- August 6, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday August 6 (Ep 145) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Bianca Chatfield has had an amazing sporting career representing Australia in Netball. She is a Commonwealth Games Gold and Silver Medallist and has taken the leadership skills she developed as captain, into the corporate world — helping leaders within organisations build a high performance mindset. Bianca has done radio, TV, sports commentary and now joins the reality TV world as a contestant on this season of The Block. We cover health, leadership and a behind the scenes look at The Block.
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Conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. Daily talk show everyone special guests
joining us, Bianca Chatfield
Hello, boys. Oh, yeah.
You made like, am I working on my own? Yeah. So I'm just having a chat. On the time that we are recording this. This is the first day that you've actually been able to say that you're on the block
that I am on the block. I could do you know what I feel like? It hasn't even happened. Like, I've wanted to do these for so long. I'm one of those obsessive people about the show. I've always watched it. And I've always thought you know what, I reckon I could do that. But obviously playing netball, you can't really do that.
So I know someone who went up against you in a challenge for an audition for the block. Not not the gap week, which is this season. So yeah, there, they hate you.
For people who aren't from Australia, is the block International, like Do they have versions?
Well, they do. But also this series, or the Australian series goes to air in 40 different countries. So apparently, even like we get translated into different languages, but your own voice
and who the translator is this
really deep female voice
so that's it, how it all what you have to go through people think just because I'm a nipple that I just put up my hand and I'm like, yep, you're on. Yeah, but for these series 45,000 teams applaud like
that. She did a lot of sporting people that probably
a lot of sporting people we don't know because they don't ever tell you who else has applied i plus you Okay, cuz you're on Yeah, because we're all we thought we were going to be on last series and we went through all the process, you're going to go through all these interviews, and then you're going to do a challenge which is where I met your mate Yeah, and his wife and we, you know, had to do that against each other sort of trying to compete but you gotta try and work together and it's just a really odd environment and then you go away and you just sit there waiting for your phone to ring like for someone to tell you whether you're on or off. And when it came to the Elson week series I think we got told 10 days before we were meant to start filming that we weren't on and so when you kind of get that usually go Yeah, is it worth like waiting again for another 12 months to find out if we get on and going through this same thing where you got to give up your job and anything that you're doing just to take this opportunity Well the reality is there's people out there going we should hold off having kids because we might be yes
such a be thing you like it get to some level
up this was the that they didn't do the block and we entered because they never said that it wasn't going to be a block it was another show yeah get on because they didn't do too well was it? It was renovator rumble I think it was that but nothing happened with it but yeah, we did a few interviews and we met lucky who I'm sure is
lucky is now a very good night of mine Yeah,
so we we did but yeah my wife was really keen on getting on she probably still is yeah I don't know how it go on reality TV like I think about myself but maybe I'm I always think maybe I'm too media trained. Yes if you will, like maybe because I've trained to be a presenter.
You definitely have a presenter type voice Tommy and I have done shoots together which has to do with like ask a question to a beauty blogger
Yeah. So tell us
I always think this really shows they want loose units as you do
well that Yeah, well I think that's where I'm probably going to be a bit of a disappointment because I wasn't overly loose and different types that he would try and Come on girls don't be like your sporting talk when you're getting interviewed after a game and but you know what, there's plenty of other least characters on the show with us this season. So
all the ridiculous entertainment I might be channelling the loose units that were
at the Gatwick which is a building that the blocks on this year
today that was the hardest thing going in. Because you felt really sad because they had all their belongings in the rooms in the old hotel rooms. They had the like old mattresses and the wardrobes and the you know some clothes in the wardrobe and you just were going through thinking oh my gosh, someone leave thia and it's their photos on the wall and the context that people
don't know what the Gatwick is I grew up steering clear of it. It was its own Am I right in saying that a woman inherited or a family owned it or she was rich and bought it and she almost was like a someone looking to help people in need and so cheap rules
into one instant killed a really lovely area.
Yeah, that they people could live in. And so there was a lot of drug addicts and yeah, I got I got murdered at the front of it. Yeah.
So it used to be like back in the 30s which used to be a luxury hotel. So that's how it all started. And then it became I guess worse and worse. And yeah, the two sisters that inherited it just wanted to help people and so let everybody in and obviously didn't charge a lot of rent to live there. But there were people who are obviously very affected by drugs that live there. And they will also apparently a couple who had lived there for 30 years just because it was cheap rent and they love the area. I know
someone that was not doing too well and they went with somebody who was scoring heroin from there. And he was not a heroin addict the person he was with was and he said that he shot himself going in there like so this is when people living there Yeah, he said people would be standing at the doors looking ash and just like giving you these faces because they're like, Who's this person is the cop? And so it's like totally eerie but on the other side it's in a very expensive area and it's a grand old building sounds like the perfect perfect Reno building well
it is and the probably the thing that made us feel good about what we were doing was that all the neighbours in the area would come up to us and then like if you need a shower come to our house like we want we want you to guys to do this we want it to change the area and we needed to change the area and you know we're all for it. So even noise complaints I don't think we had too many of those throughout the whole series so it
was a board like how does it work was bought by the producers or Channel Nine what like what's the process in this yes
i Channel Nine by the building then they obviously get all the architects to come in and work out how it can be made into apartments we go in there and do it we're given a cash budget to do it and vouchers and whatever else over 12 weeks and at the end it goes to auction so it goes to the auction at the end of October and whatever the reserves are which were yet anything that we make over the reserve we get to keep so
you hundred percent gonna walk away with something if we don't say that like
if it sells for exactly what the reserve is then we don't get it This was an
uproar in previous years where people walk away being like I've made absolutely nothing for all this time.
They definitely is at different times you can see people's reactions there other like super happy or they're disappointed and you know I'd watch those auctions and I get I'm not really an emotional person and I get so emotional watching it for them. And I can't even imagine sitting on that couch now in you know, four months time and actually having to say how it all plays out.
So the idea is that how many teams are there?
So there's five teams
and they're all renovating a separate is like a unit
apartment Ah, okay, yeah, so three bedroom three or two bathroom and a powder room so they quite big
and sorry Have you got experience in renovating and stuff previously a
little bit I've done to apartment before but like little apartments nothing like this. Yeah, so it's kind of like a fake it till you make it mentality Did you partner up with so I did it with a great friend of mine Kala he's also another Nicola. So two girls on the show both six foot two tall so you can imagine all the tall jokes that are flying around every single day. But yeah, we just we both knew we'd have a work ethic like we knew we'd stay up all night if we had to, to get it done. Whereas some of the other teams that you know the guys are trying to build is and that made it life a lot easier. And the girls would sometimes go to bed at 10 o'clock at not and not say up painting whereas we had to so
Whose idea was it to actually go on? It was mine as a team you read tearing? Yep, I wrote Terry's and she should be thankful.
