good night.
arable with light breaking Do you have any interest in that sort of stuff? No I was more of a content music to be honest like if I come out of a song now that's a banger everyone in the team will laugh
I mean the team you've got Is it is it sustainable to last 10 years yeah hundred percent page I know I different in the respect that c&c daring guy cool. I'm happy Let's walk away 10 years way pages one those people were had boyfriends in New Zealand her dad and family were in New Zealand. So the idea of locking in something to launch and freaks out. So out of respect to that were like, Hey, we're contracted to the end and he just went to the next year and then say, are we feeling in life? And then, like we did in New Zealand, when it was coming over here, we'll go out for dinner with Paige may her partner my partner, because it's not this decision as well. And we're gonna sit there and go, Okay, how we feel. And lucky for us, we all get along just great. Well, I think being some of these young shows, they're getting put together. They've got different missions. Yeah. And so unless it's
Sorry for a different position if next year end of next year, you guys have been killing it. And it's an amazing offer. Yeah, I mean, what are they looking at? I mean, you know, the end of next year, you know, her family might need a home. Yeah, boyfriend can't move here. And she might go, relationships more important than I think vision was what we want out of the show. 100% We're on the same track there. It's just more where we're going to be at in our lives. Yeah, point. Have you ever thought about what it could look like? Like, I was listening to Craig Bruce's last game changes episode was talking to being Kevin and bean. And he was like, that guy had has been doing a show for a market that he hasn't lived in. Most of these, most of the show shows life. Do you think that you you could do something like that? What do you think? Like if you were to modernise the show? I could do the show for a month.
Bin tanks. But I definitely couldn't do the show on separate studio, sir.
page when we're in New Zealand at one point we're about a second baby. And I think there was maybe a job offer or something back in Australia. So I was looking at going back and the bosses over there were like, sign on here. You can do the drive show from Australia. In fact, we'll give you a five year deal or whatever. And it was great financially you sit and stuff but the idea of me going into a booth and and the rest of the team are in a studio having fun over in New Zealand, little booth, watch him on Skype, I was just like, no, no way. I don't mind that. I like the idea of like, imagine being in a cottage or maybe feeling like a villa.
La you know, I'd used to be a producer. Imagine if you had like the producers can come every six weeks or whatever.
Yeah, every day Yeah, you couldn't have it one show out of Brisbane the other week. hi to them, you just bring it because like no resources like I feel like when
you were you had to go like they had called the producing team for the local shop. They are now helping me out with stuff but it was just
Paige said one day it was it was the penny drop moment like when Andy said the people show me Canadian. Oh my God, that's our show page then one day we could have the most
under prep show but if the vibes right, the show will be amazing. Yeah, we could prep the hell out of a show and if we're all a bit off that show is she I think it starts feeling like a job when you just have to go your booth Yeah, and you know ran the paper and you then you're doing it for the money. Yeah, you don't have to pay the bills. And it's not long term.
I still think I like the idea of
potentially. I mean, like, you guys should set up a curtain for 10% 100 episodes while Josh was
It was amazing. That was annoying because I was in a hotel I didn't have guaranteed if I had five but like a real fast connexion. And I had like we had fast thing and then I could just go off. Part of it is because like I was talking to Tommy about it. I think it's we do client work still right now that
How we pay the bills. And I think what I'm envisioning is not doing that like I think part of it is like the booth signifies the day that we're not leaving either well, because I would want to go for walks and shit. cells
get a lot of ideas.
Living in Colorado or something. Have you ever have you ever thought about leaving? paid for?
Show like Colorado? Something you do when you got shit loads of cash? Yeah, we've cashed out. Yeah, and now the show's been just amazing. Hey, mission and the standard for 10 years. Or Okay, so maybe maybe it three that episode 3005
the booth? Yeah. Like sort of sort of make sense. So it doesn't feel like a job fee. Yeah, absolutely.
And I've been on shows where it has in the past not because of anyone's fault, just you know
we're still waiting to do the show.
So when we
demonstrate fucking, but I used to live because when I was doing breakfast in Brisbane, it would fly to Melbourne, you know, would see Matt and I always got along with Matt fine. But then when we got to Melbourne, we'll go looking for schools for our five year old and when we're going to one school, my wife goes down dimension what you do here with the interview with the principal and I'm at what you're saying to me.
