#479 – The Gift Guy/
- October 8, 2019
Today, our mate Basil sits in on the chat as we talk about love languages, working for free, and what we did 1 year ago today!
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Love Languages
– Basil’s last name
– Growing up in Bendigo
– Studying in Canada
– Working for free
– Journalism and documentaries
– Being asked for resume and credentials
– What we did 1 year ago today
– Basil’s biggest learning from interviews and podcasts
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It's the daily Talk Show episode. 479. What's happening guys? What's going on? Look not much. I just had a delicious bowl. I low carb bone,
not cooked by you cook by Jim. Yeah. Jimmy Graham.
Yeah, not not sponsored now also joined today, basil. What's going on my la guys just off off camera right now sort of Yeah. Well it's it used to be a couch mic setup. Yeah but the we can't reach headphones to the couch.
Yeah, yeah. And I did realise it's weird that we just didn't put you in in the middle. That's right, because we used to have deal sitting there all the time. Yeah. And deal just felt like he had to sit there because he was being disciplined for something he'd done. Yeah, he'd be taking notes whereas you've done nothing but help this show. You brought fat Friday's brownies once Yeah. When we had Zoe foster black. Amazing By the way,
I didn't make them so no credit, but you bought them?
Actually, you did over eats them to your joint Did
you really did the day before? Because they weren't going to be open in time. So
there's some serious thought that goes into?
Yeah, well, I tried.
What's the hell is it like a you to go out of your way of like, I'm going to do nice things for people. Yeah,
yeah. It is like it really is like it's a it's a big kind of cold tenant of mine. huge value.
language level. Yeah. Have you
heard that before the five love languages and into self out? It's crazy. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. So you're a gifts.
gifts. gifts. Yeah, I am. I am a gift giver. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But more like, it doesn't have to be gift. Like it can just be as long as it's thoughtful. But usually that's doing something which is I guess a bit of a gift. Maybe that's just your time or so the thing with love languages. Does that mean that that's the love language that like should we be giving you gifts as well as your love language? Different the one that you want to receive? Does that make sense? It is I'm not. Yeah, that is a great question. It they don't always line up for some people that they do. But for other people. Yeah, they don't. I don't I don't think so. I think yeah, I mean, he doesn't love me gifts. I think I think that is the key. I don't need like a heap of quality time. Like that's another one. I think that I
quality times I've arrived it.
Yeah, but no, in general. It's your love language necessarily, necessarily isn't the one
that is on the other side. I said, 97 what do you think your love languages,
probably words of affirmation and the physical touch one.
So the Amazon gift card.
Because we didn't know unless a word of affirmation is $100
didn't really put enough effort into the words for me, it
wasn't really a cat. It was just the whole
thing was, was it the whole thing was a card. I always wanted.
And it had the amount. And so it was we outsource they put I mean, this is $100
for Amazon put like it the two and like the from you can write that down. But they feels like this. This they must be in the industry. Because if you go to like I was posting stuff, I always imagine you know how you see like calculators and just random gifts. I've always like told a storey that it's like the dad who like they've separated from their partner, but like it's the kids birthday. And they like live in Melbourne and the kids in like is growing up in Sydney. And so the dad just goes to all his posts and buys whatever's there.
Oh, yeah. I mean, but that's the thing about this occasions like Christmas or birthdays is you you end up thinking that I just have to give a gift. And then sometimes that that's all the thought is is lost. Um, so like my dad doesn't give a shit about GIFs I mean, yeah, I remember giving receiving them. He's the way he shows Love is like spending time helping us. And so he'll show it. Yeah, I mean, building this fucking wall. Like he spent a heap of time with me chopping up this behind us. And what they might do it they
that I know you there on the day, but it was all these days beforehand, like human eye. But here's the thing. We ended up driving around together, driving through backstreets of, like industrial areas, hunting down. ran like dumped. What do you call it like? pallets which we then flung onto the back of his truck.
I've seen so many pallets since we have like move. Oh, yeah, if you everyone's giving away pellets
This is the hard there every way but it's super hard to end up days a high quality
these specific ones Yeah, yeah. Anyway,
they look they look great takes
was actually the blue ones
That was how they came in the power elite telescope.
Yeah, that's just so
what came first the palette colour or our logo, the palette colour
palette colour just happened that way. And then deal. Yeah, created the logo. And then I got back one day and you decide to go with a blue thing. And it was every colour. fucking happy about that.
So we're talking about names. So I was trying to get your last name right.
Yeah, Jared. Oh, yeah. And then you got it right. And you're saying Well, that's actually not last name. No, I mean, no, no, not for tax purposes. It's not what does that mean? Just like on Facebook and stuff? Because I haven't pretty weird name being basil.
How did that come about? How did you end up with the name? basil.
Yeah. So my parents aren't hippies like most people think I get a lot of like has a Sister Rosemary.
She's still living in Byron Bay.
State some time.
it's my parents are super Catholic. So named after St. Basil the Great which is a bit lanky St. Basil the Great like it's a full title. Yeah. And then it's not the full title isn't in your name is a? No, no.
that's very good. No, so my, my, my, like, My last name is Curtis. I'm basil Curtis. I grew up as basil Curtis. And then this thing called Facebook came along out of it. And I was
on Instagram, social media. Where the same guy
and so when Facebook came around, yeah. Why did you decide? Because I always wonder about this. Unless you're a school teacher.