Depending on the outcome,
we probably hate i'd love each other at different times.
So it's not like it This isn't like a celebrity version or anything like this. This just happened. They just
use your everyday people. That's who we are. And so
you're a nipple player in Australia. When did that all finish up for you?
I retired from the team at the calm games in 2014 in Glasgow, and then I retired from Melbourne victims a year after in 2015
you went captaining there
yet? Captain the victims last captain of the team and yeah, my body I was 33 I think by the time I'd finished and my body was just dead so you've been playing since you were 11 or something? Oh, yeah. And 18 I may be striking him as 19 year old which is so young and in hindsight probably too young. But yeah, I'd been away I think just because you not really ready like your body's not really ready. I physically probably was but your joints and everything. If you on the court. Try to every single day it just takes its toll after a while. Like knees and stuff. Yeah, my knees. Yeah,
Tara Is that like a common net? But I feel like my experience is playing mixed netball for a tech company that did sort of lunchtime. netball that sort of my career.
Did you play?
Yeah, absolutely. Always. Always sort of. Definitely no to Goldman Yeah. shooter. Even nipple come from because, like you speak to I feel like I've had international people come over, and I'm trying to explain netball. And they're thinking I'm handball, me handball. Do you mean lacrosse?
So where did Where did nipple actually
well used to be called basketball? It was from England. Yeah. And they used to call it basketball. And then when it came out to Australia, we changed it to netball. But what was basketball called? Well, I think it was all just the same sport and then it kind of like the ship runs. Yeah. I travel a stop. Yeah. Is it a female sport? Like is it predominantly Yeah, but there is a men's Australian team. We used to play against them all the time with the female Australian team, because they're taller and they're stronger in their feet. I mean, I hate to admit that but they are so we used to play against them quite a bit. My uncle my uncle
owns Abbott pocket or sports centre. So that's the closest I've got indoor netball centre. Yeah, I used to work there as a kid and hand out all the beeps you didn't put on a BB self? No, no, I used to play spot footy and stuff. Club and school but never did Jose to make the bacon 12 bucks now.
What is the business model behind an athlete that's playing netball? Is it? Is it? Is it a full time gig is you like,
you don't know if you'll get money until the end. You don't really
know what's happening. Well, when it all started, it was just a hobby. Really? Yeah. And I had to go to uni I did. Teaching great uni like you really have to have two parts of your life. Like you can't just rely on being an athlete. But fortunately for me, by the end of my career, I probably my last five years, I was a full time athlete because sponsors, the ones that pay you more than what you actually get paid to play. And probably the most ridiculous thing that people don't realise is for us. We get paid more to play for your club than you do to play for your country. It's crazy. So you get government funding to play the country or
the Olympic Games is a business in itself. Isn't it? So the
nice so? Yeah, you get more to play from Melbourne than you did apply for Australia. So then, yeah, I would make most of my money to survive just from sponsors.
Do you think that keeps you more grounded? Like I guess in some regards, these other people go off the Royals when they finish sport. They're probably having that balance. Do you think you're less likely to sort of you know, you hear like the swimmers all go crazy. You know, like, Toby, I'll see you remember when I was like I used to be 120 kilos, and I used to love nothing. I used to love watching the swimmers get real fat after three because I just felt like it make you feel better. Yeah, it was a little bit of reliability. I'm like, you know what? Maybe I could do this whole swimming thing. Maybe.
I'm fascinated by this. How did you lose the weight?
Oh, yo, yo dieting. Good to say that there was somebody This is the opportunity for me to show one of my fat like I
the picture. Josh is 89 it right now?
Yeah, I was probably 87 at the beginning of the week. 89.5
Tommy came back from Europe.
Oh, so you're in trouble.
He's a photo from a few years ago was made. Oh my
mean, that was a Thailand trip. Yeah. And I'm sort of I'm on a boat there. And I would have I was wearing three XL t shirts. I was the best thing. But then I even had this more recent one, which was only five years ago.
And so look so different. Yeah,
it's it's a
little American kid.
I look like I shouldn't have like a motor home.
What was the light bulb moment for you that triggered it?
So I a bunch of things I used to I worked on a I was a community manager on a film called fat Sick and Nearly Dead, which was like a juicing juicing type film on Netflix. Oh, yeah, it's on never it was at the time, it was the biggest net documentary on Netflix before I came to Australia and all that sort of thing. And whites was always a big thing. But it was definitely I used to be that that's like, it was sugar. Sugar was 100% the thing and so for me, it was realising that I would never feel satiated. And the reason was, was because I wasn't actually eating food. Like I wouldn't eat meals. Yes, I would not eat all day. And then I would have like heaps of chocolate, which would have been like 200 sorry, 2000 calories. I'm probably eating in sweet food. But there was actually nothing in my stomach. So I think the biggest shift I made was going to two meals a day. Yeah. And I think that the other thing that was counterintuitive was I wouldn't have breakfast. I like I would used to have breakfast, it was always really unhealthy. Because the whole storey is you better you should have breakfast. And it was at a time where I remember mom saying to me Well, it's better. I remember being in like Vanuatu on a holiday when I was a kid and and always having donuts. And she's like, Well, you know what, like, donuts is better than nothing. And I really don't i don't stand by that. So yeah, I lost a bunch of weight. And so it's been over the last few years. Kp you know, I keep it off. And I definitely Tony Robbins calls it zigging and zagging, which is sort of, like, it's sort of, I'll have a day where I'm maybe eating more calories. And then I'll have a day. It's almost like the five to diet. Yeah, you know,
I I really like five to actually, because I feel like now I've got to change my eating now I'm not playing. But um, yeah, I lost to be have to have a couple of days where I just literally have the bare minimum because you don't need that much food.
And it's a good room, I think it's a good reminder to where it's like you can do without like, I used to think that being hungry was this like really bad feeling. And I'll straightaway ate something versus like feeling it out. And because what I find is it like it, the hunger lasts for a really short period of time. And so the other big thing was just thinking about things like insulin and like spot and realising that, like if I have something sweet at the beginning of the day, if I have pancakes in the morning, that's gonna like throw it everything else.
If you think about your body, taking this stuff like sugar, like it's actually been working really hard to regulate you. So it's like your body's under pressure when you're eating all this sugar.
