EP 1006
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the drone squad.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys put it in the calendar. Just like to check the temperature in the room. I
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:15] told you my squeegee story
Josh Janssen: [00:00:19] daily talk show episode at
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:21] 1006 is happening. I tell you what's happening. They say it feels a bit funny.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:26] Yeah. It's because Jess and JB were in there yesterday and very last minute decision to take off. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:33] Dade. We didn't have a hair like me. You can do that. Take
Josh Janssen: [00:00:36] it off. You can say the, the sort of Mark.
That's
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:42] fine. That's all right. That's all right. No, I don't know. I decided to take it off. Cause I, I mean, I just get in patterns of wearing a hat. Then I have a haircut. Look 11 out of 10. Yeah. And then I'm disliked for
Josh Janssen: [00:00:53] wearing a hat back on. Yeah. It's like I'm wearing baggy clothes when you don't like it, you know, it can be the comfortable thing, but if you don't have to wear them, people don't necessarily know what you're hiding underneath.
Not to just sit well, because I'm Bree was showing a photo of a dress she was wearing and people saw her back at work and said, wow, you've got a real muscly. Back compliment. Yeah. Cause she normally wears sort of baggy clothes. Yeah. Bear reminds me of Billie Eilish. Have you seen what's happened
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:24] with her she's 18, right?
George would know
Josh Janssen: [00:01:28] it. Wasn't George. He had a little countdown on his desk. I didn't dunno why, but um, when
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:35] was Billy Eilish born? Just asking Siri. I hit 18th of December, 2001. Oh my God.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:43] 2001 Oh two. Oh my goodness. 1991. I was like, Oh my God, that makes you is 20 2001 being born in
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:52] 2001.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:54] So she's 19. Anyway, she did the, um, the photo shoot.
So she typically has worn baggy clothes. Yes. And is now, um, has done a raunchy shoot and she's been slut-shamed for it
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:07] apparently. She's at the vibe. Yeah. What do they Slack shaming for who and who? Exactly who cause you say they, and I say who, and you say dire, usually. That's how it works. When anyone says they, you follow up with who's.
They just the M but who've really, um, if the, who, if the, who, whoever it comes back to the tabloids, fuck them. They aren't. The majority, it's some hipster Gronk that is, has done a university degree. I was a fuck load in hex.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:43] I dunno what you're talking.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:45] So I think about daily mail or these fuckwits that rise in these
Josh Janssen: [00:02:50] tablets.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:52] No, I'm annoyed that the, the, the, I think that a lot of the time something gets made out of nothing. So someone picks up at a Smith, a sniff on Twitter of some fucking massage units. You know,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:04] TJ is getting dirty when he starts mentioning
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:07] dude. But my point is that there's just a slimy little.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:11] Hex debt,
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:15] journos, uh, making something out of nothing.
And that's the they, so when you say they were like, it was one fuckwit online, and then the person who writes for these outlets put some daily mail news.com day U nine, MSN, all of the case, all the, every, and they don't really do it in a, it, they don't really do it anymore. But there was you and I are salacious, but we had no headsets
Josh Janssen: [00:03:46] came with spelling mistakes.
Well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:49] that wasn't my fault. That was Perez Hilton stall, just
Josh Janssen: [00:03:52] because I copied and paste copy
and
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:54] paste. I did you see, we got some sort of copyright email. About a screenplay Sunday
Josh Janssen: [00:04:00] episode. Did you see me right back on? Yeah, I wrote
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:03] back. Was that just an automated one?
Josh Janssen: [00:04:06] What happened? No idea. So yeah, someone said, Hey, um, uh, Jessica Lucas is using our like, and our screenplay yeah.
On your website or whatever like that attributed her, which never happened. And so for summer, like there is this, um, In the creative industry, there's a certain persona of like whack creative people that are probably bring it back to bongs, done too many bones and they're super paranoid. And they think that everyone wants to steal this stuff.
