Josh Janssen: [00:00:00] It's the daily talk show episode 884.
Hamish Blake: [00:00:09] Hey, what's going on? How is everyone? I'm Tommy Jackett?
Yeah. Wait, what's going on?
Josh Janssen: [00:00:16] Uh, no,
Hamish Blake: [00:00:17] that's very good. He says, is that the catch phrase?
Josh Janssen: [00:00:19] He says, what's happening guys. What's going on? What's
Hamish Blake: [00:00:21] happening guys. What's going on? What's happening guys? Yeah, that wasn't, that wasn't a bit that came naturally.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:27] No, that's okay. There's YouTube is tend to do that. They have these catch cries that they say, do you let the kids watch YouTube?
And have they fallen in love with certain YouTube is.
Hamish Blake: [00:00:37] No, I don't. I mean, not, no, I'm not anti it. I'm just like, I know it's going to happen. So I'm just not racing to do it. Speaking of kids. Um, do I, do you want me to keep up the construct that I'm Tommy? Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:00:49] unless you love talking cause he's obsessed with it or she's or who she is or whatever, like the dyno Bodie.
Hamish Blake: [00:00:55] Yeah. Yeah, we have resistance as well. You know, Hamish bike's daughter screaming in the background from time to time today. For some reason at Tommy's house, I thinks it's going to happen today. Tommy's house. Um, no, the YouTube stuff. Luckily, like we haven't unlocked that Pandora box yet, but Vivino, you can't get the genie back in the lamp or Pandora's pants back in her box or back in the Walnut.
Doesn't take her to that. But you know, once it happens, like my, I know other kids have gotten like one of mine. Yeah. She, she really likes these unboxing videos and she has her favorite people that do it. And at first I was like, ah, this is strange. And then I watched it and I was like, I do get it. I totally, I think Tokamak is, should be annoyed and unboxing videos because remember, I think it taps into that whole.
Um, it's that fantasy. Remember when we were kids and you'd get like the toy world catalog or the toys R us catalog, that's all, you could save the toy. Like what the marketing people showed you was like, that is it. You had to just imagine what could possibly be in there box. Like that was the whole trick of toys was to convince you and like, Hot wheels, ads and transformers, ads and stuff.
The whole trick of the ad was to convince you that having this toy will be way better than it actually is. Then you get the toy, then it's kind of a let down. And, but it's like that rush of opening the box and seeing what's in there. And now kids just get that dopamine hit for any toy they want and they just sit there and watch someone.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:23] So do you not have, like, is this the minimalist approach? To parenting where it's like, no, you can't have the toy, but yes, you can watch
Hamish Blake: [00:02:31] someone like, yeah. And I reckon it takes like 90% of the thrill of owning the toy out of it. And they kind of move on to the next one. So like, Is watching this unboxing, you like, they unbox it, then they build it.
So it's like unbox a Lego set. Then they'd like, time-lapse speed build it. And they might play with a little bit and she's just glued to it. And I'm sitting there going, I got to hand it to this YouTube, but she's pretty good at this. She's got like pretty nails and she does, she, she like highlights the interesting bits of the Lego and I got stuck there for like an hour watching movie build.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:00] Yeah. I find that I can watch the weirdest stuff on YouTube. Like I just like at Dane, the life stuff. Just watching some wine
Hamish Blake: [00:03:09] making. I know this is not a wild observation either, but the greatest it wrong scarf, I suppose, of our generation was when YouTube came out as an idea and they're like, Oh, you know, Google bought it for 3 billion, whatever.
We're like, yeah. No way, man. They're the worst of the worst. Cause we were just starting on TV at the time were like good luck internet idiots that you have to make something great with like heaps of graphics and editing. And that's the only way you can make things. Roman's golf.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:41] Have you ever had a brand that's come to you and said, Hey, would you do a vlog?
Like have you ever been requested to do something that is that very, I can't imagine you're doing a tick tock. You don't seem like the tick tock type.
Hamish Blake: [00:03:53] I never, I haven't gotten to take talk and I'm fine with that. I ended up people were into it and it seems like fun for them. And that's font. I'm definitely like I lift Twitter a wall, like, you know, years ago.
And I'm just, I'm just go well, it's great. And I get the people like it, but I I'm so glad that I don't feel like I need to be there every day. Like participating in that love Instagram and I'm happy dipping into Instagram. Maybe I'll take it good days off, but you delete it. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:19] Or do you just,
Hamish Blake: [00:04:20] I sometimes just go, well, I just go, okay.
Okay. Well, I've had some fun there for a while and I'm delighted just to know that I can for five or six days and then jump back on. So I haven't had anyone come and ask me to do a blog as yet. I don't even know what I would. This is where I'm beginning to feel old. Like. I'm not a hundred percent sure. I wouldn't know what they're talking about.
If they said, fuck, like, what do you mean
Josh Janssen: [00:04:42] holding the cat? Have you ever gone around with the camera? I guess you sort of did it with the Expedia Expedia stuff. That was sort of like a blog where it's like, you're holding a camera and it's like very one-to-one with you.
Hamish Blake: [00:04:54] Okay. Yep. Yep. Expedia was fun because they were just like, look, w you know, would you do something for Expedia?
I said, well, if we could. If I could like pick a thing to do. And I just had an idea about like, pretending to be like a travel photographer or like an amazing 12 photographer, but that was fun because I was just like, yeah, sure. We'll, you know, we'll pay for your accommodation on your holiday and you do that.
And then everyone wins. Just kidding. If the tax office is listening, there was no transfer of benefits,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:27] uh, uh, traveling. Uh, you're doing this, the you're a ambassador for Australia. What does it take to end up doing something like that? Like a ambassador of any type where it's for an entire country.
Hamish Blake: [00:05:42] Um, yeah, big, big, big, big deal for the country.
I guess. You know, the fun side of things is that, um, you know, I mean, my wife and I we'd love traveling anywhere, like so, and I love getting out there and going on holidays and that's of course something that, you know, it's not a difficult one to go, okay, I'll do this. Um, uh, and let's officiate this partnership.
That's the fun side of it. But being an ambassador is obviously the other side of it, which is, you know, like going to the UN, talking to other countries, like stopping Wars, um, making alliances, like I'm
Josh Janssen: [00:06:14] guessing you're not like in the tourism bit, you're not covering that
Hamish Blake: [00:06:18] sort of stuff. Yeah. Well, I don't tell the moment, tourism, Australia ambassador at the UN, I just say I sort of mumbled the tourism bid and I stray ambassador.
So let's talk. And I am, I have, I've had a few calls from scam. I've had a cup, couple of tellings off, cause I've made a few soft alliances with countries that I thought could just be me the edgier and could give us a couple of, you know, it could be a fun, fun person to bring to the table. And he's like, sort of telling me how, like, you know, there's a process to this stuff.
We have to go. It's awful. You don't upset China and all that. So I'm learning. I'm learning. Um, you know, we'll refund the tanks to Venezuela. I made a mistake. I'm sorry. It's my first week doing this. I'm trying to encourage people to have holidays and then trying to sort of organize a stronger, um, stronger military presence in the South.
China sea. I mean, it's a, it's a big job, man. It's a big job.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:07] Have you seen that? That they used to be a hotel. It was in sort of like, uh, the Northern part of, uh, Australia where it was like, I think it was like, sort of like Queensland app sort of like top of Queensland where it was a floating hotel. Have you, have you seen that?
Hamish Blake: [00:07:23] Never seen that like an old, like a steam boat.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:26] No. So it was, it was actually, it was a, it was a hotel that was, uh, uh, I think it was right next to the great barrier reef. Uh, potentially
Hamish Blake: [00:07:35] you hope it's, you hope it's was built at a time where they understood like the ecological
Josh Janssen: [00:07:39] I'm sure
Hamish Blake: [00:07:42] toilets, flushing stone to the refund.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:45] I think I, it had that vibe because it ended up, um, they ended up shipping it across to North Korea, but I just ended up on this rabbit hole of watching this.
Hamish Blake: [00:07:54] I went to North Korea.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:55] Yeah. And they like to set it up there. Um, Oh, gee, I mean, this is one of those stories where I don't know enough, so I
Hamish Blake: [00:08:01] probably shouldn't have brought, I mean, you're, I mean, I should know as the ambassador now for tourism, I should know about the history of all hotels.
I'm gonna chase that up. I'm gonna see if we can get it back and see if we can get it back. Obviously not on the briefing where I think we need to protect the reef a little bit more than we have, but, um, let's just, let's just see if we check it somewhere else.
Josh Janssen: [00:08:18] Check it on the marriage. There was the David Attenborough doco.
Have you seen the social dilemma? Have you seen this guy?
Hamish Blake: [00:08:24] Yes.
Josh Janssen: [00:08:24] Yes. So if feel, everything feels a bit dark at the moment. It
Hamish Blake: [00:08:29] feels like it does. Isn't it, it's both of those. I'll let you know, two nights apart, three nights apart. So just. You would just like, I think maybe if you watch those close together, you basically go, Oh, I spent so much time looking at this thing.
You find that I forgot about this thing. Keyworth.
Josh Janssen: [00:08:46] Yeah. It's so annoying. And the only thing stopping me, stress eating is watching like one of their, um, documentaries on health. Like, cause I feel like that was a big thing. Remember Netflix? Everything was, it was like the sugar film. It was the changes.
There was all that stuff as well.
Hamish Blake: [00:09:04] I did like, I mean, I'd be interested to get your thoughts on the Edinburgh, um, DACA. I mean, I loved it and I love, I just love him. You just like, you know, thanks. It's just one of those ones where he's, he's so sort of ubiquitous. You're like, well, we don't have to have a David app.
And we're like, you realize you're lucky to have someone like that, but like, Represents the brand of the wild, like of nature of it. Even the, even at, you know, there's footage of him at UN conferences and stuff, and like really going, Hey, this is, you know, this isn't a drill and we're in a tiny window now to, to save humanity and.
You are just grateful that there's someone that, that people care enough about to get that audience because there's, um, there's, you know, there's probably hundreds of thousands of scientists that could that know the same detail and could say the same thing, but they're just not holding a crowd. And the hard thing about it in today's society is that he's a bit of a marketing game.
It's like, okay, it's a, you're competing with. For attention and for people to care yeah. About this stuff, you competing with weed, other forces, like of just churn and burn, click baity news and stuff. And that's the kind of the real tragedy is that I think the hardest thing. So are you grateful? You know, like we're so lucky to have an number and then you have that it's a 90 minute doco and I felt for that first 60 minutes, you just feel that.
Not building something just going dead, man. We've blown it. Like we find this and what it takes to get out of this. It's just such a bigger, it's basically saying to people, Hey, don't be greedy and think longterm. And there's, there's probably two trends that have increased over the last hundred years.
It's. Be greedy and think short term. And that's the, that's the real, that's the kind of a sinking pit feeling you have in your stomach. But I think they wouldn't, they knew that making that doco and they do spend, I think, a good bunch of that last 20 to 30 minutes, going all is not lost. It's a, it's a tough balance.
They must know, like it's no good making a complete doomsday documentary, even though that's probably what you feel like doing because that's the facts. But at the same time, you kind of give people false hope to be like, but you know what, if you just use 50% less plastic try and vague and once a week we'll be fine.
Cause that's not the truth, unfortunately. So they, I think they do a good job of like, of, of going here's some broad things, some trends that we need to make, um, habit for humanity that can. Arrested and it's possible.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:36] How do you, how do you reconcile it in regards to you being of influence within Australia?
And then I feel like there'd be a bunch of people who would say. Oh, I could imagine in a given day you'd be having people constantly saying, Hey, this is the, the next thing that we need. We need people to know about this. And you're sort of the gatekeeper for all of these, uh, eyes and ears and all this sort of thing.
How do you reconcile your influence and then working out what you do personally, versus what, what you want to do or think you should do? That's sort of a more public level.
Hamish Blake: [00:12:13] Well, it is definitely, I mean the environmental side of things and specifically, yeah. The environmental side of things is something I cared deeply about.