Yeah, but the biggest shift I think, because I've done it every single day you can think of ketogenic I've done whole 30 I've done slow carb. Every single day. I've done juice juice fasting. And so in detox, yeah, I never did the lemon detox. But the thing with the juicing, the juicing one was horrendous, because I couldn't. I was in community manager of this, this film. And so there was this whole thing where you'd say juice, right? Like you drink juice, and there was a two week juice fast. And the first video I made was me filming myself saying Hi, everyone. It's Josh, a community, Australian community manager juice on. I would have been 20 at the time, and I started drinking and I vomited up the juice because I put too much Gee, I love gingerbread. Not the same as putting ginger into. Yeah, so I put like they said put a thumb and I've already got a fat farm. And so I put a lot of ginger into these instead of putting that but I basically did two weeks of drinking orange juice. Like I was so lucky. And I got a deck scanned night. Yeah. And I'd lost like I'd lost in two weeks, I'd lost over 15 kilos. Holy shit. Yeah, but it was like seven kilogrammes of lame, lame. So I was literally like dying. And you meant to have like, have vegetables and stuff allergen sort of plant based stuff to sort of go back into eating and the first meal I had was a curry with like coconut, right? It was like the worst
exercise because this is what people think people think that you lose weight because of exercise that you do. But it's like we've always been told it's like 70% nutrition and 30% the exercise that you do that can help you be whatever you want to be.
Well, I think that's where that's the stage I'm at now. So the way that I lost it to was because I had two herniated discs. So my back was fact so I was like, I'm gonna, so I started walking a lot. And that was a big thing. I'd walk 10 kilometres a day, five kilometres to and from my work. So that was really helpful. But the thing that Tommy is trying to instil now and it's very much the Craig hapa sort of, you know, life which is fucking lift some heavy stuff. And because I haven't,
I haven't got the food right, which you do now it's more under control with like, then, if that's your normal now let's then add on something like normal exercising exercise normal. Yeah, how different when you lift? How like, how, how much weight gain, how much training what y'all get there? How much training were you doing? And then at what point does it cut off?
I'm like, What you mean when I retired?
Yeah, so I'm a pro athlete, too.
So we were trained every day, like whether it be strength training, coat work, you know, keeping fit all of that. And I think that your body gets so used to that kind of training that as soon as I was hired, I actually got lane, because I would lose all these bulky muscle that I had on me and I would just get like skinny arms. And I was like, Oh, this is really weird. I'm not used to being like these. But I would keep training just doing cardio because I had these real thing about I've spent so much time lifting weights, I just don't lift weights anymore. I don't want to have my big swimming shoulders and can't stand it. So yeah, they're not actually got a lot leaner and found that exercise for me became something I kept doing most days because it mentally made me feel good. Like it was time away from my phone. And
yeah, did you enjoy training or taking it from a job you think you're just wanting to
Yeah, and you know, some days when you're like, I just can't be bothered going or I just want to go and like fluff around on a cross trainer and watch TV at the gym rather than do something that's really intense and really hard. And that was probably the biggest adjustment going from absolutely flogging your body where it makes you feel good. Like you've done something to then just exercising. That makes that's good for you. It's not needing to flog your body all the time.
mom's cooking when we left the house she actually enjoyed cooking rather than having to cook for three boys.
That's right. There's something you find the love for it because it's different.
Yeah, group training. I can't stand come I can I can I just I can't do like I can't do with social situations already everyone. social situations and then putting something that I'm not good at it sort of like a panic attack waiting to happen.
You would hate it. 45 Yeah, well, I
do that a lot. You would hate it. I've tried. I've tried doing. I've done so many different types of I've had so many pts over the years. Yeah.
And I get frustrated having conversations as Josh, as you can see, tell the themes of them. But it's like, how would you suggest for someone to find something? Do you even need the exercise
to go to the gym? I think like, I think there's something weed about driving somewhere to then get out of your car and to exercise versus just like got like actually doing the exit like going like, for a run was like doing something that's self contained. I just feel like the
I used to be a PT Yeah. And I would always say if driving to the gym is the thing that gets you to do the thing. That's fine. Yes. If you're if you're if you're the you know, Bayside, you know, muscle gym on the beach, and you're doing chin ups and stuff. And that's your thing. That's cool. It's just about removing any of those barriers. Yeah. Go to the gym. Well,
that's the thing. I hate the weather in that if it's cold, I ain't going outside. Yeah, so if 45 for me, I like it because I got a new sign up. You don't know what you're doing. And when you get there, you just locked in, like you can't leave once you see how hard it's going to be. And so you just have to do it for 45 minutes
sending like cult.
Like, it's fun. And I just feel normal rather than people seeing you as being an athlete because I can fluff around and do nothing if I really feel like it. Or I can train hard. But I like the fact that you got to go and you're locked into a time. Yeah,
well, my girlfriend breaks. She's like, she's got like a certificate of the moat like she's attended the most classes at her trainings like over 600 in a row or something is Clemson.
Josh and I talked about the bubble of radio we both worked in Yeah, when we can, you know, you show in it and everything's about radio, and you're leaving like, there's life after right? Yeah. Is that the same for netball? What's the bubble of
that is the same for nipple. It's the same for the block lucky It's lucky in these bubble and you can't even see outside of it. You can't even understand that there's people in the world that don't care about it, when it consumes every thought that you ever have. And the minute I retired, I almost found it. I think I thought to myself, why did I play for so long and 1% of the world probably East that care about nipple? Yeah, it was really weird. And I keep saying it to play is now that still play? I'm like, don't worry when you finish no one even kid.
That's a good thing. I'm not
speaking Spanish at that point. Yeah.
It's, but it's also nice to know that there's so many exciting things to look forward to. And that's what I think the difference is having a balanced kind of curry as a net bowler or female athlete, we've got to have other stuff to do. When you do finish, you do have plenty of options. And when she's going wrong in netball, am I a lot of swearing? Great. When she's going in that bowl, you can go to work and put your energy in into something else. And it helps you kind of recovered from the average game that you play on the weekend. Where if you're in that full time, it's just so consuming and you can't escape it.
So do you get good at working in in teams? I feel like that's the other thing about this whole gym thing is like I think I would I'm good as an individual doing stuff. But it's the sort of team stuff that I think dynamic. I remember when I was because maybe I'm hashtag triggered from when I was an overweight kid. And I was always the last one to run when I was playing footy. Yeah, the footy team couldn't start training until everyone had run around the oval. And I was always the last one. Yeah. And the captain was sort of like this really fit dude. And he would sort of it was a bit patronising, but really nice like everyone died, he would sort of jog on the side. Come on, now you can do it by eye rolling, just being like, Man, this is
a podcaster now
is a bodybuilding. Actually. The Yeah. How do you go with team dynamics? Is it something that just naturally you enjoy?
