Nachos In A Microwave

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad.

Josh: That's crazy! We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys. Hi guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show episode 977.

Tommy: Happy— what is it, Thursday?

Josh: Feels like Wednesday.

Tommy: Feels like midnight because it's 6:30. It is 6:30 AM. It's still dark here in Melbourne where we are. Bit of an early one this morning.

Josh: Yeah, it's just after 6 AM. Thanks for joining us. Getting up early, things can sometimes be a little bit harder or it's just like, you know, you're getting your clothes. Nothing more annoying. I feel like this would definitely have happened to you. You have washed clothes. You grab them and for some reason they have a smell to it, like they've got some damp smell.

Tommy: Yeah. Very annoying.

Josh: Any tips?

Tommy: Is that you right now?

Josh: No, no, no. So, no, I'm really happy that I found a shirt that wasn't, but I was pissed off because I sort of had done a big wash. But then the other thing too is—

Tommy: Wait, there's a few key facts that need to be— Okay.

Josh: I'll tell you what happened. Did a key wash on— So, it's Thursday now, would have been Monday.

Tommy: Well, it's a public holiday, so—

Josh: Yeah. Put them out. Out— No, it wasn't Monday. It must have been Sunday. It was when it was an okay day weather-wise and I was wrapped and I put it in the backyard because I was like, we'd had some problems when we just leave it, when we leave the laundry indoors. And so, I put it outside for a day and then by— Or I probably put the washing on outside at about 2 PM and then By the end of— Sorry, by the start of the next day, I think I brought it in. Right. That can't be right.

Tommy: Mate, you just get to the point. You got rained on.

Josh: No, it didn't get rained on. This is what I'm trying to say.

Tommy: So, it didn't dry.

Josh: So, it didn't. It hasn't been rained on. And so then—

Tommy: That was a long way to get to that.

Josh: No, but I brought it in. But this is the big part of the story. This is the bit that everyone's been waiting for. You ready for it?

Tommy: Fucking, I hope. I hope I haven't been waiting for it.

Josh: So, Yes, I'm waiting for it to finish.

Tommy: If it's finishing now, this is good.

Josh: Yesterday, Bree smelled my clothes and said that it smelled, and she put it back on the wash for me whilst I was, um, at work. And so I came— I was assuming that I, this morning, I would wake up to fresh clothes, but we're having real issues.

Tommy: You know, this— I mean, with the, the muddiness of that story, something's missing there because Because this only happens, only happens to clothes that have either been left in the washing machine for a period of time.

Josh: We've washed the washing machine. We've washed the washing machine as well. But so, you know, when you like get washing done overseas or whatever and they have a spray. Have you seen this?

Tommy: No.

Josh: They have a spray they use, like a aerosol spray.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: That they put on the clothes after it, which is like a nice laundry smell.

Tommy: Never seen that. Never seen it.

Josh: Really? Okay. I'm wondering whether that's a thing.

Tommy: Maybe. Nah, it's nothing to do with that. My top smells fine. If anything, I'm the anomaly in the smell.

Josh: Well, so it has—

Tommy: Because I stink.

Josh: It's the new place that we're staying at. And so, I don't know, like—

Tommy: Well, I think it— Nah, it's something. It's human error. It's—

Josh: I don't think it is.

Tommy: Your washing machine is smarter than you.

Josh: No, we're doing so many, like, different versions. It's like maybe—

Tommy: So, every load stinks.

Josh: No, but it's like—

Tommy: All your clothes.

Josh: Yeah, no, it's probably half the time it stinks and then half the time I think we get lucky. But that's why I think that it was an outside job thing. Yeah. If you do it outside, it was fine.

Tommy: Well, have you got a dryer?

Josh: It's part of the washer. Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, it's a washer dryer.

Josh: But I don't trust—

Tommy: Never trust a washer dryer.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's a good piece of advice.

Josh: Yeah. No, I don't trust dryers in general.

Tommy: Dude.

Josh: There's no such thing as a shortcut.

Tommy: Dude, drying, a dryer saved our life.

Josh: Do you remember those Everlane, that t-shirt? Were you drying that? Because that—

Tommy: What Everlane?

Josh: Was it Everlane?