This is try and get into this school, and we went in and then the principal goes off so you know what do you do?
And I'm working media now you will remain on my radio and he goes on I said on breakfast radio. He goes what station I said our kids and he goes up, met till he's a good friend of mine. So you've taken his job.
A fucking the
Drop Mr. waffling well
I mean because he does not go to that school I mean because the thing is that you it's not your decision right this is this is it was it
and so like do you think that that's you know when people come into new markets night so think like because people should just have more empathy I guess for the fact that like no one's fucking deciding who don't like it i do think it's the opposite I think you are you've been in for 20 years but you seem more new school than what I've dealt with the old school radio heads I think going to New Zealand was the best thing for me was like I honestly it was like a new lease on radio life and you lost the nickname lost the nickname enjoyed radio a lot more. I was around younger team who was sort of
New Zealand was a bit more innocent to Australia. Like over there you know, big names in radio aren't treated like big names. You know, if you were kingpin of the station, you're the Breakfast Show.
If everyone was going to an event, we're all on the fucking mini bus or anything like that. So there was no sort of egos or anything like that. So when I went over there was a really nice fresh change. Why? Why do you think there are egos within radio?
I mean, there's there's a lot of big names in radio now who don't just do radio. That's the other thing. They be TV stars. You know, they're not just radio people anymore. Yeah, but inside, you have TV stars. Like in somewhere like I just don't think of Oh, I think it's like, you're on TV. But I don't know. Like,
I always think we sit there and go, but we're in the industry away in a city living I said to my team, I'm like, you know, to us, we might think, you know, oh God.
Hugh Jackman's done this this is the biggest news in our world and so I always chat with my sisters when I go to Brisbane because they
bit all the two of them I got kids and they're in the burbs, like, half the storeys that we think a big and it's
a fucking pleasure. We're talking about shot this
Thinking about money. Yeah, yeah. Which would be like, Oh my God, Jesus Christ has walked out west. I think probably what's rattled it and not shaken it out of a lot of these radio stars is that the job will be gone very soon. It's a fleeting market like for some of them It's like he can't just be telling anymore like
that's like part of it which is like there are
many people who it's just like, like you know who want to digital right? Who would say you know I don't want to be I don't want to be filmed unless I've done x y&z i can you build a show? You can't do that doing that now, but I used to work at the fire brigade in the media department and there's a big culture in a feel like amongst a fire is that when you're travelling, and basically rock up in any city and go into the fire station and have a chat and I feel like radio has a little bit of that to where it's like you go to different radio stations. Have you done that much where you go overseas?
And you actually popping off into a Bali radio station not for a tax write off but
honestly having this conversation in Bali and I was talking to the the nanny saying you know do you have messages stations here and she was showing us and we would get a like I was gonna go and pop in and say hi was the Indonesian person or is it like an Aussie I could imagine
really cool but not like to buy with so many Yeah, but yeah that's it but I'm a radio
I'm not ashamed by that I love that. You know I mentioned bags before you know you got mate everywhere across the country ready he's already in it already on it
and you know that we're talking about the big names and egos and stuff but there's there's big names that are still very grounded like you know
john cena few hours when we had our first kid Yeah, fake send us a good luck message where and with a flavours that had been sent to the station.
Cameras series dropping on air Brian stone, but I'm not super friends with him.
And, you know, we've always chatted over the last year in November he sent us a good luck message. Chrissy Swan who had never met reached out to say good luck, right? You know, there are still a lot of good people. Yeah, have you? I don't know if you've seen it, maybe that's you. Maybe that's the connexion to you, because that's not the experience I've had working with some of these people. And what they were saying about the other guys and so if your head's not in that place, actually Fuck it. You seem like a lovely guy. You are the person I hear on radio. And when I met met you today, you're the same person. Yeah, so there's no in congruence to my
think there's definitely like I put you on your Yeah, well, I think like I put I put you out there with like, Shane Jacobson is someone who I've always liked be shocked if he was an awesome yeah.
Yeah, and I've worked really closely with Shane has to do with social media back in the day and he was like, he was at the log ease and it's like, all the stars or whatever. I'm fucking the
It is like an avenue is a pretty woman.
Someone turned it back on you
can turn it off.
