Getting Pulled Up

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 882.

Josh: Happy Hump Day, Gronks! What's happening? What's going on?

Tommy: It's, uh, it's a big day. Uh, Apple's done their announcements. Are you across what they've announced?

Josh: Yeah, it's amazing they've brought back the iPhone 4.

Tommy: It does just feel like it just— it's a bit cyclical, isn't it? We just go back.

Josh: This is late, dude. I mean, September, September is usually the release date. I understand that, you know, unprecedented times, Apple. But they've, um, yeah, so I just had a quick look this morning. I had no, no idea that this was even happening. So I wake up and I just see an article about some new phone and its features, and I think Josh, Josh is definitely already pre-ordered.

Tommy: Look, I'd be— I am across it. I watched the, um, the whole presentation and went for like an hour or so, but I also Shout out to Mason, uh, shit mate, great boyfriend. So I messaged him at 7:30 this morning with a completely unreasonable request, which is like, yo homie, could you look into the Apple announcement and we'll call you up on the show to get a rundown? Interested in what Aussie pricing is and how it compares to previous iPhones if possible. Only if you're not walking or something. And he said, "Would have loved to, but working out and making a breakfast up with Grace." Oh. Isn't that nice?

Josh: For the— I was going to—

Tommy: So, we don't know anything about— I don't know what's coming. No. So, he did it, but then he said essentially the iPhone mini is costing $1,200 Australian, the 12 is $1,350, the Pro is $1,700, the Pro Max is $1,850, the HomePod mini is $150 Australian, but this is if you are getting the base level of these things, right?

Josh: Like, so classic salesperson starting from, and then you walk out spending $80K on the top level iPhone.

Tommy: Exactly, exactly.

Josh: It's so annoying.

Tommy: And so, um, uh, I think— so the most interesting— anything stand out for you?

Josh: I do. The, the sharp, sharp edges. So they've gone from the bevelled or the, you know, soft sort of rounded edges back to the iPhone 4 shape. Which was like a, I don't know, just like a little fucking little sharp— I remember feeling it. I had one. I pretty much have had every one of those versions, the different types. And I don't know, I've got used to the circular edge. I like the feel of it. But I remember people saying, I'm holding out until that sort of sharp comes back. Like, my brother was that guy.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: He got an iPhone, and then I sold him my iPhone X. The—

Tommy: what about, do you know, are you across, um, Antennagate? Do you remember Antennagate?

Josh: Oh, is this the 5G people?

Tommy: No, no, no. Antennagate.

Josh: Oh, oh.

Tommy: So, Antennagate, it was actually, I've just Googled it. It was actually referred to, like Steve Jobs actually held a thing about it. Like, you know, he had to have a meeting, like a presentation. I'm just looking on Google Images and it says Antennagate. So, Antennagate was, I believe it was the iPhone 4. It was sort of those hard edges, but what would happen is if you held the sides of your phone, you would lose reception. Remember this? Fuck.

Josh: How far in development does it get before they go, oh, fuck, we're just gonna ship this anyway.

Tommy: No, no, no, don't hold it like that. Someone used it as a phone. As a phone. That's so annoying. So, it was interesting because I was watching, they're talking about all of the 5G stuff and the— What they do to make sure, to do all the testing, they have these massive domes where they're pushing other signals to test it all out. But do you remember what— you probably don't if you don't remember Antennagate. They actually had a fix for it. They created another product.

Josh: Was it the Butt Plug 2.0? That's where your antenna goes.

Tommy: Very similar. No, it was called the, um, it was called a bumper. Do you remember the, uh, do you remember the iPhone, the, the bumper, the bumper case? Yes. So a bumper, it was like, uh, it was almost like, uh, you know, the, um, the, the silicon wristband sort of things. If you imagine that going across over your phone. It was just a way if it had another surface in between your hand and the phone, it would work fine. And so, they were giving out free bumpers.

Josh: So, I remember those things, but I had no idea. I just thought, ah, it's a case. Essentially, it is a case, right? It's just like a case case.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like it was a, you know, cheap solution or whatever to a to a massive problem.

Josh: I mean, the question is, though, are you getting one or not?