Yeah, I think it's it definitely is natural. But I think you also see the importance of it and how, like, I know I'm much better when I'm around, right people like whether it's that add to your vibe or the positive energy that they give you if you might be having a bad day. I could not imagine being an individual athlete or playing tennis. pony curiosity. Now he's got a lot of issues, but he doesn't understand what it's like to have teammates there who pull you into line before the general public get the opportunity to. And you know, I do think that it's, it'd be really tough any individual athlete and even kind of using that team element. When you go on to something like the block. That's so kind of foreign for me, the first thing we did was make sure that we had all of our trades will similar age to us, like we're good people, we got to know them before the show, we really wanted to surround ourselves with those people that we knew would help us. Because it was going to be a really shitty experience. If we just went in there with you know, people who we didn't know or didn't want to put effort and time into. You are the leader
of the other calls. Now you're the leader of the team that you applying with? Yep, had How does the team element come into that? When you're I mean, you're leading the team. This is just being a part of the team. You still are Yeah, different dynamic. Via
Yep. And and some people love it. And some people hate it. It almost made me play better. being the leader because I enjoyed putting time into other people. Like I love saying the youngest kids do really well. Because when I first started playing, the oldest players or the captains gave me nothing like didn't even care whether I was playing well or not. It was almost like that was threatened by anyone who was coming up. So I always remember how they made me feel. And so it was always at the forefront of my mind that no matter who we had no team no matter how good they were, he didn't ever want to make them feel how I felt when I was younger. And it made me play better because you're so out of your own head because you're thinking okay, how she going? Is she going awry? Yep, she's playing Well, great. But to encourage her got to keep her up. Gotta keep it positive, because I know she might be struggling. And so you constantly think about other people. And then you just have to play I think
that's the key. I think that's the key, even with my stuff is I do well, when I'm the leader, I'm not good at being told what to do.
Is there is a benefit in going through being told what to do. Like, I guess you being the player and also the later player.
Yeah, but I think it depends if you say success or not, like if you're told what to do, and it never works. Never kind of understand or one want to believe in it. Yeah. Whereas if you you doing it and you say it works, then you kind of carried on as you get older and older. I just
remember a PE t sang yelling at me. Do you want the ABS and I just like yell back at it. You don't even fucking have abs. And so I feel like we need coming from that sort of plight. Like, I feel like in those moments, you have the option of sort of be like taking that energy in a really positive way yet. And Jane like, yeah, I want the ABS but I just could never, I could never sort of bow my head down and let that sort of happen. Do you
reckon you can be this so much about role modelling? I can do you reckon you can be a fat? This is probably sorry, fat PT.
I recognise a lot. When I was in I remember being the class that I was in. When I do with probably 20 other people. Yeah. Or I can 5% of them went on to actually be personal trainers. Wow, I remember just being in the room and I was young 17 that time low here and you're thinking God, I am not PT. But then I remember seeing some ones that were overweight. So I guess it's depending on where you're coming in. Are you going to be just someone who has a lot of knowledge in their brain? They probably could be overweight. But if you're wanting to condition people for competition, then maybe you need to approve it. It's like the business coach that has no business chops. Yeah, never scale the business. Yeah. And they teaching people how to scale businesses.
That's right. Maybe like I think I'd probably be more worried about like the fat dietician. Because at least like doctors, there's a lot of fat doctors. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's it's almost like it especially I feel like this happens in the US. You see these like, films about diabetes and stuff like that. And then you see the experts come on screen. I think it's a hard gig. For the person who like is it feels like there's a bit of a misalignment? Yeah, like, what they're saying versus what they're sort of, yeah, how they projecting, I
recognise a lot of dietitians out there that have come from, you know, eating disorders or things that have kind of got them passionate about that field. And but they're healthy, obviously, when they're practising. I think that's okay, because you've at least pulled yourself out
of going through the journey. That's
a bit fucked up between.
You're the leader of the team, the girls. Yeah. And then you obviously had the people above you, the coaches. Was there a Did you ever get a bit of that? That that tell me what did I
know it really depends, I definitely. I don't know if this is right or wrong. But I definitely had a lot more respect for coaches that I knew had been players respects probably the wrong word, but that you just gravitated to what they said if they've lived and breathed and felt what you were going through at the time. So some I became us who's the coach of the victims now and I had her arm you she was a gun Australian player. So I was always intimidated by her the minute she try and tell me things to do. I'm like, Oh, god, oh, I played bad in front of her. And you just have these different feeling to a coach who probably you know, usually comes through like a teaching background, might have played nipple, but not necessarily at the highest level, you kind of struggle to see how they see it from your point of view.
Yeah, it's really interesting. I want to because I've been thinking a lot about the difference between sort of mentor ships and coaching and sort of coaching not necessarily within the sporting context, but sort of in sort of more sort of life or business. And I someone's telling us the other day, I think even maybe pay to shepherd who is we've had on previously talking about, you know, coaching is about asking questions. Yeah, getting the getting the person to come up with their own answers. Yeah, what was the some of the mechanisms you learned as a leader that you've taken on through the block through business,
probably getting to know the people that you're working with. So even if it's spending two minutes, you know, speaking to the girls on their own, about what's going on in their world, what they're studying, kind of understanding them as people not just as a nipple, that to me, I always felt much better about it when people did it to me and knew me as a person. And so I would try and do that. And I think that's kind of helped me in that, you know, a lot of our trainings for example, motto done something on the weekend or something that we're passionate about that we're going on they're excited to do and then so the first time we'd see them on a Monday morning like how was it tell us about it shows photos already? Oh, yeah, you just it's things that excites other people they just come out of the shell when you trigger that emotion in them that you're interested in that you care Yeah, and so yeah, I definitely tried to do that as a captain and I played much better for coaches that tried to do that to me as well.
Do you need to be liked as a leader?
I don't think so. By the end I Well, I think to some degree probably yes. But there were definitely plays it didn't lock me but ultimately by as I was getting older, more experienced all I cared about was it I would respect that I put the team first Yeah, because sometimes decisions don't suit everyone and that's a leader has to make those decisions and calls but only if it's the right thing for the team not for me as such so that's hard it's hard to be selfless in an environment like that but that's what I would always say was number one and then you think that piece some girls off then Soviet I'd try and kind of men their relationship but there's not much I could do about if they didn't respect me for putting the team first Have you got thick skin do you think? Yeah, I think I developed it definitely over time and just learn not to worry about shit I can't control like if a coach hated me like one of those the coaches drop me at one stage and she just was off me you know when you're not a favourite and you know you just know you can't change your mind no matter how you play you know, she's just done with me. And so I just had to learn to let that go and it took me ages it took you know, speaking to people like Craig hapa who would always be someone I'd go to where he just try and kind of coach me through that just let it go like you can't even change her mind. So you just got to go back to the level below play as well as you can kind of your time will come again when you can go back up and it happened when that coach retired and then you
cap what was? What was the Crossroads? Like when you were 18 things going big for you from a netball point of view? What was the other options?
