#065 – Finding my birth mother | Ryan Jon/
- April 16, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday April 16 (Ep 65) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett. –
Ryan Jon popped in to Tommy’s studio today, so we decided to get him on the podcast. He’s a radio host in Perth, Western Australia with a powerful story of a search to find his birth Mum.
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Ryan’s Facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/RyanJonOnline/
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Tommy’s YouTube Channel – http://youtube.com/tommyjackett
Because I'm in Melbourne for a few days and that's what you do in Melbourne. Yeah, it's a daily talk show everyone Ryan, John's with us,
our second official guest
and Can I just add that I was walking past your studio like 10 minutes ago. And now here we are,
I think, come come say hi. And then I call Josh who was coming here to do a podcast and I said, let's get right on the podcast. And then Ryan walked in and said, we're doing a podcast and now we're here and I just started recording me crispy egg chat because I thought that was I stopped I normally ask the question what did you What did you have for breakfast is a way of a sanity check. That sounds
really bad stuff that's on the record. No, but I just sound like a wink at SPX now I just got the end end of it because I was like this You always
get this right I just I'm just pulling this thing up I've seen Ryan's put these keys in his wallet and then he had a channel seven paths were review bait have come from CHANNEL SEVEN
what's going on and CHANNEL SEVEN so I did the the daily edition the two o'clock like that you know how it goes from sunrise into like the after sunrise morning show but still sort of sunrise
yeah yeah and I have another afternoon what you're doing all the dailies today you've got this is probably a BS appear as though in terms of
audience base with me getting what channel seven's daily additions getting I said do you want to do an extra segment on the daily edition on seven? And I said no. I gotta do the daily talk show. Yeah,
that's it. So you've come from a wi what you what you do. What do you for people who don't know who is Ryan? JOHN? what's the what's the spiel we
is it's just like a Melbourne podcast. Or we
we put somebody listens in Japan like roughly have downloaded to 260 downloads in Japan. So speak directly to your Japanese audience. If you Timo a desk.
Oh he fucking awesome Japanese name was me. Ma'am. Can I please go to the toilet? Because I did the Japanese in primary school. And if I said that you like Oh, very good. And then I'll just leave and never come back. Yeah, that was classes. So yes, it is cool. I bought a
the East Coast of the US as well. Oh, great. Yeah, well, I've got some Facebook followers, then that's fine. But I'm, I live in Perth, back in Melbourne to see mom and dad and I got a week off work. So don't AFL eating crispy eggs doing all the things you do when you're in Melbourne? Yeah, he's, um,
he's being you know, modest in his explanation of what he does what she can I do it for him. Yeah. So how long have we known each other I or four years maybe. So we did breakfast radio not together but on the same network when we were whippersnappers. And I was in shepherd and you were Bumbry maybe. Yeah. Maybe that you run Toowoomba yeah so we had to travel hours away and runs down the mall and now he's on then the what is it well they call it Metro Metro you're
in the metro guys have worked in radio I think like I have to explain to like non radio people ask I like there's a an invisible line between Metro and not Metro and going from Canberra campers like one of the biggest not metros to Perth which is a smaller Metro but you know cross that invisible line with you know a lot of regional folks like acid cycle yeah holy grail is Newcastle was that still regionals regional okay castle Gold Coast camera so the bigger non metros yeah we'll answer
Ryan's made it he's now in Perth he's a full metrosexual
official title for Metro right here in a good bead. Thank you, Charles. It gets
but then we I helped you out with for a video that you're making. Which was I feel like you've probably just been banging on about this on the daily edition and the last CHANNEL SEVEN. So tell us quickly what the video is that we made. And that went fucking bananas. And it had nothing to do with me. I press record or you made it now you take all the credit you want. So basically
this way we will right now