Tommy: Oh, no, that was just a cooked t-shirt, I reckon. Like some of them, like, you know, like the neck, the seam of the neck just cooks. Like if that, you know, gets hit by a dryer. It's like I said, I don't want a dish in my house that can't be put in the dishwasher.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I don't want clothes that can't be dried by a dryer. But you want necks. We paid fucking $1,300. I didn't know this. Amy bought it. I appreciate it for a dryer.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Clothes dryer.

Josh: Just the dryer.

Tommy: Just the dryer, dude. This thing better last us 25 years. I know. It better last us 25 years.

Josh: What's the deal?

Tommy: Well, this is how much they cost. This is how much they cost. It's a big one, but it's got a drawer that you pull out. And it's this big container that it absorbs, it takes all of the moisture from the clothes. Remember back in the day you'd walk into your— Not sure if you had one, but we had this shitty old thing on the wall and it was like an industrial one. But, you know, it almost looked like a toy compared to an industrial one. Same vibe, though. Open the door, just close in and it starts working instantly. Just, dush, grrr, just tumbling. I love it.

Josh: That was a fine.

Tommy: I love it. But that would make the whole laundry wet, like the whole thing, like the walls, you know, like moisture in there. It was like a shower. Yeah. And so, this thing takes it into a drawer and then you pull the drawer out and it's just got like this little hole up on the top left-hand side. You go over and you pour it into the sink. It's so satisfying, like pouring out all the water that came out of your clothes and then you chuck it back in. This thing is amazing, dude.

Josh: And so, you dry over everything?

Tommy: So, the thing with doing next— We're doing 4 loads sometimes. Because like, this t-shirt's old. This is fucked. This is not my good one.

Josh: Okay. Because I always, I think that like I've been thinking a lot about t-shirts and like just having less stuff. And, and so I'm trying to find, because the thing is I was getting away for a while with a lot of merino stuff, right? Like, so I was doing the merino wool thing.

Tommy: It's because you were washing it, getting away with it. What do you mean?

Josh: Well, no, this is what I mean. So, when I was travelling I had, like, I was—

Tommy: When were you last traveling?

Josh: I know, I know, this is the thing. This guy, this is why we're in a pandemic for fucking— But this is the thing, I'm still referencing the clothes that I was wearing then. And so—

Tommy: Oh, because you were wearing the clothes from the traveling?

Josh: No, because remember, I— the reason why I got all of these merino t-shirts was designed for this nomadic lifestyle where it's like, we— like, I would— I had maybe 10 or 6 or 7 t-shirts that were all this woollen prints, merino. I talked about a lot. They were a blend, a merino blend rather than just merino wool. And I didn't wash them that much like we could get away with. And that's probably why that whole spray— I have more references of laundry traveling, washing, fold in the States. Yes, exactly.

Tommy: Exactly.

Josh: And so anyway, but I'm trying to like, I want to be like Yeah, the— no, I'm not gonna go out and say I'm the laundry guy because I'm definitely not the laundry guy yet. But I was like, I was anticipating the issues with the, um, with the smell. And so I was watching a lot of YouTube on the weekend of people like how to make things smell, how to troubleshoot. You know, nothing great. But the concern— so what I was going to say is the t-shirt thing. I'm trying to find t-shirts that will do well over a long period of time.

Tommy: Yeah, sure. There is something that probably solves it, vinegar.

Josh: They do suggest that, putting that in the washing machine.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely. We do it. So, it's— How is vinegar? Vinegar is like this—

Josh: Magic.

Tommy: Magic. Like, we have vinegar and mix it with bicarb, and then you've just got some fucking amazing— Like, because we're dealing with so much washing and not lately in terms of Bodhi's sheets because he hasn't been wetting the bed.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Let's clap him. Hasn't been wetting the bed. 4-year-old starting to get nappy trained. Like he's starting to get toilet trained. I mean, as in not wetting the bed. He can take himself to the toilet now, which is very good. But you sometimes walk in—

Josh: Can he wipe his ass?

Tommy: Yeah, he can actually. I don't trust it.

Josh: That's very good.

Tommy: Don't trust it.

Josh: Okay, sure. How do you know when you will trust it?