We know it's gonna bring it up. Oh, let's just see how it goes. I think that most people keep the studio call as well as freezing Yeah. Which is like I'm actually all for I feel like at the moment is fucking cold in Melbourne but what I was gonna say you made a comment when you came in. It was cold outside, didn't you? Yeah, it was fucking freezing but I think
it was nervous.
That's good banter
around the office.
That's one thing I've even said it to Tommy earlier today. Like your interactions with us like show like I think demonstrates how much of a good person you are on and off the air. I couldn't make it
Last week, and you call, I think that that's actually fucking Ray. I think people actually like making an effort. And
I felt because I had to cancel last week on you guys. And I know what it's like if someone cancels me Well, now I've got to, you know, fill that gap in the show and stuff. And there was a moment when we're doing the 57 outs, and with Eddie McGuire locked in for an interview at five o'clock, and, you know, we just thought I'll get any on. He's always a decent chat. Obviously, I'm gonna plug the hell out of his show. And then we're about to go to way we're in us and one of the producers David, the intern who we pinched after a month, he's I was there. The phone call is really terrible. And I said why? And he goes always on speakerphone, and I said, Did you ask him to take it off speaker because we always have people that take it off speaker and he goes, Yeah, he it. He said, it is what it is. I'm driving
and then we're laughing. We're like pasa you didn't want to tell it.
And we started the chat and it was the quality was like she asked
era and even after like 36 hours they should fucking know that's what was that come on if someone rang up and did this to your show definitely it is just it's rude and I had to cut him off and i'm eddie we can't hear you may have got to cut you off but like I was like you know brought up Sam Newman
we still play the show and everything but as you know it does make a difference right like I think that also because it is in some regards like we're in this weird sort of hybrid where like Tommy and I sit outside of the industry but we fucking enjoy the the radio stuff still we enjoy that but it's interesting to see that saw the industry now the industry is this like every radio station now is pouring. It was a cash into podcast Yeah. And what do you think that what is what do you think that means were to you?
But I think that you guys are that new I think that's why shows will go stations will go sessions will be like a Netflix it'll be just radio shows.
I think you'll listen to the radio in the future for just songs and little and you know, announcement bits during the day. Yeah, I think it's chunks of I think me I think music jocks are the ones that I'd be worried about. If I was a music job. Yeah, do you? Do you find that you can just get paid as a radio person and that's it. It feels like a lot of people slashes, it's like your radio person, but you're doing a lot of things. And I made the thing that for the first year to two years, we just made the pact that we weren't going to try and get spots on TV show and it's hard because you know, you get a spot on, you know, have you been paying attention? That's great. That's really good publicity. But it's hard because the minute you start doing that stuff, you know, radio doesn't necessarily become second but you know, a function only 10% of time there. And it's only 9% on the radio. We focus it is it is and we just made the pack. We're like no matter what goes on or we you know, get offered or sniffed out. Yeah, we're just gonna focus on this for the first year and a half. It's hard to find someone that you can have that agreement with like for Josh and I
personal social media is taking a hit. I mean, Josh didn't have one. But I think it's like, the mission is if you're both in on that same trajectory together, and then you've got, you've got to respect what the other person wants to do as well, that page does a lot more social than I do. And she'll do like endorsement campaigns and stuff. And, you know, doesn't my skin off my nose? As long as she's not losing focus on the show, then, you know, be men not to support it, but her and I were just, we're very lucky were at the start, we just spent so long building our relationship at the start, we'd go out at least once a week, just her and I for a coffee and have it out and go, what what have I done? That's factory off this moon or vice versa? That's hard, are you know, but I sent this to someone the other day. It's, it's not hard if you do that, at the start, is when you leave things and they build over time and it's been six months, and he'll do something small. That'll push you on here, and you'll be like, what was it you'd be like? 10 minutes might be
10 minutes late all the time. It's actually not a big issue if you deal with it straight away feels like when I think that way had so many blow off, like waste, but like first, I mean,
you know, when you make people like, we never thought that I get one day when you find your fat bring out nice guy 14 years ago
Nice seven when it was there and he would. Yeah, I mean, I think that was part of I mean, how did you feel watching the blow ups as a young person?