I think a lot about I have the same massive level of anxiety is I suppose the rest of our generation is just going. Yeah. Uh, you know, it's such a big problem. And of course the only solution is, is action. And then, but, but. I think there's also a part of me that goes, but I, I have, you know, you have 20 years experience in the public, um, domain of knowing.
Like, you know, how people's attention works when you can, when you're going to lose it, when it's going to be, when a message is going to be received, like you can just yell about something, but you will lose, like, you know, you will, people will drift away and you don't get that chance again. So to be honest, right now, this is the Snapchat right now, where I'm at is like, I do care deeply about this.
And I'm thinking about ways that we can do that, do this properly too, because I think the real goal is to have people who weren't thinking about this, think about it. It's great. You can stand up at the, at the UN forum for climate change. I'm not having, but I'm saying, you know, you can pick a pick, you know, you can stand up in a room for people that understand climate change and understand it's an emergency and talk to them about it.
And that's fine, but it's like, it's the people that we all know that are like, Oh, I heard that, you know, it was being fixed or it was being blown up or, you know, Australia's only 2% of emissions or whatever. Like the people that have rationalized it and moved on, it's probably the people that. He's more effective to reach.
So you think about that and then you just go, that's that? That's what, why isn't my mind, because of course, and this goes for any cause or causes a good causes. There's no bad cause. Um, and so, you know, when people are in the public life, I do think you've got an opportunity to help educate people, but you also have to pick your moments because.
It can be that sort of, that contract with your audience who are there for one thing, like you can't get too carried away, just going, everyone will love everything I have to say. Um, you don't want to snap that just because you watch a documentary. So I think it requires sort of like a, a measured response, but having said that the environment, the.
Future of humanity is something I care about deeply. I love humans. I've very fond of the ones that live in my house. I would love them and their children to be growing up on a planet that is taken care of. And the one thing I really liked about the documentary too, which is I think, yeah, a slight change to the message, which is.
And it's the thing that I get frustrated with when you talk to people who are quick to write off climate change, activism is just being, you know, too, um, you know, to hear the hysterically grain or whatever. Where it's not about, it's actually not about saving the planet because the planet earth will be fine.
Like we'll, won't be fine, but won't be fine by our definition of fine, but it will be here for another 10 billion years. It's been here for 4 billion. It will be here for another 10, but like it used to be covered in lava. It doesn't care how hot it gets. It's immune to heat. It's the. Animals that live on the planet that need it to be a very, very, very like insanely specific, um, temperature.
And that's, that's, that's the difference between saving the planet versus saving the plants and animals that live on the planet and in the oceans,
Josh Janssen: [00:15:42] uh, Uh, having a Xero and seeing like what she does in regard from a business perspective, like being like day to day, watching how she operates and runs a business that is not just like a, from a brand perspective, but it's like actual consumer products and things like that.
Yeah. What have you learned or taken away or can you give some insights into what it's like? At the back end of a business where with 2020,
Hamish Blake: [00:16:12] the backend of a business is, Oh, you know, I just don't think there's any accidental successes. I mean, so it's like anyone I suppose in business is working flat out then on top of that, there's a layer of.
You're in the hands of the public, like union at the hands of your consumers and, and, and Mmm. Is the wrong word. But then you, then there's a layer of random chance that goes on top of that. But I don't think there's anyone that's successful that is just like, not really paying attention on the backend and kind of is accidentally successful.
I'm sure there's a lot of people that work flat out. And aren't achieving the kind of, you know, the market penetration, they would hope to be achieving. And that's that layer of chance that's on top, but you know, those obviously running a super successful and loved, um, business. And, but she, I think it's a real, it is the real people say the tip of the iceberg.
Like she's, she's, I've got I'm so extremely an aura of the, of the way she goes about it, because I also know, I mean, she said publicly that she didn't. Say that to be in business. She said it to make, she's a great writer. She's an excellent communicator. She loves people. She loves women. She wanted to make skincare great and fun.
And, and it was that creative side that drew her into wanting to start the business. But the reality is like once a business starts to grow and you've got customers and you've got. You know, warehouses and supply chains, supply chains and regulations, and 55 different versions of a formulation coming in and, and the
Josh Janssen: [00:17:43] social impact stuff, right?
Like if you think about it,
Hamish Blake: [00:17:46] there's a huge amount of social impact stuff that I I'm really proud of. So for stepping up and going, I want to understand and late and learn more and set a great example to the women that look up to her and the young girls who look up to her, I think he's incredibly admirable.
And all of those things have nothing to do with writing funny stuff on the side of a moisturizer, which is what she got into it for to do. So I've seen her go through a massive learning curve. And then on top of that, though, there's a real difference between going through the learning curve at a company.
Like if you just were like, Oh, I don't know. I just like scam to this job in finance, but I had to learn on my feet and I, well, a lot that there's a huge difference between going, I think, going through a learning curve when you just work for a company versus when you other founder. And so. You're learning a lot all the time, but at the spot, you're always in there position where ultimately the buck stops with you and you're making the call on things.
And for anyone that's at the top of a business or an organization, I think I know we've even, you know, even people I've spoken to in government. You have this perception that there's like a right way and a wrong way, or a playbook, um, a set of advisors who are like, do this. We can't lose. Yeah. But it's just not the way the world works.
You just always making the best,
Josh Janssen: [00:19:00] like as if there's this single truth. Like the thing is, yeah, I think that the, the other part of it is it's like not only is there no single truth, it's your, the truth from 2019 is not the truth. From 2020, you're working on a re the remembering project at the moment, going back into the archives.
How cancelable are you from all the shit that you've done, like doing 2005, max, nothing there, things where it's like, let's bury the lead. Like let's, let's, let's bury this, this idea, looking at the run sheet. You know,
Hamish Blake: [00:19:38] I mean, we haven't come across anything that we would that so far is just gone. Okay. That was a very different time.
I mean, I do actually something popped up the other day, but I can't remember what it was, which I'm sure if we did it Bailey, um, same, same for anyone. Um, what we, what we have, uh, what we have realized is. In terms of what was true of yesterday, what was true and what's true today, of course, those things shifts, but it's more, more of the quality matrix I suppose, of going, Oh, we thought that was great at the time.
And, and it's just not the kind of thing that you would do today, but I'm glad we're finding that too, because like, when our show was when our radio show was big, like when it's gained to the stage now where we are pretty old guys talking about the high back, like I think we're right at that point, we're talking 12 years ago.
That's. That's enough water under the bridge now, too. Like if you're in year 12 talking about prep yes. That that time has passed and you've become a different person. So it's fun. It's really fun to look back on, but I, uh, that's why we, we, we built this pug. I mean, for people that don't know, this is just me and Andy, we, we kind of select a random day from the past and one talk break from the show and we have all the run sheets from my old shows and so, and all the audio.
So we look at the ranch at time. Remember, what would have been going through our minds that day? Then we listened to the audio. The reason we did it like that, rather than just doing a highlight. I mean, not that I think it would stand up, but rather than calling it like, Hey, here's the best bits or whatever it was like, we know it's not going to be great by today's standards.
There's like, That would just be embarrassing to be going, Hey guys, this was funny in 2007 and it's bloody funny now. So the
Josh Janssen: [00:21:17] laugh, what's the context like Louis, Theroux's got a series at the moment where he's going back to the archives and he's at home or whatever he's going through. And it's awesome.
It's like the same, like so much of the stuff is things that I've already seen, but he's bringing the, bringing it into a context text.
Hamish Blake: [00:21:34] Yes. I saw an article about him talking about that and I would love to say that. Yeah. He's he also wrote a book, I think, where he goes back and meet some of the people that he's he's met on the journey.
I was surprisingly in that, in the interview I read with him about that show was how many people he stays in contact with too. Like he stays in contact with a bunch of the people he's interviewed.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:56] Yeah, it is, it feels like he's type of role. Like it's a bit of a moment in time around like, it's very specific.
Like it's, it's sort of interesting to think of like this, that writer documentarian, like he, he sort of follows that sort of BBC path. I just, I wonder what that would look like. I wonder what the next versions of the throughs in the world will be like.
Hamish Blake: [00:22:24] Yeah. I mean, but at the time, I suppose like 15 years ago, I'd like to, to, to just be guns I'd like to do rather than to talk about.
And that, that was his early stuff. Remember was really that notion of like, all right, well, I'll get, I think there was like, you know, the plastic surgery, one where he's like, yeah, I'll get, you know, lip, fluids. I think he was going to get lipo. That was
Josh Janssen: [00:22:46] one, one where he did like a full nude.
Hamish Blake: [00:22:50] party where he's like, I'm going to jump in the pool node.
And I think early on it, that was the hook, I guess, to be like, look at this guy actually does it. I remember the hunting one where he was just so clear, not down with hunting. And he was in like a game reserve in Africa. And, and it was in a hive and sort of had the crossbow setup. And I was just like, Oh my God, he's going to, I, as someone that was in TV, myself, like starting in and television myself, and you sort of think you go, Oh, Whoa, what would you know, if I was making this show, what would I be doing now?
I was like, Oh my God. I think he's, I think he's the oldest animal just cause he's like painted himself into a corner
and then. He just behaves. He, you know, whether it was planned or not, he backs down. I remember. And he's like, I just don't feel comfortable doing this, which at the time I loved watching. Oh yeah. I, I guess young and, and like not, um, Probably the less secure about, you know, what you can realize that you can, and can't, can't make your own choice.
You can make your own choices, even if you're on camera, like that's good TV is watching someone be authentic. I just had that. Yeah. Dumb idea in my head that will, once you've said you're doing something on camera, you have, have to do it. Cause that's basically what all our stuff was just like P pee, each other intellect jumping out of planes and doing eating weird shit and stuff.
Like there was no option of backing down in the stuff and were doing. So I kind of loved what I remember. That stuck with me that he was like, I'm not going to do this. And that's, that's now part of the doco.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:23] Well, I think that he gets, um, a lot of people talking about sort of like a photo naivety with things like he's coming to this thing, being acting a little bit dumb or
Hamish Blake: [00:24:32] he was kind of bore adding it a little bit.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:34] Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [00:24:35] And so what I'd like to get you on saw light too, but not, I mean, very, very bore at life. Like he's I don't, I, I, I think he, I mean, it would be up to him to make the call, but I think he does a graduate of, he would never, he would never lie to get someone. On the track, he will allow them to run their own race.
Um, he, you know, he's not going to see it, doesn't stop people with the same things that we know watching it, like bigoted or, you know, homophobic and things like that. But he will never start that conversation, I suppose. So that's, that was his art.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:07] And I think that he's had sort of a transition from, if you look at the weird weekend, the early days, it was very much more sort of like an English guy in the U S playing up that sort of character tour.
Do you find. With Hamish and Andy, the Hamish. That you play, uh, on air. Like, I think it's a version of you, but I think at the same time there's and I was speaking to Jack about sort of the one dimensional nature that you can sort of fall into with, if you're doing a show, uh, all the time tackling Jack, right?
Like cackling Jack, can he, you know, we see what he's doing with Jackie road studios and all that sort of thing, and it's so good. And you see. But you see how a format can force you to say, okay, stay in your lane. Cause that's what you're really good at. But it's also a little bit of a mind. Fuck. Because, so for instance, you, I feel like your character is sort of, uh, a little bit loose, a little bit lazy, uh, you know, sort of, yeah, probably not even like don't have any sort of athletic prowess, all of these things, which like.
Is actually not the case. And so like, what is, what is interesting is it's like, Oh, Oh, Hey. I'm like, how, how are you going to go going up that Hill or whatever. It's like, you'll fucking destroy it. You've been up since five Goggins this thing. And so how do you, how do you reconcile. You as an individual, which you are a bit, you are, even though you are Hamish fast and loose, you also have these like type a qualities.
And so how do you yeah. Reconcile.