Yeah. Well, that was even a thing that people were like trying to hide it. I think I was the only like basil Curtis on there. So I guess I was trying to hide it as well. But I just wanted to have like a, you know, a fun, unique experience and not kind of be so tangible in everything.
I think is it powerful not embezzle Curtis.
It's not. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, I remember. It was it was it was weird. I got a I got a Christmas card from a friend overseas. And so they had only met me overseas. And so it rocks up to my house. I grew up in Indigo. So mom picks it up, and it's basil Jared. And she's like, are you? Are you ashamed of their last name? And I was like, Oh, Mom. No, it's not that it's just, that's just what I go by. And so Facebook turned into Instagram. And that turned into everything. So Ryan, john, who's been on the show many times Yeah, he's not Ryan. JOHN.
Really? was only surname. Brian Dunn is the surname UNN. Yeah, like Ryan Dan from what's it called jackass? He was a part of jackass But anyway, he's Yeah, I was so confused
about all the time about you Tommy jack
it It sounds like it definitely does. I've heard all the jokes. So
I mean, Craig Bruce used it in the you
in which way try to deconstruct it because you and I were doing the interview so I took that is next time don't invite
yeah the the the thing of the consideration for the Sona My surname is having kids and then what what the kids cold you know like is now there's like river it's a cute name but river jacket what's wrong with river jacket? Oh like rivers and Brian Blue Ivy you know by your jacket river jacket river jacket. This just combined it with last but my brothers Anthony Michael and my myself Thomas. We're alive patriots science Catholic mom like that.
Yeah, so I think getting some sort of caveat because my grandpa was very Catholic. And like I think I got like some form of key ring that said what Joshua? Oh yeah. He Josh was something
yeah they quite nice. My mom usually gives me that there's somewhere I've got cards I can meet like how how Catholic were your parents like
a like mass every Sunday be very involved in the community like nice deal like mom cleans the church every week dad does all the gardening and stuff and then in prayer groups and all that stuff so like the there in Did you were in
there and fully committed so when you because when my Nana died there were eight priests or like so she was legit. I was like big deal at all at the front or whatever. I know. I did because I What did
you What was it? What was the connection? Like just
always they're always doing she wants she got like a one of those like community awards or whatever on Australia Day. Some shit. Yeah, but she, but when she died and I met the print, like the main priest, like I was so not involved in all the church stuff. I didn't have no like, GC hand. Nobody I didn't know what the fuck are
you really meant? Yeah. No, I didn't. I didn't know whether if I should have like, you know, whatever.
did you do like the Sunday school and stuff? I was an altar boy. Yeah, what is it? What's the job of an altar? Boy?
I'm just a lackey still run a runner for the price. That's what a
picture on the ground Gaddafi got the wine all sorted? And then just you know, I need the book. Bring the book over. Yeah, I put it up. hold hold it, you know, because why would you use a stand when you can use a 12 years?
expand your biceps?
And so did you. Are you still religious today?
Yeah. Now, so pretty much did like until I was 18. I was 18 right at the end of December at the end of school and then just special occasions. Just I just go for mom and dad now just eat at Christmas time Easter. Yeah, keep them happy. Just to mostly see like, a lot of the big families like I'm from a big family and you know, I can I can name off like the casings and the Mars and stuff that you'll see the whole family back at Christmas time and stuff. So that's Yeah, that's, that's nice. But
I mean, I find out there's a lot of things.
So what was that, like a rule set by your parents where you can work your own shit out when you're writing?
No, it was very, it was pretty unspoken. And by that I'm the youngest of five. But by that stage, I was at home by myself. So it was just me sorting it out. And a lot of the times I mama dad would go to like 730 I like Sunday morning and I'd be having huge nights on Saturday by putting so I'd be rocking out. Yeah, just just just sipping on holy water. Thank you very much. Just in the back seat. Right at the back of the church. You'd still
have to go I'd still Yeah, we'll have to
go. I yeah. I felt obliged to God. Grant
And it was always just like
yeah, just the just the it did make my parents happy to do to go and I know that they're not they're not super pumped that that that i dot anymore. But yeah, they've always been like really respecting, like,
yeah. It's interesting. I mean, for for people that aren't practising a religion. I wonder what that new thing that you have with the children that you really want the one of them to do? What is it now? Yeah, my PC not a blogger.
Quite a religion is that?
What is it like you just take out the religion says community, maybe it's football. Maybe it's smaller. So it's the community element. is lovely in, in religion.
I remember being pissed as a kid that I like, didn't get a bar mitzvah or, like, Is it the comedian? What's the cousins did that and I just started thinking, getting cash and stuff. Why don't I get it's like Josh, he say you never want to go to church. I'm like, Yeah,
I want to do that thing. The mitzvahs
were unbelievable. Like I grew up Catholic and having going to a school like Wesley, we're a bunch of Jews and they had, you know, they Bar Mitzvah when now Thursday. The place is like one kid headed at the Melbourne museum. I just remember like, it was more elaborate than me wedding, which wasn't hard. But this huge, long table like I'm talking 40 metres of table and chairs a facade. And in the middle was just doughnuts. Colour red, just red donuts. And so we're just getting in there. Getting that same one. Mike, my friend who he was my best man at the time. He had diabetes still does the bag calm where you need to inject and they're all pretty bad. That more bad if you need a insulin dependent, versus the other one you can sort out with diet.
