#853 – Self-Defence & Status/
- September 15, 2020
We chat about Josh’s candle, Tommy’s internet and taking the NBN box, kidnapping your own children, self-defence and status.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Josh’s candle
- Tommy’s internet
- A Screenplay Sunday update
- Kidnapping and self-defence
- Parenting and status
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 853. What's happening? gronk? What's going on? 15th of September 2020. How are we?
I'm well, thank you. I, one of the gifts I got for my 30th from baray, which I got later in the day was a diptych candle, which is one of my favourite candles. And so I get to light lightest when I want. So it's in my home office. And the candle is grey have conditions about when you light it because you probably fair enough. Fair enough. I think that the feedback that Bray would give is that I give her a bad name in regards to the sort of household we have and she doesn't let me do anything and she's always nagging and also thing and it's actually not true.
might put a pig in a mansion and you get a fucking pig. So
I'd speak to her like No, I'm the peak. I get that. And so, yeah, I've got the candle, it feels very luxurious to have my own candle and not have to tend to my asshole. That breeze going to be like, hang on, is that candle being going for six fucking hours? Because it really meant for the whole thing.
You had the gronk that would turn it on and go into the other room.
I just thought Well, yeah, I want the I don't want the direct smell, but I want it to sort of flow through. You know,
I made a quick one on this day. On September 15 1997. Do you know what domain name was registered? Have a guess.
One of the guy.com
or up there, Google then. google.com that's pretty good. google.com while it
sounds very echoey your place Can you explain
it? Yes, I'm currently at an open home. No, I have moved out It is gone. Well, what hasn't gone? Well is the transfer of my internet. So tomorrow it gets installed. Yeah, at my new place, which means the old address gets cut off and the new address starts. It's active at it so I can then start broadcasting from my home. So currently, I'm at my empty house that I used to live at
any issues with getting the internet sorted.
Oh, I mean, I cannot believe that NBN haven't done some sort of campaign around, leave the box, leave the black box. The black box is what basically connects the NBN to your router. And so everyone thinks that the router, you take the black box which says NBN on you take which you don't. And so the amount of money that NBN would have had to spend because these black boxes don't work at any other address. Other than Then the address that they created for do you
think, though that the
so the question I have is is the landlord or the tenant paying paying for the for that box? no one pays here's the thing I reckon if you paid for it, you might sort of nice, I reckon because you don't pay for it. You're then like, now hang on what am I saying? There's no connection no stakeholder
right? So there's the same that's my fucking box connected to my house. And we paid for that as the owner and so yeah, don't take it so I guess
but if you if they made you pay and then you get your money back when you leave the box show and the next bit like that would make sense, but there's no sort of like you could easily just be OFAC. I'll just quickly clean up the house. I'll grab all of that shit.
So you're not having to pay anything to NBN to get nothing the It's okay,
so the lady had um, TPG internet like they said yes, it's Like, not written into our scripts yet.
Just write it just. I know you want to say it. But don't wait for the script. Just say have you left the box so we
get ready for screenplay Sunday
follows the script man, that's for sure. It's not some Mason job. Yeah. But no, no, it's all happening. It's all happening and we movie and it will be connected tomorrow. So it will be less echoey Sorry, guys.
Sounds good on the screenplay Sunday stuff. You're probably wanting an update.
So what's happening? On Sunday, I announced screenplay Sunday, I announced that it's our new podcast. It's in Apple podcast. Now you can go subscribe if you like. It's on Spotify as well. And I promised episode one Ryan Shelton and Matt D Avella.
Big Big cent always you'll find me you'll find me sort of scrambling to give another option or offering
and so on Sunday, I went out there and said this before I asked them and so then I was scrambling on Sunday to chat to them and see if we could make it happen. Yeah, so Ryan has said great idea. I mean, yes. So that's great. Still need to set it when tsutsu didn't write back. So I'm hoping that's all good. D Avella. He took about 24 hours drive back, but I get it because time difference and you know, busy guy doesn't spend too much time on his phone. Yeah. He He said he's on the final week of pitcher lock for his new netflix. daco Oh, wow. And so he's like, a tactic for the next two weeks? Yes, it could not and I can't because I said I'd be great to have nashawn as well. He said can I come on in a couple of weeks time. So we have d Avella and net for in a few weeks. Ryan Shelton for this Week pennisi he writes back. But I think that's that's astronomy. He said yes. So it's just Yeah, like locking in the time. Yeah. Great. So anyway, there's my update.
