Calling Massachusetts

Josh: It's the Daily Talk Show, episode 47. Tommy Jacket, what is up? Happy Wednesday, mate.

Tommy: Oh, hang on, just rearranging the cards.

Josh: We're just moving her about. Oh geez, that feels good. You know when you're bad posture, it feels almost like a stretch?

Tommy: You're saying doing naughty posture? Yeah, it feels like a stretch.

Josh: You know what I mean? Like, I'm just like, oh, really just fucking letting me I don't know, almost like planking on the chair right now.

Tommy: You're doing none of the sort.

Josh: Planking on the chair.

Tommy: You're being a slob.

Josh: That's more, more to the point. There's a little bit of a, there's a half a plank.

Tommy: We've got some, actually, no, well, I've got some feedback.

Josh: Okay. As in feedback for you or feedback from you?

Tommy: Feedback that has come through to me, to my personal page. I actually wanted to just tell you so that we can work out how this has even come about. So I've got my personal website, tommyjacket.com. Yeah, I've got my company page frisbeeandco.com.au. Yeah. Um, and then I've also got an email address hello@frisbeeandco.com, which is more, you know, admin stuff for people when Amy's working with me. It's her email address essentially. And I got an email through to my hello@frisbeeandco.com.au for the show. No, for my personal website. So get— tell me, I'll just, I'll just tell you the email. So it's come through to hello, which I don't know how you guys do that.

Josh: Okay, go on.

Tommy: And it's from a guy named Jonathan Silverman, Bionic— what's his business? Bionic Squid. He's just got a free plug. Fuck it. Damn it. Um, anyway, hi Tommy, uh, re— and then he's put some text in there from my website, tommyjacket.com. People in my life have now come to accept the fact that I film everything. It's except, not accept, and it's kind of a big difference. Just FYI. Good luck, Jonathan. I fucked up. I've made a spelling mistake. I can't believe I haven't been pulled up on it earlier. Yeah, I can't believe I didn't fucking pick up that one.

Josh: You should have probably run it past me.

Tommy: Well, I know the difference. I just— but how weird is that? Like, look at the email. Okay, and he's— what's the, what's the title of the email?

Josh: Uh, so it's quick website typo feedback. People in my life have come to accept. Okay, who—

Tommy: how is he— is there a strategy? Because I went, he's actually a website developer. What do you reckon? Is he— does he listen to the Daily Talk Show?

Josh: Here's a theory.

Tommy: Tell me.

Josh: I mean, this is an interesting— this would be a real fucking market, like growth hacking. Yeah, you could do a search on Google. Yeah, quoting 'come to accept' and do the incorrect one, like a phrase that people fuck up. Yeah, quote it so you only get sites that appear on there and basically trawl through all of them and find it. Maybe he's gotten a Say if you wanted to maybe, I don't know, add value or connect with people, he could get a virtual assistant to go through and do this scraping. And they have to assign— sign— if they find it, they need to find an email address. So then they go through a couple of layers and they find what the virtual assistant finds, one puts in the spreadsheet.

Tommy: Interesting, hey? And so we're on the same path because my mind got to that. As soon as I saw that he had a website development business, I was like, this is like a sort of boots-on-the-ground marketing strategy.

Josh: It's very clever.

Tommy: I think it is, because now I'm talking about it.

Josh: I wonder if we just typed in, out of curiosity, if I typed in "com2accept," that spelling, how many times it—

Tommy: let's, let's just do it, and then we email them asking if Jonathan has contacted them.

Josh: Except. So, you spelt it E-X-C-E-P-T as in like accept something.

Tommy: So, let's type it and see if it comes up. Does it do what you want?

Josh: So, it's done a "do you mean come to expect?" Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, well, yeah, there's all these things.

Tommy: I did mean that. Thanks, Google.

Josh: There's all these things that's come up. So, it's all these people who have made the same mistake. So, the first one is a Quora question. There's, here you go, there's an insurance company on their About Us page, they're called Mikey Clayton Insurance. And then if I do a Command+F so I can search, they've written, "Maintaining the same high level of service that our clients have come to accept for the last 20 years of our service." You know what I'm gonna do? Do you know what I should do?