Probably the, yeah, they're struggling. And so they're on the lookout for anyone potentially using their stuff. And this is sort of. This person has said, Hey, Jess's uh, saying that she wrote the script. Yeah. I just wrote Jesus ever write
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:55] a script. I think she did. She did it when maybe
Josh Janssen: [00:04:58] it wasn't, it wasn't called that.
I think that what's probably happened is there's another Jess Lucas in Australia. There's an actor. Okay. So that's good. Famous actor,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:09] Jessica Lucas. Okay. I thought we were hiring him when we first I looked her up, I was like, fuck,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:14] but what annoyed me about the email we got was the person's like, ah, I know this person from film Australia, like all this.
And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:21] Golf. Yeah. I mean, but that's the putrid, the center of the internet. It is the 1%. It's like the just there's a lot of percent now internet is. 70%. So now you're right. 70%. Cause there's, um, X
Josh Janssen: [00:05:36] debt, riddled
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:37] fucks. There's a lot of people with problems on the internet, collectively in the consciousness online.
If you were just to look at that, uh, egomaniac, you know, fudge weights. Why are you saying this now? Oh, I was just listening to Eckhart. Totally. You're saying. Uh, he's talking collective consciousness, he's talking, he mentioned the people about it. Isn't it funny how the internet is so many people outstretched.
I dunno, he's accident. It's like you can't pick his accent, like it's from another country and you do . Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, um, no, Nope. Uh, there's some jobs online about Adam, Sam Harris. Just do it now. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of, uh, um, look for what look now. I can't even, I can't even do, it was
Josh Janssen: [00:06:28] less than it was.
I can do Ben Stu it's just cause he looks like Ben stealer.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:34] He doesn't actually talk like that. Sam Harris go for it.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:39] Open your eyes. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And consider everything that doesn't matter.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:47] But if he's from his app, do you think
Josh Janssen: [00:06:50] you probably, you can just go online and hear it if you want to. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:54] But, um, no echo Talia is great. He's um, he's talking, he's talking fuck and drove.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:01] What are you watching him on everything, Jay. He's honestly doing
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:03] reels now, now. Uh, so he's done a lot of content. He's done a lot of, lot of trips to Australia. Uh, friends of mine, Russ Mitchell went and saw him back in the day.
Um, he's an OJ, but he's been on Oprah goop. Uh, I mean a bunch of others, but they're just some super credible ones that I've listened to. And
Josh Janssen: [00:07:24] what are you searching to find him?
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:26] Um, it got totally cut. Totally.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:31] And then just clicking on a YouTube video and watching
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:33] it. Oh yeah, you do that. And then you see, he's done many talks.
He's got some good content. It's employing some good, good. Um, I mean, he's just got the content, so anything you'd get of him. He's great, but it's um, a good one, a good one. He, um, I was watching last night. Him talk about the question. Oh, sorry. Uh, it was like a secret now. I was like, is Zen someone, someone was asked, this teacher was asked, what can I do for the next year?
Like seven years? I said, you know, what, what training can I do? And they wanted, you know, some serious they wanted, they wanted some grueling meditation workout. You want to know that you're working for it
Josh Janssen: [00:08:14] because I guess what he said.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:15] So it could be like seven hours a day. You know, that's probably what you're thinking.
I need to meditate seven hours a day. Didn't say Fitbit. You said, um, you said whoop. No, no,
Josh Janssen: [00:08:24] no. That's funny. Actually he
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:27] said in any moment, this is an Eckhart. He's saying that someone else said this, but I was listening to it outside. Um, in any moment, no matter what happens wherever you are, you need to say to yourself, thank you for everything.
I have no
Josh Janssen: [00:08:43] compliance. That's a good way of ending the shower. Every single app. Thank you for everything. I have no complaints.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:50] Yeah. And so think about that a complaint. So what a complaint is when you're complaining on Uber eats. Yeah. It is inflammation. With emotion attached. So factual information, your tap's leaking.