Well, I went to uni and did a teaching degree. Yeah, that wasn't like like a PE teachers Hey, science, but
my 20 elements, which is probably the most science II thing was that plan B.
That was because I
was I was gonna do both because I didn't realise it was going to be 100% my full time job. So I just thought I would do both for as long as I could. But I only ended up teaching part time for a couple of years and then have never done it since So
did you ever did you have moments of dealing with shit had kids and just being like half of my here when I'm like top of mind a little bit about like, it is an amazing achievement. It's I'm at the top of my fucking game. And here I am subbing in for these little assholes.
Well, it was more the teachers that I found the kids I love the naughty kids because they were the ones who the personalities like the ones it would make me laugh and because I was teaching as a 21 year old, and a lot of the you know, the girls I was teaching with like 1718 or 2012 and so it was very honoured to be in that environment. But I love the naughty ones. And then it was the staff who I'd be going I've got to go Jamaica for three weeks with the team and the staff would bitch and moan behind my back and and just be like, you know
what a small world isn't it schools are
politics. Yeah, I'm like place I don't need to be politics.
You go and competitiveness. Do you think they go hand in hand like I you know, business? I guess money's a thing that really pulls out egos. But I guess when you're up against a bunch of people. There you go can help thrust you forward in some respects. It's
a confidence thing.
Yeah, everyone has. That's right. It's just how much it controls you. I think, in the sport world. Yes. on it. Yeah, everyone has it, everyone. I think the smart people use it to their advantage and turn it down. When it's obviously becoming a disadvantage. It's not you kind of learn how to control it. But oh, the competitiveness I think it's got to be in building you to be an athlete in the first place. Yeah. So I
could I couldn't be one and halfway now either Could I got nothing to do with our mental state and more to do with their ability. The
minute I finish playing, I've not gone back on the network, or I've got no interest in playing that ball again. As soon as I retired, I that competitiveness just disappeared. interest and that's what I wasn't expecting. And people want to compete with me now. And I'm like, Oh, I can't be bothered.
Where do they compete with you?
Well, whether it might be at 45 they want to challenge me or so now you can Yeah, cuz I want to
try and smash me because they like Oh, you're used to be that way.
It's gonna be the Bible. They get to work guys. I smashed Bianca Chatfield today at the gym
now or is that she's all down, run better. And then they kept saying that to us on the block. Actually, they're like come on. You two are really competitive. And we're like, Yeah, but we know experts in this area. Competitive we need a sales like get the best NFL cells blah blah blah. But we're certainly not wanting to like tell a builder over there that we have way better than even then we're going to beat him because he's the expert and we're not
you have you seen any of the block back yet?
No, wait, well, they showed us the first episode while we will fill me and that's it.
What if they if you were to like write yourself as like a character you're writing for the Herald Sun? Yeah, what did they behind us? Because we know how crafty we can be anything video.
Um, and is it noticeable that they've sort of painted you in a lot?
I reckon every weeks really quite different but we're definitely like the two sporty girls like best friends like have a bit of fun always kind of the happy positive ones yet at trying to be quite savvy on the side. So that's that's how it kind of plays out for us. But I don't really know how it's going to be edited guy are we certainly not the villains but it doesn't mean we don't get into conflict with people like we certainly get into conflict with people but we tried as hard as we can to
not be a bitch.
Was it? Was it what you expected? Um,
oh, probably like work ethic in that side of things. Yes. Although it pushed me more than I probably ever thought. The lack of sleep is the hardest thing to deal with it we talk about this Simon
Josh Janssen. Good he's he's really yeah, I need it. It's really sad isn't it?
No, I'm I'm with you if you can get it
sometimes we went all Friday night no sleep.
Are you effective though? This is the thing that I wonder like, I there's this diminishing returns that I find that happens where I'm like, I'm awake right now. And it's it feels a bit tokenistic because I'm doing nothing productive Josh
maybe in real life reality TV Cry
Cry crazy the whole thing I know that with like married at first sight and stuff we've had a friend What did they do that? No, they they from was telling me how she was one of the bridesmaids and they basically get them pierced but then they also like hold them off for a long period of it like they produces these techniques highs to really get you pissed off when your boss
is going after you've been drunk and then you just want to go home then he'd be real crappy
tactics like that?
No, not really. So the block
you got machinery you don't want to necessarily be drunk and tied with
drinking it goes on Oh, like it's very much that we're treated like adults. Like we're given a car. We can drive wherever we want. Like you don't have to be on site. If you don't want to be you. We stay there. We obviously live there. But you have your mobile phone on you. 24 seven like you can communicate with whoever you want to in the real world. We would drive home on a Sunday do our washing because we're from Melbourne. So yeah, there's little things like that where it's very different. I think to other reality shows like apparently a masa chef, the contestants get the fine for 210 minute phone calls a week. That's all they're allowed their phone. So yeah, I know. That's what I think I might want to do that. But I think the block is good, but I haven't been on any other one
Saturday night. So how much are they actually recording? Like, do you get a sense that anytime you're on location, they're recording audio and this sort of audio? Feel like a start and stopped?
Nice today? As soon as I wake up in the morning? They'll wake you up about six? They wake you up? Yes. camera crew boom mic. This is like North Korea type of shit. Just
gonna come wake me up in the morning. Yeah,
me the cameras.
Know cam is Kim Jong moon. And so yeah, what's the deal? So you wake up with cameras and stuff? Would you have a face of matters? Did you sleep with makeup on just didn't care in the end? Yeah. In the end, so it was
like I'd wake up before the cameras. And we will quite often often about before they came into the room. And then by the end, you just can't move. So you lie. I'm staying here until I have to get up. But then as soon as you actually get out then they physically put a mark on you. And you've got that mark on you probably till about 11 o'clock at night until you go to go to bed. So you're always being recorded. There's car cams in the cars. So you always record when you're in the car.
Any awkward like toilet situations. I remember.
I would always unplug to go the toilet. Yeah. Not everyone what though? Yeah. I don't know if that's because I've got experience working the media that I'm like everyone's listening.
Unplug. Yeah, I know. I remember when I was I worked at the fire brigade in the media department. I was looking through training footage and the guy was wearing a helmet cam. This was early days of helmet cams. And he'd be forgotten about it and went to the toilet. And I just it was that very quick, like scrubbing for the footage.
I know the poor editors have to edit all that footage. There's like 220 hours a week of 42 they get and they've got four hours.
Do you actually spend much time hanging out and chatting with the crew? Or are they sort of separated?