Tommy: I reckon you're spot on, dude.

Josh: But do you know what I can do? I'm going to contact them. I'm going to do what Jonathan did right now.

Tommy: Are they in Melbourne?

Josh: No, they're in Arizona, Phoenix. All right, should I just do it?

Tommy: So what's your, what's your purpose of doing this?

Josh: Well, just out of seeing what people, if people, uh, write back.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And we can see what the tone is. So maybe I say, I was just randomly on your website and noticed that there was just this spelling mistake?

Tommy: Well, I think, I think there's—

Josh: or is that just me trolling?

Tommy: So that's— is Jonathan trolling me? Because he actually hasn't left anything. He isn't, he hasn't— hey mate, I, I've been watching your stuff, or hey mate, um, we build websites, you know, let us know if you want us to fix it, or he doesn't need any of that stuff. He's, he's banking on the fact that I had a podcast and we're going to talk about his business.

Josh: No, no, think about this. We need to actually— we should— hang on, give me a sec. Let's, let's try call him. It's got a phone number on there. Uh, I don't know what— where, where does he live?

Tommy: He's in the US, Massachusetts, I think. We— what I did was actually looked on— so on this, his email.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I saw it kind of came up when you're actually in, um, Gmail, you can press it on there like a little icon And it tells you some details about—

Josh: So, Massachusetts time. Let's just cheque really quickly. Okay, 3 in the morning. All right, we won't do that. I was just going to turn on my phone. Should we just see if it goes to a voicemail or something?

Tommy: Yeah, let's do that.

Josh: All right, give me a sec.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: So, we're calling Jonathan from Massachusetts just to say thanks.

Tommy: Yeah, that's all it is. We're not trolling. We're not trying to wake him up.

Josh: I won't— We won't say the number of it on air. We'll keep that.

Tommy: Yeah. 617. I'll read out the first bunch.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: 379. And then you look at the last.

Josh: 2, 1, 0. There we go. Okay, let's try.

Tommy: Hang on.

Josh: Here we go.

Tommy: Yes, he's seeing it's coming from Australia. He thinks he's going to lead. He's got to lead through his growth hacking. What's happening?

Josh: Here we go.

Tommy: Such a—

Josh: well, the answer—

Tommy: such a different tone. Hello and thank you for calling Bionic Squid, a full-service web development and digital services agency. We're sorry we can't take your call at the moment, but please leave a message. You can leave a message as soon as we can.

Josh: Thanks.

Tommy: Hi, Jonathan.

Josh: It's Tommy here, just calling from Melbourne, Australia. Just wanted to thank you for the correction on my website. I feel like an absolute idiot. I was obviously meaning "accept," not "except." Thanks. Feel free to give me a call back. Yeah. Speak soon. Thanks, mate. Bye. There we go.

Tommy: There we go.

Josh: That's a bit of fun.

Tommy: This is what they call an "arc" in radio, Josh. We'll come back to this.

Josh: Yeah. Jonathan, we need a— We need to have a moment.

Tommy: A second guest, Jonathan?

Josh: We need— that can be our second guest, Jonathan. Clearly he didn't answer because it was 3:01 in the morning. Luckily we didn't wake him up.

Tommy: He'll be so fucking weirded out if he listens to this show.

Josh: He—

Tommy: I think if— I think it's too weird if he was listening to this show because I've— we've got quite a few listeners over in America that are popping up in different areas. Someone outside of Massachusetts, someone near Boston. So I thought maybe it's them, but So weird, man.

Josh: What a fucking great little strat. If this isn't what he's doing, it is a great little fucking strategy.

Tommy: How can we do it for video? Maybe we could find, um, I don't know, you're sure your video was out of focus?

Josh: No, you could—

Tommy: we specialise in focus videos.