sitting right now. I came in he would have been about Christmas for years ago. Yeah. And we went and had a coffee and I said oh, Tom, I think I want to do this video about I've never met my birth mother and a bit of a message to my birth mother. What do you think? And Tom said, let me do this. So it'll be a great idea. And let me take all the credit and
so we haven't seen fucking sense
Yes, actually. I do. Yes. Probably not
as much as I have from it. But
but so yeah, we made this Mother's Day video sort of saying I've never met my biological mom This is why Mother's Day is a bit weird for me. We filmed it the video that went nuts was like a three minute video but probably only took us about 710 minutes to yeah yeah we kind of just did it and then we interviewed my who I call mom it's my adoptive mom and it just became a whole story I just thought friends might have thought it's interesting but I didn't realize that most people you may know someone who's adopted oh yeah my sister or my cousin or yeah my girlfriend her soul you joke about it to your brother that
is that Do you find that offensive like my I think my brother was like you're adopted and yet he
said offensive no it's not offended but as I said the opposite so when my mom does something stupid I go you can tell I'm adopted because you're an idiot
yeah like that yeah I guess how people would probably find a fancy but that got how many views on Facebook alone Facebook about between four and 500 million what yeah yeah
How do you say that yeah because by the time we had the fox
by four to five weight four to 500 million yes he said that ride for to find out so I said boy so once the the uni lads in the lad Bibles of the world get ahold of it yeah Say Eliana. It's gone. And the thing the difference between YouTube and Facebook is? Yeah, because everyone goes Oh, he must have made heaps. I was like, zero dollars? zero sense? Yes. Nice. Will do nothing. If it had 400 million on YouTube. See you guys later. We gone to the bombs stop. Yeah. So did you at least find your mom after all of it? No. So what
was the so tell everyone? What was the what was that made it sound really like compressing about something came
in. So most of the things that happened in the comments were people saying you got to do an ancestry DNA test runs like you gotta try this thing. And I was like I say the ads, but I don't really know what it was. Yeah. And so I did it. And I thought being adopted. You have like a blank canvas. So even if I find out Oh, you're 60% Irish. And I've got a bit of a ginger beard. And I maybe I'm Scottish or something. I don't know. Even that might be interesting. So I did it. And I find out. Yep, 60% Irish, Scottish bit of the Italian and whatever. how good this did. You spit into a tube into a little thing. You send it off to ancestry. And then this lady who runs this TV show, it's like, I think it's called like, finding my roots. You know, like, it's like, Well, today, we're hanging out with this rapper. And we're gonna find out that he's great. Grandpa was in Africa. And some
it's not. We haven't with these rappers to find out how many routes he's had. Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's Tommy's new shop directly related. So she messaged you're going to
find my words. In addition, and then the lady goes, if you let me login to your ancestry page. I'll just, you know, snoop around safe account, find something. And then she sends me a text Two months later going if and biological dad cry, just like that. And I was like, Oh, my God, can I call you back? And she's like, it's actually a bit late in America. How about next Tuesday? And I was like, Are you joking?
And so the next day I called and she explained, yep. Found him in London. He was American guy backpacking. He's the dress if you want to write him a letter, you know, you do what? So what was her process of finding that info. So she logs in and find like a fourth or fifth cousin, something like a really distant relative. And then she just build out the family trays. And it turns out, my great grandma was one of 11 siblings. Wow. And the one who's my great grandma is the youngest. So she had to go good family tree down and then up to 11 times to shift to ask them. Would you reach out to people? I honestly don't know. Yeah, she just said that. It took months it was a Natal if genuine needle in a haystack. She just knows that she finally found everyone. And there it was. Because I've got the I did the 23andme one. Like using years ago. Yeah, he was like, 2011. And I've got 100 I think, Miss unread messages of like, relatives to be brothers and sisters, bro.
Well, your mom's one of how many 11 kids so your family would go far? Yeah.
One of 11. Yeah.