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: It's just a fucking good question though, isn't it? It's like there's going to be some point where you trust him.

Tommy: I know, because I mean, you can get 5, 6, 7. I once watched, um, Embarrassing Bodies, that show, and this guy came in and had his ass inspected, and Dr. Christian just said to him, you need to revisit your wiping technique. He thought he had a leaking asshole. Yes, but he just couldn't wipe his ass properly.

Josh: I think that I reckon Can I have those—

Tommy: that's contract back that I signed. I don't want that going out. Sorry, Josh, you actually just don't know how to wipe your asshole. There's no medical issue.

Josh: That was a popular episode though too, because that was— I've seen that half a dozen times. Don't you think that was that specific episode?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so Bodhi's not pissing the bed, which is great.

Tommy: Well, you can walk in and if he has done it, it can— it's— if you're a parent Or if you've pissed the bed and then you've slept in it for quite some time, there's something toxic about this. It turns toxic. Yes. It turns like it's a chemical in the air. And so, that's—

Josh: Someone's brewing something.

Tommy: Seriously. Seriously, dude. And then—

Josh: Fermented, probably.

Tommy: Yeah, it's like fermented.

Josh: It's probably alcohol. He's probably producing alcohol in there.

Tommy: Mate. And so, then the smell in the sheets, how do you get that out? Because it doesn't just— One wash with detergent, you know, powders doesn't do it. So, you need— vinegar pour, you know, poured into it. So, but Amy does the vinegar clean on a lot of things. But even like— Vinegar clean.

Josh: So, you just add vinegar to the washing machine? No, but like as in with the clothes in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Tommy: You can do that.

Josh: I could be the vinegar guy.

Tommy: That can, yeah, that can neutralise some of the smells. And so, I don't know, you got to try anything at this point.

Josh: And the videos were so bad on YouTube.

Tommy: What are they?

Josh: Just like— It's just like, hey, it's John here, had an issue with Yeah, I think it's like a lot of people being like, oh, you know what? Like, I think I'm pretty good at washing. I'm going to start a YouTube channel. But they just talk like there's not much to it, right? Like at the end of the day, they put these, you know, it's a fragrance patch or something in the dryer or the washing machine or whatever. But they're like, it becomes a 12-minute video of them just talking about it. You know, sometimes there's nothing better. The reason why I put all the stuff outside was because I watched a woman speak for 12 minutes about how there's nothing better than the smell of fresh air on your clothes. And she'd created a room.

Tommy: What does fresh air smell like?

Josh: Just clean. But she even created a room. Yeah, she created a room in her house where she would open up all the doors, like she could open the doors in the room and she would put a dehumidifier on and that would help as well. So anyway, it's just top of mind at the moment. If anyone, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, have you got any suggestions? Because it would be nice to be able to, with confidence, and I've thought about also like for my family, but like with confidence, be able to clean the cloth, you know, get my clothes done by me. The fragrance thing though, I feel like there's families that have this certain fragrance. I remember, you know.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't think it's thought about like that though. It's just what washing detergent.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Do we get, what powder we get. But I reckon if we did a sniff test in the office.

Josh: I think we've spoken about this.

Tommy: But like if there was just 3 t-shirts, the same one, but had been washed by George, Jess or myself, I'd put my money on it that you could pick my one. Not even that you know my smell, but just that it just becomes, you know, it's on people. You just. You just start just, it's just vibing. You don't even sort of necessarily, I don't ride over, you know, Josh is, mm, smelling like a bit florally today. Like, yeah, it just gets embedded in my mind. And then I reckon I could sniff your top out. Like, even Bodhi, when we're at daycare, like, I sniff sometimes. That sounds weird. No, but sometimes, like, clothes get put in his bag. I'm like, is this his? Yeah, is this actually his? And then I'm like, nah, not his. And so I know if the only Issue is if some other parent got that clothes in their bag and then washed it and then took it back and put it inside. Fucking, I'm like a, like a, you know, a real primal German Shepherd, you know, cop dog that's lost his scent. Just fucking bit tweaked, like, what's going on? What's going on?

Josh: I also made nachos last night.

Tommy: Mate, they look— the The ingredients look good.