No, we do we do quite a bit. If anything you'd be painting and the crew be walking around not be having a chat to them the whole time and they'd be like shut up Bianca we can't just have you talking to so in camera. But no, it was like a family like the block is like this family of the whole crew work on every series that been there for 10 years. They all really love the show and want it to be successful. So yeah, the other day they care about us to like there's a lot of times where they were quite worried about us so they would make sure that we're eating or they'll make sure that we you know, didn't drive the car if we hadn't had enough sleep like that was just very protective and I really liked that about it have is that is reality TV.
Well the funny thing is that the within the radio industry it's sort of a lot of people complain and moan about the the idea that all these up and coming radio people yeah, you know, the Tommy did chip it in for two years out Yeah, regional radio for 10 minutes every day and all the you know, for a number of years, it's quite good for, you know, Metro Radio stations to pick you up, you know, pick up reality stars, because you already have a bunch of brand equity, you know, channel nines checked a bunch of money. Yeah. Have you been thinking about how you're actually going to leverage the opportunity? And is it something that the producers will coach you through or help you through? Or do you feel like this support in that way,
not really like it, there's probably like two completely different things because the show have their own objectives. And if you want to be on it, you've got to kind of do whatever they want you to do. But for me, like I've done bits of radio, too. I was on these on sports station and I was doing breaking radio on that and that lasted six months until I stopped paying me and that was with that whole Tara
Yes, we're good friends with Tara
Yeah, so I was doing that and like love the radio world. Do a bit of media with them on CHANNEL SEVEN actually different station on House of wellness with chemist warehouse. So I go and present storeys on fitness and health, whether it be about kids or so I kind of love that part of my job. And I would like to do more of that. I just used to get so annoyed that everyone would put you in like the nipple category. Like they're like, oh, you're just an Ebola or you know, hacking, like I'd be talking about AFL and rugby and everything on radio, which I loved but yet people very much put you in these nipple things. So I'm hoping that out of the block people just say you as Bianca not as Bianca the nipple feels like
a good opportunity for me to bring up rebranding of this. I mentioned this every single show we have so i i've actively had a rebrand personal rebrand new glasses, clothing, all that sort of thing. You say, Tyler? I do feel great. Tommy. Yeah, I've had a bunch of mates especially especially mate. So you've you've been friends with for a while. They pick up on it's like, What? What do you what do you think you're doing? You're changing. You're changing your look. Do you think you try and he makes me feel off? You've been a bit try hard. Do you think Have you ever had the disease, I have to do a bit of a rebrand and when you left netball and things like that, have you actively sort of drawn a line in the sand and said I'm I want to be seen as something else.
Oh, you probably probably well, it's retiring. It's when I had you first you any athlete says he's any football. I was saying you first you out after retiring. Yet you like work your ass off because you got all these opportunities. Everyone comes at you like, Hey, we want you to do these do these do these and I was doing the commentary for the nipple on channel 10 and I'm travelling around all weekend. And I just said to myself, What am I doing, I gave up nipple or to get a life back and get weekends back yet I'm travelling every weekend calling the nipple and watching more netball than I did when I played and it was probably at that moment that I was like okay, as much as it's easy for me to get work in the digital space I really want to branch out from that and go and experiences Big Bad world of all these other stuff whether it be sport or like the leadership part which I'm obviously passionate about from my experiences through sport so it was probably that but then where I was like right I'm gonna have to say no deliberately two jobs even though it might cost me for a little while but branch out into these other areas that I will know will give me many more opportunities if I just hang in there.
Do you remember the specific step the first step into that? You will
I think it was just simply saying no to it was about saying no to Melbourne vixen is about going back and working there and helping them in the leadership space. It was about saying no to nipple commentary opportunities. I was just like, I gotta get out of here. I've got to be a different person to what everyone knows me the nipple world.
For me it was saying no to cargo pants. Really?
Yeah. And those shirts the just just by just Jane's
best unless I used to work because when I was not to bring it back to me being a fat kid, but I will
I have every
therapy session is why we can do it. No, but I remember watching Queer Eye for the straight guy like talked about vertical being very slimming vertical strike. Yes. So I was sort of like a 13 year old going to parties in sort of business. A business shirt, sort of style that was appealing
to Josh is a thinker. Yeah, very analytic was analytical himself. I think it's an awareness of where he is and what he's doing. What do you like? Some of that reflects in the moment or down the track?
No, I know. That's tricky. Like I had a similar experience with the straws but it was more I knew when I was out there on court because when you playing for Australia, you're in these tiny little gold dress like gold is not great for anybody. It's not slimming like metallic gold.
Yellow really it's yellow gold. Remember being
green and gold and all that but there was a moment where fake tan started to become quite fashionable and so you you when you would watch the games back on TV, you'd be like hang on when I've got fake tan on I was so much fitter, and I look much better wearing yellow so I remember that moment that from then on every single game I played I was faked and up to the max
this week. I look at like soccer players and AFL football players and I think of these guys locked out half of them are really good looking. They're really good at sport they got lots of money. This is bullshit I wonder what comes
first. Maybe they will pick it on the teams
go back and see their like photos on our drafted and they've all got like acne and they all look like these tiny little teenage kids and all of a sudden
they will get like a dose of racket time and
money to start reflecting Is there something you're conscious about like you thinking okay eyes on me now that kitty hate because I could imagine it would For some
it became an addiction for us in the team all the time. Right and
honestly like to the point where
you had a tent in the in the back
travel like overseas with Dorothy team like whether it be a con games or World Champs and we'd have spray tans coming to the hotel and spray us before you got to pick
budget wise between having an old studio
and some of the girls got like qualifying tanning I don't know what that qualification
this breakout and we'd like wreck the bathrooms in in the hotels because we'd stand in the shower and they'd spray us and they go everywhere and we were leaving tomorrow will be fun
any of these action on the block
um no i was i was doing a little tangent on my own just making sure that I because also Carla who I'm doing with my friend she's got beautiful dark skin so I look lb no next to her so I had to make sure that I at least didn't look too Palin Pacey.
What's that what's like come games like like what's the what's the vibes in those sort of environments in regards to like community like when it comes to you know, it's it's st like basically what I want now is you know like the Olympics I talk about it's a big sex fest and then village handing out condoms Yeah, like all these like big sporting events and stuff he's like what is the vibe like to people like GG have friends from all the different countries
we speak there's a bunch of good looking athletes I could only imagine what goes down
Well yeah, it's like that it is this because you finally a part of a bigger team than just your team and that's all you usually used to. So you get in there and like in the massive dining hall that's got every single cuisine that you could want it's not healthy food it's just what it was there. Yeah. And you know you have your same boat just sitting over the table next to you like it's the most ridiculous world and the condoms that don't hand out as such but in like the medical team offices there's all these like big bowls of them that people can just grab if they want to Yeah, the thing for nipple though is we were always our event went from day one and we were the last event before the closing ceremony all the time. So swimmers would rise for the first couple of days they were done they would just potty
note I gained like 20 kilos
but yeah, so it felt like as nipple as much as it was great to win a gold medal and get to the last game we missed out on a lot of partying because we only got one night of it whereas most people got at least five or six
Did you were you involved in the coverage of the Gold Coast stuff?