Good day. So this is why we brought you here. You family. Dad. Yeah. And I remember you telling me calling me and telling me this. You want
a second or third person I called. Thank you. Yeah. And I did then offer to fly to London and then rescind about offer what? No,
I but I think because you like, Okay, well, if I've documented this far, I may as well documented and I said you just do it in a way that feels the best to you. Because like, you know, you've never wanted to make this feel like you're trying to fucking milk it for it. It's got right. Yes. It's actually something that's pretty close to you. It's here. It's pretty serious for you. However, if you can leverage that one
500 million Yes. Without pissing in your pocket. Tommy I did was like, Tommy knows how to tell a story. And I and you were the one of the guys that said as soon as you let a TV company channel 1016 minutes, give you some money. It's it's their story. And you can say, Oh, can you edit it this way? And they might have they might know or and it just looks like any other story on the show. Where do you go if you just for film as much as you can? At least you've got the choice to tell your own story. You away and you still own your story. Yeah. And I just it felt we like I took some snippets on my phone. But it felt weird to turn up on someone's doorstep with a film crew. Yeah, if God especially
cuz Tommy would have brought in Obi
box and London this. Yeah. And it was a black t shirt by here. But this is really lame because Matthew McConaughey is made a lot of terrible movies. But I kept having flashbacks to like Ed TV. You know, he's like that original. I don't watch movie. So I can't relate. But please tell us now. Watch movies. No,
I know about when you said
focus on that we could bring up every time he hasn't seen the matrix. How the fact haven't seen the magic. pretty awful though.
If you haven't seen the matrix your fat Anyways, let's Ed TV is met McConaughey. He's the main character in this movie. And it's sort of a movie about this guy who essentially it's like the first reality show. Yeah, someone goes well, why don't we just fill in this guy 24 seven and see what happens. And and as was it based on because there's that is a Josh 2.0. There's that dude in New York who set up heaps of cameras? I think in the early 2000s, which I ended, I think anyway. No, you clearly don't know. I think I know. But yeah,
there was there was a documentary I think was called Josh to point out where literally the guy I was pre it was actually pretty big brother. So what does even Matthew McConaughey is he's the one without the shirt. Yeah, yeah.
But he's a description. He's now like a season after he's
back in the masculine. I was a fan. So anyway, so he so you felt like you were
in that film? What sounds like the bad side of that film. Because it ends with all these cameras following them around that's personal moment. And I just meant that's not for me. Thanks. I think I don't really want that. Because, like you were saying to me, like it is a great story. And I want to tell it to people because I think it's a great story to share. But also it's not I don't want the hype. And the people in the know when someone's watching you made a family member the first on be kind of like just very conscious that they'd be cameras out. rather just be in that moment, I guess. So what was that experience like? So you went to London, went to London flew over. And we spoke on the phone once for about an hour. And there's lots of emails back and forth. And it was when we met in person who was actually very underwhelming, and I mean that in the nicest way possible, because it would have just looked like two guys catching up for coffee. Like if you had seen us in the cafe back. I had two other guys can we just have done what it was more of a crisis this Yeah, yeah, cuz, cuz he's alive on the whole thing. Well, he had no idea existed. So he was just like, and it was seriously like, a celebration. Like, how cool is this, and I would be different if I met my birth mother, because, you know, she had been in her stomach bit more time to make the decisions and she wouldn't know this whole time, so it'd be more emotional. And I feel like she did a lot for me. Like, she gave me this great life where he literally was just traveling and hooked up with a chick one time. So it was just, he was just Tommy look slightly. He's like, Really? That's how it happens. Yeah.
And you dropped him a letter or something. I wrote him a letter because he doesn't have Facebook. Yeah.
And I just thought I a fan. So his wife and his kids got Facebook. And I just thought, I can't go through the kids or the wife because he could have already been married. I'm like, I don't know the story. So yeah. So you were sort of given your biological dad a bit of fucking love band. Like, bro, I've got your back. I'm going to go around direct. Don't want to set the missus. What. Yeah, sort of. But I guess because you don't know the story. And you don't want to, like ruin his family. Like it's so I kind of which is very like he had to sign for it. And the registered post and whatever. It turns out that registered post in London means nothing, because he wasn't home. And they just gave it to the neighbor. Yeah, yeah. And then the naval lost it. And then he went over like a week later. And they're like, oh, Sir, let it for me.
And I had a few bees the next day. And one of the kids was like, Oh, what's this? And that was the lead. So it almost didn't arrive. I mean, there's the video. Yeah, the laser on the counter. Just so much going around it. Now. It's touched yet, but writing the letter was the hardest bit because Josh, how would you How would you stop that? Let us What are your What's your name? Yeah,
good question. I got
a daily talks.