Josh: The ingredients look good.

Tommy: But they're all the right stuff.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: But nightmare. Yeah.

Josh: The microwave just for some reason.

Tommy: You might. Hang on. You used a microwave for your nachos?

Josh: Yeah. Well, this is the thing. I've always used a microwave.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: For the nachos.

Tommy: But you grew up having Doritos as your base of nachos. Yeah.

Josh: Well, the thing was, I just thought, like, microwave's way less fuss. I know.

Tommy: Than an oven, don't you think?

Josh: But no, but I'm also that guy. Like, I am the guy, like, when I was a kid, hated soggy stuff. I was like, put everything should go in the oven, right? It tastes better in the oven. But then, yeah, I just had a moment where I put, prepared the nachos and then I was like, actually, I don't know. What?

Tommy: I was just thinking last night I was like, oh, fucking JJ's, you know, getting the ingredients to cook his miso, really nice sort of homemade nachos.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then you fuck it by using the microwave.

Josh: But I, well, I was going, I was going, so I nearly got a, uh, Jess was talking yesterday about how, um, she uses like a baking tray.

Tommy: Same.

Josh: And I couldn't find a baking tray.

Tommy: Oh, you don't have one?

Josh: We do have one, but, um, Bri, uh, Bri had, had gone to the, to the shops. And so, she was like, oh, you know what, I'll get some form of dessert for us, something small, cute. They were like little, uh, chocolate love heart things. Uh, she will do that while I cook. And so I didn't want to be like, ah, where's this, where's that? And also Bree doesn't cook that much either, so we don't— like, we both, like, we take a little bit.

Tommy: Phone calls better than coming home to soggy nachos.

Josh: So what's the soggy— so where it went wrong, uh, for people playing at home was that the The plate broke in half in the microwave.

Tommy: How long did you put it in the microwave for?

Josh: Put it for 2 minutes and then did another 2 minutes. And on the second 2 minutes, about a minute in, so 3 minutes in total, I heard a pop. And I actually was like, oh, it's like— But I was watching the cheese sort of the bottom was becoming sort of lava.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Whereas, sorry, the bottom. Did I say the top? The bottom was becoming larvarous, but the top— Where all the chips are. Yeah.

Tommy: The top— The cheeses.

Josh: Because I always feel like people are too stingy on the cheese. And so, I sort of do a little bottom layer and then like every single, like I do like for every 4 corn chips.

Tommy: Yeah. No, I appreciate it.

Josh: And so anyway, yeah, it was looking like it was still going, but then yeah, I got to take it out of the microwave and only half the plate.

Tommy: It was very annoying.

Josh: And so, um, I don't know what the lesson is.

Tommy: Like, the lessons— don't use a microwave for— here's what you need to do, um, preheat oven, even fan-forced, preheat. Yeah, because if you get it up 160, 170 preheated, and then you, you chuck your tray in with your nut, like, it just gets through the layers. If you're doing the multiple cheese, it gets like multiple levels. Gets to it all.

Josh: I just don't know how quick— because the other thing, the groceries for the nachos, $30.

Tommy: Yeah, but the problem— so I've been catering our shoots the last couple of days with some Brekkie Birches.

Josh: They've been delicious.

Tommy: You see, it's an upfront expense, but then by the time you've made 8 Birches and it's cost $30, think about that.

Josh: So, but I need to have nachos 3 days in a row to make that really worthwhile, don't you think?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: But even 12, like, so sorry, even if it was, um, 2 days in a row to be able to get the money's worth of the nachos.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Who, yeah, is like, say if you were ever delivering, getting stuff delivered, would you be like, you know what, I know we had nachos last night, but I want it again tonight?

Tommy: Did you have— Yeah, I've done that. It's sickening. Um, but did you have meat in it?

Josh: No. So, 2 avocados. 2 avocados.

Tommy: 30 bucks. Yeah.

Josh: The avocados was great. The guacamole, red onion, a spring onion because I was— I panicked. Didn't need the spring onion. I used a red onion.

Tommy: So, you've sunk cost.

Josh: Yeah. This is the problem with doing boring stuff. I'm boring the fuck out of myself describing these ingredients.

