Relationships & Travel

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 883.

Mason: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Josh: Mr. 97, welcome to, uh, the Tommy Jackets hosting seat. How are you today?

Mason: Yeah, I'm good. It's, it's actually really nice to have something to say as soon as you come on the podcast, like just, just something that you can say every single day. It's great.

Josh: And so TJ has some annual leave and so you are filling in. What do you have planned? What can the Gronks look forward to in the next half an hour?

Mason: Oh, I mean, maybe, maybe just a little update on, on me and the clay.

Josh: The clay? You didn't talk about the clay.

Mason: No, the clay's been, been pinned. But no, Grace and I celebrated our 6 months over the weekend.

Josh: Congrats. So that was, that was pretty cute. Let me tell you if it's cute or not, okay? You can't say it's cute. What did you do?

Mason: Well, so we spent the day— Well, so the funny thing is, so our anniversary, the 6th, like, yeah. So we, on the 10th is the day that we decided to become girlfriend and boyfriend or enter into a relationship. It was the 10th in Perth and the 11th Melbourne. So, we sort of split it. So, the 10th is the, I guess, official day. And so, that's when we ordered Italian and we hung out during the day and then nothing special.

Josh: This is what you did on the— When you started dating or is this for your 6-month?

Mason: No, this is the 6 months.

Josh: Okay. What did you do? What— Can you go cast your mind back to 6 months Prior. Yeah, 6 months ago.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: What was the day like where you decided that you would become boyfriend and girlfriend?

Mason: Well, it would have been late because it was passing over midnight, but I think we just had a conversation about what a relationship looks like and, you know, what we are. And so, and then it was sort of just from there, we're just like, yeah, okay. This is a relationship. That's great. And we were both excited.

Josh: It was weird.

Mason: It wasn't like a normal— It wasn't that sort of like, you know, will you be my girlfriend?

Josh: I don't know if that happens after the age of 12. And so, yeah. So, it's like, are we dating now? Yeah.

Mason: Yeah. It's a bit of that. Like, what are we? So, yeah, that was cute. That was very cute.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: And then, yeah, our 6 months on the weekend, Saturday, We didn't do much. We got our food delivered in the morning, so it would have been like 9 o'clock and the truck rocks up outside with our food and we ended up getting Italian. So, there was like a spaghetti with— To be honest, it was a bit like bolognese, a real good bolognese.

Josh: And then— So, it's like a ready meal type of thing? Like it's like a light and easy for your 6 months?

Mason: No, it was nice. We had to prepare it ourselves. It was from Provvedor. Which is like an online delivery.

Josh: Is Provador, I think that might have been, they've got a bunch of different restaurants on there.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And so, anyway, so they delivered that along with some trout and tiramisu as well. So, that came and then we didn't do anything super special throughout the day. We just sort of hung out and then for dinner, we set up a little picnic rug and because Saturday is also date night, we set up a picnic rug in the room. Got the computer, started watching a movie, set some candles out in front so I wouldn't knock them over and burn down my bedroom. And then, and then had dinner.

Josh: Do you feel like you've got any romantic tools left in your toolbox?

Mason: Well—

Josh: So, it feels like the same thing every single weekend. It's you order food, you turn on a movie, sometimes you'll put candles on. Yeah. How was the 6-month experience different to, like, not criticising you, but how was it different?

Mason: We got dressed up.

Josh: Oh, that's nice. What did you wear?

Mason: So, I mean, jeans and a shirt.

Josh: Don't go too crazy. Yeah.

Mason: Well, I thought wearing a suit was probably a bit overboard.

Josh: Yeah, sure. So, was it like a button, like a—

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a buttoned-up shirt and then just the rolled-up sleeves.

Josh: Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's nice.

Mason: So, it was nice. And so, yeah. So, we got dressed up. Yeah. I mean, it was just, it was just nice. Yeah. That was just about it. I think the candles, the candles don't visually do a lot, but I think it's the thought.

Josh: Sure. I know that Grace loves, like, one of the things I was asking her, like, what do you miss? What's the, what do you love? And she was talking about getting coffee. Coffee is super important. To her. Have you ever gone to a café and got her coffee?