The funny thing is I have managed in my life to be annoyed that I met like not religious but also even diabetic because I would always be jealous of the the jelly beans.
them all the time. Yeah. Not. So this is back when you like a lot of them have pumps now. You can just it regulates your insulin via this little machine that used to disrupt your leg, but we would actually inject my friend. And so we thought it was hilarious. Being at this really extravagant Bar Mitzvah, where we're drawing back the needle in the toilet. This guy walks in his walks like he thought we were in private school potty, just a bit of heroin from some 13 year old.
Yeah, I mean, growing up in bendy garb.
yes, we grew up right. Yeah, yep. So today.
How old am I now? 29 That's it. 29 I
love GIFs What do you love giving gifts? gifts? What? You kidding me? was last gift he gave last gift? I got a good round. I'm just I'm talking for other people. I don't think you're a gift God,
I tell him or at night when have you
been around $1,000 worth of books and I give them out?
That's because you heard Tim Ferriss bloody say you should give
I think I'm not necessarily good at thinking of stuff napping
it comes so naturally the people who they love what if it was
my love language,
then I'm quality time not so much because you don't really like spending quality time with people you like definitely like, like just hanging out talking. But there's on the Select field paper that your lead that might
otherwise a Lambert. I feel like my gift giving was always like reading like silly
words of affirmation. This isn't that I give words about, like getting words of affirmation. Like I think you what we do is it's really nice when we get validation, and you particularly like it.
yeah, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with this ship. So what's your thing? I don't know You answer for me. Because we can do a test. There's a test. There's a like a online
online giving one as an attack.
But you're not like I think you might be identifying as a gift giver.
And I'm not but you can identify with whatever you want. Nowadays, you can
give a question that
words about formation and some a little bit of it, like the quality time he's in there with specific people. So what would I have a
question mark, physical touch?
Yeah, I reckon you would be you're not physical touch. You're
not a gift. So this is what you would receive. So I don't think GIFs necessarily interest you that much.
Maybe the quality time. The words of affirmation. Definitely.
Yeah, I think there's definitely like I love I love affection. So there's probably three big library kisses. like watching your ones sometimes. Now
can I ask a question? Yeah. How do you know that your partners love you?
Good question. Christian on a break text me.
My last text from brain
I did. Yes. I reckon I'm a combination of the words touch and quality time I think
words I'm quite the poet. I saw as you like to share so you show your love Yeah. Missing I seven Can you turn the heater off?
Yeah, my headphones at 27 bucks in the world. You know, I clicked it a couple of times and went up and I was like, bucket
1305. Am I said to Bry I love you so much kiss kiss with no prompting. No prompting because some of us need a little bit of absolutely no prompting. And then she wrote back. I love you so much. You're the best human XO.
Yeah. God and I have arguments. No, I love you more. He says no, I love you more.
Yeah, I would enjoy arguing but
sometimes I asked God do you love me? You love daddy?
Yeah. words of affirmation is definitely up there.
Barely absolute little rap, to be honest. Love him. But I've got blood on my hands. I had a lot of my James he had a hit a full. He had a full at the the jump park in Ivanhoe. Over the weekend. And so I was pushing him around and I pushed him and he got onto this like a little kicker, just a few these little jumps. And then he got to this one where he got to the top and sort of went off to the side of it and fell off. It was only probably 40 centimetres high. And it was
47 but you think 47 Can you just talk with your hands in front of the camera? So if from the table it's about there? It's about 40 centimetres. Yeah. And so
that's very good. Five centimetres is bad. I'm bad at this. That's good.
I was surprised because I thought five centimetres was why bigger? What are you laughing at? 97 Tommy?
And so anyway, smashed his face on the ground bleeding and like I ran over picked him up blood pouring out of his mouth. What was he saying? just crying that point and then I kinda like what that was. He's top and then I'm getting my hand in there just wiping it all. Anyway, he's got caught up. And so he goes to daycare yesterday. And he's got, you know, cut all over his face.
Is it like a month because as a kid, I had like a moustache gab.
Now this was on his live. It was fat. Now it's just like little scab EBS. And so it looks like he could either either have herpes or he came off his back. So
pretty happy. He could have herpes based on you having herpes.
Well, I thought he had a cold sore months and months and months ago. But anyway, he hasn't had one since so let's fingers crossed that he doesn't have that little bar.
Would people test for that? Or? No?
I mean, it's pretty clear. She's got a cold sore. There's a test for it. I don't know what you can do. I've never been test for it. But I've got cold I get cold. So anyway, yesterday, Amy went to pick him up from daycare. And the woman who is in charge of the room, she said bodies' told us that you and daddy have pushed him have been pushing him over. So he's telling the daycare that we are abusing it. And what did you What did would you say to him? I saw him later that afternoon in the car. And I was asking him
what do you think he wanted out of?
