#849 – Life In Your 20s/
- September 11, 2020
We chat about importing Pop Tarts, what Josh’s 20s have been like, friendships, self development, and helping others.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Our Fat Fridays order
- Importing Pop Tarts
- Josh’s last few days in his 20s
- Josh’s career
- Personal life in your 20s
- Self development and helping others
- Achieving in your 30s
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 849. Tommy jacket, happy fat Fridays gronk. What's happening? What's going on? How are we? Very good. What What are you? What do you have for fat Fridays?
Well, I go to this bakery. Quite a bit, just a coffee. And there is something in there that like, I've built a story in my mind about what it will taste like. I don't know if it will taste like that. But today's the day we find out. It's a Swiss or brioche that's huge. says it's a Swiss brioche. It's um,
isn't it or something on it?
Yeah, it's got chocolate. glazed now it's chocolate. Look at Let me open it. Hi, Josh. Oh my god.
Did you kill alligator for today to that? No.
It seems like to say,
it's just like folded over be almost like if you had a long roll that was softer than you folded into. It looks like a LIKE It looks like a prop. It looks better than I think it will taste. That's what I
read, you know, like Aladdin stealing. Yeah. Like it looks like it's from sort of Disney film.
It's either a rotten roll that's been left out or it's a really sweet trait, and you
wouldn't like that. Oh, it's very washed inside. So it's a golden outs exterior, and then brioche but I would have thought the brioche would have been Yeah, I think a brioche I think like yellow would be a little bit.
Well, I think you're thinking of like a burger bun. That can be a bit sort of glaze on the top. It um, or it's the butter coming through. It's good. But look, I'm glad I haven't bought this previous one. You know, when you just like think something's gonna be amazing. This isn't that amazing, but it's good. It's a It's okay. But that's what we do on Fridays we we try the ship and I probably won't try it again. Try something else.
I didn't actually end up getting through the Pops pop tart story the other day.
So you wanted to import
Yeah. But you'd never had popped out I'd never had a pop tart. No. And so I contacted USI foods got to that bit they do like importing of different products. They didn't have it. And I ended up contacting Kellogg's who were the the time they were there. I think there's probably still are there were the owners of pop tarts. And what I found out was there was an issue with importing because Pop Tarts have gelatin in them. Because gelatin is like a, like an animal hoof. Yes, exactly. Who Who And yeah, so that's why they weren't able to actually import them. And so anyway, I ended up finding, like a dodgy shop in the city that did sell them after all of that, like I spent weeks just like you know, talking about it trying to work things out like is I was meant to be running a video production like I was 19 years old you know, out of school meant to be running a video production business living from
the highest highest quality Pop Tarts meanwhile my 19 year old to try to source the highest quality cocaine
and so I yeah, I I finally found some in the city had them and I was like, I don't know what the fuss is all about didn't really
just replace replace Pop Tarts with ecstasy or cocaine and you've got the same story, man. It's not all it's cracked, cracked up to be literal. quick update on another update. Pop Tarts is a brand of toaster pastries that Kellogg company introduced in 1964. If you're taught calling that a pastry, you have a distorted view of what pastries are I think I think a French person would be disgusted that you call that a pastry show. Pop Tarts have a sugary fill filling sealed inside two layers of thin rectangular pastry crust. Okay, so they're getting away with it because it's crust of pastry. But when that doesn't, it's the one that seems like it's off. It's off world. It's an off World Food, right?
Well, if you look at especially breakfasts in America in general, it's pretty outrageous the stuff we went to I hop when he lightened, we went to not, didn't we, but the breakfasts that they have there. They really shouldn't be classed Class does not even breakfast but desserts like it's too sweet for dessert sometimes.
Yeah, no. And you can put blueberry syrup on everything. Yeah, I mean it is when you're just wanting to let loose but if that's just your daily diet, it's it could It's It's troublesome. It's real troublesome. Hey, there's only three days left. That's including today three days left of your 20s Yeah. Is there anything you want to do in the next three days? That you haven't done?
It maybe I should try cocaine for the first time. First time trying cocaine in ice Oh, dude after eight o'clock can't leave the house.
is a there's actually some comedian where it's like some petition to get him to take coke. Really? It's the most bizarre thing but it's all it's a running joke. Anyway. I don't suggest it. Okay, you probably can't get it right now.
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? What am I missing out on in my 20s? What should I be doing?