Now you would you would want to give it like, it's his desire to give as much context as possible as an it's like,
Yes, I had to do what was the opening line? I kind of said,
well, hang on. Now. I'm going to be selfish and cyber. I think. Like, maybe
it depends. Do you go for dramatic effect? Well, that was the thing. I was like. I don't want to come on too strong. But I also want to give enough context so it doesn't look scam me. What about like, I wouldn't let me long laughs on Oh, I can. And the Nigerian bank getting them. And it's fucking annoying. Yeah. Stop trying to scam me. Yeah. Hi. So I think God, right, like, safe. whose name was Simon? Yep. Let's say hi, Simon. I think that you are my dad.
You're strong. You're strong.
So I think it was like, my name is Ron. I was born on the 28th of June 1997. Oh, I know if then. That's fact. Anyone sends that and says that. And I said, Oh, and it's happening. I think we may have a connection. We might be related. Oh, that's tough. And I I didn't say the word five of the whole thing. I said my birth mother's name is Julie. And I believe that you guys met each other a few times traveling through Melbourne. And he said it was the birth date where he literally calculated you know that minus nine months equals about here. Yep, I was in that window. Yeah, well, maybe this is real. Yeah, I did a lot cooler than I did. I know, it took me a week to think about it. Because I originally in my mind my whole life when I kind of thought what this might be like, I always just assumed I would just knock on the door and say, hi. Yeah, and then everyone's like, you can't
do that. Yeah, a bit. And it was a good price you probably met took the best approach. Yeah,
well, it's like the opposite of Star Wars and Star Wars
movie or light it okay. Sorry. installs is a fact. Also. Spoiler alert. There's a famous saying like I
haven't since I was a but I still know that one. Yeah. And then but I thought do I do the opposite? And it's like Hello. You are my phone?
I feel like I'm towels cab a voice recording. Yeah, their respect those
you could have done a little video to him, but maybe too strong. I like the idea didn't have Facebook. So I sent a physical piece of paper to home address. Did you send him a photo of yourself? No. But I said that he is my like Facebook account. Here's a video of its own up. It's blown stories. Okay. He is one of the creepy things. There's so many. So he has two sons lost my half brothers. Yeah. And one of the half brothers girlfriends. They liked leave together. They've been together for years. She was already a fan of the Facebook page. And and what yours watch the videos not knowing. And that's the brother that looks really locked me. So she was watching this guy going, Oh, what a great story in Australia. And like, whatever. Not knowing that the person that's their bra.
What was going through your mind throughout this whole like, actually your whole life? Yep.
What do you think about? Like, what? How much of a How much is it on your mind? How much is it part of your identity? Well, it definitely wasn't part of like identity into like, now I go and talk on podcasts and take a bad it to recently. But each just on Mother's Day. Birthday. Christmas. It's always like, you know, wonder what, what they're doing. Yeah. And, you know, would they be having the same with a actually, Mother's Day would come around. And the birth mom would be like, Oh, I wonder what he's up to. And how he so it's always just sort of there. But the main thing for me was that probably six months before I spoke with Tommy and said Are we might make this video I was sick. And like it was nothing bad. But there's only so many times a doctor goes or do you have any history of this? And you go Monday? Yeah. Before you start getting to be curious. And then like, and you get asked that question over and over and they go, usually, it's like, it'll be totally fine. As long as you don't have this new family. Yeah, that too. Yeah. And you go maybe yada, yada. Yeah. And what? Did you serious? Yeah. Where did the end with your mama? Where is it at the moment, like a biological while he this could be a scoop for the daily talk show. This is big. We'll get this one out today. Go on. Alright, so what time we were, what is what's like that? It's 3:33pm in Melbourne, in Melbourne. Tomorrow morning. At 815. I'm going in to births deaths and marriages. Victoria because they're all state based departments. And I was born in Victoria and I'm getting my original birth certificate, which will have my birth mom's full name, which I don't know at this stage. Right. So your your biological dad didn't even know her for name. No.
fun night. He so he they were together just that one time. And here I am. Yeah. And he said that he's like, I just caught a big kitty cat
first name. And cuz she was like them a manager someplace. And he was just doing casual cash jobs as you do when you're traveling or whatever. But yeah, like, even when he knew the first name. He was. It's kind of a fish. But I was like, Hey, I know. Tommy jacket. I know what it's likely gossip, travel
and get it done. Exactly. Yeah, it's just another thing about me. It's good. Finding me as a sick. Yes.