A little bit, you
know, you're sort of there and it's it's uncomfortable, but it's like, you know that it has to happen anyway. So you just sort of fighting? Yeah. I said to you, I said it. Does any of your mates talk like this? No. And I think that's the Josh and I have a unique friendship where we actually talked through a lot of shit, you got it. And so I would find that hard. And I did find it hard working when I go to sleep.
co host Yeah, you know, I was assigned today. So you the and then back. It's like I know, though, because we weren't at a high level in Shepperton because we both had like, oh, you'd I can take that offer the drop of a hat. Yeah. So
you know, what's the reminds me of when Karen came in to the office, we had a listener Karen and we invited her in. And then she was she's a film young filmmaker who's recently moved from Macau, and she's studying here, sitting on the show. And then I said, I'll actually we're just doing our whip. Like, do you want to see how we do everything is like, yeah, okay, let's I'll do that. Let's go anyway. Tommy gets a call and something's changed within a project and Tommy and I have a blow up. She's Karen, she's sitting there but the great thing is Mr. 97 is like, trying to talk to her being late. So Karen, what? Today?
You're about half an hour live.
I can't fucking argue if someone else is talking
I'm just like Shut the fuck up
that thing is I walked away from that thinking we handled that really well.
I think we knew there was a bit of fact that when I was like
I said literally said to Karen like Karen, just say no the reason why this upsets me
between the whole thing and
you have many people sitting in on your show.
We don't mind people sitting in in the like a lock area we don't want anyone in the studio guest comes in. We don't want a manager in there and just
it sounds wonky, but we're just such with so massive on vibe. And if someone's just sitting there like a record, I remember doing an interview with them. Remember Twilight when it came in? It's Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson. And I'd go the hotel and interview them and say you're Christians. You're Robin Pattinson. The camera there is May. This is their manager and he said in the middle
In the middle
of the claim to show the movie
30 centimetres back Oh, sorry, it was just had a camera view because
he was 30 centimetres back but in the middle, and you'd ask a question and he'd go
he was directing you to go the next one. And it was like, well, this is about you guys. But I'm not finding this interview a lot. I mean, what makes a good vibe this versus a bad vibe? Do you think I just if we're doing the show, and I look out and everyone's on their phones, or there's people sitting in and you can tell them not watching listening, then you don't want to look at and say that, but in saying that, like the first thing we did when we got to the station, we're like, we want to punch out the walk because the fight we're chatting about it before the fight room outside the studio, never used to overlook the team, you know, the kiss team and the sales team and everything. So we punched out that wall and put stairs in and I remember like the first day, sales reps would come up and I'd be like, really? And then he sees me, right? Yes, come Yeah. If you guys don't see the show, you know, I'm a big believer in unless everyone needs
saw the building is locking the show and cheering for a fact that saw the bill Yeah. And they say runs, you know. So what's in the product internally. So when it comes to day to day you hanging in the office for long. So we all get in just before five, we're in a meeting at five, or six or nine, then we pre record some stuff because we do not show with a replay around the country. And then we'll be in meetings where normally our
11 3012 and then we'll probably 12 on every 12 but I can blow out to one page went to school the other day record two or three. We're never out before 1130 and I think ritualistic that you do to set that vibe like if you want to, if you got a guest for instance, we're constantly like making slight tweaks like let's make it like when we started it was literally like spending ages and setting up our equipment not so things like Okay, well let's just have the gear ready. I'm very much like everything's got to be ready to go was trying different things were Okay, I'll start doing the intro
we've tried other things where have you ever done that live like you see like howard stern used to do that a lot which is like yeah the talking and I guess it creates a sense of it's an always on approach. I think if the show's live and they coming on as a live guest I actually really liked it. I think if it's pre recorded
we try that it's just awkward behaviour it's live actually Don't mind them walking in like that. I think that's cool.
When it comes to vibe, we just have it we just have a no bullshit policy. Most meetings like we said before about survey results Yeah, ever you know if if we do an H it with the boss after the show all the producers coming to the edge and we never really do a one on one chat with the boss without the team there. Yeah. And is there is there a sense that like,
back in 2012 radio was like, worry about what's coming through the space
is like when there was that obsession of digital when it was coming up, there was always the person saying, We're out we are a radio show if it doesn't sound good, nothing else matters. What is the friction at the moment between that's a fucking idea of going down the arrow that's going to make great video content but it's actually not going to be great for the speakers. I think I do believe at the end of the day if it's going to sound straight through the speakers is the point doing if we come up with something where we go that's really good video and like there's there's no great radio aspect to it then now we'll just do it as a video and then you know what so safe the Euro wasn't good radio comms and it was but it wasn't. And we just did this video. Surely there's got to be a funny storey.