Tommy: No, but all I'm trying to look at is when you're buying stuff, I preempt. So, So I get all the ingredients for nachos. I also make the meat with the onions and the black beans and the salsa all together. But then that makes me 4 or 5 other meals.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: As well as the meat or the, you know, the coating for the nachos. I don't just go out and buy $30 of ingredients for nachos, but then I also don't do them in the microwave.

Josh: Yeah, it was— it wasn't very good, but just good to be back in the game.

Tommy: Yeah, it is, mate.

Josh: You know, just, you know, And so I feel like then I got confident and I was like, you know what, like, I'm gonna have the guys around for a barbie. Like, I'm starting to— even though it was such a loss, we could still eat them. Like, we sort of— I got the two plates and put them together under another plate and then tipped the thing into a bowl.

Tommy: Yeah, I tell you, there is nothing worse. And if this has ever happened to you, you'll fucking feel my pain. If you're cooking And you've got, say, bolognese. That's a big one. Or even like a nacho base, so the mix or the taco, you know, beef. And something chips, like a piece of glass chips and it goes into the mix.

Josh: Not good.

Tommy: If you have a kid, you're like, I can't, like, how? How can you then serve that up? You're stressing about it, like even a shard of glass, like. It's ruined. I've thrown a whole meal out, like a whole, probably $30 of food.

Josh: What about like best-befores? I was telling you how all the black beans that I bought in my pantry—

Tommy: Best before is exactly that. They're just saying it's best before. Used by is what you're looking for.

Josh: Exactly. No, but so what's the— What's your limit on a best before?

Tommy: Depends on what aisle you're in. So, if you're in the frozen food section—

Josh: So, like the canned bean aisle.

Tommy: Mate, you could eat. I saw a guy, this YouTuber, Aussie guy, doesn't build a treehouse. Yeah, but I'm just— this outlines fucking how resilient your guts can be. He was doing these big walks, like 50Ks, and he was finding— have you ever seen a bottle of Pepsi or Coke that has been left on the ground or in the sun and it loses its colour? It goes from black to like a caramelly colour or whatever. Piss colour.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It looks like piss. This guy drank this for views. Well, he reckons it's like if you needed water, if you needed liquids, you could go to this and it's usually not going to be that bad for you. Like, you're not going to— He's not a scientist. He's a guy that builds treehouses.

Josh: Yeah. But in a weird flex for him.

Tommy: But he's— But I was like, oh my God, I've thought about that. Like, oh. Like, yeah, but he was fine. He reckons he's fine. So, your use by on— Oh, so, your best before on cans. I reckon you've got a couple of months. I mean, Jess Lucas thinks that you've got a couple of months of your stir-fry left in the fridge.

Josh: Well, yeah. Well, she cooked something on Wednesday.

Tommy: Last week.

Josh: And then expected to eat it on Tuesday. Nearly a week and it had meat. It's all—

Tommy: She dances with the devil.

Josh: It's not worth it, you know.

Tommy: I mean, this is— Amy does too. But I have to just come in because she's pregnant. You can't do that. She's less about it now. But like, yeah, she was.

Josh: What's the mindset of someone that's doing that?

Tommy: I don't know. I think if you haven't got sick before.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Don't want to waste. But if you haven't got sick before and you're like, I can do that. Eat leftovers for days and days. Here's the thing. You go and eat a sandwich from a little bodega or something, you know, like a little corner store. How long has that chicken been there? How long has that roasted chook that you're putting into your sanga been there? How long has that cheese slice been there? Like a lot of it's daily, but there is probably a few days between. It's, you know.

Josh: Well, we were at a school and you were saying that a parent was complaining at the office about a use-by date or best before of a chocolate bar.

Tommy: Oh, they said use-by, but who knows? I mean, the thing is, I've eaten chocolate That is so old. But somehow it's, I don't know. I just, I think if there's meat involved, fucking look at yourself.

Josh: Dairy, like—

Tommy: Dairy, look at yourself.