Josh: But I don't know if it's the right strategy because the thing is that, um, a friend of mine, uh, was doing some social media and they used a hashtag and someone contacted them and said, hey, just so you know, that hashtag's already being used for something else. And the reaction was a little bit like, it was a really nice thing for the person to contact and say, hey, but it also had a little bit of the, are you having a bit of a go?

Tommy: So, I'm a bit, I'm a bit reactive at the best of times. Yeah, but I definitely feel that because I, I couldn't spell as a kid. I still fucking hardly can. I've talked about in this podcast, I've learned most of my spelling through writing emails.

Josh: Yeah, and making fuck-ups and Jonathan emailing.

Tommy: And Jonathan, where were you, Jonathan, when I was in high school and couldn't fucking spell?

Josh: So yeah, how do you feel about Jonathan? So initially I was like Oh, leeches, piece of shit.

Tommy: And then I was like, oh, that's a mistake, I better fix it. So I fixed it within 3 seconds of him emailing.

Josh: Your skin got all prickly and you felt a bit, oh, like, embarrassed.

Tommy: Yeah, you feel almost just a bit like, I'm a fool.

Josh: It's the equivalent of like having a bit of toilet paper stuck on your—

Tommy: I prefer that. Honest mistake.

Josh: What about a shitty, like a real shitty piece of toilet paper?

Tommy: Not a good— no, that's not a good look. Conversation to have to have. But it's— I definitely feel like I'm a bit triggered by not doing that because, you know, I'm not that great at it in my head. I'm okay at sort of talking out loud and communicating through that, just ad-lib. And but when I come to refining my words on a piece of paper, it's not my skill. And so this is— yeah, it did trigger me a bit.

Josh: You know, I've got friends who English is their second language and they're social media people and they really struggle. They're really good creative writers, but they just fucking struggle on spelling. Be hard because it's a killer. It's like you can't— every single time they post something, they need people. Here's a business idea that I've been thinking about.

Tommy: Okay, great.

Josh: Uh, it's an app.

Tommy: Yep.

Josh: And you load in what you're going to say, and it actually— you have a couple of different options. You can pay a subscription, and it's a certain amount of words per month that will automatically, um, send it out to a bunch of people, these fucking grammar Nazis or whatever you want to call them, spelling Nazis who pick up on all this stuff. So, you could be— we should probably use a different word, as in how you could be one of the Nazis. But you could, you could, you could be one of these checkers, right? Yeah. Imagine this. So, it could almost turn into a game where you could— we have thousands of checkers around the world and they read your copy and they highlight any issues that they think of having. And so they can arise and they can have different levels. So they could be like a red is an actual issue where they've used the wrong apostrophe, right? Then there could be like an orange mark, which means, hey, this is like a brand name of yours, but I just, I'm not sure. And so you have a few of those things and then it's every single time you do a post, at least 50 people cheque it for you, and then it appears as approved. So, when you submit something, it all happens within 5 minutes. You'll get a response whether, like, 99% you're okay type of thing. And it's based on— and if you're a checker and you cheque the spelling and the grammar and stuff, you get like a point, and those points end up turning into cash or vouchers for things.

Tommy: I like that.

Josh: So, it becomes a bit of a game where it's like these fucking Jonathan who spends his fucking time weaselling around can actually get a push notification and it can be push notification based, right? So, it could even be—

Tommy: Oh, I've got another dumbass to fix.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Oh, it's like, what's fucking Tommy written this time? But you could be like thinking, could be medical, like you could have people who know more stuff about medical things or video things and they can correct and it's just like, it's correcting on a grand scale because it's like you need 5 people to have highlighted this mistake for it to then proceed. But you could also have checkers that are internal. So say you work in social media, you could say that you need at least 3 people within your business to cheque it before it goes live.

Tommy: Yeah, I like it. Another— this is James and I, my mate in the office. We have a— we— it started out as I've got a million-dollar app idea. Now it's A million-dollar app idea is shit. It's a billion-dollar app idea.

Josh: A million-dollar app idea.

Tommy: A billion-dollar app idea. Here it is.

Josh: Um, did you like— but do you really think mine's good?