But hey. Well, you ask yourself in check.
But yeah, so he just knew a first name and just remembered a lot. But yeah, again, it wouldn't be any different to think of someone you met 30 years ago when you were traveling. You like I remember that guy. Nice. Yeah. But so tomorrow, get a first name, last name, address and
say the hospital. Do you know what hospital you're born? It just says on my passport. This is
real weird. So you have like, which is a from? Yeah,
it says Mooney pants. Yeah. So you Yeah, so minds is Clayton? Because it says, Where were you born? Yeah,
Clayton was in Toronto, Mooney ponds. And that's literally all I know. Because that's right. So she's from Melbourne. Yeah, that's why I have to come to Melbourne to go to America.
fucking crazy. That is, like the story unraveled, but it's not even close to being anyway. nia. I was born in Mount wife like, Guys before you
try not to make it about me. But it was my wife. Like, now what do you are you going to all have one thing tell Josh about the shoulder, the fucking your dad. So this is not okay. So
he was I always knew because I had this letter from like, the social worker council work or whatever. And it's like, here's some facts about your mom. She was this tall. She had blue eyes and here's what she remembers about your dad. And and and said he was lacrosse player. So I always grew up knowing he was like an athlete or something. And I said to him, when I met, why did you start playing lacrosse? And he said, or for some reason. I just always had the stodgy left shoulder and I had to get surgeries. And he's sort of at that stage was like, I'm not that good. I'm getting surgeries. Like, I think I'm done here. And he shows me the scar on his left shoulder. And I just use myself laughing in the cafe because it's exactly the same as the sky I left shoulder
science guys sorry that would be like a genetic like oh just dance show you usually get
should he showed us. But usually like when someone play sport and dislocate the show, like a football player. They get crunched in a tackle. It's like impact and have fun. Of course, you're gonna break each other. Yeah, so me. And the same as him. As it turns out, it was just there was a bit loose. I played volleyball and non contact sports, you just got to hit and one day Just you follow through it kind of fast. And it's one of those ones where you go to hospital and, and it's like, so what happened then? You like I just saw how many times have you just did you just look at your shoulder? I couldn't even tell you. fact, I remember the basketball stadium. Gross. You'd be
so much fun. And then it's just like, someone's on the ground. It's like, what's it was like the biggest feel in the office next door all of a sudden. Ah, me just receiving desk a gross ambulance at the shade up. Thank you.
It's actually a mom.
So um. Yeah. So
I've had three reconstructions. And that's the the scars and I stopped playing volleyball for that reason. Imagine if it dies show on whatever. CHANNEL SEVEN. We're making these gags that way. I would not get away with it. direction. They do saw that. Not all like, would they get away with the public? You'll know with you. They wouldn't have the balls to do it. Now. I should. And that's why TV is dying. Yeah.
And the daily Show's over. Yeah.
Thank you. sean.com. We got the.com, which is great. Okay, that is a bit so I just want to go back to the
so how, how does your adopted parents how did they end up with you? So my mom and dad got married when mom was 21 and tried to have kids unsuccessful IV F. Twice unsuccessful, which both financially and physically is like a big toll on people I hear. I didn't know much about this. And you probably found that when I didn't tell me when we did the interview with mom. And so she was 33 when she got me. So you kind of go, okay. But then you think of she that's 12 years trying to have kids and moms. Like I just wanted to be a mom. Yeah. And so there was nothing wrong with her or dad per se, that just didn't match or just wasn't happening. There was no real reason. And then mom submits the papers. I think she said about two years. Just didn't hear back. And then the phone rings and they're like, yep, nice. 10 weeks. I'll pick him up tonight. This afternoon. Fact. Yeah. So mom has to call up working. Go. Ah, can I have maternity leave? And they go Oh, sure. When he expecting she has all like as of today. And they're like, but you're not
sure. And so just takes a year's maternity leave. Just not pregnant. Just see you later. So when I get a bit of
a trip back then as well. Yeah.
So I think they came to see me that afternoon at the login.