Yeah. You could go and make a complaint to the front desk about your tap. Leaking becomes a complaint. So it's information with emotion attached and we complain a lot. We all do, but so
Josh Janssen: [00:09:22] if, say it again, what do you say? Thank you for everything. Thank you for everything. I have no complaints. That'd be good to save going through the drive through.
Thank you
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:31] for everything. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:32] Rather than sweet
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:33] and sour sauce in the bag. Yeah. But see, the problem is where it goes. It gets tricky. The example he uses, I forget this one cell. So let's see. Hey, let's say thank you for everything. I have no complaints. You take the bag. You don't look in the bag. There's no, fuck you.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:48] And you open it up and sell it for me. Eight, the sweet and sour sauce. That's great because she's like, I can't have the fucking chips.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:55] She used sweet and sour sauce on cheap stair. That's what she get wide. You can whip up some caster, sugar in water. Why do you think people are on top of
Josh Janssen: [00:10:03] your cheese? If you, if you're having McDonald's it's not a fucking muscle.
Um, and so,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:09] um, cause I was on the phone to you. I called you. Sorry. Matt just said quarter pounder. Yeah. And uh, sweet and sour sauce. Yeah. I was like, Oh, he's having
Josh Janssen: [00:10:16] nug. No, none of that, bro just likes having the sweet and sour.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:20] It is good on GBS. It is good. But so when you get home and you say. Before you read, Hey, thank you for everything.
I have no compliance. And then you arrive in the bag and you just fucking blow up. It's say, that's the challenge, right? Because it's not about then it's got like, you've almost got sort of parameters on it in this, like, cause then now it's, it's an resetting setting every moment with thank you for everything.
I have no complaints dropping back a little
Josh Janssen: [00:10:49] bit. I like that. Where could you say it more? Where do you complain the most in life?
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:55] Um,
um,
I think I've said it a lot with coffee in my life. The, the definitely like the temperature. Thank you for everything. I have no compliance because you just want to launch into it. It's not hard enough.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:16] It's not hard enough. It's a little passive aggressive though. Don't you think not?
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:20] If you say it, um, Not passively, passively aggressive,
Josh Janssen: [00:11:26] so I would've sent them.
Yeah. So if you
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:28] don't, if there's a tone, passive aggressive has a tone to it. Okay. Because you can
Josh Janssen: [00:11:33] tell the tone is,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:36] or it's a look otherwise it's called, can
Josh Janssen: [00:11:39] you do a rude version and then a nice version.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:43] Thanks for everything. I have no complaints.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:47] Oh. So it doesn't feel that passive though.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:51] Then it could be smiley.
You deal great. Passive aggressive. No,
Josh Janssen: [00:11:56] no, I'm really good at passive. So passive aggressive, the aggression is not in the tone. The aggression is what's being said in Hawaii. So it's like if I said, Oh, have you, um, I just remembered. Did we take the bender yesterday?
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:11] She does it. Yeah. Yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:12:12] we did. Good. Thanks Jess or George, whoever that was, but it's amazing.
If I
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:17] could see out of the guy who you need, passive aggressive, what this is you being fucking passive aggressive. Why? You weren't here
Josh Janssen: [00:12:23] yesterday. You weren't here. I can't throw in the morning. Did you get that's good. You're a passive aggressive dog. Yeah, well, no. I was planning on being passing away without even
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:32] knowing every other guy, girl in the business.
You point out that they probably did it. No.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:37] Well, because you weren't.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:40] It was great
Josh Janssen: [00:12:41] though. Cause I reckon that a passive aggressive thing would be me saying, did you take the bins out? If I know that you didn't. Yeah. So did you take the bins out? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so the thing is there's no, no aggression in that.