Tommy: It'd be quite hard. Lots of you— yeah, getting people on board, refining the how people actually make money. Yeah, because I don't think there's enough Jonathans out there just to do it for free. Okay, because he might have an incentive to find out. Yeah, okay, so it is— yeah, working that out.

Josh: The other one, very quickly, WikiCaption.. So, you can upload any video that you've made and people start filtering, people make changes. And wiki, the way wikis work, they're updatable by multiple people. So, that's why Wikipedia, you have different people. And so, what would happen is rather than using computer stuff, you actually have people around the world adding to wiki and you could do a private or public wiki. So, a private— sorry about the beeping, someone's reversing their truck. If you're— if you have a private wiki, it could just send it to your mates and they can update, or people within your team or clients can do the original captioning and then someone can go through and edit it.

Tommy: I thought that's where you're going with your first one, because I thought you're going to say people jump in, fix a mistake, and the quicker you get in to fix the mistake, the more points you earn. Yeah. And so, you're seeing it's like accept or accept.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Jonathan just earned a point because he saw mine.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so—

Josh: Fuck, that's even a better gamifying like that.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: This is a fucking sick idea. Yeah. Don't you think?

Tommy: So much work.

Josh: It is, isn't it?

Tommy: There's a lot of work in apps, but you know, I've got an app idea.

Josh: Go.

Tommy: I wanna run past you. So this came from the experience of Amy having to book in to see a specialist.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And she wanted it done pretty fucking quickly because, you know, she was worried and she wanted to see a specialist about something. The something doesn't matter, but it's like, For instance, if you do your knee today and you really wanna fucking see a really good knee doctor or just someone quickly to get your MRI done to then get your surgery done. I was calling around these places trying to get Amy to get a scan and I called maybe 5 and she called a few and you're finding the right times, blah, blah, blah. I thought of like basically an app where you jump on, you have a problem.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You put in what that problem is. Did my knee at soccer, dislocation. They reckon I need an MRI. So that's what you're getting. You're looking for an MRI. It sends it out. And what happens is there's some on-the-ground work from internal of the company. It's like Uber Eats, Uber Eats within a doctor's surgery. So they have a tablet that supplies—

Josh: So you've done your knee and then within half an hour you have a burrito.

Tommy: No, no, no.

Josh: That was the last bit.

Tommy: So you've got, you've got a tablet that gets put into doctor's surgeries or MRI clinics that want to show their availability.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No, they're not even showing availability. Cause I thought getting onto their system to see their availability would be the hard bit.

Josh: But the other bit is, um, putting it out there, like it's only about the job.

Tommy: And so people just go, we're available within the next 2 hours. Boom. And so it sends a notification back, do you want to be in Scoresby in half an hour? Well, I live in Glen Waverley, so it's not that far. Fuck, I get to get my MRI in half an hour. There's a chip off the top for the connector.

Josh: I do like that idea.

Tommy: And so you could— it could be anything from, fuck, I need to get a mole checked ASAP. Yeah, because I'm fucking worried about it. And then you boom, put it onto the app, do them. Sends it out, you accept the job, you've got your credit card into the app and the doctor surgery get paid instantly. You get your, you get your cheque and done.

Josh: I like it.

Tommy: Yeah, I like that too.

Josh: There's some, there's an app that I forgot what it's called that a friend was telling me yesterday. It's called like MealMate or something. There's some sort of one where it's like a bunch of cafes around Melbourne have like been a part of it and you, do you know what it's called?

Tommy: No, I don't, but I need to tell you something. Okay, Captain told me this yesterday.

Josh: Go.

Tommy: Uber Eats. Yeah, this is fucking interesting. Okay, James, uh, Captain told me that his brother on the weekend got a burger. So that I think they would have been sort of around the Brighton area, so you probably don't have as many, um, places to get if you're in Chapel Street or Collingwood because there's shitloads of really cool restaurants. They saw this thing pop up, they're like, oh, that's burger, we'll get a burger. It got to their place and it was a burger, but it was okay. People are starting their own kitchens at home and creating and using Uber Eats to deliver the food. So they're not actually—

Josh: standards though, right?

