- April 26, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Thursday April 26 (Ep 73) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett. –
The creative process is hard — combine it with business and you have the perfect recipe for potential overthinking and burn out. Josh asks Tommy some big life questions on this episode of The Daily Talk Show.
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Daily Talk Show Episode 73. What is happening? My people, you know what I thought? Then there's some bloggers and there's this one. Ben Brown, who opens. You know how he opens his lungs? What's happening? What's happening everyone, or he does this weird like, he's a South African dude. And he's just got this phrase it he says at every point. Yeah, it's a
it's a common logging technique, right? You open it up the same way. Yeah, we do that a bit. The Daily talk show, I guess this is saying the name of the podcast,
isn't it? Exactly right. There's, you've seen the video of the YouTube kid,
the kid who's on YouTube who's like, 10, and he made a video about me. Yes, yeah,
you. Shame. I still haven't made a video about what you what we can learn 10 things we can learn from the 10 year old YouTuber. And that's a good idea. Because this is a kid who it's like, he's got mums iPad, and he's worked out that he can use software. Yeah. And he's self taught himself like self taught and he games and the record the screen it like, it blows my mind how young kids I mean, we speaking about it yesterday, Trevor about kids. And they, you know, adapting or adopting technology super, super early. Yeah.
And he's kids, if you didn't listen to that one. They have specific Minecraft channels. Yeah, they follow on YouTube. And every Saturday and Sunday morning, they can go on the TV and watch these specific channels. We're
just in this world of and i and i think i'm thinking about this more because of Bodie of just you need to be able to find initiative in yourself to pick up something and just loan Yeah, and do it yourself and rely on yourself? Yeah,
I think that when you say these things, the one thing that I think about two weeks fact we put a lot of pressure on ourselves, you and I like a lot of creative people. And I think that, that pressure to to make to fucking bring in money to be being creatively fulfilled. It's if I can push boundaries to be doing like, creating when you don't want to create know about sort of stuff like when like, what's, what's
your thought? What is the thought? Yeah? Is it a negative? Or is it
a question on? Like, is it necessary?
I think it is. Why, because I think the process you go through as a business owner, as a creative someone going to university as someone doing a course one on one with somebody,
there were times because our minds are very similar in our brains, though the functionality of the human body and everything we experience like it's a human experience, to feel anxiety, you know, feel stressed to feel really happy one day to feel super motivated to feel fucking down and flat as far. Yeah. And so it's the, it's like a roller coaster and everyone's on the roller coaster. We're just on a different card on our own track seems to
come it feels like in some regards, though. It's cyclical in the sense of it. Last week, speaking to a few creative friends. Everyone was in a slump. Everyone was like fucking struggling and price at home. It's this this mercury the mercury rising Yeah. What is that? Like astrology? The breeze never mentioned this in my wife. But since she's been an off like an all women office. Yeah, Mercury rises,
talking about this stuff. I know, I've got friends that are into that. And I don't really listen to that stuff. But I think my point is, it is hard when I think the selling bit and the real like the stuff we hear the motivation do it when it's tough, is because the reality is, that's when people aren't fucking doing it. And they want they don't become who they want to be. Yeah, and it's because they don't push through that stuff. And it's easy to say that even me saying that sounds fucking cliche. It's like it, but I feel it. I'm fucking I feel flat is fact. At the moment. Yeah, I was feeling a bit off like data, like my body like shooting myself the other day, the podcast with Michelle Yeah, I literally came into that. And I think I was a bit quiet, and I didn't want to tell you. Yeah, you know, I was feeling flat as far because I wanted to get through it, and I didn't want to bring the energy density button that's pretty
bad Porcaro. But was really what it was, it could have called the podcast app, I'm pissed off with Michelle urbane. If it's like, you cold. The episode. Bad pork row. It's like
the idea. I felt bad. And I still feel flat today. Because I think it was probably something more than just bear pork roll. Yeah, but I
am Toby. Today's episode. We'll call band pork wrong.