Tommy: No. Nah. I mean, I can't even remember. Isn't it funny? Like the— I have no idea when I got— When did I get the Pro?

Josh: Was it the start of this year? Last year. No, last year, because we both had our new phones in Los Angeles, I think.

Tommy: And so— Oh, yeah, that's right.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: So, it'll be like next year you'll be able to get one or you could do the trade— Like the— I'm sure they're doing that.

Tommy: The trade-in sort of stuff. I mean, I feel pretty good. I don't know much about— how far 5G has spread in Australia at the moment. Like, I don't know, like it's great for populated areas. Like if you're at a— Where 5G is going to be really good is when you're going to the MCG. Remember, like you'd go to the MCG and you just like lose reception, especially like grand finals or stuff like that. You would just lose reception.

Josh: Or if you get concert. Yeah, great for big crowded areas, but COVID got that before anyone else. Exactly. COVID sorted that problem out.

Tommy: And so, yeah, I don't know if there's enough, like, if you actually look at it and you deconstruct all of the different features, there's nothing that I'm like super pumped about. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, I watched, I was like, typed in like up close with the iPhone 12 into YouTube, found this video from September, like a month ago that has the phone. It's not even like it's a fake. It's not Apple releasing this video. It's obviously someone's done the renders and it looks legit, but they've nailed it. It's like they've had the intel. They've definitely— I mean, it's companies like Quad Lock that do all the cases. They get idea— they get info on the designs to be able to get the cases ready. So I guess there's— it's going out to somebody. I mean, this is— there's leaks everywhere.

Tommy: I mean, like, but Apple have— has some of the most outrageous— I just wanted to correct myself. Because Jess gets annoyed when we say "Apple are" rather than "Apple is." So, like, I always think about Apple as like the team at Apple. And so, I'll say, "Oh, Apple are working on this thing." Yes. Because she's come from PR and she's written a lot of press releases and stuff. You're meant to say "Apple is." Anyway, the Apple are known. Fuck. I've done it again. Apple is known. Okay, this is gonna be— this is like Millions all over again, swallowing my L's. Let's just ignore it for today. If I fuck it up, it's okay.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: The team at Apple are very, very particular when it comes to security and making sure that there's no leaks. But there was— I don't know if you remember this, but there was a time where an Apple employee— they have to test the products, right? They have to take them out and about. Apple employee got a bit tipsy one night. They had the new phone in a like special case that hid it from being like, so you would just think it was a, the normal phone, but it was the next generation iPhone. And they left it in the back of an Uber and it ended up getting to a tech blogger. And the tech blogger tried to shop it around to different places, and they ended up with a search warrant and the police slamming down their door. Yeah, I mean, crazy.

Josh: That's the thing, the company's so big you'd be scared of just getting sued, just flat out sued. You'd be left with nothing. Yeah, I mean, Steve Jobs actually came back to life and found him and strangled him.

Tommy: Well, this was when Steve Jobs was still alive. And he, yeah, he was so pissed. Pissed about it.

Josh: He was just fucking around with that guy. Yeah.

Tommy: And they, because they were criticised because it wasn't just the way that the, it was basically like a criminal case or whatever. So, basically, they could go in and the police took everything. And so, they took all of his computers, all of the stuff rather than just taking The phone. And so, people were pissed off at the time because they were saying, hey, this is like a journalist or whatever, you know, blah, blah, blah. But Steve Jobs at the time was very specific in the way that he spoke around bloggers versus journalists. He wasn't actually that much of a fan of bloggers.

Josh: What do you think he was? Do you reckon he was a fan of podcasters? I mean, what would he classify them as?

Tommy: Yeah, I wonder. Like, I was on a rabbit hole. No, I was on a rabbit hole the other day, which was going through. So, podcasting started—

Josh: You were on or down? I mean, we just got to clarify. Were you at the top of the soil or were you in the—

Tommy: What does that mean? Oh, yeah. You said I was on a rabbit hole. In a rabbit hole.

Josh: Jess was going to pull you up.