Hamish Blake: [00:26:47] Yeah. It's a great question. And I think there's, so there's a difference probably between like, definitely going back in time. You're like, okay. That's, you know, when I was 24, that's probably a pretty accurate snapshot. So maybe a little bit of that. Character or that little bit of that version of me was more truthful at 24.
Like I was a pretty chubby, sloppy, you know, unorganized dude and
Josh Janssen: [00:27:11] you and Zoe blow up at the only thing that's keeping brain. I sign at the moment. It's like, well, it's at 30. Haim was pretty sloppy. Remember he came back and he was, he was, he was probably my weight now, like was still gone. I can still Goggins this
Hamish Blake: [00:27:24] post New York.
I was that's
Josh Janssen: [00:27:28] you haven't checked your head, which is what I did. Like, there's a point where it's like, you just saw it.
Hamish Blake: [00:27:32] Do you know what I'm going to look like? Travis? Fimmel he looks like a fat baby.
Josh Janssen: [00:27:41] And so how do you, how do you transition. Or like, do you like how it's moving, transitioning? How do you reconcile that people know you for something, but you are changing as a person.
Hamish Blake: [00:27:54] I'm fine with you. Just go, well, that's, you know, you know that when you get into this world of going, um, you know, my name's Hamish, that's my friend, Andy together.
We do a show called Hamish and Andy, which is exactly us. Right. And it's not, it's not that we, you know, we, and we, we. Have tried to, you know, you try to keep that on a part of you as authentic as possible, but you do grow over time, so you're right. So there becomes a bit of like what we've learnt, how to do this dance, right?
Like we've totally learnt how to feel. 40 minutes of space. We've um, we've like we can keep a rally going for 40 minutes. But there are some shots that we know are preferred, right? Like you just, it's like, it's a, it's almost like a labor saving thing. You're like, you just know the areas to play. And not that once you you'd never want to get sort of stagnant and boring, but yeah, you're always, you're always, I suppose you just are constantly evolving that chemistry and that, that routine now that there's a chance that personally outside of the show, you're evolving in a different rate or in different directions.
And then. You are finding ways to go well, you make sure that when you're back. On the Mark and it happens slowly. It's like turning a oil tanker. You will like, you know, there's, you know, I'm like quite clearly not the guy was when I was 25. Like I'm a dumb 38 and I'm a dad and I'm interested in different stuff, but it's at its essence.
I think that the thing that me and Andy have still is interesting. There's still kind of a fun friction between us. Um, that's w that's like that generates. Sparks somehow that, but with different people now, and Nando's obviously really different too. So it were different people now that are generating like diff different kind of sparks.
So that's why you can't be those guys forever. Like things like do evolve and do change
Josh Janssen: [00:29:50] because the funny, I feel like I'm like, there's a funny, has a bit of truth to it. And so for, if I use my own example, it's like a, I'll say I'm going to do things. I take these massive, uh, you know, I'm going to do a million steps in a month and then I get injured or whatever it is.
And so the character that I've built is the guy that doesn't like, says he's gonna do something and doesn't do it. And so that's funny. Yeah. But then there's the thing that's also true is sometimes the most painful thing. The thing that like we know to be true about ourselves or the things that we want to.
Change or that we don't like, I feel like there's definitely being times where, uh, you know, TJ and I have said, ah, like, I don't really want to, like, I don't want to do that bit anymore. Or I don't like, that's actually not me now. Or like, that's like, yeah, I don't find it. Even if it's funny from an audience perspective, there's this idea that where it's like, you feel there's a disconnect between the joke and you as a person.
Yep. Have you had those scenarios where you like, hang on. Like, I don't want to be. This is, is that coming from ego? I don't know.
Hamish Blake: [00:31:01] Maybe, maybe, maybe it is, but in a, in a pretty normal way, I suppose we're all, we all have an attachment to our identity or think about, we all think about identities a lot and that's driven by ego.
Um, yeah. Maybe I would say that honestly, the way that I've always viewed it is, you know, you want, what, what we like doing is creating funny stuff. And so if it's, if it's came to the point where it's like, well, it's, it's now not funny because now there's a lot of reasons. It could not be funny. One person could just be really uncomfortable.
And then that stops something being funny, genuinely uncomfortable, like just going well, I'm really not interested in, you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:31:39] what about like Karen? So for instance, it's like, Uh, for, uh, 99% of things, uh, with Tommy and I it's like, uh, from a business perspective, I'm driving that and I'm happy to do it and I love it, but there's, there are obviously the moments where it's like T days, like actually this specific business thing, I've got a different opinion on it.
And then sometimes there can be friction because you're saying, okay, well, that's not normally that that's not the place that you're normally playing in. True.
Hamish Blake: [00:32:07] So
Josh Janssen: [00:32:08] that's being exactly. And so it's like, how do you. Um, How do you play your character or play like work out the best, uh, role that you play within a team, but then also understand that like, we're all, we're all constantly evolving and fluctuating saying, Oh, like the thing I didn't care about, I know I said that I didn't care about this, but now I actually want to do this or this
Hamish Blake: [00:32:32] true.
I guess it's like you got the on-air switch in the office, which kind of thing like, and we have a, we just have a ton of fun on it, especially with the podcasts. Like it's a great. Playground. And, and I, I'm a firm believer and, you know, funny is funny wins. It's not at the cost of, of hurting someone, but like, Hey, I got no, you know, there's no vanity in comedy.
I've got no need to go by the way. You know what, like, if something, if, if I, you know, if like, if it was something about. Ah, I bet you couldn't do 10 pushups if there was, if that was, if that was funny, if they, if that, if the joke required a slight suspension of this life, for me to be the guy that couldn't do 10 pushups and we were having a laugh about it, I think any part of me that stepped in to be like, well, actually, Fuck you man, watch this.
And here's 10 of the Christmas pushups you've ever seen. That is just ego. That's just someone wanting to,
Josh Janssen: [00:33:29] that's not funny. It's funny failing of
Hamish Blake: [00:33:32] the face, but by the same token, it doesn't mean you have to deliberately pretend that you're a, an idiot to, to, to keep things funny. Um, you just, I think what happens is, as you grow personally, we'll, we've probably seen the show and our relationship evolve and grow into other areas.
Um, and there are some things, you know, since we're talking really honestly here about the mechanics of comedy, there are some things that are just flat out last bit, Andy, like, um, me running the river that he smokes. Yeah. Which is so the people that yeah. Get the joke is just funny because it upsets him.
Now this goes back to the realm of like, it's not all about not upsetting people. Cause it doesn't actually upset him. It's more just like, if you really want to dig down on that joke, what would. Doing there I suppose, is laughing at the audacity of one person to make up a bold face, lie about the other and the other being forced to deny it, or it being like a tacit admission on something that's so ridiculous to us.
Cause endo, you know, has he's a, well, I don't know anything all the time. I got it. I got it. If I can't resist, but do you know what I mean? Like it's like, that's, you know, if any did tend to mean was like, I find this really, really upsetting, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:42] I know all fair, like, cause I feel like, I think
Hamish Blake: [00:34:45] if he did that off, there I go.
Alright man.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:47] Not even about like on air stuff. Like I feel like from a, because the funny thing using a filter of funny is great and it's easy because it becomes very easy
Hamish Blake: [00:34:56] at all cost.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:59] Yeah, exactly. But so from an off, from an affair perspective, how do you, how do you reconcile roles in that space? So for instance, what you wanted.
The reason I bring it up is cause I wonder it's like, we're constantly evolving. We're constantly like everyone within a team is constantly on their own journey. And so the thing that you wanted, a 25 is different to the thing you wanted 35. And so
Hamish Blake: [00:35:29] I had a great saying about that the other day. I think it was, it was a saying, I don't know if this is attributed this correctly.
I think it was a young, um, it was, what's true in the morning of your life is alive in the afternoon. Oh, meaning you change.
Josh Janssen: [00:35:42] I like that. And so how do you work out changing people within the context of not so much from a content perspective, but relationships within business and roles and how it all fits together?
Hamish Blake: [00:35:57] Good question. I mean, I've never really thought about it, but, but my initial gut as an answer is I think it comes down to your priorities. So. And, and a balance of priorities too. So one of the priorities than any, and I've always had ease, well, we obviously like making stuff and that if the priority is we want it to be good, but one of the prerequisites for that to bingo is we have to be having fun.
So if we're not having fun, we've got a problem because both people having fun is a pretty key ingredient to the, the kind of thing we like making. Um, so. We know that's a priority, so it'd be like, okay, well, as we change and the other part, the other thing that we have a lot of value on is like, well, we want, we want people to be having fun, but there's also a friendship side of things that we give priority two here as well.
So then on the personal side of things, we're changing, we're evolving. Things are happening if it begins to, um, If it begins to, to, to grate against, um, the friendship or against, if one of those things begins to grate against each other, that's probably where you stop and go. Well, what. We need to make some changes here to maintain some of the priorities.
And maybe if this, if the, if the show has, if this idea of making stuff has got in the way of us being friends, you know, and we have prioritized being friends above the show, that's, we're going to have to make a choice that we're going to have to dial some things down and turn some things up. And I suppose it's just how you that's, that's the path you navigate the whole time.
Um, that would be my. But that's, that's probably in my mind how you rationalize changing people against an evolving relationship?
Josh Janssen: [00:37:39] Is there a, is there a go to mechanism if you're feeling that way, where. It's like, are we going to, uh, take, take a break or we're going to like, let's, let's not chat before the show.
Like, are there certain things where mechanisms that have I
Hamish Blake: [00:37:55] find, I mean, I guess unconsciously we've had them over the years, whether it's a, just catching up for a beer or a walk or it's, it's a. It's a spontaneous chat in a hot tub overseas somewhere, I suppose, different. I mean, we're a two man team and this I'm sure the same rules would apply, but be different for say a three person team or a four for teenager team or team of eight old women.
You know, it's, I suppose just comes down to checking in and the age team's going to have their different dynamics of how they check in and how they listen to each other. And then. You know, I suppose it's what I was saying about though, before it was like, there is no playbook you're on your own. You've got to try and just make the best choices you can and, and, and, and track on it.
Josh Janssen: [00:38:41] And then, so radio karate, where it's, there's four of you. There's Ryan, Tim, and then you and Andy, what's the. Dude. Are you a business guy? Do you like business? Is that something like you talk about Zoe? You know, she, she likes writing funny shit on the side of, you know, products, and then it becomes this thing.
Is it something that you learn to love the business side of it?
Hamish Blake: [00:39:10] I think everybody probably has their different, um, attractions to different parts of it. Um, I. I'm aware of business, like, um, you know, I was studying commerce and stuff at uni. I'm in, I'm interested in business. I'm fascinated with, I suppose, like, you know, I am interested in businesses and I understand the I'm interested in the fact that you could, that we've been out.
I mean, the real reward for us, I suppose, at the bottom, the bottom line is. He's a thing, but we've had fun doing, and we got to turn it into our job. And I suppose the process of turning into our job was business. And there is a business element to that because then you've got money in the mix. And I suppose that's sort of what those gone through.
It's like, here's the thing I thought would be really fun. And I love doing. But to, but to turn it into, but to get, to keep doing it, I had to make it a business, or that was the choice that was made. And so the reward is you get to keep doing your fun thing and the cost is you have to be good at business to some extent.
So, but you know, in terms of, in terms of me personally, do I love the business side things? I. Mmm. If I, if I had to be a binary yes or no, I'd say I'm, you know, if it is, and I don't think it ever should be business versus creative, but I am, my, my brain is just drawn towards the, the creative side of things, the making of things.
And, but I'm happy to intellectually think about the business side of things too, when, when it's required. But endo has a real knacky has a. You know, just like, uh, it's it's in him. It, he has, you know, we, sometimes we laugh about business shark or business, business snake, but he's not a shark or a snake, but he's just, he's eight, like bitty it's in him.
He's, he's, that's how he thinks. And, and strategically he's got a very good strategic mind and he just, I don't think he can turn it off and I don't think he should, like, that's one of the superpowers.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:02] It feels like at 2020, and it's been happening for the last few years. Businesses talking about failure and talking about like, there is the, there's a real move.