I've been okay. I've been talking to the girl who comes in does work experience with me. Yeah, 16. She was on the podcast, we talk about initiative. And we talked and it sort of stay, you know, she's left school. And so I you know, we talked about my experience leaving school and how I've got to where I've got to, and I reflect on university and people who who would have done or doing what I do but going through that university route. And you and I didn't go Yeah, but we're driven and we have initiative to create projects that allow us to exercise as you know and and grow a skill set
by a sales were universities you're learning from somebody and they sit you a project so there's learning doing, you know, it's probably I
feel like we I think we're over stating it. I think that we're almost too grandiose, one of the things I've been thinking about is, it's like if I actually spent two hours a day on something of meaning, like a piece of content, how much I'd actually be able to make the daily talk show, I think, is an example of this where I'm starting to feel like like, maybe you don't need to get fucked up tired, and like, be angry at yourself. Because I feel like I get angry at myself. I'm like, I can do what you gotta do. Like. And that level of anxiety is more paralyzing. Like, it's this weird thing where it's the motivator, but also that negative talk can be fucking good for your song.
Well, I think there's the motivator. Okay, for instance, radio working, getting up at 4:30am every morning, whatever it was, fuckin early, feel like in the middle of not. And the motivation was that it was a job. And I had all these peoples expecting me to rock up. Yeah. So the motivate, like, the moat, not even motivation, not feel good motivation. The dry like, that's why I don't want to let these people down. I've been given this opportunity or earned an opportunity. And I have to show up. I fucking didn't want to be there. A lot of the days that I was feeling down and flat like app and you have to push through. And so when a creative endeavor is like, very much self prescribed, like yeah, you coming up with the thing that you want to do two hours a day to create this documentary. Then the six months
you're going to feel like a fucking piece of shit some days. Yeah. And and that's where this selling like the the Oh, you gotta grind. It's like, yeah, I get it grandiose to be saying you can get through it. But you know what? He's actually he's a grand
to get through something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's,
it's a motivator. I think that I'm like, reflecting a bit on you know, definitely, most people I know, work in sort of waves and you sort of ride these big highs. I feel like at the moment, I've got like, I've got work coming in. I've got like, I've got enough work for until I go away.
And there's a few like, cool projects and all that sort of thing. But everything feels a little bit hard. You know, that feeling where everything's just like this is
it's not that knowing that it's like, it doesn't feel natural. Like what I'm doing like the It feels like it's almost like a machine or a isn't sort of lubricated you sort of you fucking like it's actually grinding internally.
I think that's it. Yeah, I listen. I went to a
females in business of female some some I'm Women's Business. Really what I Queensland private events. Yeah, pretty expensive tickets per head, corporate women. There was I got an invite to feel home. Yeah. So, you know, it wasn't there, to just hang out, but make Kevin Rudd's wife was talking Yeah, to raise series, someone and guy Oh, Kelly, CEO of Westpac, one of the seventh most powerful women. Yeah,
and a couple of other business owners that are killing it. And do they're saying exactly what you were describing what you said, Yeah, around it hurts. Like, which it sounds crazy. But as we've talked about, humans wanting struggle, I'm being this thing a survival is like, we we need the struggle to survive, because it keeps us going.
And I think the upsetting part of it is, things feel self inflicted as well. Yeah, I think that when you work for yourself, anytime that you're not like, I think that what I'm struggle with ease, there's always things to be done.
And when there's always things to be down. Whenever you're not doing that thing you can I find it hard just to relax, or to just be in full enjoyment, I'm almost have to accept the fact that if I'm doing something outside of my to do list, or the work that I need to get done that I'm, I feel a bit anxious, so you never really relax. Or it's like it. Probably a good example
was like doing work. You know, like yesterday was the public holiday, you think about the day before, like a public holidays when you work the South bit of a cluster Fuck, because all of a sudden, you know, the shoot that you have today, on Thursday, all of a sudden, that's fact like, you've got to be thinking about that the day but you know, the Tuesday you can't like, so you're losing time. And there's a sense of like, thinking, hey, like that constant thought of like, have I got everything I need? I need to organize these things. What else do I
Yeah, and I think that that's, I guess the reason I'm saying this is because maybe I identify that a lot of other people feel this way. Yeah, and it's maybe it's talking about it because I know that it's like, like, it's it's our it's our chi i also think that it's never as bad as what we paint the picture today. Like, I feel like for me, I can really get in my head about it and just been like, haven't fucking done the YouTube channel. I'm not do it like the word like, I'm slow on my email list. Like, this person must be happy because I was slow my email Laura. It's like, I got an eight. How about this, I got an email from a massive global company, which actually went to my spam folder, because it went through my fucking WordPress contact form, which I know is sorted out anyway, I've lost about six grands worth of work. Yeah,
that why going to spam well, so
I, I caught it a day after I got it. And I sent them an email to catch. So I just check the spam thing regularly. But the the interesting the interesting bit was that
they were saying hi, we've got this got, you know, you were recommended to us got this project, like global project would be in August. And so it's just like this, this friction where it's like, okay, there's this person, this company and they sent me a link to the example and you're talking like,
probably a quarter of a million dollar project. It's fucking huge. And I feel like out of my depth, because I like I look at the project that they've gotten done previously. I'm like, Why the fuck you like, that's phenomenal. That's like, sound designs. Amazing. This is like, you know, a massive operation. And so I I wrote back and said, Hi, yeah, let's, let's catch up. Sounds like an awesome opportunity. But then there's that fucking thing of like, I've got my treat, like, it's that
opportunity stick thing where it's like, okay, I meant to be leaving end of June being away, you know, June, July, August, September, and then you have like, it just, I feel like, it rattles you. It's a weird problem to have. Because, like, a, like an opportunity. But it's that question. It's enough to question Am I doing the right thing? Should I be maybe I shouldn't be on this trip.