Tommy: I was deep. I was deep. No, they— So, yeah, when Apple introduced podcasting into iTunes, was back in 2005. Podcasting started in 2004. But one of the things that was interesting, I was just watching all of these old iTunes, like old videos and things like that. I forgot that iTunes didn't start as a music store. Like, it didn't start as like you couldn't buy music from iTunes at the start. So, iTunes, their whole campaign back in the early 2000s, like 2001, when the iPod came out, it was rip, mix, burn. And so it was iTunes. It was about taking, ripping the music that you have and then reorganising or whatever and burning a CD.

Josh: Ripping. Fuck that term.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: That used to float around when I was young. Ripping. Oh, can you rip this? You rip this DVD. Fuck.

Tommy: And so, the thing is that I was watching this old video of Steve Jobs talking about it. Apple got a bunch of heat because in like young people when they talk about rip, it was like a term to like rip the stuff that they had, whereas all of the music execs saw it as ripping off. They thought it was like short for you rip, rip off this thing. And so, yeah. But before iTunes, there was no way of like, you would only rent music online, like from a digital perspective rather than buying. So iTunes had done a deal, Apple had done a deal with the music, like the studios to say, hey, we want people to be able to own the music. But they put this thing called DRM, digital rights management, on there, which meant that, yeah, when you used to have an iPod, if you would plug it— we don't even think about this stuff anymore, but when you'd plug in an iPod You could download your library from iTunes, but then if you went to a mate's house and plugged into their computer, if you wanted to sync, you had to wipe your device and get all of their stuff. It wasn't like the— There was some of these like smaller WAC, remember? Like the MP3s that were like a USB stick.

Josh: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They looked— They just look— They almost look like a little battery, like the cylinder shape. Long sort of display screen, very derpy, very dumb.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so did you have Napster back in the day?

Tommy: Yeah, I had Napster, had, uh, LimeWire.

Josh: LimeWire was after Napster. It was like a ref— I think Napster had been shut down by that point.

Tommy: Well, Napster, I think, even moved into a paid model. I think they ended up pivoting.

Josh: Um, I love the name Napster and the little icon at that. God.

Tommy: What do you remember downloading? Do you remember downloading any specific songs from Napster?

Josh: Um, I think it was like, um, uh, what's it called? Oh, fuck. Um, oh, Teenage Dirtbag. Like, no, no, no, that's great.

Tommy: Yeah, no, that's all right. I've been playing heaps lately.

Josh: The Offspring. The Offspring. Oh yeah, yeah, I was just remembering his hair. His hair was like— the guy from The Offspring was like Josh Janson when he was 10 years old, dyed his hair blonde.

Tommy: I'm sure it was in part of the inspiration. But the, um, uh, I've just— I'm just saying in the chat that Jess is saying, lol, she's obviously picking up all the is and are. Um, the— I remember Austin Powers, uh, being a big thing during the time of Napster and downloading a bunch of Austin Powers quotes.

Josh: Quotes?

Tommy: Yeah, so just be like little bits of like Fat Bastard. I got a bit of corn in my cup. You just download it, have it on your iPod, just walking along.

Josh: Well, you could get porn on there too, couldn't you? That was like— Or was that LimeWire? Yeah, no, no, no.

Tommy: LimeWire was— I feel like Napster was very much like an MP3 thing. But yeah, LimeWire and I think they were all using peer-to-peer tech, but it wasn't until later because sometimes you'd download— Remember you would download a song and then it would be scrambled. So there'd be anti-piracy companies going out and they would basically— if you imagine peer-to-peer is, it's like people are putting up these files and then you're downloading them. There would be a bunch of companies putting up files that are damaged so that when people download them, they, um, they wouldn't work.

Josh: I mean, it's a theme in our business to be picked up on how we're talking. I guess that's what we do. For a living in some ways. We communicate.

Tommy: We try. That's a goal.

Josh: The nuts and bolts. There's a few nuts and bolts missing, but that's okay. One of the things you got pulled up on was in conversation you say, "I get it, I get it," like very early on. And I was like, "Ah, yeah, yep, no, I get that. I listen, I understand when you say that." But it goes— that kind of went over my head. I got it, so I'm all good with it. There's one with Amy that I say that she's pulled me up on, and I don't even mean it in the way that I say it.