I don't know attention Yeah, attention because then he was telling someone else like at home he was telling you he's an empty or he was in the bath saying daddy pushed me over so noisy tomorrow night it's
taking your wife
I've taken me which is not true. It's not fucking 10
so the basil When did you move from bendy go to Melbourne
segway King I moved to uni I did a gap here in Britain ago washing cars what a profession gap here a gap year
in bendy go MA never heard those two things together. I shouldn't be
shouldn't be oxymoron I think I say oxy cotton
or not but I was I was saving up to try and get the study thing. What would you allow its back in the day? I think a fact that
I so it's not cotton. Is it? I always say oxy cotton. It's oxy content, code, content, content,
content. And in there, I think it is content, the content
and what is it 97
actually co executing it.
Now I was just asking
to relieve severe ongoing pain. Okay,
that's code. Base it like I when I was in San Francisco once those guys trying to sell it to me. That's why I feel great if you have one.
So say that again. Sorry. I just got distracted.
Watching Catherine Washington
Kaz 19 and then come down to uni in Melbourne. We detailing cars. Now. So I was working at a car wash. And I could get all my jobs done in about an hour and then I would just listen to podcasts for the rest of the day.
Back when you non time. Yep, sure. Yes, yeah. Yeah. So
it was it was hanging in. It was Willem Lima on the drive home. And the the triplet boys.
Yeah, so and they would either we'd stuff that you could never listen to this week in tech. Remember that Leo Laporte. Oh, no nation. Did you ever? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I'm with Kevin Rosen. Yep. Yeah. Hell yeah.
And so when you do a podcast
from way back?
You just mentioned some people you definitely wouldn't know because I will be on 10 years ago, just so he could make that that he's been listening for long. has arrived. They say Curtis? Curtis? Yeah.
Yeah, there's a doctor at the moment on amazon prime. I think I used to the other day called I think it's like one, one mic one voice. It's all about podcasting. Which I don't know what Amazon ins like model is in regards to accepting movies. But I've searched a few things like podcasting and then clicked on whatever is available on amazon prime. And they have been so poorly done. Really my assumption is that they they don't have this you know, like Netflix. You've got to go through obviously a process to get it on there. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it's like submit your film to Amazon Prime upload video. Yeah,
if you can find it.
We could do a documentary straight to Amazon Prime
and then and then you move down to Melbourne. So you you leave you living in the studio right?
Yeah, I'm like a couple of bucks that way.
Was it was it you that spotted Josh ages ago? I remember
Yeah, just at the lights one day, but I kinda had never met you guys in person. So I didn't want to be like Ah, hey, and also crossing the lights is a weird one too. Cuz you know trying to cross a hurdle. Huge you know what is it six lanes or whatever it's it's it's a lot so I just got about halfway and then you looked up and I was like
I'll see I'll see you guys again. And I
and so moving into a bigger city like Melbourne Was it a big jump for you? Oh no.
I mean by that stage like if you if you grew up in bed ago there's it's a big country town like it they call it a city because there's 100,000 people but
do not take him back
from the radio. Yeah, yeah, I do work experience in like under him. Isn't that really
there? Yeah. Patrick. What's that? Brett Fitzpatrick
practice Patrick EB it
takes kings is like the youngest person to have ever gotten a metro station job. Yeah. As an announcer and he's from bendy God. Yeah, yeah.
Right. People came out of banega come out of India. Yes.
There are feminine 3dr just Yeah, and then just in in general. Yeah, totally. But you come down in Melbourne a lot like for you know, if you're into sport or into music, like none of that comes out to Ben and so you can catch the train down. And then I also have an older brother and three older sisters who are all in Melbourne. So I was down here hanging out. Anyway, yeah. But there is like it's it's big. And it's funny, I probably appreciate it more going back now, if I go back on a Sunday, and I'm like old texts Amai to live there and be like, Let's catch up. And let's do something in this still not a whole heap open. And it's a little bit of like, I think it's a bit of the chicken the egg. I have some mates that own a bar up there. And they're only open Thursday, Friday, Saturday and sometimes for Sunday. And it's like people aren't going to come out there's not a heap of things open but then vice versa like you're not going to open up if people aren't coming in so it's it's a great place great place to raise a family is what you hear a lot
is that what your mates are doing what why your mates all there?
Um awesome question. I think a few of them just kind of never left a few have gone back to race race kids or to start up things or just didn't didn't kind of like the raw like the rat race. Like I got plenty of friends that will come down will go to the footy and I'll get a text be like so happy to be back in Banda's. You know, just that just get worn out by the pace. Yeah, which is full I don't notice it, but
it feels like that. That's home right? Yeah. What time for you Josh. Like you grew up in the burbs? Is that like when you're out in these areas? Or is that just gives me shivers? No.
I like it in this state. I think there's a difference between feeling like home and feeling nostalgic. Nostalgia, if I go to endeavour hills shopping centre. Like that, for me is like nostalgia. Just saying literally like I remember when Domino's came to endeavour hills. It was huge day. It was massive. It was a massive deal. Yeah.
And yet it just felt like a like America has arrived.
But would you ever? Would it be something you'd want to move back to now? Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I grew up in Brighton. And it's a definitely have said to me recently, I'd love to live there. Again, like I'd love to be able to afford a house in Brighton. It means you're doing pretty well.
Yeah. It'd be cool. Like I think about like regional like something that's like a Daylesford or something like that being cool.
The thing is, they get so quiet, shepherding got so quiet. tend to go Sunday afternoon. Yes, they become sleepy towns. Yeah. And then but then there's a bit of a buffalo during the week and on a Saturday. Yeah. But then there is Yeah, they they do kind of just shut off or shut off.