Like I think when the daily talk show started and with big media company, this has all come at a time where the format, the format of our show is the high, the lows we have, like, you know, blow ups on the show, but then like you see every light and shit, like it's like, okay, let's just communicate. Let's try and be as honest as possible when the mic turns on, what's the worst.
That could happen. Um, and so, but Hamish and Andy was created in a time where that really isn't like, that's not an expectation
Hamish Blake: [00:41:49] and citation for us and it was never had it, wasn't a shtick.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:53] And so, but that's a content, but so that's a content thing. But what I'm wondering is it's like, You say, like, look at, uh, you know, your best mate rye and how much he's evolved over the last year.
We'll use in regards to like creative fulfillment and just really sort of understanding what he wants and you can see, you can see it in the work. So there's a huge amount of evolution and it feels like if I listened to the way that he speaks it's of that. Slightly more transparent vulnerability. Sure.
Sort of.
Hamish Blake: [00:42:27] He's talking with Renee Brown.
Josh Janssen: [00:42:29] Exactly, exactly. And so. How do you, uh, like I'm just fascinated with say even like working dog or like, you know, radio credit, any of these businesses where it's like, how, obviously it's not all of a sudden going to be this thing where it's a switch and it's like, okay, we're having these, uh, more sort of vulnerable meetings where we're all talking about our feelings and really deconstructing and working out.
Like, do you think that that's. That's a thing. Is that like from a business person, you mean doing
Hamish Blake: [00:43:03] quickly or at all?
Josh Janssen: [00:43:05] Not even publicly. Like, I think that it's, it's, we're in a unique situation with our show where it's like, we do do it publicly, but taking that off the table, taking off like any form of like narrative building or stick that's on air, the actual idea of.
Uh, emotional conversations or going through, and like, this is how this made me feel or, or how's everyone going, like being really tapped in. On that you might have some examples from like ZOS work. Like, do you find, it feels like business in general, Bri works at, Hey target. They're always like, always talking about their feelings.
It's all like everyone. Like, and I feel like, especially in COVID it's like, that's the question everyone's asking. It's like, how are you going? I feel like there was a time in business where it's like, we don't really want to know if we care about everyone. But at the end
Hamish Blake: [00:43:56] of the day, not using it. Yeah. We want you to be happy.
You're performing your job.
Josh Janssen: [00:44:01] Exactly. And so how. How do you, um, how do you sort of perceive this sort of movement into opening up as you? Uh,
Hamish Blake: [00:44:09] I think it's terrific. I think, I think the whole look, I mean, I'm a, I'm a big proponent for, you know, happiness first and I think a big, a big part of, of that happiness has been as understanding essentially how you feel and what you want, like, and, and, and where you're going and to.
But also if you're in a team to have empathy for, for, for your team and for what they are caring about too. And so I think those conversations is like a critical, not just for business, but for the life to go. If you, if you've got so many team that's feeling something and you genuinely care about your team, you want to hear where they're at and you want to hear their thoughts.
And then the more. People can, can express their vulnerabilities, their hopes, their fears, then in an ideal situation, if you're working with people that you'd love, and there's an element of love in the team that that's, that's how I think that the love for each other, as the engine with which you evolve.
Josh Janssen: [00:45:15] So then if you look at say how rise changed over the last few years, how does that then change business? Like, and how much. Uh, how much
Hamish Blake: [00:45:27] sports, like what do you want, what do you want from your business? I mean, I'd say the, what rise doing is the exact, um, is a great personification of somebody somebody's following their heart and their gift to be happy.
He's making things. And that's what makes him happy. The flip side of that would be making. Um, we've been sitting a word before, things like making profitable things or making, you know, mass appeal, things that are there for like, you know, could, could earn money or whatever it is, but that's not what he's doing.
I think that's that's so. You, you know, you always going to have that conflict, I suppose, between going, if you, sometimes you, you know, if you, if you want to, if making money is the thing that we're talking about in terms of business, and that's the thing that makes you happy, I'm sure that there's lots of ways that people can make money.
If that is what they've decided is the, is the thing that is their calling. I don't think for many people that's genuinely the answer. I think, I think. We're talking about, like, what do you want to do for your work? Which is what do you want to put in the world that you're proud of, that you feel, um, that you've got a sense of, um, direction or stewardship over, and then any success that comes from that you feel like you've earned.
I think that's a more satisfying place to come from for putting work into the world.
Josh Janssen: [00:46:50] Do you feel the pressure in regards to having a team? Like, do you feel the weight of. Hang on like, uh, me deciding whether I have another year of podcast in me or I have the year of this or that it like, it has a big, big impact on like a bunch of people's lives.
Hamish Blake: [00:47:11] It does, but. But also, I always just view all this stuff we're doing is like a bit of a bonus. And I think, and I think if you think about the flip side of that, just to go, well, am I really working with a team? Like if, if I was like, no, no, I can't do the podcast next year. I just can't do it. Do I really think the team I'm working with, we were like, well, bad luck.
That's what we need it. So you're doing it and we don't care how you feel. And no, I know when I work with, I mean, most of all Andy would have that person.
Josh Janssen: [00:47:40] Yeah. And so on the hard times. So when things get tough, So obviously like fun is the goal, but as you can see with Xero, it's like, it's not always fun.
It's like stressful, it's painful. It's people problems. It's like, it's everything right across the whole spectrum in business. So then what's the, what's the filter because I like, I think that you are the epitome of fun. Like that's like your brand value. That's what you're all about. That's what you communicate.
But there's probably like a lot of people who are in the creative process where it's like, I think I'm happy. I have fun, but I'm also depressed. Or I feel like I'd like, I hate working with people or like all of these struggles. How do you, how do you sort of deal with where funds sits, where. Hard work and pain sit like.
Yeah. Does that, does that make sense?
Hamish Blake: [00:48:39] Talking about fun. There's fun. And then there's happiness. So they're not the same thing. Um, so you're gonna have people like, yeah. Okay. I have fun at work, but that same person could be like, but I'm not happy. And
Josh Janssen: [00:48:52] so what's the distinction for you?
Hamish Blake: [00:48:54] I don't know, what's the distinction for you?
I guess everyone brings to it their own. Um, I'd say that probably be an example where
Josh Janssen: [00:49:00] you're having fun,
Hamish Blake: [00:49:01] but you're not, I would say happiness, right? Happiness is a state that requires that. I mean, there's lots of people that do research on this stuff and there's a lot of, you know, conventionally held wisdom and
Josh Janssen: [00:49:12] I've got all the books.
I haven't read them, but I do
Hamish Blake: [00:49:15] the Dell Alamas had a few things to say on it, but it's a state, right. And I mean, Jen generally like the, I would say the, I, if you could boil it down the wisdom on it, from what I can gather, it's, you know, happiness is, um, it's, it's, it's an internal state. Like it's not relying on external factors.
I mean, the dilemmas seems like a pretty happy guy, but you know, it's not externally based. Um, And then, but then there's having fun. And I would say like, to me, having fun is a fun thing to do, but it's an action. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a verb. It's a way to spend your time and your life. But there are two, the two things that required different work, you know, happiness is, is a thing that requires, um, W work.
I mean, in the best possible sense, it's sort of like, well, you know, you're happy when you being a good husband and a good father and a good friend. And, you know, you did doing the work that you feel is worthwhile and you're being a good community member and you're thinking about others. And I think those are the general.
I mean, I'm massive like that. I don't think being happy is that easy, but it's, you know, that's generally the things that feed into. Happiness. And then fun is, you know, going on a sea biscuit with your mates, uh, because that's a fun thing to do behind his me, but so, you know, there, I just, I think that they're the two different things, but that's, that's my intake on it.
Um, so as someone that has fun or champ
Josh Janssen: [00:50:46] fun, it's a film. And I feel like, I think in a broader perspective, maybe it's like, Uh, cause if you take out the comedy part of it or that sort of like there's,
Hamish Blake: [00:50:57] it can be, and to make people laugh, but that's not the only type of fun. I mean, I very much enjoy that, but there's other ways to have fun for people
Josh Janssen: [00:51:06] the fulfillment bit, uh, versus the happy bit.
Uh,
Hamish Blake: [00:51:11] that's a great point, actually. That's a really, that's probably a really good way to put it in terms of fulfillment because. If people just love birdwatching and they go out and they, they, they nail it spotted warbler. They haven't fun because they're fulfilled. They they've, they had a, they had a goal or a need and they fulfilled it and they're having fun.
And you know, it's not hurting anyone. I don't want to get too close to that wall. Blood just wasn't look, but don't touch. I mean, it might be hurting the wall blood to feel. I mean, it is a bit perverse when you think of it, but watching, but as long as the warbler doesn't know they're being spied upon, but you know, then for someone like me, like, I like making people laugh.
So you go about your day and you do something that makes people laugh. And I feel fulfilled because that's something I enjoy doing. And we're probably me and the birdwatcher are both having the same amount of fun.
Josh Janssen: [00:51:59] Uh, just finally, like on a, like a awareness piece of like how you're feeling, uh, how do you.
How do you know if you're in a rut and how do you then sort of,
Hamish Blake: [00:52:10] you think I would flip it around?
Josh Janssen: [00:52:13] No, I think that, like, I know what I, what I'm now what I am, I guess, thinking about the audience. I think I'm thinking about the audience, right? I'm thinking about like so many people are in a certain state right now.
So like, I'm thinking about like, what is, what is the, if I was to, if you were to do a temperature check. Uh, around, you know, uh, not actual temperature. We probably will eventually be checking temperatures. But yeah, if, if
Hamish Blake: [00:52:39] we were to like, if you want a temperature check, go try, go shopping at a chemist warehouse though.
They'll get you as you walk in the door.
Josh Janssen: [00:52:44] I think that it's, um, what I seek, definitely what I love about podcasts. What I love about all of these different things is it's like, Uh, I enjoy, it was like, um, steam was, was on, um, resilience project. And you hear like the story or whatever of like, you know, just people struggling and you can say, okay, you can have this, you can have a lot of things, right?
Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [00:53:08] You can be the funniest thing in the world, like standing it, but I think easily, one of the funniest guys. In the world.
Josh Janssen: [00:53:13] And so that's the thing, like, I feel like you can have so many, you listen to sort of Mark and Marin, or you listened to, you know, those types of podcasts you hear. And for me, it gives me comfort because I'm like, I feel fulfilled.
But heaps of things, like, I don't feel good all the time. And so when I'm always trying to reconcile is it's like, okay, like what, what is the, what's the goal here as you've described happiness, isn't necessarily the thing it's about like fun or fulfilled. It's like, yeah, it's
Hamish Blake: [00:53:46] happiness. Isn't about being, having fun.
And I think solely, I think what. To me. There's a giant distinction between being funny and being happy. Yeah. Um, I like to think that I am both a lot of the time. Um, but I'd put more, put more whites for, I put my own personal investment into the happy side of things rather than the funny side of things.
Josh Janssen: [00:54:10] Well, yeah. And I think that, like, I guess the reason I bring up the right stuff is it's like a. You're someone who loves to loves to travel you like, you know, uh, during winter time or whatever you get, you go away. Or that's the thing obviously now, uh, Australia, there's a lot of grass. Um,
Hamish Blake: [00:54:28] well there's 10 million ISU, 10 million, 10 million spots in Australia.
Josh Janssen: [00:54:33] To, to travel
Hamish Blake: [00:54:34] over 10 minutes.
Josh Janssen: [00:54:35] Is that suburbs or what's that?
Hamish Blake: [00:54:37] I guess it's just spots. So you can't really tie me down to my statistics there. I mean, he could just be like, there's the car park at the ride back beach. There's obviously in the water at ride back beach. They're sort of halfway up the sand.