Mason: No. So, the problem is the coffee shops around, there aren't many great ones around where I am within a good solid walking distance. You know, like I can't just pop, like there are a few down the road, but they're not like I wouldn't go to them for a coffee. Plus, we also like this morning, for example, I made her a coffee. So.

Josh: Okay. Do you make one for yourself? Because you have typically not been a coffee guy. Do you think that's going to change?

Mason: Nah, still not a coffee guy. I just, I like my warm milk, though. Just the leftover from warm milk.

Josh: It's a baby cappuccino is what you're describing.

Mason: Yeah, for sure. And just in a little cup and I have that.

Josh: So, okay. All right. Any other, any other content that you've got today?

Mason: Content.

Josh: So, normally TJ would have an Uschi update or—

Mason: No, I don't have any Uschi updates. I do have— Yeah, I mean, well, it's along what we— Similar to what we spoke about on hump day, and I messaged you over the weekend about it. And I've downloaded this app called Feedly, and it's an RSS compiler. So, for every news website has an RSS feed, which is a way that you can bring in the information from the website into an external app. And so, this means that I can bring in all my different news sources into one application. So, I can have like The Verge, The Age, you know, a science website.

Josh: It's like how podcasts work. You subscribe to an RSS feed and it delivers you audio whenever there's a new one. It's just a mechanism for subscribing. So, question. The Age, which is behind a paywall, they have an RSS.

Mason: Well, so this is, this is the— I didn't get any, I didn't get any of the ones behind the paywall, so I haven't actually—

Josh: Can you do that though? So if I was, but if I had a, a subscription that's behind a paywall that I pay for, can I get the RSS feed and put it into an app?

Mason: I reckon you would be able to from Just without a subscription? No, I don't know. Without a subscription, I did see on a couple of them they just give you a preview, so you can still get all the storeys and the headlines.

Josh: So, you've become the headline guy at this point because you can't click through. If you click through, it will say, no, no, you can't see this. On a—

Mason: Yeah, on a subscription-only news— Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I consume free stuff anyway, so.

Josh: And so what are your go-tos? What's like, what have you got on the RSS feed?

Mason: Well, so I've got, I've brought in tweets. So, because I don't like Twitter. Twitter's too much of a rabbit hole. But so I've got tweets brought in from Rhonda Patrick and Mike Cannon-Brookes from Atlassian. And then under business, I've just got Seth Godin's blog. And then science, I've got a publication called Science News and Science Daily. Which is, you know, publishing like stuff that appears in journals and stuff. And then The Verge.

Josh: Okay. And so, how often are you looking at it? Is it the first thing in the morning experience over warm milk?

Mason: That would be nice. Yeah. Having a little babyccino. No, it's replaced The Verge. I don't go to The Verge anymore. I go to Feedly.

Josh: So, yeah. So, I was using Reader. R-E-E-D-E-R, I think is what it's called. Good, good solid app. But then that is, you then need a service like Feedly to plug into it. So it's like Reader is the, um, almost like an email client or an RSS client, and then you have the service where you hold them all. Sure. So that could be something you could look at. Reader is very nice, nice sort of design, nice swiping across. Do you swipe So, like, you're archiving, so you're actually consuming and then archiving?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The swiping, the swiping's great. Real good functionality. I like it.

Josh: Yeah, okay, good one. Uh, I actually went for a walk this morning with, uh, Jess. Had a bit of a walking meeting. Yeah. And it was really nice. It was great. Uh, good weather outside. But I did have an issue with ordering coffee, and it made me realise how long it's been since I've actually done it or like, you know, had to speak to a café because it was at the, near the getting close to the end of the walk. There was a good coffee shop. And I said, I'll get it. It's all good. I'll get it. And I just had my phone. And I Apple Paid, and I realised that I haven't activated my bank account, my bank card, and it like finished in August. And like, because Bree gets the coffee, like, I haven't had to use Apple Pay or anything for months. And so, I was like, nah, nah, okay, that's all good. And I, you know, did the thing and then I just declined. I was like, fuck. And so, the thing is when something declines, The first response is, I look like I'm broke, like I've got no money, like this looks very, very sad. And so, then it becomes this whole thing of like, okay, well, I don't have it, I can't activate, I can't contact the bank now and activate, it's too hard. Don't have the actual physical card. And so, then you end up like, what would you do in that situation? Not that you've ever bought a coffee before in your life.