Josh: Yeah. But even like milk chocolate, I got a chocolate bar on our road trip to the Twelve Apostles, Port Campbell. Is that the— Yeah. In Port Campbell, went to the servo where I nearly ran out of petrol. Felt like I deserved a chocolate bar after that. Bought one, picked it up, felt that it didn't feel like the shape that it should be.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: But got it anyway. And it was like an abomination. It was like gone white powdery. Oh, yeah. And I ate it anyway. Yeah. What a sad fuck I am. And I ate it. And I sort of misinterpreted the whole— So, I'd forgotten that I'd said, oh, there's an ice cream shop down there. We can get ice cream. Right. And so, I go into the servo. To get the petrol, and, uh, D'Avella's getting some waters or whatever. And I said, ah, do you like— you do you want anything? Like, you should get a chocolate bar or whatever. He's like, I'm thinking about getting ice cream. I was like, oh yeah, cool. And in my head I thought he meant ice cream at the servo. I forgot about the, the nice ice cream shop. So I get the fucking chocolate bar, it's already like fucking eating it as I'm going. And then like 30 seconds later we're in an ice cream shop and I'm ordering ice cream. What sort of animal am I?

Tommy: It's— yeah, you're not You're a nachos in the microwave animal. Yeah, I've done— look, the nacho thing, I've done it when I'm desperate.

Josh: Which bit?

Tommy: The nachos in the microwave.

Josh: No, the part of the microwave bit wasn't meant to be anything crazy. That's how Mum and Dad made them.

Tommy: Yeah, I know. And so they also did use Doritos. Yeah, you've upgraded to—

Josh: I mean, Jess uses CeeCee's.

Tommy: Does she?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, she likes CeeCee's.

Tommy: She's really broken her diet. Yeah, you know, she's fucking letting loose.

Josh: Do you think there's any difference?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But no, just salt contents, sugar in the season. Like, all those chips have sugar in them.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: It's just it— you can do a version of nachos that are somewhat healthy.

Josh: Anyway, the big thing, and this is the pushback I had over the weekend with myself, I think I may have mentioned it on yesterday's show about like progress, like when I'm making progress and I'm like, oh, maybe I make this a thing. And one of them was Um, is there a subscription service out there on like how to be a grown-up?

Tommy: Sure, there is.

Josh: Like, it would be great.

Tommy: It was called Almost 13 Years of School.

Josh: No, but you don't learn all that stuff. Nah, you do not learn. You do cooking? Home economics. Yeah, but like, not a crazy— Like, it was all about the teacher just trying to keep everyone in control. Like, Everyone fucking—

Tommy: How the fuck do kids learn then? Like, it's school, it's home.

Josh: It's hard. Like, I think it's home. But like, the thing is, I wasn't very good, you know, household of 3 boys. It was— I don't think we did a great job of instilling— Like, I think what Mum and Dad would say is like, oh, the boys just wouldn't fucking do anything. But not to say what I would do if I was a parent, but like, isn't there like a certain amount of like discipline around like, you gotta fucking do, you gotta fucking, you gotta do the washing. Like, I can't believe that I didn't do it. Like, I didn't do the washing, I didn't do chores. And the thing, it's like, it's very rich to be like, ah, what are you doing, Mum and Dad? I should have been doing the chores.

Tommy: But I reckon if you were single as an adult, yeah, for longer, you probably— fuck, you might not have. But it's like, I live by myself, I was single and having to cook my own. Like, who else is gonna do it? I didn't have enough money to buy food out every night.

Josh: But I like it. And so, the thing is that I would, and I'm not just saying this out of the novelty of it, I always feel better when I'm contributing and I'm doing stuff and all that sort of thing. And so, I was thinking it'd be great to have a—

Tommy: There's a fallback. There's a fallback. When you have a partner, you can rely on them a bit more. I rely on Amy.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Like I spread, we spread the load. When you didn't have to do that and it was all you, when you didn't have the option of that.

Josh: And because we don't even cook because Bri was like, when was the last time we actually cooked? Like we don't fucking cook at all. But I would like to, like, I would like to do all these things. But I think that things like washing, dishwashing, dialing. No, not even. Oh yeah, but like, yeah, dishwasher. So like every fucking dishwasher is different and then it stacks fucking differently.

Tommy: But this is once you use yours, you're not living in 6 houses and get to know your dishwasher.