So at this point, like an orphanage or a foster home situation. And so I was 10 weeks old. They came over like, met me. And then it was like, go home. Get the house ready. I'm coming over tomorrow morning. Obviously, I'm not. I didn't say I'm
25 ice cream. Ready? Yeah. This kid from fucking movie. Yeah.
And has your parents view on IDF? Have you spoken to them about it? And now that they've obviously gone down this path?
Would they have any recommendations for people who are struggling to to have I'm not really I haven't really asked that question. I guess it's like a personal thing. And I think adoption is and then when you say last resort, it sounds like it's a bad thing. But obviously you try to have conceive naturally. I was why that like, because if I find like interesting, right? It costs like a lot of fucking money. Yeah, there's like a bunch of kids who, for whatever circumstances don't have the support network that that would need, like brain I've spoken about if we would have kids we would adopt just because it seems like there's enough fucking kids in the world. Yeah. Not Not enough parents. Yeah. Well, when I was up for adoption in the state of Victoria, and it's a whole other talk topic, like, you know, what, if kids from countries that overpopulated and whatnot, but in Victoria, there were 2000 couples who couldn't have kids, and we're wanting to adopt, so 2000 couples going, please, can we have a child and there was myself and 15 other babies that year, so 16 kids for 2000 contacts. So it's over. So there's, I've no idea what it is now. But that was the 97 Yeah, yeah. Um, but again, you you've got same line. Well, obviously, you haven't actually had the same line line the movie Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Mo VI, he may have seen it yet.
Mo VI. I was, yes, Australia. And basically, this guy gets lost in India. And they send him to Tasmania. And he goes up you know, he's like an Indian Child. So that's like a whole new ballgame of Do you take a child out of their culture or different for me because I was Amanda Mooney pawns. Yeah, who really wants to help? I'm not the biggest of cultural changes, you wouldn't have thought and what what? What do you remember when you're a kid? Yes. With a certain things that you would think or it's like, I better be behave because I'm fucking the adopt, like, Is there any things that you think about
as an adopted kid? Which I guess you naturally would anyway? But can you like identify them now? Yes. So
I didn't really realize this is the thing probably until recently that I was always thought that my birth mom had given so given up so much me to sacrifice their body like you. It's probably understandable that they did, like they feel guilt and there's like, all this bad stuff they go through. And I always just thought the least I can do is like, live a great life. So she thinks are it was worth the trouble. Yeah. And so I guess that's like
turns out a lot of adoptees, a lot of overachievers. They feel like they got something I can Steve Jobs was. He dumped it? Yeah.
Really? Yeah. It's like a conflict. I'm gonna fuck it up. If I say ship, but now he was adopted. Yeah.
So not that they would think this, but is it under a mask? I don't know. I haven't really talked about this often. Is it understandable to think if someone did so much to give me a life
that would they be disappointed go, I sacrificed all this and you turned out to be a dropkick like Yeah, well, I think that there's probably a heightened like having parents parents do that. Yeah, you've essentially like doubled the amount of parents you have. Yeah,
so you've got like you feel double the responsibility because you've got the initial thing and then you've got like people who have then said it's almost like investors cut your hair your initial investors and they can fucking invest in you again and feeling the pressure Yep, yep. But um, yeah, super. And so how much of it was it communicated when you were a kid like was it kept under wraps in school did you feel comfortable talking about it? Yeah always
felt comfortable talking about it but it just doesn't come up in conversation that much but you do like looking back notice that no one ever says so one of my best mates Dave great volleyball player he's brought the mark is a great volleyball player and you save them play and you got the Parsons boys they've both got that right you know and they look like that dad who sold applies the same way when he plays socially and stuff and there's like Like father like son oh oh geez those paths and boys I love that right arm down the line shot or whatever but you just never have that getting great visuals he by the way pass in Boise as possible as absolute rigs get them in here but you just don't have any of that and then you know when you say a baby and you come around and you go it's got mom's eyes yeah that's nice and like mom's why that's why I'm a white guy but even mom says are you just didn't look like a product of mine yeah and so people wouldn't come up in the straight and say that sort of stuff which is not offensive but it just over the years you just noticed that you don't have that chat from
from recording those interviews with you and your mom
your adopt a mom adoptive mom? Mom? Yeah. Like,
I think we'd like Josh is questions. I thought those before. And then I was surprised that you it's not like a movie for you. Like what I'm adopted? Yeah. Like,
I remember you telling me was like, you just work it out. And then it's your life. And so we don't know any different if I said to you, so. Josh, when you decide to breathe in the morning. Yeah. And you're like, Oh, I'd never even thought that I wake up and brave. You just happens. Because that's what it is. Because I was convinced that you would have been like, that's my mom calling now. shall put on last
Hey, Mom. You live on a podcast?