This is great. It's great by Sunday. Have we got a website yet?
Yeah. Probably just goes to a venture IP landing page or something.
Yeah, great. Now let's go about that. Good update. I've been watching something lately a bit of content around, kidnaps
seems dark, but it's actually not the this. I came across this guy, Tim Kennedy seems like a real patriot. I think he served over in the States. And so maszlee guy lives in Texas. has some young kids has a daughter, and he got his match to kidnapper. And the reason why. The reason why they were going to Europe for a holiday, and he needed to sort of get his young daughter in the headspace of This is what happens. But then I started watching like, real life like kids, people trying to kidnap and then people choking out the kidnappers for real, like, ridiculous thing. But then I was like, do you what do you think about getting your mate? So you Josh and Mason could. I'm teaching body self defence. And I'm saying this is a real threat. Okay. You watch yourself Bodie, because you may be kidnapped at some point.
Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. And so we could do. Yeah, I do like the idea. So what you're saying is, because they offered this as a service, and mainly on shokran did it in the city. So it was a whole kidnap experience. Oh, and so you'd have to wait on a corner. And then some masks do come in a van, grab you. And then fucking take you somewhere.
Do it. That's exactly right. And so the I mean, for an adult, that seems like it's your kink, and you're just paying some ghastly men to kidnap you Rough you
up a bit. I think Leon just likes to Skype firms and stuff.
But this one, this is like the video that I saw was these two big guys kidnapping this young girl and which, you know, the dad of the young girl was outside and he's like, okay, I've just got my mates. They've kidnapped my daughter. She's going to come out this door or in second, and I'm going to reveal and she's like, just limp while these guys are pulling around this door, and then he's like, hey, sweetheart. And she's like, Hi, dad. Like she looks like the faded like, Okay, you got mean. So this is my friend Brian. And given these my best mates. I was like, Oh my god, this is pretty full on parenting like to to scare your kid like that. Like, do you think I mean, you know the parent?
Yeah. I went on the internet.
But if I was the US professional parent over here, yeah. What do you think about that technique?
It's pretty horrendous isn't it? Sounds like the dad's a bit tweaked. But also like, our This is my best mate plan. But I wouldn't have met the best man. I can't. I'm getting into the weeds.
Yeah, yeah, but maybe it was a military friend that okay, merging the phone commerce. Who's the we got a job?
Yeah, if you're, if your mate contacted you and said, Hey, you do mine kidnapping My daughter is to teach her something about self defence. I don't think I would do it. You can't feel good. It's like I wonder if push comes to shove like if I like what it would take to like really like belt the shit out of someone? Like if I'm on the straight what it would like, how scared Do I have to be or how much do I need to be fearing? My own life or the life of people around me to fucking just crush someone's head with a baseball bat being the guy.
It's really dark thought but thanks for bringing it up. What do you think? It would have to be something like external to you like Bray like I think even if guys were coming at you, you would always be trying to sort of get a wire and you'd have an opportunity to just slog someone in this gone. you'd try and always get away. I think it's always Well, no, it's always better to kind of just like you do it was the bunt. That really sort of was a bundle. You know a bunch of either fucking a your bicycle guy.
Ah, yes. Yes. Are you talking baseball? Yes,
yes, yes, yes, this band is a batting technique in baseball. And softball to bump the batter loosely holds the bat in front of the home plate and initially taps the ball into play. You definitely be the bad guy.
imply that I just sort of give them a little hit and run.
Yeah, yeah. Because then they'd be like, oh, and then you'd be out of it. But if Bri was held down, yeah, I wouldn't put it past you. Like you're the kid. You're the guy you don't want to get into a fight with when you're a kid because you had no boundary like you wouldn't have meant to smash the baseball bat over the table. You saw you saw john Claude Van Damme roundhouse kick a guy in a movie and he thought that's how you meant to get out of the situation.
Well, I did famously have a fight with my own teammate on footy training. Yeah. Neil was being a bit of a bully. Yeah. So just full on punch on. It's not a good like, they definitely it's really sort of a lot of shame in that in the footy club when you have a punch on with your own teammate.
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. No. So, anyway, I am going to get Bodie into self defence. There is something about self defence that as much as it is there is violence involved. It is a respect for your capabilities. And so when you know how to choke someone out, you understand the consequences so you're not going to choke someone out. You know what I mean? Like
Yeah, well level like I've mentioned it before, I did level one self defence twice.