Or it's not set in stone? Yeah. So you can't like you don't know if you go get it and all can't base your whole life around it. Right? What we'll do you want to live in for yourself? You know, what, what level of anxiety Do you have any life yeah, haha, my mate Craig happy he had for James couple of businesses. You know, but, you know, 100 and something people working for him, like, you know, working within these facility these and yeah, he, he threw it all in because he was living in a state of, you know, anxiety, essentially, like waking up in the middle of the night, right? Having the right shut down. And, and he just realized it's not for him. And he's that I guess that's what I'm trying to work it
out is I went down the rabbit hole of a bit of Comparison, where I looked at, like, what company did do their last video. I'm like, fact I've got to like the, the women Melbourne based. They had a fucking amazing operation. Like, you know what, that's actually how I would ride. They were really that sort of few steps ahead. And
then you can be a little bit reflective on it, right? Which is like, Okay, I'm looking at that. And I find it aspirational. But it's not what I want.
What do you want you to have to cite? But yeah, that is the thing, right? Yeah, because, that's when you feel Jaak is when the thing you actually want is out of alignment. The thing you going towards I think, what's also really hard is what happens if what you want
is is not in alignment with what you're good at. Yeah.
What about people who are really good at something,
but they fucking hide it. That'd be hard.
Just watch the voice
that's people who a fucking want something. And don't have the talent rise out. What your phone? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's
the singing Yeah. And look like, they just fell in love it and it's like, bro, do not know. Yeah, for you not watch yourself back. That's a level of I mean, what we're talking about is a level of awareness within yourself to, to, to read these things, you know, to see how could that be someone's calling? That's what I wonder like, how does someone like,
how do you
reconcile the idea that my calling might be to be singing, I feel happiest when I sing. But I'm not a good singer. So the market doesn't necessarily see what I feel there's a misalignment between how I feel and what I could, it's like podcasting. in some regards. I feel fucking great doing this, can I, I can make more money at the moment doing videos, which I feel sort of aligned with. And that's a fucking weed thing with all of this.
And brave and asks these questions to me, which is like, will you ever will you ever be happy in a sense of what you go along to the you get to the point that you want to get to? And it's like, I think I want something else now. Yeah,
switch it up. Yeah.