These are all different spots and you can,
Josh Janssen: [00:54:50] you definitely, yeah. You've got that. You invite that. So on the. Uh, yeah, so I guess, I guess the question is it's like, there's the disruption that we've all felt, and I don't want to this, like, I don't want the conversation, I guess, to be that sort of COVID thing, but it's definitely, I feel like highlighted, what's been important to us and listening to ourselves and being like, Oh, why do I feel agitated?
Or hang on, actually.
Hamish Blake: [00:55:15] Yeah. In Melbourne this week where we're like, you know, Dave, we're coming to the end of whatever week it is of lockdown. Which is will be, we will look back on this. I hope it's like a very unique, I hope it's unique in the sense that we don't have a third one, but we'll be like, wow, it's darkest before Dawn right now.
Like, you know, there's two cases today, but we're still locked down and yeah, everyone's like their batteries are at where we've been in power saving mode for a long time. I think. Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:55:49] But, so what does that look like for you? I guess, cause I think you're a really optimistic person and I think that that's what I think that you.
Probably, uh, which makes a lot of sense. It's like, you've got this platform. It's like, well, let's like, let's be careful about the words that you use and the way that like falling into that trap of being negative. But it feels like at the moment, there is this opportunity of oscillation where it's like, if the guy who has the perceived most fun in Australia has the best job, the best family, the bet, like all of these things, like, I feel like it's such an.
Opportunity for it's like, okay. Like what's where, right? Yeah. What is, what is the w yeah, what's the,
Hamish Blake: [00:56:32] there's no doubt that it's been an, a strange time for everyone. No doubt. I mean, but my, my personal mindset day to day is I'm not, I would say no. I mean, I'll come back to optimistic in a second, but the, my personal mindset has been this steel.
So many opportunities for good things to happen, to die. Little good things, little, I mean, I know we're super lucky cause we've, uh, this week my boys come back to school, but we've had both kids at home. You're wrestling on the couch. You doing silly things like life has slowed down, but it's. It hasn't it hasn't lost its chance just because you can't travel to the spots you want to travel to.
You've still got opportunities to do things. And I look, I'm not being glib about it too. I get there harder and I, and we're extremely, I preface it by going, we don't have, we're not small business owners. We don't have anyone. The family that's sick. There are people that have, you know, we're not healthcare workers who just faced an unbelievable burden.
We are part of the society that we're part of the extremely lucky part of society that when unburdened, but just inconvenienced. So I, I, I do understand. It's a tiny one, cause you don't wanna minimize the mental health impact of that time. But I'm also at the same time I hold the gratitude if going, but we, we still had so much that we're able to, should do and to enjoy and to love and will never like, like it or not, it is happening and we'll never know, get, you know, again, navigate my little girl bank three years old.
After this year. So now's the time to enjoy it. Like, like it or not, it's not three years old on a beach, but it's three years old anyway. And so still her and being silly and funny,
Josh Janssen: [00:58:15] an example, I guess, would be say, um, I feel like this happens a lot in relationships where Brie will say, ah, like, um, I'm not feeling great and pissed off or like, or it might be something like a personal issue with a person, right?
So it's like, ah, this person's pissing me off at the moment or this happened at work or whatever it is, the. Playing the positive role, which is like, ah, you know, like it's all, it's all good. Like we've got this or it's like, or that person might be going through things like playing the sort of like higher optimistic thing is a way to get kicked in the head.
Right? Like, cause like what Bree wants as a person. Yeah. Yes.
Hamish Blake: [00:58:53] This is shit to stop feeling bad. Yeah. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:58:56] And so
Hamish Blake: [00:58:56] the thing is, and women's stuff you can just feed it. Well, you've just done with it. Like that's just marriage one. I want you.
Josh Janssen: [00:59:01] So, what do you do then? So when, when sorry, saying like, this is shit, you have oil.
It's very lucky. Like we get to fight on the couch. Like,
Hamish Blake: [00:59:10] like, no, you don't say it, then you idiot. Hmm. Just give it a rise in chip. You used to hate, I know. And then you start because the next thing you want to do is solve it. And that's not what I'm, that's not what wives and girlfriends want.
Josh Janssen: [00:59:28] Yeah, sure.
Just want it.
Hamish Blake: [00:59:29] They just want an I know. And then later on, you're trying to find a way to go, but Hey, isn't this? Terrific. Cool. Look at, look at how cute Rudy was this in this video I took of her this afternoon and then go, so go, Hey, they just went to bed. Show me later. Okay. Wrong time again. And then lady something, but it's, you know, that's
Josh Janssen: [00:59:49] like when, when you're feeling, when you're like, Oh, this person's like, I'm not happy about this.
Or when you have a moment of not this perspective, which is in, this is how I'm feeling right now. I want us to go for a fucking bike ride and it's pissing down with rain. This is what it was my only chance this week.
Hamish Blake: [01:00:07] It's like, I've got. Yeah, you do think you come up with strategies and everyone's different height.
Like if, luckily for me, I do have exercises away of it. Um, I'm, I'm a fan of like, I've got an exercise bike, you
Josh Janssen: [01:00:18] love riding bikes, you love soccer.
Hamish Blake: [01:00:20] I also don't mind riding in the rain too, because I've sort of got a bit of a theory of going well, I like training for bike rides. I like sort of having a big bar crawl and to try and fall and, and I, and then I'm sort of like, well, if it's raining on the day and you never ride in the rain, it would be in trouble.
Josh Janssen: [01:00:33] The line is you need to be right at driving
Hamish Blake: [01:00:35] and you get into your hours and all that stuff. But honestly, I do like bike riding and I, and I destroy myself. I've got to walk bike at home and I probably deliberately. Yeah. I liked Barry myself on that thing because cause there's like a level, well I've found for me personally, like mentally, I like the benefit to have gone to a level in a workout where, you know, in the same way that meditation just forces you to be present.
Oh, that's the goal of meditation when you, uh, In a hole of pine of your making? No, in case that you're in the basement, just completely killing yourself, but when you've made yourself suffer to that extent, there's just nothing, you know, it's a very honest place. Like there's nothing you. Else you're thinking about then trying to mentally get through to the end of, you know, the next minute or whatever it is.
So that has been a helpful thing for me. I've found it locked down, just skunking off to the basement and sweating it out.
Josh Janssen: [01:01:29] Optimism. You talked about that.
Hamish Blake: [01:01:31] Yeah. Yeah. Right. So interesting. I mean this whole thing, um, That way going through, which is an unknown end to a, to a situation we weren't expecting.
There was a, there wasn't, there's a famous on I'm paraphrasing here, the, um, the article and I'll preface the plus sign to all members of the military. I understand that what we're going through is not the same as being in a prisoner of war camp, but in the analogy of it being an unknown ending to it scenario, right.
Um, there was a dude that was extremely famous. I'm sure it's easily Googleable. I think it was held by the Vietcong for seven years. Right. And so like, pretty much from the start of the Vietnam war to almost to the end door to band. And, and he was, you know, he, he was interviewed about, well, obviously, like, you know, how did you get everyone else you were captured with over time, they died in the prisoner of war camps.
And like, how did you. How did you mentally make it to the, to, to stay, to stay, um, to, to keep going? Was it optimism? Like, you know, you must be such an optimistic guy. He's like, no, no, no, no. Those were the guys. The optimists were the guys that I knew were going to would die early because it was the guys going alright by Christmas, we're going home.
Like definitely by Christmas, then Christmas would come and go. And they would give up, like they, they, they had set all their hopes onto something. And that I suppose is optimism. Like they'd clung tightly to the goal. And when that golden happen, a broken, so he's, he was like, I just had faith that one day, eventually this would end.
And I would be a better person for it. And so I was, you know, I would really mind that in a sense that he, if he came was much more about a status bang right now, rather than it needing to be, be a concrete solution at a certain date or a certain time, that would be, make him happy. And. That's a tough thing to do mentally, but I thought it was a pretty, um, a pretty interesting, pretty interesting perspective on going well, that's kind of what it comes down to in anything in life, because like, you know, everyone's like, ah, 20, 20, we never saw that coming, but what you do you see coming?
No one takes any heat coming like every year is insane. So
Josh Janssen: [01:03:39] it's such a narrative builders. And so the thing is that
Hamish Blake: [01:03:42] pretend that like every year. like from post September 11, like that was the last surprise we had. And then everything else has been predictable and worked out perfectly. And then 2020 came along and it's just not true.
It's like life is tomorrow is promised to no Los Garrett, not a guarantee for anyone. So I think, you know, I'm not the first person to say this and I'm certainly not the most qualified by any stretch of the imagination. But for me, I try to just go, well, you know, we're, it's the here and now is all you can really look after.
Josh Janssen: [01:04:10] Yeah, I think, um, it's interesting talking about this stuff. Cause I think that it's like, it's not necessarily like why I love speaking to you about it is because you're someone who's smart, you read stuff. But I think that the, the optimism side, like, I think you're one of the most optimistic. People that I speak to, like, I think that it's and, and
Hamish Blake: [01:04:30] so in that's probably just faith, isn't it?
That's his faith. I believe in good at some point in some way, shape or form. But I, but I, but I know it's
Josh Janssen: [01:04:40] implying that you're going to die because you you're too optimistic.
Hamish Blake: [01:04:43] No, no, no, but I suppose it's a, fool's errand to go. Here's what good is going to look like. And it's going to happen in this way, on this day.
That's the bit you don't know about, but, but I think you can, if you look around, you can find a way to cultivate enough. Um, Faith in good. Anyway,
Josh Janssen: [01:04:58] some, so do you look forward? Are you excited about anything
Hamish Blake: [01:05:01] coming up? Yeah, totally. I'm really excited that, um, well I'm excited. I'm I'm honestly, I mean, I, like, I get excited about, um, Circumstances rather than I suppose, specific things.
So yeah, we will probably please be opening up soon, you know, in Melbourne you hope that restrictions delays. And then that means more randomness and chance and excitement and, and options will start flowing back into people's lives. And I think that will boy people, and honestly, this thing that's done are doing with Terminus tourism, Australia is super.
Like it's a dream gig for both of us, because we are going to get to go on these crazy holidays and adventures under the guise of ambassadorship. So honestly, so you like, you know, that that's one thing that. I'm a big, I'm a big believer in the 80 20 rule of holidays, which is like 80% of the fund is the anticipation and the planning.
And that's the stuff we've been doing at the moment. So even though I might not end up going on the 25 different trips that I'm planning online, it's still been a fun pastime to
Josh Janssen: [01:06:01] anybody using certain apps or how do you keep a
Hamish Blake: [01:06:03] started Pinterest and bad? Honestly, there's a word. It's a word doc where it's probably the least there will be people out there that have put their whole lives into inventing these apps that are meant to be.
For exactly this mission. And then they'll see me, like on notes, just typing in manually must visit must visit Bayer fires. Like no,
Josh Janssen: [01:06:24] my hip
Hamish Blake: [01:06:25] interest. That's why we invented the app.
Josh Janssen: [01:06:29] Uh, it's fat Fridays. And so, um, we like, could you, I know we haven't eaten, but if you could eat something that's a little bit indulgent today.
Uh,
Hamish Blake: [01:06:38] odd
Josh Janssen: [01:06:39] man
Hamish Blake: [01:06:40] on the list. I know what I'll be doing. Um, well usually on a Friday night, so, and I, you know, we'll have a martini and, and we'll go through this silly dance of me going. I'm going to do some chips in the air fry and her going. No, no, no, I don't need them tonight. And then going, come on, I'll just do a few, then I do a few and it's just like, why are you make such a little bowl of chips?
And then I have to do more. So I already know we've got chips on the horizon tonight, but the other thing I'm know
Josh Janssen: [01:07:06] what sort of potatoes do you
Hamish Blake: [01:07:07] wait? Like, you know, either, I don't mind a call. Like you just get like a, Cole's be battered, like frozen ground.
Josh Janssen: [01:07:13] Yeah. That was a mate. This is a new thing that I've discovered.