Tommy: I say, um, I've heard enough.

Josh: No, no, no. I say, oh, I'll let you, I'll let you. So it's like, I'll let you, okay, do this, very controlled. I'll let you, I'll let you, I'll let you cook dinner. Yeah, yeah, yes. And so it's easy to say, oh, I'll let you do dinner, or I'll let you do the, um, bath with Bodhi, I'll go and, you know, do that. And so, I don't even mean it in like, you have my permission to make our son.

Tommy: You have my permission to make dinner now. I'll let you order. It's almost like when I say, oh yeah, I'll let you, Bri, go into the grocery shop, you know, supermarket, and I'll mind the car. As if the car doesn't like lock. You know, it's like, fucking just minding, just looking out like I'm doing something heroic.

Josh: Yeah, I think it does definitely come from thinking, like, it probably comes from a place of wanting to do— I'm doing the other thing that you're not doing. So it's like, like you said, oh, I'll let you go. Like, it's something that they want to do.

Tommy: Sure.

Josh: But that's where it gets missed when it's of a task that is nobody wants to fucking do it.

Tommy: Well, it feels like you're being a bit of a martyr at that point. Like, it's just like, oh, I'm always, you know, I will do the hard stuff. It's like if Bri would say, "Oh, I'll let you, you know, cut the onions." It's like, well, you don't like cutting the onions. So, let's call a spade a spade. Yeah. I'm putting in some solid effort here. That's only ever happened once.

Josh: Or, "I'll let you lick the icing off the spoon." You know, like that's when it's, "Oh, darling, would you like me to let you, I'll let you lick the icing off the spoon." It's usually in something relating to something good, but I've started using it to shit things.

Tommy: But then also, once you start picking up on it, it's very hard to speak.

Josh: Yeah, I haven't spoken to Amy since.

Tommy: Have you let her speak to you?

Josh: No, no, absolutely not. That was the last thing I said. Amy, I'm not going to let you speak to me again.

Tommy: Yeah, it is a— It's definitely one of those things where like the "I get it." "I reckon I've..." The other one is "I reckon." I think Jess must be like a Lynne Janssen where she picks up on stuff because she says, "Oh, you say 'I reckon' a lot." I reckon.

Josh: You are quite Aussie in your pronunciation.

Tommy: Do you think?

Josh: But I might be too. It's, you know, it's easier to sort of see how someone else is outside of your own self.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, sure. I mean, you're pretty, you've got, you're a little bit sort of. Oh, yeah. Like, I think if there were two, if we were, I would like to see myself as more international.

Josh: Okay. So, I'm, oh, yeah. And you're, what are you, Afghan?

Tommy: No, no. You're Dave Hughes. And I am, yeah, I don't know who my voice, like, I don't know. I like to think this is the storey I've told.

Josh: You're a cheap David Attenborough.

Tommy: No, but the— I watch so much international content. Surely, like, I think that's a brand value. I like trying, you know, VPN stuff, watching, you know, things that aren't available to us. I got CNN working, by the way. Thank you, Dr. Kaye, for your help.

Josh: So, that's what you've wanted, more news in your life, or at least the American feed. I get it, you travel and you have it in the background, you feel like you're really international. I remember when, um, the, uh, royal scandal went down— not the royal scandal, the, uh, royal hoax— where a radio station called and got through to a nurse where the hospital that had, uh, a princess in. And, um, anyway, it turned— went pear-shaped. But I remember when that all went pear-shaped, I was in LA in my hotel room listening to CNN and they were referencing the person that I worked with that had done it. And I was like, this is so surreal knowing the person that they're talking about. Yeah, like, you know, work in the same fucking building as them.

Tommy: News is so weird. It's like the— so I was watching CNN, they had the guy that, you know, that juice that we spoke about. I watched the— Shannon Tilney sent me the video of the guy drinking as he's on the rollerblades, like, um Skateboarding. Yeah.

Josh: Dogface. Is it Dogface? Yeah. I don't know.

Tommy: Dogface style or something. TikTok guy.

Josh: Yeah. Great story.