Mason: Well, no, but I'm the guy to rock one card in Apple in Apple Wallet. Like, I feel like you would be the person to have multiple cards in there.

Josh: Definitely. Well, so I will have it. Like, all I had was my Velocity Frequent Flyer, which wasn't going to help me.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: Yeah. And so what would you, uh, what would you do in that moment? Um, so it's declined. The interesting thing is the guy's gone to make it, and I just realised, oh, hang on, I wonder if it is okay, and I looked over and it said declined. And the guy was just handing over the coffees like everything was fine.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Like, it was like small business, like, we can't, we can't be doing this in, in ever. But 2020, it's like a, it's, it's, it's, it's not great. Um, anyway, I felt, this is what I thought was funny about it, I felt the need to log into my bank account and at least show that I had some cash in the account. So, like, I said I needed to activate, but there's also cash in there. So, I was like, look, you're going to— There's something funny about being like, no, no, no, I'll get it, I'll get it, I'll get it. And it's like, do you mind getting it, actually? It's a little—

Mason: You could have done the BSB, the classic BSB to the barista.

Josh: Oh, yeah, yeah, that could be a thing. I mean, what have you learnt about money when it comes to being in a relationship? How do you— What's the deal with Grace? Are you keeping tabs? Have you got a spreadsheet? How does it all work?

Mason: No, no spreadsheet. We're still waiting for our bank app, like the app that we use, Up to have joint or shared accounts, and then we can look at that. But yeah, I think you just— Just having more experiences with Grace, just like going out for getting dinner or, you know, going to the supermarket and buying stuff, like when we went for a picnic or whatever, like getting cheese, bread.

Josh: You just one for one? Is that how it works?

Mason: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll just split things like you do this one and then I'll do the next one. So, okay. Yeah.

Josh: Anything else that you've learnt? Like what's been the biggest sort of change for you now living with someone for the first time outside of your family? And having a girlfriend, what's been the biggest, biggest change?

Mason: Being more considerate, I think. Just because like when you're by yourself, you can do whatever you want or whenever you want. So, like—

Josh: Wear whatever you want.

Mason: Wear whatever. No, when you can do— Yeah. So, like if I've got like a piece of work or whatever or something pops up that there needs to be another thought and another consideration for how that impacts Grace and what she wants to do. And so, it's getting used to things like that because I've just previously, like, I haven't had anyone that I've had to think about like that. And so, I would just usually go ahead and do it without a second thought. And so, just a bit, yeah, a few more things like that that it's just, yeah.

Josh: What's the biggest one? Any blind spots for you where you're like, oh, shit, I didn't realise I did that?

Mason: I probably— So, I always thought I was pretty good when it came to communicating. And now I just realise that it's like I'm okay, but not like— There are still like lots of times where I'm just not communicating like what I'm doing or, you know, how I'm feeling and that sort of thing. That's probably been the biggest one. Like, I just— I thought I was pretty good, but—

Josh: Well, so what's the answer to that? Because I remember watching like there was this like venture capitalist who had a scorecard system with his wife. And so, they both did it. And so, it would be like you'd have to do a 1 to 10 and then as long as you're getting a score across the board, that's okay. You're both all good. I brought the idea to Bree.

Mason: But what's the score based on?

Josh: It's based on everything. It's like, am I feeling like supported? And like everything from like finance to respect, to sex, all of those things. So, it's 1 to 10, as long as it's— You're getting it across the board, it's spread out. As long like— Sure. You can feel like you're really respected and have no sex and that's okay, you know. But you can't like— You got to make sure you can't have no respect and no sex and bad finance. Like that's bad, right? Sure.

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: So, I brought this, the idea of a scorecard like to Bree, which I get the pushback. Like, it seems it would be a great use for the index cards. But have you thought about any of those types of things?

