The Fun Of Video Production

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad.

Josh: That's crazy! We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys! Hi guys!

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show episode 978.

Tommy: Happy Fat Friday, everybody.

Josh: Thank you. If you're a new viewer as well or listener coming from the D'Avella video.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: That just came out. Yeah.

Tommy: Matt was on the show 2 weeks ago this day and he's finished the video that we were filming on that same day. I mean, that was a 2-day shoot.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That was watching an absolute magician at work. And D'Avella was there too.

Josh: That was great. Well, I think the thing about D'Avella, why I love his videos is because He doesn't take himself too seriously.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It's got self-deprecation, just comedy, but also a bunch of good advice.

Tommy: If you're— If, I mean, if you laughed at that, I'm very, very happy. Like laughed at the jokes in the video.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: But we were talking about the sort of difference in humour around the world, and self-deprecation is a very Aussie humour trait. And so, we love sort of "Taking the piss" is another. I mean, you might even try to work out what "taking the piss" is if you're American, but just like laughing at yourself.

Josh: Yeah. If you laugh at yourself.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: No one else can.

Tommy: Well, people can.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But then you're laughing together. That's a good time.

Josh: Then you're the leader. It's like when I was a, you know, a fat kid, it was— I was always making the first fat joke, which is a little bit sad. But if you make the first joke, It disarms. It's like you can't use it as ammo. Anyway, Fat Fridays.

Tommy: Oh, yeah, just quickly. So, I've seen this a few times driving through, driving through McDonald's drive-through and it's mini hotcakes, but they're Nutella filled. I've never tried them. I mean, oh, mate, these are mini.

Josh: These are real mini.

Tommy: And it's like we're on a plane.

Josh: And so I'm glad, I'm glad that we got one serve because it's perfect for two.

Tommy: Perfect. So I'm just gonna, I just hold this up so I can get a nice little, little thumbs up. Thanks, JB. Um, but yeah, so you like the, you like Matt's video?

Josh: Yeah, it was great. Um, yeah, what was the, the highlight? It was just fun. Like, he, he's, um, he's great with the interviews, but also like, I just love that it was actually like a bit of a collab. Like we would come up with ideas and some of you can see the ideas that like we were suggesting.

Tommy: Because you came up with them.

Josh: Well, because they don't necessarily make that much sense to the entire video, but they are funny. So, this Nutella thing, it's got two. Why does McDonald's call them hotcakes and everyone else calls them pancakes?

Tommy: What is the difference between a hotcake and a pancake?

Josh: I don't think anything.

Tommy: Well, just the size of them usually.

Josh: Oh, no, no, no.

Tommy: Because then I've had, yeah, I make my pancakes at home the size of McDonald's. Hotcakes.

Josh: So, I'm smelling it. It reminds me, the smell reminds me of travel, which tells you that it's highly processed. This, it's got the sogginess of something that's been put in a microwave. And, you know, I know, I know, I know, I know microwaves. Yeah.

Tommy: Look, I'd be disappointed if I got those and I was wanting a good breakfast.

Josh: But you know what? Perfect for kids.

Tommy: Grateful. Grateful for them.

Josh: Don't you think? Perfect for kids though.

Tommy: Yeah, my son would love them.

Josh: Talking about grateful, um, it's really hard to, um, think about how much comedy's changed. I was thinking, so Rhett and Link, you know, um, uh, two guys from California, they do great stuff. They do Good Mythical Mornings and a bunch of Bunch of shows.

Tommy: They've got a podcast, a new podcast. It's not new. It's not new. It's probably.

Josh: Yeah, but they do one.

Tommy: It's Ear or something. Yeah.

Josh: Ear is? Ear Biscuit.

Tommy: Ear Biscuit. That's right.

Josh: And the idea is it's around the round table of dim lighting.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Mythicality or whatever. But anyway, they're great. They did a whole bit where they got one of those baseball, like, automated things, like what we got Seb's for his.

Tommy: Machine.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like a pitching machine. Yeah. Pitching machine.

Josh: But it was like like a high, high-end one. Yeah, yeah. And what they were doing, they're putting different shit in it to see how far it went.

Tommy: Like an apple or an orange.

Josh: Exactly. Yeah. But I've got to say that even for a guy that's not necessarily that sensitive to stuff and just understands everything's a joke, a mouse was too much.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: No, I thought when you sit— when you're in a pandemic and you hear what everything that's happened and poverty and stuff, seeing people put food that looks fine, like, ah, let's put like peppers in there and let's put like it— It's like they went through down the fresh food aisle and used all of that as a— And so, I wonder if one day we'll look back in history, it's like, yeah, we're in a pandemic and then like comedians were like spoiling all this food.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. Because— Because the sort of necessities of life are hard to come— Harder for majority of people to come by.