And then that, switching it up, I get this, that little bit of a panic inside me, which is like,
will I ever find the one thing
so I did an interview with Craig and we talked about this, and I posed the question of, because I feel the same like, Fuck, you know, you set this goal, and you get there. And you just like, fuck this, isn't it? And then I think for the next thing that I said that the same thing will happen. Yeah. And he's like, Yeah, but Alternatively, you get there. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, so there is that possibility, right? We're just
because I'm in that same place. Yeah, it's like,
when I wanted to be on
TV, it was nothing. Like I thought it fail. So the neck because I was I had progressed and, you know, TV, meaning a fucking little show that I was hosting. But I had that goal. And by the time I was there, I was six years older. Yeah, and different person in a different place. And
the thing is, like, You fought so hard for your company, for your office space, all of the things that you have. And so it's fucking hard when you look at it, and you can feel like a bit of a fucking asshole to because you're like, you've brought everyone on this journey, right? If I can, told it, like, you've put every give to people to watch your videos, and to listen to the theme, that sort of thing. And then you're like, a, I don't know, if this is like the, and it's based on this thing of like, you're getting fulfilled, but it feels like there is a point where you sort of it runs out. I've
been thinking lately, I've been I think you do this, too, we've both been pretty reactive, and how businesses reactive in terms of, you know, our personal brands, whatever, you want to look at that and what that means. Yeah, just us and the business we can generate purely around that and who we know what we can do. And our work can do quite a bit Yang creates, you know, good numbers, but then we then it's very easy to just be reactive to the work coming towards us. So how
do you I guess how do you make decisions that are
that don't make financial sense? Yeah,
I'm thinking right now about one that makes no sense in if I went to somebody said he's the money I need money to do this. But I can't tell you the ROI just yet. And I think for some reason my head it feels like that's the thing that will work because I think that's like I'm convinced off and I can't I can't even articulate the thing that I'm talking about just yet. But I think that's the whole thing of it. I feel like it's it's close I feel like it's achievable but its weight
Well, I think the example is like the question to ask he sees anything that's easy worth doing.
You see, easy
is anything easy worth doing. Mac is run when you actually
know that's hard. So that will give you an example but that's
the reality of living is easy. Reactive business is pretty easy. Yeah, that's the easy road I feel like I'm on
Yeah, why there's a paradox there which is like it's the hard road because it's not necessarily the road that you want. Yeah,
the it's the one that's going to it's the easy way of potentially making money
but it's um yeah I did a LinkedIn I wrote an article when I was
starting full stack films could actually bring it up it was um,
it was about plan B's and I wrote this article and you know how like when you're transitioning from a a job or something like that you will you sort of you don't get your fucking you just a hyper aware of everything and everything's a bit fucking
what's the word you know like you're at a sort of a heightened state of like because you've just gone through this transitional point all of that so you're saying you're fucking a bit a little making big moves and you live and you're very good and you you put pen to paper finger the keyboard and he taught me a little hard to add yes Josh does I really want to find this so anyway my Mater Jimmy I may have even till it I'm just typing in plan Bay into my notes so if it comes up I'm
going to click my fingers and Josh will have it 321 you know yeah we kind of conflict and find it
that was not but basically that's sorry sorry for the lack of magic they guys but basically the point was and I was gonna say I was going to post it and I think I showed it to my massive delay that I showed it to my mate Jimmy who was the HR director of in Barstow I just left like hey man What do you think this is like yeah I'm thing is unnecessary and it was around was really that response to it was around plan B's and I was just like I'm not doing like plan B's if you have a plan B you're always fall back to the plan B plan B's are designed to base to be a safety net for when plan it doesn't work and normally if Plan A is ambitious enough and it's like you know extending you far enough then you the first fucking week month year of plan I won't fracking be easy it will be so so hard and you'll get lots of nose and a lot of pushback and the world just fucking kicking kicking you in the face The thing is, if you have a plan B you will default to the plan Bay so if you if plan it isn't working within four weeks you'll fucking you your pivot to plan B and plan B will be the thing that you end up doing I tell you honestly fucking hottest thing it's working out that plan I yeah
honestly it's like because what's your plan I don't you have to go yeah but we have got fluid plan eyes at the moment.
Well I think that this is the thing I've got maybe they're backing broad strokes of a plan Yeah, they they feelings the feelings of okay I want to be feel feel fulfilled I want to be like inspiring people I want to be making things that make a difference I want to I want to be making every day and sharing my perspective of the world and I want to do
I think that from an maybe an ego point of view of what it whatever it is I want to be known for something
I don't know what that is link it with the first things you said yeah well into making a difference for the stuff I mean just putting putting out there if you want to be known for its maybe it's ego but then just find the right things to be known for because everyone wants to be I think acknowledged and maybe being nine is acknowledged. Yeah,
I don't want to be I don't want to be famous
but i want to
i don't know i want to feel like that there's no fuel left in the tank that I'm not fucking half arcing life or that I don't ever like I don't feel like I aspire to be a billionaire or to have a big fucking house and all that sort of thing.