You don't have to get them delivered, like, because delivered chips, they're always soggy and all that. So
Hamish Blake: [01:07:22] that's, that's the thing I say. It's very difficult to get a Chimp to your door
Josh Janssen: [01:07:26] in the front. Pretty inexpensive. So like it is, it is the biggest step job title is 50
Hamish Blake: [01:07:32] gram of chips.
Josh Janssen: [01:07:33] And so this is, I think that there is something I haven't executed on this yet, but the idea of never, like, if I was really organized, always having drinks in the fridge.
Uh, and having the chips and putting it, doing the order, putting the chips on, you're only ordering the burger. You have the, you're getting your drink, so you don't have to, you're not paying sort of Forbes for a drink.
Hamish Blake: [01:07:57] Yeah. It's temperature. Is it temperature? Try it off because like unpaid, but just knits Micah.
Great chip,
Josh Janssen: [01:08:06] right? Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:08:08] If you're eating it in store, it's like you can't beat it. It's cooked. I mean, there's, there are two different tastes of the AirFryer and the oil. The Everett has like a 97% perfect situation, but an oil chip is Dillon oil chip. And I will grant that, but you've got to eat it at the source.
Like a restaurant fries is going to be great, but you're right for home. I think the I've got to a stage where I'm confident the fr wins with the right brand of chip the right time, the right tamping, the AirFryer
Josh Janssen: [01:08:32] baked. So for instance, we just, we don't have an air fry yet. And so like we ha we have a, like a lot of random bits and pieces.
Like we've, you know, we've had the juices, we've had the Sam, I went through a stage of
Hamish Blake: [01:08:44] so much more important in the kitchen than a juice, by the way.
Josh Janssen: [01:08:48] So the thing with an air fry, is it deemed, is this a, I'm trying to make health conscious decisions? Is this a health consciousness? I think some people, I
Hamish Blake: [01:08:56] think people, yeah, to be healthier than deep frying a chip, because there's no oil.
So
Josh Janssen: [01:09:02] there's this spoon of when you linger.
Hamish Blake: [01:09:04] Well, yeah. When you, well, even with just Frederick deliveries, just Chuck them in the basket, close it up. They come pre battered, but you're not putting them in oil. And like, so what are they?
Josh Janssen: [01:09:12] It's just doing something nice. It's magic, Josh.
Hamish Blake: [01:09:15] No, I think they've literally, they're just in a box of hot wind.
Which is what the, I think the FAA
Josh Janssen: [01:09:21] is.
Hamish Blake: [01:09:23] No, but it's, I think the wind factor is one, I think, cause it's like so fast. The wind is like a Dyson in there, like a tornado. I remember when fan it's fan force, but it's tornado fan force, I think. Cause it's like a little box I can really concentrate the wind and that seems to be the magic, but it, I mean, I don't know how they do it, but it's essentially like anything that would benefit from crispness.
That is what your air fries for? I'm sorry, I'm putting frozen Apple pies in at the moment. Super crispy crust and juicy on the inside fried chicken. We were doing the air fryer.
Josh Janssen: [01:09:55] Do you make your own fried chicken?
Hamish Blake: [01:09:57] So you use, you marinade the chicken pieces, like in a buttermilk throughout the day, and then literally just dip and just then put them in flour and then put them in the air fryer.
And you do, you do give that a, like a light spray of oil. If you got like a canola oil, something, you spray that, but that's, that's it. And then it just crisps up.
Josh Janssen: [01:10:13] So you will have chips tonight.
Hamish Blake: [01:10:15] I'll have chips tonight, but I'll watch, I have an Apple pie. Okay. And then Friday's off. I'll get
Josh Janssen: [01:10:20] brand, like, are you eating nuggets outside of like your.
Hamish Blake: [01:10:23] No, I'm not, man. I'm still get a Mac is I'll still hit a Mac. Cause then I hit a Mac as nugget yesterday or the day before, but I will, I'm not air frying nugs at the moment. Not, not through any reason, but I feel, I feel like McDonald's is a. Yeah. I feel like it's much harder to replicate the quality of a McDonald's nugget at home,
Josh Janssen: [01:10:39] right?
Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:10:40] Alright. So basically finding happiness, uh, different things. Um, and it's a lifelong quest for fun, happiness and a McDonald's nugget is hard to replicate at home and,
Josh Janssen: [01:10:52] and I'm projecting, I'm projecting in regards to it. Rot. I must be in a room. Do you think it was too negative?
Hamish Blake: [01:10:59] No, you're not. You're not tuned.
I gave, I was just sort of like, you know, Maybe it's me projecting from you going, ah, but you know, surely you just can't do the same old Hamish forever. And do you feel like you're in a rut? Okay.
Josh Janssen: [01:11:13] But it's like, there is it's fun. Like yeah, it is. I didn't even get to ask you what your biggest challenges, which is the coaching question.
What's your biggest challenge,
Hamish Blake: [01:11:21] but I, but, but I, I have read I'm reading the same book at the moment, so I feel like I'm too. I'm too ready for two minutes. Well, this is a problem that I know you're going to go. And what else? What else?
Josh Janssen: [01:11:34] Thank you. Jaime spike. Uh, if you got Lego masters, are you working on that?
Is that coming? I
Hamish Blake: [01:11:40] mean, we actually did set for me in a couple of weeks, but. Long. This is a long tail primer for season three, which I think will air probably, you know, may or something next year. I just say quickly on the
Josh Janssen: [01:11:51] audio. Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:11:53] Well, I just said to Josh, before we started recording, I was like, wow, these marks are really good, which are genuine.
And they may not have been doing a bit of podcast stuff from home and I'm on a I'm on a shitty mic. The audio technical ones are incredible and then just said, you can keep it. Yep. And I was like, I feel like that's a huge add for these guys because, well, they were an audio partner
Josh Janssen: [01:12:12] they are people I'll give you a tip with microphones, for whatever reason, USB microphones, a condenser microphones, for the most part, a condenser microphone, uh, is an always on things.
So it's like, it's like listening, right? Whereas a dynamic microphone. It is activated by noise. And so the thing is dynamic mikes, which you're using. Yeah. Being nice and close. This is what all of like most broadcast like, um,
Hamish Blake: [01:12:43] yeah. Yeah. That's what I
Josh Janssen: [01:12:44] like the dynamic type of thing. There's like, yeah. So. I would highly recommend that one's the, the dynamic mic.
It's like the AGB, something,
Hamish Blake: [01:12:54] it comes with a little mini stand, which when you like how you can keep it and can I get the headphones? Cause they been like they're brand new.
Josh Janssen: [01:13:00] Oh really?
Hamish Blake: [01:13:01] Yeah. Cause I tore the bag. I tore the box in the bag on the headphones. It's like, Oh no. Cause I was like, Josh, you know, you drop these at my house last night.
And I was like, He's gone to so much effort boxing. I was, as I was unpacking them, I was like, man, he really cares about his gear. This, these look like the mint condition. I was, I was feeling ashamed at the state that I keep my like headphones or cameras and stuff in it as I was unpacking it. And then I was unpacking the, the Mike box.
Don't look at all the cables. He's like done them perfectly. But, but it's brand new.
Josh Janssen: [01:13:32] Yeah. You can get them like a office works and stuff like that. Microphone is only $150 microphone and it's um, yeah, it's, it's, it's a really solid,
Hamish Blake: [01:13:42] it's really solid. I mean, road to do good stuff.
Josh Janssen: [01:13:45] Yeah. So road, so road, can I just say what road do great.
They have their road caster. So if you want to, if you want to do
Hamish Blake: [01:13:51] Andy's house, it's unbelievable.
Josh Janssen: [01:13:52] So if you want to plug in multiple microphones, so if you're doing
Hamish Blake: [01:13:57] Bluetooth, you find exactly the road cast. It's unreal.
Josh Janssen: [01:14:00] Yeah, we have roads, right. For the, for the road road cast is off the USB microphone, the audio technical dynamic mic I've I've said a rod should do a dynamic mic.
It's the, probably not to a dynamic line. They don't do a dynamic, used
Hamish Blake: [01:14:14] to be a separate project. You want to make this a separate book? We can.
Josh Janssen: [01:14:18] I think the one thing that I w I would say. There's no, I don't like the Yeti. The Yeti is that the real big one that looks like a pill and people don't know where to point it and they end up pointing at the wrong way.
But the, um, the stands there, there isn't a good USB mic stand. And so that
Hamish Blake: [01:14:36] then that's actually, you've given, you've given me this solid hodgepodge.
Josh Janssen: [01:14:40] So that, that, that is a understand. It's a road
Hamish Blake: [01:14:42] doesn't quite fit the top.
Josh Janssen: [01:14:44] Exactly. So what I've done is I've taken a road, Mike, their desk, Mount Stan. I can stand and then I couldn't get the, the, the audio technical stand or whatever.
I couldn't get the, um, I couldn't rip off the, the holder. And so then I had to find just a, uh, a mic holder. So what do you say a Frankenstein solution? The thing is,
Hamish Blake: [01:15:07] I don't know if you hear me, if I say Frankenstein
Josh Janssen: [01:15:08] pretty. Yes, exactly. And it's the, uh, It's great. I think there's um,
Hamish Blake: [01:15:16] I got out of twice. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [01:15:18] The one other tip I'll give people is a solid internet connection. You've been great. You've been tethering use USB, or if you've got data on your phone. And you don't have.
Hamish Blake: [01:15:28] I know, I don't know. Is this going to cost me money? This is going to cost me. No, I only have one mate. I have one mate, complementary emergency use,
Josh Janssen: [01:15:35] but on Fiji, this is going to cost you a
Hamish Blake: [01:15:37] fortune.
Put my baby and I put myself in there.
Josh Janssen: [01:15:41] Um, and that, and the other thing is you want to have the microphone nice and close to any microphone? Yeah. Any microphone where it's like, Oh, I can place it on my desk. And it's going to sound good.
Hamish Blake: [01:15:54] That
Josh Janssen: [01:15:54] there's a thing called a signal to signal to noise ratio. And so if you imagine if you've got a computer fan.
And the computer fans making notes and you've got the microphone
Hamish Blake: [01:16:06] math. There's so many they sell where you just check it on your desk for gamers and stuff to like do Twitch stuff. I'm like, this is going to be a terrible listening. Yeah. You want to get into the kitchen as well as you're going to hear what's happening in your, in your bedroom or whatever.
Josh Janssen: [01:16:17] There's been a huge shortage though of microphones. Just say no across the
Hamish Blake: [01:16:20] medallion. Can't. Yeah, every single person in the world has a podcast now. So they've become like, facemasks like, we all need two or three of them on the go at one time,
Josh Janssen: [01:16:29] they're
Hamish Blake: [01:16:29] going to understand that he's, he's my only negative for audio Technica.
Not their fault at all, but the little desk stand that this might come with. Cause yeah, you gave me this big Frankenstein. Very funny way of describing the thing that you've given me. Um, I thought the, the, so the, the attachment on the little stand clips onto this muck. And so I went to screw it up and
Josh Janssen: [01:16:46] I was like, so that's exactly.
So that's what I was trying to
Hamish Blake: [01:16:48] do. Snapped it.
Josh Janssen: [01:16:49] Yeah. I'll show you. And so that's what I was trying to, does it actually come off so you could use it or no? So that's what I was hoping, hoping. I think, uh, a tip for any of these brands would be to give you a mic holder that you can then put on your own stand, so you can have a desk stand or, or whatever it is.
Hamish Blake: [01:17:08] Cause it looks, I don't know if you can say that, like, it looks like it's
Josh Janssen: [01:17:11] yes. It's going to turn.
Hamish Blake: [01:17:12] Yep. And it just completely snapped in the plastic. It's
Josh Janssen: [01:17:16] it's that's the one area podcasting, all of this, all the tech. He's going a long way. We've got a website called making podcasts.com and we do like, uh, free, uh, uh, tr training.
Like we've got like all these blog posts on the best USB microphone.
Hamish Blake: [01:17:32] How about, let me ask you this, how soon until, cause the one thing you notice about podcasting is just like, this is cables everywhere, right? Yeah, what's the cable solution. Is it either a Mike that has like a vacuum cleaner style retractable cable in it and or is it just cables?