Josh: Well, yeah, there's just something about seeing the food go into the—

Tommy: I guess where the closest thing would be is doing stuff with toilet paper when toilet paper— So, I think it needs to affect the masses, whereas there is a large proportion of the world that doesn't have food, the adequate amount of food or water. But it feels like there's more people that are able to get just the right. And so, but when—

Josh: In our periphery.

Tommy: In our periphery. But when you start seeing people within your own bubble start to struggle, that's when I think people build more empathy. So, the toilet paper thing would have frustrated me just based on seeing everyone else complaining like, "I can't get it." And then you see one groggy, you know, think about toilet papering, which I never did, but a house, like in those college films. It's like a whole house is covered in toilet paper. You'd be very upset.

Josh: Um, but then I also understand that they're bringing a bunch of joy, and there's a bunch of ways of rationalising it. But there is, in those moments, especially I guess like places like California where there's huge amounts of homelessness, um, I wonder how that's— that would impact content as well if you're amongst it and you're seeing these things. I wonder if— I mean, I think that when people think of Los Angeles, they think of Sort of Lamborghinis. Yeah, yeah. Shiny objects.

Tommy: Hot trees.

Josh: I wonder if—

Tommy: Matt Divella.

Josh: I wonder if— Yeah, I wonder. Big biceps. I wonder if the more visible these things are, whether people create empathy or whether there's a disconnect where it's like, oh, that's—

Tommy: Because I think, I think, but maybe people are striving, like maybe someone's mission is to be able to put oranges fresh food in, in one of those. And so it's like, it's, it's— I don't think the— those guys aren't even doing it to say, um, look, look how much— oh, definitely not, you know, uh, look how much we've got.

Josh: Yeah, no.

Tommy: And so there is people that do the look how much I've got when it's cash. Look at the, look at the people, uh, Floyd Money Mayweather. It's in his name, but he just like literally goes to a hotel room when he's in Paris or something, and then he takes a photo of the table and it's just got You want Peruvian dollars or, you know, euros. Like, he's done this with the euros, like seeing hundreds or $500 notes of euros and just like a whole table stacked high. It's $1 million of cash. Like, that's what he travels with.

Josh: I wonder if—

Tommy: $1 million of cash.

Josh: I wonder if that stuff is becoming less appealing. Like, remember Dan Bilzerian or whatever his name is? Bilzerian. What's his name?

Tommy: Dan Bilzerian.

Josh: Yeah. He's lost it all. Did you know that?

Tommy: Has he actually lost it all?

Josh: You know, Dan Bilzerian— I was watching YouTube.

Tommy: There's this one guy that's gone after him. He's like this— might be Russian, but he's like, he was an ex-finance guy and he looks into the books of Dan Bilzerian and seeing like, because it's a publicly listed company, it has to do all its reporting.

Josh: I think he's— maybe he's gone bankrupt or whatever. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, yeah. But he, well, we could, when we were at EPLP, we could see his mansion in the Hollywood Hills and it's like the biggest $160 million joint. But that's a guy who, yeah, who was flaunting opulence. It was, but I mean, that's what happens.

Josh: Yeah. What do you like following on social media? Like what are your favourite accounts? What's the type of content?

Tommy: Oh, I have to, you know, Matt D'Avella's YouTube channel, just especially today when a video of, you know, your boys drops.

Josh: What else do you like? Instagram, what do you like?

Tommy: I can't tell you anything. Actually, sorry, Dom, uh, D'Amato Dom, I think. Let me find his tag. Aussie dude, he's a, um, basically like a freerunner or a parkour expert gymnast. He's a freak, dude. I absolutely love him, and he's got a huge following. D'Amato Dom. Yeah, Dom Tomato. That's his, Dom Tomato. He's not, his full name is Dominic Di Tommaso. So, Dom Tomato. But he is, he's an absolute freak. 1.3 million followers. And they're just videos of him doing the free running, like doing epic flips. Like, let me just show you, like crazy flips. Like he, it's like he's out of a James Bond film running from villains. He's amazing.

Josh: Sore on the joints, like it would really hurt the joints, anything.