Tommy: You can get— so this— I know a house in Elwood that has a commercial kitchen in it because they're technically a bakery. Yeah, but what about if you got commercial ratings though?

Josh: It's all based on ratings.

Tommy: Yeah, but this is like a, what would you call it? Like a grey market. Like it becomes a market with the insider market.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, it's like people doing this stuff. It's like little, their own, say, mama's pasta, mama's pasta mix.

Josh: It's almost like what I remember being in Philippines, that was like a common thing, right? Where it's like, I think I've told you that before, where it's like, it's very, very common that every family sort of has their little business that they're running. So, If they're good cooks, you can go there and you pay and you eat at their house. We had Deliveroo the other day and we got it in a meal deal, right? We got a burger, fries, onion rings. Good deal. Good deal. Good deal.

Tommy: What day was this?

Josh: I don't know. Would have been just a fucking weekday. Would have been a Wednesday.

Tommy: Naughty, naughty hump day.

Josh: Hump day. Exactly. Anyway, we get the We get the food delivered. It's missing the onion rings. Bullshit. Right. Yeah. So what do you think the correct way to remedy that is? What do you think they should do in that circumstance?

Tommy: Credit you money back or give you new—

Josh: How do you work out how much you credit back?

Tommy: Well, based on the onion ring costs.

Josh: So what they did, I don't— I think this is fucking bullshit. So like whatever it would have been, like $40-something for this. Like we got 2 burgers. 2 chips and onion rings and a drink. Really living the dream. Don't get the onion rings. Bri was very sulky. She said, I sort of wish— well, no, I know that I wish that they gave us 1 fries and 1 onion rings rather than 2 fucking fries.

Tommy: That makes sense, Bri. I agree with you.

Josh: When I say Bri, it was probably me. The funny thing was They were like, there was only two options. You could get a credit instantly from Deliveroo or you could wait 10 days to get money back. Bree's like, okay, I'll just get money back. Clicks on it. The refund that she got, what do you think? Out of a $44 thing, what would you allow for the onion rings?

Tommy: $5 minimum.

Josh: A dollar. What?

Tommy: That's— that doesn't make sense. How do you—

Josh: Isn't that the most fucked up thing you've ever heard?

Tommy: That doesn't make sense. How did they acquire—

Josh: how did they— so Bri ended up emailing them about it.

Tommy: That's what's great about working for somebody else, being full-time employed. You can do shit like that.

Josh: She was literally doing it on the clock with Full Stack when we were in Auckland. I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, emailing Deliveroo. Well, she won't let this shit go. But, um, yeah, that fucking annoyed me a little bit.

Tommy: That is bullshit. I know that you've got money back from Uber.

Josh: Uber a bit more Uber Eats used to be— so I reckon, so when Uber Eats first started, I was a beta tester on Uber Eats. So Bri and I both got a $200 voucher to use. We probably used it within a few days because we were having it breakfast, lunch, and dinner, right? We spent a few grand on it in like over a couple of months. It would have been like, I think it was like $1,800, maybe $2,000 over 2 months.

Tommy: Anyway, the, um, because they weren't charging delivery Credit card, you're not that much of a baller.

Josh: Yeah, and you were, you were, yeah, I was just racking up Uber Eats debt and the best kind of debt. Yeah, how they say good debt, bad debt. Uber Eats, good debt. Anyway, they, um, they were at that time, they were at a point where they were testing everything because we're beta testers, obviously. So if the delivery draw at the beginning, the drivers had to, it was policy that they were meant to bring the food to the door.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Here's the thing, there's not parking around our place, so they'll never deliver to the door. And so every time I'd be like, did not deliver to the door, and they would apologise and give us like sometimes a complete refund, sometimes $20 credit. Fuck. The amount of credits that I got, and you could see as they went more mainstream, they just fucking, they obviously had a budget aside for credits and then they slowly just, um, got rid of them. What's your favourite takeaway? Like, what's your—

Tommy: mate, we don't get to— we live so close to shops.