No. Um, cause it's passive or it's like saying, um, uh, how was Jim in the morning? How was Jim this morning? If you'd sort of worked out that you think that in go to the gym.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:06] Yeah. Um, but what if I thought you had, so you say, yeah, it's about the intention. I actually thought you didn't go, but I'm going to ask it, but there is, yeah.
Those moments,
Josh Janssen: [00:13:18] people do that. People definitely do that on purpose to fuck with that's the passive aggressive bit. Um, can I do a shout out to it professionals? Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:26] As in just
Josh Janssen: [00:13:27] the whole field out? Yeah. Haven't done a shout out in a while to every
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:31] it.
Josh Janssen: [00:13:32] No. So if you're an it professional, listen to me right now.
I've gotten into MDs.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:40] Michael Dunga, Stena
Josh Janssen: [00:13:43] that's MBS Michael, my yesterday. Um, no, uh, so
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:49] Mel, give me the first word please. Mac Mac diagnosis, system
Josh Janssen: [00:13:55] deployment servers. Okay. And so, um, basically I'm in the deployment game now. So, you know how, when you get a laptop from work, did you ever get, you brought your own, didn't you, uh, when you worked at kiss, I didn't know that you had a Mac and then you
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:11] that's.
Right. I remember they gave me this fucking hunger junk that I actually could have broken over a mule's back and it would have killed it. Like if I put that on back of a donkey dead.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:24] Sure. Well, so anyway, MDs. Um, I'm Palm, right. You know, you know, the business is getting big when you start putting a deployment system.
So say you get a new Mac, what sort of apps do you have on it? What's the, the desktop wallpaper. What's the logins that are available. I control that now. Yeah. And so every
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:50] company friends installed. It
Josh Janssen: [00:14:52] does have screen-sharing. Yes. So you can, I can screen share. I could be there as an it professional in the business.
I could screen share and fix your problems. You could
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:00] look at Jessie's computer while
Josh Janssen: [00:15:02] she's on it. Well, Jesper brings in her own personal one. Yes. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:08] You bet. That's the
Josh Janssen: [00:15:11] get a screenshot. You get screen-sharing warning. Yes but no. So the cool things are, so these are some of the things I want to streamline stuff.
So. You, um, you have like the admin login and then there's another login, little bit more sort of tighter. And it's got all of the Adobe staff everything's styled in blots. So like, um, the way that we stylize our footage, it's all available easy. There's a, um, a sinking folder that you can put stuff on and then it automatically syncs.
Where's it go? It goes to the nest, the nest, the other great thing. Um, so Slack, right. We don't really use, like we've got Slack, we use Slack, but I don't think we use it to the full potential. What is the full potential? I will tell you Slack. So do you know about Slack bot and what do you know about Slack bot
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:59] automated messages from plugins?
Sorry, I get a Slack bot. We get a Slack bot for the episode. When it goes live, we get a, I get a Slack bot for, um, HubSpot when I need to do something in there. What about
Josh Janssen: [00:16:11] this? So Slack bot. You want to know our premier pro shortcuts you could type in who's shortcuts. The companies we're going to have company-wide shortcuts.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:23] There's only one person. That's not doing the shortcut. So George,
Josh Janssen: [00:16:28] because
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:29] do I do, how does he have this? You and I have the same shortcuts.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:33] I heard that he changed the C key. Premiere pro uh, applies. You're going to love this. He uses the C K to cut, not like a razor tool. And I think like, actually can't like, it's pretty, it's a guillotine.
It's pretty interesting having a one cut, but I sort of respect it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:49] I've been using the case down here works well, but he has to come over to our side because if you can't have,
Josh Janssen: [00:16:56] but we just need to, we need to have a lunch and learn which Jess always. It talks about every, like the businesses she used to work at, we always did lunch and learns.