Tommy: Yeah, but he's fit. Yeah, yeah, it's not us. Yeah. Anyway, like, that's someone I like. And then a lot of, a lot of, um, UFC accounts. Like, yeah, other than that, nothing. Don't give a shit, really. It's all a bit boring, to be honest. Yeah. Um, yeah, today we're on a shoot. It's an early one. We're recording this at 6:30 again. 6:30 AM on Friday. It's a real ritual to when we've been doing film shoots for over 3, 4 years, 5 years together. How many years now?

Josh: Well, I guess what? Yeah, our first shoot together. Well, obviously.

Tommy: Oh, no.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Back in 2010 or whatever.

Tommy: We've been filming for 15 years together.

Josh: No, but no, we probably started doing it more regularly. It would have to be 2016 or 2017, I think.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, great. 5 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But one of the— it's almost just like a given that you, you pull into Maccas.

Josh: If there is a bit of a drive. Yeah, yeah. When it comes to productions, it's a fun and easy thing. Everyone gets around.

Tommy: What's your— what's been your favourite shoot that we've ever done?

Josh: Yeah, good question, because I was on—

Tommy: we were Filming yesterday and I was telling somebody about how just like the random nature of the job, like every job's different. It's like when you were— I remember being a landscape architect, mate. I wheeled barrows. My dad was the big, big boy.

Josh: Cool houses, dude.

Tommy: Like next level, like, you know, $10-15 million mansions in Toorak in Melbourne, just like pools with mosaics of the person's name at the bottom, just like amazing stuff that you'd see. It's like being able to see— It was the Dan Bell's era. It was, it was. He's gone bankrupt though. No, but just seeing another way of living was interesting. And that's what you get to do in all different jobs. You see, you're exposed to sort of different areas. And this, we see other businesses, but flying to Singapore and seeing and going on to the— I've never been on a cruise ship, but I got to go over and film on a cruise ship that was being renovated. This thing was a small city. It was phenomenal. They've since, I think, gone on and, and had a bit of trouble with the COVID Yeah. And a few people getting COVID.

Josh: Well, I think for me, because I used to work in the fire brigade, not a firefighter, just in the media department, I got to do some cool things. I think the stuff where you're getting great access that you normally wouldn't get. Yeah. And so, there was a big anti-terror thing that they did where it was like they closed down. So, in Melbourne, there's the train loop, the City Loop. And so—

Tommy: Do you remember when that came out?

Josh: No, I don't. The thing is that when I was a kid, like trains weren't really a thing. Like a train, I went on like a—

Tommy: That's how old you are.

Josh: No, but like as in like going, like living in the suburbs or whatever, you drive everywhere. You drive. You wouldn't go— If you're going into the city, The only car park we knew was Crown, you know, like I just assumed that there was no other parking in the city.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Because you'd go to the Crown Casino.

Tommy: Dude, I remember seeing that Crown car park, just lines of cars.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: For ages on a Friday night.

Josh: So, when did the City Loop happen?

Tommy: Yeah, good question. But I remember going early days of it. But it's amazing that we didn't like that. City Loop Melbourne. Because they're doing all the tunnels in Melbourne at the moment, like they're building a new train tunnel, but then they're also building new like roads underneath some rivers and stuff. It's amazing. But it'll be interesting for the first time these open. And so, it's— Oh, commenced in 1971.

Josh: Oh my God.

Tommy: Completed in 1985. City Loop.

Josh: So, you know, it's always been there.

Tommy: That's a long time. It felt maybe it was just new because it was new to me.

Josh: Do you know the CityLink, which is like a freeway or whatever? I remember when that first came, like when the Burnley Tunnel first came. That was a big one.

Tommy: Yeah. But the Bolte Bridge.

Josh: Don't remember the Bolte Bridge. But yeah. So, the favourite shoot, anti-terrorism drill, all that. So, fireys, ambulance, police. 3 AM in the city loop on the tracks, uh, simulated terror attack where, um, actors had all blood on them and all that sort of thing. And yeah, and it was so— we were filming it, but it wasn't designed for us. It was designed for all of the emergency services to work out, okay, how do we get people off carriages? How do we deal? How do we do first aid and all that sort of thing? In these extreme circumstances. So, you've got actors screaming like they've just— the bomb's gone off.

Tommy: Dude, was it dark? Did it like— I mean, I know it's acting and, you know, you're there for a reason.

Josh: Like, I mean, I didn't— I wasn't like filming too much of like the really extreme shit. I was more like operational stuff. So, I spent a lot of my time like where they sort of set up. They have buses and stuff that in these types of incidents they can bring them in and they become these control centres. And so, oh wow, they can manage everything from there. So, think of like a control room that you would see in an office. They actually just— they have a whole thing, they have a whole bus that has all that sort of stuff, which is— and so then they would have like an officer in charge and all that sort of thing. And so, I was doing a lot of the filming of them directing type of thing. So, yeah, that was interesting.