And then we'll just go on in the next day ago we went down the YWCA. Here's the funny storey and if you want to see the full video, then go. We've said it's a bit of a hack to go. If we make videos separate to the show. They're actually storey opportunities for
The show here. Yes, I said the one so if you didn't say you could have taken the show and done the podcast while making the one. But if you said they got all the actual process quite boring for the radio, just do it as a separate video. Surely something's funny. There's gonna be a storey comes out of it. How often are you bringing like your iPhone and recording stuff?
a fair bit. When I was in Bali, there was our message and I swear that we're talking about me, so I recorded recorded it and then went home and got the Indonesian nanny to train and what were they saying? They said, The lady called me and told me it was about bald, fat white man, because I was getting a body scrub. The other guy in the place said he very dirty.
What did he say? GS? Nothing just coming made
a record. I played it to the Indonesian nanny. And I said don't tell me what it said and what they said. Just tell me if it was about me. Yeah. Because if it was
About made and we will. Yeah. She was laughing She goes, Yeah, yeah, it's about you and I'm not perfect. So I went back go the audio the production guys, we played on the air and say, Look, if you speak Indonesian Can you
tell us what they said? Jay, thanks for coming on the show pleasure. Congratulations. Thank you 400 and I do mean it like you sit here and you talk about the number and I have no doubt this show will be successful purely because you are doing it every day. And you're going to do for 10 years. And that's
that's a win. And thank you to the gronk squad for celebrating Episode 400 as well we had a bunch of we realise that over the last two weeks or fucking since we launched this amazing new website of the dough talk show calm didn't realise that we hadn't updated our fucking email settings. So for the past two weeks height, the daily talk show.com hasn't been going anywhere. We don't send them out. We could send a note.
Yeah, so we were wondering like she's been a bit quiet on the a mouse.
We had a bunch of people
malice. Grice is part of the gronk squad she's on a five week Europe trip right now and she's been listening to the show TG love getting like the random emails from them. We get the Texas police department,
the graveyard shift and now we've got in the squad cars. We listen to the podcast
and quiet in the squad cars during the
game, but that's what I love about podcasting. And like you said before with, you know, Instagram, it's just it's too crowded. And we also got Dan do another gronk, who listens to the show has written a rap and produced a whole rap which we're going to play tomorrow about the daily talk show. It's a good time I've been hitting the stage with all that work and then sent the email got the bounce back.
They didn't even get a bounce back. So the thing was, is like I said, that's how we worked it out. Damn, he's like, hey, how do I get I just said email. It is ok. Sent. My mate haven't got it yet. And then I was like
You must be fact that the email that I'm go through my the last email we got was July
I did the test since I didn't get that and then Mr. Nice Evan does a great job looking after a lot of things
we we definitely did I do that putting out slack group which is absolute group messaging. Hey guys about the email. Nice. Nice. Definitely should be fine back today. Yeah. And then
and then he did call me which at that point I didn't answer was this
topic the other day and no one rank for and I'm like, Ah, well the fans of
it is blind Monday whose
I think it was a mix. I mean, the great this is how far Tommy his company started meditating started.
Just a full meditation course he's also not drinking at the moment. So I'll have the red wine because I never used to drink
And so but he's put straightaway, Tommy's like you know what I was thinking about I can't believe I didn't pick up so now like he was self reflective about it. Whereas I was more like me tonight seven fucked up real bad.
Like I wanted to thank Leah she came out Karen Gillan, Molly Elliott's the Atkinson's Nicholas Chris Ryan Shannon cat.
Thank you. Thank you for thanks for celebrating Episode 400 We mustn't have done that argument between you and I mustn't have scared off Karen because she I think Yeah, exactly.
And she also you should do a dummy five.
full blown Yeah, just don't stop. Well, who's in the right
it's not a bad idea.
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all the pranks have been on you exactly as my
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