So we're going to start doing less monopoly, more lunch and learns. Um, and so the idea is you can in Slack say PP shortcuts and all of the shortcuts appear you type in a PP
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:23] project. You need the shortcuts to be a, in a file. Can you have it push a
Josh Janssen: [00:17:27] fall. So this is what we could do. So PP project, and I could send in Slack, like a Slack bot will automatically send you a template of premiere pro with all of our folder
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:40] structures.
And if you're playing at home and you have no idea what Slack is, because that is a thing, dude, everybody knows what it's like.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:46] So not true, dude. It's like text message who doesn't know what Slack is. A
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:50] lot of people, if you have no idea what Slack is, a malice don't bother. No, but seriously, I've
Josh Janssen: [00:17:57] talked to him, the deli talks about kombu
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:59] fucking party outside of your circle.
Why would I do that? Yeah, I know that was it. Cause I know you
Josh Janssen: [00:18:07] don't fucking do that shit. I dunno. Like you just like yesterday and invited. I didn't go to the gym,
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:13] but so some people have no idea about what Slack is, but it, but, so
Josh Janssen: [00:18:20] what do you think of this though? Like just in how streamlined, what about this.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:24] Um, what else could you Slack media company logo? Yes. Cause, you know, when you're fucking hassled and you want to just want the,
Josh Janssen: [00:18:33] and so we could connect them up to, um, or there's so many things we could do. So a Google drive thing. So we could paste in the Google drive links for these things. We could be like a color, like brand colors, all of it can be in Slack.
So you could just be using Slack as this automation for it. No it's included within Slack. And so I just want to get a really, cause obviously we have the ransomware stuff, which was very disappointing. We're sort of near nearing the end of that and fixing it all, which is nice. But I just want to make sure that we have, like, this is what, um, I can even set up a, uh, an agreement, user agreement.
So when you get your computer, you have to, like, I can put up like an, a BMC agreement using this laptop. Like I could say no porn at the, the office you'd have to click and gray.
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:23] And if you call it, you need to transfer 0.01 Bitcoins exactly. To our wallet. It's cool. Hey, do you think, do you think that it's realistic?
Like I think about big companies that are actually profitable.
Josh Janssen: [00:19:41] They're doing this. You think so if you have an it department. That's why anyone who's an it professional height, the daily talk show.com are you deploy? Like this is how you have to do it. And so the thing is that there's, um, some software,
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:55] some MIT departments are just swimming.
They're just trading, but they have
Josh Janssen: [00:19:59] as a minimum, this is what they need. Treading water dirt. So it's like a, so there's a tool called monkey, M U N K I a it's open source. And so you can, it will automatically. It's why I've been thinking about how happy you will love this. Cause you look after our insurance stuff.
Uh, anything that goes onto the network, I can get the serial number for it and we can put it into like an assets manager. I've got annoying for things. I know you've got an assets thing, but how easy that it just automatically get a new computer. Boom. Ah, sorry. When you,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:30] when you connect to the wifi.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:32] Yeah.
Okay. And so anyway, but the thing is that, um, I'm geeking out at it. There's probably a few things I need help with. If there's any Gronk that has half an hour to geek. You know,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:44] especially if you have no idea what Slack is, you'll be helpful, real helpful
Josh Janssen: [00:20:49] using MDs in your business. Let me know. I think that they're the
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:52] people you want to speak to, but I also think are you in a, you in a it department and you just don't use half the shit.
I don't know what they're
Josh Janssen: [00:21:02] doing,
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:04] you know, tinkering. So
Josh Janssen: [00:21:06] the thing is that it's like if someone finished, it leaves a business, what's the protocol. There has to be a protocol. Like what happens to that device? How
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:14] does it get going all in, on
Josh Janssen: [00:21:16] work from three days a year work work from the office
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:20] three days a year is all you need to come into the office.
Yeah. Have
Josh Janssen: [00:21:24] you seen, um, that's crazy dude base camp or base camp at doing
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:29] base camp have changed an internal policy and given people the option to. Take the severance package. If they don't agree with their terms of operation, can I say there's a few kinds of
Josh Janssen: [00:21:40] jobs of operations? So some of the things I liked can't hop on decisions that Mo made previously.