Just they didn't offer any higher at the school. And I
just thought okay, so it wasn't a fight wasn't the first person to fail. The unfillable test is good.
I'm trying to think like, a lot of it is just the practical stuff of like, you know, having keys with you like it, you know, I put them sort of, you know, if I'm going to say I'm in Abbotsford, and it's, yeah, 1030 at night, and I'm coming from the office or whatever, and you have your keys and your fist ready to, I can.
The only issue I see about any of those style of self defence techniques is that it's probably meaning that you've got a few other areas lacking. So if you know that you can, that like if you don't do it properly, you're in trouble then what they grab you, but do you know how to choke somebody? Do you know how to watch a ground game like?
Well, I think that if you look at it more sort of broadly, it shouldn't be necessarily always a physical like that it needs to be fixed. extremely practical. So the thing is you might have someone that's stronger than you bigger than you all of these types of things. And so it's using every, every element like I remember them being like, go for the nuts, like Kick, kick him in the nuts. Yeah. Which, you know, like the thing is if you're a you know, five foot you know, some smaller framed female and you've got some fucking you know, six foot plus big dude, ask you like saying, okay, you just need to choke like, learn how to choke him out.
No, no, no, I don't mean that. I don't mean that. It should be the the, the, the goto is usually of you can buy it. Exactly. And that's the whole on top of just understanding. It's like the person that's never done self defence but has case in their hand, or like even a weapon. It's like, if there is as much skill in being able to use that weapon, as there is in learning how to use No weapon.
Well yeah but I think that there is something in the there's the version which is getting into martial arts getting into like getting into form and all these different things and then there's the thing that will get you 80% there where it's like, yeah, self defence. Very practical. It's not like a sexy like, the thing is, there's nothing sexy about me. Like obviously it'd be much cooler if I could be like, yeah, fucking kick their skull in and I would you know, if I can make them unconscious by doing this, this and this. Yeah, but it's like, for a lot of people, the keys or those types of things would be the thing to be able to just like, because the thing is that attackers are these people, people as well. And so all you need to do disorientate them. So spraying in the face with something, if it is orientates them is actually going to be more effective than trying to be a hero and do like correct punches. You know,
now they put you at the point of half the self defence is to get away. It's like you're getting an opportunity. To run, you should always run. In fact fights. There's no use in getting in fights. You don't want to get in fights these days anyway. Too many people do martial arts. Like if you think you're a hero in a car yelling at somebody, it's a high chance that person knows kickboxing, or knows fucking Krav Maga or karate. I don't know, there's,
there's too many people to get back into it. Like if, if Bodie does where you'd be like one of the dads that are that are like taking classes assumption. Definitely I'd
love to he loves loves sort of wrestling around and sort of punted like he had a punch of boxing bag. I don't know. I'm just wary of educating him that that is the time to do it. It's not outside of this. It'll respect it. Respect the bag. Respected Right.
Yeah. I mean, I don't fit the thing is that I mean, this is where you and I are a little bit different because it's like there's a I push back on the conversation. I know there's there's gonna be so there's gonna be more people that resonate. with you then don't, but there is an alpha element to all of this, which sort of, I always push I push back on that sort of style alpha. There's like I think that like you always have like, if you're at the footy club or the bar sports are fuck don't mess with fucking wheel because Will's fucking black belt your belt the fucking shit out of any of the like, yeah,
that's external to the person though because anyone who is the black belt if you've spent years doing and to get your black belt, you're not you're not building people at all it is the you're actually not allowed. And so what you could say as you do, it'd be hard to continue just doing it for ego when it's painful. And you just like if your mission is to be the person that everyone fees, sure there is a bunch of those people, but then the person
doesn't need to be then self defence at all. So is that then reframing it into? This is the discipline This isn't about like even external forces or using on other people, it's about Yeah, understanding your physic physical awareness.
It's beyond self defence. That's why I'm like, when you say self defence, it's like what does that mean? self defence is that is the using whatever you've got around you to try and get out of a situation. Whereas martial arts is an art form where you're focusing on developing skills in a certain area and understanding how your body moves and how it all works. The mechanics of a move or like so this is important, right? So if you if you're framing it to body like this is so that you can get out of this stuff or salutely Yeah, versus
back and see how it's an easy one to Yeah, to fall into where it's this like big sort of chest beating, exercise of like, because I get the appeal. It's like, as humans, we want to be with the physically fit. Like you want to beat like, you know, when you're younger or whatever, having mates. You know, like when I was in Five to the 21st being able to say Daniel, my mate who's a kickboxer and taking Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, like the bad. Yeah,
you have the people that probably end up getting into those situations, not you, but like the, the fights. The ones like the people who are probably fighting most are the ones who don't know how to fight. And because there's a confidence in when you have the understanding that your ability is probably beyond most, you're probably not wanting to go out there and prove it. You're like, I'm comfortable. And I'm not worried about
the did you do all these things that you're talking about? Like the training and stuff when you were a kid?