Very, very limited to this time but is there anything like let's just spend the next 10 looking back on your 20s and just, you know, reel off a few things that you're proud of. In your 20s Yeah, and then a few things that you didn't do we were you think you would be by now, but you're not. Okay sure to start positive and
that's how we like to do things. By the way, I've got a bagel coming. Just for that. Okay. playing at home about what I'm eating. Now. It does look good. You should have put butter on it. But anyway,
So 20s travel, did a lot of travel. So very grateful for that. worked at some great companies. That was great. Started. A couple of businesses. That was great.
Yeah, what? How many businesses What have you had? So 20 what business did you have? And then sorry, through your career, okay 20
from the 20 Well, So Josh Janssen productions was registered when I was 15 or 14 nine months I got like the the business registration or whatever, but my proper first business I feel like this, like, when you think about like, what does it mean to have a proper business right? Having staff and having like, actually, like, paying myself super chill like that. This is my first BIG MEDIA COMPANY is my first proper business in that respect and having people outside of myself that need to, to worry about, but no, I was showing him throwing early, early 20s I had to media flex my business, but I was a bit half assed into it. So at the same time as doing that, I was picking up some level of employment here and there and then At 2021 22 that was when I worked at FIFA angels as a digital content producer, and was there for a year before going on to invito, which is a tech company. And then six months after being involved with the tech company, I got to do this world trip where I went to 12 countries in 90 days, and we went to m&a filmed all of this great stuff. So that was probably, if I look at my 20s that was definitely a highlight. Yeah, and then going out on my own, when, like in my sort of late 20s. So when I was like 2026, or whatever, and starting full stack films. I think that was probably another pivotal moment because I was like, more serious of like, this is going to be a proper thing. And then well, the decision
was made over an 80% hot chocolate.
Oh, yeah, that was true. Yeah. Yeah, well, so you and you and I were would would probably would never hang out before we had worked on a project in what 2008 or 2009 and had sort of cross paths or whatever, but never really had conversations in person. And then yeah, you it would have been January of 2016. Yeah, you, you said you facebooked me and said, Hey, I'm fucking over this radio job that I can't. I'm gonna go out on my own. I want to start doing video production. I know that this is stuff that you sort of do. Could we just have a chat? Just like I'm sure you said pick. Pick your brains. Yeah. And so, so we, we went to, we walked up to it was I was working in Envato at the time, we walked to brioche by Philip Which is like a sort of in a cc shop that has like pastries and stuff. I got an 85% hot chocolate. Do you remember what you got? And I can't remember, I wouldn't go to coffee and probably
judge the fuck out of here.
So I got my 85% hot chocolate. And then we walked back. And we went into Envato. They have a great courtyard there in the middle of the city, but they've got the sick courtyard. And we sat and it was like, you know, January, so it's summer, it's warm. probably could have gotten a nice, hot chocolate, ice chocolate, but whatever. And you and I had a conversation, whilst I remember, someone from Invesco had just bought a drone. And so they were That's right, the courtyard flying the drone around. That's great. And so anyway, you said to me, you're like, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna start my own thing. Bah, bah, blah. And after that conversation, it was I spoke to you and then I spoke to make damn wickman who was doing his own thing and I was like, Man, I'm telling all these people you have doing your own things. The best thing you should be doing bla bla bla. Thank you. Bruce Fraser has just brought it a jalapeno. jalapeno and cheese bagel. So that's what I'm having for fat Fridays from office, which is on Smith Street. A great, great cafe and we did pay for this very same size from office. But we didn't pay for it. But offices right? That right?
He's telling all these people Yeah,
yeah, tell you all these people do think I'm like fuck it. I should too, because at the time I had bought in October or sorry, September of 2015. So sort of six months or you know, whatever it was four or five months before you and I spoke, I impulse bought an $18,000 camera on my credit card and decided I wanted to go to the Philippines and do a documentary film on fireworks. Because my fellow mate said it was a good story. And so I had done that in there filmed it and all that sort of thing. And I had just released on New Year's Eve, had released the document the short documentary called goodbye Philippines, which has over 200,000 views on YouTube now, which is around Yeah, I should be in Harare now. So
yeah, so you forgot to turn monetization?
Exactly. Yeah. No monetization. And so anyway, after speaking to you, I was like, man, I fucking This is what I love. I love doing this stuff. And so I think it's probably it was less than 10 days later, I would have quit inverter which was a hard thing because I was there for for two and a half years, it was an epic place to work. Like, I got to do such cool shit. And so that was sort of my 20s. And then you we found each other and started doing more things together. Yeah. You know, we travelled around Australia for DFO Insider, which was your, your client? And, yeah, we filmed all of that sort of stuff, which was fun. And then yeah, started doing the podcast.
Hmm. And then the back end, the 20s have disappeared. Yeah,
now I feel like I'm 45 with the information from a cold shower just to feel like I'm living you know.