Yeah. And so I think people just switch on when they have to, and then the switch off and you kind of you have to fall into the rhythm. Because if you want to do something on a Sunday, you really have to work hard to drum up people because they're not in that rhythm. That's what I find. And I just love in Melbourne being able to you know, it's like, if I feel like comedy on a Monday night, it's like I'm going to go to explain you know, I don't have to wait for that one Thursday a month that you know, my mates are going to go run the night where you know, Tommy that slow and I come up from you know from so
we're so when I was living in ship, my housemate Cal who's been on the show bought he bought me a gift for my birthday which was tickets to see a band that he loved. So it was like a rapper I've definitely
done that before the rapper.
He anyway this I cant rember the name of him because he's clearly wasn't my peak. But appreciate that he bought this for me. And it was double pass. And we were going to go on a Friday night we had to drive across to Ben do so it's about what an hour and a half an hour Yep. And we like we got a shift on in the morning on air and so I had to be up early 9am sorry. We were driving we couldn't really get wasted didn't want to come back you know really really light and so we went and had dinner at grilled which was lovely to grade them selling point of bendy guys all
They've got a tram. And they've also got
they got a track Really? Yeah, yeah. Tourist tram can't do anything became this. This one stop on it. Yeah.
I got the trap. And so we drive across
In general in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. The tram just onto onto the line going
down to Melbourne. And so we went across and we went to this venue. After dinner and sales early, about eight o'clock. And we found out this little black swan. There was a corner. It was a neither burger neither. Neither that time pies. Yes. And we looked across and on the corner. And we went in. It was he was this guy says century. Oh, yeah, he was the guy. He wasn't until one he
was happening in the meantime.
There was no one at the pub when we when we got the
direction. He was doing the rounds going from place to place.
And then it was ahead. He was headlining a show in vinegar. And so he was, I don't know, there's like DJ beforehand. And so we left We drove. So we basically drive to shepherd and for figuring old shepherd and doesn't have yet been the
What about like finding contacts? Like being in production space? Yeah. Trying to build a client base from living in a regional town.
Yes, super hard. Super, super hard. And I'm a big greeter at aura. And so because I do been in Canada for a couple years, working as an editor, so I came back to Ben do
what sort of things were you editing?
sports? Yeah, hockey and baseball in Toronto.
Did you notice the pocket when you walk in? On the there's a pack on the shelf? 3d deal? Yeah,
Yeah. Is it a leaf Spock?
Is it got a leaf on it? is a leaf on it but till said it's not an official POC
POC, it was it
was a pocket based on i think
it's it's not heavy enough to be a proper Park. Can we throw the head definitely hurt.
Anyway, so you were working for like a sports channel or something or was working for a post house and and they were, they were Yeah, just pretty much sport and music. Music docs, which was sick. So I was like, I'm going to make docs I'm going to that's what I'm going to do. I've got out of like Jana school and it's like, I'm gonna make docs and documentaries, documents with text documents gonna make you know, documentaries. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But then when I just started to get that feeling of like, I wanted to do my own thing. And, and what I was drawn to is chase the girl originally. But it was also to start my career I studied over there. So I was always going back. So I had grand dreams of living in Montreal, which I figured out when I visited. I was like, man, I would have I would have failed here pretty hard. Yeah, that's not so bad. So that Yeah, you could you could survive by that, that you can thrive that you have that speaking the language.
I lost Well, well, so you know, question. Yeah. So the guy been to go to hard, super hard. Yeah. That's why he's back to Melbourne. But so how did you end up from ben de go to Canada then? Like after? Because I studied in Melbourne, and then I studied overseas in Canada, and then exchange pretty much James. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I went to college in you. So it's like alcohol fun with an A? Yeah. And did like video journalism over there. was like, This is sick. I love this country. I come back here.
The like, the mean, it's been to your country towns. Is that what you call? Yeah, like a regional town? Yeah. They, they? Because you could you could look at it and go, it's super hard. Or when you're in a big market? You could I could look to somebody like a chef in an urban you can say, it would be super easy to get to infiltrate the small community. Yeah, definitely integrate, why infiltrate? Your driving, but you just, you know, all the business owners maybe can't charge as much for what you do your service you offer. But you could just be the number one service provider in the region. Yeah. And so it's what do you think now being in a big city? Yeah. Having to service clients when there's, you know, a million of you trying million of us trying to do the same thing?
it's, it's super hard. I hear what you're saying. Like there's there's I think there's a couple of levels to it. to, to get out there and meet people is, is definitely a I think, I think it is harder in the country town. Like you know, there's there's just not like the meetups and people that know people and know people like that's in the country in general. That's what happens. But it's it's so nice that I was trying to hit up like one or two kind of production companies who would just you know, people doing it and there wasn't really like a scene I guess, is what I'm trying to say. It's, it's I think it's easy to tap into a scene in a big city. But you're right, with like, crushing the market. But that was the other thing that was just like, there was there was like three people that did video and it was like, that's it. There's, there's no more businesses coming up there need new it's like, well, we've already got the video. Yes. And I know them. And then we have our photographers. And it's like, I know them, you know, so you just end up, you know, stealing work.