Glory? How are we going to get to a stage where we have like good enough? The one has wireless microphones and wireless headphones.
Josh Janssen: [01:17:55] Yeah. I mean, the thing is
Hamish Blake: [01:17:57] it's five G going to solve that. Is this the internet of things. Now tell me you understand this stuff.
Josh Janssen: [01:18:02] I don't think so. I think that what will, the problem is sorry.
So with the road cast specifically, why that's such a good party is because it's all. Built in, it's all built in. Right. Whereas like with what we do, the Frankenstein stuff, this is the business we're in where it's like taking random bits and putting it together. Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:18:21] It's been like, it's like an episode of robot Wars.
Josh Janssen: [01:18:25] Well, well, this is what I, this is the next thing that I was talking to. Mr. about our producer is. Getting a Pelican case. And so I want to get to a point where I can drop you off a pallet. You open it up, you plug in the power and it's got lights. So it's got lights, it's got the camera, it's got a microphone, it's got a five G modem.
And so I don't have to say, Hey, plug in your internet, you open it up and you are remote. And we connect straight into it. We have remote desktop so we can control it all. That's where I think that, because the thing is like radio, like they're pretty slow. Like when it comes to like outside broadcast stuff, they use these really offensive.
Hamish Blake: [01:19:07] And in house mate, like you see so much of the stuff like maybe. Yeah. Any, anything you want to do? That's like you're roaming around, like in the early days, early days, I did a thing on the Fox breakfast show where I was controlled. This is a bit of, you know, this is a bit of stuff, time fly. Okay. Uh, I was control's called street bitch, and I just had to do whatever I had to wear any earpiece piece.
I think it was loosely based off. Yeah. The man show had the kid that they would like control to like say stuff to you. So there wasn't, it wasn't that young, but I was like 19 or 20 or something. And I had an ear pacing and I had to like get in a cab or like go in a lingerie store and say weird stuff.
And the actual dynamic, the actual, like, Um, like physics of how that works. Like the, the T the, the telemetry of how the system worked was I had a mobile phone, like an old, like those, I was like a Knockier that had a Nakia Jack coming out of it into this massive box that split it. Cause they, they wanted good audio too.
Well, they wanted better audio because it would have still just been coming through the fine line. I wasn't recording it locally. So they, this massive box split it into like an XLR for a microphone that I had to like put up my shirt to like clip on, to have a clearly wearing a lapel mic. And then I would, that would like hope that it was just not noticed.
And then an ear piece that ran into my ear. Cause they seen one on our hands free. They want it like on a better system than a hands free. And then we're a backpack to like, how's the whole thing into everything. When I have to have the backpack
Josh Janssen: [01:20:45] might just take your back pocket back
Hamish Blake: [01:20:49] Oh, so you get down on the seat and it goes like you wanna put it in the boot?
Nah, I'm all good. And just like the electronics is digging into my back and, but you know, that was, they were like, there's no other way to do this. That's how we have to do it. So they were like soldiering it like Andrea, that technician at Fox event when she was just like, like soldiering it in the workshop there to make it work.
So radio does have everywhere you look, there's like those made up in house solutions because they're very clever people, but they're just the technology doesn't exist.
Josh Janssen: [01:21:16] Yeah. And there's an, obviously there's just not scale, but now that everyone's doing a podcast, you can see the companies doing all of this sort of stuff like internet, for instance, like you talk about where you live and not having great internet we have in our office.
So there's a, there's an ISP that would like an internet service provider. What they'll do is they'll take a fiber connection. That's in those apartment blocks. So here I get at home, uh, 400 megabits up and down, like ridiculous speed. Right.
Hamish Blake: [01:21:45] Um, yeah. And
Josh Janssen: [01:21:47] thank you. That's all I wanted to say really, but I'll, I'll finish the story anyway.
So the, what they do is they take the buildings where there's fiber and, uh, they, they provide point to point internet. So at our office in Abbotsford, uh, we couldn't get NBN. And so what we have is a small little, uh, tower that. Is point to point with, uh, an apartment block that's 400 meters away that gets fired by them
Hamish Blake: [01:22:18] for their internet.
Josh Janssen: [01:22:19] So we get a hundred megabits up and down, uh, at our studio, which is good. But the problem is the thing that we're all talking about. Now. Not everyone, probably just me, but a latency. So it's like when you do a speed test, if you got a speed test.net,
Hamish Blake: [01:22:34] it gives you that the ping.
Josh Janssen: [01:22:35] Yes, the ping. You want the ping to be low and if the pings, so for instance, like we can have this great conversation.
This is what always annoys me about podcasts is where it's like, they don't spend the time to work out the tech. And so they're clenching their asshole, the whole show because they're worried that their Internet's gonna die or whatever it
Hamish Blake: [01:22:51] is. Yeah. And, and then you often notice the latency blows out the longer the connection is.
So toward the end of the conversation, you want more out of sync than you were at the start.
Josh Janssen: [01:23:01] Well, so that here's one other final tip, which I think you'll find interesting if you're recording video and audio. Uh, there's uh, if you try and sync the audio that you've recorded locally, like say I'm on your computer with a camera, a lot of people have this issue where it's like, you actually need to make sure that you set.
The sample. Right, right. You know, it's like 48 or 44.1.
Hamish Blake: [01:23:26] Yeah. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [01:23:27] So most people in radio, whatever they record at 44.1, if you record 44.1, which like garage band, all these different software, we'll do that as a standard. That's what they use in like sort of, they used with CDs back in the day. But what that means is 44,000.
Times a second. It's sampling the audio 48 K is 48,000. Right. And so what happens is video uses 48. And so if you try and sync video from an audio file, that sampling 44.1, you start to, yeah. You basically end up drifting out. And so you'll sync it at the start, like perfect. We're in sync and then you're an hour and you're like, Oh, I know.
We're out of six minutes out. Exactly. And so the big thing, this is something as, as people are doing more and more video, make sure if you are filming and you're using a camera that whatever you're recording on audio wise, you set it to 48 because
Hamish Blake: [01:24:24] you're right. I did find that interesting, but I'll be honest with you.
Why you were telling me there was a part of my brain. But I was just like, and this is why I've got Tim or whatever. This is why this is, this is the bit where I tend to Tim be like, did you know about this mate, mate, I'm not responsible for this. Or you just said it.
Josh Janssen: [01:24:39] Well, it's, it's, it's very easy. It's very, it's very easy,
Hamish Blake: [01:24:43] but it's very, it's donors to be my responsibility.
Josh Janssen: [01:24:45] Just unused zoom on your zoom recorder or whatever you're using your portable recorder just from now on. Switch it to 48, because it would just mean that you have less, less issues,
Hamish Blake: [01:24:56] but I will get someone to do it for me. Well, it's been, yeah, see, so yeah, this is, I'm not completely not that high mish anymore.
Josh Janssen: [01:25:03] Yeah, it was, it was very, it was really a, the engineers are loving it. The, um, the, uh, this weekend radio tech, one of my favorite podcasts where they have engineers from radio talking. About like the technical stuff.
Hamish Blake: [01:25:17] Wow. I mean, I know we've gone really, really long to fit today, which I've loved, but I wonder if anyone sees the length of this podcast and goes, Oh, wow.
I mean, it's gone long. I should jump to the end to see if like that's where all the good stuff is. If I just get this bit.
Josh Janssen: [01:25:32] Well, you would, you probably want, uh, you might remember the first time we ever did a podcast, we'd only just really met. And, um, uh, I was so excited to have you on Josh speaking. It was a, it was, this was 2013 or whatever.
And, um, uh, I was just crapping on as I am now. And, uh, I said, I'm just going to go piss. And then I'll come back and let's finish it. And you're like, Oh man, like I think my car's actually like, I've got, I've got to go. I've got to go. And so it went from maybe like, Hey man, I'm just pissed. Can I be back to that's the end of Josh?
Yeah. If you can at least give me the honors to say
Hamish Blake: [01:26:12] you guys I'm out.
Josh Janssen: [01:26:14] I'm out of time. I've got shit. You
Hamish Blake: [01:26:15] have to wrap it up. I've
Josh Janssen: [01:26:16] got, thank you for wearing the daily talk show hoodie as well. And that's yours. That's yours to keep. I mean, you must get . Yeah, it is. It's a S color. Good, um, good quality.
Hamish Blake: [01:26:28] That is true.
And I'm not an unlucky, I'm trying to just not, you know, I'm trying to like purge my wardrobe and I, but I will wear this and I will wear it, but there are some where people a lot, I mean, Cause he'll know, he'll know who he is. If he mentions this Brown, like ran into a dude that we used to. I know, sorry, you're trying to wrap me up, but quick, quick, last story about the jumper.
Josh Janssen: [01:26:48] Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:26:48] I've really, yeah. Sorry that ain't going to pay a second. So I, there was a guy that we all, we all, like years ago, I would say my, the thing that's that transitioned me from being like kind of 10 years of just, just. Darwinists like not fatness, but doughy, unfitness. There's no concept. It was real.
There's a bunch of like about eight of us that started boxing at this gym enrichment, which is sadly not there anymore. It was like this real old school gym called Leo berries. And we loved it. Like we were just like, It was like with floorboards and it was like an exercise museum sort of thing. Like it had those dumbbells that are like solid steel with the round bowl on the end, like, you know, strong bones, like the strong
Josh Janssen: [01:27:28] people sort of thing.
Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:27:29] Very good. Kind of like just lift up a cinder block kind of thing. And it was just all old school boxing stuff. So it was just like flip tires, hit him with sledgehammers, punched a heavy bag. That's it like, you know, it was just full of like sayings. Like, you know, there is a cost to like, you know, achieving greatness.
It's 100 barrels of sweat, like pay now
Josh Janssen: [01:27:46] Gold's gym in the States. What's the what? What's the big one.
Hamish Blake: [01:27:51] So we love this place. It was just like super dusty in the, in like the mats. Cause it was flowables and stuff like when you had to do like sit ups and AB work and stuff, the mats that they have with like the ones you remember from primary school, but are all like stacked up in a pile that's vinyl, mats and stuff.
So anyway, Loved it a lot, the China there that would sort of take us and he, it was good. It was fine. But the thing that drew us together was like the group and we loved the group and we loved how old school, the gym wants sort of thing. And so when it, when it kind of ended, like we'll flood off, we'll put in like a good kind of four years there and we'll fight off anyway, ran into the train the other day.
And he's like, mate, how's it going? You know? Yeah, I'm doing, it was training someone in the park and he was like, do you want, do you want to do a session? It's like, Oh man. I'm thank you. But, um, you know, honestly, like I just sort of, yeah, cause the last one, I can't like it doesn't work for me to have a trainer cause I got kids and it's really about, it's going, I've got 45 minutes right now.
I can do it like going next Thursday at 10. Just doesn't work. Oh, he's already got my, I've got, I've got a jumper for you. I'll go jump like a farmer got mermaid. And I was like, Oh, that's. I don't. Thank you, man. But I don't have my white hair. What size are you? What's that going to Zoe to like, yeah, mate, you don't need one.
I'm not
Josh Janssen: [01:29:04] trying to breed these nurses. As I like to think that a podcast is in the Mo like, it's, it's an easy sort of stretch to say
Hamish Blake: [01:29:13] where this jumper it's like, you've been on the show and as I've sure there's a reason to wear that. Particular fitness brands, jumper, because it's like, I train with this person and I'm happy to be an ambassador, but, but framing of being like, I've finally got them done, man, come on, come to the car, I've got a bunch for you.
Like you've got to like, and, and he was like, it's taken me ages to get him, but I've finally got them. I think it's not. The cell I'm looking for here. I have not became a web shop.
Josh Janssen: [01:29:42] Guys had to be honest in general, I feel like I fall into it where it's this, like, you'll notice that I put two stickers into the box or is technique.
It's got, I've got so many .
Hamish Blake: [01:29:53] It was just so much effort to get it. You're like now I've put all that effort in. I want to share it.