But I think that that's the
that's the challenge the challenge is working out okay, well what do you what do you want over watching watching Dan mace? Yeah is the dude helping Casey Neistat yeah he's videos
is he done any video since he's been working with Casey
to go I can probably just before this one about
rubbish and it's you know he's he's an incredible filmmaker he's really good he's editing styles amazing but he I heard him talking about
like he was saying that he felt that he was shit and that he stopped posting because he like and so there's a dude who's extremely talented there's millions of them out there that just a paralyzed Yeah, and won't do it. And why push through. And I gave this advice to someone recently around being in a video and and feeling not great about it once you come out of it. And I asked them So did you like he watched the back and I said no. I said, Well, how do you know that? Yeah, crap. Have you edited it? No. Didn't. How do you fucking know? Because I said I have done all of that. I still feel shitty about some videos that I've made. I still don't like how I come across and I'm negative and it doesn't translate
I mean Ed Sheeran good example. Dude went off like the writer when Mia for a while. What was he um, he just needed a break. I remember. I think it was like an 18 month period went off social media went off everything. And that's what I think what I'm really struggling with at the moment is
trying to work out what matters does Instagram like if if I'm a content creator, you know,
he's getting rid of Instagram the equivalent of a writer saying I don't deal with pins
you know, like I don't think it is like what are you a filmmaker
I'm a video first but maybe that's the thing maybe like part of it is
you know, going super fucking Dave but it's like we're not filmmakers. We're not video like we're just fucking people
and there is like there is a desire to simplify I'm definitely I don't know if it was with being with the minimalist boys or whatever, whatever it is by to have a central I'm like Oh, you know what I want like a few nice things I want like to be able to, you know, to live a life that's not fucking so reactionary. And also I think, I think we definitely need to get mountain T of Allah on the podcast because we've spoken about Matt a bunch of times, the guy made the film minimalism and has created his own YouTube channel doing his podcast and he isn't taking on any client work. And
when you slow down when you focus on those things, really wonder does does that does the conversation you had does it actually go away? I don't I think slowing down remove some distractions that the destruction of you and he's always going to be always there. Isn't that the fucked up thing though? Because that's what I've been thinking. I'd like to go you know, a bit dark it's like the fuck How can you can never really escape your own thoughts. And it's that I think that when you are trying to be ambitious, I definitely don't see myself as someone who's successful or anything like that. But it's the it's the struggle of like, have I only gotten here because I fucking slam myself and so you gotta fucking do it just or did you know is it despite all of that like if I was just a fact and give myself a break? I think it is you've got here because of all that you know that's just the way you've got here. Yeah,
let's do it. It's like the person who five functions and extreme stress applying the stress themselves Yeah,
it's just one way that they've found that works Yeah. Is million otherwise and says finding another way? I think I would love to. I think that a biography and I know there's been one written David Letterman interesting. Fucking dude went from, you know, the tonight show or whatever. It was like shoe. What is what's one hated anyway, with David Letterman. He like went fucking hermit for a while. Big fucking bead. What about like
Jim Carrey? Chris Rock? Chris Rock? Yeah, one of the comedians that we're talking about super successful people, though. Yeah, as in, but it's quite a treat. Yeah.
So they've had financial success. But what can we learn? Like, if we're aiming for
now what though? Because I think about Craig story of building this business,
you have to do it. And I think because there is a bunch of people who got to that point, the breaking point, but then sold out my day money. And I can actually if I can take a breath, maybe it's not the way is taking the breath. The light is that that is that what is that the end game because I don't think it is. I think that it's like the end game for me is not in having a heap of wealth or money or things like that, but but being connected for me, like the best feelings are when people email the show, and the people that are listening and they're getting something out of it. And that's, um,
I think that that's just a hard one to, you know,
as we as we reassess things like the Australian or the American dream of buying a home, you know, having, you know, 2.5 kids, whatever it is doing all of that stuff. 2.5 kids,
was a half kid, what the facts are,
hadn't worked. It's an average thing
if you think about it like that,
because all of that up for question. I think there's a lot of fucking uncertainty. People don't know what to do. Do I need to buy a house?
I don't feel the pressure to buy a house because I'm like, bringing, I am planning on having kids. But then we have conversations that people are like you Will you say you don't want a kid but you will and Fox with you?