Tommy: But they've got like, they had him on CNN and I just don't know if the anchor really cared as much as he was pretending, but he was like, man, this is the thing that we need in 2020. I'm just thinking about it. Ah, okay. Oh, oh man, this guy, this guy is a delight. Oh, you are going to love him, man. Welcome to the big stage. How are you? Like, this is how he's talking. I was just like, this is not the news. That like, it's almost— I don't like when the news covers the internet because you see their blind spots.

Josh: Well, you see where they're trying to either relate. It's like they're trying to search for It's, it's, you know what it's like, you're at a party and there's someone that sort of like is a bit daggy and they always rock in and they're like trying to jump in on the cool conversation.

Tommy: Are you the cool guys?

Josh: Well, yeah, if there's one of us out of, you know, out of you and I, it's the, it's the referencing. You guys seen that TikToker? But that guy's, this, the story, just not that this is about that we're cool, we can speak about it. But that guy who did this TikTok and it went viral, and he lives in a trailer park with his young daughter, and you just tell this guy is so genuine, and he's, you know, just done this thing that has fucking flipped his world upside down. Yeah, and he's in hotel— like, I hope, I hope it's a— hope it's a good thing. Like, I hope it doesn't get to— he seems like he's old enough for it to be like, oh my God, this is awesome for my family. Like, you know, we can get out of the trailer park, I can make cash now.

Tommy: What do you reckon a brand deal— so I was thinking about this, I was like, if you were a brand, what's the juice called? It's like a cranberry juice. Cranberry juice.

Josh: Cranberry juice. But it was, yeah, I mean, that bottle is probably, you know, that bottle, imagine the company that—

Tommy: Yeah, so I was thinking the juice, they're getting enough out of it already. They don't really need to do anything. But what's the secondary brand within the video where he could recreate it? And it could be like a TVC, um, pre-roll video for a brand. I had an idea.

Josh: Well, it's, it's not helmet safety because he doesn't have a helmet. Oh, that's true. He's got tattoos all over him, uh, on his head, like on the side of his head. He's got clothes on, so there's merch opportunities, um, skateboard. Skateboarding. I mean, there's recycling. He could be— It could be a recycling ad.

Tommy: The recycling ad's really good. Yeah, the area I went into was the skateboard stuff around like electric skateboards. Yeah. So, it could start off that way and then all of a sudden, he like— The remote comes off and then it comes up and he presses the remote and then he's in like full gear and he's like, yeah, doing like crazy tricks.

Josh: Have you seen he's actually doing— So, he's using— This is the worry. It's actually not the worry, you know, being known as the one-trick person. And so for him, well, his trick is riding a skateboard, drinking a beverage, and sort of just having fun. And so he's already done it with like a hot sauce, and he's obviously been paid some cash. Yeah, they've jumped on early, and it's the obvious thought: recreate, do exactly what you did with my product in your hand.

Tommy: Sure.

Josh: And, and he's got this weird thing, he's drinking a hot sauce. I'm pretty sure it— at the first I was like, tomato, fucking, is he drinking like tomato sauce? And then I see he's tagged in a hot sauce business. And so I wonder at that point that—

Tommy: what do you reckon, what sort of cash do you think?

Josh: Oh dude, minimum, minimum $30K. To just go out and you skateboard for that guy.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I would say like the thing is there's two approaches.

Josh: He's bought the trailer park he lives in.

Tommy: Yeah, the whole thing, like, so if you do the, the $30K sort of stuff, you'll, you're going to play in the volume game. You're going to have to do 5 or 3 or 4 of these sort of things, whereas there's probably a bigger Exclusive play, you would think, where it's going for the much higher ticket item.

Josh: Yeah, I agree.

Tommy: And just get it.

Josh: He's got a manager now, though. He's got a manager.

Tommy: Of course.

Josh: And so, they—

Tommy: It's so American, isn't it? Just like having a manager. I think every person that we met, didn't matter if they were an Uber driver or working at McDonald's, they had a manager.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, everyone's got a manager at McDonald's. Um, it's just a little bit different.

Josh: Yeah, dude, it's, um, it is weird. The internet is a weird place. How it just changes your life. And I hope it's for the best for that bloke.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely.