Josh Janssen: [01:29:59] You know, the, the, the thing that I wrote on it says the daily torture, like we spent so much on the, I didn't even, I was going to put it in an envelope. Like if we've got the daily torture
Hamish Blake: [01:30:08] envelope, that's a great touch.
Okay. But just saying to someone who is not associated with the show, Hey, I want you to wear, they jump up and I just had to send him a man. I'll be honest. I have a lot of jumpers. I have a lot of jumpers. I'm not trying to show off
Josh Janssen: [01:30:21] and we're getting into
Hamish Blake: [01:30:21] summer. We can, it's a low level of flex, but I have a lot of jumpers and this, I would just give this to charity.
So if you want them to have it, you should just give it to
Josh Janssen: [01:30:30] charity. That's really good that you, cause I feel like I'm, I'm very bad at sort of like the decline, like being able, I guess you would have to have gotten good at that. Cause I could imagine a bunch of businesses being like, mate, we've just given this thing for you.
Like it's funny. Uh, you know, like PR people that, you know, they'll send you some, it's like, yeah, you got this thing for like, we're going to give you this thing for free. And then it's also like, just any sense that you should have to post like
Hamish Blake: [01:30:56] Paul valuable. We are very clear on that from long ago where, like I, in fact, we went through Zoe and I, because it's usually handled by, sorry.
I know you have to piss
Josh Janssen: [01:31:06] was usually I'm actually don't need to I'm dehydrated. I've really absorbed it
Hamish Blake: [01:31:11] by like,
Josh Janssen: [01:31:11] Can I just quickly though, before you say this, you know how, like I was saying how good the Mount Franklin fizzy. So this is a mango one. The problem is this is just because you're on, you've got more clout.
So maybe, uh, who owns, who owns Mount Franklin? Whoever owns Mount Franklin. I think Coke guys. Can you make a bigger can for the mango? Because at the moment, this is, this is 250 mils. I can't stay hydrated on a 250 million,
Hamish Blake: [01:31:36] man. This is silly. We've done some stuff. We've done ads for those guys. Right?
Josh Janssen: [01:31:41] So I think three, they have the bigger ones.
They have the raspberry ones. I've got like a three 30, but yet my point is I definitely don't need to piss because I'm
Hamish Blake: [01:31:48] also, there's a raspberry. So there's raspberry and mango gets a two 50.
Josh Janssen: [01:31:51] Yeah. So this is the whole thing. I think that what they must do is it's like we're trialing this specific flavor.
And brave expression. So Brea rations. So because I went through 10 cans yesterday, which is way too, David Attenborough is pissed and I'm pissed at myself. Like that's too many cans
Hamish Blake: [01:32:08] just in your pants. That's like the liters of fizzy water.
Josh Janssen: [01:32:11] And so anyway, uh, What were you going to say?
Hamish Blake: [01:32:14] Oh, I know just on the, that there's like, there's like 10 kinds of companies that I guess manage it for people to just like send them stuff to go, you know, whatever.
Like, Hey, you know, these are some new shoes, like, Oh, we're a boutique wallet line. Or, you know, like, Hey, we're doing soaps. And like, there's a lot of reasons you get sick of a bit. I mean, you don't want to. You get sick of it. Cause like you didn't ask for this stuff and you didn't want this stuff.
Josh Janssen: [01:32:39] Yeah. You shouldn't be a minimalist.
There's like a lot of genets
Hamish Blake: [01:32:43] and it just, your whole house is like full of a giant box with straw packing and a card from them going. We thought you'd really be into these, you know, there's like three packs of dried sources. It's revolutionizing passing. Like if I want, like, you know, there's probably $8 of.
Of value in these sources here. There's a massive box. Like we're doing like five or six shoe box was worth of packing to send you this with the cellophane over the top of the hype of like, look at these new pastor sources. And it's just so it's like, there's tons of waste. It's so pointless. They're like, when did you ever think this would be like, Oh my God, thanks for the sources of marketing them.
Like, so we went through a thing a few years ago where we were like, They had to just go to try to say that all the PR agencies, like, I don't know, we're obviously on the list, please take us off the list. Like we're just checking this stuff out and we just got to get, like, we just want to be off the list.
So yeah. Thankfully, we're kind of a Felice things think through sometimes, but yeah, we're, we're off list,
Josh Janssen: [01:33:43] any good free thing, anything where you like that.
Hamish Blake: [01:33:45] And that's the other thing too often though, with central management and then we'd like go and, you know, they'll get, they'll be like, Hey, you got a bunch of stuff here and you go, there is, there's like nothing here so that I would have voluntarily gone.
I want that thing. There's stuff where you're like, why can't throw it that? Cause it's obviously has a use. So someone's like, here's some boots. You're like, well, they, they work as boots
Josh Janssen: [01:34:05] lock, picking thing could be good. Can you pick the lock within 30 seconds or is it gonna take you
Hamish Blake: [01:34:09] too long? No, I haven't learned that yet, but that's a great example.
That's something that I wanted. So I bought it and that's the other, that's the other way this can be like, Hey, if we want something, we probably just buy it. So please don't try and guess out of the 10 trillion things that you can possibly buy on earth, please send, try, and guess the few that we might want.
If we want them we'll buy it.
Josh Janssen: [01:34:27] What all also must be hard around like, uh, people who are like, Oh, you don't need to pay us for this. Like just the day to day shit. Okay. I could imagine like, Uh,
Hamish Blake: [01:34:38] not that much, but our policy is always happy to pay.
Josh Janssen: [01:34:40] Yeah.
Hamish Blake: [01:34:41] That's easier if someone it's always a weird thing, but if someone's like, you know, and no need to, um, cause it's just always like you see, you know, if it's a sort of like, well, I'm just trying to think of an example,
Josh Janssen: [01:34:53] like a restaurant.
I didn't like, so the one in our timelines ever happened where it was like, no way, like a PR is like, Hey, will you come to this restaurant? It was so clearly I also knew that the influence that I have. Uh, isn't there for this, like even for this meal like that I was getting, but just this weird thing of like, they bring food and then you finish up and then it's like, there's no bill.
Like, like I see a, like a part of the transition is you need to like pay and then you leave. There's something very weird about having this experience.
Hamish Blake: [01:35:25] And then I agree. I agree. And, and me and Ray had that. We, we made a, um, We did a video for there's a pizza place we'd love and Kotlin Coke hypotonic. And we know the gossip, if the best,
Josh Janssen: [01:35:40] honestly the best way.
Yeah. I think
Hamish Blake: [01:35:41] like the grandma's pie and it's honestly the best pizza. I think the best attain place in Melbourne love it. Just, you know, so good. They're like where we stand, we didn't do delivery. This is pre currencies. Like last year, they're like, we're going to do delivery. We need to pick up pizzas and stuff.
Like, you know, and they're like, We know that like, you know, cause we know you guys, would you be interested doing something we're like, yeah. So we thought of this sketch to film and we had a lot of fun making it and we're like, please don't pay us. And they're like, well, you can just have free pizza if you guys do that.
And I was like that to me, seems like. Worth more than way more than money. The idea that we can go to capital and eight for free would be incredible. And in that moment I got so excited. Cause it's like, this is my favorite restaurant. I can't believe we get to go here. And this is all I've ever dreamed of is
We did the thing. Then we suck on the restaurant. Then I feel terrible at the end of the meal, everything you order, it looks like you're being an asshole. Like as soon as you're like, actually we will get a pizza and it just looks like you're being a jerk because you know, you're getting afraid and
Josh Janssen: [01:36:45] painter.
Hamish Blake: [01:36:48] And so I was like, honey, this is. This is backfired because now I don't want to go because I don't want them thinking an asshole who's going here cause it's for free. And so then I rang the, I said, can I make a deal with you? I'm having a birthday party. Can I just get, um, could I please just get, you know, like title when he pizzas and then so much faster?
Well, that's how we finished. I'm done go back to pine because I don't like this awkwardness of just wandering out at the end of a meal. Uh, and we did, and it was an amazing grand party. Everyone loved pizzas, perfectly timed. That was great.
Josh Janssen: [01:37:24] Well, yeah, we'll convert converts from that. Like it's, it is delicious.
The square, like just the, just the actual, it's almost like a bread. Like, it feels like it's almost like a bread,
Hamish Blake: [01:37:34] bake it in the cheese. I mean, there's probably somehow there was probably two kilograms of cheese on an 800 grand pizza. It's undetermined. Terrific.
Josh Janssen: [01:37:42] Yeah, it's very good. Yeah, they do delivery.
It's definitely worth it.
Hamish Blake: [01:37:45] Uh, and their cocktails are great too. I mean, I'm off the system now, so, you know, this is a genuine endorsement. This is not just me. Trying to get more
Josh Janssen: [01:37:52] influencing is a weird spice. I wonder what, like surely influences won't feel like surely influencing will change. In regards to like, with everything that's happened with covert, like hospo surely we just all need to agree that like let's just post about businesses to support businesses.
Hamish Blake: [01:38:10] Yes. He is like, and those a huge advocate of this is like, if something's good, I will post I'll pay and I'll post because she's like, I'm in the position where I can, I made it to be this weird exchange to get like free. Shoes or whatever. I will just, she, I think she has a great policy and does a great job of like actively going.
These are good.
Josh Janssen: [01:38:31] These tiger like breeze, the marketing director of, Hey target. It's like people like, Oh, how did so post it's like, Oh, like there's no,
Hamish Blake: [01:38:40] yeah. Is what you should use the social media for. It'd be like, Hey. I assumed that if you're following me or you're aware of me, you B there's a chance you'd be interested to know what I think.
And he's something I think, I think it was great. I said that with something like a tourism Australia, like that he's a commercial deal, but it's just the reason you would do something like that or for us is to go. Yeah, but this is a thing that can only, you know, If we just started going, Hey, out of nowhere where we've decided we'll be ambassadors for tourism, it would be like, who told you?
You could be the ambassadors for tourism. So it felt more natural for us to be like, well, this is, that's why you'd take a deal like that. As opposed to, you know, all the other ones that come across the desk to be like, well, this is something we love and you will do. So I guess that kind of checks that box in that way.
Josh Janssen: [01:39:25] Did you do the ad pre COVID or was that a pain in the ass to do? How did that happen?
Hamish Blake: [01:39:30] We filmed an ad with me. And so just as COVID was hitting. So it was like people were wearing masks and stuff on set because initially the ad is, and will be again, one day it was us like in the Kimberley or like, you know, in all these cool places around Australia, that's what it was like suddenly we were meant to be filming that like in July and then it all slowed down.
So then they sort of reached out to go, okay, wouldn't actually, it feels a bit more appropriate to do an ad where, where. You know, like at home working and then I feel then there's like another ad. That's like a voice I've just made doing a voiceover, um, that I recorded in my bedroom on the Monday, um, to go there, I'd say, yeah, we were, we were doing that now.
And then as stuff opens up, we can actually get out there and keep making some stuff away, actually eat the cool places that you can go.
Josh Janssen: [01:40:16] Oh, great. Uh, thank you, Hamish Blake, uh, for people who are listening on the podcast, we record video for all of these. So they're all up on YouTube, but if you're watching on YouTube, you can subscribe the daily talk show on all the, uh, the podcast apps.
What podcasts app do, do you have a specific one that you use?
Hamish Blake: [01:40:33] Yeah, well, with podcast one podcasts, for sure. Well, I am going to answer truthfully and I use the Apple plug.
Josh Janssen: [01:40:43] It's easy, it's easier. And the thing is all the, all the podcasts, one podcasts are on Apple podcasts. You don't have to use
Hamish Blake: [01:40:49] all of that wherever you get your
Josh Janssen: [01:40:51] podcasts.
Exactly. Right. It's a daily talk show. Thank you. Hey, Ms. Blake subbing in for, for Tommy jacket and, uh, yeah, hopefully you get out of that room.
Hamish Blake: [01:41:07] See you, man.