Tommy: Yeah, there's something about access to places that you, that you normally don't. Even just like at— think about concert venues where there's strict places you can't walk. But being in those big, big arenas or underneath something, there's something about underground tunnels.

Josh: Yeah, the other one was DP World on— in Docklands. I don't know if it's Docklands, it's What does DP stand for? Not sure, but it's a bit— So, they would manage the port or they had the rights to the port where they have, you know, the big cranes that take the cargo off ships. And so, I was making a documentary for the high angle rescue team for the fire brigade. And so, you basically, you go up really high to the top of these cranes and you're walking on just like metal, uh, metal floor. Yeah, but it's like honeycomb style, so you can see through it. Yeah, yeah, that was really interesting. Actually, the other one was, um, on the top of Telstra slash like Sofitel or whatever. I think the Telstra building might have been next to the Sofitel, but we got roof access.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: And so filming on the top of the roof was cool.

Tommy: That's right, we went up to, um, the top of the Eureka Tower, the tallest building in Melbourne. Um, with Matt Tilley.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: For some sort of activation working at the radio station. But amazing. Yeah, it's like, you're not— no one goes up there other than staff.

Josh: Any good celebrity, any good celebrity, uh, celebrities that you filmed?

Tommy: Um, oh, we did, um, we did, uh, what were those? Uh, 5 Seconds of Summer, those dudes.

Josh: 5SOS.

Tommy: 5SOS, that was good, but I filmed them personally. At the radio station, like getting them to like talk, you know, directing them. Say this, say this. That was fun. Nice guys. Very famous.

Josh: Actually, do you know what I love is when you're filming for overseas people, filming Australia for an overseas audience or like when you are sort of alongside. So, for instance, Josh and Ryan, The Minimalists, they came to Australia or New Zealand., and I was filming all the B-roll of them in different parts of the country. And there's something interesting about being behind the scenes and then filming Australians out in the wild.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: It sort of changes your perspective on things.

Tommy: Well, they're animals, you know, just—

Josh: Well, it's interesting just seeing people lining up and— But that was also cool in Auckland. Filming when Josh and Ryan interviewed Derek Sivers. Derek Sivers is the guy that we spoke about the other day who's got Hell Yeah or No. And it's just seeing people and like they're quite like, especially any behind the scenes where you're seeing people not on is cool.

Tommy: Yeah, I love that.

Josh: But yeah, I think that is like, it's definitely the camera stuff, like even think about the shoots that we've been on, like we're being in schools and stuff, like there is a, um, there's something fun about you're creating an energy or you're bringing— like, I feel it's like, um, when you're a kid and there's a dog in the school.

Tommy: That was my dog. It ran out because I lived across the road. He would run across the road and just eat plastic bags with food in them, then shit out plastic bags.

Josh: Yeah, but it's a big thing, right? Like, people— but everyone's like, there's dogs in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so true. And so having a camera crew Like the amount of like having been in a bunch of schools this week, kids pointing or—

Tommy: It's weird that it's still like that because there's cameras everywhere now. Like people got phones, I guess when they're big like the ones we hold.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Tommy: What do you got? You got laser focus?

Josh: What'd you cost?

Tommy: How much you cost? Kids are so funny, man. There was a— I've shaved my beard mainly because of the criticism that I got from one kid, but Just this young girl, she would have been grade 6, just like so curious about what's going on, hanging around, just looking at me. And she just says, you're going grey in your beard.

Josh: I was just like, what of it?

Tommy: Ah, nah, I was like, fucking, I was thinking about that. You got me. Kids just know where to fucking nip, don't they?

Josh: Just push the buttons.

Tommy: They know it. Yeah, I know it.

Josh: But there is, I think, something about small crews as well. What other, like, there's probably a bunch of occupations the same thing happens on it. Like my brother Jake, who does like polished concrete and things like that. You become friendly. Like there's sort of a banter that happens with everyone on sort of the work site.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. The best was like, like my dad would tell me some, like he was, I'm working on this person's house, like some, someone that he knew. Mark Holden. Australian Idol back in the day.

Josh: Yeah, that is cool, that kind of stuff. What's Mark Holden up to?

Tommy: I don't know, I don't know. You've got a great garden though because my dad did it.