Josh: I mean, so do we.

Tommy: You're a fucking lazy cunt.

Josh: Yeah, it's true.

Tommy: I love you. Um, but it—

Josh: I love that that was almost merged into one set. Fucking lazy cunt, but I love you.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. And what have I— I'm actually tight-ass too. I, I don't want to pay for anything.

Josh: Have you always been a tight-ass or ever since you've had a kid?

Tommy: No, we would definitely pretty loose, Amy and I, for a while, eating out heaps and just wasting our money.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you definitely have refined it a bit, but I don't, I don't want to pay $5 delivery fee. My point is it is so close. So I just, the justification is not non-existent. Cause I go, we're walking down, we're getting a pizza, which is 200 metres from our house. We could walk and get Thai, fuck, whatever we want.

Josh: I feel like we're just in Abbotsford where we are. You'd probably agree. We're just outside, like, There's a few options. You've got Dr. Morse, Rita's, and that was actually something I was going to say before. Rita's are an example of a shop, a restaurant that's opened up a second kitchen, which is just servicing delivery, like Uber Eats. And so, they just rock that sort of thing.

Tommy: The Jimmy Grant's in St. Kilda, I think pretty much—

Josh: Do they have one in St. Kilda?

Tommy: Yeah, it opened up. But for ages, they had the kitchen running, it just wasn't open. But there was Uber driver after Deliveroo driver after— Fudora driver going in, grabbing their food because they were just servicing the local area. So you could probably get down to like midway to almost a ham— you probably get 5-8 Ks from St. Kilda to service all that area with Uber Eats that then would connect up to the other one, which is near. So it was a good idea. So it's, it's amazing sitting in a store and you hear the do-ring. Yeah, it's like the cash money coming through.

Josh: I think something— Oh, there's a burger place in Abbotsford. They spent a lot on their fit-out and a mate went there. I think the chef said, or like the owner said something like 80% of the business was Uber Eats.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: And they'd fucking just spent all this money on this like crazy fit-out to make—

Tommy: They've converted actually into a parking bay for Uber drivers.

Josh: Exactly. How about this? There's actually a supermarket in the States that have banned Amazon. I think it's like, I think it's Amazon that from like parking. So, I think that there's a, there's certain companies now that like they're, you know, buying groceries or doing different shit and they've like, I feel like I've butchered this story.

Tommy: Hang on, Amazon do delivery for groceries in the States?

Josh: Yeah, but I don't completely understand. I'm going to Quickly Google it. But the— What I was seeing in the States is there's like, there's these services where you can get people to come and like buy your groceries and they just go to regular stores, get— They're wearing t-shirts and shit and they fucking go and collect the stuff. And you can rate them, I think. So, like, you want like a good person who's going to get the best avocados and shit like this.

Tommy: That's cool.

Josh: But yeah, no, I remember seeing This, yeah, the car park banning. Did we mention yesterday about Uber killing the self-driving car?

Tommy: An autonomous— Autonomous, what car was it?

Josh: Uber? No, it was Uber. It was an autonomous Uber car.

Tommy: Which means it needs someone in the car, but it can drive by itself.

Josh: Yeah. So, regular— At the moment they're having like fucking people in the, in the car just sort of keep keeping an eye out on it. But a lady crossed the road, 10 PM, jaywalking.

Tommy: Well, she was on a bike, wasn't she? I saw a photo.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: Oh, bike on the ground.

Josh: Oh, really? No, I just, I read 10 PM pedestrian.

Tommy: This is the hard thing.

Josh: News.

Tommy: For progression in this world is a few casualties.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay. And that's such a, like, what is it? Like a, um, fuck, I'm so brain dead from today. But like, it's a, it's like the thought. Have you heard that? I'll just quickly do this. Uber, sorry, Google Drive car is like, uh, they're talking about autonomous vehicles that are fully autonomous by themselves. They have the option of crashing into one person or four people.

Josh: Oh yeah. So it's the morality.