Josh: Yeah. So this is, this is what I'm saying. Get to know your dishwasher is fucking a great headline. How do you get to know your dishwasher?

Tommy: Use it. How do you get to know your girlfriend? Use it. No, hang out with it. What's up? What are you up to today? No, just hanging with my dishwasher. No, but the thing, the thing with the dishwasher is it's like, love it, clean it.

Josh: But so many times Bray's like, oh my God, why'd you put a bowl in there like that? That's gonna fill up with water. I'm like, how the fuck else can you put it up?

Tommy: Because you need some lessons.

Josh: But the thing is that they're like a— the dishwasher that I had versus the dishwasher that I have now is different. So I think that they— and so I think creatively I'm like, oh, you know what, I can probably stack it like this. But surely we can have some form of universal knowledge around this. So I think about—

Tommy: it's interest level. How do you know SEO? How can you rank a site number 1 on Google in a tricky industry, but you can't fucking stack a dishwasher. It's—

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: It's the same as like, I don't—

Josh: They're not flying hours, but that's what I'm saying. I want to like, if I can get into the flying, I don't, I don't believe that I'm just bad at this. Like, you know, people say I'm bad at cooking, I'm bad at this. It's like, no, you just haven't put in the time and effort.

Tommy: Well, I've put in the time and effort and never talked about it. And then that's how it works.

Josh: But that's the whole point.

Tommy: Because if we did a series of Josh Learns to Adult, cheque one year later, you'd be on the streets.

Josh: No, but don't you think, though, that there should, like, how good it would be to have a subscription? Think about when you were a single guy. What?

Tommy: I mean, it's the one bit is men, I would be defeated if I had to use a service like that. In my mind, I'd be disappointed in myself.

Josh: So, how do you learn that stuff?

Tommy: You just do it. You just have to. Like, we had a dishwasher at home. We'd stack it every now and then. Like, of course, I push back. Kids push back. I think the deal you're in with children is push back on chores, but you need them to do it. And so, yeah, you're asking how do you get them to? How do you learn otherwise? It's like, how'd you learn to fucking— But isn't that a defeat? Is that like—

Josh: So I'm not, I'm not, um, creating excuses because I know people that don't like doing any of that shit. But the thing is, like, so, oh, the amount of people that will say, oh my God, like, what a fucking— Like, what a privileged fuck. Like, just do the whole thing. But the other thing is, like, there's another side of the coin, which is Oh, there's a reason why I'm not doing it. And like, if you address it, like, so I watched a, um, which is what, if you, uh, it's, it's thinking, okay, everyone thinks differently. What is in— what works for one person doesn't work for someone else.

Tommy: And so what is the— because that's not, that's not really an answer, like, in terms of why you don't do it. I reckon it's because you think there's other things that are way more important for you to be spending your time on. Than doing dishes.

Josh: I actually don't think it, like, I think about it and it's not even that. It's that I am thinking about the, like, when I think about what needs to be done, that feels way bigger to me. It's way easier. All the other things I do, do like doing work, doing video editing is way easier for me than knowing, okay, am I going to fuck this? Like, if I go like, it's like the microwave, like the thing with the nachos thing. Is like, surely it's just— because I thought in the moment, like, hmm, actually, you know what, maybe I should wait and like consult with Bri whether I put this in the microwave. I did it. I was like, fucking, like, grow up, just do it. And the problem is that I fucking ended up breaking a plate in half.

Tommy: But you learn by breaking. But so you learn by this, you learn by the amount of bowls of Oats that I've overflowed. Is that right? Overflowed? Overflowed in the microwave. Countless. That doesn't get to me. Just go back, do it again.

Josh: But like, I think that like, you know, it would be great to have, not like it, but even think about the spectrum of things you hear about, like people who's like, oh yeah, their nonna taught them about X, Y and Z. If we can get that information. And put it on some form of like, I just want to follow a nonna or something on fucking YouTube. It's like, this is how you do.

Tommy: Look deep enough, they're just not in the algorithm. They're not. They've got 100 subs.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Is there anyone out there?

Josh: Yeah. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you've got any suggestions on specifically, I need help with the washing thing. The vinegar thing is a great idea, so I'll give that a go. Right. Have a good one, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.