Josh: But I mean, he was doing it anyway. He was doing it well, like, just having fun with his daughter, having fun at work. Just seemed like a happy-go-lucky guy. I reckon where he'll land is like a, um, a weed sponsorship. I saw he, um, he dabs. He dabs. So it's like resin, remember that stuff when we went to— it's like this, these little, this little paste and you burn it and it's, and it's got, it's basically the same as smoking marijuana. And so he, he's mentioned that in videos, like he has like a canister of this stuff around his neck. And so I could imagine him landing some deals there.

Tommy: Yeah, it is. It is interesting. Today on Hump Day Replay, Krystal Andrews is on the show with—

Josh: We love Krystal.

Tommy: With GB and the crew. It was great. I was speaking to Sev and Jess and GB afterwards, and GB asked big questions, which I just— like, he ended up like— Jess said, oh yeah, GB asked some big questions. I'm like, what, like about the economy? And she's like, yeah, yeah, ask Krystal about the economy and a bunch of stuff. So, I'm excited to listen to that today on hump day replay. Are you off tomorrow and Friday? Are you off from now? This is the last episode.

Josh: This is the last ep for this week. Taking some annual leave. I mean, this is me breaking the streak. This is—

Tommy: I did it with my COVID test.

Josh: You did it. Yeah. Yep. You got a COVID test. I'm not having a COVID test.

Tommy: I mean, you could even get one. Might as well.

Josh: I could get one. I got time. I got time to kill.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I can't go anywhere else.

Tommy: Maybe read 3 hours of TikToks. I mean, where are you going? What are you going to do? What are you thinking about? What's on your list?

Josh: Well, nothing. Nothing. That's whole— I reckon I'll try and do 3 meditations in a day.

Tommy: You're just going to sleep.

Josh: Read some, read a book and just chill.

Tommy: What about the shed in the back? Because I know that when—

Josh: It's going to be raining. It's going to be raining, guys. It's been delivered, the shed's come. And so I reckon, um, Grand Final Day I'll get that up, which is a week, a week out from—

Tommy: So will Grand Final Day have a grand final on it?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, just not in Victoria.

Tommy: Okay. Do we know who the grand finals—

Josh: It's in Brisbane, it will be in Brisbane, and they haven't— were it— the deciding matches are happening. Okay. So It will be decided. I really hope that Brisbane— for any international listeners, it's usually in Melbourne, has never been in— I don't think it's ever been in another state, usually the MCG, still in lockdown.

Tommy: So, do they have crowds or no crowds?

Josh: No, it'll be full up in Brisbane. They'll fill that stadium.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Well, they'll do it to what they can, but that's why it's up there, because it's open.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: And so, So, yeah, imagine it never happens in Brisbane and then it happened, then randomly based on the situation, it happens in Brisbane and a leading team and they get in. I'm— So, I'm barracking for Brisbane.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: If they get in.

Tommy: Yeah, that would be fun. And then we've also— We've got Melbourne Cup is still happening.

Josh: It is?

Tommy: Yeah. Do I hear that? So, I don't know what the deal is. Like, I'm guessing— No marquees.

Josh: Yeah, well, I just saw no nibbles. Sydney, they can do events outside with up to 500 people, so it is all kind of— it's all kind of happening. But I just heard this morning my favourite cafe when I used to live in Shepparton has, um, closed because a person with coronavirus has been coming in. And so there's been a new case in in the Goulburn Valley, which, uh, yeah, I saw that post on Facey.

Tommy: Talking about someone with COVID um, Trump in his rallies, man, you just got to watch the video just for a laugh. But he, uh, he comes into the rally, um, on the, you know, the big, uh, what's, what's the, the plane called, the pre— that the president goes in? Uh, Air Force One.

Josh: Air Force One, yep.

Tommy: So, you know, arrives in that and they've got fucking YMCA Like, that's the song like that they have playing, you know, YMCA. And he's like, at the end, he's like, you know, walking around just sort of— I don't actually see him. The headline said Trump does YMCA or whatever. I didn't see him. I don't know if it's too low status for him to actually do the moves, but he was just sort of doing a bunch of sort of fists and yeah, and pointing at people and being like, yeah, come on, let's go, you do it, you do it.