Yeah, I did. I did solid, Muay Thai training for it because
I was like I was away. I mean, outside of fighting my brothers, I was in the one sort of thing on a 21st, which I was more punched at rather than if you count how many fights you were in. versus I was in you were in a lot more physical fights. And so what does that tell you? If you're talking about the training and saying that if you, if you train and you're physically ready, you're less likely to get into a fight?
Yeah, I reckon I reckon it was probably the age that I got into it. That was, I reckon if I got into it younger, I would have been less likely to think I could use it on the streets. And so when I did you, when I did learn how to fight, there were there was it was at a time that I was pretty fucking wild. And I was probably more up for a good old straight fight.
So do you think intention why like so that's why I think like intentions are an important element. So it's like, if you are a guy who like sees the value in being physical, or it's like, I need to, you know, be prepared because I'm going to act like I need to be able to sort of defend myself. Yeah. there's a there's an element of it, where it's like, there's the utility of, I've got a walk from here to my car, you know, making sure that you're safe. And then there's thinking about it as this tool that your ways have. And I think that like, it's interesting, because I think they're so used in the right way. They'd be self esteem type stuff. I don't know if they teach it. I don't know if they teach around, like, you know, like combining that with a book like nonviolent communication, like combining that extreme with the other one, which is like, are the best that like, in in a lot of circumstances, it's like, how do you try and avoid getting into a situation where you would need to belt the shit out of someone?
Yeah, yeah. 100% I think discipline. So it is that you need to have discipline to stick at it. And it is a discipline that you you practice. And for the for that reason it does get you towards it is like a practice that you're sort of you're involved in. So once you sort of deep in the discipline, it brings a whole lot of other things even though you're not reading a book like non verbal, you know, what
nonviolent communication isn't this physical.
But so you're like, you're, there's a change in your body. There's a change in your mindset, if anything, it's like, understanding your mind a bit more. And this is what like karate and she like these sort of Asian practices where they're focusing on breathing and mindset and meditation. It's, it's a good concoction, but I think you're getting into it younger and understanding that it's that it's not just about fighting or self defence, it's a it's a, it's a it's a discipline that if you stick at it, you can get better And you can understand how the body works.
It's interesting because like so much whether we like it or not so much of parenting and looking at what we want for our kids and things like that comes down to status. So think about like the opposite. So that version for me, I think about if I had a kid I would want them to be like coding and doing things like that and being and so really, why do I want that? It's because we think we want the best for our kids. And then there's an element of but but then there is the part of it, which is like, you want to put them into the best position to be high status when they're older. Right? Don't you think that that's like there isn't there's an element where like, what sort of parent is not wanting that, like you're trying to put as many
Yeah, I know, but what about like the emphasis on meditation is that trying to get get Good to be high status. Like there are I know what you're saying. There are probably some natural things that are geared towards status. But there are also lessons that you understand later in life that would just help someone's ability to navigate their existence. And so things like meditation, my push that Bodie understands and he, you even ask him, he's, he recited to me this meditation the other day, I was like, What the fuck is that? That's good. Tell me again, the focus on the body. bring your attention to like and he says,
like status like doing stuff for status is not bad to anything, right? Like you wouldn't like everything could be applied to some sort of level. But I think that it's interesting how from an environment perspective, we all see status slightly differently, or we all sort of for me, if I think about, like, what I'm impressed by You know, book smarts or like being, like that type of thing. Versus there is like, I think that you and I have sort of, in some ways polar opposites in what we sort of value in people but then we also have these connectors to right so it's like the, the the hybrid, the person who is booksmart. mindful. And then physical understands their physical body is sort of seen as this sort of like, the ultimate right. And then you've got like, so I feel like,
it's statuses within different cultures and so and so, and that's where status isn't just rich and poor, you know, fit and unfit. It's like, status is someone who managed to get out of living in commission home homes because I grew up there and That could be but but then that's just one area. And so that's where, I don't know, I don't I don't know how many people think about status, like you do in terms of just existing and looking around and thinking about it,
what's the influence? So for instance, like, what does it take to convince someone of something so when you have a business status is so important, because you need to convince someone that you know enough shit, you know enough of what you're doing. You make them comfortable enough that they're like, Oh, come on this journey, right? Like I feel like I'm influenced in that very sort of specific thing and then it comes down like then status does play a massive element in it. even look at working in invito when a how someone like kahless, who, you know founder, co founder of invito And, you know, worked there for 13 years, he's finishing up at the end of the year of CEO. And I think about how much status is in what he does. And then I think about like, not in the sense of like, flashy. He's not a flashy guy. But there's so like, the things that get said is it's like, calluses, the smile, always like the smartest guy in the room like this, that and I just see how status isn't this thing we like talking about. But it's the thing that we constantly use all the time. Right? Like, why did why? Why do we have a podcast? So
it could be for money? Surely not exactly. She'd like to call it
that. But if you think about it, it's like there is the there's the element where we say, we want to connect with people and we want to do all those sorts of things.