Mason: No, I mean, the probably— Yeah. What Jess has brought up on Too Much Tally and also what Brené Brown talks about, like the the sort of percentage feeling. I think we don't necessarily do the percentages, but it's just like, yeah, like I'm feeling exhausted today, or just communicating that ahead of time. So, you just, you know, you have more understanding for each other. I think that's probably been the biggest, I guess, system or thing that we have in place. Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. There was, they even spoke about this VC. I think he may have headed up like Google, like a section of Google for a while. I can't remember his name, but they would have him and his wife would have meetings where that was the time to bring up any concerns.

Mason: Bitch batching.

Josh: Yeah, bitch batching. Exactly. So, it's like putting it all together where it's like you say what I need to improve on so that then it's not this just constant where I'm like, oh, I'm really annoyed about this or that, or can you do this or do that? Like it's all at one specific time. I feel like you're a regimented guy, fairly organised. Are there any of those things, if you put sort of your life hack club, if we were to do a life hack club couples edition, what are some life hacks for being in a relationship?

Mason: I mean, we actually, you know, we did do this thing maybe a couple of weeks ago, but it was just like all the things that make us uncomfortable at the moment. And so, it was just like things that either like, you know, induce anxiety or even just make you feel a little bit uncomfortable.

Josh: And one thing that won't make you uncomfortable is a Sleep Republic mattress. Go to sleeprepublic.com.au and get a mattress. They're brilliant. Go on. They are very good. I've been having a great sleep.

Mason: Yeah. So, we both put together lists and then came to each other. And so, it was just like little things where we had to make little changes, like, you know, Mondays and Tuesdays are busier days for me. And so, it's just like, okay, like, what can we do for breakfast and lunch on both those days? So, it doesn't become a thing of we're just like, ah, so what are we having? And it becomes this whole thing. So, I think little things like that, bringing a list and then just being able to be like, okay, like, here's what we can do to try fix that. And then at least you're both aware of what's happening.

Josh: Shared calendars. Are you doing a shared calendar or anything like that?

Mason: No, we— There are a couple, like, so if Grace has got like a psych appointment or whatever or something on, she'll put it in the calendar and add me into it. And so, I'll actually see it in my calendar, so I'm aware, but not sharing the full calendar like what you do with with mine just looking in there forever.

Josh: Yeah, there's a lot. It's getting overwhelming, to be honest, because I get— for some reason I need to work out my notifications, but I get notifications when anyone's doing anything. It's very annoying.

Mason: Well, you accidentally— you accepted a calendar invite on my behalf.

Josh: I sent you a calendar invite and then I accepted it for you. It's very annoying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: I didn't even see it come through. I just got— I just saw it and said yes. I was like, I didn't tick that.

Josh: Okay, and so what are you looking ahead? ISO finishing up at some point, what's on the list? What's the 5 things that Seb is going to do when he can leave the house in a proper way?

Mason: Beach is the first one. We haven't had And Grace has brought this up in the past couple of days. We haven't had a great burger in the past couple of weeks. Like, since ISO, we haven't had a great burger.

Josh: So, the last couple of weeks? I mean, ISO has been going for a long time. But it's very—

Mason: What's like food deliveries, like where I am, the food delivery is like everything arrives cold. And so, like something like a great burger that's warm and—

Josh: Hot, even.

Mason: Yeah, chips that aren't soggy would be nice. Um, yeah, what else? I don't know, just we haven't— we haven't got a road trip somewhere, like even going away for a weekend or something like that, we haven't been able to do. So yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, what about— what are you gonna do with Bray?

Josh: Uh, yeah, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Uh, I think we'll, uh Great Ocean Road. Yeah, Great Ocean Road's a good one. I think we'll definitely take you guys on the Great Ocean Road. I think that will be fun. What else? It'd be when we can travel domestically, that will be nice. Being able to like Tassie. Like, I think Tassie's high on the list. But I think that I'm starting to get realising, like it's only now that I'm realising it's like, man, we actually can't leave the country.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

Mason: It's— I— The thing is, I think I get around that just looking, like just looking and planning and scheming what you're going to do.

Josh: Oh, it's the perfect time for that, right? Like some of the best parts of a holiday is planning and the anticipation. So, if we all just got into anticipation mode. But what I wonder is, is there just going to be this crazy influx? So, my mate Naysan lives in Queensland. He reckons every second person he bumps into has— they've just moved to Queensland.