Josh: But you know, there is the camaraderie as well. I think that that's the other thing working on shoots, especially if it's a multi-day shoot. If you're doing like more than 2 days, you become really close with everyone that's involved because you are Literally, like, you have a very small lunch break or you're in the car, you're travelling. There's a bunch of downtime on sets because you're waiting for people and so you're talking. But I think that that is something that's really cool about what we do is we get to like, you're going into these corporate offices or you're going into these, you know, interesting businesses and then people are sort of forced to hang out and talk.

Tommy: Yeah, no, it is good. But then I also like hanging around people that do different things is like, uh, outside of your echo chamber. Think about your mates. They've all got something maybe similar, like maybe they're indifferent, but then you're like, your friendship is, is the bubble, right? And so you've got all those commonalities that you, you share. But then when you are in front of people that you don't know and they're in industries that you're not in, you really— I mean, you constantly— I This is what we're saying in the Matt D'Avella video. We're projecting our own version of success because I necessarily wouldn't want to be a teacher. Like, I wouldn't want to be a teacher. But then you can look at these people and think, fuck, how hard it is for them based on how hard you'd think it is. But then that's their everyday and how much effort they're putting in and what they're doing for the world. And so, it's really nice seeing other people, find their passion. Yeah, 100%.

Josh: But also, I think the other thing too is what I've discovered is from a teaching perspective. So, we did both, we did extremes. So, primary school, young kids, and then sort of tertiary, older students that are learning like creative things. I find that really appealing, the creative thing. I was like, I could actually imagine like You can see, like, when students are 16, 17, 18, like, they're so receptive from a creative, like, they've got, you can see it in, like, the way that they dress. They're sort of, there's such a need to express themselves. And so, creatively, like, it's everything is amplified and obvious if you think about it, right? Like, it's, it's, um, and maybe part of it is, like, going to a school that's, like, creative.

Tommy: 100%.

Josh: It's like that, like everyone was like, they were all such individuals, which I thought was really cool.

Tommy: I mean, we've seen hundreds of kids over the last couple of days while we're filming at these schools, and you see like, it's such an interesting thing to look at and think about all the personalities that everyone's got one. Everyone's their own version, unique in some way. Similarities, of course, but there's like Just, you know, one might be timid, one might be out there, one might— And it's all just an expression of themselves. And the thing is about kids, they don't know necessarily, and even adults, but we don't— Like, when you're a kid, you don't know what you don't know. And so, you're just reactive and responsive and sort of feeling. You just— It's like, ah, like they're just little animals.

Josh: We're talking about self-awareness. They're not like— They're purely, they're just— They're instinctively doing stuff that they have no— They're not comprehending. I don't know why I'm doing this, but I'm jumping in front of camera and I'm making faces.

Tommy: It's amazing. It's so naive and I like it.

Josh: What do you think when you were looking, you know, especially like the younger kids and you think about Bodhi and you think about like, you know, your daughter that's on the way, what do you like, do you reflect on it's not going to be that long until my kids are doing this exact thing, like 100% in a school.

Tommy: Well, Jet, we were at the primary school that we were filming. Jess, our GM, was saying she doesn't find them cute. It's like, nah. But I get that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The only reason I'm finding the cuteness in a lot of these kids is because I'm seeing my son. Like, I see, you know, you just see the innocence of your child and you're seeing Another kid who is a little bit older. And I just look at these, like, think about me as a kid. This is a technique in meditation to gain more empathy for yourself because a lot of people find it hard to love themselves.

Josh: And the reason Jess didn't find it cute was because they were fucking with the schedule.

Tommy: Oh, no, one kicked her in the shin. One kicked her in the shin. No, but so, think about yourself as a child. Yeah. And you can have a bit more kindness. It's a good trick to sort of just think about that kid that you once were and how someone would have viewed you and what you would have wanted for that young version of yourself. It's like, it's a really nice tool. But seeing these kids and understanding Jess's side, but then like, I'm only coming from looking at my son and thinking, fuck, he will be here, he'll be a school kid next year.

Josh: Like, wow, prep. That's crazy, isn't it?

Tommy: Unbelievable. And then thinking about all the things he's going to have to navigate and seeing these little kids just like You know, so naive.

Josh: School uniforms.

Tommy: And think, you know, just it's all new. It's all new and they've got heaps of life ahead of them. It's, yeah.