Hmm. But if you realise that if you play status game, there's a lot of ego involved in that.
Now. I think if you think that it's like I think you are delusional. If you think that most things that like it's not playing status games, we are all if you if you if you go out and interact with someone, like that is all status
and yeah, I get I get but if my point of like being focused on raising your status as versus doing something getting great at it.
Do you want to? Do you want to make more money in two years time than what you may making now?
Yeah, but I don't think that's due to wanting to raise my status.
Why is that?
That's about understanding the limitations of what my existence now is and what I want to do for my family. So you can see status isn't external, but you I know what you're saying. But all I'm saying is there's a difference between playing, playing, aiming to raise your status for external validation outside Have your own needs. And so to become CEO of a company to make all those fuckwits at school know that you're actually a bola. So is a different that's an ego driven status play, versus I need to feed my family, and I don't want to live in this anymore. And the status, rising status and so it's not ego driven status rising
now but I think that the I think that's the I'm trying to think of the the name of the book, but I, I was I was reading a little bit I'm trying to remember what it was called. But it was it was all about this sort of stuff around specifically like our actual intentions. And so, what I'm saying is status isn't bad. status is something that we all inherently have.
Whether you like it or not, yeah,
and not only that, but like so the CEO thing is a very obvious Standard, like, it's probably not even a good example. Right. But when, when someone does something for a charity, that is that is a status symbol like that is doing something that is based on status.
So whether you've added or not what about
Yeah, so the thing is that if if you not being not talking about it, and just and this is the thing, like, I think that the criticism that people would have is it's like, well, where the fuck do you go like, but I think that that is based on that status is a bad thing. And so there's like wanting to give wanting to give back wanting to do all of that sort of thing. That is status. That is saying, I have enough. And now I want to use the status that I have to do all do these different things. And by doing those different things, you then gain more status. Hmm,
it's like I think like recompete where it sort of gets a bit missed is when people when status seems like the observed from outside of the internal. And so because you're looking at status, all the lights on the lights off for status I'm viewing it's an external viewing, whereas you're saying it's like a, if you're looking internally to the status,
influence, like it is a tool for influence as well. So if you want to do good in the world, you need status, because you need to be able to influence people. And so whether it's physical, or whether it's financial law, that sort of thing. Like, I think that there is a risk in being like, I'm not playing a status game. If you've ever posted on social media, you are entering into status. You're saying, I'm posting this thing and I want people to like it. If you don't, why are you posting it? Like what like what's the the reason why like you know and there's there's a little bit of cynicism in this but why do we like other people's stuff? We like other people's stuff because what's going on and you're getting this is nice onsen giving me a buddy Cole on the thing I was I was gonna yell at you then I thought was you
Yeah, why do we like other people's stuff right on Instagram? We would say we like other people's stuff because we like it I don't know. But is there a part of you that likes someone's post? Because you want the same back that we all have this unspoken rule that we're all going to fucking like each that like why do you like the things on my post like on my on my stuff
or in practice sheets if I don't like
definitely do gay so the thing and so the thing is that Yeah, I guess like it's not
a so there's uncommon Just status plays that we're all making.
It's exactly and so the thing is I don't think we've got this nine o'clock meeting so we're good to go. Yeah, I don't think that there's anything wrong with all this kind of stuff anyway, it's a daily talk show. What do you know I think the height the daily talk show calm as a status thing we would love for you to post on Instagram about us. Oh, anyway, it
would make our day.
I Thanks everyone. Enjoyed. I love you guys. Bye.