Mason: Really?

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Far out.

Josh: And so, I do wonder. I'm not a— The contradiction or the issue with what I like, I love cafes that are quiet. They're not great businesses. You know what I mean? Yeah. I like Airbnb, like I like hotels where there's not heaps of other people staying there. Not great for business. Not a good hotel. And so, I wonder, do you think that there will be an influx of travel? What do you think is going to happen when borders open? As an epidemiologist and a travel expert, what do you think?

Mason: Yeah, well, I mean, it depends on like They're not going to open them until cases are down. But I think, I think there'll be a lot of probably driving and less flying. Like, I think there's like, you're going to be like driving down to places or doing things like that, that as opposed to flying. I feel like people will be—

Josh: Traffic has been, traffic has been crazy. So—

Mason: Really?

Josh: I met Jess at 6:30. She was 6 minutes late. Traffic. That's what she said anyway. But it was funny. It was just like, ah, so annoying. Like, she really sort of had to—

Mason: felt— Who's driving at 6:30?

Josh: I know. That's what I was thinking. And I was like, oh, this is just the classic thing if you're late to something and then like you've just got to obsess over the traffic. Like, oh, it's just crazy. You know, it's just beep beep. I was like, the cars, trucks, buses, they're all there. But then we walked down a Hoddle Street and it was chockers. There were so many Cars. And then I was thinking about like we don't have, I guess with all the curfew stuff. Actually saw a car on Smith Street this morning at 2:00 AM. I woke up to the sound of like a loud, like an engine. And there was a car, like a white sedan zooming up Smith Street. Like Smith Street's, I don't know, what's Smith Street? 50 kilometres an hour? 60? 60 maybe. They were going probably 100, and they had their hazard lights on, just zooming up, Smith.

Mason: Far out.

Josh: What do you think? What if you saw that? Because Bri and I both woke up and then we're like, oh, wonder what it was. Where does your mind go seeing a car speeding unmarked? Like, it's not a— It doesn't look like an emergency service vehicle. They're just using hazards. What's the story?

Mason: Well, he's not a repair technician.

Josh: Yeah, sure. Why do you say that they're not a repair technician?

Mason: Well, I don't know. I just, I feel like, as in, you're not going to be in, you're not going to be in a rush, to be honest.

Josh: Like, it's a repair technician based on their essential workers, is that why you bring them up?

Mason: No, just based on like a white van with hazard lights on.

Josh: Sure. It was a sedan, which is like a, um, yeah, yeah, a lot.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: It's like a car.

Mason: A car.

Josh: Like a Lamborghini. Yeah, I got a bit fancy. Was it Kees' car?

Mason: Yeah. No, definitely something sus going on.

Josh: Yeah. Well, I thought like maybe it's someone driving away from— Or maybe that like they're about to give birth.

Mason: Oh, yeah.

Josh: And they're zooming along. But I think I saw them go through a red light. I feel like if you are in labour, you don't go through red lights as a rule.

Mason: Yeah, that's a good point. But also, it is early in the morning. How many people are going to be driving?

Josh: Takes one car to T-bone you, doesn't it?

Mason: That's true. Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. Look, yeah, no.

Josh: Can't think of anything?

Mason: No, that's a great story. I'm sure, like, I wouldn't— What direction were they going?

Josh: Going towards the city.

Mason: Okay, well then it could have been the hospital. I feel like if it's going the other way, away from the city, then it's definitely a sus thing that's happened.

Josh: So, that's just wrong.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then going— if they're going towards the city, then pregnancies are great.

Josh: Okay. That's good. I'm glad I asked. In regards to movies, TV shows, Netflix recommendations, the classic, what are you watching? What are you listening to? What are you reading?

Mason: Oh, we love an Amazon Prime recommendation.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Jack Ryan, is that his name?

Mason: Jack Ryan.

Josh: Yeah, Jack Ryan.

Mason: I can confirm, like, we have— I have actually seen Jack Ryan before TJ brought it up. It is a great series and I would recommend it. What have we seen? Oh, we watched the David Attenborough documentary. That's good.