You don't agree with. I like that if you do
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:49] out. Yeah, I did see the, the, the little ferret that ride that article.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:55] Jason frayed. Nice guy. No. Ah, as in, from the verge of the
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:59] business, Jason. Yeah. Same fuck. Yeah, that works for the verb. He might not be what's the American version of ex student loans student.
Yes. No, but the way they make it out is like, all these people are leaving based on this. I saw heaps alike. Fuck twice. Good severance. I don't even need to be here anymore. I'm going to leave and get a great payout and raise my kid. So there was some, I, I, it was quite salacious. I then jumped in and was like, Oh, some people are just choosing to leave.
Well, the thing is, I didn't have to tell them why you can actually just say, I want my severance package. Give me my six weeks,
Josh Janssen: [00:22:35] six months they give six months, one third of the business
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:40] left. It was a small, small operation. And so what were some of the negative ones?
Josh Janssen: [00:22:47] So why people were leaving, but what, what were the, so yeah, so no politics to be talked about on any business platform.
Sure. So if you're using Slack or for them may, you know, internally use base camp, you can't be doing it, which, you know what, Mike,
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:05] I agree with the thing, the thing is it's people being told what to, what they can speak about what they can, which is most people's problem. Also,
Josh Janssen: [00:23:12] the thing is that they, um, I think where they're being criticized is that we're doing a bunch of work.
I think around like diversity, potentially like having a committee, they're not doing committees anymore. Um, but having worked at a few businesses that have had committees,
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:30] uh, dumb
Josh Janssen: [00:23:32] once I dumb, uh, potentially destructive and ineffective, if not done correctly. And I could see why you would want to, like all of a sudden, you just have a bunch of Grong.
So get together. Oh, very noisy that make it start making huge changes within a business. And it's the, um, it doesn't actually reflect what the business is about. And so it sort of, they become too powerful. And so yeah, you see, um, they're not doing committees anymore, which I sort of, I think that the thing is, uh, There are people within a business that's designed to make decisions.
They should bring the people who are relevant to that convo conversation into the mix. When they need to and say, Hey, we're doing something on diversity. What do you think about it? Like, consultation is good, but having a random group who then becomes sort of the steering force of the company,
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:24] most people don't care until someone else has made a decision and then the light, but I don't like that.
And so. A committee could be the people who are the task is to make a decision based on not many people want to enter into having to think about making a decision, but as soon as the decision is made, it's like having feedback on someone's cookie you've bet you have had no input, but there's a bit too much oregano in that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:51] Well, I think that, that, yeah, you can miss the, um, I wonder like with a lot of this sort of stuff, so there's this stopping a lot of the, um, Uh, social impact stuff that they were doing. One of the interesting things is so they, they used to give, um, a gym memberships and all of this sort of all these perks to the staff, to the staff, not doing it anymore.
Fair enough. We're saying, you know what, uh, it's actually not our business. What you do after work by us saying here's a gym membership or here's this it's like meet, like I did literally think. Um, a bonus structure from a business perspective could be around a golf membership. Probably. Jesse's not going to be happy with that.
Right? Potentially she preferred, she preferred
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:39] the G Jim things a bit more general. Cause it's the, the essence of it is health. Whereas you, the essence of it is health social. You want people to play golf, not health.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:51] So anyway, the projected is so to be honest, like you look at the gym example, you do the golf on, it seems ridiculous.
It's actually not that different.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:03] I think their point is getting rid of a gym. Like, is it control? Is it just having anything, any type of influence on what someone chooses to do?
Josh Janssen: [00:26:12] Yeah. So rather than saying are like, yeah, you are going to be rewarded. If you go to a gym or do this, it's like, you know what, we're going to give you the cash.