Josh: And then thinking about things like, you know, what happened last year with lockdowns and things like, you know, them trying to understand that this is what's happening. Like, if you think about it, there's key moments in our school lives that we really remember. Things like 9/11 that just stick. Like the school, the teacher wheeling in a TV, like something that's, that's so historic, um, for us that the teachers would actually bring in a TV and would watch live news, dude. Like, isn't that crazy?

Tommy: They had that, uh, we had a TV mounted on the wall. It's fucking heavy, old Box TV. But, um, it was nice. Foxtel? No, it wasn't at home, it was at school. But I remember you saying, I remember the corner. Who's got Foxtel at this point?

Josh: I thought that given the school, private cable TV.

Tommy: Yeah, that'd be amazing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, you're not really watching anything other than what they tell you.

Josh: Yeah. The library, I think, actually had Foxtel at my school. Yeah. Like, because they would, but it was all behind closed doors where they would put in VHS tapes and they would record stuff. So, it's like if you wanted to do something Recorded, they'd put it in. It's like Behind the News, BTN, great show.

Tommy: But I remember seeing people jumping out of the buildings, like, and they had to turn it off. One kid left the room. But I was like amazed that they fucking allowed— I don't think anyone knew what was happening. And so, the teachers are putting it on thinking, let's have a look.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Next minute they're showing that shit.

Josh: It's equivalent of being like, there's been a car crash outside, guys.

Tommy: Let's all go have a quick look and then we'll come.

Josh: Let's see what we can learn about the human experience.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Why does that man not have a head? You know, it's pretty dark, isn't it? It's really dark. I think we've probably learnt a lot since then.

Tommy: But it is like, I mean, I don't look at that as like a bad thing. That's not sure my teacher did.

Josh: No, no, no.

Tommy: It's like, wow, what a time. It really cemented. If it didn't sort of have all those things happening, kid leaving the room crying. This kid had more empathy than I did. I don't know what I was thinking. What the bloody hell?

Josh: Well, I think it felt so disconnected, especially in Melbourne.. And it's like, you know, the majority of kids hadn't been to New York. The Twin Towers, they were a movie set for us. It wasn't— We didn't connect. Like now, obviously, it would be a very different case where it's like, oh, we can connect it up, like what it means for the economy. But I couldn't— Like, we just knew that something happened. Happened. Yeah. But it felt like New York felt like a really far away away from us. Whereas I think if something happened and, you know, as things happen now in the world, yeah, you feel the impact because you say, because you have the reference point, oh, that airline I've flown, or this or that, or, um, but, and, and so the interesting thing is that to go full circle, it is that empathy thing. You think about the food thing with Rhett and Link, it's like you only know what you know when you only know the experience that you have. So there's a time where it's like For most people, it's probably food isn't a problem. And so, saying that doesn't provide any level of pushback in their mind or any sort of negative thoughts. Whereas as we go on, it's like, oh, hang on, like, this is why I think travel is such a great way of building empathy. And I wonder if, say, what I worry about with things that are happening now and things like vaccines and like it becomes very sort of nationalistic, which is protect ourselves, which I completely get. But hopefully we can protect ourselves being our community while still thinking about the other people around us, you know, outside of our borders. Because the borders are sort of just these made-up fucking things, right? What does it all mean?

Tommy: River.

Josh: Yep. I can drive over some oceans and stuff. Uh, great.

Tommy: Uh, well, go, um, yeah, if you haven't watched it, uh, Matt D'Avella's YouTube channel, just type his name, you'll see it. What's the video called?

Josh: It's called Chasing Your— The Reality of Chasing Your Dreams.

Tommy: Yeah, it's called The Real Truth About Chasing Your Dreams with Scotty Pippen and Jordan.

Josh: Who's who?

Tommy: Well, Matt, you cut to me when you said Pippen.

Josh: So, are you happy with that?

Tommy: Mate, I'm all good. I'm all good.

Josh: Do you know who I am? I'm Dennis. Dennis, right?

Tommy: Nah, Dennis was stylish.

Josh: Yeah. What, you don't think I can be Dennis?

Tommy: You're outrageous.

Josh: I would wear it.

Tommy: Dennis was outrageous but stylish. Like, he knew fashion back then and was pushing the boundaries of it. But he also was just, he was amongst it. Like, he was a trendsetter.

Josh: Okay, who's the, who's out of you, me, George, and Jess, who's The most likely person to become friends with Kim Jong-un? Oh, it's probably George, to be honest.

Tommy: Something weird about George.

Josh: Yeah, I'm just doing a few edits, mate. That's propaganda. Enjoy the rest of your day, guys, and we'll see you on Monday.

Tommy: Have a good one. See you guys.