Josh: It's great.

Mason: Yeah, real great.

Josh: It's— How can you— Like, he's a He's an absolute legend. Like, if you think—

Mason: He's amazing. I love the, um, it was so great though, just think like pulling from the archives and all that throughout the show. Like, I thought that was very cool, the fact that they've done all these documentaries and they've just been able to pull on all of it and create this cool little stuff.

Josh: It's a family talk show. That's what we'll just do. You'll have your Netflix doco. It'll be less sort of And you're a cheap Dave Attenborough. Yeah, I am. We'll have an orchestra doing the whole soundtrack.

Mason: You know what I did think about? When he was at Chernobyl.

Josh: Can't be good. I guess at that point he's like, mate, I'm 93, I've had a good life.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Don't you think?

Mason: But is it worth it? Like, is it worth being in there? Like, surely he could have like—

Josh: I mean, I fucking worry about having the microwave on. Yeah. At home. Yeah.

Mason: Or even like UV as well. Like, then you just think about like—

Josh: UV doesn't bother me. Well, have you seen how much, like, pilots and stuff, you have to be careful with the amount of UV you're getting as a pilot? Like, it's the equivalent of an X-ray or something.

Mason: Really? Every time you fly?

Josh: Yeah. I don't know if that's a fact. Can you look that up?

Mason: Well, I know that going through Going through the scanners and stuff. Also, Grace has sent me a clarification. He wasn't at Chernobyl. I think he was near Chernobyl.

Josh: Oh, really?

Mason: I think so.

Josh: It was green. They cut it well. They had all the shots of the schools and things like that.

Mason: Oh, yeah. Okay, hang on.

Josh: So, x-ray.

Mason: Why are we doing the x-ray machine and—

Josh: Oh, no. So, I want to know.

Mason: Flying.

Josh: Yeah, flying, the amount of radiation.

Mason: Yeah, I mean, you could imagine, like, if they even say when you go through the scanner, that's just like the equivalent of— I don't know what the equivalent is, but apparently it's not good.

Josh: The, um, whilst you do that, uh, you've been looking at Nomad List, which was like my favourite website about 3 years ago before Bree and I went travelling. We used it to work out, it gives you a rating on the best cities in the world based on like livability, like the safety, how much it costs for a coffee, all of that sort of stuff, internet speeds. You've been on Nomad List.

Mason: Yep.

Josh: What are you thinking? Where do you want to live? What's your travel plans?

Mason: So, we looked at The first, I mean, it was like within the top 5, but it was like Tenerife. And it was like, it's an island off Italy, maybe. I can't remember, but Canary Islands. Grace has just sent that through. But that was one of the things that was off Morocco. There you go. That was one of the places. But then it's sort of, it's an island and there was all this stuff around people not being super, super friendly. And it's almost a go-to for digital nomads. Like, really, I think Nomads List has sent too many people there. It's a bit—

Josh: It's a bit— Is Chiang Mai very much like that? Like a lot of those, like digital nomads can go either way. You can just like—

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: But the— So, I'm just having a look. The top one at the moment, Lisbon.

Mason: Portugal.

Josh: Portugal. Never been there. Wanted to go there. Couldn't get cheap flights when we were travelling. Beautiful. It feels like 19 degrees Celsius right now.

Mason: Good internet as well. Great internet.

Josh: Good air quality.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Hospitals are bad, though. That's the only thing. Nightlife is okay. Well, that's like nightlife's not, I mean, LGBTQ+ friendly. Great. That's what it says.

Mason: The other thing is like London, um, London is another place that we both want to go to. So, it'll— we'll have to figure out because it's very expensive and it's just like, wait, where do you live if you're going to live there for 3 months?

Josh: Yeah. So, the thing is like, Bri and I found a great Airbnb in London and ended up being really inexpensive, like given it was like the most, like one of the most expensive places, we ended up like, it was one of those examples where we were, we didn't have the whole apartment, like the host lived there. But yeah, it's interesting. So, if you look at the cost of living on different things, so, the price for Lisbon, Portugal is 20, so 2,000. $74 a month. That's US. And so, if you have a look at cost of living, it sort of breaks it down. So, a 1-bedroom studio rent in the centre is $764 a month, which is— That's great. This— A dinner would cost you $7.05. For a beer, for a 500— 500 mils for a 0.5 liter.