You know, in Malibu, this there's plenty to go around. You can just handle and
yeah. And so, you were you did a bunch of video production stuff with Jake and Amir the podcasters. How did that come about? Just
like a ice cold email. That's what it was. But I think I was able to get across and giggles and get across that I was a true fan in that. In that email. I think it'd be funny to go back and check. But I think I pitch like the Olsen twins. The Olsen twins did a bunch of movies back in the day. And there was one like, was was supposed to supposedly Australia, but I don't think they even came to Australia to shoot it. So just like maybe I want to watch that tonight. Do that. Yeah. What
is that? Would you remember that? 97 will be on the case? Was it? Did they position it as going to Australia? I didn't even watch it. I just like did you watch the trailer was like this is trashed. They there's no had a shot this right.
And I think I pitch something like that. And anyway, I just I just gave them a very, very good offer to be like, Hey, we can film. You don't have to pay us and we'll sort ourselves out. We'll we'll sort everything out ourselves, you know, flights and calm and all of that. And so, yeah, that will like yeah, sweet. And I think we did a really good deal. And we a really good job for them. And yeah, I think we became kind of friends with them. And then they came back out like a year and a half later we we did the same again. So
that's Yeah, so Jake and Amira, American podcasters Yeah, creators,
and they did college humour for like 10 years. So they
had their own show on that. Yeah, it's so cool.
Yeah, that was really cool. And that was just kind of around the time of like, you know, doing small client stuff in bed ego, and, you know, just just wanting to do aspiring to new beginnings. And so I was just looking, I was like, What can we shoot? What can we shoot? What can we shoot? And it was just like, you know, because we love bands. I'm talking about when I say we like me in my childhood best friend from from the Indigo deal. Like let's let's What do we want to shoot and then just like cold because we had nothing to show for ourselves either. Just like dinky little little did. So you know, you have to catch a break. At some point someone's gonna take a chance on you
so much tram Barrow, you can go to same lightyear from a metro
fountain. And the church is how many churches? Just a few. But the other one, the one Cathedral in the southern hemisphere is really like it's the other one.
And so how many emails does it take to get somebody say Yes, Mr. 97? he's locked out at about one, one email to me. next minute, he has a job. Just one now? Actually, I would have
I would have been like, probably 15.
Really? Yeah. It's poor.
of bunch of random.
You just go through the top top listings on Google.
And then just know, the subject. I'll work for free. In every one of them was that every one of them? I mean, you have to go through and check if you actually want to work with
them. But yeah, yeah. bezza? What's your thoughts on working for free?
You got to do it. You gotta do it. I mean, I think you know, the likes of Gary Vee would would say it a lot better. But yeah, I mean, you've got you. You've got nothing to show for yourself. While if you flip the script, if you're in that position, like would you pay someone that has no skills know, life skills? To do the work? You probably you probably wouldn't. Yeah, you know, but would you would you take a chance on someone that's like, I think I wouldn't, and I have had a couple of little
the young guys come in and work for us. And they're going to Canada and doing all that sort of stuff. If there's someone listening who is in uni, and they have that opportunity, opportunity to go overseas.
Yeah. What did you take away from it? Um, well, I mean, everything you're like, just that getting outside of your comfort zone is easy, huge thing. Just travel in general does that. And it just, it just forces you to problem solve, and then think on your feet? And and yeah, I mean, the, it was funny, like getting into because I was doing journalism, I got into an ID journalism, knowing that I wanted to make documentaries, but I'm not really into news. So that's just a bit of a caveat. So I get over there. And I remember the guys name, but it was the current it was the at the time, the current Prime Minister of Canada, everyone's talking about this big news storey and I just had to, like, lean over to the girl beside me. I'm like, I'm sorry, who we talking down to like, the Prime Minister of Canada. I'm like, Okay, okay, cool. And like that's the that's the first first day first lesson and I'm like, I am in massive trouble here. Like, I don't know what I'm doing but you get through it. Right? And then you just either I mean, a lot of it's just figuring yourself out to when you're young like that's the hardest that's the hardest thing you don't know what you're good at or what you can offer like you think you do but
it does so that journey like doing the journalism sort of skewed thing Yeah, a lot of people want to be doing documentaries and stuff. Was that a good route? specifically if you want to be doing documentary filmmaking yeah I definitely
have an authority in the area and I think it's changed so much to like a lot of a lot of what I look at and the and the world that I'm in is short form so you know the longer big issue stuff is is stuff that I've you know, stayed away from you might need like Damon gamma on the show so I think
what's interesting is the the university selling the dream of creating documentaries, or you want to be a long form documentary filmmaker.
Yeah, I think bullshit. Yeah, and it's we definitely hypocrite because I i I'm a big Monash University fanboy I went there. I do a lot of
work for them. You have like a hoodie and stuff.
I don't have a $95 hoodie. No.
95 Really? Yeah, I think so. It's out there. God, it's gross. It's nowhere near as good as the
screen printed high quality.
Yeah, yeah. comfy. Yeah. Yeah, very Yeah. But
I didn't like I didn't learn any of the editing skills or anything like that at at uni. I remember we had a two hour tutorial on how to use the camera before we went out and shot out you know, first pieces, and I just had been making videos since I was like 16 so I was Yeah, that every birthday in bed ago. All my friends got a video that was the thing. So if you got like a journalism degree that know what I do. Yeah, I got a bj.
So you don't just for that one.