Josh: I mean, you do that kind of stuff, that it works. It has a vibe. There's a vibe. It is a vibe.

Tommy: Which bit do I do, the pointing or the—

Josh: Oh, just like the— they're almost just slightly comical moves that you just like, you know, the wobble of your head or just like moving your hips or, you know, it's, um, it has—

Tommy: it works.

Josh: It's a thing. It's just I mean, the difference was Obama just actually moonwalking out and fucking owning it. He can actually dance. No, no, but he like, he can move. Yeah. I've seen him sort of get around. Imagine Trump playing basketball. Like, you see Obama, he had— I remember these YouTubers wanted to, you know, get to the White House to play basketball and they did it and they got there and Obama played a bit of b-ball with them. Imagine, and he took off his jacket. And so, he's got his, you know, tight white, sort of lean Obama.

Tommy: But he had a little bit, I remember he had it tucked in, but it's like a little bit like you can see, and you see he's got a good rig. But he's like, but it wasn't too tight, I don't think. I feel like it had like a little bit of, it was very sort of of the time.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know.

Josh: And I mean, that's the thing. Imagine trying to play a bit of basketball with Trump. I mean, if I had the option to choose Trump or Obama to play a bit of basketball with, I'd go Trump for the just weirdness of it.

Tommy: It's just like, weird.

Josh: Yeah, let's just see if his toupee falls off.

Tommy: It's, it's so weird, isn't it? Yeah, the whole thing's weird. Anyway, coming up to— well, it's like a couple of weeks until the election in the States.

Josh: There's a countdown timer, 20-something days. Um, I— yeah, yeah, I, I actually saw Ryan Holiday posted— a photo on his Instagram, which I actually really— I got around it. He said he's putting up a photo, putting up a big billboard of "Vote for Biden." And he said even someone with conservative values knows what the right thing is to do.

Tommy: Well, because he was saying— But he even was specific about it. He said, you know, someone who owns guns. Yeah. Who, you know, has their own meat that they kill, you know, lives on a ranch, all that sort of thing. Um, yeah, it feels like there is that. Um, yeah, I mean, I, I have no doubt that we're still in our own echo chamber, all that sort of thing. Um, but yeah, no, it's interesting, like, saying, seeing that sort of stuff, like, okay, maybe, maybe it is, there is going to be positive change. Even like, people aside, you know, just moving towards, like, you can't look back in the last you know, year and say, oh, things are going well. Like, there needs to be some, some form of change.

Josh: So what's coming in, and that is in the form of, uh, me being, uh, away until next week from today.

Tommy: And the other thing I'd like to say is I've been so into the US election that, uh, the Electoral Commission or whatever has been fucking emailing me. I don't know if I've changed my address, so I'm probably going to get a fine or some shit. Have you got a vote as well?

Josh: Well, Amy filled the form out, I signed it, and it was a postal vote. It's a postal vote. I let her do it.

Tommy: Let her do it. So nice.

Josh: I get it, I get it. I said, Amy, I get it, I'll let you do it.

Tommy: Well, yeah, they emailed me. I'm not sure, I still need to get the sticker for my new address. Like, I've— I probably shouldn't say new anymore because I've been here for For a year and a half. How long have I been here for?

Josh: Yeah, quite some time. Yeah, quite some time. I mean, can't you do it online? This is fucking boring.

Tommy: Well, they've already got an email. No, you could have. I'm sure I could have just clicked a button, but they said, um, I just got an email saying, hey, your, uh, your, um, voting stuff is being sent to your nominated, like, your residential address.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So, anyway, uh, I don't even know what it's— What is it for? Local?

Josh: It's for local, it's for local. And if we're going to take anything from this, it's remember to vote.

Tommy: Yeah, we probably should look into our own backyard, hey?

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Maybe.

Josh: Check out Hump Day replay, it's just dropped.

Tommy: Yep. And see you tomorrow with someone trying their best to fill the shoes of Tommy Jackett. Who will it be? I don't know. We'll find out. Have a good one, guys. See ya.