Tommy: Yeah. Morality. That's the fucking word.

Josh: Wordy. So, it's like, yeah, it's deciding on, okay, if there's— Can the car pick up? All right, there's an 80-year-old and a 20-year-old and it's in a position where it swerves left or swerves right.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Does it know that it probably should knock out the 80-year-old because it's only got a few years left?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It's crazy. It got real dark, didn't it? But is that the— Do you think that's the eff— Like, is that the—

Tommy: I think that's what they're having to think about.

Josh: Would that be your approach? It's a terrible thing to think about because you're having to kill—

Tommy: Would that be anything more than this right now? Yeah. That makes sense.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Based around if your measurement is years left in life.

Josh: Yeah. And so I guess that's the area that we don't know is like, what are we gauging? Does the— Maybe we could, maybe we could really gamify and actually make karma a thing. So you have a certain amount of karma points, the car knows how many karma points you have. So you returning the wallet might be enough just to do the swerve on the other way.

Tommy: But it is just a bunch of maths equations. These cars are doing so, so many equations per second. Like they're scanning the car in front and they can see the car 2 2 things ahead, so they're making judgments.

Josh: Yeah, well, they're amazing. It's using that like radar tech or whatever it is, sonar. I can't remember which one. The fucking amazing thing that I've seen, you can type it in, like type in like YouTube, on YouTube, like Tesla car accident detection or whatever. Have you seen this where a Tesla, like it beeps, right, when you get too close to a car? You know how you're saying it can see a few cars ahead? It can pick up if there's going to be a car crash ahead. So, there's this video and you can see this shit all like heaps of YouTube videos if you type it in, driving along in a Tesla, the cars in front of you have a collision before they have a collision, your Tesla goes beep beep beep beep beep beep and slows down because the car in front of the other car, they've gotten too close to one another. So they're about to potentially crash and your Tesla knows that.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And slows down. Fucking amazing.

Tommy: It's actually Elon Musk in a helicopter. Yeah, he's looking down.

Josh: Binoculars, mate. Yeah, fucking set it off. Isn't that insane? Would you— I've always wondered this, like, what do you— how well do you think you need to be doing to drop $100K on a car? Like, $100K isn't— is a lot of money, but it's not like exorbitant amount of money.

Tommy: Yeah, when you've got a, um, a business that's doing okay, how much like to spend over— you need to—

Josh: do you think you need to own a house to buy a Tesla?

Tommy: Nah, there'd be plenty of people who don't own a house that have Teslas.

Josh: It's priorities, right? Yeah, you'd want some fucking money in the bank. You wouldn't want to be taking out—

Tommy: also, a business can buy a Tesla. Yeah, a business can't buy a house.

Josh: Yeah, sure. I didn't know all this stuff. I don't know all that stuff.

Tommy: Well, you can't write a house off.

Josh: Yeah, just on your work.

Tommy: So that's all I'm meaning. Yeah, yeah, money from the business can buy a house certainly, but so it can become a business expense, your car, because you're driving to and from work and there's depreciation, all those things which you can't get with the house. So that's probably why heaps of business owners have nice cars.

Josh: But it is, maybe I should buy a car, maybe I should buy, maybe fuck this, maybe this trip, maybe I'll get a Tesla. But I agree, we're not going to Europe, but we can go on really nice Great Ocean Road trips.

Tommy: Search Sam Harris on Google talking about autonomous vehicles. He's a very smart guy, similar to Josh and I.

Josh: Very similar wavelength.

Tommy: Talking about, talking about this stuff and talking about morality, morality, and also VR. Artificial intelligence and some scary shit that is awesome to listen to. I'm down. I need food.

Josh: Bri just texted me, what do you want from Uber Eats? We better go. Everyone, it's The Daily Talk Show. Remember, send us an email and feel free to correct Tommy's spelling. It's hi, that's h-i, at thedailytalkshow.com. And we have that PO box too, which we cheque nearly every day. It's PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. We'll see you tomorrow.

Tommy: Bye.