It's you Josh. If you. I can't tell you
what to do. Yeah, it says it's listening. It's good podcast. I think listening back to it. I think you may hear that you haven't decided on a bunch of stuff. And that's the hard and that's the thing about deciding on plan. I yeah. And plan our plan is for you know, I think I'm getting closer. I hear you what now I can tell you what, right now. Two and a half years ago when I started the business, you remember when I was like, yeah, money in like a fucking dog with two dicks? Yeah, try capital calls me the dog has to do like the hump and everything. Not, you know, I wasn't having a 1111 girlfriend now. Wife. But I, I did. I had this. I didn't even know what the fact I was thinking. Yeah, but I'm clear and out. And so imagine two years from now. Probably be clearer. But it's no wonder that though. I wonder. I feel like I don't know whether we're like 70% to enlightenment or only 30% ago. I don't think we're getting to 100% but it's more just go I feel more confident now. To knuckle down and do and commit to something put my ideas out there because you look at people who are like a Jews land Yeah. inspiring to me for having an idea and putting it out there not the fact that he might make 20 million bucks from his his venture. Yeah, all that it
is a good example. We're having being sold close with Jules for a year working on a show with him. Yeah, he was extremely like he was in it. And he was like, in his head. And he was stressed and anxious and unsure
might when the person I was talking about when I'm saying functions on high stress. Yeah, it was juul. Yeah. And because that's, he's thinking of function. Yeah. And if that
the is that the way to leave? I wonder.
It's because I feel like he's like, he's thing is, that's like, that's how we operate. That's his operating system. Can you change your operating system? And should you should I know, he, I have spoken to him and without, you know, sharing personal stuff, I can share my observation. And there's definitely a shift in him working this stuff out. And it's and it's good for the better. I'm saying, because what happens work out a better quality of existing? Yeah, out of that stress place. So yeah,
the one thing I'll say with all of the, which I think is part of the problem I have is, I think it's plan I, he's may be too inward focused. It's too for what my plans have been, they've been to sort of personal and a bit selfish. And I think that Jules, you may Everyone has different people in their life. And I think that if we can reframe and maybe take some of that energy, and put some of that growth into the people around us. And if we can,
I think that takes a lot of pressure off us too, because we're only it's the equivalent of you're in a, you're in a factory, and we're one machine, but we leave with, you know, 234 other machines around us, and we're backing doing all of the energy and also the, whereas if we just like if we stop taking all the fucking power and energy and planning, we're putting all the plan into this one machine, what happens if we distribute inside? say, Okay, how can we actually give back that energy? How can we give energy to others? And because I think that that is the paradox, which is by giving energy, we actually receive more we ignite we allow ourselves Yeah,
the opportunity to fucking function in a better way. And then to do that you have to battle with all these feelings. Yeah, they come up, which is then another hurdle, right? But you definitely right, by looking out versus in Yeah, they no doubt it's rewarding. Yeah,
I think that's what I think that's what religion is good for. actually think that people who are in religions to have a faith Fuck, how much easier would have pay, if anything that happens within your business, you're like, God did this, this is God's calling, you know, this was whether it's good or bad. Like, I know, a bunch of people who, you know, are religious, especially inside, you know, the South, you know, the south end of the US, you know, the Bible Belt and stuff like that, who are, you know, any sort of success they've had is, it's just like, yeah, this is God's, you know, doing and I guess, if I can take takes a lot of the pressure off them. There's some fucking pushing the blame over. Yeah,
I mean, hyper acceptance as well as another way. Yeah. For people that aren't, maybe, you know, religious? Yeah, accepting that everything's happening, because you've made it happen. Yeah, everything around you all the situations and
I have come. Yeah, well, I heard on just a final thought there on the rich roll podcast, which is, if you like, fucking long conversations, you should listen to rich role. And he he had a guy who founded I think, the Nantucket project,
and he said something like, acceptance one why that acceptance can calm is just by being fed up. Yeah, yeah. Just by throwing everything at something and just realizing Fuck, like, I can't do it anymore. Yeah, like Ted is a and I feel like maybe for jewels for you. For I maybe that is the maybe that's the approach. Maybe we have to throw everything at it to realize that maybe that's not the answer. So daily talk show everyone. Thanks for listening to what I probably can describe as a bit of a psychological session. me I should go to a psychologist. If you've listened to this and you had any moments where you like you guys are going to totally wrong. Yeah.
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