No, I was in the block bubble. I didn't even get to watch it so a lot of the girls were texting me saying what was going on but yeah, we weren't really able to watch
I actually went to the Gold Coast not the same time it wasn't for the calm games was during the calm games but it was because it was quiet and so I just like was such an interesting vibe was quiet well So my main my main had a had an apartment and in Surfers Paradise or whatever and he said amen come up there's like no one here and so I went up and it was like they had traffic that people sort of directing traffic like you know with with the big sort of red sticks or whatever Yeah, and there's literally no one crossing the road It was like a really and so you'd go into restaurants and speaking the studio had a Persian restaurant who was like you know this was he was like ready for like a really big businesses were told this is going to be a really big event and I hadn't been quiet
and some people lost money because they actually didn't get bookings people left Yeah, locals again it got out of there
but so were there crowds at the events
well either the events were all filled out like the actual events were all for like I couldn't even get into because it was all like a last minute thing there was very few actual event so I didn't go 20 events but on the strip they had really good like live shows and stuff, performances and all that sort of thing, which was really cool. But it was really quiet. It felt like it was one of those you know when it feels like they've over invested in something and it like looks amazing. And you're like this would be awesome if there was just like a few hundred thousand more pay. Yeah, what was yours?
I played in Glasgow and I also played in Melbourne in 2006. The best part about Melvin was one because he out but it's like the community aspect of it where all the volunteers and you walk around the streets now and people still wear their Valente outfits or backpack or something on from the 2006 game. Those
people are probably the same ones that were the Qantas jammies around. Yeah, that's
exactly but I do love seeing that that so many people got into it with they love sport or not. They just wanted to be a part of it if you were to rebrand the con game for
the brand to see you like it i think i think that maybe this year there was definitely you know, the vibe could have done somewhat like it from what I heard people will be disappointed. What do you think?
Why don't we just make the Olympics and the calm games just combine all the sports? So all the sports go across the same and just have one big event every four years? Yeah,
nipple in the Olympics, put somebody on the sports and on in their
bank. The Olympics are crazy. I was I went to the London Olympics. I didn't actually go to any of events. But I was working at the radio station at the time for FIFA angels and was the digital content dude, yes, filming. And it's the craziness around the Olympics is how strict they are on the rights and stuff like that. Like I got bored man. She can't mention the Olympics. You can't like it, especially in this digital age. It's gotta be it's gotta be pretty hard.
It was like box prizes. You can't even feel
Yeah, well, we had we had a guy on cycling Maven, who's this cycling cycling dude and he did a big Kickstarter campaign to go to a cycling event yes and coverage. And he didn't have any media accreditation so he's ended up being a vlog of just sort of him was almost like goggle box which is exactly what he's community wanted but was obviously for people who are expecting some those rights
are old on but how they sign on to the broadcast deals because they Yeah, they no way suited to today's day and age where even the athletes we can put across whatever we want to put across on our socials. And we've come games you're restricted, like I had, like some of the sponsors that I had, I wasn't a lot of weird like, I had Pima for like 10 years. But when I went to come games, I wasn't allowed to wear their shoes. And I had to wear Dora or whoever the sponsor was, and you thinking really like, how's that
it's so annoying, because your, your your sponsors have put in all the years, you've done all that through everything it's like, it's like the equivalent of us, like, you know, one day being big and having a sponsor throughout the whole thing. And then on the big, grand, whatever, Episode 1000 of the daily talk show when we actually have people listening. Could you imagine? Yeah, not being I would, that would be
nice. But anyway, I mean, we can't fix everything at once. Can we
have you done the whole corporate speaking so kind of thing.
I do do it. But I do it more from a leadership point of view. So going into talking to businesses around things that we've been talking about, like, you know, how important is to build relationships and real relationships with your staff, and, you know, getting rid of the hierarchy that's in there and getting people to have buying. So I do a lot of that I'd rather do stuff that's meaningful than just going and going. I played netball one day,
I'm gonna come actually see that you can take things that were from your sporting career into? Absolutely,
yeah, definitely. And I've got these real passion for athlete kind of well being too. So you know, and that's no different to a normal person's well being that no matter what organisation you're in, you've got a bit smart, you got to be mindful of it, and people's mental health and how you can deal with that, and how you can support people who are struggling with things like that. So yeah, everything that happens in athlete world is just the same as what happens in the normal world.
How do you reconcile, like, everything that I've been struggling with of light is like, everyone's just making everything up? You know, like this. Like, in the sense that like, yeah, there's, there's a lot of people, even that stuff. But I think that is this thing, where it's like, you know, because you are no bullshit and all that sort of thing. Do you think that you know, people like to speak in matter of fact, terms like, this is the way this is the only way? How have you sort of worked with that with being a no bullshit type of person? You know, how do you sort of fall? Have you sort of formed? You know, your own value? Yeah.
Oh, I don't know. I think it just evolves over time. And you do get influenced by people along the way. And you either give it a go and it doesn't work for you, or you don't believe that person in the first place. But, you know, I think it's about being able to talk about it with people that you trust to you. So again, surrounding yourselves with those great people where you can say, Okay, I'm thinking nice, I'm doing this Is this right? disease, disease way I want to go and having them be honest with you. And that's another thing you get from being an athlete, you learn pretty quickly that you love feedback, and you want feedback and the harsher it is almost the better it is. And you come out into normal world and people don't like giving you feedback. He wouldn't like, you know, sitting you down, go, okay, you need to communicate better. You need to do this better.
When you thirsty for afternoon. Yeah, this morning. We
were all we get it. It scares you in the sporting world, but then you get used to it. And then you realise that no one's comfortable doing it in the outside world.
How do you tease it out of people? How do you tease real feedback? That's not just niceties. But stuff that you can actually implement?
Yeah, I think it's it's just it's a process. He kind of sit down in the meeting, go rock. Because like, I learned differently to how you
land is literally how I do it. The first question I asked someone when they listen to the podcast, I said, Tell me what shit like really, I want to know, like, what am I doing wrong? Yeah. And I want you to like in this moment, just slam me.
And then I've watched people struggle with that answer. And not everyone. I don't think maybe not everyone's out for having those conversations, giving the
feedback, or trying to do it in a way where Just give me two things you think I should I can do better? And three things that you loved about it? Yeah, like sometimes it's just breaking it down like
that, where I try to more like a roast like, I might just roast me Yes.