It's the opposite of soldiering at you somehow, if I can throw wrap from the cold.
I wish like last night, I was like, Fuck, I didn't ride the bike today. Just gonna stand in the cold shower that will that will do the same thing. You know, and you sort of do for a second, you know? Yeah, I've been wanting why 20s do you think you know,
a word or sad? Yes,
yes. But I think work is closely tied in with your passions and, and the people around you and your journey with Brave 10 years like, yeah, that's your 20s right. Brady's been there that whole time. So her career has progressed and what about
like, how do you go on?
How do you go put like what is personal for you outside of work in a laboratory to work and the travel thing, like,
so much of everything I've ever done has been related to work. It always happens. I mean, even when Bree and I had our epic trip like a year and a half ago, two years ago or whatever, went away for three and a bit months, Europe and all that my gum, the daily talk show, still felt like a big part of what we When we were in Europe, we're racing around trying to find you know, SIM cards for like 4g. Someone we're on a Greek island, I can can still do my podcast, you know, with with my mate that no one was really listening to. So Funny, isn't it? Yeah. It's so funny.
So you got your 20s your the things you do personally, what about the friendships that you've had? Over that time? Who's, who's been there? At the start of your 20s? Where have they gone? And now like, what have you learned about friendships in your 20s? Because I think 20s and your adult is, is really the entrance to adulthood. At 18 you've just left school and you're feeling still like a kid. I reckon. I did. took me years.
I think it's your What have I learned? I mean, yeah, that's where break comes in. Right? Like I think that Bree and I have been that sort of, it's that consistency from from a friendship perspective. But then also, I think I've been quite good at create, like, making friends in my 20s that makes it like, I think that like a lot of that you think about all the people that I'm closest to. It's like, I didn't know I didn't know until my till my 20s nice on you know, my my that was sort of like what 2324 I also feel like I don't have like, my friendships aren't really my age group I've never like it's always like you think about like, 90 Mr. 97 you know being 20 but then you've got like, fucking love scooter. scooter Derek or Yeah, I guess like that peach peach shepherds my age. But yeah, I think, um, yeah, what if I What if I learnt from a friendship perspective? I think that I think I'm pretty open. I think I'm pretty open to making friends. I think so it normally ends up landing related to what you're working on or what you're doing and so your friendship group comes you know, you GB Jess saves, like it's all you know, and then you think about like the gronk staff yeah no but you did like think about the Gemma we didn't we like I didn't know Gemma. Yeah two years ago or Pete like there's so many examples of, of of that.
I think there's a lot of people that probably struggle to make friends in their older age I had a client, older age many just adulthood like this and finding friends as adults can be a different ballgame to developing friendships as a kid. I one of my clients, who was my brother's best mate, used to train with me when I was personal training and he said, Man, I don't want any more for it. I don't need any more. Like he I think he had Have an aversion to making friends as an adult because he didn't want to have to invest that emotional labour
and suddenly go through those things like I think I've gone through that I've gone through times where my I'm actually done I'm closing shop for a bit not not taking any friend requests, none of that sort of thing. I think maybe I'm even doing that like if you think about it, I think that you when you and I started the podcast there was a year and a half where it was just like you and I like I wasn't really seeing other people.
Now in relationships,
do you think like, Yeah, I definitely Evan flow between like, what I want more, it's like, abundance friends. And the other thing too is I feel like in those times when I do open myself up in regards to friendships, I am such an open book and I make friends like Tony, Tony Lodge is a great example for my one trick Tony, her and I've been My great friends, FaceTime, most days, love chatting. And so I'm very like, I'm open to friends when I am open to friendships, I feel like I create really deep friendships. But then I go through times, I'm like, can't be fucked. Not gonna really talk to many people. But the good thing is that in like, people know that I'm there if they need me, and vice versa, I know that they're there. And then it's like you with conspiracy, Jimmy? It's like you can have a few months or whatever of not chatting. And then when you start talking, because it's, it's like the same.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the the history of all those years development of friendship that allows that which is great,
because it drops off though, like you do. That is a consideration, right? where it's like, do you have moments like what happened to that person? Well, man, I remember when I was like spending or the other thing is I'm workplace friends. Like friends that you have that work, like I used to always think like, it's funny how sometimes convenience is a big part of friendship. So if you're just like, at an office, use become friends with everyone at the office. But then when you leave, you might stay in contact with two or three or whatever it is. But then, yeah, it's very strange that you bumped like imagine you with, say, radio, think about how many deep connections you would have at the radio station, where it's like you had really intimate conversations or really big moments, but then you'd bump into them at the shopping centre. It's sort of like, it's like, recreating the old like sort of this speaking to a stranger that you're also very familiar with.
Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's like space from the thinker girl. Yeah, it's, we had a unique experience of life together that was doing a breakfast radio show where you are the unique friendship where you Very close talking about like even just the the push to get to people to converse the the ultimate goal there is form connection rapport and entertain and inform and so just that combination definitely
no one put butter on that
cheeses tonight I bet
you so so it is like a I was gonna say like a relationship but it is like elements of a relationship where you getting quite close you know through your words and like connecting and caring and listening and all of that stuff so that they I think that's why work relationships can feel like that because you spend a lot of time together. You probably spend more time than you do with you your real besties you know got those from when you're young or and then you could travel with work your dog These things and so it is, um, it is cool, but I think it's, as you get older, maybe you get to categorise or just understand where these types of relationships sits and how you work. What have you learned about yourself in terms of like, you know, that's me, like if you get to identify with self, and you're like, you understand your traits, your quirks and you like, that's my, huh?
What do you think it's like?
Yeah, what is it? It's I mean, there's a level of there's a disconnect between where we're always where I want to be what I want to be sort of where I want to be personally, versus where I am, as in the, you know, procrastination, all of these things are just like, so cemented into me, but I know that but i think that that's why self development is really important to me. Like I think that Probably, I'm always like, I could be doing more I could fucking have the second brain should be fucking working by now I should be like, and so I think that I'm someone who isn't necessarily that unique or that sort of talented, but I think that I might pretty I've gotten pretty good at just like, fucking a ball like trying and then trying again and so I think that it seems like the shit hot thing in 2020 to talk or like probably last year like failure, right? Like it's the success is like you know an equation based on failure or whatever they say it's like I think that I am someone who is completely fine with failing. And so I think that potentially the shift for me 20s to 30s I think like 20s I've gotten to do a lot of like, I think especially when you're in it so you start to reflect Um, wow, look at all the shit that I have gotten to do. And so I think that for me, it's and not bringing that in not wanting to have kids, I think that it gives another capacity and I think for me that capacity is in helping other people like how do they like how, especially because like, I it's funny, I am a client, I was talking to a client the other day and they said something and they said, I wish you would have gone to a private school. And it was like it was a funny thing. I was like, Oh, no, no, I just went to I sort of wanted to I sort of go self deprecating in those moments because I'm like what it like because I understand that you hear the stories that when I was a kid I remember my mom saying yeah, this person like because I went to like a public school or whatever you know, just in the burbs. I remember mom saying are us so and so's husband will only hire people if they've been to prison. At school, it's just like a fucking water wangka type of thing. Right. And but the So the interesting thing is, I think I've definitely felt in my 20s, and Brees felt the same way is that we've been in these meetings or conversations with people and you've realised that the experience that other people have had is so different to the experience that you've had. And so I think for me, I have never felt necessarily that not that I belong, but just like, it feels like I've hacked my way to be where I am, if that makes sense. So the French the friendships that I have or the the people that I know and all that sort of thing. People just assume that I grew up in you know, that they just like your circles, right like that people assume that's like, are you you went to did you go to school with TJ or whatever it is, and I think there's obviously like the residual effect. I'm gaining from that. But yeah, I think that the the thing that I want to do is it's like, help some of the people who would like haven't necessarily had the network or that haven't had that specific experience and being like, actually, let's just go on, like enthusiasm. And then like in like, you can almost like if you find people, they're enthusiastic, they can be fucking great. And so I think that, that I feel the responsibility where it's like, helping helping people who was just like, you know, they, my parents weren't in the media or anything, you know, like, you hear the story. Like, you look at people who are really successful, and I fall into like, the comparison thing. And then you're like, Oh, it's a fucking different story. That dude that's like, was on set at the age of five because he's dad was a director, like everyone's got their version.
But I definitely think Richard Jensen should be a political comment.
It was right next bolt but the does that does that make sense? Like design? Yeah and
no but this is the shit that you come to terms with and it can take 30 years before you really like this is the story I've been telling this is what I've reconciled with it and how I deal with it and what I'm comfortable with and what I'm into. What what what brings the most fulfilment to me like the helping other people, it's like, these are all great things that take a bunch of time and navigation to work out. And, and the thing about life is that sometimes it just takes time. Yeah, and, and time is finite. And so you're ticking away, but it's like, it's like the people that make it a quote later in life. You know, it's like, you can make it in any type of way whether it be becoming the person you know, you want to be in living the life in Norfolk in becoming a celebrity or building a business or having effect, like, all these things are versions of making it, but it's, yeah, you're right comparison is the thief of feeling in the moment and being able to enjoy the moment.