Mason: How much is a pint?

Josh: I'm sure you're asking the wrong guy.

Mason: Oh, it is 473 milliliters. So that's probably, yeah, exactly.

Josh: So it's interesting, like, it is nomadlist.com. It is good fun just sort of exploring. So Melbourne is, uh, number 17 on the list currently. So if you have a look at internet speeds, Lisbon The average speed's 29 megabits per second. Uh, Melbourne's at 14 megabits per second average. The— for people playing at home, the cost of living of Melbourne, they've put down at $2,978 a month. And if you have a look at it from a scores perspective, uh, it's got pretty good scores on everything except air quality. The annual is just good. Humidity is comfy. I think we've got pretty good humidity. Yeah. Anything? But what they say is bad is free Wi-Fi in city is down as bad.

Mason: Yeah, it is. No, it's real bad. At least there is Wi-Fi, I guess. But I mean, most people are rocking 4G anyway, so. Yeah.

Josh: Best wireless carrier they've got is Hello Mobile. I've never even heard of them.

Mason: Never heard of them either. Surely Telstra.

Josh: Hello Mobile.

Mason: What's crazy is like those European countries like Hungary and, where is that, Romania, they're like getting outrageous internet speeds.

Josh: Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, Eastern Europe. I like, I love Eastern Europe, like Budapest in Hungary. Is awesome and that like it's really, really beautiful, inexpensive, really cool, like creative people. Yeah, I think like Hungary would be a cool place. Like Romania is great as well.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Somewhere with nature would be nice. So, you can search. So, if I go overall score, so then you could go overall score, nomad score, family score. So, yeah, if you're a family wanting to move temporarily, It'll be interesting to see where it all lands with COVID Yeah, yeah, sure.

Mason: I wonder if that impacts the safety of it, surely.

Josh: Yeah, so you can search by all of the different things as well. So, I mean, your freedom of speech is important to you, you can, you can sort by that.

Mason: Fine, find a good one. You did your round the world trip, you're like, yeah, travelling across Europe and stuff. Like, where, where did you Where did you love the most? Where would you recommend?

Josh: Recommend? I, so, favourite place that I went to, which I like where Bri and I, so, when Bri and I went on our trip, I think Kraków in Poland was just surprised me the most. Okay. It was like epic food, inexpensive, an awesome Airbnb that was essentially like a hotel, but it's an Airbnb. Cost us $80 a night for the two of us. That's ridiculous. It was like awesome. They have things called like milk bars. So, if you look it up, Poland milk bars, it's like subsidised like food, but it's legit. Like, it's really, really good.

Mason: Who are they subsidising it for?

Josh: The government subsidises it for like everyone, just as it like, I guess, as a way of increasing living standard and also like Yeah. What to expect from your first visit to a Polish milk bar? Delicious food. It's really, really good. It's called a Bar McClesney. McClesney. McClesney. I think that's what— Is that what it is? I've just found something.

Mason: How did you know to go there?

Josh: It was just in all like the travel books and things like that. They're like the best coffee. I think as well. Like, it was on, like, not to be obnoxious, but it was at Melbourne Quality. I loved it. So, anyway. Yeah. I think so, Kraków is awesome for if there was ever like a world conference, if we're ever like, oh, yeah, we're going to bring all creators together or so, Kraków would be a great, like, it's a great city for walking as well. And so, yeah, I think that that was one. But outside of that, Serrano in Italy, which, um, it's like a mediaeval town. And, uh, Bree and I stayed there, and, uh, the guy that we stayed with was awesome. Like, he's like a dude from the US who'd been there for 30 years, a writer, and a, like, a, like, did sculptures and shit.

Mason: Great.

Josh: Um, and, uh, yeah, that was, that was really Really cool. We spent a bunch of time in Italy. I started listening to Pimsleur again. So, I paid all this money for Pimsleur, which is like a— What got me across the line is it's what the FBI uses to learn new languages.

Mason: Oh, yes.