My buddies initials, Aveda. Hey,
but like, honestly, no one's ever asked for that no job I've ever got in the last few years. Like I had to do a resume the other day to do some work up at the at the hospital. Like, Hey, can you send through your CV and I was like, I haven't done a resume in five years.
Do keep your LinkedIn updated and press export data resume as your as your name as all the things you've done that you've entered. Why I mean, this is I once had a client asked me for my credentials. I don't know if I made maybe didn't even respond to it. I can do a an Ollie. It's so bizarre. Yeah, I mean, I haven't. I can't remember last time I was asked for resume, either. I mean, maybe it's just the initial i
think i think it's definitely the field were in. But yeah, I mean, there's so many online debates, like should I go to film school or not? And it's like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so. Like the deal who I work with, like he went to he went to uni, but he did. He did like accounting and management. So you know that there's nothing creative in there. And it doesn't lend itself to him being an amazing camera operator.
It's It's interesting, the
way we were a year ago, today, we released our episode that we do with Seth Godin, today is quite a momentous day, you know, like, it's a bit rattled, to be honest, ya
know, we're just, we're here.
We're here, but a year later.
Yeah. I mean, did it feel like a long time ago feels like so
long ago, he posted a photo yesterday of us out the front of his, his office, and we look so fresh. And it was
just so young, young, it was only a year ago.
depressing. So I look so much all the 97 WNW
giving us a snippet, we get a snippet. Okay. So if you've just started listening to the podcast, as in not this moment, but just recently started. Yeah, man. Does anyone just press by
randomly pull up and let go?
Or can that's pretty
bad. We have Seth Godin is someone who we're big fan of. And we said, Josh, the challenge to get Seth on the podcast A long time ago, and he made it happen. And we flew to New York, and we went to his office. And we had now with him. It was amazing. And this is a little snippet.
What is this? 97? What are you about to ply? Its how to work
out how much you should charge.
Right? Oh, right. relevant to the topic we're talking about? I said, maybe you could just pull that up random?
Why are you
putting the value on yourself, I've had my own business, for the majority of my working life. And I've always kind of, you know, set the point of which I think I'm worth started charging that and then thought, hang on, I could be making more money. And I'm not there internally, feeling that I'm of that value, right? But then somehow, somehow I stumbled and I get the value. And then I'm like, I'm worth it. How does people who are running their own business,
right, scary quest, get to
that sort of feeling inside? And do you even need to have that feeling?
Okay, so first of all, price and value are totally different things. And you have to decode that if you're going to be the person who's charging for your work, what you would pay you to do it is different than what someone else would pay you.
I'll do it for free.
Right? And so, we begin with price is a service. And it's a service that helps the client identify, what kind of promise are you making? And so, you know, in in India, there's a hospital that will, that has saved the eyesight of more people than the sum populations of Chicago, Los Angeles in Detroit put together and they will do cataract surgery on you for $115. Or free if you don't want to pay and the message of their pricing says to people in India, you can afford this, you don't have to be blind, right? So there's an absolute value of what's going on. But not 20 blocks from there. If you're a wealthy person living in India, you can buy an Termez bag for $10,000. Is it worth it? Well, I'm not sure it's worth. What is that 100 times as much as getting your eyesight back? How could it be right? But if you have your eyesight, and you're rich, the bag is worth way more than $10,000. Because it sends a message to your friends and your family. And unless you're the kind of person that could have a $10,000 back. And so our message is not stealing from people. They're saying if you want to buy this symbol, this is what the symbol cost, if it's not worth it to you don't buy it. So when we think about, for example, those firms that do naming, when MBC wants to change its logo, they pay $100,000 to one of those firms. Turns out they got a logo that someone down the street would have built for 200. So as they ripped off, I don't think so. Because what they got $400,000 was all the meetings, was the fancy office was the ability to tell their boss to hire the top of the field, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what you sell. So I don't think it's MI worth it. It? Is my storey coherent, and am I making a promise I can keep. And the last thing I'll say about this is if you're a freelancer, the only way to to do better is not to work more hours, because you can't work more hours is not to hire people to do your work because they're not going to be as good as you. It's to get better clients. freelancers, with better clients, charge those clients more. Those clients demand more from them are more likely to say yes to good work, which helps them get even better clients. So the way you get better clients is by charging more not by charging less.
That's amazing. Thanks for thinking of you.
It was also a year ago that we had Chase Jarvis on the show. Yeah. Which basil thank you for the book. That is chases new book
creative calling. What do you come with next to the office? I mean, you first came with brand new with Chase Jarvis third you can with what book a book on how to make brownies.
Did I just fell right? I just I got I was ordering a book. And I was like I will order because it was a pre order set ages ago. And I was like, I'll just get a second one and someone will need it. Yeah. And then. Yeah, then he popped up on a video that I saw with you guys the other day. And I had originally heard the I think that was my first mic. Mic drop moment listening to you guys was just in New York. And Chase Jarvis. I was like, I wanted to be that guy. I've walked around New York wanting to run a to chase. Dan, what's your plan with your podcast? I'm getting outside of my comfort, comfort zone a little bit. I'm starting to get outside of my network and kind of start to talk about issues and stuff going back to the journalism roots. Because at the moment I've been talking about media and it's a very it's a very, like, insular thing. And I've had friends go listen to your podcast. It was great. Sounds good. Yeah, you'll you'll like you a little bit funny. I was like, thanks for like that. And then it was like didn't really get it. And it was you know what? didn't really understand. So I just turned off. I was like, autumn, autumn want that? You know, I can have those conversations off the mic. That's, that's what you do. Anyway.