Yeah, and I think that it's like, and it's working out what, you know, like in business that you talk about, like, competitive what's your competitive advantage? And I think that a lot of people see the, you know, their, how they were brought up or where they lived or you know, whatever it is, as a mark against their name to actually make it work. But I think that my perspective on those things have really shifted to be a we don't like I remember a specific moment being in Los Angeles with them nice and we were at a cafe and have this realisation so we've just been two fucking years. We'd been filming at YouTube, it was sick. And I was like, in a cafe. And I was listening to the conversations around around me, this was like 20 2015. And every conversation was about content, and like making it and like the project they're working on. And I think in the moment, I was like, Oh, this is sick, like fucking this, everyone's doing like, this is like, this is this is my world that have this other moment. And it was like after when I got home where I was like this so many people who are in Los Angeles or that are in these like key hubs that are all vying for the same thing. And there's just this sort of like a marjani that happens where everyone becomes the same same ideas, same thinking, same backdrops for films, same actors. And so what I like is here, yeah, we like it is a much smaller market when it comes to entertainment, podcasting, whatever it is. But like, that's our, that's our unique selling prop that is like, that's our competitive advantage. That's the that's the reason why we can innovate and create in like, we would just like we wouldn't look any different to anyone else in ally and would be telling ally stories or whatever it is where it's like, we can at least bring in some of those new things. And I think so. Part of it is just extending that where it's like, how do we how do we try and it's working out the things that you thought that were your, um, the marks against your name. They're actually the things that make you unique. Definitely.
And what about one thing you want to achieve it In your 30s it could be something big, something small, something personal.
Yeah, I think it's like
I love the idea of like having the team that's developed. And that it's it sort of works like you want it. I think I want to create something that's not like that something that's way bigger than me that is feeding a bunch of other people that's like they have their life and all that sort of thing and they can be fulfilled. And so like, yeah, I think from an achievement perspective, it's being able to watch other people around me succeed, if that makes sense.
Mm hmm. It's good.
It's selfless. But also for yourself.
Yeah, but also there's like so much I can't remember what it was it was a book where it's like there's like ego and all of these things right so like there's no Yeah, like there's ego and me wanting to be some sort of fucking puppeteer or whatever that's fucking making all these things happen and you know, like a lot of pain
though for you. If there's a lot of like a selfless act doesn't mean that doesn't there's no impact for you if anything, there will be pain because you're trying to he can just be me. Yeah, you can you're looking to help others that help I mean, this is selfless fucking acts make you feel good. And so there is always a version of give back to, to receive, but it's
also like diminishing I think there's like diminishing returns in regards to what I can do for myself personally, if that makes sense. It's like when I was a kid, I wanted to like live. I want to live in the CBD. Now. I had no fucking idea but back then, but like, just like, you want to be fucking in the city like in like amongst it like having an apartment. Yeah, growing up in the suburbs, having an apartment seemed like, like a rich thing to do, right? Like if you had, if you're an apartment life, you're just like fat can live in that life and apartment. To me that was like, a bit sexy a bit cool. And so in some ways, it's like I feel that like brain I've gotten to do all the things I've wanted to do with like, living comfortably, all that sort of thing. And so then it's like, okay, let's, let's do all that because I know that by helping other people with all of that sort of stuff. There's like an element of it does take, like, the selfish thing is a takes, there's a level of level of pressure. Because I think that like from a strategic perspective. I'm pretty good at like, strategy and then unlocking things for people and working out how all the stuff is. I think for me personally struggle to do all of that, and then execute like always being able to execute on the ideas. It's just the scale perspective. And so by having a broader group of people, where everyone's executing, everyone's doing their thing, that's why I love like the network that we're building. It's like Tony's kicking goals Teles kicking goals, Jess is smashing it, services fuckin doing so many things in the back end that people haven't even seen yet. jeebies developing creatively all the time. And then even you with like, all the systems and processes like I remember two years ago, saying, Let's use Asana or let's use this project management thing. I remember bringing it up on the screen like, I just fucking Google Docs is working Josh, I don't want another fucking thing, right? But now it's like, you come to me. It's like, I found this new thing have created this fucking thing. This is like how we're going to do it. And so that's cool.
Yeah, I love it. I love it. Alright, happy fat Fridays.
Thank you. Say my bag when I haven't had any event.
This might be the last episode I might be So, so congested
I won't exist.
What happened like I wonder? Let's see. Yeah, over over flamed. What does that mean?
That can be? I don't know.
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