Daily talk show. Daily talk show big in Japan
is anything you'd like to say to the people of shepherd and in Japan
actually, off the gods? gods? How long are you gonna be here? Another 10 minutes? 10 minutes. And then I drive home from calling to alpha.
If you were to sum up adoption in three words, what would you say?
Good. Good. Good. Good. How do you use Do you use that much on the on the show? Um, sometimes because she lock is a bit of a rat bag and funny and loves to, like, sort of throw me under the bus. Which I guess in commercial radio, it's just a one material. Yeah,
she's a legend. Yes. Yeah,
she's really lovely. And she she was on the project talking about the adoption story the other day, and, and I actually hate it because everyone watches the stories about my mom and go to guide your mom. And my
Mate. Or I met heads monster, let's
because I've been using your so we had a chat and it was around the audience that you have built, but might not necessarily have been the audience you wanted to build, not the year. I don't think you don't seem like you're annoyed about building it. But tell us about from all of this stuff you're tapping. Yeah. So
prior to this, I work in commercial radio. So you make a couple of videos here and there to like, extend the radio show, if you will. And then I found not a niche. But I just I personally like going and doing Vox pops and talking to people on the streets. And then one time I decided to do it at 3am in the morning when everyone's blind now the front of nightclubs and us their opinions on politics. And I went off and I was like, This is crying. I was like, Oh, this is fun. And, and I was in camera. So a lot of people in Canberra, like, I know that guy, or they've got political opinions and stuff. And so the page is getting these little cult following in camera. And then suddenly, you get 100,000 moms from Middle America who between the age of 45 and 60 invested in your story. And then I call this is so great. What's the next update? And you're like, oh, no updates yet. But, um, but he's a dick joke. He's pinging off his brain talking about politics. And they're like, Oh, I don't, this is a bit rude. I don't, I don't like this. And then the people in Canberra lock. Just tell
us a tip jar
crying about your mom.
Sorry. Now. It's, it's like you're saying
you're adopted. Mom's amazing. Get more. Yeah, she's great.
If only you could talk about the adoption of three. I am with people and just keep everyone happy at the same time. That would be fantastic. But it is weird when you get a big audience that you want to respect and who are interested in your story. But it might not be well, for instance, if I say, Hey, guys on my radio show tomorrow, this is what we're talking about 98% of people on my Facebook page. So 200,000 people go, I will wait. not impressed. So we can't hear it. So we don't care. So do you regret going publicly with any of this stuff? Or what's been the lessons? What wouldn't regret it? Because it was literally people in the comments saying you should do an ancestry DNA test. So there's so many of those tipping point moments where you go, if I didn't post this video, I wouldn't have met my birth father and my half brothers, unlike. So any, any kind of things that I go on? Jeez, I wish I didn't share that. You go. Well, if you didn't share any of it, you would never met any of them. So do you
think there's truth in you don't choose your audience. Your audience chooses you. And I know it's like you're doing a building show. Obviously, you're choosing your type of content or a makeup show you when you just a personality or like entertainer or even a filmmaker. Yeah, it's like we could make some sort of film about race. And then you become the rice guy. Yeah.