Because I'm worried that
which I will want. One thing that we had to do as a team is that we'd all sit around in a circle leading team style, like everyone knows leading teams in the sporting world. So you'd sit on a chair at the front, every single person you're in team would tell you what you need to keep doing start doing and stop doing. Wow. And you'd be like shaking. And I'd also had to go and do it on myself. So I'd already had done it myself what I thought I need to keep doing stop doing stop doing and then your team do it to you. Ultimately, it all comes out to be pretty similar to what you already wrote down like you already know ish.
What was this stop doing for you to
me was stops when I was under pressure. And when I was worried or struggling outdoor really quiet. Whereas on the court, I was always like that finger at the back that was directing play and leading everyone from the back end. So when I went quiet, get out of your shell Hurry up unit. Like if you're quiet, you're holding us all back. So that was my kind of I need to stop doing that. When I was being worried I had to be able to get myself out of it before I shut up. It was detrimental to the team.
And what's been more rewarding part of your life the sporting times now as you go to house and did the rebrand.
See the rebrand? Um, I don't know. I don't know, it's a hard question to answer. Probably. I mean, I've learned a hell of a lot through sport, and I wouldn't be in the position I am now without sport. But yeah, I just think that I I'd like to think that I keep evolving and keep kind of pushing myself. So hopefully The Best Times is still to come. But I don't really know that
it feels like there is a especially with a block. It feels like a time in your life where things are could change, which is when it seems weird to be like putting a reality show in such a high weight of someone's life. However, we have seen I've seen so many times you think about you know, Chrissy Swan, some of the best media personalities in Australia have started on reality TV and not just not just within a media context, but within business or whatever it is, how have you sort of thought about what those different directions are, you know, if I'm if we get X amount of cash, I'm going to put it in here, I want to do this or I want to speak to this brand.
I'm sort of I psychology know, either the honest, the main reason we applaud is one, I bloody love renovating. And I couldn't afford to do all my like it doing my own house. So I was like, I'd rather use their money and do this. And also, we would just park board like we're so used to the adrenaline rush of sport, we both retired in the same year. And we've just kind of been cruising along for the last couple of years. And we like we just want that adrenaline rush again. And that's exactly what the block was. I didn't know what happens next, like if we make money that's kind of a bonus but I just hope that people and my profile changes from just being an apple or to somebody else that can I'm happy to keep doing what I do just kind of on a more amplified level and so are
they done? So the the apartments done or what's this so it starts now and then what happens in your life
in life? Yeah, we just kind of go back to a lot of PR now as it's being put to air
and then at the very final bit then
it's everything's live towards the end. So the open for inspections, we go to go back where all the public gets come through the property. And we crazy that day.
Like 10 20,000 people come through Elstone properties. And then the auction is a couple of weeks later. And that's all live to that we find out a reserve the day before. I probably won't sleep that night because I was so scared about what happens next and then they show me the next day films The next day and then you've got the auction and then goes to air on the Sunday.
Interesting. So you put out today on your Insta that you are on the block Yeah, it's week is probably most nights probably no.
Yeah. And I was busted a few times because for the first time in our lives, it was pepper Roxy just hanging out the front. So that would be like clicking all the time. So it was in the Herald Sun when we first started filming that I was on it. Which the show like we don't care who talks about it. We just weren't a great Oh, we just weren't sigh Who?
Just not gonna say yes or no.
Yeah, so in today's the first day they're like, yes, this is our cars. And so what's that been like for you? Yeah, my phone's been going crazy. Yeah. from people who I mean obviously yet close friends new and so they've been along the ride with us but just people they're like, Oh, hey, how you going?
block that are waiting says that you haven't said like yeah, and
I'm like, Oh, yeah, I was good last night too. But thanks, right. Yeah.
But that's okay. I'm I'm happy if people love the show, especially if like netball people love it that they get to see us in a different world.
Are you gonna have a bit of a watching routine? You know, like, have you got plans of how you gonna have a viewing party or something. So
because it's boring watching it on your arm. And we don't know what happens in the other apartment. So unless contestants tell us producers aren't allowed to tell us what happens in apartments. So when we watch it, it's the first time we're seeing what happens because we only really know like the major stuff that actually comes into ours. But yeah, so that's where it's going to be fascinating and so Colorado we don't live together so we're like we can have to watch it every Sunday night just so that we can kind of experience it together whereas all the married couples they're just living at home and it's easy
Did you have your phone to be able to take photos of what the Gatwick look like before Yeah, yes awesome. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I was the only reason we brought you here Yes, just
for the photo with Josh and I we time this well having
an exclusive daily talk show. I'd like to thank all the producers show every single one of them all the team here we couldn't do it without you. You'd love
to be on that show. Wouldn't it be good So
yeah, the late if he's a pop if he's getting tell what to do now?
Well, I think it's interesting. The one thing that I find fascinating is the storeys we tell ourselves and so you know, for me, I've created this little narrative around what I was like who I've been and all that sort of thing Do you find that you do that a lot Do you think about your life beginning middle and end this is what you know when you get old what you gonna do or you sort of a bit of a die
die die I sort of like I'm very ambitious but I'm very also day to day like I'm not too much but I have a plan Oh yeah.
So what while you so with the block going to air what was so
nice to have live so I do some consulting at Collingwood footy club so I do that in the leadership space and play a welfare there. I still do work on House of wellness TV on Channel seven. So yeah, I still do lots of bits and pieces now and just see what happens come auction day.
And you were talking that you want people to sort of see you more more than netball. Yeah. What is it? What is it? What do you want people to say? I know it's a hard question guy who
helps you brand brand? Yeah,
I mean, it sounds like he's something you put a bit of thought into.
Yeah, um, well, I just think it's not having the tag is that's all you've done is Yeah, quite nipple. Like I think you know, for me, like I'm quite a career driven person. Like I've written a book I've worked in the leadership space, I run my own business and you know, I work in the media so I want people to see me as Bianca who does all of that not as Bianca Nicola who does all of that. I don't know if that makes sense but it makes
a whole person one video go really well for me I bike where I was fishing I walked out of the river I'm now the bad guy so ah, it's not as accomplished as a professional netball but you
know he who else loves the O box Lucky lucky always posting interesting open up
in the river and
how many loves these see my video through thanks for chatting it's like super interesting to hear a little bit more into your mind and stuff like that. We should get you back on you went once we're once it's all done once the blocks all over and you'll be like
Yankee You said you were going to be the villain
do it like like why after we do it in like when's the actual auctions happening? end of October. October
Are you gonna miss nothing?
Yeah, no, but I can just be there watching I catch I can be there when you like collecting your check and stuff like that. Hopefully it's five grand.