Josh: So, like Duolingo, unless the FBI are using it, I'm not interested. And so—

Mason: I get it.

Josh: I remember I—

Mason: It's like that book that the FBI bloke had a Influenced by something. Never lose an argument or something like that. And it's just like negotiations from a terrorist.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: That got me. I bought the book, so.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, the— And so, I— Yeah, the Pimsleur thing, I ended up downloading. Like, their app is not great, but downloaded their app and I have it and I started doing the Italian, the Italian a couple of nights ago where I just have it on. It goes for, you know, 25 minutes and you learn a bunch of, you know, Lei capisce l'inglese? Io non capisco l'italiano. You know.

Mason: What's— What is it? Just you just play it or are you repeating things back to them? Yeah.

Josh: So, they say things, it's like, and then you say it back.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: It's great. Yeah.

Mason: How do you know the words?

Josh: What language do you want to learn?

Mason: Spanish.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Definitely Spanish.

Josh: What's the— What's it? Because I've definitely been there and want— Not saying that it's like a phase, but I've wanted to learn Spanish before. What's the appeal of Spanish?

Mason: Well, I mean, I feel like it's the— I feel like it's a pretty versatile language across Europe. Like, if you've got Spanish as your base, you're going to be able to at least pick out words in other languages and potentially string together sentences. And the other one as well, like if you're in South America,. It could also be helpful.

Josh: Un chocolate caliente, por favor. Which is one hot chocolate, please. Which is something that.

Mason: Spaghetti chino.

Josh: Yeah. But interestingly, they don't speak Spanish in Barcelona. They speak, what's it called?

Mason: Catalan.

Josh: Catalan. Catalan. Catalina. Yeah. Like, so it's in the city, the state is Anyway, I'm going to sound ignorant. I mean, Catalina is the, um, is the— I think it's macOS Catalan. Yeah. But anyway, my mate who's from Venezuela, when we're in Barcelona, we were on a train and my mate was— Ibi was teaching me Spanish and, um, a guy cracked it on the train. It's like, we don't speak Spanish here, why are you learning Spanish? Yeah. So, that's why I don't go on trains. But I actually love travelling. I've said this before, trains, all that sort of thing when travelling, love it. When I'm at home, not into it. Like when I go on the tram, like the few times I go on the tram, I always turn to Bri and like, I feel like I'm overseas.

Mason: What's this? Complete different experience though.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Because like when overseas, they're so much faster.

Josh: Trams are just a bit shit compared to Yeah, I do like the idea of doing— Maybe we could do a big train trip somewhere.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: That'd be fun.

Mason: Just in the train? As in just stay in the train or you actually get off?

Josh: No, you get off. Yeah, different locations. Like Trans-Siberian Railway.

Mason: Would you love a cruise?

Josh: No.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: Would you?

Mason: I'll sea sick.

Josh: No, no, no. I just don't want to feel sick the whole time. No, definitely.

Mason: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: I think a train is fun, being able to get off the train, you know, going through mountainous areas, that type of thing would be cool. I just feel like I've done a lot of road trips, especially like in the US, but I haven't done crazy amounts of trains.

Mason: Train trips. Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. Okay, great. I get it. All right. You do get it. Thank you for for joining us, Sebs.

Mason: That's okay.

Josh: How do you feel as the co-host today? Did it feel different?

Mason: No, I felt it did feel different. There's probably like a different— Yeah, there's a different thing just switching between all the different podcasts and like the— What you're bringing to each of them. And so it's like, yeah, it does. You bring a different energy. So, I quite like it.

Josh: So, was this high energy or what was this for you?

Mason: I think it's definitely higher energy.

Josh: Yeah, great. One Trick Tony's out today.

Mason: Yep.

Josh: That was a good episode. Yeah. And you're in that as well. I noticed that you, in one moment, you said we referring to you and her, like as in your show. And she quickly corrected. Yeah, we speak about you. She, Toni quickly corrected that it's her show and that you're just working on it for her. Yeah. But go cheque out One Trick Tony. Otherwise, uh, thank you, Sebs. Uh, everyone else, enjoy the rest of your day. Not you, Sebs, you got shit to do. And we'll see you tomorrow. Catch ya.