So they worked out what the financial amount was. Yeah. And they just giving it so let's do it the same thing. Exactly. But the thing is there is actually a bit of a difference.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:29] One when you could, what could you spend it on yourself? You could buy, buy donuts if you want it or a donut,
Josh Janssen: [00:26:35] but you wouldn't have to, like, the thing is that they were saying, it's not our responsibility to say, you know, go to the gym or do this, or do that.
So you do what you want, which I think like they're being criticized, but I, I like a lot of this stuff, um, by that, but I think there's a lot of people, like I was speaking to a mate last night, And he was saying, Oh, you know, uh, he, he runs a business. He was saying the people around him saying, uh, base camp a bit out of touch.
Like they're not, um, they're not really sort of, uh, uh, in touch with the common man nowadays.
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:15] They were progressive business in that they've been remote for many years and flexible work hours. Great. But then you want to privilege when you looking at that versus imagine a fucking, yeah. Car manufacturer.
And so
Josh Janssen: [00:27:31] this is, this is the weirdness of all of this stuff, that there is a, um, I can't describe it, but having worked at businesses that have been high perk high sort of like great place to work is, is a priority. There is a point where shit goes bad. There's a point it's like, I'm the spoiled child effects.
There is a point where not only do these perks not make lives better. But all of a sudden, if you're getting free gym memberships, if you're getting bonuses, if you're getting this, if you're getting that all of a sudden it's like, it becomes other issues, right? Like they work out. It's like, Oh, you know what?
Like why, um, why am I having to, um, Uh, just, I can't even
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:18] think it's just the Coke zero out of the fridge that they get and people will lose it is
Josh Janssen: [00:28:26] exactly
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:27] Josh. Get it. Yeah, no, I mean, it's, um, there's a lack of, uh, gratitude, uh, awareness in those moments. Like, what's the saying? Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:28:40] Nothing to say here.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:42] Thanks. Thank you for everything. I have no complaints. That's what people, if everyone at base camp said that. Yeah. All good. All good baby. The thing is, you know how we've talked about like going overseas and how you sort of look around. You're like, wow, you feel like, you know, and you want that. You want that vibe of what that sort of bright-eyed vibe back home.
There is the reality that. People haven't looked at people haven't looked at their painting on their wall for three years in the house because you're so like numb to your current or you've just, it's just now so normal. This is the problem with .
Josh Janssen: [00:29:22] What is the roots? It's just like, it's expected now. Is it?
Yeah, it's just like, like your house. Yeah. It's not a trade anymore. It's what am I having for dinner? Yeah. And so they're like, there is something
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:35] good campaign. Is it? What's the, what's the dinner I'll be having? Oh
Josh Janssen: [00:29:38] yeah. I'll be having, yeah. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:41] there's no excitement to that year, your life. But now
Josh Janssen: [00:29:43] I had a delicious bowl this morning.
Whenever I eat it, you know, thank
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:49] you for everything.
Josh Janssen: [00:29:50] I've no complaints. What time? Hide the daily talk, show.com. If you're an it professional and want to geek out about deploying some Macintosh computers. I know we've only got five at the moment, but. Looking to scale this isn't I want to do, I want to learn it.
So it's not about, I'm not trying to get contractors in or it, people I want to actually, I enjoy geeking out. The one bit I'm having issues with is like a think of like an SSL certificate. But, uh, yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:18] And also if you haven't left a review, I'm not telling you what you need to write, but maybe just write.
Thanks. Thank you for everything. I have no complaints,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:28] Apple podcasts, pain in the ass, slightly by people are really struggling with it. It's just I'm right guys. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:34] Thank you for everything. I have no complaints that G for their delay
Josh Janssen: [00:30:38] go onto YouTube or Spotify
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:41] push podcast to my fucking pocket for free.
Technically not for free, cause I have to have an iPhone anyway. All right, well, I have to go on guys. I say guys.