Have you got you guys are a little. I'm Austin. You've had
him on your play. Austin Klay on I interviewed Yeah, listen
to that podcast. They did
early on the job. Like, I mean, that was I did 10 episodes
that podcast. Yeah. Josh speaking at one of these things, was a lot of people spend a lot of time going, who am I? What sort of stuff to either who's my audience? And then I think he wrote something with it goes if you just do the stuff that you're passionate about who you are, will reveal itself in time, instead of trying to, I think where they've even had chatter that because Tommy, you will I will. I used to be a PT, but I don't want to be that that fitness guy anymore? And do I do it runs a travel blogger or makeup person, then a lot of people probably have that thought of what do I do? What do I do? And you just think, well, if you just do what comes naturally to you, then your people will find you. Well, what I thought was interesting, I was looking at Christian house I did a little video on Christian how a while ago,
who's a success? What would you call successful personality, online does videos, all that sort of thing. And I was looking at the comments. And one of the main comment, which was really nice thing to say, but I think it sort of revealed what audiences are like, which was don't ever change Christian don't ever change. And I thought that was interesting, because as humans, we naturally like progress and change. Yeah,
he has a great actor. And I think the risk of that is that like, obviously, it's an extended version of himself. button. People go on. Do I have to keep being flamboyant you have to God for people to like me, and a lot of people have a lot of trouble with that. Yeah. And so I think a lot of times a lot of good money out of it. A lot of people go all I make jokes about myself being fat. Does that mean I can't lose weight now because they weren't locked me anymore? Yeah, I mean, it's a minefield out there. Yeah.
And I think I it's even
Casey Neistat has talked about it to on his
blog change and how people get Yeah, people were funny about change. And there you have
people, you know, the day that someone subscribes to you, they've almost cemented what they expect. Yeah, and that's really hard. So it's hard for the daily talk show.
If we were all of a sudden saying we're a gardening show or something like that might be a bit of a hard sell. But I think that this authentic content which is we're actually not nourishing we're just talking about life then people have probably more willing to go on that journey. Yeah, well, some of my bosses have said to me this was more radio but it's like if people who are subscribing to your a similar age they evolve as you do. And so I've turned 30 last year and so am I still like taking pills and going to festivals like I'm 19 I'm really yeah but if I people have followed me five years ago we might have been putting together and now I'm doing content about shit Should I become a dad or should I not become a dad and I keep trying to tell myself that the same people who would do in the light not stuff years ago they've got older themselves and they're now going oh shit I've actually got to start thinking about am I having a kitty you got to evolve you know I don't want to be that 48 year old guy doing a night show talking about the whoever the five sauce is of the day I think you gotta grow up with the audience yeah and what was the what has has it been like going to Perth How long have you been there for now as the end of last year so I'm still real new so running one through surveys in okay so on a survey happens whatever for people who don't know radio every half yeah I'm new to it as well as an have been right or surveyed or rated as much as we are yet and so you're on billboards and stuff like that like described was it was it was that we had bosses bus stops taxis it was saying why that in Canberra as little been bashing because my friends on
impressed by it like a with a group of friends I don't think any of them listen to commercial radio and so it's not like I go home and I get to be on the radio every day for me it's like if you make some good content you're proud of then it's a tick and if you make an awful show then it's across yeah there's no kind of over at least I'm on a billboard because that's actually more embarrassing than anything you know so what do you think about then like what's a day to day for you like what's the thing that's on your mind the most
well you guys been content guys understand that you
you only have a one second away from a great idea so you're always a little bit you say something going on that are there it's not a story about that or was it so you always a little bit on yeah but then I say to my mate to a trainees and digging and lifting heavy things you never actually physically working that hard either yeah him and what do you think of your audience like how do you position when you're instead of a mainstream markers you know for for metro station How do you position audience in your head we'll see I'm a bit like anti commercial radio as much as that sounds I think the audience's is a lot smarter than I think commercial radio stations give them credit for and you don't have to dumb things down and people it doesn't have to be a bone tissue or an obvious joke people want to hear an interesting story The any and what I didn't understand about my adoption stories one of the buses of like, well everyone's got a mom it really relates to everyone and you don't have to have a twist or an angle you just tell your story and people will think it's fascinating and so for me I'm like trying to make it interesting and give them credit and respect their intelligence then you won't be the zing
zing as a guide dog that would be my stick the daily talk show everyone we better let you go so you can get the car back to your mom so she can get the flowers before the shop closes yeah
I think I've do appreciate that on Bob had was a poker so cuz usually coming in for catch up anyway, I haven't been to the new sense of decorated this place. And I was driving past and I thought I'll just come and say Good day. And here we are. Episode Number 65.
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