Yeah. What's it called? Again? the plug. It's the process with basil, Jared gronk. will link it up in
the show notes. Appreciate that, guys. Thank you.
I love it. So the outside your bubble thing? Yeah. It's, it's interesting, because it's so it's easy to create inside your bubble. It's easy to show people and have, you might all say that's awesome. Yeah. But then there's the, you know, the, the courage you need to do to put it outside. And that's, like, it's a weird thing, creating things that will be seen by a bunch of different people that will have opinions on it. I don't know what it what, what have you learned from doing that? That? What if you Yeah, what have you learned from putting stuff out to actually be criticised? Or, you know,
you just you just don't know what's gonna land. I think that that's always so surprising. And, and it's, it's the it is the old chess, not with vulnerability, but, you know, the more the more gross and, and exposed, you feel like, that's what people connect with. So I think especially, especially, you know, doing what we do for a living and being like a professional editor, you know, in a lot of people's eyes, a lot of clients that I work full, I just add it to them, you have to be honoured to be very, that I'm that I'm not editing on the fly with what I'm saying in and, you know, especially when it's my own show. And you if you are you expecting huge vulnerability, and if you want, you know, huge nuggets from your, from your guests, then you've got to, you've got to bring it as well. So that's, that's, that was a big thing for me. And I've done plenty of interviews. But a lot of times I'm chopping out, you know, my questions and all of that. So to keep a lot of that stuff in Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, there's, there's so many so many learnings. Have you worked out what the thing is that you would,
by default, try and hide? Or what is that everything that's going on in real time? Man,
so good. So good.
Yeah, I think it's probably it's probably that first thought, it's that first thought the first thing, and then I go, oh, let's just run it through. Is that going to be okay? And then I'll do a lot of times, I still offer it, but I'll I'll kind of like, filter it. Which there's nothing in an edited podcast, there is actually no need for that. Because Because I edit my podcast doesn't go out, you know, live or a lot of people just don't don't touch their podcast, but you know, that's a skill of mine. So I do I think I can offer that.
Yeah. But um,
yeah, I don't know, like, nothing murky. Like, I think that that's, I'm always pretty confident when I go through security checks and stuff like that, because I'm like, you get a hold me here for 10 hours, I ain't got nothing, you know, the good Catholic boy in the back of the church ain't got nothing to hide, you know. So
he steps and he should have the front. Don't think we're all that great at identifying what is great, because it's so tarnished by all of our experiences, and especially when we're creating something that puts us puts our vulnerabilities out there. Because then it's like, well, like, like you said, what, what are the things you say? filter? Yeah, it's like there that that might be what you're editing out? Could be the gold?
Yeah. So for instance, it's like, I think for me,
it is trying to sound smart or not to sound dumb. Yes. And that's like, sounding dumb is normally a great info really solid conversation, however, Said. And so sometimes it can be like, we know what the right answer is. We know you know, the right things to say. But it's not necessarily the true thing to us. Like, I think that we all think stuff that he rational or dumb or doesn't make sense. And I would prefer to bring like it. My natural inclination is to say the right thing to sound smart. But there is I think, way more than learn in that unconscious almost that first thoughts like what is the insecure thing the pushback the lizard brain? He was talking?
Yeah, I think you guys you guys do it. Awesome. And I'll watch on clips that you've caught up being like, he could have left that out. You could have left that first pot out and then you see where it leads to and I'm like, Oh, that makes sense. You need that at the top that's where it all stems from is that is that mistake or is that fuck up? Or you know, whatever that that the incorrect turn of phrase something that might be a little you know, NPC or whatever but that's where the that's the weather learning it comes from right otherwise it's just you just spouting bullshit that you just regurgitating over and over and over again yeah as plying to the platform as well. Mike what is what is what does podcasting bring that a three minute radio break? can bring? And so if you are super super edited Have you just created another radio show?
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Anyway, thanks for the book. Anyway. Welcome the brownies as well.
Thank you feel good,
then we're really good way around. I'm glad you didn't bring any in because yeah, I'm lining up for ally.
Yeah, just on those brownies we
annoyingly basil quiet loudly silent laughs His face was you know
it was like shred and for stereo.
Yeah, we left a whole bunch of the brownies you brought in the fridge three day deal with the fucking Yeah, yeah, the final ones you know he I all the good flavoured ones and less left one that just
showed the berry one. I liked the Ross.
I liked it. But he had the like, the one that most people would go to the left the one that would usually get laughed at us fatties just Kevin scoop up. But I had to go still and then I the other one.
Anyway, today talk sorry. Mr. nine, seven, your la
fact I die. Yep. In 1996, Charlie Sheen bought 2615 seats at the angel stadium. So he could catch up run. Hitting catch.
That's true far
out. Yeah. Wait so much money. He bought 2600 state seats. So
he was he on his own so he could just catch it home run? Yeah. Have you found any photos or anything of this?
I mean, it said he didn't catch it. So
but I'm just I want to say shut up challenge. I
just dropped 260 K or something. Ridiculous. It's pretty good fact.
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